Gatchalian bloc calls Cayetano-led flood control probe 'bogus' | Sen. Raffy Tulfo | On Point

Added: 2026-06-05

[00:00:00]Heat. Heat. [music] [music] >> [music] [music] >> Heat. [music] Heat.

[00:00:44][music] >> [music] [music] >> Good evening. I'm Pinky [music] Webb.

[00:01:07]Tonight, we ask the questions, we tackle the issues, we clarify matters, and we get ongoing.

[00:01:25]The deep divisions in the Senate front and center [music] once again. This after a defiant Kayatano block pushed through with an investigation into the flood control scandal. [music] But the Gachelan faction is pushing back, dismissing Thursday's probe as a bogus hearing.

[00:01:41]When will the Senate gridlock [music] end? Let's get on point with Senator Rafi Tufa. Senator, good to finally see you again in person, sir.

[00:01:50]>> Invitation. [music] Nice to see you again.

[00:01:51]>> I know you've been very busy, sir. First of all, after all these days or even weeks, it's been uh weeks actually since boycott Good news is at least new majority legal atino >> majority new majority >> are we sure majority because siguro once and for all let's try to really understand the position of senator escodero of new majority.

[00:02:46]>> Yes, as far as I'm concerned, as far as I know, although statement right after he's just doing his duty as a senator, as long asependent until such time, then we consider him as part of our team. But was there a meeting? Did you guys talk to him at majority?

[00:03:16]Was there any definitive agreement there?

[00:03:19]>> This is what happened. Uh Pinky uh on that day.

[00:03:34]All the very good news it mean at that time and then after that floor.

[00:04:07]He stayed for no more than 10 minutes.

[00:04:10]Overall, >> I was trying to look at his, you know, facial expression and body language, it was very u stoic.

[00:04:19]Um there was hardly any reaction and even when people came to try to you know hi hi hug him even it wasn't a very I personally sir uh at least from my lens it wasn't a very warm um ches scero that that I saw >> I think the the chieo that you saw at that Senate. So anything like that, but you can see even staff. So happy miss floor.

[00:05:17]Okay, chill chill. Yeah. Senator, were you one one of those that convinced him to move?

[00:05:23]in many of the interviews I saw or and heard Senator Rafi and Irwin or was it Senator Irwin or Senator Rafi?

[00:05:32]>> Yeah, I consider him as a good friend.

[00:05:35]Um actually this what happened.

[00:05:44]Then that was the time and I talked to another friend.

[00:05:50]What if?

[00:05:54]So no promises concession, nothing. And then uh the second time uh dinner get together or something.

[00:06:22]Who were there? You, uh, Senator Cheese, anyone else, sir?

[00:06:26]>> Um, I'd rather not.

[00:06:30]Okay. Senator.

[00:06:32]>> Yeah. Another senator. I see. But again, second, uh, it was like a meeting of >> friends. You know, I guess I'm I'm just asking about that because Makita Senator Cheese on that second time during dinner. I'm Was this in a public place, sir?

[00:06:57]>> No, it was in a public place. It's a It was a private place.

[00:07:01]>> So, you know, away from the public.

[00:07:03]>> Away from the public. It's a It's a house.

[00:07:06]>> Yeah. So I guess uh just to continue on with that, what I'm trying to say is to even have dinner again with you and someone else um you know it's going to be quite uncomfortable easy and or uncomfortable because he was still uh aligned with the Kayatano block.

[00:07:25]>> I don't think so. Um even before even before presidentate president after Senate President every now and then.

[00:07:38]>> I see. So it's very normal for me and him for people to know. So nothing wrong with that.

[00:07:48]>> So um >> nothing abnormal.

[00:07:50]>> Yeah.

[00:07:50]>> Or irregular.

[00:07:51]>> Yeah. Uh because you always uh do this.

[00:07:53]And what what do you was there anything he said that you can share with us that made him move aside from?

[00:08:02]Well, um, so I told him, "What if and he said, "I'll think it over. I'll consult my family."

[00:08:28]>> And then over dinner and then hey, come come to come to my house.

[00:08:38]Let's have dinner. So of course >> everything is uh comfortable okay between the two of you in spite of um the difference the different groups you belong to.

[00:09:02]etc., etc. But she's he's very professional.

