Mycelium Madness, the health benefits of mushrooms. 05/28/2026

Added: 2026-05-30

[00:00:30]Hello all. Good to see you. Mushroom or should I say mascilium madness. Mushroom madness. What do you guys want to call it? We're going to hang out and I think Lucas is going to bring us some interesting information.

[00:00:46]Uh yeah, let's see. Did I change Py?

[00:00:49]Nope. Today's Thursday. Yesterday was normal. We announced earlier this week a special mushroom podcast with Lucas over at the CBD Gurus.

[00:01:01]Nothing special. Yeah, a lot of you folks are like trying to figure it out.

[00:01:05]It's what we've been announcing this week. That's all.

[00:01:11]And away we go. Right.

[00:01:18]The good thing about these new hearing aids is that if you drop your reading glass, sounds like a freight train roll through. Without them, you never know where, why, or when.

[00:01:29]T1, I don't know if they or not. Haven't really done much digging uh today. I mean, it's been uh pleasant. Some back and forth, some craziness. The um B saying Trump's not ready to sign the deal. Oh, there's so much back and forth going on. It's like keeping up with like whack-a-ole.

[00:01:53]So, we're going to talk about mushrooms with Lucas.

[00:01:58]He should be joining us any moment.

[00:02:00]Until then, we get to just hang out, have a little fun. Yeah, no bond updates. Uh, no fun stuff to share this evening. I have quite literally not prepared anything on that front. I mean, we could talk about like special uh illegal aliens they've been catching.

[00:02:21]Like people that are on the watch list at the border trying to sneak in covertly, like really covertly.

[00:02:28]Officials said six Chinese nationals apprehended while allegedly attempting to evade capture on a private ranch near the border.

[00:02:36]Wearing camo, all kinds of Yeah, they're It's gotten tougher. They're breaking them down and busting them when they come in.

[00:02:45]Good to see you, Lucas. I'm ready for this.

[00:02:48]>> You, too. Are you uh you talking about me at the border and camouflage?

[00:02:52]>> Yeah, we Well, you know, no, it's like um there's not a rush. They've really cleaned up the border, but in the last week or so, they found like it's like a whole another level of sophistication.

[00:03:07]They don't get to just walk across the border like camo, special armbands to identify them, to make certain the coyotes know. I mean, they're Boy, I can It's probably getting expensive to try to smuggle somebody across the border now because they keep catching them.

[00:03:20]>> Oh, exactly. I mean, well, and I'll tell you what, the guys who are winning are the ones that, you know, take the $100 or $200 or whatever. They're like, "Yeah, I'll smuggle you across the border." And they're taking all the cash from these people. And then they get all, you know, picked up. They end up back in Mexico. And that dude that just, you know, told a thousand >> just made a crazy amount of money.

[00:03:46]I mean, those guys, I mean, they have guarant I mean, honestly, they probably love the US shipping people back. It's like guaranteed work, >> right? Repeat customers.

[00:03:57]>> Yeah, exactly.

[00:04:00]You're definitely not happy the second time. That may be the problem.

[00:04:06]>> I wonder at what point you get a money back guarantee. I think you have to go through. Yeah, maybe the 10th time. Hey, you like you purchase nine trips, you get your 10th for free kind of thing.

[00:04:19]>> That's what I would do.

[00:04:21]>> Yeah, absolutely. I shouldn't be laughing, but that is funny.

[00:04:25]It's just it's just it's frustrating, I think, because I feel like there should be an easier way to do the process legally and to go through the process legally. And I just don't think I think it's there, but I feel like there's too many restrictions uh on their end or or there maybe just the education just isn't there.

[00:04:47]Honestly, Mark, >> that's part of it. That is definitely part of it. But, you know, both parties have said they were going to clean it up and change it. Both parties fed the House, the Senate, and the White House.

[00:04:57]Both parties have yet to change it. So, it's left a president using executive order to force uh things because legislative branch is well useless.

[00:05:11]>> I would tend to agree with you on that.

[00:05:13]It's sad that we've gotten to this point, but it is what it is, you know? I mean, we got to deal with it. And um and to deal with it, I just uh you know, most >> mushrooms >> eat mushrooms and THC and CBD. But most >> Yep. And >> I even have uh I even have my mushroom tea um that I'm drinking right now that I made, you know, for myself. So, I take the uh my tea bag and uh >> um I cut it open and then I seal it back up. uh after I put my you know whatever mushroom capsule.

[00:05:50]>> Yeah.

[00:05:52]>> Nice. Yeah. I'm kind of curious. Um just like any kind of tea I I I do think your thought of possibly carrying a mushroom tea or mushroom tea bags is a great idea.

[00:06:02]>> It is. It is. Um I I at least for me like personally and and you know the other piece of it was like well like the instant coffee. So, the instant coffee is something that I'm going to start doing as well. Um, I I actually have a really good friend that does uh instant coffee, not through chemicals, but actually through uh brewing the coffee and then freeze drying it.

[00:06:29]>> Yeah, that's the uh that's the only uh good way to do it in my opinion.

[00:06:33]>> I I would agree with you too. Uh it's uh well and that's why no one liked really the instant coffee. And the crazy part is Mark, his coffee, I can't tell the difference if I brew it or do it. And you mix up the cups. I could not tell you the difference which one I brewed and which is the instant.

[00:06:50]>> Really >> could not tell you.

