Spider-Man MCU History MAJOR CHANGE by the Russo Brothers! | Sneak Peek

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[00:00:00]Civil War was the movie that basically started a civil war within Marvel Studios. That's what kind of solidified this trust that Feige has with the Rooster brothers.

[00:00:10]>> So, it feels like a darker version of what Infinity War and Endgame could give us.

[00:00:14]>> I think it's like a genuine family crisis that's happening for a lot of these characters. I think the X-Men are in this movie what the Guardians of the Galaxy were in Infinity War. But let's call Joe and ask him what he said. Joe, stop talking about pizza. We know you love Blackbird deep dish. Masa is clearly the better deep dish.

[00:00:31]>> Why are you friends with Joe Russo?

[00:00:32]>> Why aren't you?

[00:00:32]>> Or is that Joe Rogan that you're actually calling?

[00:00:34]>> No, I'm Oh god, IT IS JOE ROGAN.

[00:00:36]>> OH, WAKE UP THE PHONE.

[00:00:37]>> STOP. NO, I DON'T WANT TO EAT BEATLES. I really at this point don't think that Daredevil's going to be in Brand New Day. Matt Murdoch revealing himself as Daredevil. You know that Peter Parker somewhere was like, "Wait a minute. My lawyer caught a brick through the window."

[00:00:51]>> Uh, this makes sense now.

[00:00:53]>> I get it. He's just going to walk through the streets like Peter Parker and Spider-Man 3.

[00:01:00]Welcome back to New Rockstars. Avengers Doomsday directors, the Russo brothers are changing the shape of the MCU as we know it in a Q&A that they did this week where they revealed big insights about Avengers Doomsday, the MCU version of Spider-Man and more. Plus, now that Daredevil Born Again season 2 is over, we are looking ahead to Daredevil's future and whether or not he could be in Spider-Man: Brand New Day. Yeah, it's time for another the state of Marvel here on the sneak peek.

[00:01:26]>> Yes, on the sneak peek. This is the weekly show here on New Rockstars, where we look ahead to the future of fandom with your host Jessica Clemens and Eric Vos.

[00:01:32]>> Hey Jessica, uh yeah, kind of a momentous week where we have the ending of Daredevil Born again uh in its second season, which kind of ends with an interesting cliffhanger for a lot of characters. But this we're going to start with like the Russo brothers this week doing this Q&A. They It's a 10-year anniversary of Captain America: Civil War. um the host of uh CBR went in there and just had this great Q&A with them and thank you to CBR for posting this whole Q&A interview that you did and you did a great job asking them some great questions. Sean, awesome work as always.

[00:01:59]Um and then Joe Russo and Anthony Russo just kind of started gushing about the whole history of like Captain America: Civil War coming and we're going to dig into this in a future episode of uh The Road to Doomsday, but specifically going from Captain America: Winter Soldier to Civil War. Civil War was the movie that basically started a civil war within Marvel Studios. And our colleague Joanna Robinson's book does go into this history and all the drama that happened with like Kevin Kevin Feige, Ike Pruter and and uh I or Bob Iger, how he kind of settled that dispute in a Solomon style and gave Kevin Feige the full control and the Russo brothers the full control that they now have going into Doomsday.

[00:02:41]So I wanted to look at a few clips. Um, but just to kind of give you guys the the drama that happened, um, Civil War really, yeah, it did start that civil war between the LA division, which was uh, Marvel Studios, Kevin Feige's division, and the what used to control everything, the New York division, that was Marvel Entertainment, that was Ike Pearlmutter's team with like his brain trust that Kevin Feige had to report up into. Uh, but Kevin Feige really wanted to get Robert Downey Jr. in this movie, which started some drama in the in the company because they're like, "We don't want to make our biggest star kind of a villainous figure in the movie." And the Russo brothers are like, "Well, trust us. We can make this work." But they also wanted to get Spider-Man in the movie. Kevin Feige really really wanted Spider-Man in the movie. And then Pearl Mother did not want to shell out the money for this. He also did not want to put Black Panther in this movie for a lot of shitty reasons. Um, so they didn't want to raise the budget of it.

[00:03:32]And it started this whole dispute and Fi's like, "I really want to do it this way and the Russo brothers like we have to do it this way. So Disney CEO at the time Bob Iger ended up settling the fight and he goes look this is like Disney is going to be the one distributing all these movies and TV shows. So for any of these movies and TV shows now Kevin Feige is overseeing all the movies. Um it's done. And then the Russos were like yay it's ours now. But what was really interesting about all of that is like now I think that's what kind of solidified this trust that Feige has with the Russo brothers and it kind of put them on the path where they are like the trusted directors who do these big crossover movies. Uh and what's uh interesting now as we look ahead to Doomsday we actually have this clip from Joe Russo as he's talking about like the difference between Avengers Doomsday and the past Avengers movies that they worked on uh and how Doomsday feels different. Um, and specifically they were uh the Sean asked them like how important were the X-Men to you going into Doomsday? And Joe's answer to that was really interesting. So, let's take a look.

[00:04:33]>> MCU fans always kind of assumed that you guys would come back at some point. Uh, and for a while it was rumored to be an X-Men movie. I am curious how far along you guys ever got into returning for the X-Men.

[00:04:44]>> We we never even discussed X-Men. I mean, it was always Secret Wars or Die, you know, Secret Wars or Bust. Um because that was the first comic I read when I was a kid. Uh and that was the book I fell that made me fall in love with comics. Um and I read the whole run in one reading. A friend of mine had him and I just sat there for a couple hours and read the whole thing.

[00:05:08]>> Uh and so that was always the conversation, but the question was what's the story?

[00:05:15]Um, and uh, it took us a long time to figure out a story that we thought was worthy to tell because if you're going to come back, you've got to make sure that, you know, you're going to meet expectations and, you know, that was, you know, Endgame was um, so well received that the pressure is enormous, you know, for a return. But I got to be honest, I feel like Doomsday is my favorite of the bunch.

[00:05:44]Uh, and I'm ecstatic that, you know, it all worked out because it's it's got something that the other movies don't have in a way. There's a there's a tone to it that is really unique.

[00:05:57]>> Okay. Interesting. So, you know, we have seen the Doomsday trailer that they showed at Cineacon. I think I kind of get what Joe Russo is talking about about that unique tone that Doomsday has that even Endgame did not have. But how do you interpret what >> I mean? I could see that. I It seems like from the trailer that we saw, it's a lot more dark. Uh it's a lot more sad.

[00:06:16]I think Infinity War and Endgame Infinity War didn't start off that sad.

[00:06:22]like it was and also the way that they're shooting it, the style felt like very vibrant. So, it didn't feel like it was sad until you start seeing people die in Wakanda and then you're like it still doesn't feel as dark as what Doomsday is. And I think that's because you have Robert Downey Jr. returning as a villain. It's like it can't be something that's hopeful. It's got to be like really solemn and sad. So, it feels like a darker version of what Infinity War and Endgame could give us.

[00:06:46]>> Yeah. And it's I agree with that. It does feel even darker than Endgame was.

[00:06:50]Endgame felt redemptive. Endgame felt like a almost a time capsule of looking back like we're playing the the highlight reel of the Infinity Saga.

[00:06:58]This is not a highlight reel of the Infinity Saga. It's more of like >> oh god trying to give redemption maybe for some of these other franchises that we're folding in. But I think it's like a genuine family crisis that's happening for a lot of these characters. It's interesting to hear Joe Russo say that like they were not really interested in the X-Men. And I think he's saying an X-Men movie as opposed to the X-Men characters. But like even him just dismissing it like that, it sounds like this was more of a studio prerogative to get like Cyclops and Professor X and Gambit and all them in there. And he's more interested in something else that is happening in Doomsday. And yeah, I think it is the Dr. Doom of it all.

