Cómo es crecer en un Michoacán en guerra 📱

Added: 2026-05-26

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[00:04:44]Greetings. I had told them that I wouldn't be able to be there for several weeks because I was going to have a visitor. Some of my family members are here. Greetings to those who are connecting. Churcuto. Oh, I remembered the song you asked me for.

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[00:05:04]Rafael, greetings. Guillermo to Santiago Miauatlán, Puebla, eh Centeno, Carlos Camacho, María Felipe, eh Rafael again says, "In September of this year it will be 20 years since the first clandestine grave was discovered."

[00:05:28]Okay, that's interesting.

[00:05:30]When the first clandestine grave in the country was discovered, it happened in Michoacán, right in the middle of the failure of Vicente Fox's "Safe Mexico" program. Yes, indeed.

[00:05:43]Hello, Ana. Ana, we have a visitor.

[00:05:46]You'll recognize the visitor here in a moment. Hello to the other Ana J. Álvarez, greetings.

[00:05:53]César Ricardo, greetings. Okay, look, I'm going to tell you who's here. I had told them that I was going to have visitors, that some of my family members were going to be there.

[00:06:03]So, I have two of my nieces here. They are both practically the same age, they are very young, 23 years old.

[00:06:16]Both are from Michoacán. And look, the idea came to me to talk with you and with them because we were talking about how this generation grew up in the middle of a war that nobody asked for in a state where it all started precisely, as Rafael was just saying, in Michoacán in 2006. Do the math, these girls were born in 2003.

[00:06:48]So they don't remember, they don't even have an awareness of a state at peace, they don't know what it's like to be a country that wasn't at war at some point. And precisely for that reason, hello Cuquis Ortega, greetings. LMAX, I'm worried about the children. I saw some drawings about how children see their city, Culiacán, and they only drew soldiers and hitmen. It's very sad how children normalize that. Yes, yes. Well, let me introduce them to you. I'm not going to call you by name because you already know there's a lot of [ __ ] garbage on social media. Well, I'm not going to expose my family, of course not, but they are my family, they are from Michoacán and we're going to call them niece one and niece two. So, they are currently deciding who is niece one and who is niece two. So, niece number one, let's go for the youngest one.

[00:07:45]She is the first niece. Hello, niece one. [laughs] Hello.

[00:07:50]Well, she is, as I was saying, 23 years old. Uh, she's a university student, she just finished her degree and she came here on vacation.

[00:08:03]Well, we'll talk about it, we're going to ask you several questions, you'll see how interesting it is. And there's also the second niece. Hello, niece number two.

[00:08:10]Hello.

[00:08:11]The second niece is more serious. Well, she 's 23 too, they're laughing.

[00:08:17][laughs] Uh, he's 23 years old and he's also from Michoacán and he also just finished his bachelor's degree.

[00:08:24]What we were talking about two nights ago really caught my attention, didn't it? More or less, how do young women live in Michoacán when it is practically impossible to have security anywhere in the state?

[00:08:48]And I was surprised by many of the things they told me because, well, I think that those of us who are older than them, those of us who still remember Mexico for sure, did n't have a strict schedule to, for example, be able to return home. Can you imagine Michoacán being so violent with two young women going out at night, huh, with so many things happening now? It must be truly terrible. It makes me very sad that not only girls from Michoacán like you have to live through this, but all over the country.

[00:09:37]Across the country. Oh, and let's remember, the war started there, in the state of Michoacán. So, I would start by asking them because we have talked about contrast, imagine, to get to the point, the contrast of what they find here. One of them had already visited Europe once, the other had not.

[00:10:03]And the second niece, who hadn't visited Europe, I think she's the one who got the biggest impression, because it turns out that, for example, here she was able to get to the... until the other day.

[00:10:17]Until the next day, at 11 in the morning.

[00:10:19]Yes.

[00:10:21]And I would ask you, niece number two, were you afraid to come back here at 11 a.m. the other day? They left early, uh, at 5 in the afternoon they spent it in, I don't know, a nightclub and then they returned at 11 in the morning. What did you feel? As?

[00:10:40]Tell us, what did you feel? What does it feel like to experience that for the first time?

[00:10:45]Yes, it's the well-known culture shock that I mentioned the day we were talking.

[00:10:55]Uh, my only fear was missing my transport back home, I mean, whatever time I was going to return, but I wasn't afraid to walk in the streets. I was n't afraid to wear whatever I wanted to wear when I went out.

[00:11:16]So, you mean dressing like you would dress, right? No, because it is a very strong impression that if something happens here, I know it won't be because of the place I was walking in, or the clothes I was wearing, or anything like that. That didn't cross my mind; I was just having a good time, and that's why you enjoy things more without stress. In other words, my only concern was to get back, to catch my ride and nothing else. Don't fall asleep on the subway.

[00:11:49]Not to fall asleep on the subway.

[00:11:51]Yes. What did you feel, niece? One.

[00:11:54]Well, I mean, I had come before, but I was younger when I came.

[00:12:01]So now that I'm older, I'd never experienced being away from home for a whole night.

[00:12:06]No, no, it can't be done. No, you can't even imagine. Excuse me, look at what he just said, huh? In other words, they had never been away from home. They are 23 years old. They had never been away from home for an entire night.

[00:12:28]Just so you can imagine the contrast, right?, between public safety in the country and them coming from a state as violent as Michoacán. But yes, go on, go on. Niece two. Ah, no, one.

[00:12:41]But it's true that, for example, the first time we go out, you know, you kind of have that feeling of being careful because it's something that's already on your mind. So, it's like you turn around to see if anyone is coming or if no one is coming because you've already got it so ingrained in you. If someone is coming up behind you, you stop to let them pass. But that feeling has kind of faded because I know nothing's going to happen, but I know I'm going to come back.

[00:13:04]Yes. And how do you go back to the same thing?

[00:13:09]And that's it, in Michoacán, for example, when you're in those places you have to go to Morelia, to the University, you're not from Morelia, but you live there during the school year. So, going out in Morelia the way they have gone out here, well, practically every weekend or during the week, they can do it.

[00:13:35]No, not like that.

