Weather forecasting has evolved from traditional TV broadcasts to include storm chasing and social media engagement, with professionals like Glenn 'Hurricane' Schwartz pioneering on-location storm coverage and now focusing on climate science education to combat misinformation, emphasizing that accurate weather and climate communication is essential for public safety and environmental awareness.
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The Forecast King: Hurricane Schwartz Looks Back on 50 Years of WeatherAdded:
I'd mentioned weather and we have in our studio a legend, friends, and not only did he work at the National Hurricane Center and done work with the Weather Channel, but 27 years at NBC 10. Ladies and gentlemen, Glenn Hurricane Schwartz is with us this morning. Hey Glenn, how you doing?
>> I'm I'm doing great. Today's the first day hurricane season.
>> It is.
>> Yeah, I'm ready.
>> You're in your element.
>> Yeah, June 1st.
>> Wow. Uh and and I failed to mention also you're in a new partnership with our friend Northeastern Nick, >> right?
>> who is a wonderful human being.
>> He sure is and it's uh starting today, a segment that I'm going to be doing on his website and Facebook page. I'm taking over his social media.
You know, I got a lot of followers on Tik Tok.
>> Yeah.
>> It that would just started in December and he would was one of them and then he got in touch with me and we've been friends ever since.
He's wanted me to join him because I specialize in climate now. He does the daily forecast stuff, which I'm not as interested in any or I mean I did it for 50 years.
I still I'm interested in the storms and I do the Tik Tok videos during the storms and I get sometimes hundreds of thousands of of views.
>> Sure, yeah.
>> But Nick is at the top of the scale and he's got like a half a million followers and he followed me as he was a kid. You know, what do you who do you watch?
>> he told us he when we he came in and we were really blown away when he came in and it was just such a a nice and clearly a weather as you said you know a weather nerd growing up in school and the whole thing and just loved it and he invoked your name as his Hurricane Glenn Hurricane Schwartz was kind of the is his idol so to speak.
>> It >> Yeah, there were there was a few others that I've met over the years and a few know the new guy at Channel 10, Robert Johnson. I met him at the age of 11.
And he decided he wanted to be a meteorologist and I've been mentoring him forever. Some other folks around the country because I was inspired as a kid by the TV weather guy. It was Wally Kinnan, the weatherman on Channel 3 >> I love those things.
>> okay? And there was just something about him. I learned a little bit about it in school and so in the fifth grade I decided I wanted to be a meteorologist.
Never wanted to be anything else except maybe center fielder for the Phillies.
>> [laughter] >> But you were you were drawn to weather and so I think it's it's funny. We talk about this weather's place at the beginning of the newscast and the weather channel and and you you were part of AccuWeather and all the multitude of things.
The fascinating with the storms. You were one of the first storm chasers, were you not?
>> I was the first storm chaser for the weather channel. That's how I ended up with the nickname. So what Jim Cantore has been doing for a long, long time, I started that. Um it was halfway by accident. I was hired at the weather channel to actually do a documentary on hurricanes. And we just didn't have enough video. And so as there was a hurricane approaching the coast and the weather channel in Atlanta said, "Can I just go down to the coast get some video get [laughter] blown around a little bit?"
And they had never set foot out the door to take a picture of anything. They just showed maps [laughter] all day. I said, "Look, this is television. It's visual.
You got to do this." And I begged them to let me go. I went, the storm stalled.
I sat there for nearly a week, 3,000 miles on the car. They were so mad when I got back until they saw the ratings.
>> Uh and it's it's then that's it. I don't care what the story is. You see somebody reporting from a hurricane, you're going to sit there and watch. Was it Elena?
>> Yeah, it was Elena in 1985.
>> I mean, I remember as a kid watching. It It is the craziest thing. You could look out your own window and see it, but there's something about a guy out there with the microphone and a windscreen on the microphone getting blown around.
You're like, "Oh my god."
>> Yeah.
>> And kind of scares away a lot of people. And how do you describe things on television without pictures?
>> Yeah, yeah.
>> That's what it's for.
>> Yeah.
>> And I had worked at the local [clears throat] TV station in Atlanta, the BGA, and so I was familiar with how TV worked.
>> Yeah.
>> And then I go to the Weather Channel.
It's like We're in the 18th century here.
>> Yeah.
