Live after premiere of Fentanyl Series episode 344

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[00:00:30]Hi folks, thanks for joining us after the premiere of episode 344.

[00:00:39]Uh I think that our storyteller is is with us. She was she was in the in the in the chat during the premiere. I I hope she was able to join us here. I see we have quite a few people here.

[00:00:58]Let me see where we're at. We have some comments. Cameron on Facebook.

[00:01:12]Hello, Cheryl. Thank you for joining us.

[00:01:15]Uh, all of your um, how was that? How was the premiere for you?

[00:01:33]Brenda says, "Hey, Cameron, how are you doing today?" Biola says, "Hey, Biola, look at that. You You made it earlier this time." Good job. Good job. So here we are at Cameron. Yeah. Are you on Facebook? Are we are we connection emotional?

[00:01:57]Yeah.

[00:02:04]Yeah. I'm sure.

[00:02:14]Yeah, but there is a Carla's here.

[00:02:30]Is are are we friends? Are we like recent friends? like like we connected recently.

[00:02:41]I I saw a Cameron profile that had the picture of a jail cell as the profile picture.

[00:02:52]I don't know what to do with that. I don't know how to figure that out, but I thought maybe you could explain it.

[00:03:00]Cheryl says, "Hoping to hoping for people to see addiction differently."

[00:03:09]Yeah.

[00:03:16]Actually, there is there is talk about Oklahoma City next March, which is which is quite a ways away, but but I I think we'll wind up in Oklahoma City before then, but there's nothing nothing definite.

[00:03:35]Uh Kev says, "Despite my outburst, I still love your work. It also makes me realize we have lots of work to do. I've lost for four friends to fentanyl, but I've also lost 48 28 friends to protect protracted injury.

[00:03:52]Yeah, I'm I'm well aware that that protracted injury, the long-term impact that that what what Kev is talking about is is those those the long-term damage, the sustained long-term damage that happens to people who they they don't lose their life to overdose. It's that long-term damage.

[00:04:30]And that's not even that's not even track. Nobody talks about that, which is stupid.

[00:04:40]Nobody talks about that damage. Nobody talks about the damage to families either.

[00:04:49]That If all of the dialogue is just about death count that that's really all people talk all that's that's all the news media talks about.

[00:05:02]The families that we talk to, they certainly talk about the impact on on families and they talk about long-term impact because a lot of times the stories are long-term impact that leads up to that fatal dose.

[00:05:28]Bren, this is Cheryl. Thank you for having the strength of character and courage to share your family's journey through Ryan's active addiction and recoveries.

[00:05:37]I am 20 months clean off fentinel. This video helped me greatly.

[00:05:47]It's always great to see Brenda here.

[00:05:50]Very grateful for all you guys. All you guys. Even even the ones I argue with. All you guys the dialogue is what matters so much. That's how people grow. That's how people learn is by talking about sharing stories.

[00:06:11]Everybody grows when someone shares a story. Not just the people in the audience, not just the people who listen, but the person who does the sharing grows too.

[00:06:22]Everybody grows.

[00:06:27]Brenda says, "Amen.

[00:06:30]My physical health is in the toilet compared to before addiction. My brain is slowly getting better, but I need to know to fight all that is wrong with forprofit addiction industry.

[00:06:47]the forprofit thing. That's a challenge because ultimately, you know, everything has to have some sort of return to make to make it a sustainable thing.

[00:07:10]We We all have bills. We all have car payments, mortgages, whatever. We all have life expenses. We we have to eat. We have to support ourselves.

[00:07:24]And same is true for addiction uh counselors and and other people, even even the best ones, they can't do it for free. Someone needs to compensate them some kind of way for doing what they're doing as opposed to doing something else to make a living.

[00:08:00]Sorry, I'm back.

[00:08:31]Sorry. Okay.

[00:08:36]Brad says, "Remember the five-year plan?" And and Carlo was asking about the hoodies.

[00:08:42]Uh I I've missed some comments. Keep up the work.

[00:08:50]Pro Cheryl, take your other take your other children also. Drugs.

[00:09:01]What?

[00:09:02]Kev's careers, homes, marriages, children. not speaking to them. It's just amazing how injured you can get trying to improve a situation.

[00:09:16]Yeah, we're we're all learning as we go.

[00:09:21]That's that's how that's how life works.

[00:09:32]And Cheryl says, "No, my other children do not do drugs."

[00:09:36]Brenda, this is in cancer treatment for profit.

[00:09:48]Hey, Kimberly says, "Thank you for your knowledge and hope." Brenda, uh, Brad's asking, Brenda, do you remember the five-year plan? It's supposed to start tomorrow, I believe.

[00:10:02]And hello, George. Thank you for joining us. I have I have your book. It's on the shelf right behind me.

[00:10:13]Appreciate you being here. We're talking about talking about the big premiere, the the premiere of the most recent episode.

[00:10:24]And the next one is ready. The next one will probably be it'll either be Wednesday or Thursday.

[00:10:36]Kev says, "I thought stopping benzoazipene was going to improve my health and it took nearly all of it.

[00:10:51]And then came says what will help is hope. That is that is the thing.

[00:11:08]What will I understand it's a very abstract thing but hope is a a valid thing.

[00:11:19]There is I once did a project in 1993.

[00:11:23]It was right after the fall of the Soviet Union and I did a project in Siberia in a town in Siberia called Two Men where we toured we like I have an imaginary friend. And it was me and 130 lbs of video gear touring hospitals into men with five American doctors.

[00:11:47]And what the doctors told me, they they said the the the medical condition there was where the US was in the 1930s.

[00:12:03]they were that far behind according to these doctors.

[00:12:09]And so one of one of the doctors when when I interviewed him, he said that that that the big thing that seems to heal people more than anything else is faith.

[00:12:30]is believing it will.

[00:12:35]I thought that was interesting.

[00:12:37]Powerful says something about the human spirit.

[00:13:03]Carla says, "I hope you come through there here soon." Meaning Oklahoma. I do too. Uh I I wanna I want to figure out I want to figure out a reason to or you know maybe just make it a weekend trip and do a sum not a summit but a a gathering a get together where people just come together at Toby Keiths or someplace else that has a ramp for your dad and and we just just uh hang out for a while.

