$5000 drones are killing troops. Here's how to fix it.

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[00:00:00]From the front lines of Israel's defense [music] industry to cutting edge military technology, this is a Defense and Tech by the Jerusalem Post podcast.

[00:00:09]I'm Anna Arheim, bringing you insights, interviews, and analyses on how innovation and security intersect in today's [music] fast-paced world. And today, I'm joined by Tomar Mali, CEO of ASO Technologies. We've spoken before, we've had articles before, so I'm really happy to finally get you in studio, our first guest back. Thank you Tom for joining us.

[00:00:30]>> Great being here. Thank you.

[00:00:32]>> So AIO Technologies is a very interesting very interesting company.

[00:00:37]You're relatively small but you're you've been in the business for a while, >> right?

[00:00:42]>> You're not one of those new startups and you know you know what you're doing. You have your your platforms already in the hands of IDF troops now for for over a decade even more >> something like that. They could Yeah.

[00:00:54]>> Yeah. Incredible. So you guys operate in a very very competitive um defense tech landscape especially now. What do you see one of your unique strategic advantages over other companies with similar technology?

[00:01:10]>> So I I I think the the we're trying to avoid that.

[00:01:14]>> We're basically being innovative and bringing very unique technology that we would the only one having or very very scarce amount of company would have. Um, and and that definitely needs innovation and to be very open-minded and and understanding what's going on around you and react and be disruptive and to learn how to run a company when your strategy might change in six months or your plans can can be rewritten within a year. Um, but I think that's what we're doing and I think we've kind of like found what we're good at and the tactical domain is super interesting. We've believed in it for a while while the rest of the industry were focused on big expensive platforms. And we see today that the transit, the transition towards the war fighter. We see programs, huge programs opening under that headline and that title which kind of like brings validation to the importance of that soldier platform in contemporary warfare.

[00:02:15]>> So can you tell us what is ASIO technologies? What do you do?

[00:02:19]>> Sure. We bring innovation into the tactical domain in GNSS deny navigation for tactical drones. for example, the midsize, the ones that can't afford the fancy um fiber optic gyros or the the the super adaptive GNSS antennas, the small like medium-sized drones that can operate without GPS, for example. We bring situational awareness, command and control, um into the wars of war fighters that needs to coordinate combats inside the battalion level, into the brigade level. We kind of like make a battalion a super battalion using technology and tactical components and systems.

[00:03:00]>> Now the rise of multi-dommain warfare especially in the last I would say four or five years.

[00:03:05]>> How has that reshaped your long-term road map?

[00:03:09]>> As I said before, it's reshuffles the cards every once in a while. I think the best strategy is flexibility and understanding that your big next thing could be behind the hill or around the curve. We have we have great products and we have road maps for those but we understand that we need to do collaboration with other companies with interesting technologies. uh we need to bring in um capabilities and and new stuff in order to cope with with you know upcoming threats that are you know not here today but here tomorrow like the drone war that started in the Ukraine and that completely transformed the entirety of the Len campaign. Um you know tanks that were like like a fortress are being you know destroyed in seconds with a $5,000 drone. So what do you do with that? And now we're seeing it here on our border as well in the north.

[00:04:07]>> Right. And that changed the strategy of not just ASIO, the entire land companies that deal with land systems from from I don't know GD to to the Israeli Marava project. Everybody has had been affected by that and that hadn't been around for few years only.

[00:04:25]>> So um to answer that flexibility, innovation, disruptive capabilities.

[00:04:31]>> So I want to ask you now about ground dominance. This is something that we we spoke about at length before. I mean, when you're in the air, when you're at sea, everything's clear.

[00:04:41]You can see everything. You can have air dominance or maritime dominance, but it's different on the ground. It's so much more >> complicated. Yeah.

[00:04:48]>> Exactly. Yeah.

[00:04:49]>> Yeah.

[00:04:50]>> So, >> I think nobody dared to say that word ground dominance >> prior to to the recent conflicts. And I think the IDF really was able to generate that. It means that you absolutely control um an area terrain an arena and which you know what's going on within it. You can react the entire of the land army.

[00:05:13]>> And we're always talking especially now about how we want to >> um use AI to make it so that the war fighter doesn't really have to think so much. But you're saying he's overloaded already. So what kind of technology does ASU provide to the war fighter to >> give him a little bit of a break I guess but to get that that control?