>> [laughter] >> No, you It's true, and it's funny to watch the the different, you know, the the different ways technology. I remember there's a guy in in New York was kind of famous and sort of infamous when I was growing up, Tex Antoine. I mean, there were literally like color forms appliqués on on a board. And this is before all the all the high-tech.
There's Some people make a case that maybe there's too much coverage now, and it gets a little crazy, but it is something that affects everybody all the same way. Doesn't matter, you know, what your status in life is. The weather's going to hit you.
And that's what makes it fascinating. So while you were out covering a lot of these storms, were you ever in a situation where you thought, "Oh boy, this is it."
>> Oh, try.
>> Actually, that chase for Elena because it had stalled offshore of Tampa for days, and then all of the sudden it made a turn back toward New Orleans. So we had to get in the car and drive around the panhandle in the middle of the night with no people on the roads, no cops, no nothing. The wind is blowing like crazy. The car is shaking as we're going over the bridge to Mobile.
I want to make a call to the Weather Channel. We had no cell phones. We had no satellite trucks. There were like no technology. I had to go to a payphone to call them up to give a report. So, as I went into the payphone downtown Mobile, a piece of glass, flying glass, kind of grazed me right in near my eyebrow.
>> Wow.
>> So, that's the closest I ever came.
>> Still scary as hell, but it's also exhilarating. I assume that's what appealed to you.
>> Yeah, of course, because nobody becomes a meteorologist because of sunny days.
>> [laughter] >> That's got to be the worst >> It's the storms.
>> They talk about the the the guys who are like in LA or whatever. Most, you know, for for the most part, you got it pretty much the the same everywhere. I'll tell you what else is also an interesting thing with the weather.
Letterman was a weatherman for a a little while.
They Yeah, they it kind of allows you to have a bit of a personality. And to a personality conceit that is your wardrobe.
Were the bow ties part of your contract?
>> As a matter of fact, yes, but only when I got to Philadelphia.
>> Yeah.
>> You see, so when I first was in TV, I had a full beard.
>> Ah.
>> And nobody had beards in TV in 1979.
>> Right.
>> But I had grown the beard to look older because like when I was 24, I looked like I was 16.
>> Yeah.
>> So, let me grow the beard. So, then I have an identity once I get on TV as the the guy with the beard.
>> Yeah.
>> Well, when I get into my 40s, I no longer need to look older.
>> Right.
>> Okay?
>> Right. [laughter] >> Off goes the beard, and I'm wearing regular ties. And I was always kind of interested in fashion. My father was an architect, so I like these geometric designs. And so, I made kind of a thing about ties, because what choice did men have for fashion back then?
So, then I get the job offer for Philadelphia. I knew the news director. He was my assistant in Raleigh be- before I was fired, because I wasn't pretty enough.
Literally, that's what the boss told me.
>> [laughter] >> And >> Different time.
>> Yeah, totally. But, the assistant news director was the guy who went to Philly, who wants to hire me, and then he says, "Okay, we're going to call you Hurricane." Cuz he he knew the nickname that I got that in New York on live TV.
And I had no idea it was coming. And then I want you to wear bow ties.
I what? He said, "Well, you know this guy John Bolaris?" I said, "Yeah, I've I've heard him on the radio." He says, "Well, he's our main weather guy, and he is so handsome. He wears these $2,000 suits. The women go crazy for him. I picture you as the anti-Bolaris."
>> [laughter] >> What a What a backhanded compliment.
>> I know, but instead of getting insulted, I just saw the potential right away. I said, "Okay, now I can be somebody different." And on TV, radio, any kind of media.
>> It's everything.
>> Being known is That's job number one.
And then being liked. Those are the only two things that they care about. And so, this bow tie took off like I never had any idea.
>> With with the tie, are they clip-ons, or do you tie those?
>> These are not clip-ons.
>> Okay.
>> I want you to pre-tie.
>> Pre-tied. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, yes, I know the type you're talking about. So, if you do a rental, like a like a tux rental, they'll give you one of those.
Okay.
>> Yeah, my first bow ties, I did go to a formal shop, because the guy said, "Okay, you're on this weekend. I need you to wear bow ties. Where do I get a bow tie? Oh, a formal shop.
