Karmelo Anthony Verdict Willie D and Attorney Dennis Spurling Get Into HEATED DEBATE

[00:00:00]How you doing YouTube family? Today is Wednesday, June the 10th, 2026. It's your man Big D, and I'm back with another one.

[00:00:11]Want to thank all you good folk out there in YouTube land for continuing to rock out with my son and I. We greatly appreciate it.

[00:00:20]Thank you. Well, family, I am back with another video.

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[00:00:28]This video is going to be very, very intense.

[00:00:34]So, we are going to be reacting to a video uh where my man Willard D and um the good brother attorney Dennis Sperling are going back and forth about the whole the whole uh Carmelo Anthony situation.

[00:00:54]Now, we all know that Carmelo Anthony was found guilty.

[00:01:02]And when this thing first initially happened, I, you know, looked at it and from my, you know, previous um career field based on that, I'm like, man, you know, I just don't see how he has enough to prove that he was in fear for his life, in fear of his safety. So much so that he had to use a level of force that was not proportional to the level of of force that was um inflicted upon him.

[00:01:37]But throughout this whole situation and with this whole trial, black folks have been up in arms. And if any black folks said, "Nah, you know, nah, that Camello, I don't know, man. He he he I don't know if he if he was justified in what he did, man. Black folks was losing their mind, saying, you know, a you sell out. You you just siding with them white folks." No, it's not side with the white folks. You siding with the law and what the law says.

[00:02:10]So, we are going to I'm g this video is going to be a good demonstration of what I'm talking about because some people they just don't care what the law says. Now, I give you a good example. Now, my man Willie D, man.

[00:02:27]Love Will D. Grew up on his music. Good brother, good dude. But Willie D is just Willy D is just he got a love for uh for the black community. He is pro black and no matter what the law says, Willie D just cannot wrap his head around the fact that this white dude un which was not warranted. I'm not saying that um the uh the the the white the young man, you know, uh I think his name is uh Austin. I'm not I'm not saying that he was and what he did was right because it wasn't.

[00:03:05]But the fact that this white dude just pushed Carmelo and then Carmelo, you know, reacted with a level of force that was not proportionate to the level of force that was inflicted upon him. Man, you know, that's just it's no way you can get around that. But Willie, Willie, my man Willie D going, he going to try he going to try to um dispute uh uh attorney uh Sperling down and attorney Sperling had to stand his ground and say, you know, basically, brother, I I I I I love the fact that you're passionate, but this are the elements of the crime and based on the elements of the crime, this is you either have it or you don't.

[00:03:50]There's no gray area. It's just it's just not not in matters like this. But family, let's go ahead on and um check out this video and watch these two uh two uh good brothers go back and forth and talk about this whole uh this whole Carmelo Anthony trial and then the verdict.

[00:04:09]>> I send if I send my son to a track meet on a Saturday morning here in Texas, I don't expect him to come home in a body bag.

[00:04:20]If on the flip side, if I send my son to attract me, I don't expect to get a call from the jail a couple hours after he leave home telling me he done caught a murder charge. So, we have to all agree that this is this is this is this is extraordinary. And I don't mean that in a good sense. I mean this is unheard of.

[00:04:43]This is not normal. You see, and now we have to sit back and try to figure out, well, what happened?

[00:04:50]Okay, and and when I go back to the facts of the case, Austin didn't have a gun. Austin didn't have a knife. Carmelo wasn't being stomped out. He wasn't being beaten unconscious. Okay? This was a teenage confrontation under a tent.

[00:05:04]This is schoolyard fight and somebody popped up dead. You see, and and and see, I'm I'm from a different generation, man. you run up on me, you going to get the you you going to put hands on me, I'm going to put hands on you. But I know well enough to know that e even in in in some of the worst situations I've been in growing up in LA, man, if I'm in a circle, I'm in the circle. I'm going to get my respect.

