Leftist politics has evolved from its historical focus on Black liberation and civil rights to encompass broader social issues, including LGBTQ+ rights, which has sparked debate about whether this expansion dilutes the movement's core mission. Critics argue that leftist movements have become too broad and fragmented, losing focus on the most pressing issues affecting marginalized communities like Black people, while supporters contend that expanding the movement's scope is necessary for comprehensive social justice. The discussion highlights the tension between prioritizing specific group interests versus building a unified front for systemic change, and raises questions about whether leftist policies genuinely improve material conditions for all people or primarily serve to redistribute power and resources.
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You're basically just complaining. You know what I mean? You're talking about nothing. So, I actually like to have the discussion instead of just talking about nothing. All right, we got we got Chosen One up on the board. Uh, Chosen One, how's it going? Are you at least 18? And uh, do you disagree with what I have on the board?
Chosen one, you there? I said chosen one. Sorry. Uh, real deal. Real deal.
Are you there?
>> Yeah, I'm here.
>> All right. Real deal.
>> All right. Real, how's it going, real?
Um, are you at least 18? And did you disagree with what I have on the board?
>> Yeah. Well, I I'm, you know, I'm I'm I'm a little bit confused about the definition of leftist policies because nowadays it's too broad. And I I feel that like you know as a black person right I feel that they've left us like they left us left us and they are now concentrating on people that we did not sign on to. So it's very difficult nowadays like because the whole concept of leftism >> I'm sorry um um real deal can you um clarify that for for me a little bit?
What do you mean as black people um people we didn't sign up for? Like what what does that mean?
Yeah, if if I recall very well, right, the leftist was virtually um in favor of you know um like fighting against segregation, ensuring that we had a lot of African-Americans and black people in governance positions and like pushing the agenda for the the cause of the black person such as somebody like Martin Luther King Jr. laid his life down for that. Malcolm X also did the same thing for that. Maros Gabby. So I know that is a foundational principle of being somebody on the left, >> right?
>> But you know, today it's something like, you know, it's it's it's gotten into some other area that we never expected is going to get to >> like what?
>> So that is why I have a little bit confusion about this. Yeah.
>> Like what?
>> Like like this bedroom stuff, you know?
>> Exactly. you you realize that leftist um um leftists even black leftists even from back then um were had uh not only had support but a lot of them did support the LGBTQ community like um what's his name um Huie P Newton Hu P Newton said besides uh African-Americans the um LGBTQ are one of the most oppressed groups >> it it's interesting that they are also one of the richest people in this in the world Like for example, somebody like Napoleon Bonapat who was like a colonialist, someone who actually enslaved a lot of black people. He was someone who was like cons was one of them.
>> And so is Yeah, he was he was he was a G. Okay. He was like, you know, >> was he white?
>> Uhhuh.
>> Yeah, he was white. Bonaf a French military general. There you go. But the thing is, are there black um LGBTQ people?
>> Like I I wonder like >> real deal real deal. I just need to answer you answer the question. Yes, they are. All right. So you you realize that a white LGBTQ person and a black LGBTQ person in America will have completely different experiences, right?
>> Of course.
>> Right. All right. So blackness also applies to them. So our policies will also apply to them. So, we should be worried more about our um our people if you want to be like, you know, more worried about black folks. That includes LGBTQ people. So, let's worry about them and not worry about what the racist white people want because there are racist LGBTQ people. No one denies that, >> right? Black LGBTQ people tell that all the time. They're they're they're racist there all the time. But, um what what leftist policies are about is uh about um at least socially, you know, freedom of expression. these people should have the right to be who they are without imputing on anybody else. Um, and definitely with nobody imputing on them.
What's the problem?
>> Because it takes focus away from us.
Because at the end of the day, right, you see the people who are most segregated against like when it come to the inner cities are, they are not white LGBT people. It's black. They don't care. Like if a policeman stops you on the street on the road and is trying to harass you, he doesn't ask you your sexuality.
>> Of course, >> he just go looks at your skin color and then harasses you.
>> So we have a bigger like, you know, trigger on our head, you know. So I >> of course the but the thing is though when it comes to to leftism, especially black leftism, we do um acknowledge that, right? We do acknowledge that when it comes to um um black LGBTQ people, their issues are far different from the white ones because a lot of the white ones were fighting for marriage, which is something that is fine that that that should happen, I believe. But a lot of their activism kind of stopped there when black act when black LGBTQ people were fighting for you know home um like homelessness rights because a lot of them are are homeless were fighting for more um u medical services because they get discriminated against in there. So they were fighting more for for survival you know I mean that's the white privilege that people talk about. So, it's not that, you know, LGBTQ rights are going to suddenly distract from from from the issues that black people go through because I think we should um walk in chew gum, right? Because those issues that I just talked about, you know, uh like uh affordability, uh shelter, um medication, and access to medication that also goes for straight black people. Police brutality as well, that also goes for straight black people. So, they're not really having a a different thing. is just that we have to acknowledge that as an LGBTQ black person, they may have uh they may have an extra or a different struggle or a different lens than I have as a straight black person, but we still have the same struggle being black people. Does that make sense?
>> That's that's an interesting take on it.
But I I see it like this. Like for example, right, I see like we bringing in LGBT like into our black civil rights kind of um fight, right? As more like not I don't see more like somebody walking and chewing gum. I actually see that somebody walking crossing a busy road like looking looking at his phone because it's extremely dangerous for me like to think about it that way because um you see within the black community we have segregation. It's it's so real, right? People get unal alive. Like if you remember George Floyd's scenario, >> he was literally unalied by some racist cops. It's it's real. It leads to unalignment, you know. So if we are going to fight against this, we should make sure that we fight as a united group. And remember within the black community, majority of the black community are people who like a lot of them are conservatives. Actually, a lot of black people are conservatives. They don't subscribe to LGBT kind of thing.
>> So if we now bring it into our fold, what are we doing?
>> We are virtually dividing ourselves. How can a divided front ever stand?
>> Why should we be a divided front though?
That that's what I'm saying. Because black LGBTQ people, what you're talking about, they also deal with. So, I'm not I'm not understanding why we should um not include them into the fold because they also um suffer from um acute forms of oppression. Like a black LG LGBTQ person is is also deals with the the issue of like hospitals think that they're drugseeking or they affemin uh gay black men, you know what I'm saying? And and try to brutalize them.
They also deal with sexual assault from police officers just like our young men do. You know what I mean? I don't think that because we say they're a black LGBTQ person and they deal with things that are within um that affect them not just under white supremacy but with them discrimination within us as black people as well. Therefore, we're we're divided.
All it's saying is that we need to let go of the discrimination that we have against them, >> you know. Okay. So in that particular angle, let's say the fight was only for black LGBTQ because they go through the same kind of challenges we do probably I would have said okay but this is the case where we are not fighting for black LGBTQ if that that particular it's actually stretched to both the white Asian and everybody else. So the point is to me I see that that's a lot of like you know too much wasted energy like it's not concentrated because at the end of the day I asked myself that is what is the value of focus if you so what are we even fighting for because at the end of the day like you know um you are fighting for a whitey person who is also a gra racist individual >> and you're also saying that you're also fighting for a black person who is being oppressed by that same white person that you are fighting to protect their rights. So I see this as a lot of confusion in our society and >> right >> that is my opinion anyway.
>> I I I got you. But when it comes to to uh to to leftist policies, right? Um the the black left um is is is still all still about um self-determination especially for black people, right?
We're we're still all about that. But um the policies that that that we will fight for, it will still benefit everyone. Yeah. You know what I mean?
Like uh when I when I advocate for like singlepayer healthare, that's not something that only black people will get. Everybody will get it. You see what I'm saying? But it would especially advantage black people because of our position. You know what I mean? Our material condition, it will especially advantage us. But um if we influence every single payer healthcare, I'm not saying that we're only fighting for it for only for black people to get it. You know what I'm saying? That's that would be kind of kind of silly. Like when we talk about society, we're talking about all of society, right? But I'm also not a class reductionist. I'm not saying that there's no war but class war. I'm saying that um that these policies will benefit all of us.
And when it comes to black people specifically, it would also be advantageous towards us and we need to fight for self-determination for things against like white supremacy because even if we go to socialism tomorrow, that doesn't mean that white supremacy disappears. So that racial lens is still there. That's that's all I'm trying to say. Does that make sense?
>> Okay. Yeah, I get I get what you're saying. I get what you're saying and well I I get what you're saying and it makes a lot of sense. But I would sorry I'll say sorry you need some Okay.
So I'll say this right. I think that like what being what is what is the definition of being like what is the foundation requirement for leftism right? Is it for protection of specific kind of group of individuals or it's for any particular life? Because I I I think about it that um you know existentially >> Mhm.
>> And we we live in a society where some group of people okay hold almost all the power >> economic power, political power, the military, almost everything.
>> So we are not just minority in number we also minority in power as well. And at the end of the day to me I think that there should be a focus to try as much as possible if you don't cannot even equate the power at least get some like significant hold of that kind of like power differential you know but I this is my opinion in a way but I would say that if we want to do that I think we need to achieve the most important like on terms of priority right we need to actually achieve the most important one that has the most significant impact before now we have the luxury because it's like we are handling the luxurious items before what is essential you know so that is what that is my opinion about it I think that we are it's like we a little bit confused as a society honestly speaking as especially leftist right >> yeah I think that yeah that is what I think anyway >> I mean um like what what um um what what I would say is that the Um there there is an issue on the left where there are too many groups, too many parties, right? Um leftists ourselves have said that before. Like y'all, there's just too many of them. Yeah. I mean, we need to centralize our our platform and uh go out there as one united front because that's what conservatives do. They go out there in one united front. We don't tend to do that. You see what I'm saying? So, um I would agree there where there there could be that little confusion. Um, but I would also uh say that it's clear on uh basically what exactly we want because all them kind of agree with each other in different degrees. You see what I'm saying? So, uh, as far as uh a central black platform, yeah, I think we need to have that. Uh, again, like um I don't think the Black Panthers will ever come back, but there should be something like it in uh in the future to fight for self-determination for for black people.