[00:09:05]>> Yeah.

[00:09:06]>> All right. So, I want to go back to what happened today because blue ribbon committee hearing. I don't know if that's going to be acceptable to you or your group because I know >> that's bogus hearing. Uh let's press calling them bogus when in fact they're still senators. So let's say they're having a press conference, but it's very unfortunate.

[00:09:48]I think I think it wasn't Alan. I think >> it was Senator Marco.

[00:09:53]>> Marco. He was uncalled for.

[00:09:55]>> Eventually, he was asked about it by the media as well. and uh he clarified the issue and actually issued an apology. So press conference sir um do you think that after what happened yesterday when you guys took over because numero was 12 and 10 >> correct >> and of course ruling 1949 ruling invoke spo senator drillon back then in 2015 March 5 March March the month of March 2015.

[00:10:38]How can this actually how can this proceed if the group still is saying that what you guys did is illegal?

[00:10:46]Because at the end of the day, what they're saying is what you need is 13.

[00:10:50]And what you're saying, the group of your your group is saying no, we need 12.

[00:10:54]>> The problem with him, like I said earlier, is doesn't know how to accept defeat.

[00:11:07]House of Representative Supreme Court. So in factource So Marinesource, but that was supposed to happen today, acting senate president and and even your brother Senator Winource invitation. But of course the other group is saying you are what you did yesterday was invalid.

[00:12:04]legit bluebon.

[00:12:09]In other words, Senator Allan was saying that you know what I noticed senator um like what happened today sir Irwin but yet Senator Pia is saying that I am the committee chairman of the blue ribbon committee. So to the point that Marines was it the I forget which room that was Wednesday we declared all positions vacant chairman different committee. So and then once after after we did that we were immediately recognized by the house of representative we were recognized by the executive May 5 2015 that time senator Lauren also present at that time that's right >> was pia 12 so at this What what do you what do you see what do you foresee happening sir? I mean I understand the argument that you're raising. I spoke about this with former Senate President Frankie.

[00:13:50]Yes. But the other side is still saying 13 is the magic number. In other words, Senator, if only one person, another person jumped to the new majority, this would be solved. Do you think there's a possibility soon?

[00:14:09]Well, one special session or two in the morning.

[00:14:37]That is correct. Now, impeachment outnumber.

[00:14:41]We amended the rules.

[00:14:45]Impeachment manager manager. So, impeachment day 12 and 10. All right, that's correct. We need to take a very short break. We'll continue our discussion with Senator Rafi Tufo when we return. [music] Stay tuned. This is on point.

[00:15:18]>> When there are incidents like this, you call the police agencies. You call the NBI.

[00:15:22]>> The only thing I saw was catering. So if you if you were really scared, I wouldn't be playing chess.

[00:15:29]Point blank. If there was really [music] a shooting, the first thing that Osah should do is to go to the senators, give them bulletproof vest, put them in a safe position [music] instead of living there in the lounge and eating catering.

[00:15:41]>> Thursday, >> 8:00 p.m. only on Billio News Channel.

[00:15:50]>> Welcome back. still with [music] us, Senator Rafi Tufo. Senator, in today's hearing, 18 Marines uh senators today like Senator Allen, Senator Maruetta, that you know during the previous hearing, for example, to cut a long story short, sir, Meta Senator Sto Senator Irwin Senator Sto and Senator Win for your brother.

[00:16:31]Okay. I talked to about that and it's a total lie.

[00:16:45]There was one home ownersh.

[00:17:10]And then also before was it Marlet or Villi, sir?

[00:17:24]>> I'm sorry. Sorry. I'm sorry. Um um Billy Lauren >> actually that's what also Senator Irwin said a while ago mentional Senator Lauren and Senator.

[00:17:39]Yes. So um but the this group is saying this is the real this is the true uh investigation into the flood control scandal.

[00:17:52]What do you say to that sir?

[00:17:55]Um they can form the kind of narrative that they want. Nobody can question them from our group.

[00:18:08]Okay.

[00:18:13]No resource person. [music] So in that case, [music] but uh even and I know this is your brother, this is not you, sir, but um these are stories that come out, but they even went as uh also talked about human trafficking. Senator Irwin.

[00:18:50]Yeah, I talked to as well pertaining to that character.