[00:05:36]>> So I I think what we're doing with our Orion platform which is spread up throughout the entirety of the IDF land forces is what AI is doing for example for for all all the the the business domain. So I I had to spend x amount of working days to to survey a market and to to get some insights. Now I can have the chat do that for me in 10 seconds and bring that insight to me very rapidly. I have to check them. I have to validate them. But the work of generating those insights was done instantaneously.

[00:06:10]So that's what we're bringing. We're bringing digital platforms into the hands of the inter individual war fighters throughout the the junior commands, the the platoon commanders, the company, the battalion level, maybe the brigade. And and those systems needs to operate very simply, very intuitively. You don't need training for and they're generating common language between different forces. So if I'm looking at something on on that that same platform, I know that the the other guy is looking on the same platform and you're speaking the same language.

[00:06:43]>> Exactly. That's that's the first part.

[00:06:45]And the second part which is situational awareness is where all those elements are in the real world. M >> taking the 2D image and transforming it into 3D elements on on visual domain like on the tank scope on the commander scope on the uh um fire support uh weapon side getting those augmentation annotations is is a huge advantage. It's a huge force multiplier.

[00:07:13]So what's the biggest misconception that militaries have about air power or longrange fire and how that can compensate for gaps in ground force situational awareness?

[00:07:24]>> I think first of all it's the accessibility.

[00:07:27]>> You don't get those very often. I mean even even in the IDF where where the air force is is very integrated into the into the war fighting for for example when the Iranian campaign started >> which one [laughter] >> the most recent one >> the recent one or or the previous one >> all the aerial assets just you know flew into the Iranian campaign and the war fighter in in X arenas just left without or with a lot less. So when those capabilities are not integral or not organic to the to to the fighting force, you're you're left with you know asking those or or getting those allocated to you. So we want to free those assets from flying freely in GNSS denied uh operation so they can they can work without using GPS or or not confined to RF or GPS spoofing or jamming. And the second that you can operate freely and be accurate and use those assets uh without them being have to be allocated to you.

[00:08:30]>> Right. So you just mentioned GPS denied and spoofing and and also jamming. I mean these are things that are different things though.

[00:08:38]>> Yeah. Very very different things but they're also very I remember during the war in Iran I was sitting on my balcony in central Israel but >> my Yes. I was in Aman.

[00:08:47]>> In Aman, right?

[00:08:48]>> Yeah. And my husband was in Cairo and I'm like well we're sitting next to each other. So when you're on the battlefield and something like that happens, how do war fighters deal and how does AIO come in and place that warfighter actually where he is.

[00:09:01]>> So we've taken different approach for the different parts of the tactical warfare.

[00:09:06]>> So for the aerial assets which are the tactical ones um those are platform that can cost from a few thousand dollars to a few hundred of thousands of dollars.

[00:09:15]We've generated a very small compact visual navigation module that uses various types of navigational threads or channels in conjunction in order to bring the best solution in real time for that aerial platform. Essentially, we take images of the ground, we match those in real time to a stored map, therefore calculating where the that aerial assets is. Mhm.

[00:09:39]>> And but we're doing it very very fast and with very little latency, which is the time takes to bring that solution, [snorts] enabling that aerial asset to roam freely without worrying about the connectivity with it to its ground control and without the GPS ever affecting its mission. So that's autonomy. There's a lot of program replicator for example, the American uh that talks about tactical autonomy in the field for those exact assets. And I think SEO's modules and capabilities are right dead center in in that aspect. So this is one. The second is Ryan platform being digital, being 3D and kind of like visualizing and rendering the train in in all varied aspects allows me to pinpoint my position very easily even if I don't have GPS say oh I'm here and I can do that manually and I can track that with inertial sensors for example and do inertial terrestrial navigation for example overcoming the GPS it's limited but it does the job for those gaps of windows of times where you don't have a GPS >> I mean Let's say your GPS fails.

[00:10:44]>> Mhm. Which it does >> even when you're not in battle.

[00:10:47]>> But when you're on the battlefield, how dangerous can that be when your GPS fails?

[00:10:53]>> Really depends on the stage of the mission that you are.

[00:10:56]>> Mhm.

[00:10:57]>> Um for example, friendly fire. Um that >> that happens a lot.

[00:11:01]>> I think I'm not sure that I'm accurate, but it's a very nice chunk of the percentage of Israeli casualties were friendly fire. When you're fighting in a in an everchanging arena, when you're fighting in a complex arena where your forces are kind of like intertwined with the enemy, >> you're bound there's an enemy in that building and you fire and and you discover it's your own.