I would just um include LGBTQ people in that and I don't have a I don't see a reason not to. Yeah. You see what I mean?
>> Okay. Perfect. You know, I I was I was asking myself two times like during the election cycle, how did the DJT become president? Okay. How did Because if you look at it carefully, a lot of the people that we lost who actually went to vote for DJT, they were actually black people. The question is that how did it happen? you know it shouldn't have happened but how did it happen analyzing it okay the people who voted for DJT most of them they were still under segregation you know but how did they switch because they didn't accept the values that we have we're now pushing like the people leading the front of the fight because most of them well they are and majority of the vote for the leftist is coming from the black community we have to that one is straight to the Right.
>> Yeah. It's the black community. So our interest, the question is that our interest being pushed at the head or is being put at the tail? And I think that most of them, you know, felt that it's like the focus has now shifted from what is important to the black people now to this LGBT community. And remember most of these LGBT community, they are people who have a lot of money. Look at the Apple's um TV. Is this No, >> Steve Jobs. No, I I I I get what you're saying. No, I I get what you're saying because that that um that's how it feels like they push our issues to the back because the Democrats uh they do virtue signal and they do um just latch on to the moment. You know, I mean, whatever the social moment is right now, they're going to latch on to it. That's what the Democrats do. Which is why I think o over here on the on the left, especially for black people, we may need to break off and form our own party. Like the Congressional Black Caucus needs to be its own thing instead of the part of the Democrats. You know what I'm saying? The only reason why we do is because the Democrats have the money, they have the platform, etc. So using them in order to push our policies, especially in the local elections, is an important thing to do. But I do get the need for for black people especially to push for our own party. I don't disagree with you there because it seems like the Democrats operate on benign neglect. It doesn't even seem that way. That that's the way it is. They operate that way.
So, we need to um either push for our own party or the Congressional Black Cong the Congressional Black Caucus.
They cannot be a rubber stamp anymore.
We have to run people against them in in those seats. But I get everything that you um that that you that you mean in those concerns like those are not um those are not uh like uh small concerns.
They are major major concerns. And I think that's based on the fact that when it comes to our society, capitalism is an ideology. So for someone to be taken care of, another person has to lose. And we bring that into our politics. If we're going to be talking about LGBTQ people, we can't talk about black people. We're going to talk about black people, we can't talk about children.
Talk about children, we can't talk about women. You see what I'm saying? So we can do them all at once. It's just that we need need to have a centralized platform. But I do get your concern.
Like your concern is not unwarranted. I I do understand it. Like I I feel where you're coming from.
>> All right. So, so just to conclude on my point, I think that it's it's very it's a very interesting conversation and I would like leftism what does it mean right what is the value of let is to protect people who are like economically because this political systems at the end of the day is all about economy right so people are who are being economically differentized I realized that women yeah women economically differentized in society and black our our race of course we are being economically differentized you want to go for a loan they look at you in another way you want to go for admission in school it's not even when you want to even buy something from a shop like they background they do background check that you never do on it so these are real economic impact that we feel but LGBT is it going to buy a car I don't think going for a loan I don't think but it's true so to me like like the conversation is very clear right >> the focus is very important so to me I think that the the the divergence of the focus is probably what is making us lose a lot of our brothers to this BJT party.
But >> yeah, >> yeah, I got you. But another thing about it is that, you know, it's just discrimination. They don't like LGBTQ people and it's usually for no reason or it's for religious reasons. You know what I mean? Um, which in my opinion is is kind of ridiculous. Even as when I was a religious person, I didn't want these people harmed. You see what I'm saying? So them gaining rights is not me losing. But because we think of um you know we think in a capitalist fashion them gaining rights is us losing is kind of that's the that's the thing that we want to change. And when you think in more of a leftist fashion that's when you realize another person gaining popular not popularity but another person gaining more rights more visibility doesn't mean that you're losing and we have to um come to terms with that. I think that's the only reason we lost a lot of um black men to uh Donald J. Trump because of that. You see what I'm saying? But um uh I'm sorry. Real deal. I do got to go ahead and get to another guest.
>> But I I appreciate you being up here.
All right.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I also appreciate the conversation. I think this is the intellectuals that we need in uh within our race. So thank you very much. Thank you very much.
>> Of course. Not a problem. Appreciate you.
>> All right. Hey, how's it going? Uh I appreciate you being here. I got someone up on my >> on my uh >> So, you're gonna talk to them instead or do you want like I just would had a couple of things?
>> Yeah. Yeah, sure. Hey, Prague over on my Streamyard. Uh give me a second. All right.
>> All right.
>> Uh yo, go ahead. Um uh go ahead. Well, what I was going to say is you mentioned the BBP and uh I feel like they initiated SNAPS. SNAP, which is like one of the most profitable uh social programs on the planet, right?
Like for every dollar spent, a$150 goes into the economy, you know? And I I was just going to say I think sometimes on the left, we don't give ourselves enough credit >> for having a high ground. And I know we're going to get we're going to get like panned by the right-wingers no matter what.
>> They're going to call us errorists.
They're going to call us all sorts of names.
>> But I think that we often don't give enough credit to the work that actually has been accomplished by these kinds of like groups and cultural identities and like uh you know like lefty blocks. Oh, 100% 100%. Like um the Black Panthers are the one who came up with Snap and Wick and everything. The Black Panthers are the ones who are the ones who um made free school lunches and breakfastes something that was standard.
Like they were the ones who did that.
100% I agree with you. Yeah, you're right.
>> And that [ __ ] is big profit. Like I I know people don't see it that way, but like summer lunch and school lunches >> like protects kids and protects workers and protects like our communities at large, >> like you know, not just the black community or the white, >> all the communities benefit from these kinds of programs that were again, like you said, are initiated by what were considered radical at the time, >> right? And now we look back and like a lot of the people on the right still consider that stuff radical. That's why they're so mad about it. That's why they're always shaming people for needing help.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. I agree. All right.
I did have someone over on my Streamyard, but I'm not sure what happened. They dropped out. Um, whoever that was over on the Streamyard, go ahead and and and come back. Um, don't know why you dropped out. Uh GP, go ahead and and come up. We can go ahead and talk about that if you would like.
We um I like to have discussions here.
So, go ahead and come back up and then we'll talk about it more. But whoever was on the Streamyard, whoever that guest was, come back because I didn't drop you. Um and I was about to get to you next. All right, y'all.
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>> Yeah. Hello. Sorry about that. I al tab.
So, >> not a problem, Prague. Uh, can you uh put up your volume just a little bit?
You sound a little bit low.
>> Uh, let me try.
>> Hello.
>> All right. Yeah, that's a little better.
All right. Uh, how's it going? Are you at least 18? And, uh, did you disagree with what I had on the board?
>> Oh, yes.
>> Um, so I there the part that I disagree with is a very common thing. So, I'm kind of on the fringe with it.
>> Um, but it's this use of like leftism and the right. I think it's rhetorically kind of um it gives the like quote right a lot more legitimacy than I think that they deserve. And I think there's a kind of natural cognitive bias toward that prefers right over left because most people are right-handed and just like linguistically when someone's correct we also say that they are right >> but when it comes to the actual substance of what the two things are representing like if you the ideas of the right are like um nationalism or um concentration of wealth, their like white supremacy.
When you just talk like if we frame it in the way where we're saying like what they're actually believing in, >> it makes it seem much worse because it actually is much worse. Whereas when we say left and right to someone who has no knowledge going into it, they might immediately consider that, oh well, I want to be right, so I guess I'm on the right.
>> Does that make sense?
>> No, that um that makes sense. That is actually something that we've um that folks have talked about before, how the the language of it uh can can confuse people, man. We need better branding.
Like the branding for the left um you know is not good. So, especially because of um you know, years of cold war propaganda. Um >> which is why which is why I usually say conservative instead of saying like the right. You know what I'm saying? So, I I usually say uh um conservative. Um >> that's true.
>> But I think I think progressive is a pretty good term. It's not perfect, but I think it's better than the left and right framing. Mhm.
>> Um, so yeah, that's kind all I was really talking about. I definitely I think we agree on like substantive belief. It's just a matter of what's the most effective method of achieving it.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. So, I don't disagree. All right. Um, so, uh, not bad. I'll I'll go ahead and see if I can get another guest, but I appreciate you.
>> All right. Thanks. Have a good rest of your day. I'm I'm glad you're doing what you're doing. No, >> I appreciate you.
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>> Uh Houston.
>> Houston, how's it going, Houston? Um, are you at least 18? And did you disagree what I had on the board?
>> Uh, I think what you had on the board was leftist policies are better. Um, and yes, I am 18.
>> All right.
>> I'm 22, but yeah, I'm >> Give me Give me one second. Uh, here over on the TikTok, I see you, Quam. Um, I'm going to go ahead and talk to you in a second. Let me talk to uh my guest here over on the Streamyard. All right.
Appreciate you, Quam. All right.
>> All right. So, Houston, um, what did you dis why do you disagree and did you want to know what policies I'm talking about?
>> Well, I'm not 100% sure if I dis I would just like to know what the standard of better is.
>> The standard of better is um does it improve the uh social and material conditions of people within our society?
And from what I'm seeing, the the leftist policies do that while the right policies just make like thinks the market can handle it. And we've seen like over and over again all the way up until now that the the the market can incentivize things like initification.
It can incentivize racism. It can incentivize profit over people. Those are not good. So I would see like the leftist policies as mitigating those those issues within the within the market and also moving us towards uh an economic system that isn't all about, you know, just constant growth and constant profit. more about um being uh communal with our people and um sharing the environment.
>> Okay. Yeah. So, you're basically saying that leftist policies improve the I don't know if you'd want to say material and maybe like mental uh well-being of people generally.
>> Yes.
>> Yeah. Okay. Um I mean, yeah. I mean, I would say that it depends on the policy. Would you like to you offer to tell me those policies?
