Shawn Ryan Stunned by Undercover ATF Agent’s Darkest MS-13 Story

Added: 2026-05-15

[00:00:00]They were talking about what are we going to do with Chris's body when we get done killing him. It's like poke about 10 holes in that [ __ ] He goes because what happens is when we throw him in the water in a river, gas blows him up and he floats to the surface.

[00:00:10]>> I'm sorry. What did you just say?

[00:00:11]>> MS-13. And they cut the out of her stomach and then throat. There's evil in these people's eyes, man. They've got that look and you just know you can just feel it. This guy will kill me in a minute. This guy has killed people before. Where were you when I read that uh you got threatened to they're going to kill you, poke holes in your chest?

[00:00:33]>> Yeah, that was a guy. Um so we started after probably 10 years of the um the bike case. I had the same US attorney in the central district of Illinois. He did the Outlaws case. Uh he did the Hell's Henchmen angel part. Um, and then we went back and because we could show historically that the Grim Reapers had bought about 250 kilos from the Juliet Angels, we did a dry conspiracy on those guys and arrested like I think three or four members out of Juliet Outlaws and got them on the drug conspiracy. So, this is like up to 2000, right around in there, I think. Yeah. 99 2000, right?

[00:01:10]Um, we're still working on Jay's um or not Jay's but uh Mel's indictment when we got him on 2004.

[00:01:19]Uh then after that I started doing um we were doing these Gideon operations around the country. And so we would go to like the worst city in the country and we would deploy into there. We would spend about two months doing a workup talking to the local police department.

[00:01:33]Who are your worst guys? Who's the shot callers? Who are the hitters? Who are the trigger pullers? And we would focus on just those guys specifically to try to wrap them up in anything we could get. You know, El Capone eventually went to jail for income tax evasion. So, never went to jail for how many people he killed or shot or booze, but income tax. So, we found like ways to go in and try to take that violence out of that community. One of the ways we did it was um stash house robberies. So, I pretend like I'm a stash house robber. I'm a courier and um I know where probably 20 kilos of Coke is. And it's kind of a whole scenario. I don't want to bore you with it completely, but >> it's not boring.

[00:02:11]>> And a lot of a lot of >> Don't think that >> a lot of people are still out there kind of um doing something similar. We changed it up a little bit, but we still do these type of proactive cases. Um so I act like a drug courier and I go to the worst guys you got in a neighborhood. I go, "You got some killers, man." And I met one guy one time in Vegas. He sat there and he pretty much succinctly put it in play.

[00:02:30]He goes, he goes, "I don't need robbers to rob this place." He goes, "I need killers that are going to rob because the way it's set up is I know where the dope is and I can drive us there eventually. However, there's four armed guards and they're vats. They're they're cartel guys. They are not going to give that dope up be just because we asked for it." And they're like, "No, we understand. And we run it just the exact way a stash house runs for the cartels."

[00:02:57]So everything looked exactly above board in the criminal community because that's how they operate and that's how our scenario is set up.

[00:03:04]So, um there's always a plan. The only guy that will uh that is a connection between the stash house robbers and the cartel is me. I'm the guy that is going to be introducing every actually not introducing bringing them to the stash house to kill everybody and steal the coke. So, they know at the end of the day, cartels, they just they don't like 20 bricks gone. They're going to want to know where their dope went and they're want to try to find who [ __ ] robbed them. So, I'm the only lynch pin. So, these guys generally always have another conversation without me that involves killing me. And this guy in this instance, they were talking about what are we going to do with his body? What are we going to do with Chris's body when we get done killing him? He's like, poke about 10 holes in that [ __ ] man. He goes, "We got to get deep in there. Poke 10 holes." He goes, "Cuz what happens is when we throw him in the water in a river, gas blows him up and he floats to the surface."

[00:04:00]Poke about 10 holes. 10 holes in a [ __ ] he'll stay down with the fishies. So that's what that that was the we're going to kill Chris. But generally in those cases, they're always going to kill you at the end. But we've got things in place that they're not going to kill you until they get the location of the stash house if we take them off before that.

[00:04:20]Holy [ __ ] >> Yeah, it works great. It's the most some of the most violent guys I've ever met in my life are on those cases because they're about we're killing everybody in the house. I'm like right on, bro.

