The First Amendment protects free speech, but hate speech and racial slurs can be legally restricted under certain circumstances, as demonstrated by the Shiloh Hendrix case where she was found guilty of disorderly conduct for using racial slurs, though acquitted on the charge of calling a child the N-word. This case illustrates the ongoing debate about where free speech ends and criminal behavior begins, with some arguing that no speech should be criminalized while others support restrictions on hate speech.
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Shiloh Hendrix FOUND GUILTY Over Using Racial Slurs w/ Jason Ellis & Alex Stein | Timcast IRL
Added:Shiloh Hendris, a woman who was filmed spewing racial slurs at an individual, has been found guilty not of the initial incident where she says that a a small child was was stealing from her purse, but due to a confrontation where someone started filming her. Now, this may seem like uh well, who what is this story?
Why is this very big? Well, this is a First Amendment story. A woman has been found guilty of the crime of using a racial slur against the person. This is big news. This violates the First Amendment. It's gone massively viral.
The woman, Shiloh Hendricks, has raised $860,000 on a in an online fundraising campaign.
And this news breaking just last night is sending shock waves throughout the US with many more liberal-minded people saying it's good that someone who used a racial slur is getting criminally charged and convicted. Well, most people who believe in the in free speech and the first amendment are shocked that a woman has been found guilty of saying a naughty word. We're going to talk about that. Plus, the NDAA has passed and this means the SAVE Act and it also means this weird bill that integrates the US military with Israeli military in terms of technology and management, which is it's very very contentious. We'll talk about that in a whole lot more. Before we get started, head over to timcast.com. Click join now. Get in the Discord community, my friends. It is a massive Discord server with tens of thousands of individuals hanging out every single day. They got morning shows, afternoon shows, VIP exclusives.
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So, let's get into it. Here's a story from the Minnesota Star Tribune. Woman who hurled racial slurs at boy found guilty in Rochester trial. So here's what she gets. $1,000 fine, a stayed 90day jail sentence. This means she's not going to go to jail. She's ordered to perform 200 hours of community service. Now, here's the thing. She's raised $860,000 after this. Now, a lot of people are saying she she deserves more. What's scary about this is here's the story.
She's at a playground with her kid.
She's I think she was like 36 at the time. She's 37 now. A an 8-year-old black child starts going through her purse and steals a a ba baby food. She then run chases after the kid.
Apparently, the kid's dad chases after the kid and she allegedly, I don't know exact because there's no video of this, called the called the kid a racial slur as he was stealing the baby food from her.
>> What one? The >> uh the racial slur.
>> The one.
>> The one.
>> All right. you say.
>> So then this some guy picks his phone up and starts filming her and he says, "Did you just call that kid the n-word?" And she's like, "Screw off." And then he tells her, "Say it again." So she does several times for that. She has been found guilty of disorderly conduct.
>> Was it two charges?
>> There were two charges. She was acquitted on the charge of calling the black child the n-word, but found guilty of disorderly conduct for calling the man filming her the n-word.
>> Oh, interesting.
>> Yeah. Well, I read all about it, but you know, I think it, you know, and I don't want to get all, you know, macro about this.
>> If you look at this, she got very lucky.
She got a what, $1,000 fine, 90day jail sentence, stayed. You look at Chud the Builder, a guy that was assaulted outside of a courtroom or whatever, you know, and then he shot the guy and now the guy can't get a bail bond. And there's people like Carmel Anthony that actually killed somebody on a high school campus and was able to get a bail bond. But a guy that said the N-word and that was attacked. So it seems like the N-word is like the third rail. It's like the most powerful thing you can say and the most penalized thing that you can do in >> They give it a lot of power. They give it so much power. It's more than that because if a white person is perceived to aggress against a black person, like it can be any any number of things, right? Like I mean, you look at um uh the the officer that was convicted of of killing George Floyd, right? OJ Simpson basically got off because Mark Ferman, >> but so black people don't always get get acquitted of crimes that if they commit them against white people. But if you're a white person and you commit some kind of transgression, it doesn't even h actually have to be a real crime because I don't think calling someone a name should ever be considered a crime, right? Even if it's offensive or whatever, that that there should never be any circumstance in which it's considered a crime. You know, that's just that's ridiculous. We don't h we don't have the thought police.
>> This is going to go to appeals and she's going to win and they're going to reverse it all.
>> You know who I think this actually goes to and I'm not even trying to take this off the rails, but Josh Block, are you guys familiar with Joshua Block, World of T-shirts, and then like those guys?
You're not you're not familiar with any of those those locals?
>> Well, long story short, there's a guy by the name of Daniel Larson that is mentally challenged. He's very famous.
You can look him up. and he's like kind of like World of T-shirts where World of T-shirts is bigger. He gets drunk and like New York and has a big social media following. My point is he's mentally challenged and he went on his live stream on TikTok was like, "I'm going to bomb the White House. I'm going to bomb and he was he he was held in federal prison for two years and was just let out this week for saying that." And it's like, where does free speech draw the line? It's like is that a I mean but technically really if we're allowed to say whatever we want and let's say we're under tyranny let's say let's say the government is being >> but that's making a threat specific threat whereas calling someone a name is different >> I no I agree with that what do you think should have happened >> to her >> nothing you don't think that the mom or the mom of the kid could have slapped her >> no because that's physical like I mean you can't you can't assault Well, but the kid was stealing from her, you know, >> the inbum.
>> So, so here's the thing. Let's let's let's take this to the maximum degree.
The 8-year-old child should get a juvenile charge.
>> That's what I'm talking about.
>> He he he committed a theft.
>> Yeah.
>> And so, >> I don't think you can charge an 8-year-old.
>> You can. Yeah. Juvenile. Yeah.
Absolutely.
>> They charged me >> at age eight.
>> Yeah. I steal it to be like 12 or something.
>> I used to steal. I got caught, man. I didn't get caught. I stole >> like Michael Scott. I never got caught.
Somebody else got caught cuz it was me and my friends at school were stealing stuff from a toy store. He-Man action figures and I was just plowing that place. Like I was just I got the tiger.
I got the cast. I got Castle Grey Skull.
>> Wait, you got you got I walked out with Castle Grey Skull, dude. Like that's how at 8 years old.
>> No, I just time when they go down that corridor down the other corridor and I'd take off out the door with it.
>> Oh my thing was huge.
>> It was a big box. But I got away with it until I got caught with all of it under my bed and I like your parents. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. How did you get Castle Grey Skull or whatever? And then uh somebody else got caught that was doing it as well and I going to court.
>> They were going to charge me >> and somebody knew somebody and got me off the charge. But I was getting charged and I was a kid. I remember what is that? And they were like you can't get a job later on. And I was like, "That seems pretty serious." Like, I didn't really You're like, "Well, I'm eight. I kind of don't care right now."
>> All in favor of the 8-year-old child being criminally charged.
>> Well, that was my first thought was, look, if if a kid's stealing from you at any age and you scream profanities at the kid, okay, card, it's over. Done.
You're not getting sh like if you walk up to an 8-year-old and you start screaming profanities in the kid's face, you might get arrested for assault or some sort of aggravated claim.
>> Aggravated means with a weapon. So, just be assault.
>> Okay. and assault, but then you could add on like the racial uh hate crimes.
>> That's that's the problem the the whole like the whole concept of this. No, but listen, hear me out. The whole problem that is or the major part of the problem with this is the fact that at the end of the day, a hate crime is a thought crime. You are you are being punished for having bad thoughts. You have you have hateful thoughts and you express them and that means it's a thought crime. So, it's about the fact that you are allowed to have bad thoughts with you cannot put people in prison or or you cannot punish people. The government can't.
>> Pardon me? Yeah. I've got a a ninemonth old. Yeah.
>> A what? How old?
>> Nine months.