[00:13:36]How do they do it? What's it like going out in Michoacán? It's much more planned.

[00:13:41]We need to have a plan A, a plan B, and a plan C for both the outbound and return journeys. In other words, for us here we have had the freedom to separate day and night and each walk our own path and meet again without worrying about 'she did n't answer me anymore, where could she be?' What's it like, for example, when you go out there and you're going to a party, I don't know, on the weekend or to the disco, I mean, how do you plan it? With your family, with your friends, how is it simply with, I mean, the rules that exist in the house, and I suppose that happens to, if not all, then most. Uh, the idea, I mean, is to go back. I'm speaking from my perspective; for me, returning from Michoacán means going back at the latest, 2 in the morning, really late. Well, not here, they're just leaving at two o'clock to go to the party and I do n't know, it's crazy, I mean, it's really crazy, but we call this taking care of ourselves the Latin instinct, I mean, it hasn't completely gone away, it 's not that part of turning the music down all the way, because it's rarely mentioned that we walk around with our headphones on at night.

[00:15:13]On deserted streets.

[00:15:15]Not there.

[00:15:15]Not there. Impossible.

[00:15:17]And we were there at the beginning when we arrived, it was about being there, right? This way, right? But not here. Then we were implanted with the European chip [laughs] that nobody notices, that is, nobody turns around to look. Oh, look, there go some young girls on their own. We need to get closer. No, that's not our biggest concern.

[00:15:39]Yes, no, my biggest concern is that I can, right? Having my cell phone stolen on the subway.

[00:15:44]Yes, but that's normal. Uh-huh. I mean, that can happen.

[00:15:48]But for example, when going out at night, the plan is first and foremost to send your location to the whole family, and even if not to the family, for example, we as out-of-towners who have to go to Morelia, to friends, I mean, it's very common for all your close friends to have your location in real time on, I mean, 24/7, because you don't know if simply taking public transport, for example, an Uber, for example, an Uber, will help you.

[00:16:22]Yes. I mean, being a woman, one thing can happen to you. We've taken Ubers here at 10 in the morning, nothing happens, everything is quiet. If you don't want to talk, don't talk. This one takes you to your destination. Thank you so much. No, none of that is happening. It is very regulated. As a woman, if you get into an Uber, whether it's during the day or at night, and the driver starts talking to you, what do you feel? It's because you do n't know what you have to do. In other words, you don't know whether you should answer him or not, because if you do n't answer him you don't know if he's going to get angry, and if you answer him you don't know if he's going to think you're being very kind, in quotes.

[00:16:56]Yes, but we have the chip implanted simply that if you go alone in an Uber, you sit behind the driver on your phone and make sure he doesn't lock the doors.

[00:17:06]And wearing a seatbelt here is mandatory, but not there, because you can't wear it.

[00:17:11]Not there. Yes, for your own safety, pay attention, pay attention to what he's saying. For their own safety, they don't wear seatbelts in case anything happens during the journey.

[00:17:25]Yes, that's true. I put on my seatbelt.

[00:17:28]Greetings to those who are joining.

[00:17:30]She says, "Returning [clears throat] at 2 a.m. in Morelia isn't so bad.

[00:17:35]There are areas in Mexico where things get rough starting at 9 p.m. Yes, obviously we're talking about the state capital, but in Michoacán there are areas where I think after 7 p.m., nobody goes out anymore. I mean, if we go to Tierra Caliente, to these places where the cartels control, who's going to go out at that hour?

[00:17:57]And for example, now that you're mentioning going out in Morelia, there was a time when we students, uh, had all the clubs in Morelia burned down.

[00:18:08]We were left without any clubs in Morelia for a while because of extortion. Um, when was that? It wasn't like in 2023.

[00:18:18]Uh-huh. They burned down all the clubs in one night.

[00:18:22]Um, yes, that was really bad.

[00:18:24]And thanks to my parents' overprotectiveness, I was at one of the clubs that day, but I I went at 1 a.m., they burned them down around 5 a.m.

[00:18:35]All of them, all of them, all of them at the same time.

[00:18:37]I'm remembering. Yes, I think we reported on that here.

[00:18:42]Several bars burned down in one night, a Friday night or something like that. Yes, exactly like that. Yes, yes, yes.

[00:18:50]Terrible, terrible. It says 18, there are 11 of us regulars, 18 to his name. He says, "I remember that his uncle Ari uploaded a video of the burned-down places in Morelia."

[00:19:03]That's right, Rafael. Exactly. Yes. Look, sometimes it's hard for me to remember so many violent events that happen in Mexico. Sometimes I know I've mentioned things, but there are so many. You do n't remember anymore. I remember, I really get them mixed up. And you're the ones who suddenly tell me, "But you talked about this." The truth is, I don't remember because there are so many similar things.

[00:19:26]For example, right now I'm thinking about how they've also burned down nightclubs in the The state of Hidalgo, or the shootouts in Hidalgo, or what's also happened in Guanajuato—they've set fires, planted car bombs—I mean, the country is truly a mess, a real mess. But look how sad it is that young women have to restrict themselves and follow so many rules just to go out and have fun.

[00:19:57]How sad, right? And with how dangerous it is, what would happen? Actually, I was going to ask you a question earlier, since you were talking about Uber. Would you take a taxi in Morelia at night?

[00:20:10]No, no.

[00:20:10]Why?

[00:20:12]Because at the very least, Uber stays on your route, and it scares me—it's not that I'm more afraid of a taxi.

[00:20:19]Besides, there's this problem with the infamous unlicensed taxis. I mean, I understand the need for work in the country, but who regulates it? And there are cases, many cases, of unlicensed taxi drivers, Uber drivers too, but especially these unlicensed taxi drivers who... The same thing, I mean, they're also in cahoots with organized crime, so they're always watching the young women, seeing where they're going. If it's a long route, it's easier to take a detour. I mean, we really prefer to walk very long distances, to go around as much as we can on foot.

[00:21:09]Morelia, plain and simple, I mean, we're only talking about Morelia here, just to avoid getting into a taxi. No, never a taxi, no way. And walking too, I mean, it's something to think about, but I see it as less dangerous than getting into a taxi.