[00:19:12]So I don't know he will file a cyber liance case against them. All right, Senator and with all of you s Monday because the plan is on Monday at 9:00 a.m. I believe. Do you think it should continue? Because I also heard an interview earlier that your brother was saying forum 18.

[00:19:57]Of course, that was off uh not supposed to be included in the records of the Senate. Do you think should they be invited sir? Should they face you guys?

[00:20:06]And number two, do you think they they will show up?

[00:20:10]>> Well, it depends on them. If they won't show up then.

[00:20:18]So those things are open option to to us.

[00:20:29]This is not about the new legitimate majority. This is not about blood control. There's a blue reborn. This is about legitimate legitimize majority. So um Monday Marines this time during that press conference because even with Senator of course he denied mention EA and apparently according to him his EA passed away since 2015.

[00:21:16]So at that time supposed to be at that time. All right. So you're for um pursuing the blue ribbon committee hearing on the flood control scandal this coming Monday. Do you wonder sir uh like today Bank Villar Senator Bongo Senator Joel Villian hearing today >> first of all I'm not really sure >> DRC >> as members but still members they should have attended that committee hearing Now bakason I don't know I don't want to second guess you might was want to ask him why were you not there >> yeah exactly >> during that press conference >> if I could just get them sir all right so uh okay soap 12 block versus the block sir um the other day or Senator Cheese was that you were telling Senator Senate President Alan Peter at that time.

[00:22:51]So what do you think of him now? I stand by it.

[00:22:56]The reason why I said that Facebook is against us or against anybody then do it on the floor.

[00:23:24]That's why Facebook I remember one time he said that you you guys never really gave him a fair chance >> when he was Senate President.

[00:23:40]>> I never gave him a fair chance. Fair Senate President Right after Senator Ro who's been in hiding for 6 months.

[00:24:11]M and then >> you're sarcastic, right? [laughter] Okay. Just making sure, sir.

[00:24:20]>> And then after afternoon, brown out.

[00:24:35]Oh, am I being sarcastic?

[00:24:37]>> Very. [laughter] I got it now, sir. All right. What are the possible things that can be done?

[00:24:43]special session from my understanding sir is you need to ask for the president for a special session seek >> the president will will make a proclamation and then special session and special session of Senate and then other legitative issues up to 30 days.

[00:25:20]>> I see. I see.

[00:25:22]>> Duration.

[00:25:22]>> I see.

[00:25:25]um th this senator Wachelian or is the presiding officer or the senate president proemporary that is recognized by which you said Clare Castro already said here's the thing siranep under the block no executive juristprudence from the Supreme Court and 2015. So even the House of Representative.

[00:26:02]So same thing with the executive press conference from the government whatever government agency that was there's nothing they can do.

[00:26:22]>> So what we can expect from the Senate right now is a hearing on Monday.

[00:26:27]>> There will be a legitimate hearing on Monday. Okay. blue ribbon and uh Marines the 18 Marines will be invited. I don't know it depends on the committee chair and maybe resource persons who are going to be invited.

[00:26:41]>> Is are the senators still invited to join the new majority now except Alan Peter sir? Ah yeah senators invited.

[00:27:00]Ah so now you're you're you're inviting him. Okay.

[00:27:06]Do you think sir that you can actually really work together? Because honestly sir, I see a lot of strained um relationships or you know not so >> you know what I'll tell you this um before all these things happened.

[00:27:35]So I consider him as a friend.

[00:27:38]for how do you see him now? Um But there's nothing he can do.

[00:28:27]sign. But of course that's necessary. As long as you get to 13, there's no need to resign or step down. Who knows? Well, then are you optimistic though?

[00:28:38]>> Of course.

[00:28:41]Optimistic. [laughter] >> All right. So, Senator, again, pleasure to have you. [music] Appreciate you coming here to the studio and I hope to speak to you again.

[00:28:50]>> Thank you.

[00:28:51]>> Good luck to the Senate, sir.

[00:28:52]>> Thank you.

[00:28:53]>> All right. [music] >> Please pray for us.

[00:28:55]>> That's on point. Join us again tomorrow, 7:30 p.m. here on BNC, the Billionario [music] News Channel. I'm Pinky Webb.

[00:29:01]Thank you for watching.

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