[00:11:22]>> And does AIO have any technology to to point out who's a friendly and who's a hostile.

[00:11:27]>> So for example, I pinpoint my own position on Orion if I have GPS or if I don't have GPS. For example, I have a house number which I have it overlay on my map and I say I'm situated in that house. So everybody else in my tactical domain knows for example I'm there but our own systems know that as well. So for example if I bring up the links which is our handheld command and control situational awareness AR moninocular which is essentially a very long name for >> a scope with a thermal camera and a very neat and cool technology that kind of like overlay the information from the 2D from the battle management system onto that field of view. So when I'm looking at a terrain, I'm actually seeing those annotation. Here's an enemy, here's a friendly force, here's a target. And if I'm trying to engage an area and I see a blue force over there, I'll be twice as careful or I validate three times before I fire and and and I think that would have made a tremendous tremendous tremendous difference in terms of for example friendly fire, >> right? Um also getting those targets fast enough and understanding where they are in order to engage them fast enough >> before they disappear.

[00:12:35]>> Right? The windows opportunity is so short that if you start you know doing that matching this is here and this is that it would take 10 15 minutes to get a target within a dense urban area. We do that in instantaneously like in seconds.

[00:12:47]>> Right. So we were talking also before about speaking a common language.

[00:12:51]>> Yeah. Right.

[00:12:52]>> Super important.

[00:12:53]>> Extremely. But when you're looking at all the different platforms and all the different sensors, how do you actually unify that data >> to speak that common language?

[00:13:05]>> So, first foremost, I think unifying the data is the key word. The challenge is is to do that is getting those different sensors that talks different languages comes from different vendors and kind like interconnect them into one place.

[00:13:19]Um, Orion right now sits in the hands of every combatant in the field and it's like a hub that concentrates a lot of technology inside. We have a CPU. We have a a lot of very interesting algorithms to do image processing and visual aids and stuff like that. So I can connect all those sensors into Orion and starts kind like sucking up all all their information and mix it up into one single situational awareness. I can do the augmentation for third parties for example and then everybody that looks in the train sees practically the same. You do need connectivity of a sort. You don't have to have constant RF connectivity wideband. I can have a very narrow band because I just need those positions those coordinates which are very narrow banded and then I can generate a very simple common language for everybody in that arena.

[00:14:10]>> Interesting. So also on that arena if you can have the aerial platforms >> which are interconnected and I can get their aerial view which is already anchored and mapped and I can get targets out of that. So I can have aerial assets being like in Overwatch their sensors being mapped and targeted and then when I'm they see something with their AI or whatever I can instantly see it on my platform my endpoint platform the Orion in the field for example.

[00:14:38]>> Amazing. What if there's like a single point of failure and then everything crashes and you don't have anything?

[00:14:43]>> So I think what's nice and very difficult in the tactical domain that there isn't much a single point of failure. There's a lot of systems that are interconnected. It's like mesh radio. Mesh radio was invented when you need to have a very flexible network of of radios where if some node gets disconnected, it doesn't like crash down the entire network. Just this node had been disconnected and it can reconnect later on. it all works and everything just keeps on going even though you had that one >> and even even if you're offline completely no communication no GPS everything you had put on your map still stays on that and you can still work and you can manually update for example if if your intelligent officer or this position had moved from that building to that building you just manually change that because you don't have the communication right now and you keep that updated same that you would do with your like paper map but digitally but this can be shared by the way we have very interesting viral way of sharing data with with optics. So we can share data between different Orions, different endpoints without even using communication at all.

[00:15:46]>> Interesting. So modern conflicts show that uh battalions must operate independently, right?

[00:15:52]>> They should.

[00:15:52]>> They should and they're often cut off from higher command. Now, what capabilities are you able to bring to the troops at the edge? First of all, if you want to have effectiveness, and I think that's the very core difference between the IDF and and other fighting forces that we had throughout the years that the IDF fights very independently.

[00:16:11]You had a mission, you get a mission, you can do the mission. You don't have to get like this constant oversight and that autonomy level and independence is what generates the agility that the IDF can operates. I know my mission, I can run forward and do it.

[00:16:26]>> The Americans don't have that. They don't operate the same way. I'm not sure that inly familiar with the Americans, but I know for example the the Arab armies that had been surrounding Israel throughout the entirety of their wars, the six days, the Yumipur, all of that wars, they were much more centralized.

