POLITICAL LIFE WITHOUT RAILA ODINGA — CAN WE MANAGE?//Morning Conversation

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[00:00:01]Need to have a morning conversation.

[00:00:03]Here's one thing we cannot ignore.

[00:00:16]Do you know Baba was an enigma?

[00:00:20]Baba stood up and said anything.

[00:00:24]And that thing happened.

[00:00:26]There's no one who had this clout.

[00:00:28]No one at all.

[00:00:32]So let's not even start talking about filling his shoes. That'll never happen.

[00:00:42]There's an entire constituency here.

[00:00:46]Which is Baba David Junior and Sal. Good morning. Say to everyone at Star City Travel and Tours and Travels. Tell them we love them.

[00:00:52]And then there are the Baba orphans.

[00:00:57]Baba orphans are those ministers in government now.

[00:01:04]Mhm.

[00:01:06]There's going to be struggle for the control of the party. But the party without Baba cannot be the party as it was.

[00:01:14]Are we together?

[00:01:17]And here's the thing everyone's got to contend with.

[00:01:20]Where do you fix in Sifuna and Babu?

[00:01:31]Where do you fit them in?

[00:01:37]Suddenly the game has changed.

[00:01:40]Totally changed.

[00:01:43]You know ODM needs money.

[00:01:47]Yes.

[00:01:52]By the way. Is there a Joe who has money there?

[00:01:56]So where do you take him?

[00:02:00]No, Joe. Joe who because he's got all the money in the world will be he'll be party leader.

[00:02:06]>> [laughter] >> By the way, Joe who this is your chance.

[00:02:08]Hebu fikiria hiyo maneno.

[00:02:11]And then where the young Kenyans in this equation? And that that's where I want to hear from this morning. Cuz these old fogies, they shall fight, they shall scratch each other's eyes out, they shall kill each other.

[00:02:25]Because they believe whoever will run on an ODM ticket will be elected president.

[00:02:31]Where are the young people of Kenya this morning?

[00:02:35]It's time you're involved in every political conversation.

[00:02:41]Politics has changed completely since last Wednesday.

[00:02:46]The day his passing was announced, Baba.

[00:02:49]Babu Owino was here at Radio Jambo.

[00:02:58]But he said after Baba >> [clears throat] >> Now what happens to Sakaja now?

[00:03:14]Can I be honest?

[00:03:15]Okay, let me not be honest. Okay, so let me keep quiet. I want you to give me a call on 0711046105.

[00:03:22]Hit me up on XR Classic 105 Kenya or at It's Mine and King'ang'i. Please don't forget the hashtag It's Mine and King'ang'i.

[00:03:30]Where is this country headed?

[00:03:33]What next?

[00:03:34]What next even for the president?

[00:03:37]The president now he's got a headache.

[00:03:41]A very big one.

[00:03:42]>> A very big headache.

[00:03:44]I want to know where the young people of this country are.

[00:03:50]And I want to know your thinking, young Kenyans. Because it's how you think that we need to mold our politics so this country can go to where you want it to go. This is your country, I keep telling you.

[00:04:01]Hebu give me a call. 0711046105 is my number.

[00:04:06]Hit me up on XR Classic 105 Kenya or at It's Mine and King'ang'i. Please don't forget the hashtag It's Mine and King'ang'i.

[00:04:15]What next? What next?

[00:04:17]What are they going to do with Sifuna and Babu? The two thorns in their flesh.

[00:04:23]Young Kenyans, are you with Babu? Who are you with?

[00:04:29]The manic behind the scenes machinations have begun.

[00:04:35]They're going to be realignments.

[00:04:38]It's not going to be business as usual. Of that there's no doubt.

[00:04:47]Philip Mwathe Kombo is saying Sakaja will survive, but only until 2027.

[00:05:01]Mr. Ati David, good morning. Saying Sakaja si only aki pona.

[00:05:11]This country only have two people who are normal.