[00:05:26]Now, of course, you know, I'm a grown man now and I have responsibilities, but I'm not going to pull out a a a blade or a pistol just cuz I'm getting whooped on or cuz I'm scared. I'mma come from the shoulders. I'm going to do what I got to do to protect myself and I'm going to get my respect and and and and God willing, you know, I'mma make them realize don't ever mess with that dude again. But under no circumstances I'm not going to pull out a knife and stab somebody, man. And see and see here's the problem, Willie D. I'm a lawyer, but I'm also a father. You see, and and and and I I I understand there's a racial dynamic associated with this. I get that part because see if the if the situation was reversed, >> see Willie D, if it was 110 pound black boy, >> we wouldn't be here.

[00:06:12]>> Yeah. I mean, we might have be here, but it wouldn't be this controversial. I I'm with you on that.

[00:06:17]>> If if the if the situation was reversed, we wouldn't even be here because the first thing would have happened, they would have said, "Well, how did it start? What did it what happened? Who started it?" Oh. So, so you trying to tell me if the 200 pound black boy had not approached the 150 pound white boy that >> this would have never happened. He wouldn't be dead. So, keep your hands to yourself. I'm in these comments all the time. I don't all day every day. And that's see when it come to bullying and people putting their hands on people.

[00:06:49]Even when women put their hands on men, people collectively say, "Well, you she shouldn't have hit him. She hit him first." and and it don't matter what he did to her after that. They say which did him first. What do you think? What do you think was the most compelling argument for or the effective argument for the defense that uh created some reasonable doubt?

[00:07:12]>> Uh I think the fact that he was sitting there minding his business the whole time.

[00:07:18]Uh that they were able to prove that Austin Metaf put hands on him first.

[00:07:23]uh that he was invited there by the friend who, you know, denounced him as a friend. And that's another thing, and I don't want to get off on a tangent. It seems to me, and I know they had 21 witnesses, I get that. Or 20 witnesses, but it seems to me like people are trying to distance themselves from Carmelo Anthony. And the reason that they're trying to do that is because in that community, they all have to live there. Okay? The the the the judges got to live there. The jury's got to live there. They got to go back into that very same community. And they don't want to be the jurors who uh acquitted this young man. And I'm not I'm only saying what I'm saying, okay? People don't leave their biases at the courthouse door when they walk in. They're still they still have their strongly held beliefs, which includes their religion, their race, their perspective on life.

[00:08:15]And that's why I go back to the fact that um you know had the roles been reversed, right? And you had a little white boy sitting there minding his business and some big black kid came and put hands on him and they would say, "Well, where was he supposed to go out in the raintorm?" They would be, you know, people be making excuses for him.

[00:08:33]All right? They'll be telling the what does that boy say? The black kid, you know, the guy up in Tennessee, they just saying he's impinging out. You see what I'm saying? That's what they would have said. They would have made every excuse why this black boy deserved it. I get that. Okay. But that's not the scenario that we have here. You don't get the benefit of the doubt if you're a black person in America. And that has a lot to do with the racial cast system. And we can go into 4 500 years of history and science and religion and how it's been used to castigate black people in our image. I get that. Okay. But in this particular situation, man, um you know, and and and that goes to a larger thing that black people are often vilified for defending themselves. And I'm going to say that, but that's just true. But the bottom line in this particular case, when we just sterilize this and we look at the law, when we just look at the law, where was the where was the deadly force justified in this altercation?

[00:09:31]If you were sitting on that jury, what would be the single biggest question you still want answered before reaching a verdict? [sighs and gasps] >> If I was sitting on the jury, I'm I'm I'm going to read the jury charges.

[00:09:47]I'm going to I'm I want to know because if you don't tell me well what I really want to know is the difference between manslaughter and murder because I'm going to be hurt putting this boy in jail for 20 years and if there's any way I can you know man you know manslaughter is that available but then when I look at the actual charge I'm going to say well where was the where was the need for deadly force and so you slide right back into murder.

[00:10:17]Did either side, >> huh?