[00:06:54]>> All right, that's pretty impressive. All right, what do we want to do? Do you have a direction we want to go on the mushrooms?

[00:06:59]>> You know what? We're just now getting back into it and I'm sure there's a lot of people on the show that are uh you you know first time you know first timers right here and so what I thought maybe is how much time we got 20 minutes half hour.

[00:07:15]>> Whatever you want to take big guy I'm I'm pretty open. After this I'm going to pack for uh my family trip >> and leave because Oh, see we don't leave till the evening. tomorrow uh like tomorrow evening. Uh we thought we were going to leave actually tonight and um you know it just it just kind of got a little hairy on a few things. So at any rate um yeah we're leaving tomorrow night so I'm a little chaotic. Today has been a little nuts for me. Um but yeah, so what I thought about doing was, hey, we're just going to go through um the basic understanding of not only what they what the mushrooms are, but you know, the four main mushrooms and just kind of break down each one individually. So people are like they don't understand and especially all these terms, right?

[00:08:06]So you have you have adaptogen. A lot of people are like, "Okay, mushrooms are adaptogens."

[00:08:15]Not actually necessarily. So technically adaptogen when you hear that phrase and people use it with mushrooms adaptogen is actually any natural substance that helps the body resist like physical chemical biological stressors um and to return that body that you know your organism to balance which is what's that uh what is that homeostasis right so returning to that to that 0 point sum And so when people say that all adaptogen or all mushrooms are adaptogens, not necessarily correct. So there are adaptogen mushrooms that are strictly through that definition and those two are reishi and cortiseps. So those are the strongest um adaptogens or at least the candidates for um for to be called adaptogens.

[00:09:12]Lion's Man and Turkey Tail, they're more in the functional mushroom category as opposed to the adaptogen category. Um, but all four are used kind of in the same wellness category. But I just want to so when people hear that you you get a lot of misinformation out there from people who are like, "Oh yeah, all all mushrooms are adaptogens." It's like, well, no, not really. And it's all about their function, what they do, and what they do inside your body that really kind of classify them in in where they should go. So, a lot of people like to just lump sum them, throw them into the same bucket, and that's not necessarily the case. Um, but you What were you to say?

[00:09:55]>> I was just going to say, you know, but my experience, Cortiseps is probably the one that is the least understood by the average person.

[00:10:02]>> I would agree. Um, and I think it's because the category of cortiseps is in energy and performance. And so with that, a lot of that which is subjective.

[00:10:18]And so, you know, your energy and performance is very subjective from person to person. You know, your performance and my performance are very two totally different things. And your energy and my energy are very different.

[00:10:31]So uh and how it and how it affects people. Um I think it's the hard the most difficult understood mark because it's the hardest to what's the word uh to quantify um the actual results.

[00:10:48]>> It that makes sense because a lot of people well this is the feeling it gives me. this is how I feel when I take it within a few minutes depending on is it a water extract alcohol extract you're eating the um the dehydrated or the freeze-dried. So how quickly it hits and some of that effect is a little different but it is very subjective. U most people that do a combination lines man and cortisep will tell you it is like one it's like nature created the best ADHD medicine on the planet and gave it to them. Yeah, >> but that's that really is I mean, how do you explain that to somebody that maybe never had attention issues or whatever?

[00:11:28]It's just there's a crispness. It's a clearness. It's I don't know how to describe that feeling to somebody that's never taken it.

[00:11:36]>> Well, and I don't it's it's not only the description and being able to describe it, but also really on for a scientist or someone like me looking at it. I want to see objective reasoning sets and bullet points that I can measure against other bullet points.

[00:11:54]>> Yeah. I like blood tests and baselines and things like that. Real fond of them.

[00:11:59]>> So when you tell me, "Oh, it made you feel like this." It kind of goes in one ear and out the other for me. Like most people though, you know, it doesn't.

[00:12:07]They like that. So I have to be kind of perceptive to that. And there is some sort of you know uh mental uh thing that kind of wraps around that that is necessary. But for me it's hard because I want to see the data points. That's all I want to see because if if you can prove data points you can prove that it works across a large amount of people.

[00:12:30]Right. Right. Rather than just well it worked for this person but it didn't work for this one. So, but yeah. So, let's uh so, so the other piece of this is that um they all kind of share all the mushrooms kind of share the same compound family, which is the betalucans, which that is just a fancy word for uh well, and this is another f, you know, the polysaccharides. So, which is uh good fats. Uh it's in olive oil, it's in I mean, there's just a lot. It's just a long chain um that just helps your immune cells, your uh I guess not only your immune cells, but also like with lion's mane, it really does a lot for um just integrating into your pathways uh for your your signaling cells, right? Your signaling pathways in your brain, um in your spinal cord, throughout your body, uh your synapsis gaps in your brain. Um there there's just what it does is it really kind of interacts with that which we don't see a lot of other plants that do like mushrooms and that's why mushrooms have just become so huge. It still blows my mind, Mark, that the United States are I mean, we're thousands of years behind all these other countries that have been utilizing it for so many years and then all of a sudden US is like, "Oh yeah, hey, we just found these mushrooms like you guys should start taking them." And it's like it's this new cool thing. It's like no guys, I mean, yes, it's cool, but it is not new. It has been around forever. And for those joining late, Lucas and I used to do this regularly.

[00:14:10]Uh my psyllium thing once a week, once every other week or so, and busy schedules got us derailed. So, it's something new we want to start bringing back regularly as we talk about the health benefits of mushrooms. And we try to dive into the science. It's it's awesome series we're doing.