>> No, I I agree. It would depend on the on the policy. Um I I I think universal healthcare would improve not only our physical but our mental well-being as well. Um guaranteed housing would definitely improve material conditions as uh people are wouldn't wouldn't need to go homeless or don't go homeless at all. I think um minimum wage tied to your uh inflation and the cost of living in your area would also do that as well.
I think walkable cities and um uh investment into like public transportation will vastly improve our environment or our impact on the environment, things like that.
>> Okay. Yeah. Um let me think about that. Yeah, I I think I would actually agree I would actually agree with a lot of that. the uh the only thing and I get the feeling from the way you're talking this is not what you want to discuss. So I will go ahead and leave after I just say this. I do my main point of contention was going to be rather that the standard it would be more of a philosophical critique of your standard of better and I would just my main critique would just be that if pro uh improving material and mental well-being that that would be arbitrary and that could lead to things like national socialist with like the Darwinist evolution idea of well if you kill a lot of people that is going to ultimately improve things because naturally um suffering is going to be required for the propagation of a greater human race. So >> I get the feeling that's not what that is that this is not what this discussion is.
>> No because because the um the the the Nazis weren't leftists anyway. They they killed the leftists.
>> No, no, no. I understand that for sure.
Um, the Nazis absolutely were not leftist. I would never make that argument. Um, no, what I was say, mine was more of a critique of the my thing would be if that's what you're trying to do, you should adopt the Nazi policies of killing a bunch of people.
>> Why would I do that?
>> That would be my critique. And I'm not saying I agree with that.
>> But why would I do that? Because like um killing a bunch of people is not proving society.
>> Well, it depends on No, it depends on your view of like a qualitative quantitative. Why should I value these people over people of the future?
>> Because people of the future are going to be um living on this planet. Why would I not value them?
>> No, I'm saying why would I not value my my children? That's kind of crazy.
>> No, what I'm saying is that if you if you don't take the Nazi view of suffering is going to be required to build a greater human race, then you're basically saying I value the people here now over them. And I'm just saying why ought we make that um evaluation.
>> I'm not really understanding your question here. Why why ought we make the evaluation of where want to leave a better planet for the future?
>> No. No. My No. My question is you you're you just said you're focused on the material um the material and physical welfare well-being increasing that of the people here today. And I'm saying why ought we prefer doing that rather than increasing the being of people in the future which may require suffering today.
>> It doesn't because it doesn't um the material conditions that um that that we would like to put in place will um benefit the people of the future as well because universal healthcare is not going to stop because this generation dies, right? It's going to keep going.
>> Yeah, that's correct. Let me give you an example though. An example would be like policies to reduce racism, to discourage racism.
>> Um policies that can do that. You can also take a view of that where you say, well, if we want to make sure there's no racism in the future, it could be a end justify the means and we're just going to kill all non-black people. So there will only be black people. So there's a lot of suffering now, but then there will be no suffering due to racism in the future.
>> That would be but that would be silly to do because like amongst black people where um we're not a monolith, right?
There are Haitians, there are Jamaicans, there are African-Americans, there are people from Barbados, people from Nigeria, and even in Nigeria there like 500 e ethnic groups. So like people are going to infight in between each other anyway over over those differences. like there will be no point in saying that we're going to ethnically cleanse all non-black people in order to not have racism like that that issue could still come up. Why would we just uh decrease the psychology of racism?
>> I mean, yeah, that's certainly one that is certainly an alternative view. Um, >> my only question would be like why would we have to take that such an extremist position in order to say we want to improve everybody lives? Why would I say in order to improve everybody lives, we're going to go ahead and wipe off Europeans from the map? That that wouldn't improve everybody lives because the Europeans are part of everybody, right? So, >> it certainly wouldn't improve the Europeans lives.
>> Exactly. So, like why would I do that?
Like I like the thing is I don't I don't see the the logical end goal of leftism being you have to wipe out people that you don't like. That's that I don't I don't see that as a logical conclusion.
>> Yeah. the logical end goal um is going to be improving the me so what I'm basically saying there are you like you said your view of discouraging racism that could be a certain way to look at but what I'm saying is when the ends are when the ends are improve the physical and material um situations of everyone their well-being when those are the ends that leaves open a variety of means that aren't addressed in getting there. So like >> of course we can discuss the means but like why would one of those means be less harm people? That's that seems silly. I don't I I I don't view that as a because in in the left we want to reduce harm as much as possible which is why a lot of leftists are vegans in order to reduce harm as much as possible or suffering as much as possible. So like that's really the the thought process, right? Eliminating a whole bunch of people increases suffering.
What what's the point of doing that? You know what I mean? So it's like I I it's like I I I do get what um what you're saying like um you know the means are not well defined. That's uh that um that's that's a thing you can say the means are not well defined. So we got to make sure that we define the means and crazy people don't use uh leftist language in order to instill fascism because that's what ecoascism is. So I do get that that that part I do get. But I don't think like the that means of having people suffer in order to achieve these goals is now what the left is. I I I I just I I kind of don't don't agree with that. I think what your your worry about making the means uh not not just tangible but uh direct and focused and not vague. I understand that. Like I I I completely agree with you there. But I I just don't think harm and suffering is now vi a viable way to to say we shouldn't do leftism. You see you see what I mean?
>> I Yeah, I completely get what you're saying. Um yeah, my Yeah, I Yeah, and I think uh you represented uh a lot of what I was saying there, but just a little bit more of the critique. The critique partly would be on the the means being a little too vague, but I would say when the end goal is stated >> as something like improving um improving the situation materially, physically, however you want to put it, when it is put as that um I would say that you're operating you're operating under an assumption that that when that when that is stated as the goal and you're operating under the assumption where these things do become um these things do become viable because something like national socialism just as an example I'm not saying that's the left but something like national socialism for example you know that comes out of a like mentality of Darwinism it comes from niche it comes from this like social uh and evolutionary very Darwinism and you know even Hegel synthesis antithesis. No, I'm saying I'm not saying that's the that's the whole view of that.
>> No, Dar Darwinism is Darwin uh came up with uh you know the whole evolution by natural selection and he was right about some things and wrong about others. But biological evolution is just a fact of biology. There's no moral entailment there. It's just a It's just a fact of something that happens in the biological world.
>> Yes, I understand that. I'm not I understand that.
>> Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Everybody's Everybody's talking at the same time. G Give give us one second. Hey, uh how's it going? Uh Sean, I'm sorry. Y Sean is a is a friend of mine. He knows a little bit more about um evolution than I than I do, but I was going to say the same thing. Darwin I mean I said Darwinism but evolution is simply a fact that happens in reality but you're saying that people take the survival of the >> psychology is linked to the >> it's not a psychology it's not a psychology now so here's the thing >> I'm not saying that when you're evaluating psychology itself >> can I respond to Sean because he's absolutely wrong >> hold on give give me a give me a second um Raziel because cuz you know Kwam was in front of you and there's a lot of people in front of you so um do me me a favor uh uh uh guys because I do got to got to move on in a second. We're going to be here for maybe about uh so Houston, I'm going to I'm going to have you up here for maybe about five six more minutes and I got All right.
>> Okay. I'll just go ahead and make the point is when you're assuming these certain systems about the world, it is going to be it is going to um it's going to go ahead and tell you um it's go when you assume these certain systems, it's going to go ahead and color the way in which you can go about things. So if you're going to go ahead and assume that the end is improving the the material, physical, mental circumstances of all people, you've already assumed something that I think by your own admission is going to be arbitrary. So that's where I would center my critique. And I was using the Nazis as an example of someone who they're going to assume this social Darwinism. And so I I got you, Houston. So like what what I'm what what I'm saying is is vague and I'm I'm not explaining all the way. But that's why I have these discussions so when people can know exactly what I mean by when I say these things. You know what I mean? So I get what you're saying. I I didn't but you know I can't put the entire saliloquy up here on the board. You know what I'm saying? I just got to go ahead and make one thing and then we're going to go ahead and parse it out. That's the uh that's what I mean. But I do get what on what where you um where you're coming from when it comes to the whole you know uh Darwinist. when I it's not even Darwinism. It's just like pseudointellectualism in my opinion. But like I I I get I get what you're saying.
It's just I can't put that entire thing up here on the board. You feel me? So that's why I'm Yeah, that's that's why I said that. All right. But >> so I'll go ahead and check out. But I said that that was the critique. Uh that would that it that the ways of achieving that are vague, but I think it would also and I think most people would agree with you. So it's not entirely important. But when you do challenge the people on the right wing, especially the Nazi types, the niche, people like that, it would be good to not only explain the means by which you're doing that, but also justify the claim, explain why we ought to improve the material conditions. That isn't just an appeal to well, everyone agrees. So that would that was my the sum of my critique.
>> I got you. Appreciate Can this guy can this guy talking give me a list of like people you think are Nazis right now?
Like popular podcasters, whoever >> popular podcasters who are Nazis.
>> The person who was just talking, you know, they were very like anti-Nazi, which I'm all on board with, but could they give me a list of like some people they consider Nazis nowadays?
>> I mean, um, he Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he he's gone, but yeah, I would consider uh Elon Musk either Nazi or Nazi adjacent. and uh Nick Fuentes definitely. But uh I'm gonna get to you in a second. Uh what's your name? Diet Dietrich. I'm sorry if I mispronounced your name, but I'm gonna get you to you in a second. Um Quam was here first. He has been patient. Uh Quam, I thank you so much for for being patient and staying on mute on this entire time. Uh thank uh we're going to go ahead and get it started with you.
All right. Um are you at least 18 and uh did you disagree with having the board and why?
Yes, I am 22 >> and I personally think that rightism is the best.
>> I'm not sure what you think. What you mean by rightism? You mean like conservatism?
>> Yes. Because if you look at the bigger scale, um, leftism is more for of the individual people.
>> It's not >> and less of the market and economics.
>> The market is for is is individualism, my brother.
