Politics is fundamentally about power and identity, not abstract ideology; the state is a mechanism and battleground where groups compete for control, and political effectiveness comes from building collective power through loyalty and organization rather than ideological purity. The key to political success is understanding that organized minorities can defeat unorganized majorities, and that political action requires focusing on who you represent and what policies serve your constituency's interests, rather than getting lost in ideological debates.
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Identity Politics (Ep. 110): The Movement IRL (Livestream)Added:
Oh god, is it good to be back? Welcome to Identity Politics everyone. I am Kevin Deanna. Back from Europe, back from the fatherland, back to regularly scheduled programming. I want to begin by saying I know I have a lot of catching up to do with communications, interview requests, and everything else.
We're going to be increasing content really soon, getting another stream going each week, probably on Monday.
We'll see where it goes from there. And of course, the only reason we can do any of this is because of your support, and I can't thank you enough for that. Now, the whole point of this show, in just a few words, is developing a collective white political consciousness, a white political voice. Education, red pilling, spreading the message, whatever stupid thing you want to call it. Yeah, it's necessary, sure, but it's literally the least you can do. Ideological belief can be good. I I was going to say that it is good, but not enough in itself. But even that's not really true. Sometimes it can actually be worse. I want to talk about some of the stuff that's going on here, what I took away from being over there.
But I think we need to go over some basic points. And the first and most important thing is we really don't need to outthink ourselves with all this stuff. Like let's all just calm down with the ideas and the abstractions and everything else. Let's just relax and think about this for a little bit.
People talk about ideology and metapolitics and discussion and debate and all the rest of it, but at the end of the day, I just don't think it's that important anymore. I mean, look around the country. Forget like, oh, Jews have more political power collectively than I do. Somalis have more collective political power. Palestinians have more collective political power. Indians have way more. Muslims have way more.
Are are these people smarter than us?
Did they hammer out some grand political theory that allows them to work more effectively? Or do they just intuitively understand that all politics is identity politics and they work for their group interests? I mean, it's pretty straightforward. Well, the system works in their interests. Okay. But when you look at the collective resources that we as whites have, the numbers, the connections we intuitively possess by simply being the core population of the country, this should all balance it out pretty quickly if we wanted it to. The problem is we just don't want it to. I referred to this in the conclusion of the show last night. Even billionaires, even the people who run everything, even billionaires, even when there's a direct threat to their interests, like having to pay more, they can't think of anything to do but like move away. It's a serious problem in the sense that we lack people with the means and will who actually want to win. There's just like a loss of vitality among our people as a whole, rich, poor, whatever. And the other side, frankly, does not have this problem. Maybe their neuroticism is a kind of superpower. I mean to give you just one example and it's a normie conservative example but it makes the point. So in Georgia there are these judicial elections. Now until basically this year these were nonpartisan contests. Nobody really voted. The point of being a judge is to just enforce the law. Why run, right? Like who cares?
What changed? Well, you may remember that they tried to bring a case against President Trump in Georgia and it fell apart because of insane corruption.
Black prosecutor had a sexual relationship with this deputy appointed to the case. You had all these obvious problems with it. We don't need to reitigate it. The judge dismissed it.
Obviously, the takeaway from the people who matter though was we need to replace the judges. We can't ever allow this to happen again. We need to have judges who view the law as a weapon for punishing enemies, not as a system for discovering the facts. And yeah, when you're talking about ways like the system can actually affect you, power can actually affect you. I don't have to worry about that.
Yeah. Well, when you're sitting before a judge who's in office because she's biased, you're probably screwed. And people who believe that the law should operate this way, they get to win. They get to rule you. Doesn't matter how well you fight. Doesn't matter how much you lift. Doesn't matter what you believe.
Those people get to rule you. What are we going to do about that? Now, I've basically been involved at some level with what you might call white identity politics since what, like 2006, maybe before that in college, if you count like racially aware libertarianism is something. And there have been a lot of people over the years who have agreed with me at one point or another. And so much of what we do is just well, you know, we just need more people to agree with us. Mr. Taylor says this all the time. We just need more people on our side to agree with us. So what do we do?
Read this, watch this, write this thing, host this debate, whatever else. But the problem is most people don't really care about that kind of thing. They go based on vibes. They go based on on social cues. They go based on, well, who's prominent, who's wealthy, how does it benefit me if I believe these things?
They don't really take ideas seriously.
So, if you're trying to just to do numbers, that's not even the way to go about it. I mean, three points. True.
One, an organized minority always beats an unorganized majority, right? Like elite theory 101. So, even if you have a mass of people who agree with you, that doesn't really mean anything in political terms. Two, no matter how strongly you believe in something, that doesn't really matter in a political context. A lot of times 10 people who are ideological fanatics mean less in an election than say a 100 people who vote based on vibes or whatever else. The average swing voter, you know, the people that the politicians really care about that they cater to every election, they don't have an ideological core at all. They don't have any core convictions. It's just sort of vague impressions. I like the way this guy looks on TV. This guy is mean. This guy looks nice. And these people are catered to by every campaign in the country. So what does that tell you? And three, the biggest question is whether being ideologically hard or pure or strong or whatever else necessarily means that you're politically more effective. That does not necessarily follow by itself.
Being in esoteric books or having some idiosyncratic political or metaphysical theory, it doesn't mean anything. It's just hobbyism, right? I mean, it's like being really good at Hearts of Iron 4 or something. That's fine as far as it goes. It's good to have hobbies. There's nothing wrong with it. It's good to be in the stuff, but if it doesn't translate into any kind of real political power, what good is it? Why bother? I mean, to pick a fight here, give me 10 Fox News watching boomers who will at least show up to a city council meeting or vote in a board of election, low turnout election ahead of 50 ideologically hardcore guys who are going to give me well-reasoned urodide explanations about why everybody else's efforts are doomed to fail. What good are those guys? I mean, for me, and you could call this somewhat blind or shortsighted, the point of political action is to take control of the state.
Everything else is secondary. The state is a mechanism. Doesn't have a will of its own. It's a tool. It's a mechanism and it's a battleground. And when you have it, you can use it to impose new conditions. Society readjusts to power.
Vanishingly few people really are in a position to exercise power in this society. And that should make you feel good. That is a white pill. a white pill because it doesn't take that many people to use it to have at least some kind of level of state power over it and use it over other people. And the state is a battleground for 99% of us. Where we can do the most good is where we are right now. Where you live right now. That quote I go back to over and over again.
Bonito Mussolini, by the way, visited his tomb while I was in Italy. One does not deny one's country. One conquers it.
And aside from geopolitical or geographic interests, which tend to be the same no matter who's running any particular country or regime, there's no inherent character in terms of ideology to any particular country. I used to believe that. I no longer do. The country that was held to be inherently conservative or right-wing for scholars for centuries or whatever else, it can flip overnight. I mean, look how quickly Catholic Spain was basically turned into its negation within a century. You know, Catholic Spain is currently passing a law to make it illegal to criticize the Prophet Muhammad. They're debating this right now. Like a thousand years of history just wiped out. That's how quickly you can do this thing. I mean, on paper, you look at Canada. Canada should be way more conservative in some sense than America. Explicitly built on loyalism, good government and order instead of freedom and equality. No Declaration of Independence, no stupid comments from Jefferson. All these institutions persist that are still linked to the old order. In theory, it should be right-wing and based. But what happens? The top gets subverted. The entire national character essentially changes on a dime. And this can happen even in a country that doesn't change its regime. Think of China. Think of the People's Republic of China. Under Ma, China was dedicated to the destruction of the so-called four olds. Old ideas, old culture, old customs, old habits. It was basically like 2020 on steroids. It was just at war with its own past. And they were the most hardline. They were opposed to Soviet revisionism. We're going to take the hardest line on everything, uncompromising communism.
Fast forward a few decades. None of that is true. China is one of the few countries in the world that takes its own history seriously. And yeah, I know it's still technically a communist government. Yeah, I'm not pretending it's our friend. But look, I mean, it's just us here, right? Let's level with each other. If you want something that's probably the closest to national socialism, like actually existing in the world today in a major power, not the same thing, but certainly some common elements, it's the People's Republic of China. Down to a new law it just passed called promoting ethnic unity and progress. This is the same regime Hassan [ __ ] is shilling for. By the way, everybody is a fascist for the people they actually like. Everybody knows far-right policies are actually good if you want a group to be stronger. You're only opposed to them if you want that group to be weaker. There's no mystery about any of this. We don't need to debate it. We all understand this. I mean, on X today, somebody was pointing out, look, you know, Indians tend to support far-left parties in the country they've moved to, but they have a far-right government in India. Yeah, of course they do. That's that's perfectly logical. Why wouldn't you do that?