>> [laughter] >> So, I'm taking Well, if a tornado's coming, I'm not going to take time [laughter] to go putting on this stupid tie.
So, it is perfectly symmetrical. They make great They do a great job with it. I sent a bunch of my regular ties to this company in Vermont and they changed it to a pre-tied bow tie.
>> Okay.
>> And that's all I ever worn. I don't know how to >> I have a bow tie.
>> I was going to ask. That was my next question. Okay.
>> I refuse to learn because that's part of the stick.
>> It's hard, man.
>> It's hard.
>> not easy. All right, your one collar is up here on your right hand side.
But there you go. All right, there at least we have that. All right.
>> But this tie >> Okay.
>> This is a tie that was made by that company in Vermont. It is the global warming stripes.
>> Oh.
>> And it starts back in the 1850s, dark blue. And you can see through time the changes to the reds. And so, it is just so apparent. Anybody can see this if they have the slightest open mind how much the climate's changed.
>> And you're going to be That's going to be what you're specializing in along with Northeastern Nick is climate news?
>> Right. I've I've been doing some videos on that also on TikTok. It's my number one mission right now.
Um people can predict the weather. You can see on TV, on radio, on social media.
And it's less important to me now. I mean, I did it for 50 years. That's enough.
>> What about the storm chasing? Is that still part of it?
>> No.
>> No?
>> No. Let you know, let the young guys do that because there are now many more people doing it.
And it's gotten more and more dangerous because all these crazy people on the road trying to outdo each other and drive right into the storm. You know, I get a better picture if I'm right in there. So, there have actually been some chasers who have been killed.
>> yeah.
>> Um, that's a result of that.
>> Cuz a lot of times they'll they'll mod their own vehicles and they won't be road worthy and they they they they work up their version of the death mobile.
>> And and drive right into it.
>> Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Uh, here's a text you're going to like, Glenn. This is uh, it says, "Message for Glenn." It says, "Hi, Glenn. Thank you for making weather as interesting as you do. You were my childhood inspiration to be" and they have in quotations "Blizzard Magowan."
>> [laughter] >> "But that didn't pan out for me, but I found another career path that I that I enjoy. Thank you again."
>> Well, you know how Nor'easter Nick got his nickname.
>> From you?
>> I didn't do it, but he said he wanted a nickname like Hurricane Schwartz.
>> [laughter] >> He had a meteorologist in Lake City visit him at his school, but he started at a young age and he said, "I want a nickname like Hurricane." And the guy said, "Well, your name's Nick. How about Nor'easter Nick?" That was still for 20 years ago and it stuck, too.
>> Well, let me ask you cuz there's so much stuff that you just nonsense on if you go to Wikipedia and you don't know what's correct or what's incorrect. So, there's another name nickname associated with you. Mr. Motown.
Explain that.
>> Well, that's my favorite music and I have actually been known to sing it in bars.
>> Oh, yeah?
Any any artist in particular?
>> I Well, my all-time favorite was the Temptations.
>> Okay.
>> And I've seen them many times including the original >> Mhm.
>> Temptations. I saw the original Supremes at my senior prom at the Latin Casino.
The The Supremes, one of their last concerts together.
>> That's pretty wild.
>> I've seen a a bunch of the Motown acts over the years.
>> So, if you're walking along singing to yourself, you're singing something Motown.
>> Yes, >> [laughter] >> generally speaking. My Well, my mom Yeah, their favorite song and a favorite group of mine is Creedence.
>> Oh.
>> And my theme song has always been Bad Moon Rising.
>> [laughter] >> Yeah, yeah.
>> You know? I hear hurricanes a-blowing.
>> totally.
>> [laughter] >> I know the end is coming soon.
>> You know?
>> I fear fear rivers overflowing.
I hear the voice of rage and ruin.
>> Wow.
>> Don't go out tonight cuz it's bound to take your life. There's a bad moon on the rise.
>> I love it. And now you you should another career in the waiting is your singer. Yeah, there you go.
>> [laughter] >> Well, I >> [music] >> I did sing at my own wedding.
>> Did you?
>> to my wife, yeah.
>> What song?
>> Can't Take My Eyes Off You.
>> One of the best songs.
>> Frankie Valli.
>> Yeah.
>> And uh So, I I enjoy singing. I've had opportunity to sing with the band Jelly Roll.