>> What? Well, he got a little older and somebody >> an adult called him something, you know, something offensive. that >> my dad called me the N word my whole >> take going talking about the government punishing someone versus if you want the government out of it I actually agree with you that's the whole point that the the rep there's repercussions in this world >> talk >> and get regulated and I'm okay with that >> I'm not I'm not I'm not okay with that what >> this is about someone that went >> you should be able to speak freely you should be able to say in word not be uh get I mean >> I should be able to slap you and get repercussions for it.
>> No, no. Listen, listen listen this idea.
>> Charge me, but if I feel like hitting you, I will.
>> Yeah. I mean, I I'm I'm going to argue on this one. I see what you're saying. You're like, you can you can insult someone and they have no right to hit you. But that's rights are immaterial. Law is immaterial. If you go out in the street, and it doesn't matter what word you use, you walk up to someone like Jason and you start insulting them for no reason, eventually you're getting smacked >> because that's the real world. idea that that's where we live. No.
>> And you know what's going to happen? And you know what's going to happen?
>> You know what I think should happen? A good cop would be like, "So what happened? You're like, I walked up to him and started insulting him and calling a bunch of slurs and he smacked you." The cop should go, "Okay, get out of here." Yeah. End of story. Like we somehat. But Jason to your point there the the distinction that we have or in this particular context is not whether what she did was right or whether whether the mother would have would have been within in a moral uh would have been a moral action to slap her. The distinction is because it goes to court and you have the government doing it.
That's the distinction. It's not that oh she was fined to do it. It's that it's that the government has a prohibition here in the United States. government has a prohibition from enforcing any laws about thought or or what your opinions are.
>> It's getting you're getting too deep on the thought thing. Like it's you're talking about most of the people out here dayto-day living stress that word or even a word. You're having a bad day, you get called a word.
>> It's not too deep because it's >> they shouldn't be involved in it. But but if they're not involved in it, what if they just what if we just start killing each other because there's nobody. The cops are like, "He called you an Nbomb? I I don't care." Wait, he punched you in the face 10 times because you called him an Nbum. I don't care.
Like, where does it end?
>> I I understand the point that you're making, but in the context of this discussion, we're talking about a court case.
>> Like, that's the whole the whole meat potatoes of it.
>> It's because I kind of agree with you on that. I think the court I agree my question about just I'm asking where does it go if we don't >> interject morally hold on. It's the question of where the line is. And we we we we agree as a country, if you're standing there saying naughty words, we're not going to arrest you.
>> Yeah.
>> And and and hold on, I'm going to add to this. We also somewhat agree, depending on context, that if someone instigates a fight, we're not going to arrest them for hitting you either.
>> Well, the line is >> this woman had had a kid loot her purse, like steal from her.
>> If she went and punched that kid in the face, we got a problem, right? It's an 8-year-old kid and and what is considered it is not considered reasonable to strike a child who's stealing from you. It was an applesauce.
He's not a cell phone. He he he wasn't part of a gang or anything like this.
So, it's not reasonable. Insulting someone is just bad manners and morals.
>> My question though is okay, so say there's a fight, a white guy and a black guy. The white guy beats up the black guy and then kills him in the fight or whatever, but then or and then another situation. White guy and a black guy get into a fight. The white guy beats up the black guy and kills him. But then you find out he's got swastikas tattooed on him. The n-word. He wrote a manifesto about how he wants to kill a black person. Like >> all >> you always add all this cont.
You're >> talking about gauging intention. So in one instance, this guy has shown you a racial intent. So they they will they will upscale the charges because there were racial intentions.
>> I think that I think that the murder >> I don't like it that's a real thing.
>> It's a thought crime.
>> It's wrong. I don't know how they listen. So, hear me out. The I think that he should be charged for first-degree murder because it was pre-planned >> in both instances. I think >> in any if you intention if you No, because the the first thing that you were talking about possibly they get into a No, you >> homicide.
>> Stop. Let me finish here. Don't dude.
>> Well, the first one you were talking about, they get into a fight, right? And one guy kills the guy because of the fight, right? That was what you laid out.
>> First degree. Let's say him, then he decides to finish him off, whatever.
>> Okay. So that's secondderee murder.
>> That would be first degree. If you knock a guy on the ground, you look at him, and then you decide to go kill him and finish him off, that's a first degree.
Okay. So either way, look, the point is it's first degree murder. If you That's all >> it just changes. Everything changes depending on what comes out of the person he's talking to mouth. The point is if you plan to kill someone, that is first degree or or that is intentional homicide, right? And the the racial aspect is really irrelevant because you intended to go kill someone.
>> Are you saying legally it's irrelevant?
>> I I don't I don't know what the the hate how they how hate crimes are are actually adjudicated throughout the whole country. But generally the federal government or the government isn't supposed to be able to say you had bad you had you had hateful intentions so we're going to go.
>> But Phil let me let me just say this and this is a personal experience. I don't want to go in a long thing. So, I had this First Amendment lawsuit that went all the way to federal court. I sued the county judge of Dallas. And I brought up this um Dallas Morning News article about how when he was in college, he got arrested for doing a panty raid. It went all the way to federal court. Like, you know, we just I paid a lot of money. In front of the jury, they even admitted they didn't follow the rules of procedure of their own meeting. They had one of the county commissioners kick me out and they had to take a vote if they want to kick me out, unless the county judge does it. The county judge did not kick me out. They kept on talking about the constitution. my attorney that I paid all this money went on this first amendment. The federal government gives us the right to say this. My jury was four black women, one Hispanic woman, and one white guy. You and I have different perspective. We respect the Constitution. A lot of people do not respect the Constitution. They believe that that was written during the time of slavery. So they they actually hate the Constitution. So they interpret the government exactly the opposite of basically how the majority of us interpret the constitution.
>> Do you believe that that was of your peers?
Not really, but yeah, it was I know, but it was in Dallas. You know, there >> the left interpretation of the Constitution is that hate speech is not protected under the First Amendment.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> And the right's interpretation is that it is. And the left's interpretation is rooted in the fact that blasphemy used to be illegal and that things that are considered objectionable or obscene can be uh uh you can be crimally charged.
>> That's the argument they make and it's functional for them.
>> So, it's the church's fault.
>> It's what?
>> The church's fault >> to the left. Sure. you know the but listen I don't know how how you gonna argue it because the founding fathers said that blasphemy was illegal and for 10020 years people were being criminally charged for blaspheming how was the left wrong when they say objectionable material is not protected >> to Tim's point like the left will they they don't care about the constitution at all they don't really believe any of it but they will use things that have happened when they're functional because their goal is to exert power >> sides do that talk about >> I agree uh I don't I don't know that I don't know that don't know that I agree in in the same in the same way that the left does because you know that the the left like they don't they don't actually believe that there should be any kind of laws when it comes to let's clarify I'll just they believe in they believe they believe that there should >> a generality on the left to do this and a tendency on the right to do it meaning you see it a lot on the left and you see it often on the right so they both do it and I make this point all the time that uh I I I talk to conservatives and they're like I believe in the constitution and then I say oh so you think blasphemy should be illegal and then to be fair some conservatives go yes absolutely Absolutely.
>> But many will say, "No, no, of course not. We shouldn't be arresting." Well, the founding fathers thought if you blasphemed, you should go to jail.
>> And and we they they draft this free speech, but at the same time would lock you up if you insulted if you were like even Catholics didn't have rights in in a lot of places. So there was and and and and for that matter, the second amendment, according to the founding fathers, did not grant you the right under states laws to have weapons or protect you from it. If Virginia wanted to ban guns, they were allowed to do it.
the federal government, the the Constitution, Second Amendment, barred the federal government from passing laws on guns, not from states. We've completely changed how we view the Constitution, even on the right. So, conservatives will come out and they'll say, "I believe in the Constitution. I'm an originalist." And then give you a textualist interpretation.
>> Yep. What he said.
>> Yeah. You see, and if Jason agrees, that means I'm right.
