The Dark Lord Has Spoken

追加: 2026-06-03

[00:00:00]Luka, we need to talk a little bit about the dark lord on his dark throne.

[00:00:05]>> Yes.

[00:00:05]>> In the land of Mordor.

[00:00:07]>> The dark lord Sauron >> where the shadows lie. Uh Tony Blair.

[00:00:12]>> Yeah.

[00:00:12]>> Tony Blair the Dark Lord for anyone who might not know ruled England from 1997.

[00:00:18]The King Blair >> and still and and did until very recently.

[00:00:21]>> Well, he still does. Sorry. From 1997 until now. No. Was it 2007 he left office? He had a he had a straight up 10 years, didn't he?

[00:00:30]>> Um, okay. So, because he's like an ex- prime minister, sort of a senior statesman, they made him they gave him the order of the garter.

[00:00:37]>> So, one of the most prestigious knighthoods you can get >> and he's now just a senior statesman.

[00:00:41]And like all ex- prime ministers every now and again will chime in and every now and again like write an article for the times or something like that.

[00:00:48]May I just say on that one point as well, the fact that he was given the nighthood, remember as well that him being offered the night when it came into the news that Tony Blair was going to be offered a nighthood. Not just a knighthead, the order of the garter.

[00:01:01]>> Sorry. And the order of the garter.

[00:01:02]Wasn't there a petition of over a million people who said absolutely not on your Nelly >> and it just all went ahead anyway and obviously was totally ignored. But it just points to how the entire honors system >> has basically just been hijacked and given to the corrupt and that they actually just hold the rest of us in contempt because so few people around Britain are thankful for what Mr. Blair did to this country and yet doesn't stop the honors being poured on him and other people like him.

[00:01:34]>> He'll probably get a period one day. Not probably. I don't know. But most prime it's it's interesting that Boris Johnson hasn't got one, I don't think.

[00:01:43]>> Um, >> not yet.

[00:01:44]>> Yeah. Well, not yet. Yeah. Usually, usually prime ministers get a periage, but the order of the garter is much much more exclusive than a puridge.

[00:01:52]>> Much much more. There's only a very hand there's very very small number of people with the garter and they're usually like friends of the royal family or members of the royal family >> or like I think once in a blue moon they'll give one to like a foreign a foreign leader as like some sort of extraordinary uh token >> just so I understand it is this the honor in which only a certain number of people can occupy it at the same time >> I think it's what like 10 or 12 people and it goes back to the black prince it goes back to the battle of >> Cy greatest king we never had.

[00:02:23]>> Uh yeah. Yeah. It goes back to Edward III. It's uh Yeah. Extreme. There's knighthoods and then there's knighthoods.

[00:02:30]>> And that is the highest one, the highest possible thing.

[00:02:33]>> Yeah.

[00:02:33]>> Um it's it's almost it's almost up there with being created an earl or a juke almost. I mean, you're only a sir. It is only a nighthood, but it's uber uber uber exclusive.

[00:02:43]>> You're already the dark lord. What the titles do you need?

[00:02:46]>> Right. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:02:47]>> Greedy.

[00:02:47]>> You missed out on being president of Europe that time, so this will have to suffice. Okay. So, um, but he does he does keep his silence reasonably well, although there is the Tony Blair Institute and he pops up all over the place and he's still active on the political scene, but he doesn't sort of chime in every day. He doesn't go on like Sunday morning uh news shows every week.

[00:03:07]>> Yeah.

[00:03:08]>> But so he's actually kept reasonably quiet since the whole >> uh Saki Stalin's uh authority has crumbled and the Andy Burnham stuff and the West Street stuff.

[00:03:20]He's he's kept almost conspicuously quiet about it, but he's broken cover now.

[00:03:24]>> Pretty quiet during the Mandlesson saga as well, wasn't he? Didn't really come out and make any statements then or >> No. No.

[00:03:31]>> Give us his two.

[00:03:32]>> He has now. He's broken cover. He's now decided to publish a whole essay, >> right?

[00:03:37]>> Like a 5,600 odd word essay about everything he thinks is wrong with the Labour Party, the country.

