The Random Cosplayer Who Inspired All Star Superman

Added: 2026-05-08

[00:00:00]One of my favorite lines from Superman is when he just face him off against Harley Quinn. It's like, "Hey Soops, do you want to hear a joke?" And Superman goes, "Superman versus Harley Quinn."

[00:00:11]Want to hear a joke?

[00:00:13]Oh, gee, this ought to be something.

[00:00:17]Harley Quinn versus Superman.

[00:00:20]It's just and Harley Quinn [laughter] has no comeback for that.

[00:00:25]>> [snorts] >> So, follow me, Lucas, and lovely audience at home. Same question. What is your favorite Superman moment?

[00:00:34]Uh honestly, I'm not that big a Superman fan. So, maybe when he just gets like punched with steamrollers by Batman.

[00:00:44]To [snorts] be fair, steamroller fist is literally the only way Batman could stand up to Superman, right?

[00:00:53]As only my favorite part of like the like The Dark Knight Returns fight that Zack Snyder wasn't even enough of a hack to rip off, is where like Superman is explaining to Batman, "Look, I'm [ __ ] Superman.

[00:01:05]Mhm. Stop this. If they don't If I don't stop you, the government will just send someone else." And Batman very astutely points out, "Really?

[00:01:14]Who do they send after you?" If it isn't me, it'll just be someone else.

[00:01:19]Really?

[00:01:20]Who do they send after you?

[00:01:24]And that's such a good point, right? Of Superman, you hear yourself like, "Who do they send after you?

[00:01:32]Who's the backup choice after Superman loses the fight?" And The Dark Knight Returns is largely considered to be one of the best Batman stories. So, let's flip it for Superman now and talk about one of the best Superman stories, All-Star Superman.

[00:01:47]So, All-Star Superman is considered by many to be one of the best Superman stories ever written, which is weird considering that it was inspired by exactly one guy. Simply a guy at Comic-Con who just wanted to chill.

[00:01:58]You're missed.

[00:01:59]He's Thanks, mister. He's such a naughty cat. I always tell him not to >> Oh, hold on now. Let's not be too hard on Friskie, okay? Okay, so I'm familiar with the name All-Star Superman, but again, I haven't read or watched that many Superman-specific things, so >> Okay. So, you've watched Man of Steel, right?

[00:02:16]Unfortunately.

[00:02:20]Imagine the opposite of Man of Steel.

[00:02:22]They only have one chance to save the world.

[00:02:26]That's all you've ever needed. That's All-Star Superman.

[00:02:30]Just hope. Yeah, so imagine a Superman where it embraces the fact that Superman is silly.

[00:02:35]Um it acknowledges the fact that Superman wants to help everybody and he's a selfless hero who just wants to do his best by everybody. He's a good-natured farm boy from Kansas who um acknowledges his power and wants to use it for good.

[00:02:51]No.

[00:02:58]>> [music] >> I've got her.

[00:03:02]Call, that sounds ridiculous and boring.

[00:03:05]A Superman who inspires hope. Have you seen that's like a thing with like the James Gunn Superman where people like the term hope maxing has become like a thing [laughter] now.

[00:03:13]Where people talk about like joy aura farming became like a thing of like when a character like just stands all cool looking like a badass. Like now you can like hope farm and that's what Superman does. [laughter] I wake up EVERY MORNING AND DESPITE NOT KNOWING WHAT TO DO, I PUT ONE FOOT IN FRONT of the OTHER AND I TRY TO MAKE THE BEST CHOICES I CAN. I screw up all the time, but that is being human.

[00:03:35]In Zack Snyder's Superman movie, like Superman is [ __ ] terrifying. Even when he's rescuing people, he's still scary. I think it's like the opening of like Batman versus Superman where he's like rescuing the people on the roof during the hurricane and it's shot like a [ __ ] Dracula movie and there's thunder [laughter] and lightning and like Superman is like positioning himself like against the sun as if to say, "I am your god now."

[00:03:58]It's terrifying.

[00:04:00]Like in them like the James Gunn Superman, there was a very similar moment where he rescues a lady when a bridge collapses.

[00:04:08]And the lady looks into a mirror and she sees Superman fly up out of the dust in front of the sun.

[00:04:14]And visually, those scenes do look the same, so I imagine Zack Snyder fans don't notice the difference, but there is a difference and like in the Zack Snyder version, like it's shot slightly from below. In like filmmaking technique, you shoot from below to like make something look more powerful or intimidating or scarier.