>> No. And I do agree with you, Tim, though. It is like an interpretation of what our Bill of Rights are. And people, like I said, they they don't even believe in them, right? like they think the whole foundation of our government was built on the backs of slaves. They like they hate our government and I can almost understand their perspective a little bit and I can almost empathize.
>> That's a good point. I completely agree with the left now.
>> I can empathize if my great great grandmother was a slave, I'd hate America. You know, I'm not saying >> that's my entire that's my that's to my point to what I was saying to Tim is like they hate the Constitution. They don't like the America. And so when they say, "Oh, well, you know, the Constitution says this or Constitution says that." It's not because they have any kind of love for the government or I'm sorry, love for the country or for the constitution. It's because that it is a functional argument and a way to and a way to win the the debate.
>> But I have to I have to point out that it all of it only ever is a functional argument. It's just a question of how how willing are how willing are you in various situations to apply a functional argument. Right? My point is conservatives arguments on the Constitution apply to an America of the 1960s to the 1990s. And so it seems broad, but outside of the context of our past couple of generations, I would argue that they are as they are as functional arguments as as the lefts are. It's just a question of what we want to be in this country and what powers we are willing to use to enforce it. So, you know, it's fascinating because I was actually just um talking with Lily Tang Williams about this. She said that in communist China, she goes to law school as a teenager and she's very much like the party, very excited.
And then she was told by her professor that we are not a nation of ruled by laws. We are a nation ruled by men. And that struck her when she began to understand what that meant. That the laws were just tools that could be used whenever they needed to control a population.
>> And at at the end of the day, that that is basically how all governments work.
>> Indeed. The question is how how what is the right willing to do to get the country they want. And the only really thing real thing we're arguing is less so than the left is. The left is willing to exercise whatever power and argument they need to to win and gain power and the right sometimes does.
>> Yeah, I think that's probably right. I think that's probably correct because the right likes but >> don't we want the right to do it all the time? Well, I'm I'm not 100% sure because when you start talking about, you know, if you don't have some kind of moderation, particularly on the right, the right ends up doing things, you know, the right is more the right is as likely as the left to do.
>> We don't need to say left or right. All humans are as likely to Yeah. steal power. You know, here >> I'm more thinking about the like the kind of atrocities that end up happening, right? If you if you just say, well, exercising power is the ultimate goal.
>> This is this is the issue of of atrocity. Uh, how many people died in the Iraq war?
>> Millions.
>> Well, >> I don't know if it was millions.
Americans were talking about Muslims. I think I think Muslims it was over like >> It was something like a million people in Iraq.
>> Is that an atrocity?
>> Uh, that the United States invaded a foreign country under false pretext and then the war resulted in the death of a million plus people. So, the the point I'm bringing up is that even the concept of an atrocity is relative to the moral the the moral perspective of a body politic.
>> Well, it depends. I mean, if if it was like if you're s and the reason I say it depends is because with the United States initiating it, you can lay you can lay all the blame at the feet of the United States and say, well, you're the one that started it. So the you downstream effects of you doing, you know, initiating this invasion is what started is what caused all these deaths.
>> Estimated 200,000 civilian deaths.
>> Yeah. In the conflict. And so I I I think I'll put it like this. If the US is to falter and lose, uh, if if if if the left were to win, if China or Russia were to win, history will write that the United States was an evil empire that committed serious atrocities such as the massacring of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians.
>> Well, I think they're going to write that regardless. But when you say >> No, no, no, but hold on. They they will, but if the United States wins in terms of culture and control, they're not going to let that narrative be the be the case.
>> That shows you that history is all fake.
And uh I mean literally I mean it's his story. Um that's what they say. I mean that's not even a conspiracy. That's like literally history. So >> it's not the the etmology of history.
>> Well I know but you know what I mean there's a lot of hidden meaning in these words.
>> I know it's >> come on. I mean is it that crazy history story? I mean I think >> I think you could tie that together that I think they connect enough.
>> I hope so. I know that's not the etmology of the word history. Of course it's not. But it's just, you know, there's there's uh words have power and I think that it's always his story.
>> How very postmodern of you.
>> Well, I mean, you know, is and listen, we're trying to have some like philosophical debate about whether or not she called a Somali illegal immigrant the n-word. And did she get punished like harshly?
>> Is it true the guy that she insulted is a is like a pedo or something?
>> Yeah. He had been arrested for doing I think maybe it was a child abuse allegedly. He had a record himself. But my point is she actually won in this whole thing. She's got $800,000 gofundme. It was I mean so really who >> Gibson to go I think >> or Gibson. I'm just saying who's the victim in this? I mean I guess maybe us 43 it's like for the 200 hours of community service she's actually getting like $4,300 per hour for the community service.
>> Yeah. It's $871,000.
>> Yeah. And she's going to go to like a vet clinic or whatever and pet dogs for 200 hours or whatever.
>> So So here's >> look like a racist though.
>> But she's hot.
>> But then again, >> she's hot though. What is this whole end of the table?
>> Just that end of the table.
>> Yeah.
>> YOU LOOK LIKE THE RACIST. YOU'RE THE ONE THAT'S YOUR FACE.
>> I LOOK MORE RACIST than him. He looks all This guy is like the Aryan Brotherhood. Like I got eyes.
>> I got blue eyes.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. No, you're suspect.
>> Listen. Listen.
>> He's a little more like >> I'm black.
>> He's like a smart racist. He's the one.
>> I think I'm like 1% Jewish. So >> you're what?
>> Makes me colored.
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>> Here's here's the issue. So, I'll explain to Jason. The reason why she made so much money is because people were tired of cancel culture and people losing their jobs for being racist.
>> Well, and racist people probably gave her money, too. A ton of a ton of them.
>> All right. Okay.
>> The but the reason why you get to 87 >> these guys, they gave her money for sure.
>> The reason why you get to 870,000 is because this video goes viral and a bunch of lefties were like, "Where does she work? Get her fired." So then people on the right said, "You know what? We're done with this. Let's raise her a million dollar."
>> She get fired.
>> Uh she might have.
>> But guys, didn't it show how dumb we are as a society when Carmelo Anony's family gets like a million dollar uh you know, GoFundMe or whatever gives him go and then buys a mansion? We'll give anybody our money if it just like makes us feel a little bit better about our political cause. Like it really kind of shows that we're more than anything.
>> I saw the girl bouncing up and down in the >> I don't think she did get fired from her job.
>> She did.
>> I don't think she did.
>> Got fired from being a stripper, but okay.
>> Wait, she's a stripper?
>> No, I'm kidding. I shot >> You see the other But >> I see it.
>> She didn't run.
>> She's definitely danced. I mean has danced in her past. She's >> a hand tattoo is pretty suspect.
>> Yeah. At one point she >> I know. Yeah. Anybody with like hand tattoos, >> you can do it. You can say it too.
>> Face tattoos.
>> Say any anybody. And I I find suspect, you know.
>> Yeah. If you weren't molested, you're probably an evil person. I think they're kind of how that this works.
>> People look at this girl and they think of Arena Zerutska and that dude that >> Well, this is before that. I know.
>> Yeah. I've dated like five of her.
>> Like Zerutka is that blonde girl that got stabbed in the neck by the big black dude on the bus right before Charlie Kirk was killed. And it caused this massive inflammation of anger. And then this girl looks like her. So this is like the justice for Arena Zar. Oh, but that but Arena's where it was after.
>> Yeah, but it's all they look the same, >> you know. And this is going to sound insensitive to Arena, but I was I was watching this guy's going viral for uh it's called maxing, you know, where you just You guys have imagine if Arena walked on that um you know that I think it was a train or whatever it was, a bus, and she was acting all crazy and she was acting all, you know, crashed out. She probably wouldn't have got stabbed. My point is it's like we almost need to act crazier to fight the crazy. That's how insane it is. is like when you go in a Subway like you're going to get stabbed if you just try to act like a normal person in society.