[00:10:20]>> Did either side make a mistake in your opinion that that could have swayed the jury one way or the other? Did they make a mistake? A key mistake? Something that was blaring?

[00:10:30]>> I don't want to.

[00:10:33]Well, yeah. I would say the B the the all-white jury when when the prosecutors struck the last three black uh school teachers on on permpary exceptions on the grounds that uh they were educators and they didn't want them involved because what that does is it allows for a an appeal of the conviction and that doesn't mean that Carmelo Anthony won't get convicted. What it means is there's grounds for a new trial. That's what that means. But the bats and it was too obvious. You you have three jurors left and you strike all three for primary char. That lets me know that you didn't want them there. Even though you said it was for non-racial reasons. You said it was because they were educators and they might know something that you know that that that a normal uh member of the the community wouldn't know, but it looks to me like it was a black issue. And so because of that, I would say that opens up uh grounds for appeal. And the defendant the defense preserved that right on the record. That that that's what I that's what I see. Uh that was the glaring mistake on the prosecutor's part.

[00:11:42]>> In all of your years in being a lawyer, have you and watching your daddy try cases, have you ever seen >> a white person be judged by an all black jury?

[00:11:57]>> [laughter] >> No, I haven't. Man, that doesn't mean it's not happening. [laughter] >> I'm just saying like I just I just believe that, you know, if you look at history, I don't think if you look at history, >> throughout history, all white jurors have proven themselves mostly to be in incapable of giving a black person a fair shot. you know, uh, almost all almost 100% of the time, uh, they are going to ride for the white person, whether that white person is a victim or a, uh, defendant. They are going, >> yeah, >> I'mma have to push back. I'mma go ahead and finish. I'm push back on you. Go ahead. I'mma push back. Okay. My dad and I had a case in Dallas and it was all white jury and uh our our our client at and I don't like criminal cases. Let me just tell y'all everybody who's do not call me if you've been involved in a criminal matter. I don't like them. I have a disdain for them largely because I watch my dad go in and out of court for years and I just don't like the cases. I don't want to deal with it. Um, you know, and I just don't like I don't like dealing with the criminal justice system, whether it's the defendant or the prosecutor, because I already know if I'm a prosecutor, I'm going to try to put everybody in prison. And if I'm a defendant, I'm not going to like the fact that I have to defend people that I don't like. I I'm just saying. And I know they have everybody has a right to a defense. I get that. But my dad and I had an all white jury in Dallas and they acquitted our client and it was some really horrendous issues. Basically, uh, it was county court. Dallas has had to be probably shoot 2006 or 2007. A gentleman had been accused of assaulting his former uh wife. So she came over to pick up her last alimony check and he gave it to him, put in her hand and he said that's the judge said that's the last one. So she kept banging on the door, throwing rocks at the door. So he opened up the door and said, "Hey, get away from here." And so what she end up doing is trying to rush in. So he pushed her out, closed the door, and she immediately called the police on him, saying that he was the one who who hit her and assaulted. And of course, if that happens, the police going to just arrest you, put you in jail, and they'll let the judge sort it out. But we were able to prove with this all-white jury that our client was innocent. The the the ex-wife had end up calling trying to make a insurance claim and all sorts of stuff and recording and you know, and so we were able to prove that. We had another case here in Harris County and uh uh my um our client who had other charges. In other words, they had just brought him from the back room. He was in jail already. Uh but they said that he had done something to this other guy. It was assault family violence. But um you know, we were able to get the alleged victim's son to testify against the daddy on behalf of our client. And the jury and and the jury said, "Well, you know, we don't know what's going to happen, but the bottom line is and we were able to get an acquitt on that one." So, those were two all-white juries in two different places in Texas.

[00:15:14]So, you can get justice, >> but those are probably the only two that happened that year. [laughter] say, >> "Yeah, I I feel you, man. And I understand why, you know, because of the relationship that that black people have with the criminal justice system here in the United States. I understand I understand why we feel that way. But I've seen personally, not just with myself and with my father, but but you you have to I mean, and but if we just go, this ain't that case, man. In my opinion, this case with this Carmelo Anthony child, this ain't that case.