[00:04:27]Um in the James Gunn one, it's kind of shot with Superman's eye level. Also thematically, like Superman isn't doing that to like look cool or like you know, to to just stance up on the world. He's doing it to make sure that lady's okay.

[00:04:39]Yeah, right. And that's the thing is considering the Zack Snyder goes so heavy into the kind of Jesus allegories for Superman, it's weird how many times he shoots him in like an intimidating fashion. Yeah.

[00:04:54]Even though as well like Superman is not supposed to be a Christ-like figure.

[00:04:57]Like based on Moses cuz he was originally created by two Jewish immigrants and they were inspired by the story of the golem.

[00:05:04]So, it's really weird that Zack Snyder went, "You know what? Jesus." And what's the most on the nose shot in that movie and why is it when Superman's sat in a church in front of like the like image of Christ on the cross saying, "I don't know if I can save them all."

[00:05:16]I was also going to go with the bit where it's like I think it's in like the day of the dead crowd, right?

[00:05:24]Um like the Dia de los Muertos. Yeah, he's he's stood there and like all the hands are on him. And all the hands are on him and everyone's like yeah, just trying to get a touch of not Jesus and it's like okay.

[00:05:37]>> like the Zack Snyder Superman movies, they're shot like Dracula movies.

[00:05:41]They're so dark. There's no color at all.

[00:05:45]Whereas like the James Gunn one is so surprising cuz like the opening fight is against a giant kaiju. So, right away, okay, in this universe the giant kaijus are rocking about, that's fun. The studio wanted him to remove it. Audience feedback initially didn't like the scene. They didn't feel it added much to the film, but he's like, "No, no, no.

[00:06:00]It's important to just clarify immediately that this is what Superman's character is." And it's where he just rescues a squirrel.

[00:06:14]And the reason he rescues the squirrel, Lucas, is why? It's because he can. But Call, have you thought about maybe you should have just let that squirrel drown? I don't What What did that squirrel ever do for you, right? What What did that squirrel contribute to society? There was another scene where it's um people are evacuating the city.

[00:06:30]And there was a shot of this this old lady with a turtle.

[00:06:34]And it lingers on it for like a second longer than anybody else in that scene.

[00:06:37]And someone asked James Gunn of like, "Is there any importance to that turtle?"

[00:06:42]Because it's we it's framed in a way that like you know, would suggest prominence in the story. And James Gunn was like, "No, we just wanted there to be a moment where you realize that for that lady, the most important thing to her is her pet turtle."

[00:06:54]Well, that's the point is that it is important, but it's important because it's important to her and it's like it doesn't matter how small something is, it can still be important to someone.

[00:07:04]>> And that reminds me of another Superman moment I quite like and it's I think it's like one of the DC animated movies where like Superman literally rescues a cat from a tree.

[00:07:12]And Batman's like, "Really, Superman?

[00:07:15]This is what you're doing with your time?"

[00:07:17]And Superman just says, "I go where I'm needed and the cat needed help and I could help." Time I have to stop [music] and sweat the small stuff, it potentially keeps me from attending to more urgent matters.

[00:07:29]Life-threatening matters.

[00:07:32]That's it and that's what All-Star Superman embraces. It embraces all the dumb stuff and it takes all the criticisms about Superman and owns them while simultaneously doing what a lot of Superman media is afraid to do, embracing how silly the idea of Superman is.

[00:07:46]Hey there.

[00:07:48]Hey, it's okay. My name is Superman.

[00:07:51]I'll find your parents. What's your name? Libby. Give me 1 second, Libby.

[00:07:56]Yeah, and obviously, I might question Superman, you know, stopping a fight with Darkseid to go and find a cat out of a tree or something. Well, if he had time, when you're a man who can move as fast as Superman >> If he had time, but I mean like completely abandoning a planet to go save a cat or something, right?

[00:08:14]>> Well, if it was in his way and he has the ability to do so, why wouldn't you?

[00:08:17]That's the idea, right? It's like um the story of the good Samaritan, right?

[00:08:22]Of why did you help me? Because I can.

[00:08:25]I've got him. You ready?

[00:08:32]That's the thing is similar you talking about earlier. It's like he saves a squirrel during a massive kaiju fight because he knows he has the time to. Yeah, because he's Superman.

[00:08:41]And that's one of the things that All-Star Superman deals with, right? It doesn't It presents a challenge for Superman not by giving you someone stronger to punch, but by exploring the idea of how much that would weigh on someone.