>> Haven't you seen Die Hard 2 or whatever when Sam Jackson walks up to Mlan >> and he's wearing the sandwich board that says I hate and then he's like act crazy now and starts go like >> and then people get scared I'm saying >> well they beat him up anyway but >> it's like that's the only way to fight the craziness of the world is to almost act crazy >> but you don't want to become truly crazy. That's the danger of doing that.
>> Well Ian would know. I mean the Andy gone to the he's written a lot of manifesto about it. I used to walk alone at night in New York with my jacket hunched over like I was going to murder somebody just looking at people like psycho and people would move out of my way and avoid me and be like that's not my target.
>> You're not doing that now.
>> Well, it became I kind of like embodied that lifestyle. Now I'm like >> you got a full trench coat you showed up with >> in the summer July >> his personality by force. So like it was forced upon you because as a defense mechanism because New York is so dangerous >> trying to find Noah with a whip or some Hey, good luck, dude.
>> I You know, it's funny.
>> What about a live whipping of the child?
>> Not not bad skin break. Like, >> but the child >> like if she'd smack for stealing with like a rubber like a rubber hose, right?
>> The kid was stealing the skin. And if the lady would have the end bomb, it's like, well, you go up after him for a couple of lashings.
>> Okay. So, if the kid >> What if she bang child?
>> If they caught it on video and the kid was stealing out of her purse, this is all on video. And she was like, hey. And smacked the kid. There was no video though.
>> Would she be in trouble for that?
>> Yes. What are you doing? What do you What do you do if a person's stealing from your from you and you grab >> It's a child. You grab him and take the thing back and if it's a squirrel, IT'S A BABY.
>> What an squirrel.
>> Now we're charging squirrels.
>> A squirrel. Squirrels. I didn't figure it out. A squirrel squirrel.
>> What kind What kind of Exactly. What kind of squirrel was it?
>> That's a good question.
>> What was it wearing? It went to catch black squirrel. There are black squirrels all over campus. Yeah, the black squirrels.
>> The albino squirrels are the real like ones. You ever seen >> No, they the albino squirrels are never taking food from anybody.
>> I love smack break his face. I'm saying if she smacks his hand away from her purse.
>> You're assaulting a child.
>> Stealing. I don't care about your hand.
Stop.
>> Okay, guys. I I want to hear Ian on this. Ian, why do you think we should we should strike children? What if it's 17-year-old kid, a child stealing from your steal your wallet and you smack his hand away? Is that assault?
>> Yes.
>> Not a 17-year-old my wallet assault.
>> I steal your wallet and you smack it out of your wallet out of my hand, you get charged with assault from stopping a theft.
>> But if you shoot a attempted murder, you're okay. Wait.
It's just the craziest all the time.
>> You're saying if you kill someone, >> which is real. LIKE THAT'S A DEBATE.
What are you talking about?
>> You're saying that if you kill someone in self-defense, it's okay.
>> I didn't say kill. I said if it's pretty pretty well documented you to get it back, you can press charges. You might not get them, but you you What about people that break into houses and get hurt?
>> That's like only in California. That's like only in California where a guy fell in like a guy's glass roof and then they he got he got charged cuz he got fighting. You can't you can't hit first.
>> This is an important stealing.
>> Okay, Ian, hold on.
>> There are very few states, Ian. There are very few states that allows you to use force to recover property. I think Texas is one of them.
>> But I understand your argument. If a man came up to me to grab my stuff and I swung at him because I'm he's stealing from me. Yeah. I I don't I I wouldn't want a person going to jail because he's being robbed. But yeah, actually, we've talked about this on the show. I think Texas might be one of the only states where you're allowed to use force against someone to recover property. Is >> that after the fact? So, if you catch him in the act, I imagine it's different than after the fact going after them to get your property back.
>> You know, people be a target. If I steal something and they put their hands on me, I could charge them.
>> Yeah. It's not their property.
>> And there's a distinction. It's still I'm just saying the law cuz I had a friend that was security at Target and he said people would steal stuff and he'd just walk out with him cuz he couldn't do anything. He wasn't allowed to put his hands on him. I'm like what's the point of you being there? He's like I don't know. I'm just telling you that's my job.
>> Now let's clarify the the someone's going to kill you point. If you are you are only allowed to use force lethal force against someone if there is an active threat. Meaning, if someone shoots at you and misses and then throws the gun to the side, you can't shoot them only to stop them from trying to shoot.
>> So, similar would be if they're in the process of trying to steal from you as opposed to they got your thing and they're running.
>> Now, you're defending yourself.
>> Yeah. If you're defending yourself from an attempted theft, >> like your purse >> or a kid stealing your applesauce, whatever. I don't care what it is. If it's your property and someone's taking it, whether they're a six-year-old animal or 40-year-old animal, I don't care. You have a right to defend yourself.
>> You're going after squirrels. Let's just take your problem out of it because humans are animals.
>> Stupid animals.
>> And I got to I got to be honest. If a seagull snatched your wallet and you just whacked it and care.
>> No one would care.
>> I disagree. If a bald eagle came and took your sub sandwich and you hit it federal offense, >> what if it takes >> You're right. You're right. I just mean like WHAT IF IT TAKES YOUR WALLET FOR YOUR VIDEO? They're going to edit it where it looks like you just punched it for no reason. Ian, if a bald eagle takes your stuff, you let that eagle take it. If a bald eagle takes your ride home.
>> Let me finish. Let me finish. If a bald eagle takes something from you, you leave it alone because if you hurt that bald eagle, it is a federal offense and you will go to federal prison.
>> Yeah, but what if it's something you need?
>> Oh my god. I did. IT DOESN'T MATTER, DUDE.
>> IT'S YOUR INSULIN. IT'S YOUR diabetes medicine, dude. It is your diabetes.
>> Take your lilihood away. You're like, just let it take it.
>> If you took your livelihood, >> it takes your car keys.
>> It is a your only ride and you're 40 miles away.
I think we have medication.
>> You're like, just let it take it. It's that's the right thing to do. I'll I'll >> If you're on top of Mount Everest and you really federal offense, it is a federal offense to harm any kind of hawk, anything. What was that?
>> Yeah. Any migratory birds, right? So, it is a federal offense that is under covered under the US Fish and Wildlife.
And the the US Fish and Wildlife Police, they are armed to the teeth because they go out into the woods by themselves and they frequently run into people that have guns because they're they're going out there trying to enforce laws hunting and stuff. You will go to federal prison if you hurt a bald eagle or a hawk or any kind of migratory bird.
>> So, I have I have a question. What if a squirrel is trying to break into your house?
>> Squirrel's not a bird.
>> Shoot it on sight.
>> Can't you shoot on sight? Yeah.
I listen I have >> shoot a squirrel like 9 mil just it vaporizes.
>> I have a lot of squirrels in New Hampshire >> for breaking into your house.
>> Well, not for breaking in but because they get >> What color were the squirrels?
>> Uh let's not talk about that today.
>> But if you're out in the woods and the eagle the bald eagle takes your car key.
>> All of your listen are you saying you'll let the bald eagle take your >> These are these are argument. Listen, these are arguments.
>> You're actually insane.
>> You are insane. But these are arguments.
I don't like the I don't like the key analogy, but if they took my medicine, my like let's say they took my dad's diabetes.
>> These are arguments you make IN COURT and guy's HAVING A FREAKING >> WHEN IS THIS GOING IT'S NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN. HEY, BALD EAGLES ARE GOING TO SWOOP DOWN AND STEAL YOUR DAD'S DIABETES MEDICINE.
and these are these are arguments that your lawyer will make in court, but it doesn't change the fact that you will be breaking a federal law and the feds will have the authority to pick you up about it.
>> No, please don't ask another question from that answer.
>> Please, >> it comes back to the same thing. He's going to say it again about the bird.
All same rule applies the whole time. If you're a He-Man and the bird steals your sword and now you can't have the power to be the master of the universe. Kill the bird.