[00:15:54]This is this is a different case.

[00:15:56]Willie, look, man. Let let me let me share you a daddy. I'm a daddy. Okay?

[00:16:02]>> Um, what I'm going to say to my children behind closed doors if something like this happens is not what I'm going to tell them in public. in public. I'm going to say, you know, my son is innocent until proven guilty. I'm going to say he had a right to defend himself.

[00:16:22]I'm going to say all these different things behind closed doors, Willie D.

[00:16:28]I'm going to say, you big dummy. Why would you pull a knife out and stab somebody just because they pushed you?

[00:16:34]Have you lost your mind? Are you crazy?

[00:16:37]This is what I'm gonna say to my son behind closed doors. behind closed doors. I'm g say, "Bro, I'mma tell you, look, you you pull out a pisto you pull out a knife to stab somebody because they pushed your goofy butt, have you lost your mind? Now we got to pay for defense lawyers. You ruined your life, okay? Because you you still going to have this charge. If you ever do any if you happen to get off of this, anything you ever do in your life again, they going to hold it against you. On top of that, you got a body. I'm raising you in the suburbs to be the best person you can be. You go you go to a track meet and you analyze somebody. We not in the hood no more. What what what got you so upset that you felt the need to whip out a pill? You can't fight. You you can't defend yourself. This is what you do.

[00:17:21]You just go straight from he pushed me to I'm stabbing somebody to death. Think about that, man. I mean, as a father >> and see family, let me tell you what.

[00:17:31]Attorney Sperling hit a nail right on the damn head.

[00:17:35]He not raising his boys to be emotional.

[00:17:38]And the problem is that these young men nowadays, they just don't have very good control of their emotions. And something as small as a push, it's nowhere in the world it should have escalated to this.

[00:17:53]And I I I just I don't understand how this whole thing transpire. I mean, I could see how it I could see how it got kicked off. Um, the young man Carmelo Anthony uh was in and you know, it was raining.

[00:18:14]He went up under um the opposing um school opposing team's uh uh tent and basically he um he probably I mean from what I understand there was some there was some uh some uh [ __ ] talking going back and forth and you know you know white dude uh um Austin you know went and pushed Carmelo and boom it went from there. So it it it just my thing is why did it have to come to this though?

[00:18:44]Because I know back in my day, man, you ain't you you you know, you just you just going to have to knuckle it up. It ain't no going to go grabbing no pistol or no knives and no no this or that. But it just seems like nowadays the the first thing people want to do is go is is go grab a weapon.

[00:19:06]And that's just not that's just not the way it should be.

[00:19:12]As a father, respectfully, I have to say that I am going to air on the side of defending yourself by any means necessary. I got to think about my son being pushed around by some 225 pound kid. Now, if it's a kid about his size and he get pushed, man, fight the dude.

[00:19:35]But if you got this guy walking up to you in Frisco in in Frisco, Texas, okay, this is Frisco, Texas, where where where it's predominantly white and ruled by white folks. Everything is run by them and you've seen already these cases of white people pushing black folks around and you see it all day, every day on the internet. Now it's your turn. Now somebody then decided that they want to push my son around and they want to try him. This big guy come up to my son and push my son and he got backup. My son is scared if he pull out a knife and stick him. I'm gonna stand with my I'm not going to tell him why' you do that. Why?

[00:20:20]No, he feared for his life. If I fear FOR MY LIFE, THAT'S WHY I wanted to tell you earlier when you was saying you wouldn't you would have just fought. I'm gonna tell you, if I fear for my life, man, look here, man. I'm going to defend it with everything I got. And yeah, I will stick you. I'll stick you. Let me tell you something, bro. I'll shoot you.