That's the right thing to do. You want to weaken the host populations you live among. You want to weaken their will.
You want to weaken their identity. You want to take their stuff, but you want to gatekeep the country you actually care about. Obviously, that makes perfect sense. The Indian government, by the way, explicitly talks about using its diaspora population as a way to strengthen itself domestically.
Explicitly modeled, and this is their words, not mine, explicitly modeled on what Jewish populations do. Again, that is perfectly logical. Why would you not do that if you didn't hate your own group? Obviously, you would do that, but we don't.
Why? Now I can say we should that whites should, but it seems whites just don't operate in these kinds of terms.
Generally speaking, you have to have we have to have the sort of universal moral order that whites need to abide by. We have to justify somehow in some cosmic sense a right to ensure our own survival. Nobody else is like this. And you can say, "Look, it shouldn't be that way. We just need to be harder and more ruthless." Okay, but we're probably not going to be. This just seems to be how it is. Even when whites were racist, if you look at the kinds of arguments that were used to justify the great European empires, it's remarkable how often it was it's for their own good. We have to uplift the native population. It's for their it's our duty. It's for their own good. It's to bring them up to where we are. It's never because we can because it's good to be strong because it's good for its own sake. We never talk that way. It's like we're just incapable of being cynical or selfish collectively.
And that may be a weakness.
This is why we're able to build societies that aren't just like one big giant scam effort like India. This is why we can build high trust societies.
This is why until very recently the rule of law wasn't just a punchline. It meant something. But this is also why we're being wiped out now. And I think at some level it's because we need to come up with some elaborate ideological explanation or detailed breakdown of the mechanisms leading to our destruction.
Yeah, there's a role for that. It's not entirely useless, but do we really need to talk about it again? Do I really need to do like a three-hour live stream on like, well, when you see Oliver Cromwell did this? Like, we all know it's pretty straightforward. Here are these hostile groups that are using the system for their own benefit against us. They donate to their own. They campaign for their own. They build their own organizations. They vote for their own.
They protest for their own. They put pressure on other institutions for their own. It's simple as that. So, let's break down what is to be done in extremely simple terms. What are we talking about here? How do you get a group of people who are actually willing to do things in the real world to build collective political and economic power and ultimately take over the state and then use that to impose a new cultural, social, and economic order?
That's it. That's the game. How to do that? That's pretty damn hard. But what we're talking about when you break it down in simple terms, it's very straightforward. Education is fine. But one of the most important things that we can do is simply normalize the idea of white identity as a positive natural thing. This is still going to be something of an uphill struggle, but we are getting somewhere. And at some level, people know what's in their own best interests. It's just giving them a kind of moral permission to do it. I mean, that's the immediate goal. So, as part of this, my boss Jared Taylor spoke at Salisbury University in Maryland, I think just a couple days ago. Now, it was interesting because the people who invited him were actually the college Republicans. You don't see this very often. Now, it became something of a conflict, I've been told, between the state Maryland Republicans and the College Republicans. Now, what's funny about this is the Maryland Republicans have basically been removed from all power. The Democrats, you will recall, cut a deal with the Republicans in Indiana not to gerrymander political minorities out of their congressional district and then the Maryland Democrats reneged on it. So now they just have no power whatsoever. So the wipeout has already come from Maryland Republicans.
But what are people in the state party doing? Well, we can't offend the few people we have left. We can't offend the few people we have left. You have no power. What difference does it make?
You're free to do anything. But has this minority status radicalized them? Has this made them more based? Is accelerationism bearing fruit even in this like small case example? No, of course not. They're more defensive than ever. But I digress. The youth are not.
Now, there were no incidents. There was heavy security. But Jared gave his speech. The Baltimore Sun ran under the headline, "White nationalist speech at Salisbury U draws heavy security protest." Listen to the framing here.
Quote, "White nationalist advocate Jared Taylor came to Salisbury University on Wednesday behind metal barricades, metal detectors, and a heavy police presence while hundreds of protesters waited in the rain to make sure his message of racial separation did not pass quietly through the Eastern Shore." Now, stop there again. Look at the frame. Metal barricades, metal detectors, there's police everywhere. As if Jared Taylor is like the threat of violence here. as if he's leading like a column of stormtroopers to burn this university to the ground because that is what the journalists want you to take away from this. But the protesters stood in the rain. The courage brings a tear to my eye and they made sure the message of racial separation did not pass quietly.
So you see the double game. They're standing up against the fascist threat against violence. Now of course we all know where the violence is actually coming from. students behind the barricades booed nearly everyone who entered Devilbus Hall. Now, that's a kind of revealing thing, don't you think? Simply going to the speech means that this group booze you. But of course, the journalists like this, too.
Where Taylor spoke in a campus lecture hall behind more security and a sign-in table. The event organized by Maryland College Republicans President Colin Mcvers was a makeup date after the university canled an earlier appearance over reported safety concerns. Now, let's stop there. Safety concerns from whom? Due to whom? They always play this game, right? Like, oh, there are safety concerns. A controversial speaker came.
Now, we're worried about safety. Yeah.
Where are the threats coming from? Is the clan kicking in the windows or something? No, we all know where the safety concerns are coming from. We all know who's making the threats. The school does, too. The police does, too.
The journalist does, too. But the journalists support it. And so they always play this game where they just sort of hint darkly that there are these mysterious forces at work, but they never come out and say it. But we know what's really going on. And there is a policy consequence here. This isn't just bias. The reason why this matters, and you know this if you ever did anything on a college campus, is because when they do these kinds of arguments, the school uses this as an excuse to charge a group hundreds of thousands of dollars in security fees. So the way the game is played is the antifa threaten you for inviting a speaker and then you have to pay ruinous security fees because other people are threatening to beat you up or kill you and this is how they shut down speeches.
Same thing here. Now back to the article. University spokesperson said no incidents were reported Wednesday night.
In this case it seems like the school at least protected everybody who was going.
Outside, students said Taylor's presence tested the campus community that they worked to build. Now, stop there. Again, whenever the word community is invoked, there's no actual community. This is the most overused word today. There is no such thing as an actual community. When people use this word, it's just a collection of officially subsidized and designated groups that are part of the status quo power arrangement. And here's the proof. quote, "We are out here to protest the white supremacist on campus," said Emily Organista, vice president of the Organization of Latin American Students. "We fight really hard to make a community for everybody here on campus, and he just spouts hate."
This is Jared Taylor we're talking about. Here you have a member of an ethnic identity group, of an officially designated ethnic identity group. She's got her little reservation. She's got her little officially sponsored group.
Why? Because she's a mascot. But it's hate when members of the one group that doesn't enjoy what's essentially corporate sponsorship dares to speak up.
Then it's just hate. You can't even express it. It's just hate. It's not even speech. And this gets uncritically magnified by the journals. And that's the story that the boomers who still read the papers are going to take away from this. This is where we are. Now, I'm probably going to have some follow-up on this next week, including from the group that sponsored it. But, you know, we don't we're not here to just whine about the media and whatever else. It's dated, right? We already know all this and I know it's kind of fashionable to say, "Well, the we've gone so far. The youth are so radical now." But let's break it down into real terms. Let's think about this a little critically. These kinds of speaking events for Jared Taylor are relatively rare. And this is Jared Taylor we're talking about. By online standards, he's almost a leftist at this point, right?
Don't tell him I said that. Not for a lack of demand. There are a lot of people who say, "I would love to have you speak on campus." I've had people do this to me, too. say, "Oh, I would love to have you speak on campus. I I would love to have you for an interview. I'd love to do this. I'd love to do that."
But what do you need? You need a student leader to step up. He's going to need a faculty adviser to go along with it.
He's going to need to fend off the school screaming for money for security fees. The affirmative action students are going to whail about racism. The journalists are going to say, "People feel threatened." And in the back of his mind, that little voice is going to be telling him, "Am I ever going to be able to get a job when I get out of college when I do this?" It's a lot of pressure for a kid. It's no small thing that this happened here. It's no small thing that a college Republicans chapter did it.
Party winding notwithstanding. It's not like the Maryland Republicans are going to have that much influence for much longer anyway. So, this is a victory.
And while we're on the subject of party politics, I know you guys saw just a few days ago the Supreme Court basically gutted the Voting Rights Act, got rid of these gerrymandered racial districts in the South. Now, part of me mourns this.