You cannot take just wave. Let Skeletor win.
>> Thank you.
>> So you're saying you're SAYING, >> "OH MY GOD, SHUT UP."
>> YOU GUYS ARE SAYING LET Skeletor win the right thing to do.
>> Oh, please.
>> What I'm wondering is >> I want to debate politics. It's illegal time in my life.
>> It's illegal to smack a thief. Okay.
>> We get it. We get it.
>> But it's not the wrong thing to do.
That's >> okay. Here's a story from Fox News.
Chaos erupts as House passes $1.15 trillion defense bill with Israel provision. Quote, "Stop stoking Jew hatred. Democrats and Republican skeptics join forces against section 209 while transgender provisions further split the vote." I'm going to say this.
The NDAA has the save act, the trans thing, the Israel thing. You are all insane. All members of Congress are insane. This is all of this is just the stupidest thing ever. And it shows we are completely dysfunctional when they're like, "We're going to authorize the military to go to war and require IDs to vote and grant trans rights and also integrate our our military technology with Israel." I'm just like, >> there's no Congress anymore. N >> we're we're not actually passing bills.
>> Everything's what they're doing is they're getting the tiny bits from the bottom of the Play-Doh canisters and mashing them all together and then telling you they made a model of something and you're like, a thing.
>> Yeah. I don't think our military's in integrated enough with Israel. I feel like we need to be more like Ben M.
Netanyahu needs to be like leading our troops. Um, so I'm a little frustrated with the bill. I don't think it went far enough. Personally, >> the reality of of what's of what the section 219 is is they're looking to put uh the US and Israel more in because it's not integrating our militaries.
It's it's an what?
>> It's technology. Yeah, it's integrating technology >> and weapons.
>> But the big the one of the biggest problems is if that inter because right now we've already got a lot of intertwined stuff with with Israel and and stuff. But >> one of the hold on hold on hold on hold on. But the point is if you intertwine things like that in the future if there's some kind of problem it's hard to undo it, right?
Like you it's not as easy because like look at the stuff that went on with anthropic. Mike Benz was talking about this last night, the stuff that went on with Anthropic and the Department of War, right? Part of the reason like Anthropic is still working with the Department of War because they have programs that Anthropics AI was involved in. They have to and to pull those things out. You can't just yank all of the anthropic software out and replace it with new stuff because you're dealing with like sensitive topics. You're dealing with with, you know, multi-level uh multi-clarance uh programs and stuff like that. So to get that stuff out, it's a lot of work. And that's one of the worst things about the whole 219 thing is if you integrate like that, it gets real hard to take it out. And it's like, so we were talking about the uh the the the Trump administration authorizing the Saudis to have nuclear reactors, right? Because so they can make nuclear power.
>> But but what if a bald eagle comes?
>> I'm going to I got my gun on me. I will shoot myself if you do that, Tim.
Unironically, I do want to make this point and like there's like the conspiracy side of it. It's like they've already been integrated. Now it's just kind of like, hey, look, now it's on paper and this is they're going to have access to our technology. But then I can also look at it unironically in favor of it because maybe it'll stop Israel from bombing Beirut. So maybe maybe we'll have more control over them going into Lebanon or Egypt or Turkey. I mean, I wrong, but maybe now that we're more integrated.
>> Let me finish my point. Let me finish my point. The situation with Saudi Arabia that I was talking about, right? So the US is talking about giving uh nuclear reactors to Saudi Arabia which likely would lead to Saudi Arabia having nuclear weapons because it's a small step. Um they the Trump administration after Saudi Arabia signed the deal they said okay now as a stipulation after the fact you have to join the Abraham Accords and recognize Israel diplomatically. Which means that the Saudis are probably going to say no we don't want to do the deal. And if you give Israel that kind of influence over the that kind of that kind of integration with the military, those kind of things happen in the future. So there could be a deal that the US has is trying to do with the UAE that's beneficial to both parties. And Israel steps in and says, "No, we don't want this because we don't like the UAE or we don't like this." And you don't want your country to have their sovereignty overridden by a third country. Like that's something that the US should be very very wary of.
>> Live in a sovereign country. I look I'm not gonna That's not the argument we're having, right? I'm talking Well, well, we're talking about 219. Do you want to change the subject?
>> No, no. I'm just saying >> because you want to derail it over. It's like Ian too over here.
>> Derail it, but I think I think it's gerine to this whole entire thing. I'm just saying I think there's an argument and Tucker said it like and there's been multiple people have said it. Do we live in a sovereign country like >> Okay. So, are you asking does Israel control our country?
>> Do they have a >> is are you asking if Israel Just say it if you're going to say it. Okay. Stop stop dancing around like a >> Dude, I'm just saying listen, if somebody's going to say, you know, Alex, the pharmaceutical lobbyists pay a lot more than um uh Apac. That's probably true. But our is our healthare system good here in America?
>> No. Exactly. No, actually, no. Hold on.
The the the health care system in the United States is the best in the world.
Paying for it's the problem. We make the vast majority of the advances and we have the best service in the whole world. It's just that it's super expensive. The US makes us the vast majority of advances are made >> under 18. I'm >> When it comes to actually people that actually go to the doctor, >> have you been to the doctor?
>> Yeah.
>> You're saying it's excellent service.
>> It's better than anywhere else in the world.
>> Just because it's not Nigeria, >> it's not perfect. Let me make this point. I have >> Yeah, >> I was in Turkey.
>> But listen, Nigeria had a lower >> Let me just make this point though. They they keep saying America has the best healthcare system. Nigeria had a lower COVID mortality rate than America.
>> We've already derailed when we're talking about CO.
>> You're saying when >> Look, the point that I'm making, >> how is Nigeria better at handling CO than America?
>> The point that I'm making is 219 is bad.
The section 219 of the NDAA is bad. We don't want to have other countries overriding deals that we're trying to do with third parties.
>> I agree.
>> So then why'd you derail the conversation?
>> I'm trying to derail. I just think there's, you know, other topics that are associated with this entire, you know, topic.
>> So, okay. So, to your other point or the other comment that you implied because you were too much of a coward to actually say, >> but that Israel controls everything.
>> Yeah. Okay, there you go. Israel Israel donates to 95% of our politicians and special interest groups. I think you just admitted this.
>> The United States is not a client nation to Israel.
>> Well, Bill Clinton wondered if that was true or not. The United States if the United States is not a client country, a client nation to Israel. Israel does have an over like have over representation in our in our government.
>> You just LOST A DEBATE.
>> ONLY BECAUSE YOU YELL.
>> LOOK AT I CAN YELL, TOO.
>> Hold on there. Hold on. Alice, I got to I got to say Phil can yell way better than you.
>> I agree.
>> Yeah. You heard a professional.
>> I'm not I can't yell. I'm just saying they're over integrated. So we >> they So there's a difference.
>> I'm not saying that they run the government, but >> that's what YOU LITERALLY JUST SAID.
THAT'S WHY I SPECIFICALLY ASKED YOU. I SPECIFICALLY ASKED YOU AND I CALLED YOU names about it.
>> Hold on. Overgeneralization.
>> You said something crazier than that.
You said, "Do we have a sovereign nation?"
>> It it sometimes it doesn't seem like we do, honestly.
>> Why?
>> Because it seems like special interest groups >> hold on. Special interest groups don't If you have like a pharmaceutical lobby, you're still a sovereign nation. But you're when you say, "Are we a sovereign nation?" You're you're implying another government has power over us.
>> Yes. Because what I think is I think America's leading the charge of globalism and and we bring up Alex Jones. We talked about this for years.
I'm an anti-globalist and I think America is leading the charge in globalism. So when once we once we make that our objective to be the global leader of the world, yeah, it makes us less sovereign. That's my argument.
>> What's wrong with globalization?
>> Are you kidding? I mean, what's wrong with >> I'm asking you a question so you can explain yourself. Why are you mad?