[00:13:40]or do a summit like last time at the we shot at a church and we could do the summit and then at night go to go to Toby Keith and get the senior discount and and you know all that cool stuff totally game but dude summer's still kind of open for Or we could go mudding.

[00:14:13]Why, Brenda?

[00:14:17]Why?

[00:14:22]Carla said it was hard.

[00:14:26]How was your mother's day?

[00:14:38]Uh, Carla Carla was at the White House again.

[00:14:49]Carla says, "It's always good to see Glenn here."

[00:14:53]That's that's cool. Thank you, Carl.

[00:14:57]That means a lot to me.

[00:15:03]Brenda, this is Brad. I hope you're super proud of Carla. She's absolutely amazing with her accomplishments completed while grieving Rain's loss. She's moving mountains.

[00:15:16]Yeah.

[00:15:22]Yeah. Carla is is she's on it. She's on it like Oprah on a baked tan.

[00:15:32]She's on it like a rat on a Cheeto.

[00:15:38]She's She's on it. That's the sixth stage of grief.

[00:15:46]I believe the sixth stage of grief I believe is purpose mission.

[00:16:05]Figuring out a way to pull some kind of value out of your terrible loss.

[00:16:17]Kev Kev says, "Uh, I wanna I want to duplicate what you do, Glenn. I want to make my own athesia stories." I think I think I' I'd do better with it if it was easier to say.

[00:16:31]I want to I want to make my own athesia stories. I'm that jealous.

[00:16:37]Well, cut it out. and any anybody can do what we're doing.

[00:16:45]It's it it we we we very much stumbled into this of three and a half years ago now.

[00:17:00]The DEA here in Houston hired us to create stories like this during a summit, a family summit that they put on in Houston.

[00:17:12]And when we did, we put them on our YouTube channel like we'd always like we do with all of our work and they took off.

[00:17:26]before that event and before we started putting those stories on our channel, we had had we had had a YouTube channel for 13 years and during those 13 years we managed to accumulate about 1,600 subscribers and then we started putting those fentel stories on and it took off.

[00:18:00]So, we kept doing it because it seemed important to do it.

[00:18:08]And as our audience grew, we started adding other topics like addiction recovery and human trafficking, domestic violence, cannabis induced psychosis, other stuff.

[00:18:33]Cheryl says, "Thank you, Glenn, for the opportunity to share Ryan's story. I appreciate it. You're making a difference. You did a great job with his story."

[00:18:47]Risk says, "Hi, Carla. I'm okay. I could always could always be worse.

[00:18:56]It could always be worse.

[00:18:59]I don't know. There's something that just sounds positively pessimistic about that, you know.

[00:19:10]Well, it can always be worth worse.

[00:19:19]Kimberly's gonna rewatch Ryan's story again. Carla's here. I'm here. Mother's Day is so hard. You know, last year last year we made a message about Mother's Day and kind of reposted it on Facebook.

[00:19:32]This year, next year we'll do we'll do a new one.

[00:19:39]We also posted a I I don't even know what to call them. I I feel like they're sort of like my rants where we posted uh we there's that imaginary friend again. I posted a rant about addiction.

[00:20:03]Uh some of you guys saw that. I know Brenda made a comment about it. Kev says just when you think you're in hell, realize hell has a basement. I know. I found it.

[00:20:26]The thing is you can't you can't you can't identify rock bottom until it's behind you.

[00:20:42]You don't know what rock bottom is until you look back on it and say, "Okay, that was way worse."

[00:20:53]So, you can't you can't look around and say, "Wow, this is where I bought."

[00:21:04]That's how it seems to me.

[00:21:14]Glenn, what about Father's Day for them losing children? Yeah, I don't know.

[00:21:23]Yeah, Carla, you guys should definitely do the followup.

[00:21:31]For sure. And maybe in Oklahoma City there's there's other topics that we do stories about that that we didn't really address when we were there last time.

[00:21:51]You know, there's there's we have stories on on cannabis induced psychosis and stories about domestic violence and human trafficking. Impaired driving. Impaired driving is it's not it's not it's not really a new topic for me, but it's a new one for us to to to create in this format.

[00:22:18]And impaired driving, I think, is a big one because for sure it's a it's a totally random thing.

[00:22:30]Brenda says, "Glenn, I landed at rock bottom and the circled the drain there at rock bottom for four years before I got clean. It was hell."

[00:22:43]I believed you. Carla says, "Let's do a summit." Well, yeah, Carla. Let's do it.

[00:22:51]The rest is up to you. You know, you walked into that. That that's I'm seriously all we really need is is a location and help finding people who want to share their stories. And that that word's a big deal. Want. W want to share their stories. We don't want people that are willing to share their stories. We want people who want to share their stories. There's a difference.

[00:23:27]So, yeah, let's let's do a summit. We could do it at the same church or we could do it somewhere else.

[00:23:36]Brenda says, "Carla, what mountain are we going to climb?" We're not Well, I don't see climbing any mountains.

[00:23:44]Brenda, you you should we we we do a summit. You should certainly be there.

[00:23:49]If you don't want to share your story yet, you can still be there. You can hang out in the connection room. In fact, I have some pictures of different connection rooms that I put together for an email to someone and and I could walk you'all through those. I I think they're interesting. And the connection room never gets enough dialogue. It never gets enough attention cuz it is such a magic place where people hang out, connect, bond, laugh, cry, and grow.

[00:24:26]Growth is such a big deal.

[00:24:36]So, yeah, Carla, definitely a followup.

[00:24:41]I think a follow-up would be great. You have, and just thinking about you, you've got you've got pictures of you with the president of the United States. There's also pictures of you with Jelly Roll. And that's just a couple of things.

[00:24:56]And those are Oh, those are those are big deals.

[00:25:11]Uh, when I hear the word summit, I think of climbing. Oh, I will definitely be there. Who knows if I will feel strong enough to share my story. I will ask God to start getting me ready. Here's It it it doesn't it's a conversation with a person.

[00:25:39]You're just talking to me. You can't see the camera.

[00:25:47]Is it is I walk you through it.

[00:26:06]I'm trying to put together a mental health conference here in Memphis. And I think I think that we could be coming back to Memphis for something related to the the we fight monsters people.

[00:26:23]Maybe we'll see. We'll see. We're We're game for going wherever.

[00:26:37]Your motorcycle's in the garage.

[00:26:44]They're a three-wheeler.

[00:26:55]So let let me see. I believe that I can quickly find maybe.