[00:03:44]>> Karma, Andy Burnham, West Street. He's chimed in on all of it. M >> so he's broken cover.

[00:03:50]>> He's put his head above the parapit because you know this may be the last Labor government ever. It's certainly likely to be the last Labor government for a long time. I would have thought it might be the last Labor government ever.

[00:04:01]So >> well I mean I hope so.

[00:04:04]>> He wants to chime in while it's still while he still can while it still counts in any way.

[00:04:08]>> Well, there's a Labor party to intervene for. Yeah. I mean because obviously the other thing as well is that ideally what we want to happen is when we get on the other side of the next election and we have a a restore Britain super majority and we just fix the country and everything goes great and we enter a second golden age, all that good stuff, right? Ideally, what needs to happen to Labor is the exact same thing which is now obviously happening to the Conservative party. People just need to forget about it. It's not it's not it's not it's not even hatred anymore. is you're not on my radar. I don't think about you anymore. You're you're a relic of the party. Yeah, that would be nice, wouldn't it? If both Tory and Labour Party became just uh just withered on the vine and no one talked about them, let alone considered voting for them.

[00:04:56]>> Yeah, that's what they deserve, isn't it? Of course, >> for the way they've run this country over the last century or so or the last couple of generations at least or more.

[00:05:05]Um so Tony Blair people when Star got in various people all sorts of people the chattering classes all speculated to what extent is Tony Blair the dark lord really controlling things to you know to what extent does Kama just do exactly what Blair's telling him and everyone had a different opinion I was of the opinion that not that much I'm sure Kama talks to Tony Blair sometimes but doesn't really just go to him for policy all that much and that seems to have in vindicated that seems to have been sort of it's one of the things you can take from this.

[00:05:38]>> Yeah.

[00:05:39]>> Is that Blair's not happy.

[00:05:41]>> K Stalin and the Labour Party in general are not doing what he wants like at all.

[00:05:47]It's not how he would be doing things.

[00:05:49]That's what comes through.

[00:05:50]>> Right. And though it wounds me greatly to see Sir Tony Blair so upset about the state of his party, >> of course inside I am rejoicing.

[00:06:00]Well, I mean, as much as I despise Tony Blair, and I do, I would put him on trial for crimes against the nation and the people myself. I think he I think he's actually like an evil person, >> um, I'm sure he would run Britain better than Kama has done. I'm sure of it.

[00:06:15]>> Yeah. No doubt.

[00:06:16]>> I would bet my mortgage on it.

[00:06:17]>> Yeah. Well, he's at least willing to address that there are a particular group of incendiary issues >> that are really radicalizing the British public that Kama is just not willing to address. Now, this is not me, of course, saying that Blair actually cares about these things or feels any guilt about the problems that he has caused, but for his own political expediency, >> he would at least have the the common sense to be seen to be doing something about it.

[00:06:47]>> Yeah.

[00:06:47]>> In a way that Starman just never seems to feel the need.

[00:06:50]>> Well, one of the points I wanted to say um and I'll get to it is about what he didn't say in his 5,000 word essay. But um I mean you can tell he's he's not happy. I mean so the headline the headline I suppose would be that Tony Blair is saying that Labour has no coherent plan for the country.

[00:07:09]Look at his mad eyes. You can almost see the psychosis >> on his face. Looks a bit like a Burns victim actually.

[00:07:20]Uh so um anyway um it speaks of how in the early Blair years the new labor project he got in in I think as leader of the Labour party in opposition in I think 1994 >> reworked the the constitution of the Labour party a bit to make it much much less leftwing. So the left of the party have always hated him.

[00:07:42]>> Yeah. Wasn't it Blair that um basically put through in the Constitution of Labor not that they wouldn't nationalize key industries?

[00:07:50]>> Yeah. Clause four, isn't it? Or clause seven. No, clause four, I think it is.

[00:07:54]Yeah. Yeah. Right. Yeah.

[00:07:54]>> Just concession right framing.

[00:07:56]>> So he took the Labour Party, which was truly socialist leftist and tweaked it so that it wasn't >> basically. So it was pro business.