Because I get frustrated because >> I didn't say it was for globalization.
>> America should be America. We don't need to be America, Mexico, and and so I don't so our sovereignty.
>> This is the important question because what you're saying is >> you don't want everything to be one nation.
>> Of course, >> because there's other interpretations of globalization is just an over like a like an >> Do you like the Euro? You like the Euro?
>> I'm I didn't say I was in favor of all of this. Um my point is some people would argue that globalization is more like there was an international adjudicating body for for disputes.
America would remain sovereign within its own borders and Mexico would >> but instead of war you have lawsuits.
>> Yeah. But it's funny because that same lobby that you're insinuating considers Benjamin Netanyahu a war criminal and then Mayor Mani and I'm not even trying to get on that thing says oh I want to arrest him. I'm not saying Netanyahu should be arrested but I'm saying we do have these governing bodies these I'm saying. I'm saying you have multinational governing bodies that we didn't listen to. So it's all bro. New York is a rogue state at this exaggeration.
>> The Secretary of State just last week came out and specifically made a statement saying that the that the International Criminal Court has no jurisdiction in the United States. When the Secretary of State comes out and says that, that means the policy of the United States is we don't give a what you think.
>> Yeah. Well, I like Marco Rubio, but his shoes don't fit. So that's I mean >> Saran Mani should be in jail >> for what?
>> Violating the Logan Act >> for what? For trying to put another for >> putting a public statement out saying that you first of all he threatened to arrest Netany several times.
>> Mhm.
>> I don't even like Netanyahu. I've said several times he's got to go.
>> A lot of people in Israel don't ex off without him. But um Zoramdani as a mayor issued a statement a threat of force against a foreign dignitary which is a violation of the Logan Act explicitly.
explicitly he should be arrested and charged for it. We we cannot have mayors threatening US foreign policy >> that like we we can't have that.
>> We should probably shouldn't have presidents doing crypto schemes either, but you know some you know rules for the for me. I mean you know what I mean?
>> Okay. I'm just I'm saying like whether it's Trump or or Blanch you have there there's different rules for for people in power than you and I is what I'm trying to is would be my argument.
>> I know you want to you've not you've not addressed the argument at You want to say that, oh, he should be charged with the Logan Act. Well, he's a mayor of New York. I would not exactly say what? But they're going to say, oh, well, he's speaking hyperbolically and >> No, he's not. That's what they're >> Are you joking?
>> That's what they're going to say.
>> He He's been several statements.
>> Do you think he's going to face any sort of legal?
>> Of course not. Because we we were in a nation of cowards.
>> Agree. We agree.
>> We used to be We used to be a nation of conquerors. Now we're a nation of cowards.
>> Oh, but Zoran said, "But if I arrest him, people will get mad at me."
I listen I'm just telling you I think America is leading the charge of globalism and I'm >> of course they've always called the liberal economic order.
>> So when you guys say oh do we live in a sovereign country I that's why that would be my argument to that >> but our our nation conquering other nations doesn't mean we're not sovereign.
>> No actually I think us conquering other nations takes away sovereignty right like Puerto Rico adding you know yes giving them should Puerto Ricans have the right to vote?
>> No hold I have a question they do have the right to vote. Well, I'm saying should they be should they be the 51st state or should be the 52nd state?
>> Should the US have returned Mexico after the uh the the the after the war?
>> The Mexican America or the me the Texas Mexico?
>> We we we took uh the the West to the California, but we gave back large portions like Baja California. Should we have kept it?
>> Probably not. We should probably give him some. You know, I like big boot.
>> I'm saying I I like big booty Latinos.
>> Should we give California back?
>> Not necessarily. But I will tell you why. Why shouldn't Puerto Rico >> I think we should give immigration rights to Mexicans over Mumbai Indians that are using HIV visa scams. So I'm more proxican than I >> none of that and all immigration 10 years I think booty li that especially Australia. But I'm saying you know but but Phil could we not argue though that a Mexican from the Baja has at least a little more claim to America than somebody from Mumbai or >> only Americans born in America to American parents in my opinion have any sort of claim to the United States.
There is a slew of people that we saw last summer protesting ICE, waving Mexican flags, saying that they hate America and they protest ICE. Those people have no claim to America. Even if they're even if if they're first generation Americans or if they're illegal immigrants, they have no claim to America >> at all.
>> I'm just saying I feel like, you know, the Mexican has a little more claim than somebody from India. That's >> But do do I have any claim?
>> Were you born in America?
>> Boom.
>> Are you an American? Are you a citizen?
>> Well, but but hold on. You are white.
>> Oh, that's what I'm waiting for.
>> Are you a citizen?
>> Okay.
>> Are you a green card?
>> You have a green card? Well, then you don't have a claim to America cuz you're not a citizen.
>> You should be deported. He thinks you should be >> think I should be deported.
>> Well, um, so no, because No, no, because I said all illegal immigrants.
>> Okay. Well, but >> Oh, yeah. I Now you're splitting hairs trying to change what I said because >> like as a as a person that camer country Yeah. and like and struggled >> immigrant >> and had you I'll give you one more and then we'll see.
>> We're fighting.
>> I've seen you fight, dude. Just shut up.
>> Okay.
>> Anyway, uh I came here legally.
>> I did win that fight >> and I had to get Sure. I had to get uh like I had to get lawyers and I had to get people write me letters. my job that I was the only person that could do the job and I just so happened to fill a spot that was not uh a spot that anyone else was taking. Like it was pretty ser I had a child here and they were like we don't really care about that. What are you doing here? And I had to like like Tony Hawk wrote me a letter and said he's the guy >> for the job and it was a lot lawyers and all the I went in and then they gave it to me. It was a big deal. It was very hard. Not to mention all the things I did to get to that spot to have the money to have a lawyer to let me have a green card for the athlete visas for 12 years before that. I had a is it a P3? I think I can't remember. P1. Anyway, so all that to get in here legally.
>> Yeah.
>> Someone else just walks over. There is a part of me that goes, "Hey man, like >> did I I never did. There were guys in skateboarding that did come here and tried to stay illegally cuz they couldn't get the money for the thing and then they got caught crossing the border 7-year ban. And I was like, well, we knew that. So if you do that, that's your fault. Nobody was like the government's mean for sending you back.
Like we knew you get caught with no visa at seven years. Like that's your skateboard career. It's you putting that on the line.
>> Yeah. P visas are athletes.
>> Yeah. So, I had a six-year one twice and then I got a green card.
>> But, but to get a P1 visa from a skateboard company, I was top five in the world, like really in there. And they're like, "All right, we'll take care of them." Do you know how hard it was to get that?
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> Like, so there was a piece of me that's like, "You guys, you need to go in legally. That's it. Too bad." Do you know how bad their lives are? I don't, >> you know, and and mine wasn't.
>> I wasn't in poverty. Nobody was trying to murder me in Australia. It was pretty I probably could have got a job. It's pretty cheap.
>> Uh it's probably P1. Uh P1 P1. That's right.
>> P1 is athletes, individual athletes, >> right? Because I remember thinking one of the coolest at the time that was the coolest thing that I'd done in my life.
I had a P1 visa. So when I'd go to Australia, people like you just I can go whenever I want. How? Athlete visa, mate.
>> Well, so it means but P1 means you're internationally recognized as a top tier athlete in your in your field. Yeah, because I remember all the letters that everyone had to write cuz I just remember thinking I'll go in with my wife and my daughter and it'll be done and they were like this doesn't mean anything to us.
>> I I know a lot of people who skate they and they got O visas and that just means extraordinary ability. So >> there's an O visa.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But so so just understand when you got a P visa, they're basically saying you're one of the best in the world.
>> I was I Yes. A lot of people want to argue that these days on uh YouTube chat, but >> it's cuz that's I'm old, so like my my credential.
>> YouTube chat, they're terrible.