[00:27:17]All right. All right. So, we're going to go through some of these and I'm just gonna gonna see if I can make this happen.

[00:27:35]I I think maybe I did it. I think maybe I got it here.

[00:27:39]Oops. We got to make that larger for sure.

[00:27:47]And There we go.

[00:27:57]All right.

[00:27:59]All right. So, I'm just going to take you guys through some pictures from summits and after event gatherings.

[00:28:13]Kev says, "I'm fine with mental health conferences as long as the warn of anti-depressant injury and anti-depressant tapering injury and deal benzoazipene injury and benzio induced neurological dysfunction.

[00:28:42]There's a lot of mental health conferences that don't don't don't devote energy to pharmaceuticals, don't devote energy to prescription drugs. They devote energy to they call it talk therapy, but basically they're devoting industry in industry. Yeah, I I I've been using English for a while. I know better than that. They've been using interaction you using talk therapy using connection that's the kind of therapy that I hear of as being motivating that sounds productive Russ says, "Carla, visit the ocean."

[00:29:50]Yeah, Carla, come on down to Houston.

[00:29:53]Uh, come come to Galveston. We could do a summit in Galveastston.

[00:29:58]That'd be cool. It'd be near the beach.

[00:29:59]You guys in Oklahoma don't see a whole lot of the beach, I'm imagining.

[00:30:09]I I explained to y'all why Texas has a big debt to Oklahoma user says slow speed slow speed I don't I don't know what to do with that user uh it it's that that's not that's not much of a name but I feel like I have seen comments from you recently on stories on our channel. I don't know for sure because there's a lot of people who have names that start with user something.

[00:31:00]Don't know what that was.

[00:31:03]Ris says I'm on a different I'm on a different part of the Gulf. We have better We have prettier beaches. No offense, Lynn.

[00:31:14]I I don't I don't care that. Yeah, Florida has better beaches.

[00:31:21]Corpus, uh, Padre Island, they have better beaches, too. Galveastston. The the the sandy bottom beach means that the water is typically kind of brown for the first 100 yards as as you head out. and and so uh yeah brands I know the story Brad you realize you and I are probably the only who know what diet love pass refers to Yes. Jake. Jake, we I I've spoken with Jake and we talked about trying to make something happened. Jake would uh I'm pretty sure uh I I say spoke to we exchanged quite a few messages as the fury around around uh Leo's law built up. We were talking for a while and and were never quite able to make it happen. It was before the Memphis summit.

[00:32:47]Uh Carla says, "I'd like that risk. Rain love the ocean."

[00:33:00]So, I want to sh I want to share with you guys some pictures from from from summits. So, here we go. So, this is a a I guess you could call it like a afterparty and and there's some of our storytellers with us right now. Uh uh one of the people the the woman who's standing next to Sherry is uh uh struggling struggling with some difficulties in the hospital and uh prayers are certainly with her.

[00:33:41]Kev says waterfront property is good whenever it is wherever it is. Fun fact, New Hampshire has more water per square mile than any other state in the country.

[00:33:55]Well, cool.

[00:33:58]This this event right here is after I believe this is just this is after the very first summit, the one that we did for the DEA and this was an event that was in January of 2023 and this is when we were first discovering how how how many people these stories can reach on YouTube.

[00:34:35]Here's an event with anybody there we know there's Chrissy standing uh right behind me and behind her is Joanne Lopez and across the table is Carrie Lou Bell and and some other folks. And this was in Austin, Texas.

[00:35:02]And there is Kimberly and some of the other storytellers in Memphis.

[00:35:12]This is an event in Ridgeland, Mississippi that the person speaking, I believe, is from the district attorney's office, uh, sharing some information about enforcement.

[00:35:29]See what else we got here.

[00:35:32]also in Ridgeland. And also in Ridgeland, this is another dinner after a summit.

[00:35:45]This one, I believe, was in Alabama.

[00:35:52]This is an event that was in Virginia in in Richmond at a place called the McShinn Foundation.

[00:36:00]And these are some storytellers.

[00:36:03]And the the connection room was more informal. It was kind of like a big hallway.

[00:36:12]And here is one of the people we interviewed at McShen. She's actually the director and I I don't This is also in Richmond.

[00:36:40]This is in Pensacola.

[00:36:42]There's Kesha and that is that's Hammer Davis and Aisha. There's me back there. Holy cow.

[00:36:56]And uh that was uh dinner after recording a bunch of summits. And here we are again at the same event.

[00:37:06]Sorry. Here we go.

[00:37:14]And this is in Ridgeland, Al Ridgand, Mississippi.

[00:37:19]also Ridgeland, Mississippi, impromptu table of uh the dis display of of loved ones. And I think that's the last one.

[00:37:31]So, I just I just wanted to share some of that with you guys and and and give give you another chance to see a little bit about what happens behind the scenes because behind the scenes is is such a magical thing.

[00:37:47]the way that people connect and bond and it's wonderful and it doesn't get much attention because the sto it's the stories.

[00:37:56]Everybody's together to share their stories and the stories are what really matter to our audience. But that that magic that happens in the connection room is really substantial.

[00:38:15]It's awesome.

[00:38:20]So, I was rambling.

[00:38:25]Well, okay. So, clearly I missed some stuff because Brenda's talking about nine dead Russians on top of a mountain in 1959.

[00:38:38]What did I miss?

[00:38:47]Vikes hand. Does that mean Vikings fan?

[00:38:55]>> Wow, Glenn, the women love you. Oh, thanks.

[00:39:14]No, he doesn't.

[00:39:18]Well, bring Glenn doesn't have a Well, I I feel like I'm No, Glenn doesn't have a clue. What?

[00:39:27]Well, clearly I don't have a clue because I don't know what you're talking about.

[00:39:35]So, Jake will probably want to share Leah's story. Yeah. Yeah. I talked about that. Brad, no. Glenn doesn't have a caves waterfront property. Oh, yeah. We talked I I did that one. No, he doesn't.

[00:39:53]Brad says no, he doesn't.

[00:40:03]Bren, this is Brad. You know they finally identified one of the weapons used and quickly made the information top secret for 75 years.

[00:40:18]What Brad only know this because they have they get special permission to close for 75 years. The standard is to close for 50 years only.

[00:40:35]Uh oh.

[00:40:43]Brad says, "I would love to. This is too much Vikings fan." Too much too much.