[00:05:20]Wow.

[00:05:22]Philip Mwathe Kombo is saying first of all we saw that ODM is a family political party. Why hand over leadership to an 82 plus year old leader? Actually he's heading to 90.

[00:05:32]What is what how does that make political sense?

[00:05:39]Chelimo is saying one of those politicians who used to do nothing and come back hiding behind Baba for their hands to be lifted, now they have to work or get out.

[00:05:54]Festus Ongaga, good morning.

[00:05:56]Saying number one, there's going to be political maturity in Luo Nyanza.

[00:06:01]If it if they become careless, ODM will die.

[00:06:06]Free advice in whatever decision ODM makes, it'll be unwise if they ignore Babu and Sifuna.

[00:06:15]Anjenga is saying some will be bought.

[00:06:20]Kenyan politics is all about money.

[00:06:22]They go where the offer is highest. And that will be their downfall.

[00:06:29]Jeff Al Khan, good morning. Saying Nairobi Senator Edwin Sifuna and Embakasi MP Babu Owino, Suba North MP Caleb Amisi are some of the young ODM legislators legislators who've shown the courage and conviction to continue Baba's legacy.

[00:06:47]There's going to be the mother of all shake-ups.

[00:06:50]The wheeling and dealing has begun.

[00:06:55]Isaac Mwathe Kombo is saying people should learn from Kanu. It's not the party that matters, it's the kind of person leading that matters. It's not just yapping and thinking you can lead.

[00:07:05]Rest in peace, Baba.

[00:07:07]>> [clears throat] >> Who's Chege?

[00:07:14]And Anjenga.

[00:07:20]Do you know politics is played chess?

[00:07:24]Politics.

[00:07:30]Karata. Karata. Politics. Drafts.

[00:07:43]Now we are going there.

[00:07:46]Hello. Hi, Maina. Hi, good morning.

[00:07:49]Good morning. How are you?

[00:07:51]>> I'm fine, thank you, sir.

[00:07:53]How was your very long weekend?

[00:07:55]>> My weekend was fantastic. What about yours?

[00:08:05]What is going to happen after Baba?

[00:08:09]Uh two things. First.

[00:08:28]Yeah. But Yeah.

[00:08:38]We don't know we don't know where to put him.

[00:08:41]Yeah.

[00:08:43]Now what is yatima? Yeah. For for for Sifuna and Babu. Yeah.

[00:08:53]Anything, Maina.

[00:09:00]A group of those people.

[00:09:04]We are good with it.

[00:09:05]>> [laughter] >> Are you getting?

[00:09:20]Yes. Because Baba and Babu and Sifuna and those young generation now when you want to talk here talk here up Yeah.

[00:09:33]They can have their ODM.

[00:09:44]Yeah. Those are the people we want to deal with. So story of chama it's not a big deal for me. Especially when it comes to Sifuna and Babu. Those they can just organize and get another chama.

[00:09:54]They already have Wafuasi. You saw You saw in all those functions. So, it's true.

[00:10:06]But we we really need this young generation.

[00:10:13]Honestly speaking, we are not in a good place and we are not heading in a good place. Another thing I'll say as I finish.

[00:10:22]As as many Baba men and evil.

[00:10:29]Because Ruto and I stand you know Baba was coming there after coming and I find my deals like it but I like what you do in my name and money in Asia and say that we don't have that. So if Ruto does anything that in a funny what what okay for Baba.

[00:10:54]I do a good to money that could you come come say they are good to pull it out.

[00:10:58]It could be a shower. So what are you doing to maintain the engine to kind of money? Now I can see Baba those young young people what could you do what you can do what you can do what you can do and I shall we can call it any name they want. Then you can do anything in 2027. Thank you so much guys. Have a good day.

[00:11:22]Wow.

[00:11:24]That is clarity right there. That's someone who in his mind is very clear what he wants.

[00:11:28]What do you want?