[00:14:30]>> Yeah. And so we're just kind of going through a broad overview for this show and give kind of kind of that understanding um where we're going to be going over this next, you know, maybe uh six to eight week session and kind of breaking down each one of these even more in depth. Um and kind of explaining this a little bit more so that when you do take it, you do understand not only how to pair it with other things you're you're taking, but also what to expect when you do take it. So the the four that we are going to go through with again the lion's mane, cortiseps, turkey tail, reishi, lion's mane first is just just know it as the brain mushroom like >> brain and nerve >> brain and nerve huge cortiseps, energy and performance. And I've kind of just labeled these kind of over my overview of all the research, but yeah, I mean energy and performance cortiseps. Um it cortiseps is crazy though. Like again there's not much not a ton of like hard research out there. Um but the the benefits that people get from corusps is just unbelievable.

[00:15:37]>> I mean 5,000 years ago the Chinese have been using this one in medicine. I mean this is one that even the ancient Indians and arurvedic medicine were using. I mean, this these things 3,000 years, 5,000 years, and many of the studies when Lucas was covering things before in our series, um, a lot of Asian studies on this one, very few American studies, >> very few. I would agree with you. Uh, Japanese is is a good portion of them.

[00:16:07]uh like you said uh and honestly even the Cortiseps when I told Matt um that I was going to put you know a large amount you know 500 milligrams of Cortiseps into the energy gummies.

[00:16:23]He's like what? Why? And I'm like, "No, I'm telling you, the the research out there on the energy and the increase of ATP and everything that goes into Cortiseps, it is not something everyone wants this quick hard, oh, you know, slap me with, you know, 150, 200 milligrams of caffeine and just get buzzed out of their minds." And it's like, oh my gosh, like no, you you you are repressing your body's ability to create its own energy. And so by taking cortiseps, we actually see that it can substantially increase your body's natural ability to make energy, which is exactly what we should want.

[00:17:05]>> I'm not saying it's what we want, it's what we should want.

[00:17:09]>> Yeah. It's not an artificial high.

[00:17:12]>> Exactly.

[00:17:13]>> So then we get to turkey tail, which is you can think of it as the immune uh your immunity and your gut mushroom.

[00:17:22]I've always thought I've always looked at that one as because what it does to your tea cell count is through the roof.

[00:17:27]I mean, from just plain immunity, it's phenomenal, especially against bacterial stuff, but most people don't know it is one of the greatest um call it a shotgun approach, uh like a general propolct for cancer. I mean, the research on that one and its benefits and effects, um, mitigating the effects of chemo, uh, actually increasing your immune system, fighting it, it's if I'm not targeting a certain kind, I'm uncertain or I just want to know, that's my go-to.

[00:18:00]>> And, and I would say probably, you know, even though I had this reishi really labeled as, you know, kind of the stress and the sleep mushroom, reishi is also in that category, too, boosting the immunity.

[00:18:11]>> No, it is >> as we see. And and I don't think people pair the two. Our bodies fight off cancer in our bodies on a daily basis.

[00:18:20]Alla So when cancer happens, >> the cells in your body are just constantly reproducing. They're splitting, they're splitting off, and it it a lot of times happens when you damage something. So if you have a lot of inflammation in your body, you do something, you're you know, your body's repairing. as it repairs it, the cells split away and what happens is one of the cells just doesn't form, right? And you have these cancerous cells. It's not a big deal. It's part of the body's process. But if you're with your immune system that your macrofasages can come and find them, they eat them up. They destroy them. Your tea helpper cells come identify them. And you know, it's the beautiful I mean, absolutely beautiful aspect of our bodies being able to deal with that. Um, so being able like with with turkey tail, like Mark said, and being able to increase your tea helper cells and really boost your immunity up, you're you're allowing your body to fight off things before it gets out of control.

[00:19:27]>> And I think that really is the key. It's helping your body do what it already wants to do. It's not trying to reprogram. It's giving it the tools it needs. Um, that's as nature intended.

[00:19:40]>> As nature intended. Bing.

[00:19:42]>> Even if you look at like um when they have found like ancient ice age men when they found the like uh in the glaciers um old medicine pouches and caves almost every time it'll have natural herbs and mushrooms.

[00:19:58]>> It will. Now, I will tell you that we have recently, well, and I shouldn't say recently, but a lot of the research has came out recently that that if you take the actual mushroom and you grind it up, you do get a lot of the benefits. Don't get me wrong.

[00:20:14]>> Oh, a lot. But in hot water extraction, the bioavailability, the the ability for whenever we use the word bioavailability, it's your body's ability to uptake it, to be able to utilize it in your system before it passes, you know, through you. And so, >> yeah, >> I was just going to point out heat's important, but too much heat's a bad thing. So, like in your tea, fantastic.

[00:20:40]If you're like superheating, no bueno.

[00:20:42]It's kind of like uh melted butter on your corn's great. Superheated butter is instant cholesterol on your veins, not the good kind.

[00:20:51]>> Yes. Yeah. And and and and it's not even the utilization of the mushroom, but it's also, you know, the extraction piece of it as well.

[00:21:00]>> So, you want to be able to extract out this stuff.

[00:21:03]>> Um >> and yeah, and so it's just it's a lot of these kind of play in together.