[00:04:35][ __ ] And then so many crimes have been solved after the fact when these guys cooperate because you're looking at a chunk of time on that case. Most of these guys already have a history, violent history. They've already got convictions that bodess against them on the on the federal case. They got a gun.

[00:04:50]The amount of dope we charge that they were going to rob. So they they look at a substantial war and the only way to get out from under that is to cooperate.

[00:04:56]So you end up with guys that say, "Well, I could tell you about three murders or four murders." Uh give those up. So >> I mean, I'm just, you know, going through some of the stuff in this staff house operate staff house operate staff >> stash >> stash house operations. I mean fe, Arizona, 2009, 70 arrests during a wave of home invasions at drug locations.

[00:05:19]Oakland, California, 2012. Police chief requested ATF help after violent crimes rose 20%. Four months later four months later shootings were cut in half. California 2012 crew member provided information to led FBI to solve nearly $1 million in Arnold car heist.

[00:05:39]>> Chicago 2013 >> arrested gang gangster disciples and forcer from Englewood. One of later charged with murder on bail.

[00:05:48]>> Mhm.

[00:05:51]But you put a real [ __ ] dent in they're bad people what was going on over there.

[00:05:58]>> Yeah.

[00:05:59]But it wasn't just me, man. I I mean I the ones you're talking about I did, but we've done those around the country and guys have done uh some really heinous guys. I think I might have We were talking earlier about the U MS-13 guys that cut the fetus out of the girl's stomach.

[00:06:16]Um Richie Zas, my partner from Tampa, Cuban guy. He did those guys. Um >> I'm sorry. What did you just say?

[00:06:24]>> The MS-13. Um it was the guys that FBI had a case and they had an informant, female informant that was giving them information. They'd relocated her and she came back to her red zone.

[00:06:36]Unfortunately, they found her. They lured to a lured her to a bridge under a bridge. Uh she was pregnant. Um, so by virtue of the fact that she gave information about MS-13, they went ahead and held her up and they cut the fetus out of her stomach and then slit her throat. Um, Richie Zas, my partner from Tampa, had done that se cruise guys, bought guns and dope off those guys. Um, and then he testified at the sentencing about all the other criminal activity they had done and were doing at that time in addition to the murder that they killed that witness and cut the fetus out of her stomach.

[00:07:13]>> [ __ ] man. What's it like looking these [ __ ] in the eyes? It's fun because you know they're going to go to jail in a minute uh on the takedown and stuff.

[00:07:26]Um, but I tell you, that's where people say there's not evil out there.

[00:07:30]Everybody has selfworth. That's not true. I believe people can change. I believe generally that people are good, but there is evil. And there is evil in these people's eyes, man. They've got that look. And you just know that you can just feel it. This guy will kill me in a minute. This guy has killed people before. But those are the guys we need to we want to remove them from the community. You know, it's like crab grass in your lawn. You know, the bad guys, the uber violent guys are the crab grass. You want to remove that so the rest of the grass can grow, healthy grass can grow. And so you gota you got to have proactive law enforcement and you got to do that. But, you know, with the anti-law enforcement stuff and everything's racially biased, it's like it's it's harder to do those without having to fight that defense >> a lot of times.

[00:08:19]>> Yeah. You know, it's almost like um on the stash house stuff after I retired, you know, I did a a thing for the Chicago Sun Times because I was tired of getting this, you're getting the defense side of it, but you're not getting the pro the proactive side and why it's important to do those kinds of cases. Um and I, you know, they're like, "Well, you're just you're just doing it in this one community. You're doing the black community, their Hispanic community, or this community." I was like, "No, we're doing in any community we find violent guys that are willing to step up and kill somebody for [ __ ] cocaine because they're not doing good in the community." I said, "We need to remove them because they're not just doing this, they're doing other criminal activity." And so when we meet them and we talk to them and they're like, "Hey, we're it." Like the guy I did a couple for the FBI in Chicago and uh they were the one you read. They were the enforcers. Get that off the internet. Is that is that where you got those guys were Okay. Those guys were the enforcers for um uh the Gangster Disciples on the Southside. And the guy told me, the guy that that led the crew, the guy I stepped to first to say, "Hey, you got anybody that would do this or interested?" He says, "I'm interested and I've got a crew." And I said, "Well, I got to meet them because you want to get that conversation from everybody."