[00:20:39]I'll stick you. I'll hit you with a stick. I'll bite you. I'll claw. I'll kick you. I'll do bow your ass. I'll do anything I can to get you off me. And so, uh, yeah, I'm I I I wouldn't I wouldn't be uh uh I wouldn't admonish my son for doing that. Like I would I would I would hate that he took those measures. He had to take that that type of drastic measure. I'd hate that he had to take a life and he got that on his mind. He got that on his record. I hate the fact that he's going have to go through all of this stuff and he putting us through it also. But I'd have to be understanding that he feared for his life. And if he fear for his life and he take a drastic measure like stabbing somebody, I'd have to I'd be I'd have to be understanding of that. No, I don't know, Willard D. cuz you know, we got to look at the we got to look at the broad picture. It's not like this dude, it's not like, you know, this occurred in some um some some, you know, some hood, some bike, some bike alley in the hood late at night. uh or or you in some uh um combat zone. And man, it was it it was just no, I just don't think that it it should have arose to this level of of of uh of of force. It was just not proportional. And to sit up and say that, well, okay, this white dude pushed my son. And I mean, hey, listen, I get it. They they say they say um awesome mad cap they say he was you know he was a football player. He was a pretty big dude. I mean he was probably about you know 225. But I mean my thing is if I don't I don't know um the exact uh weight and size of um of the young man um Carmelo Anthony. But I mean I I would have to say I done seen some dudes uh Carmelo Anthony size putting on some dudes um Osa Metaf size. So to sit up and say oh it's such a huge um size difference. I don't I don't know because I' I've seen it both ways. But here's the thing.

[00:22:56]you you just I just don't I just don't know where the fear of of of imminent um death.

[00:23:08]Where did it come at? I I just don't know. I mean, what else happened? Did was there other weapons involved? Did um the other boys have weapons? Was they stomping him to sleep? what made him feel like his life was under so much um um threat of being taken that he had to he had to resort to to to pretty much using deadly force. I I I just don't understand and and listen, I I I wasn't there. I don't I don't we don't we can't speak to this young man's state of mind on the day that this took place, but I would be hardressed to believe that he felt from a mere push that he felt like, man, this guy, oh, he's man pushed me. Oh, he trying to kill me.

[00:23:59]I just I just don't I just it would be hard for me to grasp that. And I think this was more or less one of them things, you know, hey, don't put your hands on me. Oh. Oh, you gonna put your hands on me anyway after I done told you not to? Let you know, I'm have to show you something. That's what I think happened here. And unfortunately, it is sad because two young men who had so much promise pretty much done lost their lives. I heard the um those uh the um the Medaf boys or the brothers they was they they supposed to be bullies or whatnot.

[00:24:41]I don't know. Maybe maybe they maybe they were bullies or maybe they you know maybe they did bully people. I don't know. But man, you know, you tell me what school what time frame what period of of of time in history that ain't never been no school bully. Sometimes sometimes you know I I done you know the school bully have to get it and I done seen some people put it on the school bully. So there's always been school bullies and it always been people putting it on the school bullies. So we as men, we got to do better and we have to do better at controlling our um our emotions and just going from from zero to 100.

[00:25:26]Really and truly for something that really and truly it don't amount to what you what you are making it out to be. It just if if if you escalate things and you make a mountain out of a molehill, the outcome is probably not going to be good. Especially when you talking about dealing with with two with two males.

[00:25:52]>> And bro, I respect that. But that's why Carmelo's in in in prison, right? That's why you going to go to prison for 20 years.

[00:25:58]>> I But I understand exactly what you're saying. But at the same time, man, you know, like, you know, if we look at history, black people defending themselves.