[00:21:25]Yes, no, look, they see walking as less dangerous than getting into a taxi.

[00:21:34]It's because of the situation. There are simply unwritten rules: if you're going to walk at night on any street, you go in the middle of the street.

[00:21:45]Oh, yes.

[00:21:46]No, not on the sidewalks. No, and I mean, you run the risk of someone running you over, but preferably [laughs] that something else happens to you. Yes, you also have to choose. Okay, you're going to take the streets.

[00:22:00]Yes.

[00:22:00]So, you're carrying all those worries.

[00:22:02]And on which streets can you walk faster? Yes, there are streets where... Ah, yes, right now I'm walking calmly because there's light here, but in the next three blocks there is n't, so I have to run.

[00:22:13][clears throat] It's crazy. She says, "Did you hear what happened in a municipality in Morelos?"

[00:22:18]They robbed a nightclub on opening day and killed about 10 young people about 15 days ago." Yeah, it's become part of everyday life, hasn't it? I mean, these kinds of events are normalized. One happens, then another, and the previous one is already forgotten. Yes, there was also a brutal massacre 3 days ago in the state of Puebla. They killed 10 people, including two minors. I mean, it's really crazy.

[00:22:52]Another thing we were talking about with them is how, at their age, they've already experienced violent events, being in the city and having violent things happen, violent incidents in Morelia, because Morelia isn't peaceful. Have you ever felt safe in Morelia?

[00:23:22]It might be because we 're used to experiencing these violent events; it's like, "Oh, there was a shooting in such-and-such neighborhood, well, we're not going there today," or for example, it's not that They've already blocked all the exits and they're burning cars, right? Well, we canceled classes for today, see you tomorrow, but it's all very calm, and no, it's not good, I mean, it's normalized. It's different that we perceive it as something certain than that we're used to living with it, just because it's a little far from where you live, because this neighborhood over here is rough, over there where I'm going. Uh-huh.

[00:24:03]But because it's far away.

[00:24:04]But what do the people who live in those neighborhoods do?

[00:24:08]Well, yes, the people who live in those neighborhoods. And another thing they were telling me that worried me a lot is how exposed they are to the fact that at a meeting, or among friends, or among people, suddenly, even young people themselves might be armed and carrying weapons. When they told me this, I was like, just think about it.

[00:24:37]Look, carrying a gun in Mexico 20 years ago was practically impossible. It was like something that someone would just walk into a... 1000, I don't know, or more, but now it's so common to find guns. If you see guns in the streets with your friends, with your acquaintances, with people, there aren't guns everywhere.

[00:25:03]Or at least someone you know who knows someone else has a gun.

[00:25:06]Yes, but we've been around them, not by choice, but we've been close.

[00:25:14]Yes.

[00:25:15]But what are those moments like? I mean, suddenly there are gatherings of young people and someone pulls out a gun.

[00:25:24]Or you know they're armed, or they show it off, or they have it in their car.

[00:25:31]Well, yes, yes, all of the above. All of the above.

[00:25:35]Yes, but sometimes you know, I mean, you just know, you just know, and it's like, well, you hope they're not going to pull it out, I mean, I don't know, for example, being at a gathering where, okay, we're hanging out, we're having a young person's time, well, at least, at least, there's always someone who gets upset, so it's not just a bad move and that's it, but if someone copied me and it's a friend So, he was invited by his friend's cousin, and so on. You do n't know this guy, and he suddenly got sick, and out of nowhere, he could pull out a gun. I mean, it's not even like, "I was just walking along and someone pulled a gun on me," right? I mean, I'm here right now, and if I start to see—and it's very common—if I start to see that things are getting bad, I'd better leave because I don't know what might happen.

[00:26:33]Yeah, besides, you don't know, it's the real one, you do n't know who, I mean, who the person is.

[00:26:37]Yeah. No, they could lock you up, and we're not leaving here because I have this, and I want everyone to stay, and well, what are you doing there?

[00:26:50]That's crazy. Hi, Maye. Oh, Maye, you're always so late. Maye, my first niece and my second niece are here. We're talking. Finally, you're going to hear the voice of the first niece, the one who had already come, Magi. The second niece hadn't come. Uh, we're here talking, and they're telling us The things they experience as young women in a city and state as violent as Michoacán. I was reading what someone here said—who was it? Mike—who said, "Like living in Culiacán, brother." Before, with the Paxnarca, we lived blinded, coexisting with the filthy narco-culture, with this war that is a hell like nothing we had ever experienced. Now I hope all this will be over. Look, they were chatting, Maye sends kisses, she says, to both of them. " Thank you from Monterrey," he says. Thank you Rosario, greetings. We were also talking about this issue of narco-culture. Okay, let's get to the point, because [clears throat] they hear everything I've said here and you know I detest it and we've been trying for a long time to raise awareness that it's wrong, it's wrong, because behind all this there are crimes that remain hidden because the guy is famous, famous people get brought to the morning press conference like that idiot Shanbound did just recently. And they listen to this music and normalize it, and from my point of view that's very wrong, it's crazy. Because?

[00:28:29]So, how is it that it's part of the culture? Let's put it in quotes, these kinds of things that talk about such brutal things as violence and crime, and that glorify criminals. As? As? I don't understand. Explain to me why you listen to that.

[00:28:52]Because that's what you see too. Also because of what I mentioned before, I feel that since it's normalized in our heads, it's like, well, we understand, I mean, not that we justify it, but we understand that most artists have to be under certain commands and obeying certain orders in order to sing, well, what they sing. Yes, what they sing and that's the price, well, the lyrics that everyone listens to, right? But yes, I mean, I feel that it's not normal, but it's common in Mexico, well, everyone, all young people, there are certain exceptions, yes, but then we could say that the vast majority of young people of his age listen to that.

[00:29:51]Oh, of course.

[00:29:52]Well, I don't listen to the music that's played on the streets in Mexico, but what I have seen is that the number of singers in all these genres has grown dramatically, and there are millions of singers coming out with that stuff, and I understand, I mean, it's what's being listened to and it's what gets repeated and repeated and repeated until it becomes normalized, right? Examples, what examples of what? Featherweight, example, featherweight.