>> The market is all about individualism.
the the left is the one that that that that wants collective bargaining and a more uh collective way to view the economy. So, it's not really for the individual.
>> Now, individualism does matter. Where'd he go? Okay, cool. Yeah. Yeah, he ran.
All right. So, Razael, how's how's it going, Razael? Are you at least 18 and did you disagree with what I have on the board? You're also looks like a like a Christian, so we're definitely going to disagree there as well. But, uh what did you did you disagree on the board? I'm an Orthodox Christian.
>> Gotcha. Uh did you see disagree with what I have on the board and why?
>> Yeah, because so leftism is quite um antagonist antagonistic to religion. I don't think you can organize society without religion.
>> You can >> have it be successful.
>> You can.
>> Absolutely you can.
>> Where?
>> Why? Why would you need why would we need religion to organize society?
Sean, let me ask >> because you need a epistemic resourc pause. How do you explain Japan, Rosel?
>> What do you mean? What about Japan?
>> 60% atheist. How do you explain that?
>> Yeah. Are they successful?
>> Japan, >> their birth rates are plummeting.
Japan's not even going to be like, >> hold on. So, what is >> around for much longer?
>> So, what is your um what is your uh metric of success? Let me lay it out.
>> Hold on. Wait. Hold on. Razel >> interrupted me.
>> I got you. I got you. So if your if your metric of success is birth rate, that would mean that the Congo is successful because they have one of the highest birth rates in the world, right? So you just can't say they >> say it was my I got you. I understand.
>> But it is a hold on. Wait, wait, wait.
Listen, Raza. Give me a second, please.
Okay.
>> Well, I just give me a second.
So what what I'm trying to say is that what I'm trying to ask is what is your measure of success? Because if you simply say that Japan is failing because they have a low birth rate, I can also say that Congo is succeeding because they have a high birth rate. But no one would say that.
>> So what is >> I already said that's a straw man because I didn't say it was the only metric. I said it's one.
>> That's why I asked you what are the metrics.
>> So you can't have a society if you're not actually giving birth and replacing.
So that's number one. Number two, you need an epistemic basis >> for to have morality from. Where do you get your morality?
>> They have that in Japan though. They have basality. I >> I get I get my morality because I care about the well-being of other people. So that's my moral compass.
>> Yeah, but you just made it up.
>> That's mine, too. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on.
>> Well, you just made up. Pause. Pause.
Pause. Pause. Everybody have an epistle.
Pause.
So um when you say that that um the two things that you brought up was numb birth rate and number two an epismic basic uh estim epistemic basis for morality that still wouldn't work because according to your logic that means that Congo is succeeding because Congo is about 90% Christian 90% Catholic morality objective subjective Dri >> I didn't say those were my only you just keep cutting me off everyone just jumps Rael, hold on Raza. Rael, I was quiet. I let you say what you guys have. I ask you what were the metrics and you said if you're not replacing yourself, then you're failing. And number two, you got to have an epistemic um um thing, right?
You have to have an epistemic justification or epistemic reason, etc., etc. That's where you end it off.
>> So if there's a third or fourth one, tell me.
>> Yeah. So there's a lot. So you need morality, and to have morality, you need God. Otherwise, you don't have a justified belief for anything. It's just it's going to boil down into your subjectivist.
>> If if God told if God told you torturing babies was moral, would you consider torturing babies to be immoral?
>> Did God tell me to torture babies?
>> That wasn't my question.
>> That Yeah. So, so if God So you want to So it's bad. So it's bad independent of whatever God says.
>> No, I said God is the source of morality. We can't morality without a God.
>> Okay. So if God of babies would that be more >> then have to be but God wouldn't say that >> okay so then it would have to okay so so basically what you're doing you you are we all start with a subjective preference uh as a value >> are you going to let me are you going to let me finish >> okay we all we all including objective preference >> you're not going to let me finish okay so so talking over me it's just made Everybody, everybody, everybody pause. Everybody pause. Everybody pause.
Hey, Razael, you said he has subjective preference. But then you also said that God can decide tomorrow that torturing babies is okay and that'll make it okay because God said so. That's objective, my friend.
>> Yeah. So, >> no. No, it's not.
>> It is. It depends on what God says.
>> I can explain that, but that would be a contradiction.
>> Ra, you're not. Hold on. Raz, hold on. Let me explain. You need to quit talking over people as a defense mechanism, Razael.
>> So, I I don't want to keep muting you, Razael, but you got you got to go ahead and let me explain what I'm talking about here.
>> You guys are just so slow. Just make your point.
>> No, no, no, no, no, no, no. All right.
So, this is I'm trying to make my point, but if you if you interrupt, we can't make it. So, when it comes to um this entire subjective thing, right? If you agree that whatever God decides is what makes him moral or immoral, then that means that morals are are arbitrary, subjective on what God wants.
And if that's the case, that even makes um morality subjective. Even if God does exist because um things that are objective, things are objective, things that are objective, things that are objective, things that are objective, things that are objective, things shut the [ __ ] up. Things that are objective >> are mind independent. You shut the [ __ ] up, Sean. You haven't made a good point.
This >> things that are subject things that are objective are mind independent. If morality depends on whatever God wants, then it's mind dependent on God. That makes it that makes it that makes it subjective.
>> And there's also two and also there's two layers of subjectivity because we first we first start with our own we we first start >> my turn to respond.
>> Go ahead, Sean.
>> Okay. I can respond.
>> All right. All right. So, I didn't even get I I did I didn't even get to I didn't even get to finish the first time. You're you're a scared little [ __ ] which is why you keep talking.
>> I literally rambled and I can't respond to it and then you finish the first time I was speaking. The first time I was speaking justification for even Let's do this. Let's do this. Let's do this. Let's do this. Let's do this.
Let's do this. Everybody take a beat.
Take a beat. All right. Everybody take a beat. Five.
four 3 two one. Let's take a beat. All right, let's bring it down a notch. We don't have to be so emotional about this, y'all. I know we disagree, but we don't have to be insulting each other.
Let's try to take a beat. All right, this goes for everybody. All right, so Razao, let me just do this. All right, I'm going to give you more time. I promise I'll put more time on the clock.
I promise. Okay, let me give you more time. I'm just going to go ahead and reiterate what I what I was saying and then um uh I think Sean wanted to add what I was saying and then you can respond to both of us. All right.
>> And I wanted to finish what I was saying in the first place when he spoke over me.
>> I got you. I got you. I'm going to add more time to the clock to make it fair for Raza. All right. So, >> Razel, this is what I was saying before.
Okay. The reason why I I think that your um standard will be subjective is because you literally just said up here that you know if God told you to torture babies it will have to be right because that's what God said. That automatically makes it subjective because then morals depend on whatever God says whatever he wants whatever his preferences are. I know you're saying that he wouldn't ask that of you. I get that part. But what I'm saying is that what it will still make it subjective is because in this hypothetical if he was then it would have to be moral whatever he wants. It's mind dependent on God. That makes it subjective. That's my position. Now, Sean is gonna say his and then I'm gonna go ahead and give you more time. Okay.
Go ahead, Sean.
>> Okay. Something is objective if it's a true fact of reality independent of a mind. For example, the moon exists.
That's objective.
Moral assessments necessarily take place in minds. We have stances on positions.
All right? So we all start with a personal preference including Christians as as a basis for their moral compass.
Mine is the well-being of others uh for Christians often times it's obedience to God and that's what they prioritize anything else. That's still their preference. They have two layers of subjectivity because their stance is that we should defer to God's stance. So they are subjectively deciding to uh align their belief their their morals with God's subjective preference. So they have two layers of subjectivity instead of one. Which is why literally if God says anything I uh cutting off the the toes of babies is moral. They must consider it moral. That to me is arbitrary. We just value different things. I genuinely care about the well-being of others. They genuinely care about being told what to do like a good boy. But it's still it's still subjective in both cases.
>> Go ahead.
>> Yeah. So God is actually an unchanging divine anchor for morality which makes it objective. You can't say the mind of God because when we talk about mind and mind independent, it refers to the minds of humans in the physical universe. So something is true outside of our mind, but you can't actually say that. Sean can't actually make that claim. because he doesn't have an epistemic justification for anything he's talking about. It's just his preference.
>> Okay. So, um let me >> I'm sorry. Sean, can I can I ask this question for him real quick? And then I I know you want to answer.
>> Um can you clarify one thing for me, please? Razio, when you say epistemic justification, what exactly does that mean? Um and I'm going to explain what what how I understand it. When you say ep epistmic justification is basically the concrete reason why you believe in something for me it's based on um mostly it's going to be based on evidence right that's mostly what it's going to be based on and evidence is something I think is testable repeatable demonstrable now there are things where of course we may not have evidence for that testable repeatable demonstrable like me having hope for a better future I can't test and repeat that right so I I give that part to you but like that's what evidence would be to to me. So when you say epismic justification, that's how I'm understanding it. What do you mean when you say that? And then Sean is going to answer you.
>> So it's a justification for you why you should believe anything to actually be objectively true.
>> Okay. Got it.
>> So when we talk about a non-God universe, you can't actually say anything is objectively true because you have to default to preference because you don't have an objective standard to weigh anything against. God is that objective standard, right? And so that guy Sean is saying he prefers this.
Well, I don't prefer it. It doesn't matter who's right and wrong.
>> You can't say.
>> Gotcha. But um but you do under um understand that if you just go off of whatever God says, that automatically makes it um subjective because even if you say that God is the moral anchor, why should we even uh accept whatever he says?
>> No, God is what makes it even possible to have logic, truth, and morality.
>> How do you know? would not be without him in a material universe.
>> Well, let me ask you this. So, you said you're you're basically a materialist.
You think you were talking about science and evidence. So, you think everything that can be known comes from basically sense data. Correct?
>> It has to be including for you.
>> Yeah. So, that statement that all things come from sense data, how do you prove it using sense data?