Why? Because what really passes for comic relief in the House of Representatives where you see these like goofy blacks wearing cowboy hats and they they look like southern caricatures out of reconstruction that would make you like look in the textbooks when people drinking malt liquor out of shoes and stuff like that. That's basically who gets elected in these districts. I mean just an utter clown show. And now these people are going to be gone if if the red states in the south want to get rid of them because they could draw up maps that would give the GOP more seats, potentially save the midterms this year for the party. Obviously could do the save act, too. But of course, you know, and I know and they know and everybody knows they're not going to do that. They don't actually want to win. And I'm not saying this is judgment. I'm not trying to start a whole thing. But this is the problem, I think, with the whole punish the GOP idea. They don't care if they win or not. They don't actually want to wield power with very few exceptions. I mean, to them, politics is like what you do before you get the corporate lobbying job. This is the place you use to make money or use as a financial base. It's not about wielding state power. It's a fundamentally unserious organization.
It's not even really an organization.
It's just it's just a brand. It's just a label. I mean, maybe what we need is an actual serious organization. I mean, let's take an example. Alabama based Alabama. Oh, it's rightwing. Yeah. The governor is K. Ivy. This is literally an 81year-old woman. An 81year-old woman leading one of the more right-wing states in the union. And of course, what does she say? No redistricting. Nope.
We're not going to do it. Nope. Because what do they care? Oh, our Christian principles and true conservatism and we need to stand up. Hey, you could do this thing which would protect your constituents. Nah.
Do they believe in any of this? Now, some other states might do something differently. Who knows? But there's very little urgency from the GOP as a whole to try to hang on to the majority. They seem almost eager to lose. And I think Trump, whatever else his failings, and they're many, but whatever else you say about Donald Trump, I think he wants power. I think he wants to hang on to power. And I think that's a good thing given the circumstances. Now, unfortunately, the longer this stupid adventure in Iran goes on, the more oil prices go up. The longer that goes on, the more likely he sunk. Turns out when you turn over American foreign policy to Mark Levvin doesn't actually help America. Who could have predicted? Like Jared said, Trump administration basically an F on foreign policy with a few exceptions like Venezuela. High marks on domestic policy. Probably I'd give him higher marks than a lot of you guys would, but that's because I'm cynical and didn't really expect much.
And he's doing more or less what I expected and hoped for. It's definitely better than the first term. It's not even close, frankly. But who cares? I mean, Iran just kind of eats everything up. This is the situation that we're in.
It needs to end because there's a lot of other things going on and the real battleground has always been here. And as part of that though, we should take a step back. There is something larger going on which could work to our advantage in the long run. There's a bigger trend here. Years back, people talked about the big sword. What did they mean by that? You had people with different ideological views moving to the same areas and forming cohesive political blocks. So if you had different views, you would move to different places. You had people with the same views moving in the same places. And this is only intensifying.
This is happening all the time now. And as infuriatingly stupid as the GOP is, take a step back and look at it from the perspective of even a few years ago. The Voting Rights Act has been gutted. This is a direct attack on non-white political power. Under George W. Bush.
Not that long ago, the GOP unanimously supported the Voting Rights Act unanimously.
Now it's gone. It's not everything. It's not nothing. Big changes are preceded by smaller changes. And these changes are going to accelerate as generations change. I mean, let's talk about Republicans who are on the way out. May have heard of Ben Sass, Republican senator. Whole thing like, oh, principles, decency, Trump is a meany head, blah blah blah blah blah. Now, he's dying of cancer. I'm not here to pick on a dying man. I think he's a goober. But, you know, I'm not happy he's dying. I hope he gets better somehow. Obviously, he's not some existential enemy or something like that. But, he gives this interview like this is probably the last thing he's going to do in his public life. He gives this interview to the press and he's talking about the problems with America and he's talking about the big things we need to deal with. And he says the big problem right now is that the youth are spending too much time playing Candy Crush for dopamine hits.
I mean, leave aside for the moment the boomer narrative that like, oh, these young men playing video games, these young white men, we're going to get them off welfare because that's who's using everything. Like Candy Crush, could you be more out of touch? And and this is his message on death's door. I mean, we all have our own self-image and like to think we're all courageous and whatever else. Like, imagine you are told with absolute certainty, you're going to be dead in a week and you can tell and you're given a national platform. Like, forget telling off your boss or something. You're given a national platform. You can say whatever you want. You can do whatever you want.
Like, what are they going to do? Kill you? You'll be dead in a week. This is the one time where you can tell the truth. No holds barred. Go all out. This is your revolutionary message to the youth. And what do you say? You're playing too much Candy Crush.
These are the leaders of the right.
These people are on their way out. The polarization is only going to increase and the opportunities are going to be there in these red states because there's nothing there. It's a nullity.
It's pushing on an open door. But there is a time limit here because mass immigration is the way you break up these conservative areas, these right-wing areas. And even in states like Tennessee, they're shipping in the Congalles and whoever else. And those people are going to vote as a block. And the problem, of course, is that Father Friendly and Pastor Winom and whoever else, they're going to be there telling you it's your Christian duty to let these people in and quietly pocket the money from refugee resettlement.
Business lobby, same thing. What happened to Virginia is going to happen everywhere on a long enough timeline unless we take power in the relatively near future. Which brings us really to the question of a revolutionary right.
What does that actually mean? Well, while I was in Europe, I had the opportunity to think more about this.
So, I was at Casa Pound in Rome. Hardly secret about this. They have locations at plenty of other areas in Italy as well. Named after Ezra Pound can be rather ideologically idiosyncratic, but let's be honest, they're not backing away from Mussolini. And the Duche himself famously took up ideas from both left and right. Now, I would still put him on the right ultimately, but given what those terms meant back then, maybe he was beyond left and right. I would not concede that now because to me now left means anti-white, anti-western civilization. Full stop. So, you can't have a reconciliation of right and left because the left is defined by just eliminating you. Like, there is no common ground. We just have to smash these people. But when you talk about policies, when you talk about class, when you talk about economics, when you talk about the environment, when you talk about corporate policy, when you talk about foreign policy, yeah, I mean, we actually are liberated in some sense.
We can take whatever serves the national interest at this point. We're not wedded to some ideological abstract agenda to be true conservatives. We're not conservatives. We're nationalists. So, and Kasap, this is the Rome location.
When you walk in, there's a list of 88 names of people they've taken inspiration from over the years. You go up the stairs, you see the posters from the various symposiums and speeches and conferences they've held. And it's not just people on the right, obviously. I mean, yeah, you've got Eve, you've got Mousolini, you've got whoever else, but these aren't the names they took inspiration from, but they do symposiums on Sheay and Putin and whoever else. Pop culture. Pretty broad thing. One thing I didn't know, though, is it's not just, oh, well, we're talking about things.
Oh, it's it's an intellectual vanguard.
Oh, we're just doing metapolitics. No, they're getting people elected. Like, this is known as a fairly extreme group and they've got people elected. What's our excuse? Multiple locations, people run for office. Maybe not under the same name. They don't make it easy for the bastards, but they get their guys in there. So, here you have a group that on the surface is anti-system and is anti-system fundamentally, but they're still able to get guys in there. I mean, again, I do not concede the point that winning within the system concedes the legitimacy of that system. The left certainly doesn't believe that. That's not the way the right has historically taken power. Usually, you take power within the system and then use the system to dismantle the system. That tends to be how we win. I think it was yesterday, you may have seen one of these clickbait accounts, a video from Milan. There were these activists, and I always like the way the Europeans call activists. Activist is such like a gay term. They call them militants. I like militants a lot better. Has slightly edgier connotations in English, but whatever. It's an edgy show. Militants.
These militants do a ritual commemorating someone who was killed like half a century ago. And they're throwing up the Romans and saying his name and saying presente and everything else. Now, this is interesting. One of the last nights I was there, I went to a concert at a location where in January they did the same kind of thing. They do a big commemoration for three activists who were killed during the years of lead. Two by the Reds, one by the police. Same sort of ritual. You bring out the standard, you throw out the Romans, you say the guy's name, you say presente. You're you're giving people something broader than just mere political participation. It's almost like a religious ritual. I mean, this is why I commented on X yesterday. And I know some people were like, "What did he mean?" Look, on the European right, on the real right, you see them taking young people, you're getting them involved in a subculture based on loyalty and shared commitment and sacrifice and like blood oaths and like you're in this for life. This is who you are. This is your identity. You're a part of something bigger than yourself.
What the hell is on the online right in this country? Just this stupid crabs in a bucket mentality where people spread absolute [ __ ] Just total lies. Like things that they know are lies for clicks for clicks from the third world 90% of the time. Like actually undermining solidarity rather than building it. I mean again this presumption of defeat is just fatal.