[00:07:33]Yeah. The um I think the Fantastic 4 getting Reed Richards and Thor and Steve Rogers kind of working together. The Thunderbolts, I think they're interested in that. It's just interesting because the trailer we saw was so X-Men forward, >> but we also know why because it's X-Men.

[00:07:47]>> Yeah. And that's how they're selling it.

[00:07:48]>> I want And they are selling it like that and I'm here for it. I'm like, "Yeah, give me all I'm not I'm not I Please take do not don't go away from that. I would love as much X-Men you want to give us. But if the X-Men aren't going to be in there as much as I think they're going to be, don't put them in every trailer teaser or anything else cuz we saw a lot of them in the trailer.

[00:08:06]Um, but I think those what we saw in the trailer was also like, oh, you don't know what Mystique looks like here. were giving you it, right?

[00:08:12]>> Like that it's not giving away too much.

[00:08:14]Same with like Gambit. Like, oh, you've seen Gambit, but you haven't seen him here, >> so here you go. Um, >> I think the X-Men are in this movie what the Guardians of the Galaxy were in Infinity War. Like, it was another really exciting group of Marvel heroes that the Russo brothers didn't really have anything to do with that. They're now successfully folding in with the Avengers, the core Avengers narrative that they like.

[00:08:34]>> Yeah.

[00:08:34]>> And it'll work. I think it will work.

[00:08:36]It's just like, was Infinity War and Endgame that much of a Guardian story?

[00:08:42]It kind of was with Nebula.

[00:08:43]>> It's It's and and Gamora. And I think that's a lot Yeah. And I think that's a lot easier to fold in. It's not even folding in. You have one of your main characters in your group is related to the man that's taking over the world, uh, taking over the universes. And the sister that you just put on the group as well. You guys are both related to this man. So, it's like we got to see him eventually, even when he kills us. Um, but like throw in the X-Men feels like which is so crazy. It feels like its own IP away from Marvel still and they're like, "Yeah, have fun trying to fold this in." I think it's still at the end of the day a movie that's lifting the Marvel Cinematic Universe. So even if they want to make like Fantastic 4 and make a standalone, it still has to uplift the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

[00:09:22]And unfortunately, not unfortunately, but since we're working towards the X-Men, it's like, "Oh, you have to find a way to work this in their Russos." I know you want to stick with like >> the comic book story line or not even comic book story line just the characters that were major for Secret Wars but it's like we're moving into the X-Men so you got to give them a story line. You got to give them something. We can't just give them a a show or a movie immediately and not know who these people are. Do you think Joe Russo is just kind of like he's just in I'm going to sell this movie as hard as I can mode where it's a bit of [ __ ] where he says that Doomsday is his favorite of the bunch because like the man cooked with Winter Soldier, Civil War, Infinity War, and Endgame. Like I understand you're really trying to sell this movie, but why do you think he's saying that?

[00:10:04]>> There's Well, you can't say that my favorite movie is Civil War >> and you're a new I think you could as you're an adult person that's a journalist watching these movies. Yeah, but >> I think I think it's >> as someone else like me, I'd be like if I was an outsider looking at I think as a journalist, you can go back to your old works and be like this was the best that I've done. Uh I freaking James Cameron says that all the time. Um but I think with movies that were have a large a large audience like us, I think you can't be like, "Yeah, this one that came out 10 years ago is still better than this thing, but it's going to be great still regardless." I'd be like, "No, you can't say that. wait until the movie's out and then we make all our opinions and then you can say, "Actually, I really liked Winter Soldier the most.

[00:10:43]That was the best one I've ever done."

[00:10:45]>> See, I think the the note here is like avoid any kind of ranking or superlative statement because like Christopher Nolan is one of these filmmakers who could probably say, "Yes, I have the Odyssey coming out this year." But you know what? I really, really, really liked Oppenheimer and I don't know if the Odyssey is going to be better than Oppenheimer.

[00:11:04]I still can't see Christopher Nolan saying that until the movie's out.

[00:11:06]>> Yeah. I mean, I could Kevin Feige is one who will always say he'll always wear the hat of the next movie that's going to come out and that is the studio head's job. Um, a filmmaker like Joe Russo who's like I I wouldn't blame him if if Doomsday is just not as good as Winter Soldier is. I'm not expecting it to be.

[00:11:23]>> No, 100%. But I guess as a director, don't you feel it in your position that each project you go on, you learn from before and you're going to make a better product? So just to be like, yeah, this is not better than the last one I did.

[00:11:35]I'D BE LIKE, "WHERE WAS IT THEN? Where was your heart?"

[00:11:37]>> See, I I think part of what's informing that is like he now has a level of experience, comfort, and confidence making this movie. He's had more time to make this movie the way he wants to do it with his brother. Um, they've learned from the lessons that they uh learned on Infinity War and Endgame, how close backto-back those were. And I think like a character like Thanos was a character he had to take from James Gunn in the Guardians movies and like figure him out kind of backwards. A character like Dr. Doom, they could start fresh. They can tell the origin story of Dr. Doom. So, I wonder if like that gives them a bit more comfort comfort making the villain the kind of a protagonist figure throughout the plot structure. So, some comfort with that and the fact that he and his brother are making $80 million on this probably ain't hurting it.

[00:12:20]>> Yeah, I think the money is the best part of it. I think money is the best part of it. But, we also even talked about the Russos before, I think a couple weeks ago where we said they work really well in a sandbox. Uh, and even if if they get the get the stretch making Doom, it's the comics that help them make it because they they need that sandbox.

[00:12:37]When you give them free reign to do whatever, they kind of go I don't even know what to say.

[00:12:42]>> They go to the electric state. That's what you were saying, right?

[00:12:46]>> They go they go they go somewhere. I don't know where the hell they're going, but they're going somewhere. That's worse than I said something meaner than what that was. I'm like, no, I don't know what the [ __ ] that was. But they work really well in their sandbox. And I do think like I do agree though that yes, the money >> the money helps.

[00:13:03]>> Definitely. The money is definitely I'm not saying like the money does help.

[00:13:07]>> I I think also um they were able to shoot more of this outdoors and not just Well, I guess they're shooting in the UK, not in the Atlanta area. Maybe they like being in the UK. Um but I but I do think it's more of like the narrative journey. I think they were really excited by this whatever the spark of an idea that Steen Mcily pitched them. They love working with Robert Downey Jr.

[00:13:26]And I think they just have more control over what this apocalyptic narrative and they had to work with Kevin Feige, the artist team, Louis Desposito, and that was a big collaborative thing. And I think the Russo brothers now are like, "Okay, well the most um kind of that we have to bring in from another era was the X-Men." But even it's like a version of the X-Men where Kevin Feige is like just have more fun with it. Nightcrawler gets to be with them now. You know, >> don't worry about the the the logical narrative as the >> Yeah, the next guy will work on that.

[00:14:00]>> Yeah. Um, another I think one of the crazy things that they revealed was some lore about the Tom Holland MCU Spider-Man. They established something that like they kind of answered a question that we've had for over 10 years because, you know, Tom Holland's Peter Parker was introduced in Captain America: Civil War. it was on the Russo brothers to make that work, to figure out what he would look and feel like in the MCU. So, I think they do have a bit of authority over like what his backstory was, even though he is a Sony character. Uh, and ultimately those lore decisions will be made by the writers and director of and Tom Holland of of these Sony Spider-Man movies like in Brand New Day, but I think it gives us some context over some questions that Brand New Day might answer. Um, let's roll this clip when he's answering a question about um about Peter Parker in the MCU. Is Peter Parker responsible for his Uncle Ben's death?

