A witty exploration of how historical spite inadvertently births institutional legitimacy. It proves that today’s mockery is often tomorrow’s most prestigious brand.
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What connects Quakers and the Big Bang?Added:
What is the similarity between the Big Bang, the Tories, Cubism, and the Quakers?
I'll give you that one more time.
What is the similarity between the Big Bang, the Tories, Cubism, and the Quakers?
This is almost the ideal question for me as an art historian and a Quaker, but not a Tory.
(others giggling) And not involved... The Big Bang....in the Big Bang.
But almost half.
Two outta four ain't bad. (laughs) Well, I am aware of the Big Bang.
Of Tories, of Cubism, and of Quakers, and— Oh, that's it. That's the answer.
Matt's aware of them. That's— Thank you, alright!
We'll move on to question two! There we go.
I know there's a whole thing about Quakers not speaking much, but I'd have to say that the Tories are certified yappers.
(blurts laugh) That's a difference.
Very, very Gen Z little slang going in there, Matt.
(giggles) Yes.
Whoa, hang on, remind me again.
It's the Big Bang, Tories, Quakers and... Cubism.
Cubism.
Which is... an art style where everything looks a bit odd and mixed up sometimes, and with perspectives, as I understand it.
I mean, I'm gonna ask the art historian for a definition there.
(group chuckles) Yeah.
What is the cubism?
So, cubism was invented by Picasso and Georges Braque.
And they were basically like super, super besties.
And then they fell out and never spoke about it again.
So, so maybe there's something here about lovers' tiffs.
But fundamentally, with Cubism, you can see the same thing from multiple perspectives at one time, so... Which is why it all looks a bit blobby, but... Cubism?
Maybe they all started in France.
(laughs heartily) Notoriously, the Big Bang.
It's got French energy.
(giggles) It's the centre of everything.
(laughs) (Matt and Rowan wheeze) Technically it should be called Le Grande Bang, but... Ah! (guests laughing) Le Grand Pouf. Thank you.
I was really hoping that someone would come up with a translat— Because I started that sentence, and by the time I got to the end of it, I didn't have the French word for 'bang'.
(Verity and Rowan giggle) So I know obviously the Tories is not... I'm interested in that phrase as opposed to 'conservatives', because technically it's kind of the same as saying like the GOP for the Republicans.
Like it's a nickname or it's another name for it.
And so I'm wondering if this is kind of like a suffragette style thing where... it's not the original name for the thing.
It got named by someone who was in opposition to it, or named as a nickname that wasn't meant to be good.
And then they were like, "I guess this is us now."
Yes. Yes.
Oh.
(group laughs heartily) Do you wanna talk more about the— Do we start with the Tories there?
I'm not gonna lie to you, Tom.
I truly don't know.
This wasn't like, I knew that that was true for one of them, and so I extrapolated.
I truly didn't know that was true for any of them.
But I was like, I just know that this is maybe something that wasn't, 'cause the big bang also, it's not necessarily like an officious sounding thing for quite an important theory.
So yeah, that was just a guess into the darkness that turned out to be correct.
The 'Big Bang' was popularised by astronomer Fred Hoyle on BBC Radio in 1949.
He was sceptical about it.
He thought it sounded ridiculous.
Thank you, Producer David.
The Big Bang in French is 'Le Big Bang'.
Thank you. Never!
Thank you so much. Or alternatively, 'Le Grande Explosion'.
But 'Le Big Bang' is what people use.
You mentioned Georges Braque, Verity, who is in my notes here.
Yeah.
I also have Louis Vauxcelles.
Yeah, so he basically... he was a writer, and then he basically named loads of art movements being like, "I think this is no good."
And then they were like, "I like the name 'no good'. We'll use that."
So he's all over the place.
Yeah, and that's what happened with Cubism.
'Tory' was originally... I mean, it says in my notes, it's a 'slur', which I feel is a strong term to use.
But it comes from the Irish 'tóraidhe', which I'm probably mispronouncing, for outlaw or robber. And— Oh, it's quite accurate then.
(cackles) And 'Quaker', I'm gonna ask the Quaker, do you know where that name came from?
Well, it used to— back in the 17th century, when the Quakers were founded by George Fox.
And the idea is that you sort of, you're having a think, and then maybe you'll sort of have some sort of revelation about the way we live and the world we live in, which can cause you to basically have a bit of a flutter.
So I imagine it was a slightly eye-rolly, "All of this quaking they're doing. Oh."
Yep. Quaking or trembling in a religious context.
Absolutely right, Rowan, out of nowhere, congratulations.
They all came from derisive nicknames.
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