Make money and then get out. That's how the online right operates. And that's just not a serious movement. In Germany, I saw some of the same things. Hanging out with some of these guys in one of the national student fraternities. I was seeing how they do things. You got the dueling. You've got the rituals. You've got this idea of the code of honor that's upheld between the different groups. How you handle it when that's violated. That's pretty important. I mean, if you have some sort of a ritualistic way to handle grievances and settle them as opposed to just talking [ __ ] endlessly online, that is objectively superior. And this is of interest to me because I've talked about the NSV on here before. The NSV, the NSV, I should say, is the I always like occasionally laps into the European pronunciation, which is funny because I like butcher it 90% of the time. The NSV is this Flemish student fraternity, which is in part based on these nationalist German student fraternities.
Now, where did these come from? You got to remember these were basically like underground nationalist organizations when they started in the 19th century.
And to some extent they still are, especially under the current kind of regime. Now, we don't need to belabor the point about what they've got going compared to what we have going here.
Jared Taylor just released a video and he said, and I'm just paraphrasing here, but he more or less laid it down at our feet, threw the gauntlet down. He said, "Look, the European nationals are years ahead of us in terms of IRL institutions." Now, as an American, you might say that's a bit unfair. Grass is always greener, right? Circumstances are different. You compare the mainstream political struggle here, compare what's been accomplished over the last 10 years. You compare that to Germany, I would argue we're probably ahead in terms of what's been accomplished in real terms over the past decade. That may change soon, but we haven't been doing nothing. And to make an obvious point, America is a big country. People are more mobile. Doing things in the country or the suburbs or outside cities make more sense. We don't have to deal with mass transit. We don't have to deal with a lot of these city environments. A lot of times we're an infinitely more lawsuit heavy culture which makes it harder to do some things. This is all true, but at a certain point it's all a cope. I mean, why is there not This was something one of the Kasa Pound guys said to me. Why is there not a nationalist bookstore anywhere in this country? Why is there not one right-wing bookstore? Why is there not one right-wing record store anywhere in America that I know of? Why is there not one nationalist pub bar?
It's crazy. I mean, I've been to I don't even know how many in Europe. They're they're everywhere. There's not one in this country. You have certain meeting spaces, yeah, that have been around for a long time. They're like, "Oh, there are these guys over here. If you come to this place, there's this group." Okay.
But they're all kind of underground and secret and you got to know a guy.
There's not just a place on the street that everybody knows about and just operates openly and this is just how it is and there's nothing anybody can do about it. There's nothing the Antifa can do about it. Are we really incapable of that? Is that too much to ask? I mean, yeah, we're getting started on intentional communities in this country, but those are few and far between, too.
Now, I'm not trying to black pill or shame people, whatever else. This is changing. We had Rob Rundo on here not long ago. I think active clubs are one of the most positive developments I've seen in a long time. Patriot front seems to be going from strength to strength.
By the way, for any idiotic Fox News conservatives who happen to be watching this, they were not mentioned in the SPLC thing. They didn't exist at the time of Charlottesville. So, put away the boomer silliness like, "Oh, they're controlled by the SPLC and the FBI and whatever else." No, obviously it's legit. Explicit white identity groups are obviously what's needed. It's a real thing. And there are all these other groups that are emerging. And you also see the birth of these fraternal groups, the Old Glory Club and whatever else.
This is all spreading everywhere. But at a certain point, it's not the same thing. At a certain point, it just can't be like secret meeting clubs and underground things and I know a guy who knows a guy and whatever else. At a certain point, it does have to be just, yeah, it's mainstream. Here we are. Deal with it. At best, we are catching up.
And really, I think the problem comes down to something more fundamental.
One, even though we as Americans have the reputation for being the ultimate pragmatists and we don't take ideas seriously and we don't think through ideology enough. You hear this from Europeans all the time. Maybe that's true in the deepest sense. But when it comes to practical politics, I think that's totally wrong. I think we're actually way too ideological. We define ourselves by these abstractions. We define ourselves by these stupid ideas that don't matter and have no resemblance to how any of us actually live and what we actually do in the real world. Like, this is all fantasy nonsense and it gets in the way of what we're actually trying to do. I mean, just normie Republican stuff. Oh, we can't do that. It would violate federalism. I oppose the state. The state has a will of its own. I'm a market anarchist. Well, I'm not really American. And I'm a German agrarian conservative from the Midwest who believes in Catholic social thought.
Like what are you talking about? Even even olitics. I mean, forget the e- politics. That's bad enough. But normally Republicans are even worse with this. Wrapping themselves in like ideological pretzels to avoid saying the obvious. Like you have a bunch of blacks like waving AK-47s around posting on Instagram and you have some 65-year-old boomer conservative saying, "Well, the Second Amendment applies to everyone.
like this has anything to do with it, like this has any resemblance to what's going on. It's about the people uniting against the elite, man. No, it's not.
And look at the corporate interests that are endlessly importing cheap labor, both legal and illegal. And then you have the people on the so-called right saying, "Well, we can't do anything about it. America's defined by the free market. We can't be a socialist." No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. We're done with this. We're done with it. I I'm I'm not even going to listen to it anymore.
We just have to step over all of it. We don't even need to argue with it. We don't need to confront it. It's just it's just noise. They're not even words.
It's just nonsense sounds. It's like listening to a toddler babble. We don't have to deal with any of this. When I say the left is anti-white and so you're on the right by default, yeah, it is partially to push back against this nonsense that like, oh, we can form an alliance with these people. No, it doesn't work that way. I mean, go go into one of their meetings. You let me know how that goes. Then maybe I'll change my mind. But that's not really the only point. It's also to kind of liberate you in terms of being able to think and in terms of policy. When we're discussing policy, we're talking about power, right? Politics is about power.
It's not like uh we're not playing Sim City or something. It's not about laying abstract lines and saying, "Well, this is what we're allowed to do and this is what will boost the GDP." No, that's what the conservative movement did for years. What has it gotten us? Politics is about who, not what. Who, not what.
Who? Not what. Identity. Identity.
Identity. Forget the Republican party.
There is no Republican party. It's not a thing. It's not a meaningful organization. Forget conservatism as a creed. Forget the labels. Think of it in real terms. Who who is it that is your potential mass base? Who is your constituency? Who are you trying to represent? Who could theoretically gain from someone like you? Yes, you. you right now gaining power, who would gain from that and who will support you for that reason?
That's what you should be thinking about. Everything else comes afterward.
And once you've thought about that, then you say, "Okay, what are the policies that I can support that will serve their interests and so serve my own?"
Now, we're talking about politics.
That's the way it flows. constituency first, identity first. Who, not what.
Now, I would say that the great unrepresented force is the white working class, especially in rural areas. There has been no outreach over the last decade. There's been no effort to politically mobilize them. And all this despite the fact that leftists are basically right. Rural areas are tremendously politically over represented in America. Like, it's just money on the table. It's right there. I mean, the media markets are so much cheaper. You can do so much. You don't need that many people. It's all just like right there. And they don't even try. Like, it's just there, man. But when we talk about things like socialism, capitalism, free markets, big government, small government, the constitution, these things are just gone. We're past all that. That died with white America. Sorry. It's gone.
Now, it's an age of identity politics.
The question is this. Who will govern the state?
Who's going to be the base of power for that new elite? Who will determine what America will be? Who is an American? Who does America belong to? Who? Who? That's the only question that matters. So, make these things personal because that's what politics is really about. And this goes for political action, too. You want to talk about what defines the so-called far right and it's well we're not going to get into ideology and the rest of it.
Fine. What really defines the far right?
How do you define it in a word?
Loyalty.
Loyalty to an ideal. Loyalty to a nation. Loyalty to a people. Yeah, those are all good things. But really, and more important than any of that, it should be loyalty to people. People you have an oath to. People talk about loyalty to a principle as somehow higher than loyalty to an individual. I disagree with that entirely. Well, I'm true to the idea. Well, you know what?
I'm true to my friends. And I think that's more important. Loyalty matters when it's to an individual, to a real person, because that's the only time the stakes are real. People say, "Oh, there's no political solution." No, of course there's political solution. There may not be an electoral solution. There may not be a system solution. There may not be a solution where America survives. I don't concede that, but that may happen.
But that's not the same thing as saying there's no political solution because anything that has to do with people with people together, yeah, that's political.
You and your friends together, that's a political situation. You're talking about doing something together, yeah, that's politics. And if you want to talk like real political questions, it's not whatever your stupid principles are, cuz I don't care the political questions I'm interested in. If I'm in trouble and I need 10 dudes at my house within the hour, can I do that?
or okay, let's not be so apocalyptic.
I'm running for something. I'm running for board of ed. Do I have 10 people to help me knock on doors? I'm trying to get a business going. I'm trying to start a website. I'm trying to start a brand, whatever. Do I have 10 people, 10 people who can give me $500 each?