[00:14:51]>> Oh, that's interesting. So, Spider-Man was one of my favorite characters growing up.

[00:14:55]>> Sure.

[00:14:56]>> Everybody's, >> if not my favorite. And what I related to was this idea of a kid with incredible responsibility, right? And I think that you could manifest that responsibility through accidental death, right? and feeling the pressure of like and the sense of loss in your life uh um in a way that would keep the spirit that we wanted and what Tom Holland is as an actor than if he blamed himself for his Uncle Ben's death. I think he's a very different character.

[00:15:33]>> So in our minds, no, he wasn't responsible for Uncle Ben's death. And that would have been a a different interpretation, more more a more intense interpretation of the character.

[00:15:44]>> Wow. Okay. So, basically, this is the first time like a a liveaction adaptation of Peter Parker did not have that kind of classic origin story. Then in the MCU, they're saying that there was never an incident where like Peter allowed a robber to escape due to some petty gripe he has with the person the robber was robbing and that same robber shot and killed his uncle.

[00:16:04]>> To be fair, that could still be considered an accident. I think that's not what they're saying, though. I think they're saying Uncle Ben slipped down a flight of stairs.

[00:16:11]>> I think that's what they're saying. But anyone can just say that what happened to every other one is what happened and that's still an accident.

[00:16:18]>> Cuz I guess they're not in charge of riding Spider-Man. Well, they're not in charge of riding Spider-Man for the future.

[00:16:22]>> They're not. But let's call Joe and ask him what he said. Joe, stop talking about pizza. We know. We know. We We know you love Blackbird deep dish. Masa is clearly the better deep dish.

[00:16:34]>> Why are you friends with Joe Russo?

[00:16:35]>> Why aren't you? Or is that Joe Rogan that you're actually calling?

[00:16:37]>> No, I'm Oh god, IT IS JOE ROGAN.

[00:16:39]>> OH, JOE, WAKE UP THE PHONE.

[00:16:41]>> STOP. NO, I DON'T WANT TO EAT BEATLES.

[00:16:43]OKAY, he hung up on me. Um the uh um >> the other JR.

[00:16:49]>> No, I I think what honestly they're saying that like there was no version of events where Peter could feel at all responsible for his actions leading to the death of Uncle Ben. I think what they're say honestly they'd be saying it was the Battle of New York, some rubble fell on him or something like that.

[00:17:03]>> Yeah. which could also still be accidentally Peter's fault because Peter should have helped him.

[00:17:06]>> Why are you trying to blame Peter for this?

[00:17:08]>> Yeah, I love a sad Peter Parker. Who doesn't like a sader?

[00:17:10]>> I do too.

[00:17:11]>> Everybody's miserable for Peter Parker.

[00:17:12]I'm also like I'm like, yeah, I could still I think there's so many ways that in especially in the MCU and even Sony Marvel, a lot of deaths can be seen as accidents and a lot of deaths are seen as like, oh, I did it. I think Moonnight was a great example of like something he took onto himself and said it was like his fault, but he's not killing people like the penguin did his brothers where he just like trapped like he's not like trapping Ben in like a steel shut that he's going to drown in.

[00:17:37]>> But I hear what they're saying and it tracks with what happens in Spider-Man No Way Home because that moment with Aunt May dying with that Aunt May saying with great power there must also come great responsibility. That was the moment. There was no other Uncle Ben who said a version of that in that Peter's past. No, >> it was Aunt May. And I think that's why Marvel Studios is moving in this Spider-Man Brand New Day kind of reset because now it's like Peter's journey.

[00:18:00]But if anything, it kind of downgrades the uh the teenage years of Peter Parker in the MCU as like kind of a pre-permanman who didn't have that big origin advice that was so critical. Um it it downgrades Uncle Ben's death as anything that was that important of a canon moment in Peter's life.

[00:18:17]>> Maybe this Peter Parker is like more okay with death. I mean, he already had one uh family relative die under his belt, so it's like, oh yeah, >> I I there was a moment in that scene, the the Russo's shot of when Peter tells Tony Stark like when the bad things happen, they kind of happen on your watch or when they happen and you had the power to stop them. Uh they kind of happen because of you. And then Tony's like, "Yes, kid. That's the kind of weight on your shoulders you should have." And then uh that's what aligns Peter and Tony Stark from there forward.

[00:18:48]But so I guess in that moment he's not talking about he's not talking about any Uncle Ben. Maybe there's a part of him who's like, "Man, if I got bit by that spider earlier, I could have prevented Uncle Ben from getting hit by that rubble when the Chitauri blew up part of Avengers Tower."

[00:19:01]>> And that's an accident.

[00:19:03]>> I think that's the accident.

[00:19:04]>> That's an accident.

[00:19:05]>> And then this whole idea of they didn't want their Peter Parker to be darker. I get what they're saying there because they wanted Tom Holland's boyish Peter Parker to bring that youthful optimistic energy to kind of contrast with the Civil War era darker attitudes that Steve Rogers and Tony Stark had where they're like fighting over their dead moms and Bucky killing one of them. Like I get you need to have kind of a youthful spirit and I that spirit kind of like bubbled along in Homecoming and in and in No Way Home and Far From Home.

[00:19:32]But um >> classically Peter Parker is a sad teenager. He is a teenager who can make the jokes, who can laugh through the pain, but he is a like a 16-year-old or something like that who loses his uncle because of his actions.

[00:19:47]>> So, it it is kind of an interesting thing. It's another way that the MCU Peter Parker Spider-Man is different along with it. It's almost like looking at Tom Holland's uh Peter Parker's teenage years where he didn't have an Uncle Ben Canon event and he has Stark Tech as almost like a dream that this kid is waking up from in Brand New Day.

[00:20:06]It's like he got to benefit from all this Stark tech this Stark intern internship era Peter and it's really Brand New Day where we're going to get like the classic Peter Parker now and it's going to be Uncle May's advice not advice.

[00:20:18]>> Yeah.

[00:20:19]>> Yeah.

[00:20:19]>> I I I agree.

[00:20:22]>> Yeah. I just think it's it's pretty ballsy for Joe Russo to say that considering it's such an important character and it's still that same version of the character is about to have a big movie come out.

[00:20:30]>> I think it I I think yeah I think they can also just change it and do whatever they want in the future. I want to believe that like they put a lot of work into Civil War which they did but I remember that Chadwick Boseman was like I had to create this character all for myself.

[00:20:44]>> Yeah.

[00:20:44]>> And he walked onto that set being like I don't no one even knew what Wakanda looked like or what those people would sound like. he had to come up with it with uh what's his name who's not at the studio anymore. So I'm like yeah I mean I guess you would put more work into Spider-Man than you would into Black Panther seeing even as that guy didn't even want to do Black Panther or didn't want Black Panther in Civil War. But it's like yeah I think they just also knew that like we're not going to deal with this guy in the future. Someone else is going to be making a solo movie for him. I think um yeah it was a Nate Moore Nate Moore who was like the producer who worked with Chadwick and then with with Ryan Cougler to really create Wakanda in the MCU. I to give Kevin Feige and the Russo brothers credit they did fight for Black Panther to be in Civil War. Um it was Ike Pearl Mutter who said no I don't want to do it. The toys won't sell enough. They but the idea they had for him was it was like this morning arc. So it was like a contrast to what Peter Parker would bring to it. He loses to Chaka. He's he's learning how to replace revenge with grace that he gives Zemo by the end of the movie and something that he teaches Tony Stark and the other characters uh to let go of that vengeance. And I think it is an important thematic thing, but it is like if you're introducing Black Panther to the world, >> that's so ignorant to be like, "Oh yeah, we'll have him be like the calm, peaceful one that teaches like peace. I don't even know what this character looks like." And be like, >> be like, "We got his suit.