[00:08:54]Like the responsibility of literally saving the entire world and the strength of character required to shoulder such a massive burden. Everything's connected.

[00:09:06]Every one.

[00:09:09]And this is how he sees things all the time. And it is a self-imposed responsibility, but then you get moments like I can't remember what part of the Zack Snyder verse it is, but where Superman is basically just like, "Maybe I should just stop helping other people and be selfish."

[00:09:24]>> tells him to stop, yeah. You don't owe these people anything. It's like that's the point, he doesn't, but he still does cuz he has the ability to do so. Imagine like if Superman wasn't Superman and he was like a police officer or a fireman or a paramedic and his mom's like, "You don't owe these people [ __ ] anything."

[00:09:39]Be anything they need you to be.

[00:09:42]Or be none of it.

[00:09:45]You don't owe this world a thing.

[00:09:50]He's He's monstrous, right? It's like it that'd be monstrous to say if he was like a first responder. It's bordering on psy chopathic to say it's your invincible alien son.

[00:10:01]>> [laughter] >> Who can solve like every problem without issue?

[00:10:04]>> who has like flight and super speed and super durability. I say it's bordering on psychopathic. And I know Snyder fans always say, "Oh, the Kents just want to protect their son." It's like they're supposed to be good people who inherently believe in the good of others.

[00:10:18]That's why he's such a you know, a good character cuz he's a just a good-natured farm boy from Kansas. He was raised right. They're meant to be I say a moral compass for him and they're the reason why he grows up to be the person who A sees himself as a human, but also B sees himself as like wanting to help out the world. And I don't believe that those Kents in that movie could raise that man. Yeah, whereas like the Kents in like the James Gunn Superman movie like they're just so wholesome.

[00:10:47]They have that they have that great moment where it's like his dad comes out and talks to him.

[00:10:51]And he's like, you know, Superman's feeling like kind of insecure like like I'm Superman, but what does that mean?

[00:10:57]He's like, I don't care that you're Superman. I care that you're my son.

[00:11:01]And I know that my son's a good man.

[00:11:02]That's all he needs.

[00:11:04]But as you say, it's interesting what I presume All-Star Superman deals with of like >> Yes.

[00:11:10]how how can you deal with the fact that you could potentially save everyone in theory, but you're only one person so you can't in practice. Exactly. And you like you know, that's what All-Star Superman explores cuz like one of the plot points is that oh, Superman he gets like a super disease that's going to kill him. Superman's like, well, I guess I'm going to keep being Superman for as long as I can cuz he understands that the idea of Superman means a lot to people. And as well as like you know, saving the day, rescuing people from like natural disasters and acts of God, he also just for example, goes and visits a bunch of bald children in a hospital. Isn't that nice and wholesome, Lucas?

[00:11:46]Isn't that a nice thing to see Superman just going into a hospital?

[00:11:50]>> Yeah, just going and visiting kids. Yeah. And I imagine if they put that in a film, you'd have weirdo guys like, "Why do they show that?" Cuz Superman can. It means a lot to kids. It's the same reason why [ __ ] Robert Downey Jr. goes to hospitals and visits kids dressed as Iron Man. Mhm.

[00:12:05]Cuz it means a lot to that kid.

[00:12:08]Sometimes that's enough. Yeah, and in this panel it literally, you know, the nurse is saying, "Your visits are all some of them have to look forward to."

[00:12:16]And Superman's response is just, "It's the least I could do." Like that literally is the minimal amount of effort he sees that he can put in, but he's He knows it means so much more to them, right? It's like I think it's like that great speech that like Aunt May gives. Do you know the one where she totally knows that Tobey Maguire is Spider-Man? Mhm. He's like, "Heroes can inspire us. They're the people that like you know, we'll wait outside in the rain to catch a glimpse of. They're the ones who give us hope to hold on just that little bit longer cuz that's what they do." Spider-Man [music] did that for Henry and he wonders where he's gone.

[00:12:52]He needs him.

[00:12:56]It's a great scene because that's where Peter Parker's contemplating being selfish himself, right? Of like I can't keep putting everyone else first because my life is falling apart and I don't know what to do.

[00:13:10]But it's like, I understand that and clearly Aunt May's like, I kind of think I know what's going on here.

[00:13:16]I need to, you know, inspire hope back within Peter Parker, but just yeah.

[00:13:21]Like, I'm sorry, Peter, that it sucks to be this person, but you kind of got to be the one.