[00:30:19]This year marks 10 years since the chaos of attacks by narcocorridos at concerts and the Maloba in Sinaloa became normalized by making crude prohibitions of them. I remember, Rafael, he says, "How is it possible that they make a song praising a guy who left hundreds of drug traffickers in mass graves and recruitment camps like the ones Cesi Flores found in Jalisco just 3 days ago? We're the world capital of narco-culture. Hello, greetings to everyone.

[00:30:51]Yes, it's sad, isn't it? But the government doesn't help with this either. I mean, what the government does by bringing, for example, this character to the morning press conference, ah, it's awful, it sends the opposite message of what they're supposedly saying shouldn't happen, and they bring him on and it's really bad. Rosario says, I think it's because it's what makes money. Well, yes, it could be.

[00:31:21]And in the end, all roads lead to that, I mean, they go to the government because the government was the one that prohibited the prohibition of these corridos in public and they used to fine you for listening to them on the bus, I don't know. But ultimately, the government is also in cahoots with everyone." These organizations. Well, yes. So, money that ultimately finances important political parties, everything we know, uh, [snort] I mean, all roads lead to the same point. Uh, there shouldn't be a ban on the music, nor should there be a change in the lyrics these artists write if the government were in charge of ensuring that drug traffickers didn't interfere in important positions of power.

[00:32:26]Well, yes, I mean, the queen of the rainbow, and we all know it. Look, well, a side note. My niece, Maye, says that Rosalía is the best. I have nothing to say about that.

[00:32:39][laughs] I mean, she's good. Yes, she's not my favorite, but I already told you that, Maye. She already told you, but I like them. She says Rosalía's songs.

[00:32:51]Of course.

[00:32:52]It says a lot about the culture of the society that they listen to this type of music. She says, "Like always, bread and circuses, they don't know what else to do." She says, "For our people here in Sinaloa..." poisoned it with narcoculture. It's so sad that we had to go through this war to be able to end this awful culture. You hardly hear narco-music anymore. I liked that. That interests me, Mike.

[00:33:14]Look, you just heard a noise. This girl, uh, the second niece, dropped her vape pen. She vapes and this is another problem, not because of what she wants to do with vaping, not with her lungs, right? But yes, because of the vaping ban, because now it turns out to be true. Now it turns out it's illegal to buy it in Mexico, so you have to buy it from people who sell you something illegal.

[00:33:47]Yes, it's crazy. The government handed over a business to organized crime because the drug traffickers are the ones who distribute it in Michoacán. Obviously, it 's nonsense.

[00:34:00]And that care because... And also, why was it banned? Well, that's why all this came about, and correct me if I'm wrong, it was because of that damn video Chocoflan recorded, where he was filming himself vaping in Peje's office. From there he started with that, and from there he started with his excuses.

[00:34:23]What was the justification?

[00:34:24]Because it was very harmful to health. They don't prohibit smoking.

[00:34:27]Exact. That was the point. Why don't they ban cigarettes? That's something we 've discussed here many times. I mean, I never agreed with the vaping ban, never.

[00:34:38]So, people can do whatever they want with their lungs, right? But above all, what I saw as serious was that they were putting yet another business in the hands of criminals, and they did. And now you have to buy your vape from criminals who distribute it, and that's very wrong. What were they saying?

[00:35:01]Dealers. Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life. Wow, you guys are the problem by consuming that nonsense. Super 5541 says, well, the substances no longer generate income, they have to have another source of income. The problem is that they are taking over a lot of sectors of the economy. This is what they do illegally, they give them another business, but they are also appropriating what is legal. Or don't they charge chicken shops, tortilla shops, stores, everything a "right of way" fee? Do you really know about extortion in Michoacán?

[00:35:38]Oh, of course. It's very common. That's why many businesses are closing too.

[00:35:41]Yes. I mean, as a young person, when you're thinking about starting a business, you have to keep in mind that they're going to charge you.

[00:35:51]Yes, yes.

[00:35:52]Hey, well no, we women are talking now, and if the guy who's going to charge you for the apartment likes you, how scary, scary because you already have another problem.

[00:36:03]Because you can't say no to them. In other words, you can't say no to those kinds of people. I had never thought about that.

[00:36:08]That's true. Mm.

[00:36:10]But it is true, many businesses, I mean, I have known the case of several businesses that go there, they charge them for a small amount, in quotes, they pay it and then they start to raise it more and more and more and more and then there comes a point where they can't pay it, so what do they do? Well, they are threatened, obviously, so they have to leave and that happens many times.

[00:36:38]You told me about a case, didn't you? From some friends of yours who owned a hair salon, right?

[00:36:47]And well, they weren't my friends, well, acquaintances, they took them away, right?

[00:36:56]To one of them, something like that. Uh-huh.

[00:37:00]It's very common for you to hear about cases like this of people disappearing or... Yes, yes. It's very close, like it always happens, I suppose that happens a lot in Mexico, everyone knows someone who, I mean, has disappeared or you know a person whose family member has disappeared.

[00:37:22]Look, I just said something that people who come here frequently know I've repeated many times. The circle is getting smaller and smaller, and it's happening closer and closer to you. There is no longer, and I have told you this many times, there is no one in Mexico who does not know at least one person or who has not already been a victim in their close family circle of one of these crimes. It no longer exists. In other words, we all know people who have this problem.

[00:37:59]or of family members who have all gone through that. Doesn't that scare you? Yes, it scares you, but it's the same thing. I mean, that's kind of it. We cannot live in fear, in fear every day of our lives, because if we do, our lives will come to a standstill. I mean, yes, we are concerned, but we just have to move forward. Just keep moving forward. [laughs] Well, yes, yes. So, what else do you do? It's like resignation, you know? There comes a point where you resign yourself to the fact that this is happening, but you live in constant stress because something new keeps coming up. And yes, I read a comment somewhere that says it's our fault for consuming these things. Yes, I mean, valid, but it didn't start that way. In other words, the intention is not to talk about vaping, but rather to say, " Yes, right now, about vaping." I do n't think my intention is to consume from the drug trade; it was simply something that was directed towards that sector due to poor organization, a strategy that got out of hand, an idea that they didn't think through. He took it that way. But even though I do n't consider myself addicted to nicotine or any of the other substances it contains, I am aware of what I consume.