[00:26:10]Um, a lot of these same arguments have been made throughout the years and that is why our progress has been so slow. We are quick to not fight back, to not stand up for ourselves. And whereas other people when they stand up for themselves and they fight for they they fight they typically get things to go their way. I do believe that black people the one of the reasons why our progress has been so slow is because we always well not always but you know invariably we just decide I'm scared I don't want to go to jail you know I don't want to go to jail but it's funny to me that we have no trepidation whatsoever about having that type of aggression towards each other >> it's only when we're dealing with white folks primarily and others. Do we have that hesitation? And so my thing is that man, I don't care who you is. I don't care what your skin color is. I don't care what you do for a living. If I feel my life is in danger, I got to protect myself. And I would I would want my son to do the exact same thing.

[00:27:21]>> Now, Willie and Willard D, I'mma say it respectfully. Respectfully. And if you are ever in a situation where a guy hypothetically pushes you and you result a deadly force, uh, will you probably going to wind up probably going to wind up catching the case and it ain't going it ain't and and and you know, trial ain't going to go your way. I I mean, I I I I I listen, I respect what Willard D is saying, and I agree. Nobody shouldn't be going around putting their hands on folk um and touching on folk. I agree a thousand%.

[00:28:02]But at the same time, your response cuz I cuz in in a previous conversation that uh Willard D and um attorney Sperland had uh Willard D made the the uh the point that you know you can't you push me. Okay. Yeah, it's just a push, but you don't get to determine how I respond to that push. So, basically, he was saying, if you push me, you can't determine that my response shouldn't be, okay, I'mma grab a knife and I'mma stick you. That's what Willard D argument had. Um, that's what that's what he opposed as as as an argument.

[00:28:44]And like attorney Sperling said, man, no, I got to disagree because if we have that thought process, man, we we will become a society of animals. We are we are not too far from it. Even with the laws that are in place, people are still basically taking other uh folks lives um without no without no uh thought of the consequence of anything. So even even with you, you know that it's a likelihood that your ass going to get locked up and caged up for a good part of your life, if not the rest of your life, and you still go out there and you do dumbish. That just tells you something.

[00:29:29]That just tells you something.

[00:29:32]So at the end of the day, you you that man, listen, I tell people all the time, there are two criminal justice systems.

[00:29:41]It's the criminal justice system for people that look like me, and it's a another criminal justice system for people that don't look like me. Now, let me explain something.

[00:29:54]Understand this. I done seen it both ways. I done I done seen white folks go to prison for a long time. Look what's going on with the uh the white dude Chug the Builder. He go around he he uh antagonize black folk and he want to get a rise out of them so he could uh uh uh do what he always bragged about. Well, look what happened. He exactly what he always talked about on his little YouTube channel happened and look what's going on. them white folks throwing a book at him.

[00:30:28]So that's a thing that that that that's that's a thing about that old criminal justice system. And no matter how you want to shape it up, unfortunately when it come to uh the matters of the system, who really running this system, the criminal justice system, that system, the government system. Listen, man, it's it's is it's mainly the majority is uh it's white folks.

[00:30:57]It's white folks. They pretty much in charge. They running it. So they going to determine who going to get wet laid.

[00:31:05]Basically that's what happened with Ch the Builder. Listen, he white and look like his ass f to get he f to get bent over with no Vaseline. So to sit up and say, "Oh, well you know um you know it got railroad. Look what happened with with the dude um the um the Asian dude Mr. Child in South Carolina." Listen, he had a he had he had it was it was all uh black folks on his jury and they they found him not guilty.

[00:31:36]So to sit up and say, "Well, you know, uh the the criminal justice system is so uh is so uh twisted that white all white all white folks walking free." No, that ain't true. No, that ain't true. I done seen I I done seen not only white folks walk free, I done seen black folks walk free from crimes and they was damn well guilty. They lawyer just got them off and it just so happened that the universe just was on their side. They got off and they guilty as a days as long they still walked.

[00:32:11]So my my my suggestion is don't get caught up in the clutches of the criminal justice system because if you do, you pretty much going to be washed. You pretty much you are going to be washed.

[00:32:29]Especially if if if it's something that's if it's a cra you got some crazy crazy charge, you got some crazy felony.