[00:08:08]Lo and behold, he wins three elections one after the other. the only Labour leader ever to have done that etc etc. >> Okay. So the left of the Labour party someone like Starmer and Burnham and even Streeting uh always resented not to mention of course people like Corbyn >> um have always sort of hated the Blair Wright project um well well Burnham left because obviously he was in their governments but still he's he was always to the left. So, okay, now Tony Blair's coming out and saying attacking really the left of the party and you know his prescription for everything is to abandon the sort of insane progressives.

[00:08:46]>> We'll get into some of the details in a minute, but like abandon reds net zero insanity, >> all these things. Let's go back to more managerial style of government. Let's go back to policy, not politics. Let's go let's have more quangos if anything. D all the same talking points, ID cards, all the same stuff. Yeah.

[00:09:05]>> Um >> his passion projects >> because Andy Burnham said, didn't he recently a week ago or so he said about um the last 40 odd years of neoliberalism are the problem.

[00:09:15]>> Yeah.

[00:09:16]>> A big part of that, a big chunk of that is he's saying Tony Blair Tony Blair's style of politics and government was a problem is a problem.

[00:09:24]>> Locked hard locked it triple locked it into our system.

[00:09:28]>> Yeah. And what we really need is much more much much more leftism. Yeah. is Andy Burnham saying >> well even if Andy Burnham does think that and wants to do it I don't see him being a capable enough politician to do any of the things that he thinks he can achieve which is one of the reasons why um you know when people talk about the battle for Makerfield and the bi-election come up I'm not scared by the prospect of Andy Burner he'll be just as paralyzed >> by the permanent state as anyone else >> something Tony Blair said it's interesting when someone you hate comes out with a whole bunch of takes that you agree with, right?

[00:10:03]>> Yeah. Makes you feel you done it.

[00:10:06]>> Like Ze Yousef or Ben Shapiro has a take you're like, "I can't disagree with that."

[00:10:10]>> Yeah. On that if nothing else. Yeah.

[00:10:12]Just go scrub myself for a bit.

[00:10:16]>> Go sit in the shower hugging my knees, rocking backwards and forwards.

[00:10:18]>> Oh my god.

[00:10:20]>> Tony Blair had like 10 correct takes in a row. Oh my god.

[00:10:24]>> Yeah. Um so, okay. There's just been loads and loads of article over the last uh news cycle and a half 24 hours 48 hours or so. There's been loads and loads of written about it. Look, will Tony Blair's intervention change change the Labour debate? These are just a few of dozens and dozens of dozens. It's been all over the front pages and all different takes on it. All different people's takes. Some are like really pro, we need Blair Black back. Blair's brilliant. Everything Blair's saying is right on the money to people saying no, he's insane. We've tried all that. Uh be quiet, old man. all those things. Uh, look, Labour must put policy first, politics second, says Blair. See, because Blair has transcended politics.

[00:11:04]You see, >> he is the enlightened man.

[00:11:07]>> He's transcended. It's just It's just about policy. Don't worry about if that policy is mad and leads to a sectarian nightmare. Don't worry about that. It's all about policy.

[00:11:16]>> We're going to put policy first. Okay.

[00:11:18]But I hate your policy as well. So now what?

[00:11:20]>> But your policies are mad.

[00:11:21]>> Yeah. So Tony tells government to tear up net zero plans. Um, all right.

[00:11:26]>> I'm obviously for that.

[00:11:28]>> Yeah. And, uh, Burnham and Streeting both came out quite quickly. Uh, look, Blair demands welfare cuts and ends and end of unsustainable pension triple lock. He had something to say about most things, >> right? Yeah.

[00:11:40]>> Didn't have anything to say about legal migration. I'll get to that. I'll get to that. Okay.

[00:11:45]>> Like not a word, >> not one, >> not a dicky bird about >> demographic replacement. Not not a single word. Okay. And you know like West Streeting and Burnham came out and said varants on it's not 1997 old man >> right >> you know like like we're the future pipe down now you're talking about the center you're talking about a radical center please we're moving to the left bro there's nothing you can do >> most people are tired of the center >> yeah I mean Blair is talking a lot of what you said I read the whole thing >> okay >> 20 minutes 30 minutes I read the whole thing and um big chunk chunks of it you can't disagree with. If you're reasonable, yeah, you can't disagree with it. Other chunks of it, maybe a third of it or more. I'm reading it, I'm thinking, this is mad. You're mad.