No. You don't have yes to any of those questions? Maybe you're not going to overthrow the government. Maybe you should think about having 10 people before you start getting excited about everything else because these are the actual political questions. This is what we need to be thinking about. How do you build that? So, there was this lawyer involved with Kasa Pound. I interviewed him over there and he wrote a book. It was kind of a novel, but I actually didn't understand it was a novel at first because it was the kind of novel that you can tell was based on things that probably happened. I thought it was more of like an actual history that this is what I went through. But it's a novel, right? And one of the things in the novel is it's talking about the cost of pound guys and how occasionally they get attacked on the street and everything else. And one of the things that really stuck with me is there's essentially a rule that if and when you get attacked, you don't retreat. You don't retreat no matter what. Like sometimes you're just going to get beat up. You don't retreat no matter how outnumbered you are. But here's the thing. It's precisely that irrational stance that sometimes lets you win. like that audacity actually carries you through and in a weird way it actually makes you safer. And so being irrational is actually the rational thing to do.
The irrational loyalty is the most rational choice. Those who loveth their life shall lose it. That kind of thing, right? Or Eve saying that political order based on a supernatural principle is the only legitimate traditional one.
In other words, the only one that's actually going to work in the real world. It sounds counterintuitive. It sounds like literal madness, but it's not. And the thing is, loyalty is irrational in some ways because ideas don't let you down. That's why loyalty to an idea, I mean, it sounds great, but it's easy because you can always redefine whatever clever argument to say, "Oh, I'm loyal to the idea." Yeah.
Because an idea by definition can't let you down. An idea can be perfect. People will let you down. Life gets in the way.
People get tired. They get sick. They change their mind. They lose faith. Love fails. All the people cheat. People betray. money gets in the way. All these things happen, right? But ultimately, the only thing that actually matters, despite all that crap, the only thing that actually changes anything, anything in the world, are groups of people who more or less unconditionally help each other. And they help each other build power and they brace their spears against the rest of the world and they hold the line and that's how you win.
And if you have enough of those groups working together, you take the whole thing. Like that's how a movement actually works. No system can stand against that. No ideology can discredit that. You don't even have to listen to these attempts at deconstruction. It doesn't matter if people in your group disagree about this or that specific thing. You don't come up with the perfect ideology and then you automatically get to win. It's a question of loyalty. It's a question of people. What matters to me is not so much what you think, but what you bring to the table. And here's the key, guys.
We're really going to need to start thinking about these kinds of things really soon. We as a movement, for better or worse, we are going to discover really soon what it's like to have power really coming after us. We are going to be cut off very soon from a lot of the things that we've been enjoying the last few years. I keep saying we actually are in the golden age right now. Not because things are so great, but because things are probably going to get a lot worse. We've got basically these last few years to get things together. We could care less about what people think. I care more about what people can do. And don't talk to me about your ideology. I mean, yeah, it can be fun or whatever else, but I don't care that much. Once you've read enough books, you understand why people used to burn books. The answer to hatred is loyalty. The answer to dispossession is unity. When we get that, we win. And the rest, we'll figure it out later. And that's all I got to say. Good to be back, guys. Now, I want to hear what you guys have to say. Get into it. Oh, yeah.
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Randall flag $2 disagree slight with saying mainline China is the most fascist maybe the great postworld war II powers they are becoming so but as it stands right now Singapore is the most fasy nation overall oh I'd concede that but they're not exactly a great power I mean I think I had said like big country but Singapore also I mean again now we're we're getting ideology right after I said we shouldn't do that Singapore is not really fascist in the sense that it doesn't really it doesn't really prioritize the masses participation in politics and I think that's sort of a core element of fascism. I mean that was like Evelyn's criticism of fascism because Singapore is more like no we have like this ruling class and you stay within the lines you can make your money. You have your your private life and whatever else but politics isn't really your purview if you're an average person. Fascism is more like no the masses are united.
We're all moving together for a national cause and everything else. And I would say that actually does sound a lot like the way the People's Republic of China operates.
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Randall flag $2. Speaking of campus activism, rumor is Turning Point USA is withering on the vine under the purview of Erica Kirk. Hate to admit it, but Tyler Robinson might have accomplished his mission as it stands. Oh yeah. Oh, 100%. The assassination of Charlie Kirk was the most successful act of political activism in the last 5 years. It's not not even up for debate. Overwhelming political success for the left. No consequences whatsoever. Hell, he'll probably get acquitted.
Joe Kent will testify for the defense.
Randle flag $2. Some economists on Twitter have forecasted that since the US has transitioned from a manufacturing economy to a service economy to a service industry, I should say. The future USA will become a sort of playground for the global nuvo rich.
Yeah. Although I think we might be too bad too big for that. I mean if you had sort of a I think the global playgrounds will be sort of like Dubai or something like that. These sort of small tightly controlled areas where you have cheap labor but they can't vote. They don't really have any political power and we're going to essentially manage it and investment is going to flow from elsewhere and this will be the playground. America's too big. It's too unruly. And also at some level, and I think they learned this when Iran started hitting them with missiles and stuff, power still matters. Geopolitics still matters. You still need great powers to sort of enforce order. And Dubai loses a lot of its luster when all of a sudden you remember, oh yeah, it's in the Middle East and this is a dangerous neighborhood. And if America can't topple Iran right away, then if you're an investor, maybe I don't want to live in an area where I might my hotel might get hit by a drone the next time we have one of these stupid religious debates. I mean, you you essentially need an area that's beyond politics for this to work. I think Singapore that's why Singapore is so attractive to so many people.
Another $2 from Randle Flag. Federal voting is a mixed bag, but local elections still matter. Agreed. Emran has long encouraged our guys to run for local elections. The hardest part is getting into office and not actually doing your job. Yeah, I would actually strongly encourage everybody who's watching this to at least explore the maybe not you if you've been doxed or whatever, but at least look around your community and say like, well, what can I realistically do here? You have no idea how low turnout a lot of these races are. I mean, I've seen people in my own life just on a whim be like, "Oh, I'm going to run for board of ed." And they win. You're like, "Well, what does it matter?" Well, it matters quite a bit because who do you think determines what textbooks get ordered, what the curriculum looks like, where the grants go to? Like, there's a lot of money at stake here, man. I mean, look at it this way. You could start a business and you could work really, really, really hard and maybe one year, five years in the future, if you succeed and you put in, you know, 12-hour days every week for forever, then you'll make $100,000, right? Or you have a company and your friends on the board of ed give you an $100,000 grant and you just get it because you have a textbook that they decide is better for educating the youth than whatever they're using now. Like why why do you think the other side has so much power and money? It's because they work harder. No, it's because they get our money and they get to spend it on whatever they want. Like this is what it's about.
Well, I don't want to take other people's money. Well, think of it as like a tax refund. I mean, you're already paying these people, right? You might as well try to get some of it back.
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I'll start the bookstore. Someone else do the pub. When we get Kevin elected, we'll need somewhere to drink. Yeah, we will.
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Diego Husman, $2. Should we accept LGBTQI whites? I swear the acronym grows like every single day. Should we accept LGBTQI whites, Azakenazi Jews, Albanians, white passing Hispanics, etc. if they're pro-white? The guys here want me to fire my Jewish manager. Glad you're back, Kevin.
Well, it depends on the circumstances, I would say. I mean, if you if you have like one of these group fraternal groups that we're talking about, you know, if you're talking about a group where you basically need like unconditional loyalty to everybody else, you got to have pretty high standards, right? I mean, if if the question even comes up, the answer is no. In terms of like, oh, we're we're starting an active club, we're starting a fraternal group, we're starting a whatever, like, yeah, there there really can be no compromise there.
You got to be like, no, this is how it is. But you're in the workplace, you're in political action. I mean, it would sort of like be saying, you know, we're talking about elections, right? I'm running for board of ed.
And somebody says, well, you know, a a black guy says like, I'm going to vote for you. Should I tell him, no, I don't want your vote. Like, that's an idiotic stance to take. I mean, the goal is power, right? And there are different ways that that needs to be exercised. If you're talking about your private life, you're talking about the people you share the most commitment to, I think you want as high standards as possible.
whether not because I want to spur out about this or that thing because you don't want any questions in your own mind and you don't want any questions in anybody else's mind. But if you're talking about the marketplace, you're talking about elections, you're talking about running a business, like what you're going to hunt down every single contractor you do business with and make sure they're not gay or something. Like how would that even work? So that would be my answer to that. And it's the same thing if we had a business. Like you got a bookstore, a Jewish guy comes in to buy a book, like what? tell them to leave. Like one, I mean, you'll get sued if you do that.