[00:32:39]Any felony is bad, but man, this some felonies, man, they take the cake.

[00:32:46]>> I'mma push back a little bit. We have defended ourselves there. We we've had the the the the the deacons of defense back in the 1960s over in Louisiana.

[00:32:58]>> I'm talking about respectfully, I'm talking about to where as defending ourselves is code. Defending ourselves is automatic. And I mean all of us, it's automatic that we defend ourselves. It's automatic that if you put your hands on one of them, oh, it's gonna be hell to pay the captain every single time. Not not every now and then.

[00:33:22]>> Yeah. I don't have a problem with us defending ourselves. But what I do have a problem is bringing a knife to a fist fight. And that's the that's the crux of my argument. At what point do we say, "Hey, look, you can't bring extraordinary force to an ordinary altercation. You just can't do it because that's out of >> I agree with that." But how does he know that it's just going to be a regular fist fight when he's surrounded by these other guys when he when he and this guy is so much bigger than him? Ain't nobody f to just sit there and if they got a weapon, ain't nobody gonna sit there and just let somebody beat them down if they got a weapon. I ain't gonna let nobody beat me down. I ain't gonna let no big ass dude beat me down. I get that. But all he did was push him at that point.

[00:34:03]It was just a push.

[00:34:05]>> It was it it it was a forcable push.

[00:34:09]>> It was a forcable push. He picked him up and jacked him up like a football player. Both of these boys play football. You telling me that Austin uh uh uh that that that Carmelo Anthony never playing football? He never been pushed like that before?

[00:34:22]>> This is this is one of the questions I would have wanted to know. If I'm a juror, why did Austin and his brother Hunter get suspended from school?

[00:34:32]>> Cuz they were as they were [ __ ] >> Why were they suspended from school?

[00:34:36]>> Cuz they were bullies and they they weren't bullies.

[00:34:39]>> Who else did they put hands on? See what I'm saying? You know, >> from what I understand, they had a reputation for bullying. They had a reputation for being bullies.

[00:34:48]>> Yes.

[00:34:49]>> His brother Hunter is not innocent in all of this either. And I believe that's one of the reasons why he didn't take the stand.

[00:34:56]>> I absolutely agree >> and his statements have been inconsistent.

[00:35:01]>> Now, let me let me phrase it like this.

[00:35:03]I absolutely agree that they had a reputation for being bullies. That's how the jury how would you care if somebody asked what is the what is the reput what is the character of the deceased in in what do you know him in the community?

[00:35:16]He has a reputation for being a bully.

[00:35:19]Okay, we can concede that. But the question still goes back to was deadly force necessary in this altercation, not in his past interactions because he doesn't have a reputation of killing people in the past or pulling out knives in this situation where he put hands on Carmelo Anthony was Carmelo Anthony was did did did was it reasonable for him to believe that deadly force was being used against him or or or force sufficient to to cause serious bodily harm? mind is saying they didn't know each other. So, how could he say? And he didn't he didn't take the stand anyway. So, we'll never know. He didn't come up there and testify as to his mindset. And I get why you don't want to put your stand. You don't want to put your client up there if he may do harm under cross-examination to your case. But the bottom line is we still got to go back to was this level of of of of response necessary? And I don't see it being there. And I don't think that the evidence is not saying it was there.

[00:36:21]>> Well, how much weight do you think that uh juries put on witness credibility versus physical evidence?

[00:36:31]>> Man, it depends. I've heard cases where client they this is why you never really know what a jury is going to do. And this is why people take they they take a plea because you never know. It's people who've been innocent, no physical evidence, all circumstantial evidence, and they still get a guilty plea. Then you got people, they they got the bloody knife, uh a body, the the three kilos of dope, two guns, >> and they get quiddle. You see what I'm saying? So, you never know what a jury of 12 is going to do. You you just don't want to put yourself in that position because you never know what a jury is going to do. You can you can hypothesize, you can theorize, you can kind of guess, but you don't know.