[00:39:28]I choose to consume it.

[00:39:30]Because? Uh, that would make me me talking about myself, why would I become, like, yes, part of the problem, like, when it didn't really start that way.

[00:39:49]Clear. Yes, I agree with you. They ask them here because this topic is also interesting.

[00:39:58]Ana, are you part of any feminist collective or do you support the marches on the 8th?

[00:40:04]Oh, of course.

[00:40:05]No, we are part of a feminist collective. We chose to go our own way, but we did attend the 8M marches. However, we stopped attending. It 's already very politicized this year because the march, at least in Morelia, is already very politicized. He's completely involved. TRUE?

[00:40:24]Political party.

[00:40:26]Which party?

[00:40:27]Brunette. Morena, yes, is very, very involved, and that's why the marches lost their meaning. That's exactly what it started for, which is to support the families of the victims, to support the victims themselves, because in the end every woman has a story to tell, and that's why we're attending the marches, some stronger than others, but in the end, that's what it was all about, and now it's a movement, right? a movement. The 8M march in Morelia is fully politicized, and yet, even though the party is involved in something as important as feminism, they do nothing about it.

[00:41:12]In other words, abandoned investigation files, unsolved cases, and more and more women disappearing every day in the capital.

[00:41:22]Chucruto asks here, are there infiltrators in the marches?

[00:41:26]Yes. Yes, 100%. Well, almost always when there are ugly riots it's because they are caused, we have seen how they start, it's not that we do them, she concludes. There is a perimeter simply marked by the Morelia police. We have to enter through other streets because the center of Pero is already completely packed. As if we were n't going to help us, they're not going to [clears throat] appear. No, no, no. Of course not. They're going to make sure nothing happens to the buildings. No, yes. No no. Yes, but part of it with your guests, because they are no longer guests, they are guests.

[00:42:03]Then, Cquis Ortega says, asks, "Ask the two nieces, they've already been given the names.

[00:42:11]Given the situation in Michoacán, do they think Morena will win again in the next elections?"

[00:42:19]Oh, look, if you could see, you can't see the faces they made, but it was legendary, wasn't it? We just don't get along.

[00:42:29]I don't think that all of Michoacán, well, I ca n't speak for everyone.

[00:42:37]I want to believe that not all of Michoacán sympathizes with Morena, at least we do n't, but it's uncommon.

[00:42:47]find supporters. That's what throws us off, in our words, it really throws us off how there can be a party so, as they say, so strong when we really don't sympathize with them.

[00:43:06]So, no, we don't know.

[00:43:07]If you go out and do a survey, for example, among your schoolmates, right?

[00:43:12]No. Would Morena lose an election if it were them?

[00:43:15]Yes.

[00:43:15]Yes.

[00:43:16]Yes, but I mean, when the elections were held I understood why people were voting for Morena.

[00:43:21]Because? Well, because of all the social assistance they provide.

[00:43:25]Many people are guided by that. That's why they vote for Morena.

[00:43:30]Hello, Elizabeth Belán. Hey, look, let me make it clear that I didn't say anything to him, uh, [clears throat] I mean, do you think Morena wins the elections or won them in Michoacán because of the money they give to people, because of social aid? I understand other people's reality, I mean, I know why they do it and I know why that means a lot to them and I know why they stay there, I mean, that's why they vote for Morena, but not really because they sympathize with the party's ideology, it's not because it's what we've talked about, I mean, if you're going to vote, well, you have to choose between what's available, why are you going to vote? Yes.

[00:44:09]So if Morena is giving you something that others aren't and promises to keep giving you the same, well, that's complacency. In other words, it's what we were saying a while ago, besides conformity, it's " What word did I use?" This, resignation.

[00:44:26]Resignation.

[00:44:27]Yes, you resign yourself to voting between what's available rather than choosing from what's there.

[00:44:31]The least bad.

[00:44:31]The least bad. Yes.

[00:44:34]It says here, "I have faith that little by little the people are opening their eyes and realizing that narco-renama is the same nefarious mafia as the PRIAN. I believe that the future of Mexico will no longer depend on the parties. I hope so." He says, "They mustn't stop talking about Grecia Quiroz García. She could represent real change." Well, it seems to me that the movement in Greece, well, in this case of Carlos Manso, if it manages to associate itself with a party, goodbye.

[00:45:08]I still believe that today, and this is not just my perception, it's the polls. If the election were held today in Morelia, sorry, in Michoacán, Grecia would win, right? In other words, they created a monster and didn't realize it. Would she win? But do you think any party will ever join forces?

[00:45:25]I hope not, but they're already looking for them. Maye asks them more, says Rosario, "I receive the money and I vote for someone else." You're right, Rosario.

[00:45:36]Yes, yes.

[00:45:37]Maye says, "You go to the polls to vote." Yesterday we were talking about yesterday, today, not yesterday, yesterday we were talking about that, Maye. I was just telling both my first and second niece that if the elections were held today, who would they vote for?

[00:45:57]What would you answer or what would you do, niece two?

[00:46:03]No, don't say which party if you don't want to, but would you vote?

[00:46:06]No, [laughs] no. In other words, I would invalidate my vote.

[00:46:12]Because?

[00:46:13]Because there is no one who truly represents social change. In the end, I think it's society that has to decide what will sound best, how would you say? It's a cliché, but we would have to join forces, that is, really wake up and realize the power we can truly wield by uniting for a common cause, which is social security.

[00:46:49]Security.

[00:46:50]As? When we don't register our phone line.

[00:46:53]Ah, for example, like not registering [laughs] our phone line, it's as easy as that.

[00:46:57]Look how interesting, huh, it's resistance to procrastination. Clear.

[00:47:02]And if it were the elections, niece one, would you vote? No no.

[00:47:06]Why wouldn't you vote?

[00:47:07]Because, I mean, there's no one to vote for, but it also makes me think, it makes me sad. I'm disappointed.

[00:47:16]Yes, because I say, well, if I have the freedom to choose and I have the capacity to think, reason and decide, but I can't decide because there is nothing to think about. But that makes me very sad because, where does that leave my right to choose, to say Yes, to decide?

