Flat Earth DEBATE, Nathan Thomson & Flaterday Saint vs TJump & Amy

Added: 2026-05-16

[00:00:00][music] [singing] [music] >> People of the internet, tonight we are debating the flat Earth and we are starting right now. So, wrong thing.

[00:00:22]Welcome to Modern Day Debate. I am the [clears throat] host Kaz and of Atheist Edge, Flat Earth Discussionist Network and among other things. Tonight we have TJ and Amy Newman crossing swords with Nathan Thompson and Flatter Day Saints.

[00:00:34]Each team is going to split 12 minutes of opening statements and then we're going to have 60 minutes of open discussion and 35 minutes of Q&A and I believe first first tonight is the round earthers, so at your first word, I will let you guys have the floor.

[00:00:51]World's round.

[00:00:53]We've we've been to space, we've seen it. Opening over.

[00:00:58]All right, that's TJ and Amy. Thank you and all right.

[00:01:04]>> [gasps] >> Hello everyone, my name is Amy Newman.

[00:01:07]You can find me at youtube.com/amynewman where I do comedy shows with my co-host James W because I am a comedian, counter apologist and academic with degrees in graphic design, film, game design, education and information technology.

[00:01:26]I tend to take a Socratic method in these sort of topics because that's how I think we truly get to know someone's viewpoint. Speaking of which, flat Earth on trial because the Earth is not guilty of being flat.

[00:01:45]Yet on charges of being round the jury finds the Earth thick.

[00:01:53]That is to say a globe or specifically an ellipsoid sphere with slightly squished poles and a bulge at the equator. Isaac Newton was one of the first to make this prediction because of the Earth's rotation along with his theory of gravity which answers the question why do massive objects get round?

[00:02:17]Like our moon, the star, and yes every planet including our own.

[00:02:25]Well gravity is constantly pushing everything inwards from all sides. Kinky.

[00:02:35]If the Earth were flat or a disk gravity would change as you move towards the edge. Sure, at the center you would feel a downward pull, but as you move away from the center towards the edge gravity would be pushing us from other angles. Someone could throw a baseball on a level ground and it would fall backwards.

[00:03:05]Though many natural philosophers knew about the shape of the Earth thousands of years ago.

[00:03:12]The ancient Greeks like Eratosthenes who found out that by recording shadows directly at noon with one tower being directly overhead casting no shadow at noon in one city then in another city at the same time shadows casting at an angle with another.

[00:03:38]As if time were moving differently, something that would become useful as we implement time zones since on a spinning Earth we produce a single rotation or a day-night cycle with some of the people on Earth having day and some others having night.

[00:04:03]Gradually, which is another way that we know the world is round.

[00:04:10]Because sailors have circumnavigated the map, sailing across the globe, which is now possible in the form of an economy flight as pilots have flown across the world only to come back on the other side. Something that is only possible on a round Earth.

[00:04:36]Now, one could presume that a flat-Earth debate is about science.

[00:04:45]It's not.

[00:04:47]The vast consensus of scientists say the world is round.

[00:04:54]>> Yes.

[00:04:55]Guys, uh we are not live.

[00:04:57]Oh.

[00:04:59]Dun dun dun dun dun dun dun.

[00:05:01]>> is that my show if you are live?

[00:05:03]Or uh I'm live on my end. I'm good.

[00:05:05]>> Screw it. We'll do it live anyway. No.

[00:05:08]No, I think we are. Never mind. I'm so sorry.

[00:05:10]Go ahead.

[00:05:10]>> No, you're perfectly fine.

[00:05:12]Uh Yeah. Well, we would Well, we would presume this is, you know, a debate about science.

[00:05:20]It really isn't. The vast consensus of scientists, once again, say the Earth is round.

[00:05:28]So then, what are we talking about?

[00:05:31]Really, we're discussing epistemology.

[00:05:36]A fancy word for how do we know what we know?

[00:05:40]And if the answer is only personal experience, then science is out the door. Because the entire process of science is trying to weed out our own personal bias by putting forth experimentations, collecting data, then inviting others to do the same by publishing one's methodology and the results in a peer-reviewed journal.

[00:06:14]Where we're actually talking about a theory versus a conspiracy theory.

[00:06:25]A mindset that is driven to presuppose nefarious powers on grand scales for which they have little evidence for.