[00:37:18]There's a situation that happened in one of the local counties. I don't even want to talk about it. I'm not going to even mention the county, but I'll say near Houston, they let somebody who admitted essaying a child, the jury found him not guilty >> because they said it just they didn't believe the cop.

[00:37:35]So, and you would think with a crime that heinous that they would say, "Nah, you going anyway." So, you never really know. I think the whole situation is tragic. I don't like it. I don't like talking about it. Only reason I'm talking about it because you asked me to talk about it, Willie D., you know, reason I'm here talking about it. But, uh, when I look at this situation, we got a lost life. We got more racial turmoil. We got we got we got we got a young black man whose life is [clears throat] on the line. more likely he going to lose his youth, man. He He's going He not going to go to prom. He didn't go to prom. The boy probably never been with a woman. You see what I mean? He going to be in there with them savages and animals for the next 20 years. You see what I mean? And you know how that is. I mean, we all heard the stories. You going to be in there and you going to get acclimated to that life and you going to get out as you gonna be 40 years old almost behind.

[00:38:30]>> So, family, what did y'all think about that? That was a very intense conversation that they was having. And if you go over to Willard D's uh Willard D's channel, um they even have a even more heated conversation uh when it when the whole verdict was announced. But family fight is is that people all, you know, they say, "Oh, well, Carmemella Anthony didn't get a fair shake because they dismissed a couple jurors that was uh that was that was black and it was a all-white trial and a all-white jury. But then you got attorney uh Sperling pretty much said that he's he's defended uh a client and with a all-white jury and that all-white juror found his client not not guilty. So what we have to understand is this.

[00:39:31]There's nowhere where it says that that uh that that that if you get caught up in something, you get caught up in the clutches of the criminal justice system, there's no way or no way, shape, form, or fashion that you should expect that the juror of your peers are going to be the same color as you. There's no there's no guarantee of that. The only thing the uh the American legal system uh guarantees is that you are you supposedly they they should be unbiased citizens who represent a fair cross-section of the community where the trial takes place. And you and I both know and like attorney Sperland said, man, them people that's sitting up there that's determining your fate, them white folks, they might be racist, they might be racist as a days of Islam.

[00:40:27]They might be biased, you know? So why even take a chance with your freedom?

[00:40:38]Why even push the envelope and even tamper with your freedom unless it is absolutely necessary? And there are times when it is absolutely necessary where you legally can stand your ground.

[00:40:51]But like attorney Sperling said, you can't you you you can't make um how do you put it? and an extraordinary um outcome with out of ordinary circumstances or h how whatever however he termed it. Um but basically you can't you can't take something you can't take a a molehill and then make it into a mountain.

[00:41:20]You're making a mountain out of a molehill. And that's what happened here.

[00:41:25]Carmelo should have jumped up and done one of two things. He should have like all right cool. All right, you want to you want to get these it's going to be just me. You ain't nobody else jumping in. He should have squared off. He should have did what he had to do. He should have threw them hands because at the end of the day, even even if um the white dude would have would have uh would have whooped him. That's fine. But guess what though, hey, that's all right. But every time you put your hands on me, it we going to go at it as long as you let them know that you won't have these problems. But at some point, you cannot you cannot go so far as to use deadly force when it's not warranted. And unfortunately, that's what this young man did. He he let his he let his um the the the just his feelings in the moment get the best of him. And now we we just have a tragedy.

[00:42:28]But family, what y'all think about this whole Carmelo um Anthony thing? Y'all do y'all think it was a fair trial? Do y'all think that uh the jury got it wrong or you know he had a right to stand his ground and although um the uh Austin Medaf may have been you know had a little bit of size on him, you think that it was okay to uh for uh the young man Carmelo Anthony to to to go at um Metaf with a knife based on a push? What y'all think? Y'all think it was it was Y'all think it's something that was reasonable?

[00:43:12]Well, family, always remember, be more tomorrow than you were yesterday. Peace.