>> I know. It pays me, but it also chips away at my It's good for me. I like being insulted cuz it's like you're nothing. You know what I mean? And I go on YouTube chat to be refreshed that every day just in case you thought you were special. You're ego. You suck.
>> I get it all the time. You're worse than >> Yeah, but I I I'm uh I'm I'm very much in favor of legal immigration >> and uh and >> I'm not I think legal immigration worse.
>> You think I should go?
>> Yeah, probably. Um >> because because you took a job from an American skater, you know, that there's an American skater.
>> It was on the table. If you beat me, you can have it. But uh oh, looks like he can't. Suck a butt.
>> Well, the reason why I say that is because literally what's happening with our H1B visa scam, it's like, you know, that's a Yeah. But so I'm not a fan of that. I'm saying that we need to have a proper legal immigration.
>> Yeah. If you come here illegally, of course. I'm not against that. But I do think people are cheating this.
>> You're saying no immigration.
>> I want I want to end all immigration for like a decade so that way the people that are here can assimilate because >> Yeah. But what about what what about like the white people that could come?
>> Uh tough titty.
>> What about what about the next P1 athlete from Australia? So, I think that that if you well, first of all, the the process takes a long time, but I don't think the point that I'm making is I want the people that are here to be able to become Americans, right? I want them to assimilate into our into our culture.
I don't want I don't like the idea of places that are like enclaves like you hear about where where it's like this is this area is like, you know, it's it's predominantly this culture and they don't want to be Americans. For the vast majority of our history, people that came to America, they came here and they wanted to become American, right? You hear stories about the the Ellis Island uh immigrants, right? Their parents would come from the old country and they had kids here and their kids, they'd be like, "You have to speak English because you want to become an American." If you're just coming to the United States because you're looking to if you're looking for the essentially the way I described it yesterday is like if you're looking for the United States to save you, right? Like I don't think that the United States actually I know the United States cannot save everybody that's in that's bad that's in a a destitute situation somewhere else in the world.
>> How do you know if they're looking to be saved?
>> Well, if you come to the United States and you get on some social programs right away, that's a that's a good indicator. The point that I'm making is is we can if we we've had long stretches where immigration was ended from the from after the Ellis Island wave came, we had like no immigration until like the 60s or something like that.
>> What about if you're a contributor? So, that sounds like you'd be okay with that.
>> Um, if >> you can prove that you're a, you know, somebody that's like uh building some new car or some plane or, you know, he's got some sort of uh food thing that he's figured out that's going to make it easier and make us more money as a country. Like, yeah, you can have a visa. Like, you're you're contributing like a great doctor, scientist.
>> If you're talking from Sweden or whatever, would it be okay if they moved here? If you're talking about a like a quota system where there's like, okay, there's going to be a 100,000 people that can get in. Okay. Right. Like I >> answer that question that I just asked you though.
>> Well, if you're Well, it the the point is if you're going to get one of the if you're going to be on the quota system, there'd have to be justification. So, it have to be like So, yes, if it's someone like that's got, you know, someone that's a doctor or someone that has some kind of special >> on the burden coming in and being a burden to this country. I see that. I see it's not fair for us, >> but it's also there the arguments where it's like yes, these people come in and take stuff that I could have had like he thinks I took someone's job.
>> Well, Somalians actually take like 87% of like social services in the state of Min, >> right? But how much money is I know this is not I'm like I'm arguing with another argument. So, but that seems to be a thing that people do. But is that the biggest hole that the that the country is taking is from like American Well, no, no. So, so check it out here. I'll give you one example is that uh the latest assessment uh I think it was a government assessment >> housing housing is 30% more expensive because of mass migration over the last six years.
>> Yeah% so when you say mass migration is that a particular country or is it everybody everywhere?
>> Everybody in general but it was it was illegal immigration.
>> There was a long there was a long time.
No, it is it is a particular then.
>> No. Well, no, it No, no, no. So, so a lot of people No, but Well, that's the point. Wait, wait, wait. Guys, guys, >> this is important for me to say to Jason. We had people from Eratraa flying to Brazil and then Eratraa, Eastern Africa, >> and they would fly across Africa, then then like West Africa, then fly to Brazil, then take a train, like ride trains and travel up to the southern border of of the United States. This was a there were Somali, there were Iranians, they were Chinese. It was not Mexico.
>> Mexicans Mexicans don't like the the >> Mexico offered all of these people asylum to stay in Mexico and they said >> they come through Mexico and they come through Mexico because the southern border is so poorest especially >> and so what happens is they say there's a housing shortage and there's a low-skll uh uh uh labor shortage because you have estimates between 10 and 20 million illegal immigrants coming since uh from 2020 2021 to 2020. Uh >> all right. Well, ju based on what you've just told me, then yeah, I'm for I'm with you.
>> But I got I'll pull up, but I but I I don't think >> so. Just to clarify, you're you're okay with immigration if it's good people contributors.
>> Well, yeah. I mean, look, our our we were talking about this yesterday a little bit, like the United States has always been a place that attracts people that have an I can do this attitude, right?
>> Yeah. Particularly >> that's me. But like because historically especially before you know before say say before 1945 right before a lot of air travel became common. So but before 1950 to get on a ship and go the two week trip and go to the United States with nothing you have to have a certain amount of belief in your own agency. You have the ability. you're the kind of person that thinks I'm going to happen to America as opposed to people that stay where they are and are, you know, bummed out about their circumstances. They if you if you stay in a bad circumstance, there's a part of you that feels like the world happens to me. And this is I it's described as believing that you have agency or believing that you don't have agency. If you're the kind of person that constantly thinks, "This bad thing happened to me. This bad thing happened to me. This bad thing happened to me."
That's someone that believes that the world happens to them. If you're the kind of person that says, "Well, I'm going to do this. This bad thing happened, so I'm going to do this. So, I'm going to do that. I'm going to do."
You believe you have agency. You believe that your actions impact the world, right? As opposed to believing that the world impacts you. So, if you're going to get on a boat and come all the way over to the United States, you know, when it was hard, like really hard. It wasn't just get on an airplane when it was really hard, you generally had the idea of I happen to the world. I'm going to make something happen. I'm going to do this. And that's the kind of people that the United States has historically attracted.
>> It can be both. Like, I definitely had that mindset. I came here to be the best pro skateboarder in the world. And I was pretty sure that was going to happen.
And then when I saw Tony Hawkgate, I was like, "Oh shit." And he took that away from me where I was like, "The world is against me because the world made Tony Hawk son of a >> and you can't beat that guy. It ruined my whole plan." I was like, "O second will do."
>> Check this out. This is from Dallasf Fed.org. It says, "A back of the envelope calculation suggests that unauthorized immigrant worker flows can explain about 30% of the total growth in house prices and 20% of total growth in rents over the boom period for the average local market.
>> So, >> so yeah, >> and and you were talking about um you know, you were alluding to social security as well or the or what kind of cost it is. The biggest driver of our debt is Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security, right? And social security doesn't just it does cover people that you know retire, but it also covers a boatload of other services.
>> I just I just want to make sure I clarify because it mentioned the boom period. It it it uh it did state the this is it said UIWF, which is an acronym for unauthorized immigrant worker flows. And the boom period is defined as early 2021 to early 2024, >> which is Joe Biden's Joe Biden. Yeah, that's four years.
>> Bro, let me show you I'm going to show you a video. It's going to blow your mind. I'm going to show you a video.
Keep talking to the point that >> California cuz they're so crazy because >> I didn't move because I of any of that >> but the prices are >> Can you not tell that I don't know or watch what any of you guys talk about right now been more focused I do >> to stay in the conversation. I don't listen to any of it because I'm my opinion is both sides will sorry f your mother for the money like they don't care about you. So like just make the most of your life. I'm going to ask that no one in this room say anything and just let Jason watch this video with no comment.
>> Wait, did that tractor open that?
Is that what that's doing?
>> Yes.
>> See, these are all Mexicans, right?