[00:21:10]um you know okay so we have the reishi or the turkey tail and then the reishi you know as we talked about kind of the same as the immunity aspect but it's reishi's also been really well studied for stress and and sleep so you can kind of see reishi as that oh hey Mark also one thing that I'm this is a little side note I wanted to push in there um besides oh is that kla oh yeah hey kla um on the 20% off your guys' ers >> um if you wanted to go that route. But uh one thing I did want to kind of say is I am putting together after this week this uh you know this course I can't believe course >> um I'm actually going to put together a lot of these notes Mark and I'm going to be putting them I already have you know maybe 18 20 pages or so >> and I'm going to put it into a PDF file on the website.

[00:22:11]>> Perfect.

[00:22:12]>> So that you guys can print it out.

[00:22:16]>> I'm not I'm not I'm not going to charge anything for it. Nothing. Like I'm just going to put it out there and it will have even the research studies that you'll be able to click on and be able to go and see all this for yourself. So, I have I have been spending hundreds of hours putting all this together so that and just I'll just throw it on the website so you guys can have some free information um on how to utilize this.

[00:22:43]>> Fantastic.

[00:22:45]>> Um so what was that Mark? I wanted I do want to try to answer questions along the way as well.

[00:22:51]>> I take daily one mushroom gummy, two lion's mane, two turkey tails. Is that too much?

[00:22:58]>> Nope. Not at all.

[00:22:59]>> Yeah. No, that's that that that that that's a great place to start.

[00:23:03]>> The the only one that I would the mushroom gummies, I might actually switch that around. I might do two of the Matrix mushroom gummies and one lion's mane because that has >> the Matrix has some >> Well, no, the Lion's Mane has CBG >> and so you may not, you know, you may have, you know, it does give people energy. Um, so it may be too much. Uh, one or two is okay, but if you if you do want to maybe look at switching those, uh, like that's that's what I would do personally.

[00:23:38]>> Um, but again guys, you know, always consult with your, uh, with your doctor before >> anytime you have a question.

[00:23:46]>> So, um, okay. So, some some talking points that I kind of want to go over with you guys before we break into this is like going back to adaptogens. So adaptogens don't push our body in, you know, one direction or another. They just help you adapt. So if you're if you're really wired, they can help you calm down. If you're tired, they give you energy. Um, think of them less like a stimulant or a sedative and more like a thermostat that helps you kind of find that baseline, right? And and so that's where you know we see with reishi like say for you sleeping if you're really wired rishi will also help kind of bring you back down to that baseline where your body can create its natural melatonin to be able to fall asleep which I feel like is is super important.

[00:24:39]I like I I don't like this world that we live in where it's like I'm tired. I'm going to smash caffeine. Oh, I'm wired.

[00:24:48]I just need to, you know, smash like melatonin or something.

[00:24:53]>> And it's like just well, and for sometimes I understand it's it's you have, you know, to be able to function in our day and age. I get it. But you don't want it to be long. Like you want to create this natural baseline to where you can just live, right? You want your body to do it naturally. Um, like last night I I was working way too late and I missed my window and people like, "What are you talking about?" Your body has a natural melatonin window that helps you fall asleep. And if you fall asleep, if you try to go to sleep outside of that window, like if you stay up too late, you're like, "Why can't I fall asleep? I'm so tired." It's because you wi you missed your window. Every person's window is different. Sadly, Mark, my window is like uh uh 9:15 to 10:15.

[00:25:43]>> Oh, wow.

[00:25:44]>> I know. So, uh >> it doesn't work for a family man and a businessman.

[00:25:49]>> Well, it works for a family man. So, what I do is what what I have found is that I'm actually better when I go to bed around 9:15, 9:30 and then I just get up at, you know, 4:00 a.m. 4:30 and then I get a lot of the work done. and I have a couple hours before the kids even wake up to get some work done. The problem is is when I have to work until midnight and still get up at 4:00 a.m.

[00:26:14]>> That's where it starts crushing me.

[00:26:16]>> Um but uh >> but yeah. Okay. So, let's uh let's let's kind of knock these out. And number one, let's start with lion's mane. All right.

[00:26:30]So it is the only known natural compound to sh to uh compound shown to stimulate nerve growth factor.

[00:26:40]>> You can actually track it. The nerve growth factor and the milein sheath.

[00:26:44]This is huge guys.

[00:26:46]>> The protein your brain uses Mark to grow, repair and protect neurons. I mean it's it's so huge. And like you said the milein sheath um which we see uh what is what is that mark where they have where people have problem where the milein sheath or your body actually starts attacking the milein sheath and eating it >> is that MS or is that one >> yes you're right MS I believe it is I believe it is and so I know that there's a lot of ongoing research and studies in that in that area um for the benefits of of not only regrowing it but also to protect you protecting it. But with lion's mane, you know, we we normally think of like memory, focus, mental clarity, mood support. Um, but like all of these things, it's it's really it's like a clean neutropic. So, I try to want to talk about it. I I don't I I I know Mark, if it were just you and me and there maybe we should act like there's no one else listening to us. Um because I could just nerd out with you a little bit on uh some of the details of this >> of you know kind of this protein and how it affects your brain. But uh so we're not going to go hardcore that way. But think of it as like just a clean neutropic. It really especially after COVID mark so many people had brain fog and so many problems in that you know that area and lion's mane was really the only thing that really helped him out.