Two, you're not going to is money don't spend. I mean, we have to be realistic about this, but there does have to be a point of ultimate foundation, and I think at that point, you need to have the standards as high as humanly possible. And those are the people you count on the most.
you know, as far as Amaran goes, certainly when you think about like people who speak and everything else, I mean, there are non-whites who come to the American Renaissance Conference, like the I think as a 501c3, you're actually not even allowed to exclude people. I mean, that's part of the deal as being a educational foundation recognized by the IRS or whatever it is. So, this is just how it is. And we do live unfortunately in a society where we are bound by certain arrangements of power. And so you do have to stay unless you are making the decision that you are going to run a group that is somewhat outside of the rule of law, you're going to have to color within the lines as far as that stuff goes. And I mean as far as public debate, as far as like this show is concerned, as far as the books I can read or the ideas I can consider, I get really impatient when people say, "Well, no, you can't consider that because this guy's whatever." It's like, "No, I'm going to read whatever I want. I'm going to talk to whoever I want." I mean, there's no compromise on that, but that doesn't mean that they're fully on my side. I'll work with whoever will work with me if I think it can advance my goals. And I think that's a reasonable stance to take.
Yeah. Don't let Dash come to Amaran again. I wouldn't worry about that.
Colin, let's go back and uh go over some of these comments. Ice Milkshake tornado.
Please share your thoughts on the Supreme Court. I think I did. That was the uh Voting Rights Act thing. So, I hope I answered your question on that.
Red pilling the masses have been more of a liability than an asset.
I think that too sometimes.
Oh, this is a really nice thing to say.
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Imagine how bad it is if you're in the disorganized minority. Yeah, we see Mac MDJ. Welcome back, KD. Love the Italy content, brother. Curious how aggressive or not the nons were in the touristy areas. pretty freaking aggressive. Pretty freaking aggressive.
You saw the thing. I actually He wasn't there at the same time I was, but I saw uh Nick was there like right after I saw I haven't watched like all the stuff, but I did see like the one where he's like at a McDonald's or something and someone trying to scam him into one of these parking things. I mean, you saw that kind of stuff everywhere. The nuns are Yeah. The Indians. The Indians more than anybody.
What's that?
Maybe maybe that'll be protected content.
We almost we almost started the jihad.
Jeango and changed. I play Victoria 3 actually aristocratic choice. Oh, dro Boomer is a large part of the problem. Hate commander social cues peer pressure are valid approaches. We just have to have people working all vectors at the same time. Right. And this is something I think a lot of people don't understand.
There's this idea like, oh, well, this this guy's part of this class. This guy's taking this approach. This guy works with these people, and I don't like these people. It's going to take, it's not just that it takes different approaches. It's that it takes contradictory approaches. It takes approaches that in theory shouldn't work together at all. What you need is just sort of open avenues of communication between on the back end where people can be like, "Okay, we're all ultimately getting somewhere in the same direction and let's try not to have a complete civil war all the time." But that's really all you can ask. I mean, this is why it's important not to start fights for no reason.
The white pill is also the fact that the system is so unsustainable that the fiscal end to deny. The problem is that they'll leave us the ashes. Maybe. But I've been hearing this my whole life. I mean, I'm I am old and I'm old enough to remember Ross Perau. I'm old enough. I mean, I was a kid, but I still remember it. And I remember people talking about the debt. I remember, oh, there's going to be a collapse and everything else.
And the collapse never comes. I mean, Ron Paul, right? I mean, that was the whole, oh, the Fed and everything else.
And it's like, nothing's going to happen. I mean, ultimately, the foundation of America's fiscal power is I think it's military power. And I don't see any realistic prospect of that being disrupted anytime soon without a cataclysmic war. I mean, if we want to be honest about it, like the way the system collapses, the only way the system collapses is America gets involved in a real war, not Iran, but like a real war, uh, carrier goes down with all hands- on deck type war and loses. That's the only way like the system as a whole collapses. And there is certainly no guarantee that things get better for us after something like that.
All right, rand flag. Core white Americans face a very hard decision. And right now, Indians are exploding exponentially. Did you see there's more Indians in Australia than English people at this point? They vote 75% left, but the right and left loves them for cheap labor.
They are universally reviled. Well, they're not universally reviled.
Otherwise, the right and left wouldn't love them for cheap labor, unfortunately. But they're reviled by people who have to deal with them all the time. Uh certainly, they were really bad in Italy. I can say that.
Kevin, I think you said you were in Italy the last few weeks. How bad is the migration in Rome? It's pretty bad. It's pretty bad. I heard street thieves are barely tolerated now. Naples at this point is North Africa. I'm told. Well, I wasn't in Naples, so I can't say one more thing or the other. I was just in Rome and then some like Sienna and some other places. But I mean, for what it's worth, I didn't get robbed, if that's what you mean. So, I didn't I didn't see I didn't get robbed and I didn't see anybody get robbed. It was mostly just scams, you know. Oh, man. And I'm selling a bracelet. Oh man, do you want this phone charger? Oh man, I got a parking spot. You like all this kind of stuff. Just sort of like the IRL equivalent of endless spam calls from Dubai or whatever the hell it is.
Colony D. Riddle. Five weeks of war depleted 25 to 50% of most of our kinds of missiles. If a major war broke out with China or Russia, we would be FTBH.
Not because of tactics, just logistics.
Yeah. I mean, this is the problem with getting rid of your industrial base at a time when you're the hegeimon and need to fight wars all the time. I mean, this is the contradiction with the the American empire is that if you were actually serious about maintaining the empire, there would be a certain amount of necessary investment in industrialization and making sure you have a skilled and loyal workforce. But we can't do that. I mean, I think this is what ultimately brings down the empire more than any fiscal thing is that the way you make money in this country is basically by hollowing out once functional institutions. And these hollowedout institutions are not capable of the hard power struggles that are coming. And we're seeing this now. Now, I think the Trump administration to some extent gets this. You've seen them do a lot of things to try to reverse this over the last few years. there's a a return to a sort of grand strategy in the Pentagon, which we haven't really had for a very long time. But none of this makes a difference unless you're literally in power for 25 years. I mean, because it's just going to get undone.
And of course, the bigger problem is within the current conservative coalition. Leave aside Israel, leave aside the Middle East, leave aside Iran and and expending all our resources on that. Assume you didn't even do that.
You still have the problem that the core of the conservative coalition is basically capitalists who can't look past the next quarterly earnings report.
And so they're going to hollow out all these sorts of things. They they're not going to allow you to re-industrialize.
They're not going to allow you to bring production back home because they can make more money doing it overseas. This is why the the sorts of decisions that are good for boosting GDP and the sorts of decisions that allow you to win a war are not one and the same. I mean, if you look at how this country won World War II, won World War II, right? But if you look at what really was the arsenal of democracy, we don't have that anymore.
And if you look at the actual places in Pennsylvania and Alabama, the places that comprise the arsenal of democracy, these places are gone now. It's a serious problem. And if if I was in power, when I'm in power, first thing we're going to do is we're going to bring all that stuff back. And I don't care about the economy. It's a national security imperative.
How's it going? Keith Woods is kosher.
That's why you can travel. If you were a threat to the power structure, you wouldn't be able to travel all willy-nilly. Well, I don't know about that, but I will say this. Uh, I was definitely grilled by DHS when I came home a few years ago, and this time I wasn't. Uh, I think that it's also a question of who's calling policy from up top. I think that the policies of I mean I can't speak for Italy, God knows, and I certainly can't speak for Ireland, but as far as what's going on here, I think the the policies have definitely loosened up here in America as far as the rightwing goes.
And it's not even because I think there's been an ideological change. It's just a question of resources, right? You only have so much money and you only have so many people who can investigate crimes and whatever else or threats. And the question becomes, well, who do they consider to be a threat and where are they going to spread the resources around? And if you look at where they're spending the money when it comes to the FBI or some of the other law enforcement things, obviously the Trump administration has changed priorities.
Of course, that's probably going to change right back. So, we'll see if I can travel a couple years from now.
All right.
A lot of good comments on here.
There any more super chats? I want to make sure we don't lose any.
All right. Um I mean it is there's a lot of discussion right now about well where you draw the line on this group or that group. I mean look supporting working with whoever will work with you is not a bad rule to go by. It's just a question of who is your inner circle, right? And I I don't think you're misguided in wanting your inner circle to be as absolute and as gatekept as possible. But you got to do what you got to do.
All right.
Yeah, this this is something you see quite a bit.