[00:12:31]>> You're living in a mad world. Like, for example, just the just the example that um it's still Britain's place to try and influence the whole world in various ways. This is how we should be thinking about in the future influencing India or you know, this is how we need to move the needle in Europe even if we're not in Europe and all that all that stuff.

[00:12:51]Whenever America goes to war, we should always be 100% behind him because that's just realistic.

[00:12:55]>> Oh, so he's for he's for us getting involved in Iran.

[00:12:58]>> Of course. Yeah. Of course. Of course.

[00:13:00]Of course. Of course.

[00:13:01]>> Yeah.

[00:13:02]>> Well, Trump also wanted him, didn't he?

[00:13:03]On the border of peace in >> Israel Palestine. He's obviously he's he's in their faction.

[00:13:09]>> He's on the border peace. Yeah.

[00:13:10]>> Well, there's their faction. I mean, just on that real quick as almost as an aside, you know, he makes the argument that America is uh one of the the two or three main world superpowers. They're our closest ally, have been ever since the World World War II, >> and that it's just simply uh prudent to be their prison basically, right? And that argument isn't crazy. It's not crazy, right? It's actually it's actually um kind if you look at it dispassionately it's actually prudent and reasonable but but it's not in our interest now anymore >> particularly so all right it's not what a lot of people in the country want but that's one of the main things Tony Blair talks about is doesn't matter what people want to fight against populism if anything it doesn't matter what people want what matters is what I think is best what I Tony Blair think is best >> there just seems to throughout all of his thinking just such an unscentimental view of what constitutes a good life and and what it means to be a human being.

[00:14:16]Like he has such an instrumental instrumentalist view. It's just so cold and it's about these resources here and the power of what this thing can do for soft and it's just all it's like okay but like if all of those things improve and you get all of those advancements and everyone is still miserable. I get the feeling like he would call it a success because he's been able to fulfill his objectives.

[00:14:40]So it so what are we actually responding to here if not the concerns of ordinary people?

[00:14:47]>> Yeah. Yeah. He's obsessed with AI and ID cards and all sorts of things.

[00:14:51]>> Um Yeah. Yeah. He's not He also did an interview with Nick Robinson on the BBC as well.

[00:14:56]>> Oh yeah.

[00:14:57]>> To sort of supplement the article, the essay he wrote where he just basically said all the same talking points in >> had an audience with Yeah.

[00:15:05]>> And you know in that he's talking about how populism must be fought against you know like what the average person wants.

[00:15:14]No. No. It's his view that should be carried out. I mean, just I say there's a range of reactions to it in the Telegraph, at least this this particular article. Tony Blair created a generation of MPs who don't know how to govern. I mean, that was one of the things that I I wanted to say about this is that >> people like Kia Star and explicitly Andy Burnham, but al also people like um even West Streeting to to an extent, they're all sort of Blair's children.

[00:15:41]>> We're all Blair's children, aren't we?

[00:15:43]Um, no, but politically speaking in the party, we're all they're all uh, you know, approaches the next generation down, the next iteration, and that they're all in his shadow. Very much so.

[00:15:54]Aren't we all in Blair's shadow? You know, um, and so it's funny to me how often it plays out in history >> that you'll have some original thing, some original actor, some original mover who's extremely strong. M >> I'm thinking maybe something like Genghis Khan, >> right?

[00:16:14]>> Or Charlemagne >> or Augustus or Napoleon or something like that.

[00:16:20]>> And they're they're strong and successful.

[00:16:24]>> And then two generations, maybe three at most four generations later, you've got like a shadow of a shadow of that thing left.

[00:16:32]>> You've got like the the the the corrupted, crippled, lame, version of what once was.

[00:16:39]>> Yeah. You've gone from Athlan to Ethel Red the unready or you know just >> you gone from Genghaskan to his great grandchildren who are like uh Chinese Unix.

[00:16:50]>> Yeah.

[00:16:51]>> Or something. You got like the great grandchildren of Charlemagne who are not like Charlemagne, >> right?