[00:47:36]Juan Flores says, "We need to look at what some autonomous communities are doing."

[00:47:41]Ah, it's the thing about.

[00:47:42]And in Michoacán we have examples of them, and they are examples that transcend borders; they are known outside of Mexico and are better known outside of Mexico than in Mexico. Cherán, Arante Pacua, Santa María Stula.

[00:48:00]Maye says, tell them that the Zapatista women are an example of revolutionaries. " If I believe they're not in the party, then the problem isn't in the party," says Cuquis. The problem is that we don't demand, for example, the cancellation of the Majahual project. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Today I read a really cool tweet that said that specifically about Majahual, more people voted against the project than the number of people who had registered their cell phone number. And it's true. And hopefully, they are two good examples of unity. In other words, the people are telling Claudia, by not registering her line, "I don't want to." In other words, you can't force something on us that we don't want.

[00:48:52]And they also told SEMARNAT, with this impressive number of signatures, more than almost 5 million electronic signatures, we do not want the project. And it's good that they say they're going to reverse it, but we have to stay alert. Jazmín says, the United States is targeting Mexico with its CIA agents, the traitor of the pyramid. Your daddy Trump looks for any excuse to invade Mexico.

[00:49:21]We need the Jalisco cartel to help Mexico.

[00:49:24]What is he talking about? There are some pretty brainy people in this world.

[00:49:28][laughter] Yasmín Bustamantes, the clear example of this. Look, this is so you can see how these people, the indoctrinated ones, that's what I call them, because these are true-blue Morena supporters, these people, besides being single-minded, think that since they are sheep, all the rest of us need to be sheep and we need a shepherd. What he's saying is nonsense.

[00:49:54]We have grown tired of telling people in this space that Donald Trump is trash, that he is the worst thing that exists in international politics, that he is a damned demon. And this Pasguata comes along and tells me that Trump is my daddy. It's really like having excrement on your head. "But oh well," Maye says, laughing.

[00:50:17]I signed because I didn't want the project. Yes, it was a great show of unity. She says that Yasmín's brain dried up from listening to so many morning press conferences. Well yes. [laughs] Listen, I wanted to ask you some other questions going back to the topic that Ana asked about, uh, is it very common for there to be violence against young women like yourselves.

[00:50:46]Yes. Yes.

[00:50:46]From the men's side, obviously.

[00:50:48]Yes.

[00:50:49]How common is it? Okay, tell me about that.

[00:50:51]100% of the time, any woman you know, whether she's your friend or not, you know she's been through something, I mean, there's no way she hasn't. And it is, I mean, I wish I were wrong, it exists in different degrees, but it does exist. Yes. And not even for one, I mean, yes, it can be for a partner, but it can be for friends, it can be for, I mean, forever, there are always strangers.

[00:51:16]Yes. You're walking down the street and people disrespect you.

[00:51:20]Yes, all the time.

[00:51:22]Yes, yes. It's very, very... What do you feel when you're told, or it makes you angry, that you can't, that you don't know who you're going to run into?

[00:51:34]So, if you defend yourself it can go wrong, but if you don't defend yourself it can also go wrong.

[00:51:44]So, and it's for very simple reasons.

[00:51:48]You're walking, I mean, you're just walking. Pajamas.

[00:51:51]Yes, but I know it's wrong to answer because you don't know who it is.

[00:51:55]Yes, but what am I supposed to do about impotence?

[00:52:01]But what do they get more from it? Impotence or fear?

[00:52:04]Impotence. I'm not scared. That's it.

[00:52:07]We've had to overcome our fear.

[00:52:09]Yes, that's right. Fear is not the word, we feel powerless.

[00:52:12]But you know what else happens? I've noticed that, I mean, I know it's wrong to answer back, but when you do answer them, they kind of get freaked out because they don't usually get a response very often. Yes, I mean, it's also very normalized, not on our part in the sense of saying, oh, it's okay, nothing's wrong, but rather, just keep going, keep going, what you're going to do, what you're going to do, what you're going to do, but the moment they catch you in a bad mood, well, let's see, but what did you feel the first time they said something like that to you in the street? Or, 'It was disgusting,' you do n't forget it.

[00:52:49]No, I was very little.

[00:52:51]You were very little. How old were you? I think I was in high school.

[00:52:55]No, I was, I mean, as far as I remember, what kind of sickness must it be for a guy to say something disgusting to a high school girl.

[00:53:08]I was in elementary school, about 89 years ago, I stopped wearing shorts. So, shorts and skirts.

[00:53:15]Because they told you something.

[00:53:16]Yes, because in a Three Kings Day parade, right in Morelia.

[00:53:21]Mm. And I was little and someone, I was wearing shorts, my dad was carrying me and I think I was even smaller and a man passed by and said things to me and, like, he passed very close trying to touch me. Obviously my parents noticed that and from then on I kind of lost the desire to wear shorts, skirts, dresses.

[00:53:52]But you were a child.

[00:53:53]Yes, me, when was it? Yes, I was little, but I don't remember answering anything, I mean, I don't remember, but now when I saw them they said something to me, obviously I answered them and then I realized and I said, I'm going to go back alone down [laughs] that street and they were there.

[00:54:12]But you answer them, he says, "Ah, yes, yes, we are tired of living defensively, it shouldn't be like this, should it?" Yes, yes, I answer them. And then I say, "Well, I took a bit of a risk, I'll have to run."

[00:54:29][laughs] Well, I've already said what I felt, but I'm leaving. Yes, that's true, but it's because I'm not a child anymore, but I used to be a child and it's like, no. And all your friends from school have all been through it. In other words, you don't know anyone who says, "I've never been attacked."

[00:54:50]Inside the school we would walk together to wherever we were, we would all go together.

[00:54:57]Yes. And it's always very common among our colleagues too. That's also a culture shock we had here, that here the boys can accompany you or not, I mean, it's appreciated, but they don't have it in their culture. Yes, in their culture. But because it's not very common, I mean, it happens, sure, but it's not very common, like nobody here pays much attention to it, I mean, it's normal here to use whatever you want.