[00:06:37]In their worldview, it's actually the scientist in cahoots with sinister political forces to control our mind.

[00:06:51]Flat-Earthers share a lot with young Earth creationists who say they're skeptical of evolution, the Big Bang, the Earth being 4.5 billion years old. However, when we ask them >> Uh can I still take four or five minutes?

[00:07:12]>> I I give I I I donate my time to Amy.

[00:07:14]Thank you so very much.

[00:07:16]Uh however, when we ask for a model or really any logistical question on how a young or flat Earth would operate, oh, they will quickly talk about something else. And well, I don't know is the correct answer, especially when you don't know something, if you're going to disagree with all the data that scientists gather, you once again may be a conspiracy theorist. And I don't want to use ad hominems.

[00:07:51]A fancy way of me trying to insult their personalities. However, I will find However, I find this will mostly come from the conspiracy theorists themselves.

[00:08:06]But, more on that in a second. I quote from the article differential sus- susceptibility to misleading flat-Earth arguments on YouTube. You- quote, "YouTube has been influential in propagating flat-Earth ideology, but not everyone is equally susceptible to the effects of watching these videos. In experiment with a participant pool restricted to regular YouTube users, we found that lower science intelligence and higher conspiracy mentality increase individual susceptibility to flat-Earth arguments on YouTube. In fact, these two dispositional variables interact, whereas people with lower conspiracy mentality do not find the arguments compelling at any level of science intelligence. Among those with higher conspiracy mentality, perception of argument strength decreases as science intelligence increases.

[00:09:14]Moreover, perception of argument strength varied on the thrust of the eclipse arguments, science, conspiracy, or religious based. With religious appeal being perceived as weaker and inspiring more counter-arguing than the science clip. That's because end quote. That's because fundamentalist religious thinking and conspiracy thinking share something in common. It's them versus mainstream science. They're not publishing papers. They're not writing in journals. They can't answer any question when it comes to their worldview on any logistical, experimental, or predictable way. So, what we normally get are words of projection. It's your round Earth religion from your globe priests.

[00:10:10]A hoax that is being spread by, you know, science.

[00:10:17]Sorry, but no. But, thanks for using those words in a negative manner. One step in the right direction.

[00:10:25]But, when it comes to Flat Earth on Trial, a theory will always beat a conspiracy theory.

[00:10:33]Thank you.

[00:10:38]All right. We'll go ahead and kick it over to the flat-Earthers. Um whichever one wants to go first with your first word.

[00:10:45]Uh Malaysian saying you guys aren't live on MDD.

[00:10:50]Yeah, I don't think we are. I'm I'm trying to fix it, but I can't reach James.

[00:10:56]YouTube's kicked me out. I don't know what to do. I'm I can't fix it without James.

[00:11:01]Yeah, I'm Kim.

[00:11:02]As someone who is uh moderating >> completely sympathetic to you. Thank you.

[00:11:08]I can't [laughter] fix it. It's kicked me out entirely. It's saying that I need uh James to fix it. Like uh what's it? Third-party verification?

[00:11:16]>> to call him. He's not answering.

[00:11:17]>> Two-factor authentication or something?

[00:11:19]Yeah, that crap.

[00:11:23]Yeah, he had something to do. I think he told me, and I just forgot what he was doing.

[00:11:27]Yeah. Well, I don't know. Um let's just continue. It'll be recorded, and then we'll uh we'll live premiere it later, I guess.

[00:11:36]Um So, yeah. At your first word, let's go ahead.

[00:11:42]Uh Drew, you want to go first or is it me and is Drew here?

[00:11:48]Yeah, I don't see his picture anywhere.

[00:11:50]Yeah, he is. Here he is. Here he is.

[00:11:52]Can you hear me?

[00:11:55]Yes.

[00:11:55]>> I'll start the timer over.

[00:12:02]Can you hear us?

[00:12:04]Yeah. Can you hear me?

[00:12:06]Yep.

[00:12:07]Go ahead whenever you're ready.

[00:12:08]>> me?

[00:12:09]Testing. Testing. So >> Whenever you're ready, just go ahead.

[00:12:18]All right. So, um Amy brought up Eratosthenes You want to go first or do you want me to?

[00:12:23]No, you go. Go ahead. Go first. I'll follow you.

[00:12:30]All right. Well, T-Jump didn't even say anything. Just said the world is round and according to his model, it's pear-shaped. So, or a ball because pizzas, coins, frisbees are all round and flat. They're not balls. So, you need to be a little more specific with your globe Earth cartoon nonsense.