[00:22:08]I just thought he was going to sound like he's from Jersey.

[00:22:10]>> It's kind of the unfortunate reality of like the way Marvel Studios machinery works is like at that time you need these big big tentpole movies to introduce these characters as part of teams and you can't always give the way they would do their origin stories are with these like prelude comics that only a fraction of the fan base would read.

[00:22:26]Um, and but also to give them credit, they did quickly team up with Ryan Cougler and just let him tell exactly what version of that origin story that he did and it ended up being a billion dollar success.

[00:22:37]>> It's amazing.

[00:22:38]>> It's great that we got that out of it.

[00:22:40]Um, >> no, I'm just saying that it I'm like I don't think they're really thinking too I mean they're thinking like oh this is we're the catalyst for this character, but after a minute I think it's the same way that James Gun took like I don't care for Thor. I have nothing to do with it. and he was just like, I don't know what Thor's position is. I don't know what his motivations are. So, I didn't want to make him a big part of Guardians of the Galaxy. But then setting him up for uh Thor Love and Thunder. They were just like, here you go. Like James Gun was like here, that's it. This is what you get with the Guardians. This is where we're going to last see him. I think it's kind of like that where you're like, yeah, we're just starting it. But and when we were writing him in it, we didn't think of him as this character. But if someone house feels more passionate about him in the future, like if Dustin Daniel Credin is like, "Well, I did and I changed that."

[00:23:23]>> We should we should do an episode or maybe just a segment that ranks like MCU cameos and crossovers across titles that you completely forgot happened. So I often forget that the Guardians of the Galaxy were in >> Yeah, because it's literally five minutes in a >> leave the movie and then they're like, "Bye." And they don't come back into the movie at all. Um what's his face? Uh Rick Mason showing up in Secret Invasion. The guy from Black Widow, Otif Fabinley's character from Black Widow shows up in Secret Invasion one episode.

[00:23:52]>> Oh yes, yes. Yeah. I don't know. I kept seeing you said Black Widow. I kept going Black Panther and I was like, who is that? No. Yeah, he is.

[00:23:57]>> It's weird.

[00:23:57]>> And it's very quick.

[00:23:58]>> There's so many There's like at least like six or seven of those in in phase four and five where it's like, >> huh? Oh, right. Yeah, they showed up.

[00:24:07]the the Guardians one. The Guardians, the Thor Love Thunder was so funny because it was just clear like, "Oh, we're only doing this because technically he's with them right now.

[00:24:18]>> We need to rip them apart somehow, though."

[00:24:20]>> Um, Joe Russo also, I don't know if it was from this CBR interview, but he had an interesting comment on like spoilers, like specifically how he's like how he's making these movies like Doomsday despite the fact that like leaks and spoilers are coming out. And like I think with like trailers when things come out or when things leak like how do you still manage audience expectations in a culture like that? Here's what he said. Quote, "On one hand, audiences want to be surprised and that's part of what makes the theatrical experience exciting. On the other hand, it can become a little overpoliced where people are anxious about engaging with anything. We designed these films to unfold in a certain way and we want audiences to feel those moments as intended. But at the same time, you can't control everything. You have to focus on making something that holds up beyond the initial surprise.

[00:25:06]>> 100%.

[00:25:07]>> I think what he's saying is he really is not trying to make cameo fesk movies to where the full excitement is just on someone showing up in frame. Everyone stands up and screams, but rather like what role do they have in the story that is much harder to spoil with just an image or a two second video of something. I don't know if he's successful with this because >> I I well I think it's very hard to do an adaptations. Like it's still a comic book adaptation. We all have our favorite characters. So it's like those cameos are what I'm I'm I'm excited for the X-Men. I'm excited to see James Mars in a Cyclops again. Like are you kidding me? Like if Halle Berry was Storm, I'd be even more excited. So I'm like, "Yeah, all you got to do is put that face in the middle of the screen for a minute and I'm going to go wow."

[00:25:49]>> Yeah. Like when I remember in the week or two before Endgame came out, I definitely had people DMing me leaks. I don't even know how they saw them. They must have been projectionists who worked or projectionist roommates of of Hulk wearing the Stark Stark gauntlet.

[00:26:05]>> Oh, that's crazy.

[00:26:05]>> And I was like, I don't know if this is real. But it was like back in April of 2019. I was like, no, no, no, no. I really don't want to see it.

[00:26:11]>> Also, I don't Yeah, I don't want to see it.

[00:26:13]>> Yeah. And and it was like, okay, that obviously ended up being in the movie.

[00:26:17]That is something that like I had in my mind while I was watching the movie. And I think that is just like a quick visual that like you can draw plot implications from just by looking at it. However, the full implication of it, the fact that they are snapping everyone back into reality and then that's going to bring Thanos for the final battle, that is an impossible thing to spoil from a visual.

[00:26:37]>> Yeah, 100%.

[00:26:38]>> Capital the image itself is already I mean that's how I mean, hey, that's how people make their money, right?

[00:26:44]Theorizing. So, it's like the theorizing off that you're going to make it bigger than what it is. I think we did that with um uh Brand New Day. I don't think Hulk is going to be as big as a a component as I think he is. I think he's going to be huge, but I also don't think it's like, oh, without him, the movie ends horribly. I'm going to be like, no, there's something else major here that you're not showing me yet. Um, but yeah, I I get I get seeing that gauntlet and being like, whoa, he actually saves the world.

[00:27:11]>> Yeah. I I think what Russo is saying about Overpleased is fascinating because these are the guys who when Infinity War and Endgame came out had like they were the only studio or directors who I had seen for a Marvel movie actually post something like keep the secrets until this date. Like they gave us a firm day and date of like do not say anything on social media. Now people didn't listen to that. It's social media. Um but I was like interesting that these guys are now saying it's overpleased. And I think what Joe Russo is saying about Over Police there, if I had to guess, is that he's saying that people are a little over paranoid about even watching a trailer. Like I think they're saying you can watch our trailers because like yeah, you'll see Thor show up fighting Dr. Doom or you'll see like Mystique fighting Yolena and that's not going to tell you the full story of why they're doing that.

[00:27:56]I think it even might be even seeing that in the trailer, you can't have a take right away. You really do have to think deeply about it >> as your job as a YouTuber to figure it out.

[00:28:14]>> Yeah. But that's not that's Disney being like, "Oh, you guys can't show this much."

[00:28:19]>> Yeah. Well, I think he's saying like, "Don't be afraid when the trailer comes out. You can engage with some of the marketing in this movie. It's not going to break your brain. Mhm.

[00:28:25]>> Um, some other related headlines uh from this week, Tom Hston revealed during uh Josh Orit's Happy, Sad, Confused podcast with Charlie Cox that Tom Hston, Loki actor, was going to direct an episode of Daredevil Born Again before the overhaul in 2023. Tom Hiddston directing one of these Hector Ayala episodes or Muse episodes. Interesting.

[00:28:47]>> British on British.

[00:28:48]>> I think Hiddleston and Cox are friends, right?

[00:28:50]>> I I assume all British boys are friends.

[00:28:53]>> Were they part of that Patson? Um, British Tom Hilson wasn't invited. He wasn't in there.

[00:28:57]>> He wasn't invited.

[00:28:58]>> But Charlie Cox was roommates with Patson and Freddy >> Andrew Garfield and Eddie Eddie Eddie.

[00:29:04]Yeah. What the [ __ ] did you say?

[00:29:06]>> I said I said Freddy Ed, I think. Um, Charlie Cox also um did this whole kind of like finale watch event with Brandon Davis hosting it and Brandon's like, "You're definitely going to be in Spider-Man, aren't you?" We actually have a clip for this. The response is pretty funny. Let's take a look.