[00:11:30]Cuz it's going to be a new political dispensation of that there's no doubt.

[00:11:35]With the departure of Baba Kenyan politics are going to change forever.

[00:11:40]Already the back room negotiations are in full swing rest assured.

[00:11:46]You know there were things Baba guaranteed.

[00:11:49]Just because he was Baba.

[00:11:54]Yani Baba just Baba being Baba came with a 100% guarantee.

[00:12:10]Douglas Kiplagat good morning. Same manner in my opinion this is what's going to happen. Hold on.

[00:12:16]I like it though message and you had a very good message.

[00:12:21]Where are you?

[00:12:24]Hey Douglas Kiplagat where's my message gone? I like it though.

[00:12:28]You had a very good message and I do not want to miss that point because you are raising something very very very important. Yes, here you are.

[00:12:36]Same in my opinion this is what's going to happen in the next few months. Sifuna will be the first casualty.

[00:12:43]He'll be out of that seat by November. I assume you're talking about Secretary General of ODM.

[00:12:48]So Sifuna will be the first casualty out out of that SGC by November. Baba will be promised Governor of Nairobi.

[00:12:57]He agrees as Sakaja will be impeached before 2027. The guy agrees Douglas.

[00:13:04]Where did that come from?

[00:13:09]Interesting though.

[00:13:14]Soldier Mondoro good morning saying I can Sultan or guru body jealous yeah we made sure.

[00:13:27]Obadiah Kipchirchir to wait good morning to my brother saying let me tell you Raila Odinga was both revered and revealed a restless mercurial force whose life was a constant duel between destiny and defiance. He led he fought reconciled and re-emerged time and political and re-emerged time and political as like a political phoenix.

[00:13:48]That is true.

[00:13:49]That's what I'm saying he came with a guarantee. Does that guarantee still stand today?

[00:14:02]David to get you saying kiss to me I want me one time.

[00:14:06]For continuing support I can I.

[00:14:10]Hello. Hello my name is I'm fine.

[00:14:14]Yeah, I'm just calling to say that post Baba politics is a matter of it's a marathon.

[00:14:23]Yeah.

[00:14:24]And people like Anya and uh Orengo were with Baba Baba was through there suffered. And that is the soul of ODM party with Baba.

[00:14:37]About Baba and Sifuna they should go slow.

[00:14:43]They should go slow.

[00:14:45]It takes time and experience.

[00:14:48]Yeah. And politics is not a matter of haste and uh just yapping.

[00:14:54]Okay. Baba is still young and it is not student politics.

[00:15:00]Yeah, it takes time. It takes experience. It takes wisdom.

[00:15:05]So it's not a matter of haste.

[00:15:07]So we are watching and I believe there's hope.

[00:15:11]Because Baba had to go. He was 80 years old and and what have you?

[00:15:16]So people cannot hang on Baba forever.

[00:15:20]That's true. We have to have a life after Baba and after everybody. So we are all Kenyans and each one has one vote and what have you?

[00:15:28]So we are all observing and uh of course things will change.

[00:15:34]And I believe for the better.

[00:15:37]I believe for the better. We are in for a long haul. So it's not something that it will just happen in haste. But Baba but Baba and Sifuna should go slowly.

[00:15:49]They should go slowly. Because we are we are also almost the same age and we have seen it all. We are under and we have and there are so many guys who are very good and and and able but they are quiet. But the hope of Kenya are the diasporans.

[00:16:09]The Kenyans who have lived outside like some of us who have experience who have seen how countries are run. Those are the people to watch out for. Those are the people to save Kenya. Not the people like Baba and Sifuna I don't believe.

[00:16:25]The guys in diaspora.

[00:16:27]Okay.

[00:16:29]Thanks. Have a good day. You too. Okay, well he's having a good day. Why don't you have the final word?

[00:16:36]Political realignments already started.

[00:16:38]They are already in full swing no doubt.