[00:16:41]So if you if you took off the head, >> the the arms and legs didn't operate as well where where the IDF is not like that. You're very independent. You're very missionoriented. So I think we bring those capabilities into the battalion level that even you have zero communication, zero GNSS and the mission is clear, our capabilities helps the battalion get those missions done in complete vacuum >> and if you if you need to speak with Jason combat units, they have the same platform. So it's very simple for them to share and talk about let's say operational requirements with different elements in in the fighting arena because they have the same Orion platform right in their heads.

[00:17:24]>> So they're off-rid but not completely off-grid.

[00:17:27]>> And with regards to GNSS denied as I said before most of the eyes and ears of the battalion level today are drones.

[00:17:34]>> The the days of the tripod with the binoculars are long gone. Like long long gone. Anything you want to do you you do it with drones. You take up the drone, you look behind the hill, you you do multi-ensor sigant. All those are operated by drones today. But those are tactical drones. As I said before, they're not like a Reaper, like a $50 million Reaper where you can put a a very expensive inertial sensor on it that would operates for days and days out. Um, you don't you simply don't have nor the payload capacity or the price tag for those sensors. So you end up with GPS and GP GPS fails your aerial assets are crippled. So our core technology the Nocta is is that is that module that get those assets operating seamlessly for example.

[00:18:21]>> Very cool. Very cool. I remember when I came uh to your offices you showed me a bunch of your your products and your platforms and one of them was that tripod. That's the kind of legacy stuff that we were making and we we understood at some point that although it has a great business, it's not where the market's going to go. So that stands there to remind us, >> right? But it's still I mean I remember looking out of the window and you you guys were showing me uh the different different platforms and and able to see everything which is which is interesting that now you have the platforms on the ground still and you have the the drones in the air um but you still need it all to be connected with that similar language that we were talking about. By the way, another key important part of being able to accommodate the tactical forces is scalability.

[00:19:06]>> So you have a great system. Be prepared if you're working in the tactical domain that someone is going to come and say, I need 10 thousands of those.

[00:19:13]>> And if >> and you need them tomorrow, >> right? And if you say, "All right, you'll have them in a year."

[00:19:19]Completely irrelevant, >> right? So when when you're working on those you have to both technological wise how you build the systems the the material you use the technology that you use for making for manufacturing those system that has to be high-tech as well if you want to be able to be scalable and to be to produce those at scale in one hand but cost effective on another remember the the land armies they don't have the the dollars that the air force has to purchase billions and billions of dollars. They're they they have a lot less less of a budget, but still it's great business if you know how to bring in great capabilities at a cost for scale, >> right? And when we're talking about scale, I mean, this is something that right now is the everyone's talking about scale, >> right? You need it now. You need 10,000 of them >> and there's challenges in the supply chain as well.

[00:20:15]>> Exactly. And so that's the one I wanted >> from demand, >> right? And I want to talk to you also about supply chain is when we're looking at for example in America and we're looking in Israel there's a lot of issues especially now because of Iran with the supply chain. So how are you able especially in challenging times to get that skill and to deliver to your to your clients on time?

[00:20:35]>> You have to plan that it's not just happening. It's something that as a CEO you have to address as an important channel to think and to plan and to bring innovation into. The basics are don't have a single source for anything.

[00:20:52]Have a multiple suppliers from Israel and outside of Israel. So if something happened here, I can still get it out.

[00:20:58]If something's generating hardships bringing in from the outside, I still have it in manufacturing different technologies. So if some technologies are getting for example if you if you do everything with aluminum if you have an aluminum crisis like we had with Turkey for example then super effective low availability high cost aluminum became but if you working with aluminum with plastics with other materials if you spread out your technologies capabilities in advance you think about it and you spread it out then you'll be able to scale very easily. So when we're we're talking about the issues and the challenges and the past I would say five years globally and especially here um the past two and a half three years what have you learned from these recent conflicts that you've embedded into your technology? I think flexibility and I think software development we've left so many preparations or kind of like did foundations for things that we know we would want to bring in. So when we design something even even a software module would live those preparations modules say we're going to bring in AI here we're going to bring u mission uh management to this point. So we're designing and building things a lot more flexible.

[00:22:19]>> I think that supply chain is at the beginning of the design stage. Which sensors are we going to use? How many suppliers do we have from that technology? Do we need to bound oursel to that technology? If we have only one supplier, so we going to go for that sensor or look for something else.