[00:29:21]>> This Spider-Man trailer, we see Spider-Man fighting. I'm not in Spider-Man.

[00:29:24]>> Literally Spider-Man.

[00:29:26]>> We literally see him.

[00:29:27]>> I'm not Spider-Man.

[00:29:30]>> I'm not there. I don't want to bite my hand. I'm not Spider-Man.

[00:29:32]>> Uh Chad, do we believe him?

[00:29:34]>> How many times have you told him?

[00:29:35]>> Huh?

[00:29:36]>> How many times have you directly told him situation? It's a lose- lose situation cuz the more you deny it, the more they're like, "Well, that's exactly what someone who is in Spider-Man." Exactly.

[00:29:46]>> That's cute.

[00:29:47]>> Oh man. Brandon even tries to get the crowd to turn on him like, "Crowdown, what do you think?" And they're like, "Boo. I feel so bad to help him. Vincent Denario is very good at being like, "No, >> I really at this point don't think that Daredevil's going to be in Brand New Day."

[00:30:02]>> Not even a little bit.

[00:30:03]>> He might be in the postredit scene. I I do think that there's going to be more of a crossover with Spider-Man's events in season 3 that will set up Secret Wars.

[00:30:12]>> Okay.

[00:30:13]>> But I think to I don't know if Daredevil is going to be in Doomsday, especially after this season of Daredevil Born again. I just think it's too soon >> to see Daredevil in Doomsday. if like we got a third season of Daredevil coming next year.

[00:30:25]>> I see I can see them mentioning them.

[00:30:27]>> Yeah. Mentioning who?

[00:30:28]>> Uh Matt Murdoch >> or well Daredevil.

[00:30:32]>> Yeah. There could be a world where like there's a headline. I mean it's the same New York. I mean let's let's talk about the finale of Daredevil because Matt Murdoch revealing himself as Daredevil.

[00:30:41]You know that Peter Parker somewhere was like, "Wait a minute. My lawyer caught a brick through the window."

[00:30:46]>> Uh this MAKES SENSE NOW.

[00:30:47]>> I GET IT.

[00:30:50]The blind lawyer caught the brick in the window and he's and now he's like, "Oh my god, he is there." I feel like a lot of people are a little stupid in this universe to be like this blind lawyer that caught a brick in the window but is not anywhere connected to the blind super vigilante.

[00:31:07]>> I think I think he's going to put two and two together. And I think there could be a mention of that in Brand New Day. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe.

[00:31:13]>> I think I think Yeah. I think Punisher is going to bring up something that's like you're worse than Red.

[00:31:18]>> Yeah. Yeah.

[00:31:18]>> And he goes, "Wait, yeah, Red, my lawyer who caught that brick that one time. How did he do that?"

[00:31:25]>> The funniness, the funny reveal is going to be him on a phone looking at it and being like, "Oh, that makes sense." And that's it.

[00:31:30]>> That's it. He's going to be like, "Oh, that makes sense." And then he's going to be like, "Oh, MJ."

[00:31:34]>> Our colleagues over on the Midnight Boys podcast, you were saying, are kind of talking about this question of like, "What does it mean for superhero anonymity?" Now that Matt Murdoch, one of the final anonymous superheroes in that universe, uh, has revealed himself, now it's just back to Peter Parker being the only I think >> I think I think the only one Jessica Jones is just walking around.

[00:31:52]>> Her name is Jessica.

[00:31:53]>> All the defenders are just walking around to be fair.

[00:31:55]>> Um, it's crazy to think it's only cuz we know Miss Marvel is Camala, right?

[00:32:04]>> Enough of us. I think she doesn't count because too many of us already know who she is. She she was telling everybody >> she Yeah. I don't know if there was ever like a press conference. The DODC was on her case, >> but the dad was even like, "Yes, my daughter." Like, so like, so even Matt Murdoch showing up was like, "Oh, you have your daughter on your desk." And it's the superhero version of her, >> right? Yeah. And his name is Yousef Khan. I don't think he would have hidden it.

[00:32:29]>> People know.

[00:32:30]>> Yeah.

[00:32:31]>> And she walked around just Kate Bishop.

[00:32:33]>> Everyone in Jersey City was like looking up at her like, "Whoa, look at her go."

[00:32:37]But I think she did try to hide it for a while.

[00:32:38]>> She did, but I think the the joke was like her parents knew immediately cuz in the show they were like, "Yeah, we know."

[00:32:44]>> Yeah. The family knows.

[00:32:45]>> They were like, "We know.

[00:32:46]>> The family knows." And Nick Fury and the sword organization fully knows.

[00:32:50]>> And now the the the what is it? Kate Bishop knows. K uh Ant-Man's daughter's about to know. She just cuz she's been acquiring people not in costume. So it's like everybody knows. Yeah. Just them.

[00:33:02]Wonderman's kind of hiding. But you now know cuz he doesn't wear a mask either.

[00:33:06]you just wear sunglasses, >> right? But that I mean that's kind of like what has in the modern era at least separated Marvel from from DC is like DC is all about this the secret identities.

[00:33:16]Marvel everyone's just kind of public especially in the Ultimates era.

[00:33:18]Everyone's public >> but now it's got to become personal.

[00:33:21]Well, when we get to the X-Men >> Yeah. Right.

[00:33:24]>> Some of No, cuz the X-Men go by they're publicly like we're the X-Men. Yeah.

[00:33:27]>> Um >> they're just they're already kind of hunted and they have to only live >> that's the whole point is they they're already hunted. They're like god damn it they're going to kill me and my family.

[00:33:34]But I mean for in the earlier era comics, you know, like Thor had the Donald Blake identity.

[00:33:41]>> They some of them did try to hide it.

[00:33:42]And then the Civil War event in the comics is what like forced everyone to come out and register publicly. So it moments like this make me feel like we're not going to have a Civil War 2.0 that's over that issue.

[00:33:54]>> I also think the Hector Ayala episode of Daredevil born again was like to highlight this whole message was like you can't hide behind the mask. I think Daredevil does it a lot. It's always Kingpin's being like, "Oh, the people in the mask, they're being badoo."

[00:34:07]>> If you're a mask, if you're a serial killer or if you're a mask if you're a vigilante, same thing.

[00:34:10]>> Same thing. Same difference. He's he said, "Take that [ __ ] mask off." So, I think yeah, they're going to leave that to the street people, but they don't even talk about it anymore. The street people, that's what I call the grounded part of the MCU. But they're not they're not even dealing with they're not even talking about it anymore. I don't think it's a big deal that to them in the next season that like Matt revealed himself. I I think it'll be a big deal that Matt revealed himself, but not a big deal that like, oh, a superhero is unveiling who his real person self is. No one's going to be like, "Wow, I can't believe he did that." in their universe. They're going to be like, "Oh, yeah, >> Doctor Strange Doctor Strange."

[00:34:40]>> This season 3 ends with Fisk being on his private desert island. And then he's going to come back in season 3, I guess, as like a hobo wearing a big overcoat and a knit cap with a big beard. No, after murdering as many people as he did that it is crazy that he gets to just live on a private island.

[00:34:59]>> There's a lot of people that kill a lot of people that live on private islands.

[00:35:03]>> Name names.

[00:35:04]>> Um Epstein.

[00:35:06]>> He's dead.

[00:35:07]>> Yeah. Well, well, you said name names.

[00:35:08]You didn't say name people that were alive doing it. I don't know anyone with an island. You probably know someone with an island closer than me cuz you're from Florida.

[00:35:15]>> Well, I mean just if you're surrounded BY A RETENTION.

[00:35:19]>> YEAH. LIKE THERE'S a little land over there and I know someone that lives on it.