[00:16:41]So my question is where are you as young Kenyans coming from?

[00:16:46]Cuz you know what they're going to talk amongst themselves and they leave you out of the equation again.

[00:16:51]So what happens? Hello. Hi my name is Hi good morning.

[00:16:56]Good morning my sister. Yes.

[00:16:58]I would like to tell Baba or Winnie Yeah. Sifuna and I can you know what you can do what you can do what you can do my man.

[00:17:07]Yeah. They don't have to lose their legacy their class.

[00:17:12]Yeah. Yeah.

[00:17:16]Yeah.

[00:17:17]>> You can form your own.

[00:17:20]And you are there to support them no matter what.

[00:17:23]You're there to support them.

[00:17:25]They they should not let the the news. They should not lower their dignity just because of trauma and you want to put that trauma and you see what they say.

[00:17:39]Can they form theirs you are going to be in dignity?

[00:17:42]Yeah. Yeah. They are good people who has class who are have visions now and you are going to put that.

[00:17:54]No.

[00:17:55]You're not looking for the trauma.

[00:17:57]You're looking >> for what they have to do for us.

[00:18:01]People who are focused who have visions and that's Baba Sifuna and I can do it.

[00:18:07]What you can do with me.

[00:18:10]I want I want what you want you know what you can do and Gladys Wanga and whatever.

[00:18:15]I can do I can do what you can do what you can do my man.

[00:18:20]Okay.

[00:18:21]>> But we are there for them.

[00:18:24]Thank you.

[00:18:25]Thank you. Good day. Wow.

[00:18:28]Keep your thoughts coming through my classic 105 Kenya or at my neck and hashtag is my neck and my God things are changing.

[00:18:36]How do you think they should change? Cuz everyone had everyone's had something to say. Oscar General you saying I was shocked president warning those who wanted to destroy ODM. He truly has a very big interest there.

[00:18:49]Jennifer can you send it should know things are not the same as they were before.

[00:19:01]And you are saying things are changing.

[00:19:06]Ian Ian cookies as one he good morning Ian as one he saying Baba and Sifuna should not back down.

[00:19:14]As someone said Baba was not elected into being a leader of ODM. He was chosen by people.

[00:19:19]Baba and Sifuna were chosen and they will thrive. If they decided to be president and deputy president respectively to tell them Philip you're very annoyed about the the guy who called him before the previous caller saying as per that caller urging Baba and Sifuna to go slow. Who the hell is he speaking for? We need change and we You it now.

[00:19:56]Salim Shakur, good morning. Saying if they happen to remove the SG or DM, that would be like removing the microphone from a public meeting.

[00:20:12]Close our discussion. Because the decisions made in the next couple of weeks will determine so much and will either kill or build political fortunes.

[00:20:23]Hello. Good morning, Maimuna.

[00:20:25]>> Good morning to you.

[00:20:26]How are you doing? How was your weekend?

[00:20:28]>> My weekend was great. What about yours?

[00:20:31]My weekend was good. It's been a long one with everything going on.

[00:20:34]>> Absolutely.

[00:20:35]Yeah, and you know, I learned that he different, Maimuna, you know? Yeah.

[00:20:41]And for some, it's a fall of a legend.

[00:20:43]For others, it's a closing chapter that dragged for long, let's be honest, you know? Yeah.

[00:20:48]Because Raila was both a hero and a heartbreak for this country. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:20:53]He fought for democracy when it was dangerous to do, but somehow along way it became part of the some, you know, political suckers he once opposed. Yeah.

[00:21:03]Yeah.

[00:21:04]And the truth is Raila meant revolution to our parents, but to us Gen Z it symbolized endless loops of promises, you know? Yeah. Coalitions, handshakes, politics that left young Kenyans broke, jobless, and hungry. Yeah.

[00:21:18]We do not hate him, we just outgrew him.