[00:40:55]It's kind of a a interesting dynamic here for sure. Bikes fan. What what brought you here?

[00:41:02]Did you Did you see the premiere this evening or I just come across the live? Do you do you watch some of the content on our channel?

[00:41:25]It's like they're trying to escape.

[00:41:30]Renis's risk. Yes, it's very fascinating mystery. I don't know. I don't lie. Gore interests me so much. I was just born a little offkilter.

[00:41:44]Likes fan. I was I'm sober many years and now feel that the behind the scenes video is well weird.

[00:41:57]the the behind the scenes video, the pictures that we shared just a few minutes ago. There is a there is a short video in a recovery series with the uh someone in recovery talks about their experience being in the connection room before sharing their story.

[00:42:20]Uh I think there is there was this real magic that happens in in that other room, in the place where people wait to share their story when we're doing these interviews.

[00:42:34]And in that other room, there'll be people who have a story about recovery or a story about fentanyl poisoning, human trafficking, cannabis induced psychosis, impaired driving, a mix of topics, but they all connect.

[00:42:53]They all they all connect with each other. They they bond very fast. They become close fast. It's awesome.

[00:43:08]Says, "Glenn, I went to Walgreens and to see if I can set up the Narcan outside the store.

[00:43:18]Vikes fan is a Vikings fan." Yeah, I got that. I I I I think I've already said a couple of times I've already called you Vikings fan rather than Vikes fan.

[00:43:32]So, uh, so Risk, you know, Walgreens wouldn't let me set up the Narcan outside the store.

[00:43:57]Wonder wonder why. Nar the Walgreens sells Nlloxxone. They sell Narcan which is one brand name and then they sell other forms of Nlloxxone as well which is 100% equally effective.

[00:44:20]It's the same thing as Narcan just doesn't say it. If you look close in the top corner, it does say compare to Narcan active ingredient.

[00:44:33]It's the same thing. Same same thing.

[00:44:46]Kim says, Kimberly says, I think I'm trying I'm thinking about trying to go to Kroger and talk to the manager about setting up my Nan outside the store.

[00:44:57]Uh, that's cool.

[00:44:59]Uh, Russ says, "Kim, set up.

[00:45:05]Set it up in the park." Yeah, I I was really shocked.

[00:45:11]Kev says, "Repeated Narans and leave you very injured. They should explain."

[00:45:18]That's not true, Kev. That's not true.

[00:45:23]It is not the repeated narcans that leave you injured.

[00:45:32]Repeated doses of nlloxxone can induce withdrawal but nlloxxone the drug in narcan doesn't do the injury the withdrawal does. That's different.

[00:45:52]There's there is no impact to repeated doses of nlloxxone. If you need repeated doses of nlloxxone, yeah, you have some real severe problems, but nlloxxone, narcan, that's not one of them.

[00:46:28]That's the only reason you're alive.

[00:46:34]There is no harm from the lock.

[00:46:42]It It's terrible. It's not responsible to tell people there is because there is not.

[00:46:54]Brenn's off for a diet coke. Ah, I cannot do that now. That diet coke.

[00:47:03]Yeah, it gives me a headache. Just boom, Kev. You can't just make stuff up.

[00:47:15]If you have some sort of evidence about harm caused by the lock zone, you're welcome to send it to me and I'd be happy to share it. But you know, a one-word answer that has nothing factual in it, just that one word wrong.

[00:47:41]That's that's not remotely close to responsible.

[00:47:46]The lockone saves a lot of lives.

[00:47:49]It creates that opportunity to rethink choices and maybe Take a step toward recovery.

[00:48:04]If you're going to send it to me, send it to me.

[00:48:12]Quit while I'm ahead.

[00:48:23]Wow.

[00:48:34]Kevin, we talked to a lot of people.

[00:48:40]A lot.

[00:48:43]People who've been revived by Nlloxxone.

[00:48:46]people who have administered Noloxone physicians and for all the people we've talked to only one has claimed that there's any danger and that's you.

[00:49:13]Show us some evidence.

[00:49:29]I have two friends who are dead because of repeated narc.

[00:49:36]No, you don't.

[00:49:39]No, you don't.

[00:49:44]They could be dead because of repeated opioid use.

[00:49:50]But you do not have two friends that are dead from nlloxxone.

[00:49:56]That is gigantically irresponsible to say that in a public space.

[00:50:04]There's not enough understanding about nlloxxone as it is. There's people who think there's a difference between nlloxxone and narcan.

[00:50:32]Nlloxxone causes breathing.

[00:50:41]Now, lockone knocks opioids off of the opioid receptors and that causes withdrawal.

[00:50:56]It's the absence of the opioid that causes withdrawal, not nlloxxone.

[00:51:10]Nlloxxone has never harmed anyone.

[00:51:22]No, it's not the lockone doing it.

[00:51:27]It's the opioid. It's the addiction.

[00:51:35]Nlloxxone creates a temporary barrier.

[00:51:40]That's all.

[00:51:42]Yeah, it's fast.

[00:51:45]It hurls someone right into the most intense kind of withdrawal.

[00:51:51]If that person has an addiction to an opioid, the withdrawal Kev, you got to stop.

[00:52:24]It's It's misplaced blame.

[00:52:32]It's making up excuses. It's not not Nlloxxone.

[00:52:40]I could spray Nlloxxone up my nose all day long and never have any impact on me at all.

[00:52:56]All right, Kev. I'm sorry. That's it.

[00:53:01]All right.

[00:53:12]Sorry, folks.

[00:53:16]What what Kevin has to say is is is dangerously inaccurate.

[00:53:21]I I can't I I can't say that enough.

[00:53:25]And so, my god, that's irresponsible.

[00:53:34]I I I I How' you do that?

[00:53:39]I I remember a I don't know maybe a year ago some harm reduction people were coming out against Clocks Auto because it's an 8 milligram dose instead of a 4 milligram dose and yes it is far more likely to induce withdrawal at 8 milligrams. However, there is also research in the Journal of the American Medical Association that says higher doses initially are quicker in being effective. And when you're treating something that creates a situation where not enough oxygen is getting to the brain, then seconds matter a lot.

[00:54:33]Uh Brad says don't block him. You know Brad, if it was just if it was just arguing then yeah fine. Who cares?