[00:28:22]What is so frustrating is that a lot of these even my own doctor at the time was like yeah you're just going to have to deal with it. I'm like what are you talking about? I'm going to have to deal with it. And that's when I was like, "No, I'm just gonna start doing lion's mane." And like, you know, I think it took a lot of this stuff. It's not, you know, it's not like it's medicine, guys.

[00:28:42]This is natural >> food.

[00:28:43]>> It takes a little bit longer. Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food. And, you know, over uh, you know, a few weeks, I mean, it cleared up so well. And it has, I mean, I feel mentally better than I did 10, 15 years ago. And that's probably one of the big reasons people with neuropathy say that um lines man has helped them so much because it's going after the root cause that um what's the word I'm looking for here?

[00:29:15]The atrophy of the nerves that's helping to feed them.

[00:29:21]>> Yeah.

[00:29:22]>> Root root problems. Well, and I think that's so I think that all of this like a lot of people want to section this off and silo a lot of these problems and a lot of these solutions um you know that Lions man can help with. But I think it all works together.

[00:29:37]So like when you have better focus, when you have better mental clarity, your mood is naturally going to increase, right? Like you're not frustrated. And and so that's another aspect of lion's mane that people overlook is the the emerging evidence for reduced anxiety and depressive symptoms. I mean we and you know when we deep dive into lion's mane over the coming weeks along with some even new mushrooms that we're going to bring up as well.

[00:30:06]>> Oo nice.

[00:30:07]>> Oh yeah. Oh yeah. But I mean when when we go into it, we see all these studies where they do uh their conclusions is that they work as good if not better than anti-depressants with zero side effects. And so um for those that are new following, >> Lucas had shared some peer-reviewed some studies out of Japan that were amazing on that front. And it was depression, anxiety. It it covered a lot of what people call like a mental disorder, which nutritional. Wonder how much of that is just nutrition from those studies. And you you've covered them and I'm looking forward to that over the next couple weeks. D diving back into those.

[00:30:51]>> Yeah. Yeah. And I think uh it'll be good to kind of look back at through those and and maybe this time we'll focus a little bit more on dosing, you know, on the actual dosing that, you know, that these studies utilized and um you know, because some of these studies I I wish there was more research done and and they are pushing forward pretty heavily, but like even on nerve repair um you know even we talked about like the myelin sheath um you know we do see And there have been peripheral nerve recovery, but it's mostly animal studies at this point. So, they haven't really done a lot with humans at this, you know, at least in that regard. Um, or I haven't seen it yet. So, that's one thing that I will be still looking for, um, you know, kind of coming up. But uh yeah, I mean there's there was uh so just to rattle off a few that we're going to be going through a study in ' 08, 09, 2010, 2019, 20, you know, anything from the 2009 one was kind of the landmark cognition study on mushrooms. Um there's an NGF uh mechanism paper that which is kind okay. Um, >> that's a nerve growth factor, folks.

[00:32:12]>> There you go. Yes. So, uh, sorry. Thank you, Mark, for correcting me and and slowing me down. My brain needs it from time to time.

[00:32:20]>> And I'm That's the problem.

[00:32:23]>> Yeah. Right. Of you and I having a talk because we're both geeks on this subject. We both love it. We've embraced it.

[00:32:29]>> Yep. And so, like that was08.

[00:32:32]Um, there there's even uh in 2010 they did a mood and menopausal symptoms. In 19 they had a cognitive function in healthy adults um you know 50 to 80 over 12-week period of time where the supplement group showed improvement on like mental state examinations and uh you know diagnostic tests over the placeos uh supporting like crazy high cognitive benefits in adults with prior impairment. not even like already healthy adults, but those that did have impairments. Um, so it's just kind of crazy. But yeah, we'll go through those.

[00:33:13]Uh, mostly the effective range for uh like the anxiety and the the sleep um was normally one to three grams a day.

[00:33:24]And I think we're going to see this throughout. Um, but that's kind of so 1 to 3,000 milligrams a day. I kind of kind of stay near that 1,000, you know, roughly that region. One to 1,00 to,500. But that's just me personally. Um, and I do a lot of blood work. So for you those who want to do it, this is why it's so important to, you know, have a doctor who is willing to work with you. mine is just an awesome naturalist doctor um who 100% believes in a naturalistic approach um to taking mushrooms. So um it's kind of cool if you can if you can find that.

[00:34:05]>> Absolutely. It's huge.

[00:34:07]>> So and then you know then we get to cortiseps. So cortiseps the the sneaky one. Um but uh it's it's really for your engine. It's really to help your Okay.

[00:34:19]So in your body you have mitochondria in each one of your cells. These mitochondria are what create the energy that burns calories in your body. And they create ATP.

[00:34:35]ATP is the energy that your body uses to even lift your arm to walk to to breathe everything. Without ATP you could not function. And so the improvement um is support like cortiseps really has shown to support the body's ability to use oxygen and to produce this energy the ATP at a cellular level. Um and so this is why guys elite endurance athletes have used it for decades.

[00:35:09]And one of the things people don't know about corticps because they think of it performance energy.

[00:35:15]It is shown in a lot of studies to have some fantastic effects and benefits for your kidneys >> really.

[00:35:24]>> Which that one surprised me because I'm sitting here thinking, okay, it's good for this, it's good for that. And then I'm sitting there reading some studies and diving into cortiseps and bam, there's research on heart and kidney and the benefits of cortisep and which makes sense because ADP what needs a lot of energy?