[00:13:29]Like it's almost like with great power comes great responsibility. Like do you think at some point in the comics like Aunt May just crochets that [ __ ] and puts it on Spider-Man's fridge and like every time he thinks about [laughter] like like turning in early for the night or like ordering a pizza, he's like, "Ah, [ __ ] sake."

[00:13:43]Yeah. Yeah, okay, Aunt May.

[00:13:45]Well, it's a kind of a minor spoiler for the one of the like early plot points in the latest Invincible season and it's very, very minor spoilers I'm just talking about like the general schedule that Invincible has. And it just shows him kind of nonstop having to deal with another problem.

[00:14:04]And he just like gets back home after a day of crime fighting and someone else goes down. He's like just I I I just wanted a moment of rest and like He always bum asks him like, "Mark, you can take a break." He's like, "No, I can't cuz I'm the only one who can do this." Again, when you've got a character of that kind of power level that can do everything, I think it's a really fun aspect to explore of just when is it okay for me to just stop and go to sleep tonight? But also the idea that Invincible inspires other heroes. And it's the same idea with Superman. And one of the other most famous panels from that comic is the one you've no doubt seen like a dozen times before, Lucas, and it is Superman comforting the girl about to jump off the ledge.

[00:14:48]Oh, right. Yeah.

[00:14:49]>> That's like straight up been done twice.

[00:14:50]There's a a single like one-shot short like Superman and the jumper. And then there's also a moment like that in All-Star Superman. It's where Superman comforts a girl who's about to jump off the edge of a building by telling her, "Your therapist really was late."

[00:15:03]And he just gives her a hug.

[00:15:05]Again, like he could have just like grabbed her and just dropped her on the ground and let someone else deal with it. It's like, "But that's not what she needs. Yes, she needs rescuing and I will help her get down there, but what she needs right now is just someone to listen to her and tell her everything's going to be okay.

[00:15:20]And you know what? That's something anybody could do." And Cole was always giggling off camera there because it the way that you phrased that made it sound like he could have just dropped her. He could [laughter] have done that.

[00:15:31]Well, I think so like you know, like in My Hero Academia Mhm. like like minor spoilers, but like towards the end of the series like Deku and the other heroes inspire the regular people of his world who don't have powers. And the other moment where there's like a little lost kid on the street.

[00:15:46]And normally like you have a flashback to earlier in the season where an old lady walked past the kid and I think, "Well, a hero's got this."

[00:15:53]Mhm. And she thinks to herself like, "No, no, no.

[00:15:55]That's not the right mindset." And she goes and comforts the child instead.

[00:15:58]Because yeah, a hero could come and rescue the child, but the child doesn't need to be rescued by like a hero with superpowers. He just needs someone to like like hold their hand, ask them if they're okay, and then take them somewhere where they'll be safe.

[00:16:11]Mhm. Anybody could do that.

[00:16:13]The same way like with Superman, anybody could go and visit children in a hospital.

[00:16:18]I don't I don't think they'd like be quite as excited to see me rock up as Superman though. Yeah, but like every now and again like one of my favorite genres of posts on Reddit is when people are like, "Oh, I've I've got boxed up all my gaming stuff and just deliver it to a a children's hospital."

[00:16:32]Mhm. Like stuff like that like Yeah. That's something you can do to help people. What happens when someone's like, "Oh, look, I took like my old PS2 to a hospital or whatever so the kids could play some games." And it's like just No, no, I was going to say there's just no HDMI for like the TV.

[00:16:49]>> like great one of like when Robert Downey Jr. went to like visit a kid in a hospital and they wanted Iron Man?

[00:16:55]>> [laughter] >> And he didn't. It's not how he started.

[00:16:58]And you have that picture of like Robert Downey Jr. like with like Curb Your Enthusiasm theme playing of like, "I maybe I should have come wearing the outfit."

[00:17:08]I think Johnny Depp does it quite a lot where he shows up as Captain Jack Sparrow.

[00:17:11]>> Jack Sparrow, yeah.

[00:17:14]In the full outfit. As does Chris Pratt. He's got the Star-Lord outfit. He takes that to children's hospitals. I think his like John Cena could be fully dressed up in any kids ward at any point because he's a Yeah.

[00:17:27]famous for, isn't he? Like he has like the the world record for like the most Make-A-Wishes granted for the Make-A-Wish Foundation. I I was just making a joke. You never know he's there. I I always wonder if John Cena gets annoyed by that cuz obviously it must be annoying if people make the same joke all the time. But for him, the joke is that they can't see him so it means they leave him alone.