[00:16:56]>> Like Charles simple or >> you got the second or third generation of the Julio Claudian dynasty.

[00:17:03]>> They're they're sort of sort of deranged perverts.

[00:17:06]>> Augustus wouldn't hardly recognize them, you know. So I feel like that's something that's going on with this with the Labour parties. What we're left with is someone like Andy Bernham which is like the scrapings of the bottom of the Blairite barrel.

[00:17:17]>> Yeah. But but it's also just our entire politics is just full of the scrapings now, isn't it? I mean you you look at Boris Johnson and Theresa May. Are these people compar comparable even to I mean say what you want about them but like to you know to to Churchill and McMillan and Eden back in the 60s you know who who saw action who fought in war who who you know had a a much more rigorous education than even these people do today. It's like all of it just a dilution of statesmanship and the quality of uh politician. You remember back when um Tucker Carlson did the interview with Putin >> and um Putin was like oh just give me let me give you like 30 seconds of backstory and he proceeded to go through like a 30 minute monologue about the history of Russia and where he saw it in you know according what he's doing today >> going back to the Kievan Roose of the 9th century or something.

[00:18:15]>> Would Kristama be able to do that? Would he be able to give like a 30inute monologue about the history of England?

[00:18:21]Like a genuine history like or or any of them. Would any of them be able to do that? You know, like when Steven Edgington asked um Liz Truss about it's like, "Yeah, are you more for a more Draelian or Gladstonian foreign policy, she had no idea." It's like everyone would have known that who wanted to be a politician at some point, you know, in the 20, but now just they know nothing.

[00:18:44]I remember David Cameron went on Letterman once whilst he was prime minister >> and Letman asked him about Magna Carta and he didn't really know anything about it for example I think right something like that he definitely went on let and letman asked him some straightforward general knowledge questions >> about like English history and politics and he didn't really didn't really do it >> yeah awkward >> but then but then people would say that >> our entire generation not just the zoomers my my generation or even the boomers are like a shadow of the men that came before them.

[00:19:14]>> But then also people have always said that you can find someone writing in like the 14th century saying when I was a boy >> that's true.

[00:19:22]>> All the old men they were proper men back then.

[00:19:24]>> Yeah.

[00:19:24]>> Or old man Nester in the Iliad.

[00:19:26]>> Yeah.

[00:19:27]>> In the Iliad. Netor says you think you young whippersnappers think you're great warriors.

[00:19:31]>> Mhm.

[00:19:31]>> Back when I was a lad. Real men were men. They were proper warriors then. So I think that's >> that's always >> it's an eternal part human character. No doubt.

[00:19:41]>> Okay. So here's the actual thing he wrote. the Labour Party is playing with fire over its future and the future of the country. I thought I'd read a bit from it, a fair bit from it if people don't mind. I mean, let him speak for himself. Um, he says, "The Labour Party is playing with fire or more accurately with its future and that of the country.

[00:19:58]I led the Labour Party for 13 years and through three general elections. It's a party largely of decent, well-meaning people. I don't believe that who went who want the best for their country.

[00:20:07]Absolutely don't believe that. Its mission is as its 1994 rewritten constitution rewritten by Blair. Uh to ensure that power, wealth, and opportunity are in the hands of the many and not the few. Bit Pinko, isn't it?

[00:20:20]And it's a perfectly noble one. No, it isn't. It's backward. Uh but I'm afraid like many progressive parties, it has an almost infinite capacity for self-d delusion. All right. He goes on, he doesn't he doesn't pull too many punches to be quite honest. Talking about the the intellectual wasteland of the Corbyn years. Yeah. Cuz again, as I said, like the real lefties in the Labour Party, like Corbyn, despise Blair and he despises them back.

[00:20:43]>> Yes.

[00:20:43]>> Like he thinks you're just wrong-headed.

[00:20:45]>> Well, they they they see him, don't they? As the man who took their party from them.

[00:20:49]>> Yeah. Right. Yeah.

[00:20:50]>> That's how they perceive him.

[00:20:52]>> Like he's a crazy evil evil capitalist wearing the skin suit of of a Labor man.

[00:20:57]>> Yeah.