>> Oh, Jelly Roll's great. They're fantastic.
>> So, I was at a charity event with them and I love their music. They're absolutely great. And then they invited me back the next year. I think this is a kidney ball.
And I said, "Look, I don't usually do repeats >> [laughter] >> Of course, there's a lot of >> Yeah.
>> opportunities, you know?
>> But I'll tell you what, I'll come back if you'll let me sing with Jelly Roll."
And so, they brought me up on stage. I sang My Girl and uh >> The rest is history.
>> video. I think it may be on YouTube somewhere.
>> Those Motown songs are perfect karaoke songs cuz they're like 2 and 1/2 minutes. Just enough. You get everyone singing along and then you move on.
>> And you have a lot of different potential voice ranges, you know?
>> Glenn, I wanted to ask about you know, in your time actively on the air here in Philadelphia. You know, obviously television, same thing with radio, we compete with other stations.
But meteorology is a it's a little community. It's It's a It seems like you know, you guys have that that in common that that that thing in common that love of of things about the weather and so on. Did your competitors did you were you friends Did you know the other meteorologist in town? Do you have relationships with them?
>> [clears throat] >> Not really. [laughter] >> Okay. Was it Was it a blood sport?
>> No, it's Cecily Tynan on on Fox um that I knew pretty well. I did not know people on channel 6. I mean, we were they were the enemy.
>> Yeah.
>> And they didn't want anything to do with us.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah.
>> Um so >> It was a It was a time. Yeah.
>> Yeah, I remember in the old days Steve Levy >> Yeah.
>> uh when we were right across the street from channel 6 and he was over channel 6 you know, cursing somebody across the street.
>> Wow.
>> And I wanted to get into a fight. Uh these these were the old days. They Back in the '80s and '90s, the ratings were through the roof cuz there was nothing else. Where else do you get a weather forecast? Yeah. And so it was channel 6 and AccuWeather, which I brought to channel 6 actually in 1972.
And then there was channel 10 and there was a big battle there which we were big competitors and it was like a death match.
>> Is it [laughter] Is it that really?
>> Well, it's it's well, Zack Berman. It's >> Totally. Totally.
>> Except not very funny.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> I you know, when somebody calls me uh accuses me of hype >> Right.
>> on the air that doesn't go over well.
>> Of over overhyping a weather report?
>> Yeah, just happened to be Hurricane Sandy.
>> Oh.
>> Yeah, so I got the last word. But [laughter] that you know, one of the things I learned early is you do not criticize anybody's forecast beforehand, number one. And number two, you don't take credit beforehand. Wait till the storm's over.
>> Man, there Glenn Edwards one time and I I've forgotten who the guy was, but it was a it was an NBC 10 and there was a weather event that was happening and he was a reporter or he ended up being an anchor, I think. But anyhow, he's out in water or something like that and you're telling him, "Dude, get out of there.
Don't be there." And he kind of What was that guy's name?
>> Vince DeMentri.
>> Vince DeMentri, that was it.
>> Now, you know, we got along really well at the station. He we were on 10:00 news together night after night after night.
But, he's a different kind of dude and we had this horrible flooding. Look, my whole career is based on helping to protect people and property. My specialty is disasters, disaster weather. And following guidelines to try to save yourself and your family and whatever objects you can. And so, one of the things if you're in a flood, you don't go in over your knees.
And you don't drive into the water, you know, turn around, don't drown.
How many thousands of times have I said that?
But, he was in the water and then I had said at the beginning of the show, all right, we don't want to get above our knees. I talked to the producer ahead of time, it was fine.
During the commercial break before weather, I see him wading out into [laughter] the deeper and deeper water and he's up to his chest. And then he's like get getting up to his ankles, you know, it's a better picture, but it's not what we need to >> Yes.
>> communicate to our audience.
>> trying to be sensational. You, however, are trying to give good tips on safety, and this is a bad example.
>> Yeah, and I and I basically called him out on the air.
>> I remember that.
>> Hours later, he got back to the station, and >> You had it out.
>> closest I ever got >> to getting punched.
>> Yeah. I was not going to be winning. He was a linebacker at Temple, and I'm a little guy. So, [laughter] but he threatened He He really threatened me.
>> How?
>> But this is in front of witnesses. One of them was Doug Camera, who was more his size.