[00:54:54]But if it's if it's presenting something as fact that I know not to be a fact and something that puts other people's lives in danger, then then yeah, it would be irresponsible of me not to stop it.

[00:55:20]And So I stopped.

[00:55:35]So what what did I miss? Uh Brad, we need to pray for him.

[00:55:44]Black Rain says, "I believe that when it was introduced onto the market, it was for the sole purpose of emergency use, not not to be used repeatedly." Right?

[00:55:54]It's not supposed to be used repeatedly.

[00:55:58]It It's very much an emergency thing.

[00:56:00]It's like a fire extinguisher. That's the big comparison that people make about Nlloxxone.

[00:56:08]And in most cases, that's how it's used.

[00:56:22]Black rain is just like fol. I mean the first time I heard about it was years ago when my uncle was put on it in the hospital.

[00:56:34]Uh, when your uncle was put on fentinel, Brad says maybe he needs our help.

[00:56:59]Well, Brad, I don't I don't know what to say to that.

[00:57:04]Uh, I've seen I've seen a lot of comments from from him on our stories and uh certainly value his perspective.

[00:57:27]But the comments that he was making about nlloxxone are dangerously inaccurate.

[00:57:40]Lifethreateningly dangerously inaccurate.

[00:57:52]If he genuinely believes those things, it's because he wants to.

[00:58:04]There is no It's such a tough spot.

[00:58:15]But if someone is making comments that could put other people's lives in jeopardy, got to stop it.

[00:58:34]The carlo's nlloxxone and narcan will save your life.

[00:58:42]If your problem involves opioids, but only if the problem involves opioids, either synthetic opioids or uh I don't know what you would call non-synthetic opioids other than opioids, but as long as it involves opioids, yeah, it will.

[00:59:11]Black Rain says, "Sometimes its abundance of availability becomes more of a crutch for the user versus a solution to the problem of the rising addiction in the country." Yeah, it does. It does. There's a there's a a a crutch is a good thing. I can be a little bit more brave because I've got I've got Nlloxxone with me or my friend has nlloxxone with them.

[00:59:46]And now horse tranquilizers and fentanel usage are store are soaring.

[01:00:11]Natural versus synthetic are the terms we use.

[01:00:19]I don't know.

[01:00:25]Natural seems natural seems too kind.

[01:00:33]There's still some refinement going on, isn't there? I don't know.

[01:00:47]Black Rain says we have a crisis in this country. We We do. We have We have We have several.

[01:01:01]And all of the crises that we have in this country, I think, boil down to a lack of understanding, lack of information, and maybe a little bit of a lack of compassion.

[01:01:18]There needs to be more resources available for mental health.

[01:01:23]Yeah.

[01:01:25]Uh, absolutely.

[01:01:30]But that's that seems that seems also to be a kind of a double-edged sword.

[01:01:36]Res making more resources available takes money. And as more and more money is in it, more and more fraud evolves from that. more and more.

[01:01:52]Fix everything with a pill or talk therapy or what? Whatever.

[01:02:07]Fix everything with whatever is going to put more money in my pocket.

[01:02:15]I think they use natural because in the beginning in in the very beginning a plant is involved the poppy the the poppy plant I think the naturals sound too healthy but I don't get to vote because I was too busy getting high OG fish thank you for joining us glad you're here black rain we need more regulation.

[01:02:50]But yeah, Viola, I I agree with you. I think natural just seems kind of kind.

[01:02:55]That's what a lot of ptheads say about weed. What's natural?

[01:03:03]Uh so and so somebody said uh Black Rain said there needs to be more resources available for mental health and then someone there needs to be and then Black Rain you said there thus the need for more regulation.

[01:03:33]and and I agree uh need for effective constructive regulation is critical and are is there are are there examples where that has worked in the past?

[01:03:56]I I I'm not saying there aren't. I just I I don't I can't really think of any that regulation with regulation comes fraud.

[01:04:12]I don't know.

[01:04:15]I'd love to figure out where it's made a difference where where regulation works. I suppose with alcohol regulation works. It is tightly regulated in terms of strength and sales and and there is substantial consequences to selling to miners all that kind of stuff that that I suppose works. I miners still get access to alcohol all the time but uh that doesn't mean the regulation doesn't work.

[01:05:01]There's always been some type of crisis in our country.

[01:05:07]Well, there's money in it.

[01:05:10]I I think I think that can be a driving a driving force a lot of times, but I I think the same is true for most countries. There's some crisis going on all the time.

[01:05:26]Have you heard of seven hydroxyratom derivative 13 times stronger than morphine and you can buy it everywhere?

[01:05:35]Well, that sounds that sounds crazy.

[01:05:41]Black rain is just like we have to move past demonizing and stereotyping all adults who smoke weed as ptheads.

[01:05:49]I I don't think we do.

[01:05:53]I I don't think that's how it works at all.

[01:05:56]To me there there there is a particular kind of person who's a pthead in in my head and and we hear from them a lot because of the synthetic canabonoid or the uh cannabis induced psychosis series.

[01:06:21]We hear comments from a lot of people who are defending weed in a very passionate, hostile uh personally offended kind of way, but without without a lot of facts, without a lot of information, just passion.

[01:06:49]And one of the things they'll say is, "Well, it's natural."

[01:06:53]Or in their responses, they'll say things like, "Well, alcohol is worse."

[01:07:04]And that doesn't that doesn't make any sense to defend a substance by pointing at another substance. That's that that's worse or believes one or believes it's worse.

[01:07:25]I I know a lot of people uh I I maybe not a lot I I know plenty of people who use a lot of cannabis, but they don't lose their mind when someone is critical of cannabis.

[01:07:45]It is possible to recognize the potential dangers of cannabis and still support it being legal.

[01:08:14]Brad, back in the day, horse tranquilizers were called quaudes.

[01:08:22]I remember qua black rain. I smoked weed from 28 to 50 and I don't know what I'm supposed to get from that.

[01:08:43]Using a substance doesn't make anyone an expert on a substance.

[01:08:49]I I don't where else does that logic work? I I've been wearing a watch since I was about 13 years old, but I'm no expert on watches.

[01:09:02]I've been driving a car since I was 15 years old, but I'm no expert on engines or cars.

[01:09:11]Yes, Brad, is it quaudes were a downer?

[01:09:19]That was there there was a joke for a while. Hey, hey, hey, have a quay.