[00:20:58]>> Right. Yeah. Andy Burnon was an outstanding me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me member of my government.

[00:21:02]But >> you know, you get it.

[00:21:05]>> Yeah. the Westminster bubble. The Westminster bubble isn't the problem.

[00:21:08]It's the politics bubble. Okay. Um, so anyway, one of the things he says I picked out here, he says, "The uh cumulative risk for Britain is that we've become frighteningly insular, wary of America because of President Trump, out of Europe because we think it's inconsistent with national sovereignty."

[00:21:28]It is inconsistent with national sovereignty.

[00:21:31]Considering China as an enemy state, it is an enemy state. You see why it's >> it's it's all the same crap. Uh nervous allies uh of the Gulf States because they're not democracies. Yeah. Yeah. Uh and not much interested in the developing world because they're poor and potentially liable to immigrate.

[00:21:52]Yeah. I don't want my country full of third welders. Yeah. Yeah. England, Britain isn't some sort of overflow car park for the world's human detritus.

[00:22:00]Tony, >> well, this is the thing. He talks um up in the article about the idea that, oh, well, the Labour Party has just been captured by fantasists and people who have no grip on reality, but it's like, Mr. Blair, why do you think that the demographic replacement of the British in Britain is going to produce an outcome that's desirable to you?

[00:22:19]>> He doesn't talk about that.

[00:22:20]>> Like, it just doesn't talk about any of that.

[00:22:23]>> No, no, no. Uh another thing he said he talked about uh new leaders like Trump, Maloney, uh Mili, people like that that are sort of right of center sort of people.

[00:22:36]>> And he says he talks about how um that normal normal politicians uh the the the allegory of they're going down a road. They're driving down a road and they're confronted by a brick wall.

[00:22:49]And normal politicians, good politicians as far as he can said, they'll stop and they'll think about whether to dig under it, climb over it, drive around it, whatever.

[00:22:57]>> Well, me worship it >> and it's and uh uh and that's the right thing to do and that's a process and that takes time.

[00:23:09]>> But people like even far but Trump uh Melon, they just accelerate. They see the wall and they accelerate and they bust through and for better or worse they they just bust through that wall.

[00:23:21]Okay. He said this new breed of unconventional leaders has also understood how the new media landscape operates. Social media has transformed both politics and conventional media uh which has decided not all but most of it uh that new paradigm has decided that if you can't beat them join them. The effect is political debate conducted in a climate of perpetual gale for false winds capable at any moment of turning into a tornado and confusingly constantly changing direction.

[00:23:50]Conventional politicians pay close attention to uh to what media traditional and social agitate over and this means they're blown this way and that trying to follow the prevailing wind. The paradox is that the public form part of this wind but at the same time deeply distrust it and look for leaders who stand strong in the face of it. I mean sort of describing how Kistama's government is just like bumbling stumbling along from one headline to another like >> towards the extinction of his own party.

[00:24:20]>> Yeah. He said he goes on to say uh these unconventional leaders appear to have the ballast many conventional politicians lacked. He quoted John Adams earlier where John Adams at one point has said I feel like I'm I'm paraphrasing but he said I feel I'm floating around in the wind in terms of policy and government. I'm floating around in wind. I need ballast right >> I need sort of weight. I need gravitas.

[00:24:39]I need proper policies.

[00:24:41]>> Um and that's what he's accusing the Labor the current Labour party of not having and I mean he's not wrong on that. He's not wrong. On loads of other stuff he said it's mad in my opinion but on that he's not wrong. Um if I just finish this quote he said um these new these new unconventional leaders they have attitude a tribe and a project they're prepared to raise the middle finger to the part of the media which opposes them and for protection they build a tribe a c of support which will follow them sometimes almost blindly that's why the scandals which would immediately topple a conventional politician they survive the tribe won't follow the tornado therefore uh they reduce in impact to switch analogies is uh they defang the beast and these leaders have a project. You might not like it, but they have one. It gives them it gives them strength and purpose.

[00:25:32]So again, he's saying that Kama doesn't have strength and purpose.

[00:25:37]He's not wrong, is he?