[00:55:29]It is normal to walk for 10 hours.

[00:55:31]only accompanied. So they don't have that culture of extreme chivalry, like in Mexico, where he takes you home, and that's true because if you go with a man, it's because men respect men.

[00:55:46]Yes. I mean, there's no other way to say it. If you go with a man, they won't say anything to you. No, they're not going to come near you. No, but where does that leave our independence?

[00:55:55]Independence and our integrity.

[00:55:58]Yes, yes.

[00:55:58]Yes. Rosario Villegas says, "Are your nieces intelligent?" Yes, yes, they are.

[00:56:03]Thank you, thank you.

[00:56:04]Ana says, "Always answer, don't stay silent."

[00:56:08]Clear.

[00:56:09]He says, "They look like their uncle." No, Rosario, no, not at all. They are smart.

[00:56:15]Uh, [laughs] it must be really sad for you to have to endure that kind of... I do n't even know what to call it, I mean, yes, it is aggression, even if it's just words, but it's aggression towards you and it must be very sad to go through that every day and have to be careful and say, like you were saying earlier, I can't wear this, I can't go out in the street with this because something might happen to me, right? Besides, it's like she's already gotten it into her head that you dress so you do n't look like that.

[00:56:54]Yes. Or I just take it to go to the gym.

[00:56:59]Here we go to the gym and we go in our gym clothes. I wear sweatpants and a jacket over them, and that's it at the gym.

[00:57:06]And at the gym I still think I won't look very... Yes, very striking.

[00:57:11]Striking. That's what you think about over there. You can't dress the same because you say, ' Oh, I'm not going to look like that.' What are they going to think?

[00:57:18]Yes. Mm.

[00:57:19]So, the problem [clears throat] is theirs, you have to correct it and solve it, right?

[00:57:27]Look for an alternative.

[00:57:28]Look for the alternative.

[00:57:30]Maye says, if they shout today, it will be for the fight, not for the honey.

[00:57:37]He says, "What has he done?" Mike says, "What has that ignorant woman in the palace truly done for feminism, besides using the issue to promote her nefarious narco-party ideology? It's sad that there is still no justice for women." Yes, it's just sad that she's a woman too.

[00:57:54]Yes, Flor says they also have different perspectives. He tells Ana, you have to stay quiet. context. You're walking down the street and people disrespect you. Some guys on top of a van with tinted windows and no license plates. Would you dare to answer? That's exactly right. You don't know who you 're answering. It's not that we see them as authority figures, I'm simply not going to put my life on the line. Well, I want to live.

[00:58:21]Yes, I want to live. I still have many things to do. And besides, the plan, Mayer says, remember, together, free and without fear.

[00:58:33]Flor says "exactly." Take great care with the way you dress. I disagree with you, Flor, because the problem isn't with the women, the problem lies in the head of the idiot who says things to them or wants to do things to them. So why should the victim have to be the one to find the solution? No no. I disagree with that.

[00:58:55]Yes, but I don't think that's what he means.

[00:58:57]I feel it refers more to the fact that it coincides with what we say, that if you have something that shouldn't be the case, but you take care of how you dress.

[00:59:07]Ana Tagle says, "I once punched one of them in the face. Jazmín, imagine if I wouldn't scream if they tried to put me in a van."

[00:59:18]owes this kind of thing. We as men don't fully understand them because we don't experience it, we don't know what it feels like, because, I mean, we're not harassed, right?

[00:59:32]So, I don't know, I don't know what that feeling is like, nor the fear it might cause, nor the courage it might inspire. So, these are things that only you can explain and that we must understand how to try to empathize with because we will never experience them, they are things that we do n't know, they are not going to happen. It's very sad. So, to get things going and heading towards the end, let's talk about nice things. What do you like most about your country?

[01:00:07]The food, the food [laughs] that people are very, very warm, regardless of everything that happens. I feel that kindness hasn't been completely lost and there are some very good people, I mean, I dare say we do have them, what do you call it? Solidarity.

[01:00:33]Solidarity. Empathy, shelter.

[01:00:36]Shelter. Yes. That is, we do feel pain for reasons.

[01:00:43]We don't feel the pain of others, although not everyone, I can't speak for everyone, but it is still very common and I would like, as I was telling you the previous nights, that I would like us to stop, to not lose that kind of delicacy, that is, in the end it is our decision as a society, it's just that we haven't realized it yet.

[01:01:11]But yes, I think we are on the right track because that feeling of belonging to Mexico has not been lost, and that is important too. It's not just about abandoning it, but about wanting to make a change. And I understand that there are many people who cannot be in their country and I find it extremely sad because Mexico is such a beautiful country, it has so many beautiful things and I can't imagine what they must be feeling. They are also concerned about their families, about the people who are in other countries. "I don't know," Jazmín tells me, "I'm not a supporter of Morena.

[01:01:54]But since you don't live in Mexico and you never show your face, hiding behind a ski mask, criticizing what's happening in Mexico without experiencing it firsthand. But, how? I suppose you were asking.

[01:02:06]Yes, I understood too.

[01:02:08]Without experiencing it firsthand.

[01:02:11]Well, but that's why we [laughs] come here to talk about it, because it is real. Of course, but Yasmín Bustamante surely thinks, 'Yasmín, I could explain Mexico to you, even though you live there.

[01:02:25]I could tell you the reality of Mexico, even though I'm not experiencing it right now.'

[01:02:32]How can you come and tell me that I don't know what's happening in my country?

[01:02:36]I find out about practically everything that happens every day.

[01:02:41]But well," Rosario says, "There's still hope."

[01:02:45]Oh.

[01:02:45]I gave her a... That's what women also talk about, about machismo. Well, obviously yes, because if you're living in a society that teaches you, I mean, a society governed Under a patriarchal system, you're sexist.

[01:02:59]Of course.

[01:03:00]Yes. I mean, you can't just unlearn it overnight. It's a constant questioning; we grapple with that, and yes, it's also uncomfortable. I mean, giving up certain things, ceasing to behave the way you've been taught, it's uncomfortable to live for and through someone else. It's something that takes a lot of work.

[01:03:21]Yes. And not everyone has the same access to education, to certain information. Hmm.