[00:09:30]And he I meet his crew and he comes over to me afterwards. He goes, "What do you think of my little go-getters, man?" I said, "Fuck, dude. They're about it, man. They'll jerk a pistol and go to work, won't they?" He goes, "Fuck yeah."

[00:09:39]He goes, "You know, all that violence in Englewood, all these murders that have happened, the last five murders on the southside, my guys, my guys took care of that." I'm like, "Right on, brother."

[00:09:49]So, that's the people that you're taking out of the community, those uber violent guys you're taking out of the community, and that's important to do, man.

[00:09:57]But they're like, they were, you know, Black Angry Disciples. So, they're a black gang. So, the question is from the judge and stuff, why are you picking on, you know, you're just doing black guys?

[00:10:06]I'm like, "Look, look at the violence in these two communities on the west side and the south side of Chicago. Look at the level of violence there." I go, "It's almost like losing your keys in the garage, but you're looking for them in the kitchen." It's like, because the light's better and it's warmer. I said, "Bro, I'm not going to catch I'm not going to find the keys in my kitchen cuz I've lost them in the garage. I'm not if I'm tasked with preventing and and stopping violent crime, especially use with a firearm. I go, I got to go to places where it's very violent and they're using firearms." And unfortunately, it's disproportionately in these communities, but there's good people in those communities that if the priors are taken out, gives them a chance to bring.

[00:10:43]>> And you know what happens if you don't [ __ ] pay attention to those communities and you let all those criminals keep going? You're a racist then, too.

[00:10:50]>> Correct, dude. There's no It's common sense and good judgment has left the arena at this point.

[00:10:55]>> It's just a [ __ ] losing battle.

[00:10:57]>> Absolutely.

[00:10:57]>> You try to do good, you're a racist. You try to do bad, you're a racist. Like it's just it's just it's it's it's [ __ ] ridiculous.

[00:11:06]>> Yeah. We had 30 shootings last weekend in Chicago.

[00:11:09]>> 30 shootings.

[00:11:11]>> And that's not even a it's not even what we call good weekend for shootings. I crime has violent crime, murders, they've gone down to a degree. Um and it it's kind of on a slope. And it happened when the attitude toward law enforcement changed. Unfortunately, you know, it's got to be political. And I think finally after the George Floyd [ __ ] was done and the defund the police attitude was done, proactive law enforcement's coming back and you're starting to see those the benefits of that which is taking these violent guys off the street. Man, >> I said that wrong. I need to correct myself. I said good or bad. You you pay attention and you give the community attention and you arrest the bad guys, >> right?

[00:11:53]>> In a black community and you're a racist, right? If you neglect it because you're labeled a racist and you let crime run rampid, you're a racist, right?

[00:12:01]>> So, what the [ __ ] are you supposed to do?

[00:12:03]>> You know, you keep your nose down, you do your job. I know what I do. I know I when I go to heaven and God says, "What about these guys? I I can account for everybody I put in jail." You know, I didn't not going to lie on anybody. I'm not going to do any of that [ __ ] You know, these guys went to jail because they jerked a pistol and went to work or they went or they were talking about doing it or they've already killed people. So these are the guys that we want to do, man. It's like like Mel and I and God bless him for changing his life and I'm glad he did. But at that time, Neil needed Mel needed to be taken off the set. He was the head of the snake. And I think that's why once he changed and he went to jail, that's why the US attorney that had all these cases, he goes, "Man, we've had a good run. We've done a lot of clubs. We've done a lot of violent guys. There's no more that Rico's that Sandy the Vulcaner did up in Wisconsin that stopped the violence, man. cuz guys got we're looking at life and some guys got life.

[00:12:56]It's like you know what and for what?

[00:12:59]You know, it's almost like the uh the freaking Rotary Club got after it with the uh some other philanthropic group in the community and said, "Your fish fry is not that good, so we're going to kill you guys." I mean, there's no no actual reason to do that other than be just for the sake of violence being violence, man. No matter where you're watching the Shawn Ryan Show from, if you get anything out of this at all, anything, please like, comment, and subscribe. And most importantly, share this everywhere you possibly can. And if you're feeling extra generous, head to Apple Podcast and Spotify and leave us a review.