[00:12:49]Um why do massive objects get round? And Amy into about how it's gravity. Well, again your model isn't round, it's pear-shaped.

[00:12:59]So, when you say the moon and sun are all round they should be pear-shaped shaped on your model cuz gravity.

[00:13:07]Okay.

[00:13:08]Gravity um Eratosthenes shadows.

[00:13:11]Neil deGrasse Tyson says that works on both models. So, I don't even know why globbers are still using this as proof, this 2,000-year-old story that they haven't verified when the most famous globe Earth scientist in the world says it works on both model >> [laughter] >> Oh my god, Soros got to him.

[00:13:34]>> [snorts] >> What happened? He got disconnected? Yep, he got disconnected.

[00:13:39]Oh.

[00:13:41]All right, I'll I'll pick up right where he he left off then.

[00:13:46]So um Amy was talking about Eratosthenes.

[00:13:50]Uh Neil deGrasse Tyson even said that the shadow experiment would work either on a flat Earth with a local sun or the heliocentric model that most people subscribe to.

[00:14:01]She also said you want to You want me to finish, Nate?

[00:14:04]Yeah, go ahead, finish and I'll go.

[00:14:06]Sorry, I just kicked me out of StreamYard randomly. Dude, we are having every technical difficulty possible, dude.

[00:14:13]Okay.

[00:14:14]Uh she also said sailors have circumnavigated the Earth and you can only do this on a globe. I've never seen sailors use a globe to um navigate anywhere on the sea. All maps are flat.

[00:14:25]Um she also said that we should have um put forth like real real science put is putting forth data and it would be published um by a peer-reviewed study.

[00:14:40]Um first of all, if the conspiracy is true and the majority of scientists have all been paid off, then how would we put that out? And secondly, why would we Why would you need to put out a peer-reviewed study to show you something that's that's plain for everybody to see? Everybody experiences the non-moving level plane pretty much everywhere besides mountains and valleys.

[00:15:08]So, um putting forth data by a by a peer-reviewed study is kind of ridiculous to think.

[00:15:16]Um NASA was created basically within the same year as the International Geophysical Year and the same year that the Antarctic Treaty was created in 1958.

[00:15:30]So, if you're looking at that, that's the year that they discovered the Van Allen belts and the person who discovered it, James A. Van Allen, American physicist who designed the instruments on board the Explorer, kind of convenient.

[00:15:50]Um Amy also said the globe's a theory versus a conspiracy, which is flat Earth.

[00:15:58]So, the globe still has never been proven and you guys have a lot more resources to do it.

[00:16:06]Don't expect um somebody who disproves your model to create a model.

[00:16:14]Falsification's independent of replacement.

[00:16:17]If I went to court and um I can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that my client didn't murder the person, in order for him to get let off and leave that jail, um I don't need to produce the murderer.

[00:16:29]That's kind of ridiculous. So, >> [snorts] >> go ahead, Nate.

[00:16:36]I think he Something happened.

[00:16:41]We now have two Nathan Thompsons.

[00:16:48]Praise the sun.

[00:16:50]One of them will work, I hope.

[00:16:54]We really are having every technical difficulty possible tonight, aren't we?

[00:17:00]Well, I just got booted off StreamYard again.

[00:17:09]Let's just roll with it, guys.

[00:17:11]Let's roll with it.

[00:17:14]Does anyone hear the crackling or is that just me? Yes, that is Flaturday, I think.

[00:17:24]Cuz he's holding his mic in his hand, I believe.

[00:17:28]All right.

[00:17:30]Well, Oh, it's a cigarette. No, I get it when you talk, too. Do you talk?

[00:17:37]Uh I'm not hearing it from Caz or Amy, only when you talk, Nate.

[00:17:41]And when Flaturday talks.

[00:17:49]Yeah, I think it's the feedback from the cell phones.

[00:17:54]But let's just keep going, guys. Come on.

[00:18:01]You guys are still in your opening. You guys can continue talking.

[00:18:03]>> said, time zones, um guys, watches have time zones?

[00:18:11]Okay, I I was going to.

[00:18:15]Time zones. Um watches have time zones?

[00:18:19]>> [laughter] >> Oh, no.

[00:18:25]Well, Saurus keeps shutting him down.