[00:35:45]Your heart needs a ton of energy. So, that kind of makes sense. I'm like, "Okay, wait a minute. All right, that makes sense."

[00:35:52]>> Well, I don't know about yours, but mine doesn't surprise me.

[00:35:57]>> Do what?

[00:35:58]>> I was just saying I like, you know, I don't know about yours, but mine doesn't stop or I I hope it doesn't stop. the same.

[00:36:06]>> But yeah, and but that's the biggest thing with the heart mark like you were saying is that it improves the oxygen utilization. So it's able to help get more oxygen into the blood so that it can transfer to more at you know more parts of your body. It supports your mitochondrial function to get more ATP energy um you know for endurance and recovery. This is why athletes have used it um because it really helps. Here's the thing. If you're going to increase your body's ability um your mitochondrial function to produce clean cellular ATP energy, it's going to increase your body's ability to recover faster. So if you have muscle repair, if you have things that are tore down, you're going to be able to repair it faster under that, especially with increased oxygen um utilization in your blood.

[00:37:03]Um so now there is things that you know this is where Mark there's still their studies are still super new because they're still trying to study it um for like libido vi you know vitality. Yeah, I didn't even want to mention that Chinese have been using Cortiseps for verility for thousands of years.

[00:37:24]>> Oh, it's 100%. I mean, granted, is there and this is more of the well, I feel this when I'm on it. It's like, well, they I and I don't think that it's it's, you know, just poppycos, if you will.

[00:37:38]But I I do think that we just don't have an idea of how to test correctly for those markers.

[00:37:48]I really think it's more in the testing, not so much in the validity of what is actually happening.

[00:37:55]That's my opinion. I just don't think our our science is up there enough to be able to to be able to test for it. My opinion.

[00:38:03]>> Yeah, I'll agree. And I don't think we give enough credit to just overall wellness for things like oh it seems to help this. It helps your overall wellness. So of course that helps that helps it all that like talking about cortiseps helps get more oxygen and energy to each individual cell of the body. That that's huge.

[00:38:22]>> It is. It is. And I mean so like in 2010 that we saw a uh a journal and a study came out um not a a large amount but healthy older adults like 50 to 75 um taking it you know and they were taking it three times a day or so and I mean they showed an a massive increase in metabolic threshold um you know especially for that age group. I mean, it's easy to be like, well, we're going to study 25 to 45 year old men, you know, who are super active, 8% body fat. Um, but to take 50 to 75 year old, um, you know, 50 that that group and be like, "All right, guys, let's giddy up."

[00:39:12]um you know and but then there's also seven years later you know they did a um they took uh college days aids adults and they they did like um uh cortiseps one to three weeks and they showed uh significantly higher oxygen uptake and uh recovery time rather than the placebo group. So that's where they got a lot of this like the V2 max um being able to show like this massive oxygen uptake which I think is huge because that's one thing in our culture we see especially with even with COVID and all this where our oxygen ability to uptake it just started going down in a lot of adults and so it's like okay so how do we what what is out there naturally even you know that can really increase that oxygen uptake short of an oxygen generator, short of drinking the oxygenated drinks or the nitrogen water. I mean, this is something that helps your body do it naturally.

[00:40:17]>> Well, and that's the thing. Yeah. I I want my body our bodies have the capability to do it and we have degraded ourselves by the foods that we've been eating uh the culture that we live in our screens our you know all of this kind of plays into it and our bodies are just getting worn down faster so how can we rejuvenate it and I think that we have you know God's given us an answer you know through a lot of the natural um you know naturalistic paths around us.

[00:40:48]We just have to we just have to figure it out. Um, so the the next one is uh turkey tail. You know, it's probably the most clinically turkey tail is probably the most clinically studied medicinal mushroom on earth primarily because of its uh PSK and PSP which are those two compounds and are approved um in cancer therapies in Japan and China.

[00:41:18]Yeah. And when he says proved, there are a ton of studies. You don't have to take our word for it. You can take the science. So that's and it's not approved in the US. But I mean, which is fine. I mean, you know, but you know, they are approved as adjunct, you know, therapies in Japan and China. So now there are more and more oncologists and cancer doctors here in the states that are saying look you know we can't treat you with just that but we suggest you take some in conjunction with your >> um regular um protocols.

[00:41:54]>> Correct. I I would agree with you and we are starting to see that which is good because we're also you know we also see these studies that are emerging that are showing that um with taking it with you know the regular protocol that is being out there for this it actually it actually helps.

[00:42:13]>> Yeah. Greatly increases the effectiveness of the protocols they were already using.

[00:42:17]>> It does. It does. And so and because it supports the activity of ENK cells um T-H helpper cells and macrofasages so you know macrofasages are you know people don't think of the macrofasages as being so important because they just go up and clean up all the dead cells.

[00:42:35]The problem is is if you don't clean up those dead cells you can create a lot of toxicity in your body and create more problems down the road. So the macrofasages are extremely important.

[00:42:47]Um, you know, they're your garbage.

[00:42:49]>> Clean out the sewer.

[00:42:51]>> Well, I know, but no one likes, you know, no one really thinks about the guys in the sewer pipes cleaning stuff out. It's like, no, those guys are more important than you can imagine.

[00:43:00]>> Yeah.

[00:43:00]>> Um, >> you don't want to do their job.