My above comment is me reflecting, reminiscing how much they pushed it. Now churches in Chicago suburbs are being turned into moss. This is I suck at life, that's why. He's got a long username, but he's talking about how after 9/11, you had this non-discrimination against Muslims. And this is one of the biggest lies. We already covered this on the show. I brought the statistics about this where if you look at Americans opinions on Islam after 9/11, it actually got more favorable more favorable after the after the attacks. And it was among conservatives that the opinion of Islam went up the most. There's this idea and you hear this spread all the time that like no, you were allowed or even encouraged to hate Muslims after 9/11 and this was about justifying the wars in the Middle East and whatever else and it's part of this agenda. This this is not true at all. This is not true even in the slightest. First thing George W.
Bush did was talk about how Islam meant peace. Even the wars, if you think of like what the wars were about, how they were justified, they were justified on the grounds of, "No, we're bringing democracy to these people. No, these people are actually on our side. No, we're liberating these people. No, these people are our allies." Like, that's how it was justified. If it was a straight up like, "No, we're actually like waging a crusade."
Then it would have been more defensible.
I mean, it's actually a very straight line from George W. Bush saying Islam means peace to who's running New York City now. Islamic immigration skyrocketed after 9/11 because of 9/11.
I mean, I'll go further. If in the alt history where 911 is prevented, and it almost was, by the way, there was a guy who actually noticed one of the attackers and was about to stop him, but then he said, "I don't want to be considered a racist." And so, he went forward with it. But let's say that guy stops it. Of course, he would probably be thrown in jail for racism or whatever else, but you don't have the attacks.
You probably don't have as much Islamic immigration. You probably don't have any Islamic immigration at all. It's because they were perceived as the other. It's because they were perceived as a threat and we had to prove that were anti-racist that all these people were admitted. That's what happened.
All right.
Oops. Wrong thing. The flag $2.
It's such a wakeup call that Maloney had a heel turn one day on immigration. I remember Europe called her Mama Mussolini for a short time now. She may be voted out by a younger, hotter liberal thought. Well, this is the thing is this is the the steelman case against Trump, I would say, too. And again, I'm more favorable to him than I think a lot of people are these days, but that's cuz my expectations aren't that high.
One, when you take power on a certain kind of agenda, there's this idea that like, well, the voting base won't go away. You have people who supported you to say get rid of immigrants and those people are still going to be there even if you fail. That's not really true.
People will support a winner and if they support you and then you're in there, you only have a limited amount of time to carry out this agenda. You actually have to win. You have to like change the conditions. And if you don't, it's actually not a huge contradiction for people to go from xenophobic nationalism to multi-racial socialism within four years. And to some extent, if you don't bring in the returns, if you don't establish like a new dispensation of power, if you don't establish a new political order, I mean, this was Trump's biggest failing is the argument is, and I don't think this is true with Trump, but I'm willing to hear this out, and maybe this is true of Maloney, although I was surprised, frankly, with what a lot of the really hardline militants in Italy had to say about Maloney. They were way more favorable than I had expected.
But one of the things I would say is if you look at somebody like Trump, the argument would be this is the the steelman argument against him. It is better off if he doesn't win because then you still have this revolutionary potential and it can only be used and should only be used if you have somebody in there who has the will to carry out the whole thing. Otherwise, all you're going to do is you're going to get the reaction from the left, but you're not actually going to get the successful policy execution. Now, I do not think that is true, but that's a case to be made and that's certainly an argument to be had. And given the situation in Italy, I think that's more true of Maloney even than Trump because she's basically liberalized legal immigration.
And only now was she starting to say things like, "Oh, I'm going to use the Navy to stop all these boats coming."
Well, that's what you ran on. What took so long?
pretty great when she was like 20some though talking about elduche but I'm from New Jersey so what can I say I have a thing for farright Italian chicks wearing a leather jacket MAGA is considerably more liberal than in 2016 it's also considerably well I was going to say it's considerably bigger I think the movement is more liberal I think the policies from the White House are actually better than the first term. I mean, the Supreme Court case on birthright citizenship, that by itself, I mean, I don't think we're going to win that, but if you did, I mean, that almost justifies everything.
But certainly, if you look e even something like illegal immigration, which we already just take for granted that like, oh yeah, it's gone. Wasn't gone during the first term. Could have been done. I mean, after all, why do we why do we need the wall? What was the the whole point of it? It's not just to have a wall to look at and be like, "Well, that's nice." Although that's part of it, I guess. It's to stop the problem. Well, now the problem is stopped. Why couldn't that have been done the first term? Good question. But it has been stopped this time. Roll backs of anti-white discrimination. I mean, there's a whole even the roll backs on legal immigration, which aren't getting a lot of attention right now.
There's a lot going on. But again, to some extent, it doesn't matter when Iran just eats everything else. And that's what people are going to be thinking about going into the midterms.
Not because I think people who actually care so much about foreign policies adventures are dropping bombs, but they care about gas prices.
Rena flag Maloney is awful, but Italian politics is so crazy. It's no surprise she's still support. It's shocking she's still in power because when you think of all the governments beforehand, I mean, she's like one of the longest lasting governments in the post-war era and it hasn't been all that long. But that's how Italian and the Italian constitution is a nightmare which is what you'd expect when it basically gets imposed by the victorious allies afterward going. I'm just kind of picking comments at random. If there's any more super chats obviously I'll I'll go right to that.
There's no way within the system to fix this in time. We don't have time for politics. Well, I mean again define politics.
Maybe there's no time within the system to fix this possibly, but if you fix it outside the system, that's still politics. I mean, I realize that's semantics. The other question is how do you fix it if not within the system? I mean, again, I think that there's a case to be made for you get a certain amount of power within the system. You use that to change or dismantle the system. I don't think there's a way where the right the left maybe where the right can basically go we are outside the system and now we take over how in a cataclysm maybe but I mean at that point we're just sort of imagining hypothetical scenarios like yeah if there's if Yellowstone blows up and the government collapses and you and your friends ride to DC or something sure all sorts of things are possible but what are the odds of I mean maybe maybe it's happening right now. Who knows?
We are now in the discussion where Albanians are truly the biggest threat to the white race.
Albania is majority Christian now, which is pretty wild. I mean, you always think of that as there's actually a pretty long history of resistance there to the Ottomans and everything else.
How is your Italian non-existent? Are the real Italians friendlier now to real Americans after all this third world invasion? I mean, I thought the Italians were friendly, but I think I mean, I was obviously in a pretty selective group.
So, yeah, Diego, I think this is a good one to uh close on unless we got some more super chats. We need a strong pro-white executive that can rule for like 15 to 20 years. Yeah. Yeah, that's exactly right. I mean, that that is what it's going to take. It is going to there's not a way out of this without strong executive authority from the top. And people will say like, well, actually, you know, we're going to decentralize.
No, no, no, no, no. Somebody is going to win. Somebody is going to outlaw the political opposition. Unfortunately, it looks like the left has the will to do that. The right does not. And somebody is going to impose a new political dispensation. This is historically how it works in America. You had the revolution, then you had the civil war, and then you had essentially that political order in place until the New Deal, and now we have something else. I mean, basically, then you had the Civil Rights Act. As a lot of people have pointed out, the Civil Rights Act is essentially the real constitution right now. The Constitution itself really has nothing to do with how this govern this country is governed. And I think we're all just kind of waiting like what comes next. And unfortunately, if you look at where the western world is going, and I know the pope said like this is actually a good thing, but I disagree.
It looks a lot like what happened in Lebanon. I mean, Lebanon was basically a first world country. And now it's not because when you have massive demographic change, you essentially have massive political change and the institutions generally have to change with it. And a lot of people are going to be a position to lose a lot of stuff.
And we all know what happened in Lebanon where you had a massive civil war with all sorts of different people intervening and to some extent the country has never recovered from that.
Now is that where the western world is going? I hope not. I think we can prevent it. I think there is still time.
I think there remration is a realistic possibility in Europe. I think claiming power in America is a realistic possibility. There's a lot on the table.
I mean, this is sort of the thing that frustrates me is there's so much opportunity just like there. Like, well, what if we like what if we like got guys elected in all these areas where there's like so much power and so much money and it wouldn't take that much effort. Like, it's all there. Like, we could actually do these things. We could do these things like this year. And if we can do those things, then we can dream of bigger things. So, I don't want to just say like no, it's impossible because there's a lot that is possible. But we do have to consider the possibility that the entire Western world, it's not going to like go to South Africa overnight. It will probably look a lot like Lebanon.
And then things get really interesting.
I don't think there's even a state left where you can get away from hearing Spanish spoken. Well, you know, when I was in West Virginia, I didn't hear it very often.
All right.
Maybe Hawaii, but instead of Spanish, it would be island people grunting or Japanese. Yeah. Global $5 super chat.