[00:25:38]>> No. Well, he he does and he doesn't because like Yeah. Okay. He doesn't have strength and purpose, but all the time that he proceeds on without that strength and purpose, it is still having one totalizing effect. And this this comes to I'd just like to pull back on one of those quotes that you read from which was where he says the effect of the political debate conducted in a climate of perpetual gale force winds capable of turning moment moment of turning into a tornado. It's like, yeah, okay, he's identified the fact that these are sort of abnormally tempestuous times, right? Right. People emotions are really, really high. But that's because >> Twitter makes you think they are, >> right? But but but as they say, this isn't 1997.

[00:26:20]We're we're not arguing about slight economic tweaks and we're not arguing about brownfield sites and a bit that we're arguing about a case of genuine existentialism >> for for the British people for for the French and France for like these are these are not normal political issues.

[00:26:38]These are political issues that um a a public that shouldn't have had to have even contemplated having staring down the barrel of this threat is now having to reckon with. And yeah, it's not surprising that they're looking to whoever and you know, whoever will just give lip service to that anxiety, which is of course why Farage was able to take them for so long and why they're now turning to restore Britain because they actually see someone more trustworthy of solving it. But that is the anxiety and there is nothing that he has to say here >> that seems to be catering to ameliorating that problem to saying all right yeah okay fine uh we're going to cut this off by saying uh 90% English no no less than that or whatever or just like you know some portion of remig none of it it's you're stuck with this >> the word demographic or remigration or anything like that just simply doesn't come up whatsoever ever. So he he he said he wanted quote a serious debate about how the country is changing. But it's not a serious debate, Tony, because you just fail to address the most serious things. So okay, there's loads there actually is loads. He rambles on a bit in my opinion, but there's loads and loads of things in this 5,000 plus word essay. He talks about all all different things from AI, global politics, loads and loads and loads of stuff, loads of policy things. And towards the end he comes up with like a nine-point program.

[00:28:05]>> Okay.

[00:28:06]>> Of what he would like to see, >> right? So point one is just about the public sector and AI, >> right?

[00:28:13]>> Mhm.

[00:28:13]>> Um he talks about deregulation.

[00:28:17]Okay. He talks about energy. Okay. He talks about private partner uh private partnerships, public private partnerships, more of those apparently.

[00:28:28]The re-industrializing of the north, right?

[00:28:32]uh welfare but not how many people are coming here but welfare the NHS right there is one bit on illegal migration which I'll read out for you and then another thing about AI basically and uh digital ID cards >> at no point does he talk about the fact that all of our cities and towns and even villages have been flooded with foreign people and that it's not safe for our women to go outside often certainly at nightm Mhm.

[00:29:01]>> That that's changed the very fabric of our society. That it's a high crime, low trust. It doesn't talk anything about the insane organized crime >> in our society. Doesn't talk about that.

[00:29:13]He doesn't talk about legal migration and we're staring down the barrel of a demographic decline and replacement and becoming a hated and marginalized minority in our own ancestral homeland and the looming nightmare of a sectarian world.

[00:29:28]>> Well, it doesn't talk about that.

[00:29:31]There's not a word about that. Oh, but you want a serious debate about how the country is changing.

[00:29:37]>> Well, what that means, isn't it, is just, oh, yes, we're very we're terribly sorry about that, but we're just going to carry on doing the things that we we already plan to do. Right.

[00:29:46]>> Sorry. No, I was just going to say as well and also um I I just I'm thinking about um recent video uh by Morgoth where he was talking about the fact that you know when you saw uh recently because we've had a bit of a sweltering week in the sun and all of the Indians and just Africans going down to like Dur on the south coast and it's like and you know Morgoth is just saying look it's they to they just got access to everything. There is nothing left that is just allowed to be ours that is like some sacred space for our people or anything like that. They just took everything and that's when you when you make people unpredictable that's when it gets dangerous.

[00:30:29]>> Yeah.

[00:30:30]>> You know.

[00:30:30]>> Yeah.

[00:30:31]>> And he if he's not going to address that truth, >> there's nothing about demographics >> here. No, not honestly. Not a single word. The only time he even addresses anything to do with immigration is this >> in his nine-point plan. Point eight is take effective i.e. whatever it takes based action to solve the illegal immigration issue. The home secretary is right in believing that solving this issue is critical and has completely changed in nature since 2007 since he left.