[00:18:30]I think Flaturday's frozen, too. He's or he's very, very still.

[00:18:35]I just have to say, this is what you get when you don't appreciate satellites.

[00:18:39]Just putting that out to the universe.

[00:18:44]Uh he's back. They're both back in some capacity.

[00:18:49]Um >> [laughter] >> I don't know which one to remove yet.

[00:18:56]I just got kicked off again.

[00:18:58]Internet don't lie.

[00:19:00]This is fun.

[00:19:02]>> [laughter] >> It's like Whac-A-Mole.

[00:19:11]Well, are you guys still doing your opening statements or shall we go to open discussion?

[00:19:19]Uh yeah, I'd like to finish my opening statement real quick.

[00:19:22]Go ahead.

[00:19:23]You said time zones prove the Earth is a globe. Well, a watch has time zones. If the hour hand is pointing towards the zone that is straight up, it's going to be either noon or midnight. And then it goes like this, the 1:00 this the 1:00 zone and then it goes like this, 2:00 that's the 2:00 zone and watches are flat.

[00:19:45]So, you can have time zones on a flat Earth just like you can have zones on a flat watch.

[00:19:53]You said our proof that Earth is a globe is some people have day and some people have night.

[00:19:59]Okay.

[00:20:00]Okay, well, the sun is small >> [gasps] >> You guys ever heard that phrase the ball don't lie when you're playing like a sport like volleyball and like the next point is like whoever is right in the argument? Well, in- internet don't lie.

[00:20:18]Right.

[00:20:20]The internet tells the truth. Right.

[00:20:22]Every single statement on the internet is a true statement.

[00:20:26]True.

[00:20:27]Yep.

[00:20:29]And I hope James is okay.

[00:20:35]Usually he'll at least answer the phone or texts when I'm live.

[00:20:43]Well, Can I like just do some open conversation and I'll just give it back to them when they Oh, you want Flat Earth A saint actually right back to you.

[00:20:56]You're still here.

[00:20:57]Okay.

[00:20:59]Why why don't you believe that we've been to space?

[00:21:03]Well, I mean, do you believe that you've been to space?

[00:21:06]No, I believe that the NASA astronauts have been to space, the Russian cosmonauts have been to space.

[00:21:12]If if they've been to space, why would that include we?

[00:21:16]Humans, we humans, we as a species. Cuz it only takes one, right? If If one person has been to space, that proves space, doesn't it?

[00:21:25]I mean, if one person's been to Santa Claus's where he makes Christmas present to doesn't prove Santa Claus is real. Kind of Kind of does. I mean, if a person has been to Santa Claus's house, then Santa Claus must be real cuz otherwise he couldn't own a house.

[00:21:39]>> How can How can something be real to somebody who's never experienced it, though? I assume you All we're going off of is what a person said. Well, things are real even if you don't believe it.

[00:21:48]So, like it's it's real even if you don't know it.

[00:21:51]So, if if one person goes to space and and they've proven space exists, then it's real for everybody regardless of what >> How did they prove it exists, though?

[00:21:59]They went there. They were literally at the location of the So, you're taking their word for it, then? Yes, and the pictures, and the satellite data, and the novel testable predictions, and the ability to do science, and the James Webb telescope, and the LIGO experiments showing black holes, and the cosmological data and CMB.

[00:22:18]Yes, I'm taking their word for it.

[00:22:21]And in fact, can I just say flat-earthers, um like that is the debate. It's like where do we get our information from? I think T Jump and I, we trust science, and you guys just don't trust the mainstream science. And that's why I used the word conspiracy theorist because it is uh this massive movement. I mean, my joke is if flat Earth is true, then there has been peace achieved on Earth. Like uh all governments cuz all governments are working together secretly. They're Maybe they're orchestrating the war, but they're hiding this one thing. They have been able to hide this one thing that doesn't seem to have any leakers or any um like whistleblowers or any It just seems to be the scientists.

[00:23:13]Why isn't China like just undercutting everybody saying the world is flat and then just taking over cuz they they can prove to if they can prove the US government is lying but they're not doing that. That seems strange for China.

[00:23:27]And Russia.

[00:23:29]And North Korea. You guys are really And Sudan.

[00:23:34]And Saudi Arabia.

[00:23:37]Can you guys hear me? Yes, we can hear you. Yes.