[00:35:21]>> I live on a houseboat and then a hurricane blew a bunch of trash and it formed an island and I'm king of it now.

[00:35:28]>> There you go. There's the other guy. The trash man.

[00:35:30]>> The trash man. Which one?

[00:35:32]>> Yeah. Okay. There's a lot in Florida. My bad. Sorry. I should have been more more >> That's not the same thing as living on a Pacific Fiji island.

[00:35:40]>> I don't know. For some people it might be depends on how much bath salt you take. Um. No. But yeah. No, there I think >> I I I I think anything goes for Kingpin at this point. Honestly, they they for some reason he can justify anything.

[00:35:53]>> Yeah, >> he can justify anything. And even if I say you cannot, they will do it.

[00:35:57]>> Yeah, >> they will never that man will never actually get just like no one will get justice.

[00:36:03]>> Do you think with um ending with uh this whole idea of Mr. Charles taking decks on some overseas location, replacing Luke Cage doing the Lord's work, it seems like the CIA and Mr. Charles and Val just like having a superhuman assassin who can help them take out whoever they want. Do you think this is one step closer to getting Bullseye in the Thunderbolts?

[00:36:24]>> Oh. Oh. To replace Taskmaster. I mean, >> or just to add another teammate to the Dark Avengers who's a really good like he could be the Hawkeye of the group.

[00:36:32]Someone with really great aim.

[00:36:33]>> I don't think you should. Should they put Bullseye on the Thunderbolts?

[00:36:36]>> I think he's exactly the kind of super soldier who they love. They love someone like Bucky Red Guardian. He's scary.

[00:36:44]>> I think he's awesome.

[00:36:46]>> And also that would that be kind of crazy for them cuz they're not used to like that level of blood and guts. It's like wait, so what did you do with that knife? Like they'll I to be fair, the only person on that team that went that hard was John Walker. So it's like >> I I don't know. Maybe Bullseye would be too hard for them. Like that'd be too crazy. I I I I think any future that gets uh Bullseye, the version of Bullseye we've seen on Daredvil Born again in more projects doing more dark [ __ ] for Val is a better MCU.

[00:37:15]>> Yeah, >> he's insane.

[00:37:18]>> Yeah, he's that's the that's the why I'm like it's crazy that the Marvel television is much more like grounded in darkness than the MCU is because the MCU is still very fluffy and very sweet and nice. Like I think the darkest thing we got was Century's like life and it's like yeah this man has done a lot like I think but that was the only time they ever like talk about drugs in the MCU and I was like yeah this was the hardest thing. Bullseye's a [ __ ] lunatic.

[00:37:40]Bullseye is crazy as h that is crazy dude that's I cuz that's also like remember like how Moonnight is that's like bringing Moonnight in and being like yeah he actually deals with a trauma from watching his brother die and his mom abuse him. Like in the MCU we don't see that. We hear it, but we don't see it, >> right? I think for these two-hour movies, they kind of have to like get to it. They they >> But also, I don't think they want to explore like that. That's pretty dark.

[00:38:04]Bullseye's not even lunatic as in like clinically like insane. I'm saying like he's just murdering people left and right, cutting off limbs, not caring at all, >> throwing lobster claws and eyes.

[00:38:16]>> Yeah. Literally being going like this afterwards, too, being like, "Well, he was going to get away."

[00:38:20]>> I I want to see I don't know if we're ever going to get a Thunderbolt sequel, right? because Thunderbolts just didn't make half a million half a billion. It would be so good. And whatever version of like the Thunderbolts that Val is using to like hunt mutants or whatever or or or try to steal adamantium from wherever it is. Um I think I want to see Dex on that team. I want more Billy Joel tracks. I want Bill I want to hear is if it's not New York State of Mind, do we hear good night Saigon from uh from Bullseye as he's doing something over there? want to see him capturing mutants.

[00:38:54]>> Well, no one wants to see that. But it is scary.

[00:38:58]>> It's scary to have Dex as uh >> Dex coming after those kids.

[00:39:03]>> Oh my god.

[00:39:04]>> But what if they're bad mutants? What if it's like a Mal Farooq shadow king?

[00:39:08]>> What does he do?

[00:39:09]>> Well, he's like the psychic mutant from Legion who was like uh an opt to Charles Xavier in the early 20th century. He's an Egyptian mutant who basically is like uh has this psychic shadow king self that can just invade all your thoughts and dreams. It's horrifying.

[00:39:27]>> I mean, that's not so bad. That's not so bad. If you were saying like Mr. Sinister, I'd be like, "Oh god, that freak. Get that freak out."

[00:39:35]>> Nathaniel Essex versus >> [ __ ] disgusting out. He's weird and creepy.

[00:39:39]>> Do you remember how Mr. Sinister ended Expo 97 just BY GOING, "OH NO." Then he ran away.

[00:39:46]>> No. And I'm glad I don't remember. Roll the clip.

[00:39:48]>> No. I'm glad I don't remember him that way. Even though I don't like Mr. Sinister. He's very weird.

[00:39:53]>> He's such >> He's such a freak, dude. He's such a freak. And not a like a very bad way.

[00:39:58]He's weird and he's a freak. Get him out of here.

[00:40:01]>> Um, looking ahead to the next week on New Rockstars. Uh, we have Jessica's breakdown of Mortal Kombat 2 coming to the channel tomorrow. Um, the Road to Doomsday podcast is alive and well. We just covered X-Men Days of Future Past and next we're covering the Guardians of the Galaxy trilogy. Definitely going to want to watch both of those episodes.

[00:40:17]Uh, let's see. We finished Oh. Oh, The Boys. The Boys is Oh my god. doing some crazy things in its final season.

[00:40:24]Jessica's breakdown of episode 6 is on the channel from Thursday, but this coming Thursday, she'll be breaking down episode 7, and I'm sure it's going to get even crazier. Uh, our breakdown of uh Punisher: One Last Kill is going to be on this channel on Tuesday night. Uh, we are going to get a press screener for it tomorrow. We haven't seen it as of this recording. Um, but we're going to be writing and shooting it earlier and then Aby's going to be finishing the edit on that on Tuesday night. Um, anything else that >> No, that I can think of.

[00:40:54]>> No, I got my notes for The Boys, though.

[00:40:57]>> Yeah. Oh, uh, Mandalorian and Grou is, uh, is coming up. Um, and we're going to have a big homework video. I know there's like three seasons of the Mandalorian. There's like a season of The Book of Boba Fett. There's a season of uh Ahsoka. There's all kinds of other related Tales of the Empire, Tales of the Jedi, uh uh everything that kind of you need some homework for going into that movie. So, we're going to do like a homework video on that and then I'm going to be able to see the movie a couple days early. We're going to do like a review, like a no spoiler review of what to expect going into that movie.

[00:41:30]Um I have not seen it yet. I've only seen like the first 17 minutes. I honestly don't know what to expect from that movie. So, I think that review will be pretty useful for you guys. Um, let's end this episode of the sneak peek with what we're watching. What have you been watching?

[00:41:43]>> I'm just watching The Boys. I'm watching The Boys and then plus a movie or a trailer a week cuz >> you weren't watching Outdoor Boys.

[00:41:50]>> No, I was not watching Outdoor Boys cuz they don't make videos anymore. Um, but I will. Yeah. No, I've been watching the Inside Boys, which is the Virus Boys.

[00:41:59]Um, but yeah, Boys is great. Boys is perfect.

[00:42:01]>> What's the Inside Boys? Well, they're inside boys because they're not compared to the outside boys, but they're but they're also inside. No god, not that.

[00:42:08]That's a different inside boy.

[00:42:10]>> That boy's out now.

[00:42:14]>> What are you watching other than Survivor?

[00:42:17]>> Uh, Survivor. Madmen.