[00:17:45]Mhm. I I have seen him in an interview talking about the fact that like yeah, you know, it there's times where it can be frustrating, but at the end of the day like that's essentially what made me famous and memorable.

[00:17:57]I'm not that bothered by it.

[00:17:59]>> love his stuff with his brother where his brother bet him that he wouldn't do a stupid [ __ ] dance on stage like he made him a bet of like apparently it was like some dance that a rapper did where they went, "Yeah, yeah." Like that in a a rap video. And I'll do I'll do it.

[00:18:11]He's like, "No, you [ __ ] won't. Like Vince would never let you do it." He's like, "I'll do it." So what the hell do I got to lose? Are they going to fire me? Of course I'll do it on TV. But instead of doing this, I did this.

[00:18:21]>> [laughter] >> And now for 15 years because of a dare >> [laughter] >> I've been doing this.

[00:18:31]I'll You watch my next show. I'll do it.

[00:18:34]I'll call it the five knuckle shuffle.

[00:18:36]And what?

[00:18:37]He did [laughter] it. And now it became one of his most iconic things. But bringing it back to All-Star Superman is a comic that celebrates everything that Superman is and should realistically represent truth, justice, and a better tomorrow. And it goes to great lengths to portray the man of steel as a man.

[00:18:53]Albeit one who can fire lasers from his eyes and move the sun out of its orbit if he wanted to.

[00:18:57]Out of here.

[00:19:07]And it all started, Lucas, with a single image. Specifically, this one here. So even if you're not too familiar with the comic, you've no doubt seen that image, yes?

[00:19:14]I have, yes. So according to the guy who wrote All-Star Superman, Grant Morrison, that image was the inspiration for the entire storyline.

[00:19:21]And according to Morrison, he was at Comic-Con with his editor. Now, his name here Dan Raspler, and they were just outside, you know, getting some fresh air and they saw a Superman cosplayer sat in exactly that position. One leg up, casually just sitting there on a rock.

[00:19:35]>> was just the cape was kind of draped and it was just like really relaxed with this guy. And I'd always thought of Superman as being posed and being constantly stiff and kind of statuesque.

[00:19:47]And to see the way the cape was draped and the way he just had one knee up and he was kind of leaning on it. Just Just sat there.

[00:19:53]Enjoying the breeze. Like you know, presumably after they went back in and like you know, took pictures of like the 50 dead pools that were in there.

[00:19:59]And in that moment Morrison realized every artist has drawn Superman wrong.

[00:20:04]Yeah, literally like it's the hero pose potentially based off Superman. I'm not sure.

[00:20:09]>> Yes, and obviously that works for the front of a comic book, but Morrison thought to himself, "Well, that's not how Superman would be though when he's not being Superman.

[00:20:18]He wouldn't give a [ __ ] because he's invincible. And I have it here, the quote he said is, "If nothing can hurt you, you can afford to be cool."

[00:20:27]This guy looked the part.

[00:20:28]>> "We've got to talk to this guy. This is This is the shamanic moment. This is the message from the universe." And he was sitting there, much posed much like on the cover of All-Star Superman number one, sort of one leg up casually just sitting there on a rock.

[00:20:39]>> And Morrison went home and wrote All-Star Superman with that in mind. The idea that Well, Superman doesn't need to worry about anything because he's Superman, but what would that responsibility actually be like? And how would that weigh on someone as powerful as Superman?

[00:20:53]And something I watched recently that I think actually nails this idea probably better than James Gunn did. Cuz James Gunn like said he's Superman is is hope farming in every [ __ ] scene that he's in.

[00:21:02]But I recently watched like Lois & Clark. That show is super good.

[00:21:07]I've heard that show is really good, yeah.

[00:21:09]Here you go, friend. Thanks. Cool costume. Thanks. My mom made it for me.

[00:21:16]And uh and then Tyler Hoechlin, he plays a really good Superman. He especially plays like a really good just Superman who just means well.

[00:21:25]Mhm. And you can believe that that Superman would inspire hope. My name is Clark Kent and yes, I am Superman. And yeah, like that's the kind of Superman that I personally think is Superman, right? I I'd not as people can probably tell, we both are not in for dark and gritty Superman.

[00:21:46]It's It's not what the character needs to be. It's such a boring take on the character. Of Mhm. If If anything, it's more interesting that Superman has all that power and it doesn't corrupt him.

[00:21:56]Because by now we've had so many stories of evil Superman or just a subversion of the Superman mythos in like Homelander, Omni-Man. Just Superman having all that power and still choosing to use it for good is actually the more interesting take on it.