[00:23:42]So you you guys believe that all the countries get a all the countries are not under a one world peace treaty agreement.

[00:23:51]Then you believe in in stuff like wars in Ukraine and stuff like that. Yes, that's why nuclear weapons are a thing.

[00:23:57]Mhm, all right.

[00:23:58]That's why like the only reason Cuz all you've seen is videos of what nuclear weapons can do. You never experienced one. But this is what I mean.

[00:24:05]>> If I if I had, I probably wouldn't be alive.

[00:24:08]Yeah.

[00:24:11]But on your model if I don't have a model.

[00:24:14]Although my girlfriend did take did do um swimsuit pictures at one time. All right.

[00:24:19]But like >> [gasps] >> like if there would be some way that you guys could show in a small or like I sometimes get like well, we can't get to or there's drone laws that don't allow you to go so high and it's like is that really what's stopping you guys?

[00:24:42]The the laws, the drone laws? Because the governments like don't be naughty.

[00:24:49]Send a drone up there.

[00:24:51]So why don't one of you Why is it And also another question, why does it seem to be the private and the public sector?

[00:24:58]They rarely agree and yet Elon as well as other private corporations and you know, NASA scientists the world over How does it this this one thing agree on? And when I say this one thing, I mean it's just scientists, it's businesses, NASA.

[00:25:21]You know the the tree in the in the in the garden of Eden that Eve ate the fruit from, the name of the tree was Scientia.

[00:25:33]What What is The name of the wand in Harry Potter was the Elder Wand. Does that prove the world is round? The Latter-Day Saints, that also goes back to my point, the science versus religion. This isn't like whose science is more believable.

[00:25:51]I don't know. I don't I'm not I'm not into religion or science. I just trust my own senses.

[00:25:57]But the Garden of Eden just came up relatively. We didn't like push you in that direction.

[00:26:03]And I find that is often what happens when we talk to flat-earthers. The joke is like if you just like poke them a little bit, it's like this is really cuz they hate God. You're like, "Wow, where did that come from?"

[00:26:16]I don't know. God God God is short for Gadreel, which is the name of the serpent in the Garden of Eden.

[00:26:24]So I don't worship any type of God.

[00:26:27]Why do you believe that but not space?

[00:26:31]>> [sighs] >> Cuz it resonates correctly with my heart.

[00:26:36]You would understand the difference between a lie and truth simply by hearing it and it how it resonates with your heart.

[00:26:44]Isn't it called intuition? Like most fallacies resonate with people's hearts, but they're just objectively wrong.

[00:26:51]>> [snorts] >> I don't know, bro. I I can tell if somebody's telling the truth or lying by listening to them.

[00:26:55]Can we test that? Can I give you truth and a lie and you tell me which one's the lie?

[00:27:02]You want to try it?

[00:27:03]>> Yes. Yes, I do.

[00:27:04]>> Well, we believe different things though. So, a lie to you might might be the truth to me.

[00:27:11]Or vice versa. I feel like a lie has to have intent. Right. Like a lie is a lie is just something that I'm intending to lie about. So, these are just facts The two truths and a lie is facts about my life. So, it should it shouldn't be it shouldn't be like I don't think you can say one's not true for you. That doesn't make sense cuz I'm No matter what no matter what you can say I'm lying though. It's that's just that's up to you, you know what I mean?

[00:27:32]>> Oh, everyone can confirm them cuz all the facts will be mentioned on my previous videos on YouTube. So, they're all confirmable.

[00:27:40]I'm not going to go watch your YouTube video.

[00:27:42]You don't need to confirm it. Just my YouTubers can confirm if they're lies or not.

[00:27:46]>> [clears throat] >> You said you could tell if people were lying. Why don't you want to play the game? It's fun. Fun game.

[00:27:54]Whatever makes you happy. If you want to do it, go ahead.

[00:27:58]Okay.

[00:27:59]Uh one, I own a boat. Two, I'm working on a book. Three, I've been to the UK.

[00:28:14]Which which one do you think is the lie?

[00:28:18]Number one.

[00:28:19]Nope. I own a boat.

[00:28:22]It was a trick question. They were all true.

[00:28:25]Mm, you got me. I did. I did indeed.

[00:28:28]I just took the shortest sentence.

[00:28:30]The other ones had multiple words in it.

[00:28:33]It's true.

[00:28:33]>> The shortest one only had four words. I mean four yeah, four words in the sentence. Yep.