[00:43:03]>> No. Exactly. And so, you know, with turkey tail, the other thing is people with immunity, you know, people have been now saying it forever, like your gut is so important for your overall immunity and your health. like if you don't have a healthy gut, it's pro you probably don't have a great immune system. And so they're very very tied together. And so, you know, turkey tail acts as a preb prebiotic um for super, you know, for your healthy beneficial bacteria. Um you know, it's rich in phenolic compounds. So, it really helps with the antioxidants.

[00:43:41]Um it's just turkey tail again being the most researched or clinically researched globally is just an amazing amazing product. Um so when we talk about it like hey like PSK PSP like the two main compounds in turkey tail it's just a polysaccharide K um and then a polysaccharide peptide. So those are the two um that are found in turkey tail that really really make it famous. Um both are extracted. They're standardized.

[00:44:18]Um now granted kind of with all of these how you extract it is just as important.

[00:44:23]A lot of people like well do you get it from the flower or you know or you get the fruiting body.

[00:44:29]>> Yeah. And it's like, well, both are important, but what's more important is how it's extracted.

[00:44:38]Um, because you can get all the fruitruing body >> and if you don't extract it correctly, you're only going to absorb, you know, say 3 to 9% of it >> and whereas if you, you know, the extraction process can up it to 80 or 90% absorption rate. So the the extraction process I would even argue that is more important than where you get it from even though the fruiting bodies are important. Um I think you need both aspects of the story and we we typically only hear one right where people are like oh well you don't get up front. It's like no guys like it it's not whether you feel it's good or whether I feel it's good. Um we know the compounds and we know what the levels are of the compounds. Um so with turkey tail um in 200 I mean a lot in 2012 uh recovery from chemo the metaanalysis of the PSK in col uh ah wow that word colctal cancer it's been a long day it's almost 8 o'clock um but uh so I mean we will look at a study in o you know 2014 with the gut microbiome um we see uh just a lot in uh just the immunity and how it increases your tea helpper cells and then you know PSK uh in the uh in gastric cancer as well. Um so it was used in conjunction with chemotherapy which is kind of cool because it shows that they work really really well together because it increases your immune response with your tea helpper cells. it helps um the chemotherapy really go through and really just help get it out of your body. So, it's pretty really, you know, it's pretty cool to see. Um, and that one that actual one in 2012 was actually published in Surgery Today, which is kind of which I thought was kind of interesting as well because a lot of these aren't published. They are published, but they're not published in these, you know, higherend, you know, hoidy toy magazines. And I hate saying that, but I feel like a lot of oncology is a lot of money grabb.

[00:46:52]>> It is. And >> or seems to be.

[00:46:54]>> It seems to be and maybe it's not correct. May maybe my view on that is is ill advised, but uh but anyway, so we we'll kind of look at that and and how it affects your gut and really your immune markers and how they and how they at least for these case studies shifted, you know, over four to eight weeks. Um, which in my, you know, seeing this is is pretty cool because it's not as long as you may think it takes.

[00:47:23]>> And that is something like, uh, when you go back to some of the other tests um, or or some of the other studies, I mean, four to eight weeks for substantial recordable differences. It's not a medicine, it's a food, and that's that to me is impressive.

[00:47:42]>> Yes. Yep. I would agree. Um, I just I I just love these things, Mark.

[00:47:48]I mean, I've I have just dove down deep with this stuff and I just love it. Um, and then and then our last one that we're really going to kind of co uh cover and kind of go over uh more in depth is the reishi. You know, it's been called the mushroom of immortality in Chinese medicine for over 2,000 years.

[00:48:06]uh you know today it's one of the most reliable you know natural tools for downregulating stress improving sleep supporting deep immune uh balance kind of creating that homeost stasis like in your body for your immune response um you know it's I mean those three I would say those those three things um with stress sleep and immune modulation Now, I'll tell you what, Mark. One thing I did not look after, and I pulled this up after the fact, and I haven't had time to go through it because I pulled up uh two more studies that I've never seen before on Rishi, and I'm going through it right now, and I still haven't had time to go through it. But one of them is liver and metabolic support promising that on the lipid and blood sugar markers.

[00:49:06]>> Yeah, >> that's kind of cool.

[00:49:08]>> No, it it is. Some of the things that have surprised me with reishi have been of course uh the the effects for men prostate a lot of great research uh on that one. But it's been the cognitive enhancement. I had read a study because I was expecting that from lion's mane cortiseps but I was really surprised by some of the studies they had done um in Asia on the advant well I should have say the benefits for cognitive function with reishi that one surprised me >> because it's not one I think of when I think of that >> you don't but the I think what they're finding though is that with the with the beta glucans glucos that they uh that reishi with that immune modulation and a lot of people don't think of the immune response but that in and of itself think about it if if your cells cannot go if there if you have a lot of inflammation in your body your your synapsis gaps everything is not going to be able to communicate effectively right and so by lowering your inflammation uh with the with the bagglucans with with getting your inflammation under control, we can start seeing that what you're not going to have as much stress.

[00:50:31]Your body's going to be able to um really process the you know the cortisone and and and manage those things a lot better. So this is why I say like it all kind of plays in like we have a mentality in the US right now well and we've had for a while where we have a medicine like oh I need this fixed and then I take a medicine and that medicine does that one thing >> silver bullet approach. It it is. And the problem is is that all our our bodies work in this ecosystem so well together that if you have one thing off, you have like a million other things that are off. And it's like, well, I want all these things. So, do I need to take 30 different medicines? No. We just really need to find the root cause of why we're inflamed. Whether it be in our stomach, whether it be through our body, our mind, everything. Find out what it is. is get rid of that inflammation and a lot of times everything else goes by the wayside as well.