>> Yeah. Sense data. That we we can only use our sense data. We can't even I know I understand I understand that what I'm understand what I'm saying is that I got you. I got you. No, I understand what you're saying. I understand the the um the criticism. What I'm saying to you is that you're in my same position.
>> Not at all.
>> Yes, you are. How do you interact with your God without senses?
>> Well, God gave us the ability. So, this is actually a good a good point. So we can trust our senses because of God cuz he made that promise that you will be able to find the same position I am.
>> The first scientists were all Christians.
>> I understand that Rael.
>> The only reason Rael the first kind of scientists weren't Christian. They they believed in like an >> No, they were they were monks. So the only reason they started doing science because they believe that universe could be discoverable. They had lost.
>> You have no reason to believe.
>> All right. Are you just going to keep ranting and I >> I'm not going to keep ranting. Give me a second. You made a claim that the first scientists were Christian. Did the Egyptians have scientists?
>> Yeah, they did. All right. So, first scientists weren't Christian. So, it was science. So, first >> It's also It's also irrelevant.
>> It It is, but um It's not irrelevant.
Hold on, Raza. Let's Let's go ahead and and and and get back to the point because now I'm kind of we kind of uh uh went on a on a detour cuz I >> Yeah. you get a chance. I want to respond I want to respond to like his response to me.
>> Yeah, I I got you. Um, as a matter of fact, go ahead because I forgot what I was saying before. Go ahead.
>> All right. So, two things. You you had said, well, God is the anchor of morality. He's your anchor for morality because you subjectively have decided you value being told what to do over anything else, including the well-being of thinking creatures. So, I can just make my decree like you did. Well-being is the anchor of morality. I can just say the same thing. You just said so by decree. Also, uh something is objective if it's mind independent. Doesn't matter if it's a human mind. It's mind independent. Period. If you think otherwise, let me ask you a question. If if an alien civilization comes to Earth and then declares Never Going to Give You Up by Rick Ashley is a great song.
Is that objectively true? It comes from a mind and they're not human. Would that that make it cease being subjective? Yes or no?
>> No. So, it has to do with any beings in the universe. God is not in this universe or he's not governed by the laws of the universe.
>> Where was that?
>> You have you just made that definition.
>> Hold on. Why are you Why are you interrupting me? Be quiet.
>> So, I got a question actually. Question.
>> I'm I'm sorry. Um Rael, I got a question. I got a question.
>> Wait, I'm going to let you finish. I'm going to let you finish. Here's here's a problem that that when people say that >> No, I got you. I got you. When people say that the goal post >> I got you. But whenever people say that, I have a I have an issue with it because when you say something is God is outside the universe, you're basically saying he's outside reality, which kind of implies he's not real. What what does that what does outside the universe even mean?
>> So you need an unchanging standard outside of the universe. This is why God is necessary for >> Why though?
>> Morality.
>> Because your universe is always changing. So you're a bunch of particles in motion. There's no reason to think that there's laws going on in the universe at all.
>> You're just particles in motion. So it makes no sense for particles to talk about morality, truth, and logic.
>> But Rael, the the reason why we we do these things, right?
>> But Rael Rael, the reason why we talk about this, Rael, the reason that we talk about this is because we're humans and we're sensient beings that need to exist within society with each other. So of course, we're going to be talking about this. It doesn't matter if we're particles in the universe at the fact that at the end of the day, we're all still have we all still have an experience and we're all still living in society together and we need to get along. None of us wants to suffer at least in my opinion. I don't think you want to suffer. Right? So we have to go ahead and discuss these things. Us being us being us being particles is irrelevant to that. We still have to we still have we still have sense data and experience. So because of that because of that because of that because of that world I'm not asking you to grant my worldview. What I'm saying is that saying that we're particles, therefore we shouldn't be talking about this is ridiculous. We still have experience with each other, so we're going to talk about it.
>> No, you can talk about it, but you have no justification.
>> Yeah, I do.
>> Right. Do you have justification as particles to talk about morality?
>> Yeah.
>> Or truth or logic? How?
>> Yeah.
>> What's your justification?
>> Justification is that we exist >> and we and we have experience.
>> That's it. I think therefore I am. We we we exist and we have since experience.
So there we talk about it.
>> In the end it's personal preference just like your personal preference to to be told. So is your personal preference to be told what to do.
>> No. No. So God is a necessary prerequisite to have intelligibility.
>> How do you prove it?
>> It is necessary.
>> How do you prove it?
>> Because you can't have it without it.
>> How do you prove it?
>> Can't can't have what without it.
Without God.
>> You can't have intelligibility without a God.
>> How do you prove it?
>> Based on what?
Because you would be a bunch of particles in motion. You're making universal claims.
I I have a preference for the minimizing suffering. Who cares? You're a bunch of particles in motion. It makes no difference what you think.
>> It doesn't.
>> You have no epistmic grounding. So it's so so that's my whole point.
>> It is. Thank you for granting my pro you talk about it. Subjective subjective rise.
We all know risio. I can still make claims.
>> Just because it's subjective doesn't mean I can't make a claim. That's stupid.
>> I can still make a claim that Kendrick Lamar I can still make a claim that Kendrick Lamar is the best rapper of the past 15 years. It's my opinion, but I can still claim it. This is stupid, bro.
You can't say that because it's subjective. I can't make a claim.
>> You can literally say something is >> something is intelligible.
Something is intelligible. Something something something possible without God. Something something something something is intelligible if it's able to be the only >> something is intelligible if it's able to be understood. The only thing that's needed for intelligibility is for a mind to be able to understand something. It is then by definition intelligible. We have minds >> that can comprehend. Are you going to let me finish? Sure. You're going to keep talking over me as a defense mechanism like a coward.
>> Totally destroy that view.
>> I don't I don't get then use then use then use the >> then use the then borrow then borrow the argument and use it for yourself. So something is intelligible if it int something being intelligible means it's able to be understood. What is required for something to be able to be be understood is a mind to understand it.
We have minds that are able to understand something. No god. No god.
>> So what's it's by def it's the def it's definitionally so something. What's the definition of what's the definition of intelligible?
>> Your whole argument is intelligible.
Everybody >> your whole argument is for me really quick.
>> Everybody pause. All right. We're down to the wire. We're down to one minute.
And we still haven't gotten into how leftist policies will somehow be bad for society. I'm just going to ask you one question, Raza, so we can actually talk about the subject that is here because this is not supposed to be a religious life. But I'm going to talk with you one question that uh and and we'll see um if you think less policy are better for society. If we had singlepayer healthcare, would that be good or that would that be bad?
>> Good.
>> I'm sure it could be bad for some people and good for other people. Hold on. How would it be bad for anybody?
>> Silence. Hold on. So, I think it can be good for some people, bad for other people, right?
>> Okay. So, I'm asking you, how can it be bad for anyone?
>> How can it be bad? Because it would cost a lot of money. That would be bad.
>> Can Can the people who are um Yeah, it could cost a lot of money, but who's spending the money? All of us, right?
>> No. So, like we all don't pay taxes.
>> We all pay taxes.
>> Everyone >> Everyone pays taxes. Maybe except for for homeless people and people making less than so a lot of people get hold on hold on most of the people like >> Razael people who make less than 10,000 a year are probably not paying taxes.
People who are homeless and don't have jobs probably not paying taxes everybody else but everybody else but everybody else is paying taxes. All right.
>> But that's not everyone.
>> Of course it's not everyone. Children don't pay taxes. We know that when we say everyone, we're talking about every um um everybody who's working. We're all we're all paying into the system. Hold on. So So Rael Rael Raay, let me finish saying all of us all of us shut up.
>> So all of us are paying into the system.
The question is how would um how would universal healthcare how would singlepayer healthcare where we all can go see the doctor and not have a $10,000 bill, how is that bad for anyone?
Well, so you would have to force it by law, right? Which is forced. You believe that forcing things on people is moral?
>> Some things are some things have to be forced. Yes, >> we had to force we had to force we had to force the end of Jim Crow. Are you saying that was a bad thing to do?
>> Perhaps.
>> Yeah. Yeah. You're stupid. You're stupid.
>> I'm forced to pay property taxes.
>> Are schools a good thing? I'm I'm forced to pay property taxes so other people's children can can go to school. That's a good thing. I don't even have children.
>> If you're if you're really going to sit here and say that ending racial segregation was a bad thing, I I don't I don't know how what how if you're going to say ending the oppression of black people was perhaps a bad thing, you're just a racist then, bro. Like, what the [ __ ] There's no point in talking to you.
All right, we're going to go ahead and bring someone else um up. Coach Nicholas is going to be next. All right, guys.
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I appreciate y'all. Uh, who is going to be next? I think it was Coach Nicholas, right? Is he up on the board yet? Oh, he's still loading. Uh, Coach Nicholas, you there?
Yeah, he's still loading. All right, we're going to go go ahead and and wait for anybody else who had to come up.
Hey, Margaret, you've been complaining this entire time. And you complained for about 10 minutes and now you're back complaining again. I invited you up.
Just go ahead and come on up so we can speak. Yeah. So, yeah, sometimes force is good. We had to force the end of racial discrimination. We had to force that. You know, some of that's bad. It's kind of crazy.
>> Are are schools a good thing? Do you do you consider like you know uh public schools a good thing?
Those are forced as well. Like I am forced to pay property taxes so we can have schools. Like that's how a society functions is through is through forcing mechanisms that um all benefit the collective.
>> Yeah. Exactly. That's exactly how that works.
And if if you don't want to like because people always like uh when this go kind of goes down to a path of like uh anarchical capitalism which literally doesn't work. You know what I mean? So cuz if you don't have any um any of those mechanisms like that's going to be that's going to turn that's going to be bad for society. Like you don't want a society where 50% of the people can't afford to go to school. Yeah. Yeah. You don't want that. I mean you absolutely don't want that.
All right.
>> And and I can and I consider health care to be an essential function of society that should not be uh just a priv you know driving a Porsche is a privilege.