[00:21:22]You You do not hate him, you just outgrew him. Yes, because you cannot keep preaching change for 40 years and still sit at the same table with the same people you called corrupt. Yeah.

[00:21:33]You know that? Okay.

[00:21:35]>> And still, we erase what he stood for.

[00:21:39]Mhm? Yeah. Courage, resilience, that is the same same thing we are going to stand for because this time round the buttons have changed.

[00:21:50]Yeah.

[00:21:50]His generation fought for freedom of state, everything. Ours is fighting for freedom from hypocrisy. Raila's passing should not just make a a nostalgic move.

[00:22:02]It should make us accountable.

[00:22:06]Okay. And this [clears throat] time round, we have, you know, and I've been looking at the the the the kind of the kind of remarks that were being made at at the at the at the burial. I I I I just saw many emotional politics, politicians, and there was just a lot of things going on during that stage, but honestly, Maimuna, this is from a very honest perspective. Babu Owino is very emotional to lead ODM. Do you realize that?

[00:22:35]I'm listening to you.

[00:22:37]Babu is very emotional. Because as a leader, the best way to know that you can take up the baggage of something as strong as ODM is whatever going on doesn't affect your heart. You lead with data. You make decisions based on data. And when the time comes, you have to use data. You need to be so much informed that the data you use is going to be so crucial that even when closing your eyes, you know you can trust that data.

[00:23:10]Yeah.

[00:23:10]>> And to be honest with you, Babu Owino is very young.

[00:23:15]So >> And at this point >> Yeah.

[00:23:17]we as Gen Z we do not care how much Baba believed in you. What you want to look at right now is what does your leadership mean to us?

[00:23:28]Long gone are the days when we could say just because Baba advocated for you.

[00:23:33]Because, you know, Maimuna, let's be honest, there's a very big percentage of politicians who just because Baba advocated for them. Just because Baba stood with you. Baba lifting your hand automatically gave people a ticket to leadership. Do you realize that? That's true.

[00:23:48]It didn't matter whether you you were eloquent. It didn't matter that you could stand and talk your case. Just because Baba held your hand, it meant that somebody was going to vote for you even without considering anything.

[00:24:02]So as Gen Z So So So as Gen Z, where you guys coming from?

[00:24:07]We are coming from the point of revolution. At this point, any leader any leader that is going to stand behind and rally support that is going to be from the Gen Z, it is going to be very simple. What is the package?

[00:24:26]It's very simple. What is the package?

[00:24:28]You're coming to us. You want You see, and the problem with the problem with many politicians is that they forget this 5 years is a very short time, you know?

[00:24:38]Yeah.

[00:24:39]>> They forget this 5 years is a very short time.

[00:24:41]And the old guy, he fought.

[00:24:45]But the young generation is hunger for space. The government will hover patiently, waiting and ready to divide, absorb, and reshape what remains of this opposition. But the truth is, this is not an ordinary transition. It is reset.

[00:25:01]Ruto's camp has received political opening that could redefine Kenya's next decade.

[00:25:09]Whatever comes next, one truth stands firm, Kenya will not be the same again.

[00:25:17]Okay.

[00:25:19]Yes.

[00:25:19]>> So now, the direction is any leader who comes and shows you what the plan is is the one you're going to go behind. Doesn't matter their age.

[00:25:28]And the package. It doesn't At this point, it doesn't matter the age cuz let's be honest, for so long, we have had leaders, you know, and and and and and looking at some of these people, uh-huh, when I when I sit back and look at people like uh the the the the former deputy president, Rigathi is just a bitter man who is looking after revenge.

[00:25:50]The guy has no whatsoever He has no whatsoever mandate to lead us and show us Gen Z the kind of packaging we need. The country is full of resources. We have whatever we need to make Kenya go to where we need it to be.

[00:26:07]We just need a good driver with good conductors.

[00:26:12]And you cannot have conductors that do not align with the driver.

[00:26:18]Okay.

[00:26:19]You know? Okay.