[00:28:40]I got it got it from my Tinder profile.

[00:28:42]I have a small boat so I can put it in my Tinder pictures. It's literally the only reason I have it. I don't like fishing at all.

[00:28:47]Is Tinder like Grindr? Sort of, yes.

[00:28:50]Very very similar. They're almost They're almost identical.

[00:28:55]I just like that we all have Grindr, at least on people I know.

[00:28:58]Uh the Latter-Day Saints, I want to ask you, you were just talking about my heart.

[00:29:04]About your what?

[00:29:05]Your heart. As in it resonates more with you. And I mean, once again, that gets to the crux of it. Because I would say, you know, even though I have a strong feelings intuition side of me, when it comes to facts about reality, like I I can't say like, "How do I feel about the speed of light? How does that make me" I mean, you can reflect on it, but like my feelings don't affect it. And so we at least have to Can you agree that we have to have some sort of separation between what we feel and the actual reality, or reality?

[00:29:52]So that separation you're talking about is man-made.

[00:29:56]And it's been indoctrinated in you since you started school, maybe even before that. Wait, what man-made?

[00:30:03]That separation. Between >> between heart and science?

[00:30:08]No, that's not what you said originally.

[00:30:11]Between the between your heart and reality.

[00:30:14]>> Like She means like imagination and reality. There's a difference between the things we imagine, which are imaginary, like unicorns, and reality, where there are not unicorns.

[00:30:23]Well, I never said the word imagine though. I said the truth resonates correctly with my heart, and a lie doesn't resonate correctly.

[00:30:30]I feel like you're adjusting what you said, but we'll take it, I guess.

[00:30:35]The truth resonates with you because once again, why are all the scientists saying one thing? That's called a bandwagon fallacy, Amy. I didn't get to cover it in my opening because StreamYard blocked me and kicked me out four times and just got back in. But yeah, just because a lot of scientists say something doesn't mean it's true.

[00:30:58]Using that as your proof is called a bandwagon fallacy. That's not a bandwagon fallacy. Bandwagon fallacy is appealing to the public.

[00:31:06]>> for you, Amy. If you weren't taught Okay.

[00:31:13]If I wasn't taught >> I think I think I think you're muted.

[00:31:17]No. No.

[00:31:18]>> You froze.

[00:31:19]You froze.

[00:31:24]If someone mutes you, I will say it's going to keep on consistently being Soros.

[00:31:30]Oh, yes.

[00:31:32]Amy, I have a question for you.

[00:31:34]All right.

[00:31:37]Also, I it may help if you turn off your video. Sometimes that helps, not always.

[00:31:44]Shot in the dark.

[00:31:54]A question. I'm pressing the button and it won't let me.

[00:31:57]I Well, well, actually it worked. It worked and then you put it back on. I think you just had a second of lag.

[00:32:02]It's off now.

[00:32:04]Yeah, it's on.

[00:32:06]>> [laughter] [gasps] [sighs] >> All right, go ahead and continue, Amy.

[00:32:20]>> were taught the Earth was a globe Mhm. spinning globe in space, what would make you think the Earth was a spinning globe in space?

[00:32:29]I would do something like the shadows test my Well, I would have to do something like the shadows test myself.

[00:32:35]You obviously that kind of technology >> [gasps] >> Damn. I'll take it again. Uh damn you Mossad agents. But, uh yeah, I would have I mean, once again, we have technology. I could show the ISS feed right now. It actually and maybe he'll talk about this. It annoys the ever-loving crap at me when they're like, "Oh, it'd be so easy to create that sort of visual effects in 1960."

[00:33:04]It's like, really? Were you making Adobe? There was not a program to do that in 1960 because I would love to know how you did that. I would love to know I mean, technology also especially visual effects. If you work in that industry, the hot thing is to do special effects. Real things last a long time.

[00:33:25]That's why Jurassic Park looks amazing, the original. And then you use visual effects and they'll age within like a year.

[00:33:33]That's because, yeah, it it human actually have a lot of catching up to do to nature.

[00:33:42]Oh, welcome back.

[00:33:50]Yeah, that's the fifth time I've gotten kicked out of the stream.

[00:33:54]I think it's your internet connection is not um strong. Can you guys hear me?

[00:34:00]Yes.

[00:34:07]Nathan, why don't you believe we've been to space?