[00:42:19]>> Oh, yeah. You're watching Mad.

[00:42:20]>> Oh. Oh, I had never seen the first scary movie all the way through.

[00:42:25]>> Oh, that's funny. I watched that over and over again.

[00:42:27]>> So, Kelly and I watched it last weekend.

[00:42:30]it. Uh, it's so many parts of it are so funny and so many parts of it are like, you can't do that in a movie.

[00:42:36]>> You cannot do that in a movie. Like, you couldn't do it then. You definitely can't do it now. Um, and I'm almost like, what was the joke? What was the joke to coach me?

[00:42:46]>> I was like, I was about to say, are you talking about the coach?

[00:42:48]>> That to me was the one. I mean, there's a couple other things, but that was a big one where I'm like, >> because they thought that trans people were funny to make fun of in the '90s.

[00:42:56]>> That one was the joke. Like I feel like even if I did see that in the ' 90s, I'd be like, "Okay, but what's the other?"

[00:43:01]Cuz so many of the other jokes are hold up. Like they are they do such a good job.

[00:43:05]>> It's just the joke of seeing like a woman with balls they thought was just so funny. They were like, "Oh my god."

[00:43:11]>> Yeah. It's pretty mean-spirited. Um pretty pretty transphobic. Um but they do like there was one joke where I'm like, "Oh, Doofy." I was like, "That's one like you cannot do it now."

[00:43:22]>> Oh, and they're still doing Dofy. But what they do with Dofy at the end of that movie, I just stood up and I was like, "Oh my god, the fact that they they pulled that off and I didn't see it coming." Like, I didn't know that's how it ended. I'd only seen like the middle section of the movie as >> well, it doesn't matter anymore cuz Duffy is now Doofy again.

[00:43:38]>> Dof.

[00:43:39]Okay. Well, all right.

[00:43:40]>> He's Doofy. But he could end this movie, the newest movie, doing the same thing being like, "It was just a joke."

[00:43:45]>> The the slow motion drop in the mug. I went, "Kelly, oh my god."

[00:43:50]>> Um, Scary Movie. Scary Movie 2 is my favorite. Um, >> that's the one I had seen all the way through.

[00:43:54]>> Scary movie 3 I saw in the theaters >> and I love Scare Movie 3 and I love Scare Movie 4.

[00:43:59]>> Never seen Scary Movie 4.

[00:44:01]>> Um, Scare Movie 4 is fun. Scare Movie 3 is also really fun. I really like Scare Movie 3. Um, >> it's ridiculous. That's where it just gets away from scary movies. It's like >> that's when they left. That's when they left. But like it's so The eight Mile is so funny.

[00:44:17]>> Woo. It's so stupid. It's so stupid. the larger larger hat.

[00:44:21]>> Yeah, >> that was my funniest and he goes, "I need a ride home."

[00:44:26]>> The guy sitting on the ground >> or or when Charlie Sheen is like ripping the hot dog in half like, "Oh yeah, >> let me explain." Takes the the donut.

[00:44:34]>> No, no more. She's dying. It's okay.

[00:44:36]Sorry, but scary movie.

[00:44:38]>> The first scary movie. Like overall, it's crazy to see like Anna Ferris like that was like her first breakout role and she crushed >> and she was so young too.

[00:44:46]of Nev Campbell and uh Jennifer Love Hewitt like I'm sorry it's my complicated life and then she runs away like she crushes it. It's so [ __ ] funny. Um >> she runs away.

[00:45:00]>> The this year's scary movie I think is going to be like I don't know if I should say the surprise hit of the summer, but it's going to be >> it's going to be so much fun. I'm so excited when I when we I can't remember.

[00:45:10]Were you in the the Paramount panel? I don't think I was cuz you you told me about the funny joke that happened and I was like I'm so sorry.

[00:45:16]>> There is a crazy joke that we saw. I think it was like the biggest response from anything in the Paramount panel and that's a panel that had like I think I think Johnny Depp came out and got a stand ovation.

[00:45:27]>> Oh yeah, you Yeah, you told me Johnny >> I'm telling you the scary movie reaction was way bigger than that. Snoop Dogg was Universal Universal >> cuz uh they're doing a like a Snoop Dog origin movie like Straight Out of Compton >> which I'm excited.

[00:45:38]>> I don't need it.

[00:45:39]>> No, I'm excited. I love Straight Out of Compton. Straight out of Compton was okay. Yeah, it was good.

[00:45:44]>> But that was one where they brought out the guy playing young Snoop Dogg and they didn't let him say anything. He just goes, "Hey." And just walks out.

[00:45:50]That happened a few times at Cynicon where they would just bring someone out just be like and they're like, "Shut up.

[00:45:55]Get off me. Be quiet.

[00:45:56]>> Shut up. Don't say anything."

[00:45:57]>> No, not for ours. They let the Rocky kids talk the entire time.

[00:46:00]>> That was great.

[00:46:01]>> And I said, "I don't know who these are." And then as soon as I saw that trailer, I said, "Now I know who these are."

[00:46:06]>> I like that's Rocky's little [ __ ] twin. I was like, "That [ __ ] kid.

[00:46:10]What the [ __ ] Get that kid out and get [ __ ] Creed OUT OF THERE TOO. THAT GUY I WAS LIKE THAT GUY looks just like him.

[00:46:15]>> He's that movie.

[00:46:16]>> That that movie was when they were like nah we're tired of people not looking like the cast.

[00:46:20]>> Or it's not I love Rocket. It's I am Rocky.

[00:46:22]>> I am Rocky. Yeah. And it's the making of the Rocky movie. Which I genuinely think is very I knew about the making of Rocky. I think that's the [ __ ] most entertaining ridiculous ass [ __ ] in the world. And when they were like we're making this movie I was like that's going to be so [ __ ] funny. I don't think they're going to include the part where he kind of took the idea of someone. But >> we'll see.

[00:46:38]>> We'll see. It It's one of the most interesting how it was made ever.

[00:46:42]>> And it only works for I'm so sorry, but it only works for that man. I think I think in that world because they were so like I'm I'm sure so many people have tried doing the Rocky that have been like, "Nope, I have to star in it." And they're like, "Well, then we just won't buy in it." the the Rocky franchise is one of the most fascinating franchises in this industry because it when we think of like mega franchises like Jurassic Park, Star Wars, Marvel, James Bond, Batman, they all kind of have like a big picture has to be on a big screen.

[00:47:10]The first Rocky is like an intimate sports movie. It's it's it's like a you know coming of age scrappy story of like a guy. It's it's like a small budget movie and all the Rocky movies they like the biggest things about them is like how jacked they get. But even then it's the same guy just trying to like >> I don't know the fourth one is crazy cuz it's like a cold war story. But then when they rebooted the story with Ryan Cougler and Michael B. Jordan, it kept that small intimacy. And then they've made so many spin-offs and stories and they're all interesting and they're all important to us, you know.

[00:47:44]>> I love Rocky. Rocky I love the mythology. I mean, just the Balboa movie, remember? Like, we've already done the deconstruction Rocky and it always works.

[00:47:53]>> I love Rocky. It works.

[00:47:55]>> I think that was Rocky Baloa, right? Was that the fifth one where he comes back?

[00:47:58]No, that might have been the sixth one.

[00:48:00]I don't have the the numbers in my head.

[00:48:02]>> I can't even imagine it. I stop at like three or four.

[00:48:06]>> No, but then you you watch the Ryan Cougler one, right?

[00:48:08]>> Yeah, I watched Ryan Cougler once.

[00:48:11]>> The >> second one is not good. The second one's okay. It's not that great, but that's because Ryan Cougler wasn't working on it. Ryan Cougler was on Black Panther.