[00:51:38]>> We think about like we talk about, oh man, if our food was just better. That would help if our soil was better than more nutrients in our food. That would be a huge help. But we also don't eat the variety in our diet that we used to eat. Um we eat more crazy things, but we don't eat a good balance of mushroom forge things. wild things in a combination with what we grow ourselves.

[00:52:04]Um, so much more to look at in this one.

[00:52:07]>> Well, think of it this too. And I I thought it was uh and and I might I don't know how I remember this uh accurately or not, Mark, but there was some like from even 200 years ago even the amount of vitamins and minerals in meat from cattle.

[00:52:26]>> Oh, massive difference. decreased almost 80 or it's like 70 I I got to look at the number again but it was like like crazy numbers like three4 of the nutrients are no longer in meat and I'm like what so we used to be able to get a lot more vitamins and minerals a lot more things into our bodies that we just it's like we're just eating plain calories it destroy it >> when my kids want to eat all this stuff out and it's everywhere. I'm like, guys, it is useless garbage that you are putting in your body. Stop. And it's like we just we've we we're growing up in this culture that is just totally okay with the empty calories. And it's it's horrible for our bodies. It's horrible for our minds. It's just I don't know. It's it's kind of sad to see. Um, but I think we're going to start a revolution in that area, a health revolution, we're going to get better, we're going to teach people, and I think that with a little uh little gumption, we can uh get back on track.

[00:53:37]>> I think we can too. And this has been a great start and a great overview. I mean, I know you tackled four main ones, but hopefully it'll give folks a really solid idea of what to expect as we move forward on these. And when we get deeper in, there'll be more time for questions because won't be as much of an education phase anymore.

[00:53:56]>> I think so too. And uh you know the I I'll we'll definitely leave time on more of the other ones for questions and a little bit more interaction um on uh you know some of these moving forward.

[00:54:09]>> Um which would be good um for folks because we do get lots of questions.

[00:54:13]Just somebody asking question best ADHD brain and insomnia for teen. uh just what we were covering in those four when we was talking about the cortiseps and the lion's mane um just the studies are fantastic and we will be we'll start sharing links when we start covering individual um studies as well so that you guys can take a look at it you guys can print them maybe share them with doctors if you got a doctor that may want to see it we want you to be armed with knowledge >> just trying you know I mean we'll do our best um but you know, we're learning just like you guys are. We're just uh we're a little more nerdy.

[00:54:52]>> Yeah.

[00:54:53]>> So, we apologize for that in uh in advance.

[00:54:56]>> And I'm I'm excited because of the number of people in the chat that have already started doing some deep dives.

[00:55:01]It's going to we're going to have a lot of amateur investigators or researchers helping us in this one, which is going to make the chat even more fun because you guys will get to share what you learned, what studies you looked at as we move forward.

[00:55:15]>> Exactly.

[00:55:16]So gosh, I can't believe it's almost it's almost been an hour mark. That's insane.

[00:55:21]>> That's Yeah, exactly. That's one thing to remember when we're like, "Oh, yeah.

[00:55:24]All right. 20 30 minutes." Okay.

[00:55:26]Probably twice that. But it really was a great a great introduction introduction to the process or what what what we're hoping to do, what we're hoping to accomplish.

[00:55:38]>> Yeah. We want to we want to kind of bring this forward, guys, educate at the same time. Try not to bore you too much.

[00:55:46]We'll keep it fun. We >> Well, we will. We will. Well, Mark, have a good night and uh yeah, we'll uh figure up something for the next time and we'll go from there.

[00:55:57]>> Sounds like a plan. Everybody take care.

[00:56:00]I don't We haven't a set time yet. We will work towards having a set time as much as possible. It's a little tough with Lucas, family, travel. I mean, he's running businesses in multiple states with this process. So, I know it's tough.

[00:56:15]>> It is, but we'll make it work one way or another. You know, >> we can always record some of them so that we can stay more on our schedule.

[00:56:24]That way, we can randomly record one at 2 or 3 in the afternoon. I know it's more fun when they're live, but we should do some of those just so that people can count on a schedule because then we can just play them. Let's say we pick a time like 7 o'clock on Thursdays.

[00:56:39]for those weeks where you're going to be traveling mine, we should have one or two like up our sleeve that we can uh boom, throw it in there.

[00:56:46]>> Yeah. No, I I actually like that idea. I don't want to do it too often because again, like you said, I I like the interaction uh being live, but you know, we'll we'll do what we can.

[00:56:57]>> Yep. Sounds good. And Lucas, thank you for taking the time, especially before you're getting ready to leave. Very kind mods. Anytime you put in the extra, it's why anytime you're here, period, it's great. But thank you.

[00:57:08]>> Yeah, you bet. Have a good one, Mark.

[00:57:10]Take care.

[00:57:10]>> You too, Lucas.

[00:57:12]>> All right. See you.

[00:57:12]>> See you. Have Lucas over at uh the gurus. Um huge part of the community and some great knowledge there and products.

[00:57:22]Uh you can find them over at cbdgurus.com.

[00:57:26]Uh we've talked about the ordering. We shared it throughout. Go give it a try.

[00:57:31]Try some of these products. See what they do for you. All right, folks. We will see you soon.