[01:09:24]You need to chill out and have you need to have a quay and chill out. Stuff like that. There were comments like that.

[01:09:33]Well, it's okay to be a user. I'm not I'm not being critical of users. I'm being critical of those outspoken, passionate uh what would you call it? outspoken, compassionate, light on fact users.

[01:09:54]We had a Canada's defenders.

[01:10:01]Uh we had a couple of voicemails through Facebook, through the messenger program on Facebook. Uh someone calling us a Nazi pedophile because we have content that is critical of of cannabis.

[01:10:31]So, we're Nazi pedophiles. We've had death threats from cannabis defenders, crazy ones.

[01:10:42]Not like like I'm gonna kill you and your family and then rape their dead bodies like that.

[01:10:57]Those are what I think of as ptheads.

[01:11:02]Being a cannabis user, being a long-term cannabis user, that doesn't make someone a pthead.

[01:11:13]being a longtime cannabis user and being an idiot mate.

[01:11:26]Oh, look at here. Wendy has joined us.

[01:11:29]Hey Glenn, this is so sad that three that three times there was an opportunity for help. We have got to change things and minds about addicts. I will help you. Thank you. That Thank you to that precious mama and to you. Well, thank you, Wendy. Uh we have been talking about coming back to Memphis and maybe doing something um doing something with with the we fight monsters people. Maybe something where we we do some stories that feature uh the homeless, feature the the uh domestic violence survivors, things like that or trafficking survivors.

[01:12:20]So, yeah, we're always we're always up for things.

[01:12:31]Brenda's asking, "Og coast. I was born in California. Are what?"

[01:12:42]Black Rangers. It's not just defensive posture that is that is out and out threatening someone.

[01:12:56]Well, yeah. Um, most of them aren't that severe, but uh uh some I can I can probably cue up and let you hear the voicemail message.

[01:13:13]Uh uh maybe I I'll have to I'll have to have a look.

[01:13:18]I'm pretty sure I can find it quickly.

[01:13:21]And uh Or maybe not, huh?

[01:13:40]No, I guess.

[01:13:47]Yeah. Part of the challenge is I I don't even know.

[01:13:52]I don't even know what I would have named the file because it was uh pedophile Nazi. That's it. It's uh I like that it was I'm sorry.

[01:14:27]Oh, here it is.

[01:14:31]Okay. Okay. I can I can let you guys hear a couple of them. What happens if I just do this?

[01:14:40]Wow, it worked.

[01:14:43]Okay, it's going to take it a minute to load, I think. But, uh, okay, it'll be it'll be loaded in a second. Hopefully, it won't just start playing. All right. Uh, let me see. Uh, what what have I missed here? You're right, Kimberly. Brenda, I'm going back to California. I grew up in California.

[01:15:06]I'm going to South Orange County. Brenda says, "Bring a funny.

[01:15:16]How can we think we are normal only to find out later that we're totally off our rocker?"

[01:15:24]I kind of feel like both could be true.

[01:15:26]You can be normal and totally off your rocker at the same time.

[01:15:31]Maybe being off your rocker a little bit is normal.

[01:15:44]Bina says, "My sister in Christ, who was waiting for a spot in recovery center for her son, got him in and then he ran away and got arrested.

[01:15:58]It's so sad. I wish I could do more."

[01:16:06]Yeah, there's a helplessness when when you have a loved one who's on a path that is clear to you.

[01:16:26]It's clear to you, but it's not clear to them yet.

[01:16:34]So there's this helplessness.

[01:16:46]Brenda, this is OG. Good luck with your physical move. Do you have support set up in California? Moving is stressful for those of us in recovery, which is why I plan on croaking right here in my home.

[01:17:05]There's got to be a better way to put that, Brenda.

[01:17:08]You know, don't plan in terms of where you're going to croak.

[01:17:17]Just word it different. I I want to stay here in my home, in my community, and watch the way things evolve and be a part of that for as long as I can, which is still saying the same thing, but with a positive perspective.

[01:17:43]OG says, "Uh, Brenda, nothing set up yet as far as sport. I'll find meetings.

[01:17:54]Uh, I kind of feel like that should be a priority.

[01:18:09]you know that that the finding the meetings thing ought to be uh priority.

[01:18:22]So uh okay I believe I believe I can play one of those croaking is relatable. Okay.

[01:18:43]What? What? What? Glenn, I just see so much of old me in him. And Wendy says there's total helplessness in that.

[01:18:52]Glenn, Wendy, what what that are you talking about?

[01:19:01]a total helplessness to Brenda saying I'm going to croak here.

[01:19:09]Brenda said, "Viola, don't be embarrassed by someone else's beliefs or behaviors. Just love them right where they are and thank God you're in a wacky doodle like them."

[01:19:24]Okay.

[01:19:27]OG fish croaking is relatable.

[01:19:31]And uh somebody said that knocking futs.

[01:19:43]Uh Viola Brendan, my brother 69 or one of these defenders.

[01:19:52]Uh I do love him to the moon and back.

[01:19:54]just don't want to lose him to something stupid.

[01:20:02]Brad uh Brad's gone all insightful.

[01:20:08]There's only one judge and it's none of us.

[01:20:17]Brenda, I like croaking. It is my word choice and I'm keeping it. It's better than kick the bucket, read my name in the paper or other such things. Well, why but but why talk about dying in in any context? You say I want to live right here as long as I can. You're saying the same thing, but you're not bringing up dying at all.

[01:20:43]That was that was my thing. I think croaking is fine as a description for dying.

[01:20:49]Totally.

[01:20:59]Bina says, "Poor Glenn. Hard to stay on topic of so many side conversations."

[01:21:06]Yeah, a little bit.

[01:21:14]So, but speaking of the side conversations, we can we can share one of these uh uh maybe uh share one of these calls.

[01:21:30]Oh, that's that's what I need to do. I do need that when you literally just asked me if I wanted to do an interview. Not >> stop. Sorry, sorry, sorry.

[01:21:41]>> Yes, >> I hit a button.

[01:21:49]Sorry. I'm not even hearing that. That That's not good at all to Okay, that that the levels were high for sure. I know that.

[01:21:59]So, we are going to set up meetings before you go. For sure.

[01:22:07]That That's a good idea. Brenda, I lost my son. Josh in 2016 to fentanel poisoning. I'm a Glen Muse storyteller.