And Doug and the floor director actually got in between us because he was coming after He He said, "I want to talk to you out in the hallway." This is hours after this event happened. And I said, "You got anything to say, say it right here. [laughter] I'M NOT GOING OUT WITH HIM.
I GOT WITNESSES. HE'S NOT GOING TO HIT ME.
>> LET'S GO by ourselves somewhere where you you can kick my ass.
>> Right. And and [clears throat] that's my passion. That's my mission.
>> Yeah.
>> It's to try to tell people the things that will help protect them.
>> Was there anything cuz for a while became all the rage, they were starting to name snowstorms, and they were starting to name, you know, passing lightning storms, and then they were naming morning dew.
>> [laughter] >> Was there any Was there any sort of in vogue weather stunty thing or thing that you just said, "I I can't do that. I won't do that."
>> Well, I basically told the boss that I didn't want to do something.
He wanted to do the Weather Channel's naming of the winter storms.
>> Okay.
>> All right. I had and I told them, I have no objection to actually doing this.
>> Yeah.
>> But it's got to be the big storms and you can't have stupid names.
>> [laughter] >> They started off with stupid, trivial, mocking names.
>> Any come to mind?
>> Yeah, Brutus.
Uh You know, the old >> Winter Storm Brutus?
>> mythology. Yeah, literally. I'm not making that up. And then Caesar and uh >> Thor.
>> Yeah, just Why do that?
And so the we NBC owned the Weather Channel at the time.
>> Yeah.
>> And they the entire network, every NBC station in the country was going to go along with this naming of the winter storms and I helped stop it.
>> Well, you know, it's wild cuz you go to the Weather Channel now and it's most often not weather. Well, it's it's it's her- it's a lot of hurricanes, a lot of storm chasers. It's a lot of the very the very Yeah, yeah.
That sort of stuff. And it's it's it's less of the the nuts and bolts of the weather and more of the sensationalistic stuff.
>> Yeah, because people are less in tune to the weather unless it's a potential danger, number one. Number two, you can get your weather information almost anywhere. The internet has gone crazy and when you're talking about irresponsible things, there's a lot of crazy stuff that is on social media and unfortunately, the crazier you are, the more extreme you are, the more crying wolf you do, the more followers you get.
>> But the but you then you have the Nor'easter Nick who are students of the uh >> And I truly respect him and other people who do responsible weather reporting on social media. I want to I to be a part of that.
Um and there's just so much misinformation about storms and about what's going to happen in our future climate, for example. You just Who do you How do you know who to go to?
>> Right.
>> How do you know what that person's background is? Do they really understand the science?
>> Well, I think if you're talking at like in in on the more visceral level. By visceral, I mean, you know, what is what is going to happen to the recipients of that news who are going to say the weather report, "Oh my god. Okay, well, I guess we have to close down and we can't do this." Or they might lose business or be might be trapped in a in a difficult situation. Or there's a multitude of things that in real time can happen to all sorts of people because they went on what you said. And you know, there was the the classic storm that that never occurred. You know, we talked to Polaris about that, you know, about that whole thing about that. I remember that the the the >> 2001.
>> Yeah, I mean, the the blowback was huge.
>> And and and people still mention it to them.
>> Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sure, yeah.
>> You never get over the big [laughter] mistakes. You're only as good as your last forecast.
>> But I think about what what you're talking about the misinformation out there, Glenn, is not necessarily the forecast misinformation, but it's the science There's some of that, but it's the science misinformation that really gets under your skin.
>> and it's People get fed propaganda, frankly, and especially related to climate because the people on the other side are some of the biggest businesses in the world, the oil and gas fossil fuel industry. And it's like it was with the tobacco industry and smoking. It took 30 years after they knew that smoking was going to be dangerous before the public got to accept it because there was all this propaganda. They hired actors to do commercials, put them in movies, the cool guys were smoking.
And so, they used the same philosophy to try to confuse people to think that there is some kind of debate about climate and the dangers of it. And I just saw a study that said that only 50% of the American population accepts the basic science of climate change. That number one, the earth is warming, and number two, human activity is mainly responsible. Only half. You know how many climate scientists agree with that?
99.9%.
It It just came out. It used to be 97%.
Now it's up to 99.9. And my mission is to increase that 50%. You know, I'm never going to get to 90%, but maybe we can get to 70, and then something can be done.