[00:22:11]Cuz like think about how many things in the last like 15, 20 years we've had that just been what if Superman was an [ __ ] Yeah, and you've got a lot of like, you know, parodies and homages, but you've also literally got like Injustice for example, where it's like what if Superman went down a dark path and took over the world?

[00:22:30]I still think Injustice has like one of my favorite lines from Superman.

[00:22:35]Like the portrayal of Superman, the characterization is kind of bad cuz Superman becomes a dictator. Even though I think I I initially agreed with his point where it's like, "Okay, the Joker just nuked Metropolis, [ __ ] him."

[00:22:45]Yeah, no.

[00:22:47]100% what it's like, "Bruce, stop keeping this man alive. Look what he's done."

[00:22:53]>> I This might be a controversial statement, but I believe in the death penalty, specifically if you kill over 100 people.

[00:23:00]But I think generally up to 99, life in prison. After that 100th one, [ __ ] Superman rips your heart out and throws you into space.

[00:23:07]Like Zs'asz, right? Of like, "How is Zs'asz still walking around alive when he literally carves proof of everyone he kills into his own skin?" And that's in a world where like the death penalty does sometimes exist depending on the comic.

[00:23:18]>> death penalty's called [ __ ] Zack Snyder Superman.

[00:23:21]It's all Zack Snyder Batman. So I I always like that um yeah, like Injustice Superman has one of my favorite lines where in that game you can have like the mini like match-ups before you fight.

[00:23:34]How's it feel being the villain? Justice requires order.

[00:23:39]BORING.

[00:23:41]ONE OF MY FAVORITE LINES from Superman is when he he's facing him off against Harley Quinn, he's like, "Hey Soops, do you want to hear a joke?" And Superman goes, "Superman versus Harley Quinn."

[00:23:53]Want to hear a joke?

[00:23:55]Oh, gee, this ought to be something.

[00:23:59]Harley Quinn versus Superman.

[00:24:02]It's just and Harley [laughter] Quinn has no comeback for that.

[00:24:06]I mean, it's fair enough cuz like when Superman stops trying to be a nice guy, he's like, "Really, Harley? You going to try this?" But I think one of like his other lines is like when he's facing like Green Arrow, he's like, "Come on, Clark. This is stupid. It's not I'm not the one fighting Superman."

[00:24:23]He's got a point, hasn't he? He's like, "You're being stupid. I'm Superman." And I do like when media acknowledges the fact that Superman, he is sort of a trump card.

[00:24:32]Like in in The Dark Knight Returns where it's Superman's like telling Bruce, "Look, it's stupid. They'll just send someone else." Really?

[00:24:39]Who do they send after you?

[00:24:41]And you see Superman go, "Oh [ __ ] Who do they send after [laughter] me?"

[00:24:45]And then just a kryptonite arrow hits him in the back of the head. And I'll never understand how Zack Snyder [ __ ] up his adaptation of that storyline so poorly when there's two versions he could pull from, one of which is literally pictures.

[00:24:59]You're feeling it now, aren't you?

[00:25:01]What the rest of us live with every day.

[00:25:03]>> [snorts] >> You're out of breath.

[00:25:10]Out of breath.

[00:25:11]Like you don't even need to read, you just need to look at the [ __ ] pictures.

[00:25:14]And the idea that when Batman says to Superman, "I didn't need to go easy on you." Yeah. And I love the idea that that Batman's the one who's going easy on Superman. Cuz like throughout the fight, Superman thinks he's going easy on Batman. Mhm. Like I'm I'm I'm I'm Superman. I'm [ __ ] invincible.

[00:25:29]You know how this fight ends, Bruce.

[00:25:31]Bruce is like, "Yeah, I do.

[00:25:34]Cuz I know you won't kill me.

[00:25:35]But you don't know that I won't kill you."

[00:25:37]But I didn't have to go easy on you.

[00:25:40]A different binding agent, a stronger [music] mix, I want you to remember that. He's just like Batman checked the scorecard and saw it was like a 10-0 match-up to Batman and he's like, "Wait, what?

[00:25:53]What do you mean?" So yeah, I could have gone so much harder in this fight.

[00:25:58]The And that is the definitive Batman moment in my opinion. The idea of just reaching out to touch the hand of God and rather than like accepting it, slapping God across the face. That's what he does in that moment.

[00:26:14]It's just So that we don't need gods.

[00:26:22]We make our own.