[00:48:18]>> Oh, and I I mean it's crazy to watch the one with Michael B or with uh with >> John the Major.

[00:48:24]>> John the Major. The chemistry of those two.

[00:48:26]>> It was that was supposed to be our sinners, which is so insane to think about. They were supposed to play brothers instead of twins. Honestly, they're the crazy. I would as as a person, if I was directing or casting, I'd be like, "We shouldn't make them twins. We should just recast." I would have been like, "I don't know if we should just make them twins." Um them choosing to make Michael B. Jordan act against Michael B. Jordan and Sinners was a great idea. I'm so This is why I'm not working on that movie. But it was supposed to be John the Majors and after Creed 3, it was like, "Yeah, they're great for each other, dude. They play off each other so [ __ ] well." Him playing stack would have been so good.

[00:48:58]>> It would have been great. It would have been so [ __ ] great.

[00:49:01]>> A different movie for sure.

[00:49:02]>> It would have been a different movie for sure. One I think I love. Like I think it would have worked.

[00:49:06]>> It would have been great. But I love that Michael B. Jordan got to flex different muscles. And I want I want physically physically, but like I love that he got to the flex his different muscles cuz that man's a great actor.

[00:49:17]Let him play different parts of >> How excited are you for Thomas Crown affair?

[00:49:20]>> I am so excited. So great. I'm so damn good.

[00:49:24]>> I'm so proud of him.

[00:49:25]>> It's coming next year. Like that's going to be like sleeper. Not even I keep saying sleeper. It's not. It's going to be an absolute hit.

[00:49:32]>> I And also it's for the people that are like, "Yeah, we're waiting for James Bond. We're not going to get James Bond." I haven't watched I haven't watched Thomas Crown Affair. uh the old ones with what's a good one. That's a one I have seen. I didn't see the earlier earlier on.

[00:49:44]>> I've not seen the Pierce ones, but I want I'm going to now because I'm like, "Oh, this looks really cool." I love I also just love action movies like that where we got to protect this art >> or steal this art >> or steal this art. I love a heist. Oh, >> it's a it's a good heist movie. It's going to be like It's got vibes of tenant and Oceans 11.

[00:50:02]>> Now, let me ask you something. Are you excited for Crucifixion season 6?

[00:50:08]Are you excited for uh The Resurrection Part One and The Resurrection Part Two?

[00:50:12]>> Wait, is that what it's called?

[00:50:13]>> This time next year, we're going to be talking about those movies and it's going to be interesting. The Mel Gibson Patch of the Christ sequels. There's two of them and they are coming out before and after Easter this time next year.

[00:50:25]>> It's going to make me sad.

[00:50:27]>> Brace yourselves. It's going to make you sad.

[00:50:29]>> I'm going to go, "No, not Jesus.

[00:50:32]>> No.

[00:50:33]>> How could they DO THAT TO OUR BOY?

[00:50:34]>> HOW COULD THEY DO THAT TO HIM? LOOK HOW THEY MASSACRED OUR BOY.

[00:50:36]>> OH, HIS HANDS. His hands.

[00:50:39]>> But it's the resurrection, Jess. He's coming out.

[00:50:42]>> That's true. Oh, he's coming. I'm coming out.

[00:50:44]>> He's going to move that boulder and then just put those centurions to sleep and then he's going to fly away.

[00:50:50]>> That's crazy. I don't think that's how it's going to go, but I like >> it's going to be action. He's just going to walk through the streets like Peter Parker in Spider-Man 3.

[00:51:00]>> Jesus Christ. Superstar.

[00:51:02]>> Oh my god. Do you think Mel Gibson [ __ ] hates that musical?

[00:51:06]>> That musical? What are you talking about? Peter >> Jesus Christ Superstar.

[00:51:10]>> Oh, I don't know how Mel Gibson feels about musicals.

[00:51:14]>> Well, isn't he in one? He's John Smith.

[00:51:17]>> He does the speaking voice of John Smith and Pocahontas, but >> I don't think John Smith sings really to be fair. Whatever. I don't want to hear that man talk anyways.

[00:51:25]>> Oh man. So, uh yeah, I think we should I don't know. Uh, we should do an episode on like the non Doomsday, non Supergirl stuff from Shon because there's a lot of interesting movies.

[00:51:35]>> Talking about the crucifixion, >> but like Varity, the other uh Anne Hathaway movie that's coming out.

[00:51:42]>> Yeah, that one looks good. And I don't like Colleen Hoover that much, but I that one looks pretty good.

[00:51:46]>> We should just do a whole episode on Whalefall.

[00:51:48]>> No, I'm good.

[00:51:50]>> No, I'm sorry.

[00:51:51]>> The crazy [ __ ] that we saw.

[00:51:52]>> That is like That's crazy that >> we're ready for the doomsday news and we're like, hold on, what? It was so long and it could have been only like 5 minutes and it felt like it was an hour and I was like, "Please turn this off."

[00:52:03]>> It It's a movie I will see this year and it will be the most uncomfortable I've ever been in.

[00:52:07]>> I can see it at my house cuz I can pause it and take myself out of the situation >> and just get a whale plushy and you punch it cuz you're in charge.

[00:52:14]>> No, I love the whale. It's not the whale's fault. It's the human's fault.

[00:52:17]That whale in there. That whale is evil.

[00:52:19]>> There's no such thing as an evil whale.

[00:52:20]>> Oh, you know who's the real piece of [ __ ] in that is the squid. Cuz at some point this squid >> No, those squids eat human on they fight.

[00:52:27]>> But the squid's done. The squid's done for. And still he's like, I'm going to bring Austin Abrams down with me.

[00:52:32]>> No, he didn't think about it. He was JUST LIKE, OH, PLEASE. I'M TRYING TO SURVIVE.

[00:52:36]>> SO, HE CLINGS TO A LITTLE SPECK of a human.

[00:52:37]>> You're clinging on to anything. You're clinging on to anything.

[00:52:40]>> [ __ ] that squid.

[00:52:41]>> Nah, I think I think that human shouldn't have been in their [ __ ] habitat.

[00:52:46]>> The world is our habitat.

[00:52:47]>> No, it isn't.

[00:52:48]>> We don't have to ask permission to go in the water on the [ __ ] roads we build.

[00:52:51]If you go to the beach, Jess, do you knock on the waves and go in there, man?

[00:52:56]>> I can't swim. And I go, that's sharkinfested waters because that's their home. I don't need to be all in there. See, I don't get involved. I don't get involved even with spirits.

[00:53:05]Now, NOW WE'RE GETTING ON THE SPIRIT TALK. And you know, I don't like spirit talk. It scares the [ __ ] out of me.

[00:53:10]>> The airline.

[00:53:11]>> Oh, no. Not the airline, which I will give money if we're all trying to chip in to bring it back.

[00:53:18]>> Are we chipping? Yeah. Did you not see led spypirit.com?

[00:53:21]>> No. What I do think we need to have is a lowbudget airline option.

[00:53:25]>> Yeah, they're trying to bring it for us.

[00:53:27]>> Is Spirit the right person to do that?

[00:53:28]>> Well, I think if we own it and we'll own parts of it.

[00:53:31]>> Oh, you mean like a government subsidized airline?

[00:53:33]>> Yeah, it's like how uh uh No, like how uh is it the Green Bay Packers are owned by the people, not by the That's what we're trying to Yeah, that's what we're trying to do. That's what I say we like.

[00:53:42]I'm in charge of this. That's what they're trying to do. Okay. I got to note the boys.

[00:53:48]Thank you so much to Brian for producing this episode and to Eric Gord for editing this episode. Big thanks to uh Brian and Abby and Joshua, our editors at New Rockstars. You can follow me at EA Boss. Follow Jessica at Lulu Clemens.

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