[00:31:01]>> Solving it is uh is preconditional to getting the British people to listen to bigger arguments about the future.

[00:31:09]We should uh we should deal by whatever means with small boats, but recognize the necessity of targeted immigration in certain sectors for e economic growth and be unashamed to advocate it. That sounds awfully a lot to me like more safe and legal routes.

[00:31:24]>> It sounds like you've just not learned anything.

[00:31:26]>> Yeah. Um so so again that's all he has to say in total about about immigration about the fact that uh we will at this rate become without remigration become a minority in our one and only ancestral homeland marginalized a marginalized one and that you're and that you've squandered our children and grandchildren's heritage that you've destroyed the country in all sorts of senses. He's not he doesn't say any so he's lying by mission. Oh, he wants a serious debate about how the country is changing. Well, he's fundamentally unserious.

[00:32:00]This fundamentally dishonest, lying by omission.

[00:32:04]>> Just not talking about that. Are you going to any town and city and it's flooded with subsaharan Africans, North Africans, East Africans, Middle Easterners, Indians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshes? You're not going to talk about any of that.

[00:32:17]>> No.

[00:32:18]>> No.

[00:32:18]>> What?

[00:32:18]>> And and the crime that co that goes with that. 190 odd 200 rapes a day.

[00:32:25]A date. You're not But you want a serious debate, do you, Tony?

[00:32:30]Cheeky bastard. It's sickening to me.

[00:32:33]It's sickens me that he sort of dare pipe up and give his prescription of how Britain needs to change for the better.

[00:32:41]And this is what And this is what we get. Talking about ID cards.

[00:32:45]>> Yeah. Yeah. Well, this is this is what I was saying on the podcast just the other day when we were talking about the fact that, you know, Reform have stacked their party with like Genrich and Braverman and all. It's like, no, no, I don't want to see you ever again. Never mind jumping parties. Like, you you had your time. Not only did you fail, you absolutely just like made our country worse by every discernable metric. And the fact that Blair says there further down as well about it's like, oh, well, we need to tackle immigration so we can start having uh discussing, you know, the bigger questions about our future.

[00:33:14]It's like we're what we're doing is having a question about whether or not we even have a future. Right.

[00:33:20]>> Right. And all of his ideas about oh well an alliance with Americans and power in the Indian Ocean and all of these sorts of things. It's like it is predicated on having a stable demography. If the people are constantly changing and the demography of your your country is constantly being shipthesis style replaced, then obviously it's going to grow different interests, different geopolitical interests, different loyalties as time goes on. And there's just no seeming admittance of this fact.

[00:33:55]>> There isn't. Not in this article.

[00:33:56]>> No.

[00:33:57]>> Again, not a peep about any of that.

[00:33:59]>> Well, I guess we'll wait for the next one, won't we? about it. It's uh >> I honestly feel like he's done enough.

[00:34:07]>> He's done enough. He he should just get in the dust bin of history now.

[00:34:11]>> Get in the back of the van.

[00:34:14]Uh just quickly say, I got a couple more legs. He just there's a the the reaction to it uh across the across the board, not just things that I've said. Of course, you got someone like Owen Jones who doesn't like it, but from the left, >> he thought Tony Blair's plan was just more war, more billionaires, less democracy. Completely disingenuous reading of what it was, but there you go. That's Jones.

[00:34:37]Hateful little creep. Um, this one, Tony Blair is the only sensible voice left in Labor. Oh, only sensible voice. Okay.

[00:34:47]Bring back Tony Blair. the golden years of Tony Blair.

[00:34:51]Bernham and Street accused Blair of ignoring inequality as they hit back.

[00:34:55]I.e. we do need just more leftism. Your sensible center thing is old hat.

[00:35:00]>> Yeah.

[00:35:00]>> And we we just need we just need to be more more socialist if anything.

[00:35:05]>> Which just means Gibbs for migrants.

[00:35:08]>> Yeah.

[00:35:08]>> Probably.

[00:35:08]>> Yeah.

[00:35:09]>> Yeah. All right.