You know it what that people don't have a right to a basic human right is like education, health care, safety. So you have police and fire and the military for national defense etc. >> Roads I mean these are all basic things.
healthare. We're the only developed country in the entire world that doesn't have universal health care and as a result we pay more than double anybody else in the world per capita for our health care and we don't cover everyone and our quality of care is crap when you when you look at us compared to our European counterparts.
>> Yeah. Exactly.
Exactly. like um apparent um like for everywhere in the world where where we're paying more and we're not getting the benefits of it. Same thing with education. There's a way to reform our entire education system where that will make it that'll make it cheaper. That'll make it better. We'll raise our literacy rates. We just don't do it. There's no political will.
>> You know what I'm saying? It's because people think that others simply don't from for some reason don't deserve higher educ or higher or better education. And I I I just Do you understand it? Because I don't understand it.
>> So So one problem with our the way we fund our education is because it primarily not exclusively but primarily comes from property taxes. So what that means is in Beverly Hills. Um the you know you're talking multi-million dollar homes. The property taxes are huge.
They're going to get gigantic funding for for rich neighborhoods with rich families with college grad parents, etc. And the the areas that need it the most, the poor areas that need better schools, more resources for their schools, have less of it because it's primarily funded through property taxes.
>> Yeah, exactly. And um it was um funded that way due to redlinining. And they know that there was like not a lot of uh property taxes in these poor majority black redlin areas. So therefore, the schools would would be terrible. It's the same reason why um there's a 20% gap in in Medicare. Um because they they figured out that, you know, if the if the if the life expectancy of black people back then was about 55, they figured they'll never make it to 65. And because they're poor anyway, they won't be able to afford a 20% gap. So therefore, they won't benefit from it.
The entire reason we don't have universal healthcare right now, which is what Medicare was supposed to be, is literally because of racism. That's why we can't have good things. It screwed over and it screwed over everyone.
>> Mhm.
>> Racism against African-Americans [ __ ] over white people, too. I mean, that's worth noting, >> right?
It's it's it's kind of crazy how they never noticed that.
>> Yeah. And it's like by, you know, to to spite someone else, we [ __ ] ourselves over.
>> Yeah. Exactly. Like, you know, cutting off your nose to spite the face.
>> Like, it's it's crazy. It's not even just that. It's allergy season, too.
Allergy season. The reason why we even have allergy season is because um we put male trees in in place to beautify the area and didn't put the female trees around so like they wouldn't catch the pollen and grow flowers and fruit and stuff like that. So because of that now we have allergy season. Same with traffic. You know what I mean? The it was built through highways. It was built in a certain way that would segregate white and black areas. You know what I mean? So now traffic is is terrible. You know what I mean? All like pollution is the same thing because of zoning laws like certain industrial area certain industrial uh businesses are putting more near near black areas and are allowed to pollute those areas but that that all that runoff goes into the white area. So pollution is built. It's like it's it's it's insane. Yeah.
>> It's insane how many how many things >> are are based off of racism in in this country and we just don't notice it. Of course, it's because it's never taught.
>> Yeah.
>> Goodness.
All right, guys. Uh the way that you call in over on Deconstruction Junction, the way that you call in is through the link um pin. I'm going to go ahead and send it to you again. I see up state in the comments. I'm going to um tag you and uh uh the pinned link. Give me one second.
It's right there on my page, too. You can see it right there. Uh tiny I'm sorry. Give me a second. You can see it right here. Yeah, tiny.ccy live. It's right up there. Hey, Jammus.
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>> Quinn like Queifa is cool as hell.
>> So, uh, upstate or upate?
Oh, Upstate Nate. That's how you say that. Upstate Nate. All right. So, Upstate Nate. Um, the Hey, did I get a teddy bear? I appreciate the teddy bear.
That's an amazing gift.
Oh, our guest Hunty. All right. Hey, appreciate the bear. Um, um, Queen Laquifa.
All right. We're going to talk to Hunty really quickly. Hunty, how's it going?
Are you at least 18? And did you disagree with what I have on the board?
>> Yo, bro, sorry. I've literally just joined your live like lit like less than a minute ago. So, I haven't actually been listening for very long at all.
>> Okay. No, not that that's fine. But, uh, did you disagree with what I have on the board?
>> Um, sorry, dude. I'm reading it for the first time. I'm actually from the UK.
Are you American?
>> I'm American. Yes.
>> Oh, sweet, man. Um, I don't know, man. And it's pretty crazy over here at the moment. Obviously, it's election day. Um, it's gone massively in the right hand side's favor. Um, which wasn't expected to be honest with you. I didn't expect it to be that much of a landslide, but um, >> it's a massive problem over here at the moment. No one, nobody's happy. Labor have kind of labor obviously, >> um, more on the left hand side of things. Um, >> also totally >> your your right and left is uh a fair bit different than our left and right in in the in the US. So >> yeah, man, I don't really follow American politics too much, but um >> the most I know about about um about UK policies and and labor. I'm not sure which one is right, which one is left over there. But I I I do know a lot of the things that I advocate for here for America is basically normal over there in the UK.
Like even your conservatives don't disagree about singlepayer healthcare.
Even over there, they don't disagree with that. You know what I mean? So it's like it's a it's a little bit different.
Over here they view it as crazy for us to have uh universal healthcare. Like I think over there you guys don't even have ambulance bills. Over here we do.
Like it's it's kind of crazy, you know?
Yeah, dude. It's a completely different um setup, but just for like context over here for years, like years and years, we're talking like 25 years or more, it's been Labor or Conservative. Labor are left. Well, mainly left, conservative are right, but it's completely changed today. It's like Labor and Conservatives have lost Labour have lost thousands of uh council seats and so have Conservative and >> uh Reform which are a right-wing have gained 1,400 seats from two.
>> Yeah, I heard about Reform.
>> Yeah, Reform is Reform is more far right. I heard >> Yeah, it is. But then you know how the media portrays things. There's so much propaganda going on for the left and the right. So it's kind of diffult over here >> hunty. Uh when when I can go down a laundry list of like topics of okay, so the left agrees with this, the right agrees with that, you know, and they're all on opposite sides of things. I can go I can go sort of issue by issue in the US.
>> What are some um leftright um disagreements like spec what are some specific policies that the right wants this but the left wants the opposite?
like can you can you kind of paint a picture of that for us in the UK?
>> So the main and the one main issue which I'll touch on which is huge here and not just in the UK it's in Europe is the illegal immigration. Mhm.
>> It's not immigration, dude. Immigration is good for the UK and like Europe. It's good everywhere, you know, in different walks of life, different people. I'm talking >> Are both sides prolegal immigration?
>> No, dude. So, the left >> are basically welcome everyone, illegals, all this. But there is massive problems with these illegals coming in. Uh I think statistically there's been like 200,000 in a year since Labour came into power a year ago. And the statistics don't lie. Like crime and I think UK is now like the capital rape place of Europe. Like it's really things are really hoting up over here and people have had enough. And there's actually a far right march on the 16th of this month and there was one last year and somewhere between half a million people and a million people turn up and the media tried to downplay it cuz I was actually in London at the time. I believe that this time could be one of the biggest marches that the UK has ever seen in its history.
>> I mean, here's the thing. Here's the thing that um that um that um I cuz I hear this from Europeans so much about the crime and everything like that, but every time you you just look this up, right? Even according to European sources, there are like dozens of comprehensive studies on this. They do not link immigration and crime rates in Europe. They don't. I'm saying so it's like it's not coming from anything factual. was just coming from like what you already said, propaganda. You see what I'm saying? Like there's no casual link. It's the same thing for for here in America, except for over here they blame it on black people, but there's no casual link between being a certain race and committing a crime. Like there's no link there. It's all based on things like poverty. You see what I'm saying?
>> I was just going to I was just going to bring bring up that um I I can't speak to the statistics in the UK. have never looked them up. But when you in the US, when you look up the FBI crime statistics, immigrants, including illegal immigrants here in the US, commit less crimes than than American citizens do. And that actually makes sense for a number of reasons, especially for illegal immigrants, because if they're here illegally, they're going to want to like keep under the radar and keep, you know, you know, so that so they can stay and not get arrested or or what have you. That that's sort of an explanation for why, but um >> isn't it already illegal? Because >> that's the first hold on Extinction.
Hold on. Hold on. Go ahead. Go ahead and finish what you were saying. Sean.
>> Yeah. So, um, so they they commit they commit less crime. So, uh, just being here illegally though, um, is not in itself a crime. There's no criminal statutes associated with that. Now, if you cross the border illegally in Mexico, that's a misdemeanor. Now, if you want to say, "Haha, there that is."
Once they're here, that they commit less crimes than Americans do.
And uh and and the other thing um auntie is um um what I would say especially when it comes to the to to the UK y'all like the creators of racism. You know what I'm saying? So it's it's one of those things that that when I look at the the issues in the in the UK and issues here in America, it's a lot of it is kind of the sort of the well a lot of it is basically the same of you know crime being uh blamed on either immigrants or black people. and you see that the actual issue is more of an of of an issue of you know low education uh poverty proximity things like that. So and and the thing is sure you can say that people are for legal immigration right they say the same thing to um about here in America people are for legal immigration but then when we see how the immigration is enforced or like the the rhetoric around immigrants it's still dehumanizing even for the legal ones and it's still um they still kick out the the ones who are here legally like here in in America there were people who were um about to become legal immigrants swearing ing in did everything the right way and ICE still went after them. You see what I'm saying? And we see the same thing happening in the UK with the with the thoughts of immigration where even the legal immigrants over there, they try to kick them out and retroactively remove their citizenship to the UK even if they were born in the UK.
>> Yeah. So, so people say that, but then it's something else when when it's actually put in practice. You see what I mean?
>> Yeah, man. I I I know what you mean. Um there's definitely that problem where also I do understand some people where you know there has been statistic I haven't got them to hand right now but like in since uh the whole boat crisis has happened there's been a rise in certain I don't know crimes like rape and things like that's that's factual but my point where I agree with you completely is the people that is that small percentage of illegals that potentially are committing them crimes. You can't put the migrants that have been here for generations in that same category. And I feel like that does happen.