[01:22:23]Brenda, I am so hope to be alive after years of wishing.

[01:22:29]I wake up each day thinking I'm not dreaming. I really am clean and it feels freaking amazing.

[01:22:35]I'm the luckiest girl alive, but I am not afraid of dying.

[01:22:44]I'm I'm not afraid of dying either.

[01:22:50]But there's a theory out there that you attract what you dwell on.

[01:22:57]So dwell on positive stuff.

[01:23:01]So, back to the the the uh uh one of our one of our commenters called him the Potad Army. Here, here's here's the comment. I don't remember how it goes really, but so we'll just listen to it together.

[01:23:18]>> You guys are stupid. Cannabis does not induce psychosis. You'd have to smoke your body weight, which isn't possible.

[01:23:27]Have fun with that.

[01:23:29]I hope everything flops and burns and it sucks. I hope you make no money, get no views, you suck.

[01:23:41]So there is the there is the kind of intellectual response that I I attribute to a pthead doesn't really have anything to do with anything other than the the absence of reason and his response. So now let let's listen to the other one.

[01:24:22]>> Princess when you literally just asked me if I wanted to do an interview not Nazis.

[01:24:28]>> Yes. Hello Nazis Republican pedophiles of Texas. Please tell me all about how you've done 500 interviews but I'm not suited for this when you ask me for an interview.

[01:24:38]Yes. Hi Texas Pictures. Please tell me how I'm not suited for an interview when you ask me if I want.

[01:24:47]So, wait a minute. Let me get this straight. Texas Pictures Nazi pedophiles asked me for an interview and then I said what my rules were and then it said that I'm not suited for.

[01:25:00]It's almost like you guys rely on live ragebait bull nonsense because you're a bunch of pedophile Nazis that like the rage bait bull nonsense. Hi, pedophile Nazis.

[01:25:11]It's almost like you guys in America are Republican pedophile Nazis and you built an entire world around humiliation, destruction, carvation, dead bodies.

[01:25:20]Dead, dead, dead. Kind of like the South. All the black baby sex farms you know that you southerns are so famous for. That wasn't New England, by the way.

[01:25:30]>> No, but please let's talk about how you guys are so holier than thou with your godmes and your Scientology and your pedophilia. Your Scientology ma pedophilia. That is literally all based on just bulldog men and then anal mucus ankle.

[01:25:49]So that last one, anal mucus. I don't know what that even is.

[01:25:57]That doesn't sound pleasant.

[01:26:02]Uh so yeah, the both of those both of those examples are a little bit extreme, but only a little bit.

[01:26:13]And mainly what makes them seem extreme is that we have audio recordings instead of just typed messages posted on stories.

[01:26:30]Here here's the thing about the interview.

[01:26:33]I asked her if she wanted to do an interview, invited her to, and she said yes.

[01:26:46]And then she said it can't be live.

[01:26:54]and she said she needed to see all of the questions in advance and there couldn't be any surprise questions and there couldn't be any questions from an audience.

[01:27:06]So, she laid out these very specific guidelines and and I I've I've interviewed quite a few people and we have never ever not once had guidelines to follow during an interview.

[01:27:31]So we said, "No, that's not we we don't work that way. The normal part of an interview process is to ask questions based on the answers to questions.

[01:27:45]Uh if you can't do that, then then it's not really an interview. It's just a a structured puff piece kind of thing.

[01:27:53]It's not it doesn't really have any value." So we told her, "Never mind."

[01:28:00]We we told her, "No, we can't do that."

[01:28:02]And then she said, "Well, I won't do it then." And so that was the end of it.

[01:28:16]R says, "It sounds like a typical Democrat." Yeah, you know, I can't I can't say that out loud.

[01:28:29]OG Fish says, "So, you know who she is?"

[01:28:31]Yeah, I know her her her Facebook ID. Yeah.

[01:28:37]Black Rang says, "Then it's basically scripted." Yeah. There's no there's no value to it. If it's not a conversation, if there's not enough genuine respect going back and forth both ways to have an honest conversation, then then it's not it's not worth it.

[01:29:04]Wendy says, "It was a different time, Brenda. I immediately started talking about fentanyl overdose. My son's dealer got no time for his death. convicted for the death of a young man that died before Josh Lazar says unsubscribe.

[01:29:25]I I don't know what that means. I mean, I know what unsubscribe means. I don't understand what you're saying. Are you telling Are you telling someone to unsubscribe?

[01:29:35]Are you telling the people in the room that you're unsubscribing? I I don't understand.

[01:29:43]What? What? What you mean by that?

[01:29:53]Kimberly says, "Laura, who are you?"

[01:29:59]No wonder there's a whole 40 people watching. Yeah, I don't know what that means either.

[01:30:08]Oh, did did I miss something else from Laura?

[01:30:12]I don't understand.

[01:30:18]No wonder there's a whole 40 people watching. Gosh, Laura, these are these are these are really special people.

[01:30:31]I don't I don't understand what you're responding to. So, if you'd like to influence people in the room, you need to explain it a with a little more depth than just say unsubscribe.

[01:30:53]So, if what is being smoked causes that, there is no argument about the danger of what they're smoking. Point proven.

[01:31:00]Yeah. Well, We don't know.

[01:31:09]Uh but that I I have no idea what she was on.

[01:31:20]She must be the one who left those me.

[01:31:22]Probably not.

[01:31:26]Probably not those those messages. We got uh uh a lot more than just the messages I played for you guys. We got quite a few more. But that that doesn't even the the only thing that that makes me think pthead is because of the stories that they were responding to.

[01:31:52]Not not anything in their behavior that indicates that they use cannabis or not.

[01:32:03]The the the label of pthead I think has a lot more to go to do with how a person thinks than what substance they use or not.

[01:32:15]I think you cannot use cannabis at all and still be a pthead.

[01:32:21]Uh so I I hope Laura I I hope that you'll share more.

[01:32:34]I don't understand what the offense is.

[01:32:37]I don't It is possible to acknowledge the potential dangers of cannabis while still supporting it being legal, much like we do with alcohol.

[01:33:18]Brenda says, "Wendy, I can't thank you enough for sticking with the fight, but for people such as yourself, many more of users would be dead. Forever grateful you turned your anguish into action."

[01:33:40]Black Rain says people can no longer civily disagree, but we can hear, right? Seems to me like we can.