>> How often is your segment going to be uh are we going to see new uh >> Yeah, there's an update every week starting this evening at 6:00. And I'm going to be talking about facts. I'm going to be talking about myths. I'm going to explain the science. And people, without science backgrounds, will come up to a climate scientist say, "You know, the climate's always changed." I say, "Gee, I never thought of that." It's just never changed so fast. That's the danger.
That it is changing so fast, and even faster than a lot of the scientists predicted, that we're having more and more of these disasters all over the world, and there's it's just going to keep increasing. Especially now that this year there's this super El Nino developing out in the Pacific, the warm Pacific water.
And it's going to affect the weather all over the world. Maybe you're the biggest ever. We're talking about thousands and thousands of miles of ocean.
And Why are why is it so strong? Why are they stronger? Why are floods worse? Why are heat waves worse?
Why is all the ice melting and sea levels rising? It's right in front of us. How can we deny that?
Then the question is, what do you do about it? That's where the debate should be.
Yeah.
>> So what do you do about it?
>> What do you do about it? Well, yeah, I cut down the greenhouse gases.
>> And how do you do that?
>> And one of my lines is, nobody can do everything, but everybody can do something.
One of the things that I do, I drive electric vehicles.
And I never have to fill up with gas the rest of my life. And my car, I guarantee is as fast as a Porsche. You should see it merging the traffic on I-95. It flies.
And very few parts, so hardly anything goes wrong with it. Prices are coming down.
Then you have solar energy and wind energy.
But nobody owns the sun.
So who's going to make a profit on that?
You you're going to make a profit selling oil and gas and byproducts of all that.
>> Well, I think I think one of the aspects is you you should do your due diligence.
I you know, we'd be remiss if we say there are all sorts of people espousing all sorts and some have good intentions and some have bad. So it you know, we never look at our own check everything and make a a balanced In fact, even you, Learned Hurricane Schwartz, people should not take every They should do I am sure you encourage people to explore everything. You have a long history in this, so you are certainly someone who carries a a bit of um uh of of a respect when it comes to this.
>> That is one of the reasons that I do this because my name is known to a lot of people in this area, but it's kind of amazing. I'm getting uh followers from Canada and >> [laughter] >> and out west and everything. But, the I'm somebody that hopefully that they've grown to trust and respect and to know that I'm not a hype artist. Um I'm not in it for the clickbait. Right.
I'm in it to help the science advance.
And what's happening at the same time that this climate it keeps getting worse and worse is and there are fewer people getting to talk about it. CBS, their whole weather climate division is gone.
NBC, their climate reporter had to quit because there was so much pressure on him. ABC doesn't do it anymore.
>> you are.
>> Well, it's you know, people have to get involved in it. More people, especially who are familiar with the science and also can communicate. My my new slogan that I am sort of took from one of the famous climate scientists, former great Stephen Schneider, it's not crying wolf.
It is a wolf.
And we have to treat it like that.
>> Well, you've got your platform to definitely share this information and uh you're in with a great guy, Nor'easter Nick, and tonight is when the first episode is going to air. Uh so, or is it currently out and available right now?
>> Well, there's some stuff on uh the site already. I've written some blogs as well, and the link itself is norcast.tv/hurricane.
I'm also on Tik Tok with these videos at hurricane.sports.
Um you can email me. I respond to comments on the Tik Tok, and I'm going to be on all of Nick's platforms one place or another, and it's just an honor, really, to work with him.
He is a aside from being a interesting guy, >> He is.
>> Yeah, he's a very responsible forecaster, and I appreciate and and respect that.
>> I'm glad you guys have gotten together.
It's really cool, especially for him cuz he was inspired by you, so I love it. Uh well, listen, man, it is great to catch up with you. I'm glad you're doing something that makes you this happy, and uh and you know, uh you're you're still you're you're your shadow looms large here in Philadelphia without question.
>> All right, let's make that a bigger shadow. I'm willing to talk to groups anywhere.
I want to spread the word.
>> Just make sure they've asked you.
>> [laughter] >> And we're going to play your theme song on the way out, so >> Oh, okay.
>> All right.
>> Got to do some greens for him. [music] All right, Glenn >> Hurricane Sports Gang.
>> There it is.
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