[01:03:31]Well, obviously, they're going to continue reinforcing that.

[01:03:36]It's normal.

[01:03:37]And among your schoolmates, do you see any effort to try to change that model of why we are the way we are, I mean, we were all raised that way?

[01:03:48]Yes. Mm.

[01:03:49]But young people today at least have the intention of changing it.

[01:03:54]Yes, it hurts. Well, I'm speaking from my perspective. I think our close friends do hurt when we tell them from our perspective as women how we see things.

[01:04:08]Yes, it hurts, and they try to do something about it, at least in some sectors. Small, but yes, it's also more comfortable for them to do nothing. Of course, they always have the option of doing nothing, and there are two options for them. I mean, when it comes to men, there are two options.

[01:04:28]Either they get fully involved, which also puts them in danger, and we understand that, or they do absolutely nothing and leave the whole problem to us and watch from afar. And the truth is, that's what most of them do. Of course, because it's more comfortable. That's it, I mean, getting involved in any social movement always tends to be uncomfortable.

[01:04:48]Yes, because you have to learn other things, unlearn others. So, well, it's uncomfortable, isn't it?

[01:04:55]Unlearning others, especially because everyone has found a way to survive. So, detaching yourself from that feeling of comfort, of " I've already learned how to manage my life." If I get involved in someone else's life, well, I 'm already putting myself at risk. But I think young people are very brave.

[01:05:20]Yes, that's true.

[01:05:21]We are very brave. That's all. That everyone still needs to wake up.

[01:05:25]Everyone.

[01:05:26]But it's true that, I mean, you can have a certain ideology, not do everything, not do everything, but the fact that you know it also prevents you from doing worse things, you know? I mean, just being aware of it and not allowing it to continue, at least within yourself, is already a huge step.

[01:05:49]Of course, that's important. Maye says, " The patriarchy isn't going to fall, we're going to bring it down." Rosario says, "Oh, don't pay attention to what they tell you." "From a distance, you do more than many here."

[01:06:02]Yes, yes, it's true, Rosario. We mustn't lose hope. It's the last thing to die, but it is sad that every government that comes in disappoints us with the same mafia and corruption, but we must have hope in the hat movement, he says. Another incredible live stream, champ. Thank you, José Antonio. They are all warriors, says Chucruto.

[01:06:22]Yes, they are very smart girls, really.

[01:06:25]I mean, not because I'm family, right?

[01:06:27]But they are very smart girls, very sensitive, they are very cheerful. They have made these days here very fun for me. You're welcome.

[01:06:40]They go to sleep at 5 in the morning, or [laughs] whatever, but [clears throat] I learn.

[01:06:46]I don't have the opportunity to spend time with people their age, because I spend time with people my own age.

[01:06:51][clears throat] And then suddenly they arrive and tell me what you experience at your age in Mexico and wow, it worries me a lot, it scares me a lot, it makes me very Sadness, too, about many of the things you have to go through.

[01:07:09]I think that's what has affected me most about the things we 've talked about. It makes me very sad.

[01:07:17]How I would have loved for you to have experienced what, well, I don't know, Amale, who's about 22 years older than me.

[01:07:27]Um, how I would have loved for you to have experienced the Mexico we loved, because it was something else, truly, it was something else. And that really hurts me, that you can't enjoy what we enjoyed, that you can't go out into the streets, that you can't travel freely, that you can't venture out and do crazy things because of fear, because of the situation in the country.

[01:07:56]Yes. That's very sad, truly, very sad. He says, "It's great that you're enjoying your stay." Yes, honestly, I am. Juan Flores, "Are you getting old?"

[01:08:04]No, Maye is older. [laughs] Like, Maye, you're really something, he says. May, the bankers are the patriarchy. Well, yes, yes, I am. I'm really enjoying it, honestly. I think I can consider these days I've spent here with you, and those to come, as one of the most beautiful stages of my life. A stage because I'm learning so much from them. So much. It was something else entirely. Cuquis says, "When I was a kid, I could go out at night without anything happening." Well, yes, me too. I mean, really, the biggest danger was coming home and your mom hitting you with her slipper because nothing, absolutely nothing, would happen. The danger was in the street if you fell while running around like a wild goat in the fields. That was what was dangerous. Nobody was going to jump you, nobody was going to kidnap a child, you were n't going to suddenly find yourself in the middle of a shootout or anything. That didn't happen. I mean, what you're experiencing today didn't exist. It did n't exist. That's why those of us who are a little older, well, I think we do notice the big difference. We've lived it. Well, folks, it really touched me. It's really nice that these girls wanted to chat with us for a little while.

[01:09:32]I love you both so much, you're very brave, I congratulate you so, so, so much. And I wanted to share this with you so you could hear the opinions of two young women living in a country and a state at war, so you could understand how they live.

[01:09:52]It's that bad. She says, "Lastly, uh, today there was a shootout in Zacatecas, they practically riddled a kindergarten with bullets." No way, it's just that, a kindergarten.

[01:10:16]There are so many demons in Mexico. The horror started to affect me during my high school years.

[01:10:22]I remember that in rural areas you could sleep with the door open when it was hot. Thanks, May says. Well, you've made me feel even worse with this about the kindergarten in Zacatecas, she says. Oh, there weren't any children there. She clarifies it was in the early morning. Oh, well, even so, the violent act is very serious. I mean, what was the intention behind attacking a children's school? Maybe they 're extorting the teachers?

[01:10:55]What That was intense.

[01:10:57]There was another robbery in Maltrata right under the National Guard's noses. Yes, I saw that one. Yes, I saw it, Juan Flores.

[01:11:04]That was intense. Well, we're leaving now, guys. Have a good time. Let's see if you'll still be here for about 20 more days. Let's see if we can do another broadcast. If not, when you all go back, we'll return to our regular broadcasts on Wednesdays, Fridays, Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays. Well, have a good time, everyone.

[01:11:27]Thank you very much, girls. Say goodbye.

[01:11:29]Thank you. Goodbye. You're not going to believe this, but they were waving goodbye like they were being watched. [laughs] Anyway, have a good time, everyone, and we'll see you next week. Goodbye. Goodbye.