[01:33:50]I mean, there's going to be some people maybe not so much, but for the most part, we can we can argue here and still be fine.

[01:34:06]I don't really know anything about stopping the fentanyl test strips. The downside of the fentinels test strips is that in order to use the ones I've used and in order to use the ones I've seen, there's a a process where you have to crush up the pill, dissolve it in water, swirl the test strip in the water, and then watch it to see if it indicates the presence of fentanyl.

[01:34:43]And if it doesn't indicate the presence of fentinel to consume your dose, you drink the water.

[01:34:54]And that isn't how users typically prefer.

[01:35:05]That isn't how users typically prefer to use their substance of choice, not drinking it dissolved in a glass of water.

[01:35:20]They snort it or shoot it or smoke it, but not drink it.

[01:35:31]So that's the downside to the test strips is that it it mandates destroying the pill and mandates limiting your method of consumption to drinking it dissolved in water.

[01:35:54]Uh, Brenda, I don't have a problem with the croaking word.

[01:36:03]I think it's a great word.

[01:36:06]I'm just saying don't focus on your death by any word. Dying, croaking, kicking the bucket.

[01:36:19]Don't focus on that. Focus on long life.

[01:36:22]focus on I'm going to live here as long as I can as opposed to saying I'm going to die here or I'm going to croak here.

[01:36:36]Brad says I don't think you can compare pot to fentinel.

[01:36:43]We're not are we?

[01:36:48]And I don't think you can compare pot to alcohol either.

[01:36:57]Holy cow.

[01:37:00]People do that a lot. Wendy says, "Let's focus on life." Exactly, Wendy. That's That's my point. Let's focus on life.

[01:37:10]You know, we have been here for quite a while, folks. We have been here almost a hundred minutes.

[01:37:21]had a profoundly distasteful moment or two.

[01:37:26]So, I'm guessing that Laura has left.

[01:37:31]I was really hoping to better understand what she was trying to say.

[01:37:42]She said, "Unsubscribe." And then she said, "No wonder What did she say?

[01:37:50]No wonder there's a whole 40 people watching.

[01:37:57]I don't know that I don't.

[01:38:00]And that was because is is there more from Laura? Was there more? I I'd really like to understand what her perspective was. Uh uh she have a problem with the voicemail messages that I shared with you guys. I don't know.

[01:38:22]Kind of weird.

[01:38:44]So, it is getting to be time to wrap things up. There's your cue, Brenda.

[01:39:09]Black Rain says it's been an interesting conversation. For sure.

[01:39:14]For sure. It's constructive. Everybody grows when we do this.

[01:39:18]I think we all grow.

[01:39:22]I know I grow.

[01:39:32]It's weird. It really bugs me to have blocked someone.

[01:39:43]Anyway, I spent so much time thinking about death and active addiction. I rarely think of it now unless I'm thanking God for letting me live a clean life.

[01:39:54]Good job, Brenda.

[01:39:57]That's awesome because think about life.

[01:40:06]Li, yes, we run in the complete gambit of maturity from infant to wise old man.

[01:40:15]Wendy says, "It's hard, but we got this." Thank you, Glenn. We lost Laura.

[01:40:20]I wish she would come back.

[01:40:22]more than 40 watching.

[01:40:26]Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. We fluctuate and uh however however many are here or is how however many are here. Another what what typically happens is after one of these a few hundred more people wind up watching part of it later when it's when it's recorded. They don't they don't watch the whole thing. I think it would be a stretch to ask someone to watch uh over a hundred minutes of me reading text messages and and rambling and and whatever. But sorry, I thought I thought saw something, you know, over there.

[01:41:21]Maryanne, thank you. Texas Pictures is so illuminating and brings people together emotionally and educationally.

[01:41:28]Glenn, thank you for all you do.

[01:41:30]Blessings, love, and peace to everyone.

[01:41:32]Thank you, Marian.

[01:41:37]Thank you, Violis. The absolute best. Thank you.

[01:41:42]Thank you, Viola. I Wendy says, "Thank you, Glenn, for all you do in this forum of discussion. True statement, Black Rain." And I know Brenda said uh somewhere she said um she said her thing um Biola Wendy thank you Kim Brad says bless you all. Brad is such gold. So, always glad when you're here.

[01:42:28]And Carla, too. Always glad when all you guys are here.

[01:42:42]And I I know I can't I can't quite find it.

[01:42:47]Thank you, Maryanne.

[01:42:49]Uh I know I saw it, but I can't find it now. where Brenda sent her her her traditional me. I'm I'm sure it's here somewhere. But anyway, so here's here's a few key things that are important for everyone to man to to keep in mind. This is one of them.

[01:43:17]Never use alone.

[01:43:19]No judgment, no shaming, no preaching, just love. Call if you're going to use when you're alone. An operator will ask for your first name, exact location, and the number you're calling from if you stop responding after using. They will notify EMS of your location and possible overdose. The number is 877-6961996 neverone.com.

[01:43:42]And that that is just such a a wonderful brilliant service.

[01:43:54]Isn't it such a simple concept?

[01:44:02]I I know you typed that before, Brenda.

[01:44:04]I know you did. I saw it already.

[01:44:07]But like Brenda says, what you take for granted, other people are praying for.

[01:44:14]Gratitude is such an important thing.

[01:44:21]Beyond gratitude like a rat on a cheetah. Is that what you're saying, Brad?

[01:44:30]Wendy says she's going to share never use alone on Joshua's homepage. Yeah. If if hope page, a good good term, hope page. So if you go to their website, you can get that very graphic that I just showed you guys, you can download it there and you can put it wherever you whatever you want, do whatever you want to do with it.

[01:44:59]So thank you all for being here. really this is it's an important opportunity. I can I one one more thing there is a there is a a thing uh we recently published as sort of a short rant about me going on about addiction and things about addiction that people are getting wrong.

[01:45:27]misconceptions, unfair, judgmental perspectives, and uh I'd like a little feedback. I'd like ideas for other other topics. We could do something similar with something that's simple, short, something that would have value to people.

[01:45:58]I don't know. So, could certainly use some some feedback, but for now, time to wrap it up. So, thank you all very much for joining us. And remember, you're welcome to reach out to us anytime. And we're always glad to do whatever we can to help you. You can reach out to us by email at info@ texas-pictures.com.

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[01:47:25]That's it for now folks. Good night.