[00:22:38]Designing for scale and designing for the hardship of being for sometime isolated. It's a it's a holistic view and holistic procedure that we've kind like gustom to, but it's mandatory if we want to be able to meet up demands and be able to supply throughout those challenges and hardships.

[00:23:00]>> Very interesting. I've never I've asked that question so many times and I've never had the supply chain and and and that being one of the main lessons learned. Very interesting. You have to integrate that into your methodological way of thinking, designing. It's part and by the way, you see that in other industries that have designed amazing stuff that rely heavily on on very thin vectors of material or manufacturing or or methods of whatever. And they're struggling, >> right? They're really struggling. Some of them have failed and and closed their doors. When we're talking, I want to ask again about GPS. Yeah. and um GNSS and when that happens right that's not you know it's not out of the blue it's not it's a baseline scenario something that you have to take into account >> today for sure >> so what do you do about it how do you how do you handle that sort of scenario >> so in in the aerial domain we got it pretty much covered not 100% of course but our technology brings great robustness into aerial navigation in and it's been used with very high-tech industries with multiple multiple platforms from helicopters to vetos to fix wings to drones and we've covered a lot of grounds in terms of flying it at snow at you know deserts at forest so it's it's great it's working it's very solid >> icing conditions when you're talking about snow doesn't have any effect >> it does um it does on the on the spectral medium which kind of camera we use because it's cold it's thermal will work necessarily as well, but also at how much the the algorithms that we've built are robust to changes. If you matches into most of the imagery that are being taken and and used for matching are not taken over the winter because that's where you have as little details as as you might have in the world in the time of taking the imagery.

[00:25:00]So, you take them usually in the spring or in the summer where everything is is clear. So, but but I'm matching those to an image taken right now when everything is covered in snow. So, it really not about the feature that we're not matching, but the feature that we are.

[00:25:14]So, so if we have the road, if we have the the the contour of a field, if we have the just, you know, single trees that are still bouncing there in it. So, we'll match those and we'll get to the level of confidence that we're we're good with and we'll match it. So we are able to operate in very changing environment and for example for the Gazin campaign we had aerial platforms that had been it was operational before us before uh October 7th >> right so why don't you tell our audience when it started being operational we said over a decade >> so things have changed images have changed >> you're changing the data constantly right >> for example we had an army fighting in a in a different arena and they had flown aerial assets and that that arena had changed significant ificantly. The customer weren't able to update the maps for a good 3 4 months and the environment had changed very significantly during bombardments etc. and it worked. The level of availability had dropped a little bit but not to the point where it affected the mission >> that they they operated constantly throughout. So we're not as sensitive to change in that technology that good stuff. We're not sensitive to the aerial photography quality or resolution that we're very robust in that in that aspect. So you just mentioned a military I guess of another country right not only the IDF can you maybe share without naming any other military even with the IDF a very interesting use of your technology on the battlefield >> for example what I've said before when we've designed the links our situational awareness platforms we've made that primarily for joint operation I have I'm here I have another force over there I'm for example infantry they're fire support I want closed loops I want to talk in the same language I want to get targets But we saw that one of the core capability that we're using it is for friendly fire and to avoid friendly fire. Just looking around seeing no blues, no blues. Okay, you're good to go. And from the feedback we were gotten, the situational awareness at the the maneuvering part when you're moving and you're changing and you're engaging was a lot to do with making sure that you don't operate in friendly fire mishaps and you don't have friendlies in your scopes >> rather than just you know getting the targets and hitting stuff. And it was like we did thought about that but that wasn't one of the primarily issues that we were handling but it became one. For example, the idea I don't think we had we see something very funky, but um it's it's good that that systems are used what you've designed it for, >> right? That you don't have to have that, you know, exciting story, but you just know that the war fighter is safe. He's seeing what needs to be seen. He is seen. And >> on a different level, for example, the the Noctar aerial navigation module had been fitted to the weirdest aerial platform stuff that we said interesting.

[00:28:03]Let's see how that works out. And it worked out. very different vibration profile, very different installation, very different utilization speeds, you know, a lot of very different parameters that we can't really plan for every it has to be robust and kind of work throughout, >> right?

[00:28:20]>> Without us being tweaking everything for for each and every platform. So that was very cool to see handling the technology handling so very different platforms and different usage and different use cases and different terrain.

[00:28:33]>> It's really cool. I want to get into our last few questions. And during these questions, I don't want you to think, okay? I just want you to answer. Why does ground dominance still decide wars?