>> Yeah, of course that does happen.
There's going to be um something happens here in America like an illegal immigrant will will commit something that's horrible here in America and it's b it's put on all illegal immigrants like oh see if there were if the illegals weren't here these crime wouldn't happen. like this three people wouldn't have been murdered if there were no illegal immigration. And they completely ignore the fact that just last year we had like 700 murders were where they're all legal citizens where they're all cit native born citizens.
You see what I'm saying? They completely ignore that fact. So yeah, I get that.
>> Yeah. And if an il if if an illegal immigrant commits a crime, it's suddenly roundthe-clock news on Fox News for like two two weeks straight. And uh people tend to be persuaded by anecdotes, sensationalized anecdotes as opposed to like what they should be doing is looking at the actual data. Yes. When you have any large segment of any population, whether it's illegal immigrants or this particular people group or what have you, some members, including military members, by the way, some members of the that group are going to commit heinous crimes. That's just the laws of probability. So when you selectively find those even when the the rates of it happening are less when you find those sensationalize them put a kind of shine a big spotlight on it make it roundthe-clock news that is a very effective way to drum up xen xenophobia like immigrants are the cause for all these all these illegals are the cause of all these problems in our country and this and that and that give pe people somebody to hate and and uh rally people around those hate. and get him to the polls.
>> Hey, but Hunty, I think we we kind of mostly uh agree. Um but uh you you mind if I go ahead and get to Extinction because he's been up here. He's been patient. I I'll go ahead and get >> Yeah. Yeah, sure, man.
>> All right. Hey, I appreciate you. Thanks so much.
>> Cheers, man.
>> All right, Extinction. Um I'm assuming, uh are you Well, are you at least 18?
>> Let me let me invite you to unmute. Uh sorry about I had to mute you because it wasn't your turn yet, but uh Extinction, are you at least 18?
>> Yeah.
>> All right. And um you disagree with what I had on the board?
>> Um I mean, not entirely, I guess. I don't I don't know. I think like I'm not necessarily right-wing or leftwing.
Um sure, there are some policies that are probably better uh leftists, but like I don't know. I I >> Which ones do you think >> I jumped in when >> Huh?
>> Which ones do you think are not good?
Well, like the like I jumped in when he he started talking about UK and like how they're having a bunch of problems over there cuz you like that's something that I think has always been like even left, you know, Democrats back then like they weren't just letting every single person in, you know, like it's obvious that that causes problems. Like everywhere in the world has some form of like okay we got to regulate how many people we come in and then like we got to keep count of these people and like >> if they are illegal they're not going to have any records of them you know what I mean? So, um, Extinction, let me ask you a question. Um, can you name a a a leftist policy? Or even the the Democrats, even them, even though I don't consider the left of the Republicans, but they're not really the left, but um, even them, can you name any type of policy that they pass that says that we should not be vetting um, immigrants?
>> Okay. Well, they Biden, didn't he like open the border and just let it >> Which policy was that?
the policy of not like looking at the problem.
>> Hold on, hold on, wait, wait, wait. The policy of not looking at the problem.
Let me ask you a question.
>> They didn't they didn't know how many came in though during his >> extension. Give me a second. When Ronald Reagan ignored the AIDS epidemic, was that a policy?
>> No.
>> Right. So even if you say that Biden ignored the border crisis, you can't say that's a policy. What I'm asking for is what did the Democrats actually pass to say that we are not going to be linking to immigration?
>> You can't just Okay, regardless, you Democrats are so angry at the rightwing wanting to get rid of these >> extinction. Extinction, I'm just asking you. Did they pass anything to say that we will not vet any immigrants and there will not be any border patrol? Did they pass anything like that's like that?
>> But do you really think that they're going to do any of that >> extinction? I'm just asking you a yes or no question.
>> Stop going on this. Hold on. Hold on.
Red herring. Whatever.
>> It's not a red herring, though. You're the one who claimed that their policies are all about open borders.
>> We're being extinction. I'm not being facicious.
>> You know that that's what they're >> Okay, be quiet for a second. I'm not being facicious. I'm asking you a direct question. If your claim is that the Democrats or even the left are all about just letting anybody in, I'm asking you which policies that the Democrats who are not even left, what policy did they pass to say to not vet any immigrants and to fire all border patrol? Did they pass anything like that?
It's just a yes or no question. Did they pass anything like that?
You get off mute now.
Uh, not to my knowledge, but I think >> Right. So, you cannot make that claim.
>> I'm talking about >> I know what you're talking about. What I'm saying is just go after that.
>> Extinction. Extinction. Extinction. Give me a second. I know what you're talking about. The claim is stupid because of exactly what I said. They never passed anything to open the borders. The borders are not open. We still have border patrol. We still have border checks. We still have border patrol. We still have border checks. There is they didn't they didn't fire immigration lawyers. As a matter of fact, they're the ones who said that we should increase border patrol and we should increase um um immigration lawyers and we should increase immigration judges.
They had a bill to pass that. Guess who didn't pass it? The Republicans.
The Republicans are the one who didn't pass it. But under Joe Biden, Camala Harris and and everything, they actually led a bill to say have more border patrol, increase the funding of ICE, >> and even increase um immigration judges.
It was the Democrats who want to pass that.
>> It It had It actually had bipartisan support. Some Republicans were pretty pissed about it. But what happened was Trump said to kill it. He ordered them to kill it because uh if I remember correctly, that was an election year. He didn't want Joe Biden to have a win, so he said kill the bill. But it had bipartisan support from Republicans as well. In fairness, the Republicans were on board with it as well.
>> Yeah. In fairness, they were on board with it that well. But because they got marching orders from from Trump, it killed they didn't pass it because they got marching orders from Trump. So when people say that um Democrats or the left wants open borders, I'll be asking y'all what are y'all talking about. They've never passed a policy. The Democrats have never supported open borders. Not at all. You you can't find one.
>> I'm saying that's what I was saying.
They used to not be all about this. Like just come in, everybody's welcome, you know, like everybody is welcome, but >> you're believing properly. you just open it up and say free >> everybody.
>> The border isn't this door that they just open like they you you you enact policies with respect to the department uh department of homeland security, border patrol, ICE, etc. Right? You and and you enact uh immigration policies and such like that. This whole open border hyperbole is is nonsense. Um look at how many look at how many people Obama deported. um record numbers of people and and and I'm not for like blanket deportations, certainly not the the unconstitutional ways they're doing it now, but we can get into a separate topic of that. Look at just Google uh deportations by year and you can see in in 2020 3 uh 359,000 2021 330 this is all under Biden um actually Biden I think technically started in 2021 330,000 387,000 1.09 million it's a total returns and removals that's a that's an odd spike and I I'll have to look into that. Um, so, so this whole thing about Democrats just want open borders and to let everybody in, it's a lie. It is a lie. I don't want people I don't want people be being sent to a goolog in El Salvador without trial, without even being accused of a crime. I think that that's effed up. I think that ICE running around uh and just racially profiling people and and arresting people and and like all the crap that they're doing, I think it's wrong. I I think showing up to court hearings like like immigration hearings to round people up shows that it's not really illegal immigration that you're concerned about. Um like that's that's what we're talking about here. But this whole like left is for open borders is it's just a it's it's a complete lie.
>> Complete and total lie. And here's the thing about what I said when it comes to the immigration issue when when it on on the left there's a spectrum of this, right? You have the um the uh uh the the Democrats who are for who are all about, you know, getting more border patrol and more um immigration judges. Uh then you have more um um progressive people who um who like to see the red tape go away.
Then you have all the way on the far left of anarchists who don't believe in borders at all. There's a spectrum of this, right? There's even people on the right who are anarchists who don't believe in borders at all. You see what I'm saying? So the these are all um simply things that that that people when when they when they look at these things again, y'all believing propaganda. None of the Democrats have ever said there's no more border patrol. Anybody can just come on in. Like I've wanted a shun area with with Canada and Mexico and even Canada and Mexico don't want that. You know what I'm saying? So it's all just propaganda. Folks just got to stop actually research these things instead of believing in a whole bunch of propaganda, y'all. Like it's it's insane. But yeah, he ran. He ran. He he either ran or he got um he got a call and he had to go.
>> I didn't even notice. I was like he's being quiet. I I didn't even notice he walked away.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He ran. But there are other people who I who I saw in the comments >> who are talking about it. So LED, I invited you up. Kurt, I invited you up as well. Or I don't I don't think Kurt can come up, but Kurt, you could go ahead come up as well. And anyone who's watching this from YouTube, the link is pinned to join. Yeah, I don't have to uh talk in the comments and complain. The link is is join to to come on up. But when we look at the the the immigration numbers, Biden um deported 4 million uh illegal immigrants and a majority of them were had criminal records. You know what I'm saying? Trump the majority of people in ICE facilities have no criminal record. So it's kind of crazy um how how y talking about, you know, this is going to be keeping us safe or whatever and he's locking up [ __ ] grandmas. You know what I'm saying? So it's it's kind of ridiculous, man. I'm gonna give this about maybe a few more minutes and I'm go ahead and get out of here. We're gonna wait for a few more minutes and get out of here.
>> I I gotta run too, buddy. Uh hey, good talking to you again. I haven't talked to you in a while.
>> Hey yeah, yeah, yeah, man. It's good to see you again. Um you know, I do these every Thursday to to Saturday. You may you probably been um tied up, but I've I've had, you know, crazy day at work.
You know, I work um insurance. Uh so it's like um >> what kind what kind >> vehicle? Yeah, car insurance. So just this past uh just this past few weeks, there was a hell storm in mid in mid Texas. So I went from 10 claims in my folder to 40 in two days >> and you know cuz it's multiple vehicles so people have to make different claims for different vehicles.
>> It's been insane, bro. Like >> I have a whole bunch of overdue activities >> that I got to get to on Monday because we don't work on the weekends.