[00:34:17]Well, cuz space violates the second law of thermodynamics. Also, the astronauts that go to space can't decide whether or not they see star or don't stars. And you would think going to space, you'd remember if you saw stars or not, so there should be no inconsistencies with with those stories.

[00:34:38]Also, there are thousands of bloopers with NASA using green screen.

[00:34:44]>> [laughter] [gasps] [sighs] >> Well, I also want to know when he comes back. He said that space violates the second law of thermodynamics. I would like to know if anyone else has that view besides him.

[00:34:59]Like, that just seems to be his view on the second law of thermodynamics, to which I say, "Cool."

[00:35:08]Flat Earther, do you think that space violates the second law of thermodynamics?

[00:35:16]Yeah.

[00:35:18]Why?

[00:35:22]Because you can't have uh a vacuum next to a gas pressure system without a container barrier.

[00:35:29]What is the second law of thermodynamics?

[00:35:41]Hold on, I have to Google it.

[00:35:44]Okay.

[00:35:47]We appreciate the honesty.

[00:35:57]And then I will, while you're doing that, I just want to can put on the claim that I feel that this claim is your personal uh view on it. Like, there's no one else that at least in the scientific community, to which he's There was a bandwagon fallacy. I wanted to actually put that in my It's not Not only is it not a bandwagon fallacy, but it is not a um Appeal to authority. appeal Thank you.

[00:36:26]Appeal to authority fallacy because they are the actual authorities. These are the people that we have trained in academia. These are the best of the best. This is all we got, folks. I don't know what else to say.

[00:36:39]I think Flat Earth froze again.

[00:36:41]>> [clears throat] >> They're both being dragged away, taken into interrogation rooms as we speak.

[00:36:53]I I'll take the flat Earth position and he's got and he's got the round Earth.

[00:36:55]Let's do this.

[00:36:57]The internet has officially kicked Flat Earthers off.

[00:37:00]The internet.

[00:37:01]>> [laughter] >> StreamYard has banned Flat Earthers from StreamYard.

[00:37:07]Man.

[00:37:09]Um well, now that you guys have won by default, I suppose.

[00:37:16]Yes. I think that uh I will just read the one super chat we have.

[00:37:23]I don't know. Uh Uh yeah, I guess I mean, why not, right?

[00:37:31]Flat Earth day Well, no, it's it's directed towards them. Never mind. No, wait till they try to come back here.

[00:37:36]>> He shop could try to pretend to be that.

[00:37:37]We got 45 minutes left. Oh my god.

[00:37:39]>> Gravity is a lie. Gravity is fake.

[00:37:41]There's no gravity. [clears throat] >> Gravity is a lie. It's relative density.

[00:37:44]Um should get Iron Horse to jump in real quick.

[00:37:48]I know he's in the chat.

[00:37:50]How does anyone feel about magnets and vibrations? Oh, is he in your chat not the MDD chat?

[00:37:56]He's in the MDD chat. I'm going to uh send him an email with the freaking uh >> [laughter] >> StreamYard link real quick just in case.

[00:38:03]I think James is going [clears throat] to yell at you and said you should have rescheduled and just not kept going with it or something.

[00:38:09]You think so? Yep. Uh well.

[00:38:13]I'm not rescheduling.

[00:38:15]I mean, yeah, I mean, we could do that at this point. What difference does it make?

[00:38:21]It's been online for like 10 minutes anyways.

[00:38:23]They make it models and you know, for that time period, maybe.

[00:38:28]Well.

[00:38:29]Ladies and gentlemen, we're going to take this off the internet.

[00:38:32]>> [laughter] >> I'm going to read uh the super chat though since it came in uh real quick cuz that one guy doesn't feel cheated.

[00:38:40]>> [laughter] >> The Daddy 029 for $5 says, "Flyer Day and Nathan, would you be willing to donate your brain to science? It would help humanity to find out what causes this failure in reason."

[00:38:49]Um Gr- Grim like says $5.

[00:38:52]T- T-jump Flurflarp go.

[00:38:54]>> to read this.

[00:38:55]I'm going to send that uh that super chat to them just so they can hear it.

[00:38:59]It won't be uh wasted. Anyways, I don't know.

[00:39:02]This is a dumpster fire. Um yeah, I'm ending the broadcast.

[00:39:07]>> [laughter] >> Good night. Uh ladies and gentlemen.