[00:28:42]When you spend those billions of dollars on aerial or maritime platforms, >> there's a sentence in Hebrew, I don't know if it's populate to the to the English language, where where the trucks ends, that's where the border will be, right? It's kind of like saying where the troops or where the position of troops ends in the ceasefire, that will determine where the line's going to be.

[00:29:02]Mhm.

[00:29:02]>> I had a very interesting story. A helicopter pilot told me that just before the ceasefire in six days war, he hurdled down combatants and threw them in the northern part of of the golden heights. So where the ceasefire ended, there were Israeli troops over there and that's kind of like where the line and they were they weren't there like an hour ago. So I think in terms of wars, true that a lot of wars are maritimes, but in the end of the day are territory, right? You need to occupy land. C is kind of like the derivative of length.

[00:29:33]If you have a country, you have your maritime borders, but you have to have your country. So I think that impacts where or how we're in, where you are, which grounds you hold, >> right?

[00:29:45]>> And control and have absolute control over. So if someone say this is mine, you can say no, it's not.

[00:29:51]>> Okay. So what's the hardest part of giving that small independent battalion the north of the Golan and they're completely off-grid? they're completely cut off. How do you give them real time awareness?

[00:30:03]>> First of all, when you're operating in that sector, you're independent >> and autonomy independence is cru. So, I want them to have the capabilities on their own. I don't want them to be dependent on external intelligence. We can generate that intelligence in the battalion level. We can generate all the maps, all the 3D models. Asio's terrorist platform can generate that. I can have those assets fly without GNSS, no communication. I can have those forces talk to one another either optically or communication. So they can do their mission regardless of where they are. Even if they're caught off from the world, they have their own mission. Seize, control, take, whatever, they can do that without having to have external aid. But we wanted to be as little as possible, >> right?

[00:30:51]>> So I think our technology really bring that or enhance that independence capabilities. So you could be as independent as possible or as less reliant.

[00:31:02]>> How dangerous is the military's dependence on GNSS and stable communications in real-time combat? I think that GNSS is understood as being a compromised platform right now and you see a lot of program APNT uh in the US and and replicator is dealing a lot with GNSS tonight uh a lot of GNSS capabilities in in the land armies uh inertial sensors for whatever I think communication is the real problem because 20 years that system had been designed to be network connected network worthy network this network that Net Warrior um C4I everybody needs to see everything and that's like a core design strategy for the last 20 years and now when the spectrum is being so heavily affected we see a lot of hardship coping with that spectrum or let's say lack of communication I think the system needs to be designed in a way that can operate in a tactical communication low uh short-term communication or even without communication. As I said before, for example, the Orion >> can virally shift up data from the battalion headquarters down to the last soldiers optically virally without any communication. So, you could have orders flowing in and out without any communication. You can't really wage a war without any communication, but you need to soften the blow. Like Genesis, you don't completely don't have Genesis.

[00:32:35]You have gaps usually. So you need to overcome those gaps. You have need to learn how to sustain constant or normal operation mode even if you don't have communication for an hour, two, three, four, half a day, a day, whatever, without that seriously impairing or impacting your capabilities. And I think that's what we're aiming and that's what we're bringing to the field.

[00:32:57]>> And last question, where is AIO heading?

[00:32:59]Hi, we have an amazing road map where we want to be a very important player in that tactical domain in the maneuvering forces arena bringing capabilities not only for the soldier but also the fighting platforms kind of like be the glue. You have a tank, you have an APC, you have a plane, someone needs to operate those. We want to be the glue that brings the the simplicity in operating those bringing uh situational awareness to those platforms as well and basically be kind of like the ERP of the modern battlefield like having the data disseminating the data controlling the the insights on the tactical level. The next level will be big data analytic of course AI in terms of how to plan forward with all the information that we're getting and collecting from the from the battalion from the individual sensors. I can I can have not just information but I have intelligence not just knowledge but insights of where and how to move forward in the best way and how to adopt the usability of those systems with the information and the data we have.

[00:34:07]>> Amazing. Thank you so much, Tom. I think things this was an incredible conversation.

[00:34:11]>> Thank you.

[00:34:12]>> It is something I mean people don't really talk that much about this sort of technology, right? We talk about the drones and we talk about the planes, but I think getting that technology into the hands of the war fighter to make everything clear, I think it's so necessary. It's the conversation that many people need to have in Israel and abroad. So, thank you, Tomo, so much.

[00:34:33]>> Thank you very much.