Thank you. With loyalty to folk being the core motive fueling the evolution of the right, how can national socialism be approached or utilized proactively without scaring the normies or going full SS? Not ideal. Well, I think that I I I alluded to this a little earlier, but I think that where you are in terms of literally what country you're in and the culture that you're a part of is where you can do the most good. And the reason for that is because you know how to communicate to people within your own national tradition, within your own culture. I think that one of the problems with a lot of the movements that to some extent resemble more performance art than anything else is it's perceived as a foreign import. It's perceived as something that has nothing to do with average Americans. And you can say, well, that's not true and there's this ideology that does everything else. It's like, but okay. But that's not like the way you present yourself and how you communicate with ordinary people is just as important as what you say. I mean, let let's get right into it. If you think of national socialism in Germany in the 1930s, let's say like, oh, marches and uniforms. Well, here's the thing about Germany in the 1930s, all the parties had marches and uniforms.
Like, the Catholic Center Party had these sorts of mass politics. The Communists had these sorts of mass politics. Everybody was doing this kind of thing. You're dealing with a country that had a very different political situation then and by the way where every single guy for all intents and purposes had just been in the army. So yeah, you're going to have this kind of militarized mass approach to politics.
It doesn't really translate certainly to America now. Like if you've got a guy and you say, "Okay, we are going to do this kind of mass rally. we are going to have a a a uniform on with a with symbols from what is perceived as a foreign country and everything else.
It's just not gonna click with a lot of the people you're trying to reach. I think that's the issue. It's it's not so much and this is what I mean with don't get lost in the ideology. Get think about what are the symbols, what are the aesthetics, what are the optics to use an oft overused term. What are the things that ordinary people use that ordinary Americans use? because that's what you want to be weded to. I mean, even something like the American flag, what does the average white person think about the American flag? I know we can all do like a grand ideological critique about why it's good or bad or whatever, but who cares? What does the average white American think about the American flag? That tells you a lot about how you should approach it.
I think there's another super chat that I missed up there. Yeah, we're going to flag $2.
Last question. will forgive Trump for Jewish wars if the voting rights act and birth right citizenship passes. Well, the voting rights act. These are landmark legislations but have now unlikely to pass because of women lawmakers. Well, the voting rights thing is now gutted. I mean, I think we got what we could have expected from that. Uh the question now is not so much what is going to be the action on the federal level with the voting rights act. It's going to be what are these states going to do? Now, in some states are already doing this. I think D Santis is already doing something in Florida. I think in Tennessee they have talked about redistricting the area around Memphis, which I think is Steve Cohen, who's the uh one Democrat in Tennessee.
I could be wrong, but Tennessee, there's some talk about redistricting there.
There are obviously a few others, but like I said with Alabama, you're already seeing some hesitancy, but it's in the state's hands now. It's an opportunity, but so was redistricting Indiana. So was redistricting Utah. was redistricting all these other places and we saw that the Republicans just kind of left. They don't want to win. So, it's really up to them. Now, as far as birthright citizenship goes, God, I mean, I I do not have high hopes whatsoever. The debate was not all that promising with the justices, but God almighty, you win that. I mean, that changes everything overnight, but we'll see. I don't have I think Ran Paul has introduced a bill might have even been a constitutional amendment but I think he introduced it as legislation getting rid of birthright citizenship legislatively but they can't even pass the Save Act. So what are the odds of that passing?
Yeah. Would you ever do an episode on who is or isn't white? Oh god.
Would be interesting to see especially because it divides us so much. I mean, the the short answer, of course, is the way power views you determines who's white and who's not. I mean, when people say, "Oh, well, who's white and who's not?" In a in a pure sense, there has always been there is a definition now with the government with power as to who is white and who is not because that determines who gets these benefits, who is a protected class, who is not a protected class and how you were treated on that ground is really what determines it. I mean, this is why something like the MINA census category, which is Middle Eastern and North African, which by the way would actually include Israelis under one I think the definition that they're trying to advance. This would have been passed had it not been for the Trump administration and the Biden administration was pushing this very heavily. This would be essentially in a whole new category. And then a lot of people who are characterized as white now would no longer be considered white. If you look at essentially the invention of Hispanics as a category, that obviously changed the definition of a lot of people. If you look at the League of United Latin American Citizens in the 1920s, LUAC, which is still around, I think their original motivation was to make sure that Mexicans are considered white. And there's all these like hilarious things that they wrote where they talked about how Mexicans are like the proudest example of the glorious Spanish concistadors and like the people who uphold the banner of Europe and everything else and then 40 years later it's like oh wait we can get federal contracts. No actually we're not white at all. I mean this is a we're getting away from genetics but in terms of how people actually live their lives, how people define themselves, a lot of it is downstream from power.
Now, I would say one thing that I actually have changed my mind on somewhat regarding the Hispanic question is I think the census is basically right, but look, Hispanics can be of any race. It doesn't really tell me very much when people say, "Oh, there's a Hispanic population." Well, what does that mean?
Oh, big red dragon. One, two, three.
Thank you. $2. In some sense, the ticking demographic clock has already expired. Oh, yeah. And our gene pool is sustaining irreversible damage, but we can still fix it before high trust is forever out of reach. Yeah. And also, I mean, anything is possible. I mean, if we people talk about these sorts of things like population flows and even even population in absolute terms that there's nothing we can do about these sorts of things. Think of the white French in Algeria. I mean, this was a core part of the French nation. There were over a million of them and they all had to leave and they just left and that was it. When people say like, "Oh, remigration is impossible." Like, why is it impossible? Look at what happened to the Germans after World War II and some of the Eastern territories. I mean, this is the historic homeland of Prussia just gone. Nobody cries about this. Nobody considers it a big deal. I mean even in Germany there was some activism after the war and certainly a lot of nationalists today are still concerned about it but the mainstream population is not. Now these are unfortunate examples. I obviously don't support these examples but it does show that it's possible. I mean if people can come in they can be forced to leave and they have been forced to leave throughout the post-war era. It's just that the people who have been forced to leave have been disproportionately white and so therefore the media says it's okay. But we're not talking about whether people think it's good or bad. We're talking about the feasibility of it. They can all go and it's just a question of willpower. I mean, as far as the gene pool and as far as population numbers and everything else, I think we are going to enter a very strange new world with technology and everything else. And whether whether this is good or bad or against the divine order or whatever else it probably is, we're going to see some very strange population measures in the years ahead with technology. And I don't want to go on some weird sci-fi rant, but I think we're going to see a lot of unusual things in the next 10, 20 years which are going to change the population picture dramatically.
I mean, if we don't do it, China's going to do it.
Okay. Where did I get school trained?
There's not a lot of people that can look past the surface level. Good question. Okay. Um well as I've told before the first job I had was leadership institute. So in so far as I got political training and in terms of formal training like this is how you run a campaign, this is how you do fundraising, this is how you talk on TV, that kind of thing. Uh that was all leadership institute and years of organizing on college campuses and starting groups. You just kind of learn as you go, right? I mean you do anything long enough eventually you just kind of learn how to do it. Uh working worked on a few campaigns uh you know pretty low level as far as campaigns. I never managed the campaign but you know worked on campaigns and but I would say LI is basically where I learned 90% of mainstream politics because that's where I learned for the longest time. But I've been writing for Amaran for a very long time. As far as speaking, I think it was just downstream of LI, but also speaking in some of the groups I've been involved with. I mean, you do anything enough that just counts as training. You just learn it as you go. I used to be really nervous speaking when I first started.
My left leg would shake and whatever else. Now, if you were like, "Yeah, you haven't prepared anything. Go speak to 10,000 people." Be like, "What?" Yeah, fun. I mean, you just kind of get used to it. I still recommend LI. Uh I don't I think I'm persona non grata there but there are worse places to just get trained in mainstream politics they can't actually discriminate against you ideologically because it's a 501c32.
So, if you want to like learn how to do fundraising, if you want to learn how to run a campaign, if you want to learn the basics of political messaging, even if you roll your eyes at some of the stuff and say, "Well, this is stupid." And whatever else, knowledge is good and you can use that knowledge for whatever end you want. And there are worse places to go than there.
So, I think once the migrants start to show up in the rich liberal areas, it'll change pretty quick. Well, that's basically what they did. That was what the Santis did in Massachusetts. They shipped them out within like 3 days.
All right, I think we are all set. Kevin was probably shaking because he drank Five Monsters before his speech. Yeah. Well, I guess I've just become immune to it.
Maybe that's it. Maybe I'm still just as nervous. It's just like this stuff doesn't do any good anymore. So, I don't shake anymore because now I need like 30 monsters to even have some just to feel something. Man, I haven't felt anything in years.
All right, guys. I think that's a pretty good place to close it off. Thank you so much for joining us here today. Thank you so much for your support. It's really good to be back. And with your support, we're going to be doing a lot more really soon.
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