>> So on Monday I have about 10 payments I got to send out.
>> Yeah, man. We have a whole bunch of overdue activities. Then I got to reach out to someone else who just made a who just made a claim for her um hell storm.
But like Yeah. I've had like 40 claims.
It's been crazy. It's it's been absolutely insane, man. You you're in insurance as well?
>> Me?
>> Yeah. No, I'm in the army.
>> Oh, yeah. Yeah, you are in the army. But yeah, man. I'm I'm in insurance right now. I'm doing um auto, but I hope to move over to PIP, personal injury, and then I'll see if I could do home as well. I don't think my company does home, but if I get enough like, you know, um enough experience, I can go ahead and move over to the to another company that does home cuz I that's what I want to do as well. I want to do home.
I want to do auto. And um you know, once I graduate from my my school, that's what I'm going to be doing. Uh uh you know counseling.
>> Oh, nice.
>> Yeah. So like like like the therapeutic type of counseling. Yeah. And I'm aiming for that.
>> That's good, man.
>> Yeah. That that's awesome. If you can make a living doing something that's meaningful, I I think that that's awesome and and you'll uh you'll benefit from it as well.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. That's what I want to do.
Whoa.
I can say whatever I want to you now.
>> All right. Now, now I'm good. I'm not sure why the why the mic went out. All right. So, I did see someone Keith Keith in the comments. You can go ahead and come on up if you would like. Um, >> I'll see you later, buddy.
>> Hey, no problem, Sean. Appreciate you.
All right. Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and give this a few more minutes. I'm going to go ahead and get out of here.
Keith in the comments, you can go ahead and come on up um over on the YouTube.
I'm not sure if the person saw the link that I just sent. Uh Steve, Steve, you can go ahead and come on up as well. I I went sent sent you the link.
Well, I don't know why you can't come up. I I sent you the link. Um it's the tiny URL in in the comments.
So, you can go ahead and come on up if you would like.
All right. And Babs over in my comments as well. Well, Babs, you can go ahead come on up as well so we can go and have that discussion. You can tell me why I should vote conservative.
Babs, let me know when you see the All right, >> [ __ ] [ __ ] [ __ ] [ __ ] [ __ ] >> Of course.
Hey, Babs, you going to go ahead and come on up as well? Um, I'm going to give this a few more minutes and I'm going to go ahead and get out of here, guys.
And of course, I get the racism. The it's it's it's always um the the racism is always uh it's always fun, right?
Well, Steve said he can't come up. Don't know why, but um Babs over on my Tik Tok comments, I invited you. You can go ahead and and come on up and we can go ahead and have a conversation about it.
uh PV Tech. Um uh you all you can also come on up and and talk to me about this as well.
I'm not sure why you think I'm a I'm a psychopath, BB, because you know I want everybody lives to get better. Psychotic people won't think about themselves. So not sure why you think I'm a psychopath, but okay.
How's it going, Flankist?
All right. So, if anybody would like to join, uh the the link I put it in the uh in the comments. Uh several people were were able to join. I'm not sure what's going on with anybody else why you are not able to join.
Someone wants to take off my hat. Uh Edwin, if you if you um send a super chat for $15, I'll take off my hat.
Yeah. So, if you want to see my my beautiful head, uh, go ahead and, uh, take off the, um, send me $15 and I'll go ahead and take it off.
How's it going, Flankist? Uh, let me see if I have any other guests. I think I have one more guest, y'all. Might be the last one before I get out of here.
I'm bringing up the guest now. Uh, Flankist. There we go.
>> Hey, what's up, man?
>> How's it going? Are you at least 18?
>> Yes.
>> All right. Did you disagree with what I have on the board?
>> Um, yeah. I think, yeah, I think uh neolibertarian fangist policies are a lot better for America and society in general.
>> I have no idea what that means.
>> Neo, it's neoliarian fangism.
>> What the hell is that? It's uh uh a neo libertarian is you know an anarchal capitalist and a felangis is is a type of national cynicalist.
>> Oh so like no I don't think anarchical capitalism even even works. So it's >> no it's no but like when paired with fang um gism could work it's neoliberian fangism.
>> What is fangalism?
>> Fangism is a type of nationalism.
>> What does that mean? Um, aicalism is like uh when uh the means of production are collectively owned by by workers and you do that with nationalistic purposes.
>> Oh, so socialism.
>> No, no, no. Fangism, it's different. Um, look at uh >> but if the workers if the workers owned a means of production that's that's socialism.
>> That's not socialism. Socialism is collective ownership. This one, but like we're pairing it with neoliberists.
Well, um, workers ownership of means of production is is in fact socialism, my guy.
>> No, it's not.
>> It's neither libertarian fangism.
>> No work. Hold on. Let me >> Yes, it is. It's It's the libertarian fangism. You can look it up. It It'll Well, it won't show you because you know, the media is trying to silence.
>> Worker ownership with the means of production, the factories, tools, land, and raw materials. It's a core tenant of socialist theory.
>> No, it's not. No, it's not lying. That's a lie. It's It's part of >> All right. that's been a part of socialist theory for for um since the beginning since Markx. I have no idea what the hell he's talking about. All right, Big G. Big G, go ahead and come on up. We We can go ahead and talk about that.
How's it going, Big G?
>> Yo, >> how's it going? Are you at least 18?
Big G, are you at least 18?
Big G, hello, you there, Big G?
Uh, I'm not sure where your mic went. U, let me invite you to unmute. Okay, go ahead. You can, uh, you can unmute now.
I invite you to unmute.
Go ahead and click on that mic. You can unmute cuz I invited you to unmute.
>> Can you hear me now?
>> Yeah, now I can hear you. All right. But I don't know what happened. I didn't kick you. I didn't kick Big G, y'all. I I didn't kick him. I I don't know what happened. I don't know why he why he uh why he dropped out. All right, I'm going to go ahead and give it a um a few more minutes. Um all right, y'all. So, over on the YouTube, the the link is pinned and I've given several people the link if they would like to join in and and speak and like join in and talk. Um you guys can uh go ahead and click on that link and we can definitely have that conversation.
All right.
All right, guys. We're going to go ahead and give it a few more moments and then I'm going to go ahead and get out of here.
I appreciate you all for for being here.
Um, once again, the uh the the link is pinned and we can go ahead and and talk uh whoever would like to have a conversation.
Not a problem. Carl Marks, let me invite Big G one more time to see what exactly happened. I I don't know why he uh he dropped out.
But anyway, guys, um don't know why. Um there's a few folks who I gave the link to, but for some reason they couldn't join.
Oh, it's raining.
>> Hey, babe.
Babes.
What?
>> You heard the food?
>> Um, yes.
>> It's on his way.
>> All right.
Let me know if y'all want to see my wife.
All right. So, while we here, I do want to thank uh Moon Moond Dog for the $1 super chats. For the double up, for the $1 super chats. Hey, I appreciate that though, Moond Dog. You know what I mean?
I do appreciate that. I appreciate any support anybody will um would like to give me. I do appreciate any support you um anybody would like to give me. But yeah, for the person who wants me to take off my hat, uh send a $15 super chat and not take off my hat. If you want to see my big beautiful head, you know what I mean? My big beautiful mega mine head, go ahead and uh and pay me and then I'll go ahead and show you my head over on Deconstruction Junction. You guys are uh amazing. Do uh do appreciate y'all.
Uh, PB Tech, you told me a long time ago that I'm a psychopath and no one should be speaking to me, but you still hear crash not in the comments. Like, take your [ __ ] ass somewhere else, bro.
Like, this bad is sitting here in the comments. Like, he called me a psychopath at first, right? And I asked him, "Hey, why you think I'm a psychopath? Let's go ahead and talk about it." He didn't want to talk and he's been sitting here crashing out this entire time. Like if you think I'm a psycho and you don't think I deserve a conversation, you know, [ __ ] off somewhere. Like it's it's so funny, bro.
It's so funny how how y'all do that is is like, "Oh, you're you're stupid. No one should talk to you and then you sit here for 15 minutes and crash out. It's it's it's insane.
It's insane, bro.
All right. So, Wind Walker, apologies, Wind Walker. Again, the the link is pinned to to join. So, you can go ahead and join me there.
And I don't think I'm going to get any more guests for tonight. But, all right, guys. I don't think I'm getting any more guests. So, I'm going to go ahead and get out of here. I'm going to go ahead and close out the line. Uh, let me go ahead and close this out.
All right, that's closed. No more guests, guys.
Uh, and let me close that out as well.
All right, guys. No more guests. Uh, we're going to go ahead and get and get out of here. Once again, I appreciate you all for being here. Appreciate everybody who watched me over on Vuly Thoughts. Appreciate everybody who watched me over on the Deconstruction Junction. Uh, appreciate all the support. Even those who said that, you know, you don't um you don't care for what I say, that's fine. Once again, you can always join in join in in the in in the chat. I always leave the link so you guys can join in. Not a problem for me.
If you would like to join in um and we can go ahead and have a conversation. I appreciate everybody who was uh who was here. Um again wind Walker the link was there. You didn't you didn't join the conversation so I guess you don't want to talk but appreciate everybody who who like to talk. Appreciate all all the support. I'll be on tomorrow as well.
I'll be on earlier around 3:30. Don't forget to sub.
My favorite leftist leader, Martin Luther King. It's my favorite leftist leader is Martin Luther King. Uh Huey P.
Newton. Come. Well, Martin Luther King, Huey P. Newton, and um Malcolm X. Those would be my top three cuz they they all kind of tie. They all, you know, have the things that I like.
And I do have a mix of Garvey in it as well. Even though Garvey was a capitalist, Garvey believed in capitalism. That's communal. So that means that the profits goes towards like a social responsibility. Uh that's a capitalist that Garvey that Garvey believed. I do like that type of capitalism. It's more communal than the the profit motive that we see today. But anyway, I'm going to go ahead and get out of here y'all. I appreciate y'all.
Um y'all have a good night. Uh remember y'all to be secure, be affectionate, be wise.
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