>> No.
>> So, so here So, now let me explain to you what this is.
>> Texas laid concertina wire and put up fences to protect the border.
>> Yeah. Joe Biden ordered the the uh ordered the DHS, CBP and ICE to send a forklift to break through the fence, lift up the wire, and allow illegal immigrants to enter the country in violation of our laws.
>> I don't believe you.
>> It's true.
>> Does that look at the family at the bottom? Does that >> You don't believe it?
>> I'm gl I'm glad you're saying that though because it's so shocking people don't believe it.
>> It went to the Supreme Court, right?
>> Yeah.
>> Wait, it went to our Supreme Court.
>> Open the fence with a tractor.
>> Yes. Because because Texas said your your responsibility federal government the border >> from the American uh immigration council bid administration can remove Texas razor wire bear at the border of supreme court rules. So the Texas state guard was trying to keep illegal immigrants out and the bid administration illegally in violation of our laws as the executive sent set sent forklifts to lift up the razor wire to allow them to enter our country. What would be the purpose of that?
>> To ruin our elections.
>> Okay. No, wait. No, let me give I'm let give you the real answer.
>> Wait, those guys are going to vote?
>> No.
>> Well, they can get >> Let me give you the real answer. I'll give you the real answer. I want the real answer.
>> There's two. The first is that our population is not growing. And so, in order to maintain a welfare system like Social Security, you need to increase the labor market. The Democrat's solution to this was to bring in 10 to 20 million illegal immigrants so that we have a massive new tax base. The second issue is that these people were then shuttled by the Biden administration via plane and bus into urban centers. So that in the census in in the upcoming census in 2020, late 2020, 2021, I'm sorry, this is this is going to be 2030, you have people who cannot vote but count towards the electoral college in Congress. So >> the way Okay, can I explain >> New Jersey that can vote >> in a city like he's fun? Well, I just I'm trying to explain something very serious and you guys are derailing.
Okay, >> go ahead.
>> 775,000 people will constitute one congressional seat.
>> It doesn't matter if those people vote or not.
>> The census tracks how many people live in various areas and then draws a congressional district. For every congressional district and Senate seat, you get one electoral college vote for the president. So, these individuals don't vote, but it doesn't matter. THEY JUST FOUND 6600. NO, BUT THEY JUST FOUND 6600 in New Jersey.
>> Dude, he's close to solving.
>> I'm literally explaining that someone's never heard it before. And you're derailing >> saying that illegal immigrants don't vote. You're saying illegal immigrants don't vote. They do vote.
>> I've hit my head so many times, Alex. I want >> This is why. You know why? You know why I'm so mad about what you're doing? This is why you can't explain to liberals what's really going on because you jump in, derail the conversation in the middle of the most important part.
>> You said illegal immigrants don't vote in New Jersey. They just got caught giving ballots to now.
Let him get there.
No, listen, Alex. First of all, I'm getting to that point and I need to explain the basics of illegal immigration to someone who's never heard it before. You are then derailing when a point I said is the 10 million people are not voting.
>> Okay?
>> 6600 were registered to vote. We're not there yet.
>> Okay. Well, they said it's more than 6,600.
>> Indeed, 35,000. But again, the point is this.
>> I'm going to choke you out. When conservatives do this all the time, a liberal says, "I don't believe you." And then a conservative starts screaming on January 6 this. And then you're like, "Guy, this person's never heard that Joe Biden opened the border." And you're jumping into Supreme Court MCV uh glitches. You You are jumping the gun so far into the conversation.
>> And you literally said illegal immigrants can't vote. And we >> No, I didn't. No, I didn't. But if you would shut up for two seconds, >> I said these people coming in don't vote. And the important thing for people to understand, >> Jersey, >> right? This is why conservatives lose >> because when you go into the records, you will find we found 400 illegal immigrants who voted 400.
>> There's estimates of more, but it is not what is what is meaningful to how they are destroying the political system in this country. And conservatives are first, too many of them are first order thinkers who, this is what happens.
Donald Trump comes out and goes, "I illegal immigrants are voting." And then they go, "Prove it." And you can't because what they're really doing is, and see, Alex doesn't understand this.
And this is why we lose. This is why we lose.
>> You take 10 million people.
>> You are going to create about seven to eight congressional seats. It doesn't matter if they vote or not. You have created seven or eight congressional seats that a Democrat will win from the American votes.
>> Let me explain. Member of Congress.
>> This is because of a census. This is all because >> Can you just stop?
>> Well, let me augment what you're saying as you're going.
>> Can you just stop so I can finish what I'm saying?
>> I feel like we can finish it quicker together, but go please.
>> Right. I've already explained congressional aortionment and y'all just Okay, we drop congressional seats. We have 435 >> and then we have 100 Senate seats.
Senate is determined by every state gets two. That's done no matter what. But if we put 300,000 illegal immigrants in Austin and then spread them out between three congressional districts, we guarantee three more Democrats in Congress.
>> Wait, they they without voting there automatically the vote is for Democrat.
>> So here's how it works. If you >> how does that how does it go Democrat or Republic?
>> Let's say you have 400,000 Democrats.
>> Yeah. A congressional district is going to be 775,000 people. If we put in 300,000 non-citizens who cannot vote and we draw the district around them, >> you only need a small portion of Democrats to guarantee a Democrat seat because the illegal immigrants can't vote.
>> Get it?
>> How the does that work?
>> So, let's say you have 775,000 Americans >> and it's 5050 Democrat Republican. It's a tough race.
>> Yeah. So, let's say we then take a 100,000 illegal immigrants, put them uh next in in this area, >> and then say, "Uhoh, we have a 100,000 extra people. We then draw the congressional district to cut out the 100,000 Republicans." You now have 40% 40 35% Republican, 45% Democrat, and 100,000 non- voters. You have just created a Democrat district by doing so.
Oh, this is what they're doing with illegal immigration in major cities. So that in Texas, you get more Dem. Now, here's the crazy part. We don't choose our president by popular vote. We choose them by electoral college. So if California is getting extra congressional seats because they have illegal immigrants being counted in the census, California gets extra votes for the president.
>> Indeed.
Now, to Alex's point, New Jersey just found 35,000 non-citizens registered to vote and they found 400 of them voted.
The reason why, and I apologize for getting mad, I apologize to everybody.
>> It's okay.
>> The reason why I get mad is you jumped over the real issue, which is 20 million people in this country are giving Democrats an estimated 10 to 20 extra congressional seats. And that means when our Congress votes on a law, Democrats are over represented by allowing illegal immigrants into the country.
>> And I agree that's a bigger problem, Tim, than necessarily 6,000, you know, illegal immigrants voting. But I'm just saying somehow they do find loopholes to illegally vote. And that's >> and they do, but it's not the real issue. The real issue is that I'm just saying if we Trump tried to make it so the census had a question on it, are you a US citizen?
>> And he got blocked by lawsuits. M >> if we were to remove every illegal immigrant from the census, Republicans would have like a 30 seat majority and Republicans would win every election.
Every law would be passed by Republicans. Democrats basically would be a non-existent party after happening right now.
>> Well, they said they said almost 50/50.
And this all happened the Republicans are in charge.
>> The Republicans control the Senate by like by by a tiebreaker vote essentially, which is the vice president. So they can't because they need 60 votes to to to put things through.
>> Oh, but If it goes the other way, then they just stop each other. That's the whole point, right?
>> Not really.
>> The whole point would be if we didn't have illegal immigrants, the political parties would be a moderate Democrat party and a moderate Republican party.
>> I don't know if that's true because, you know, when they started this whole immigration thing was after Ronald Reagan won 49 out of 50 states. That's when they started to push.
>> California was a Republican state until they granted mass amnesty to illegal immigrants and it functionally al So California is interesting as a state.
What happened was bunch of illegal immigrants were brought in.
>> Those illegal immigrants have kids.
Those kids are American citizens.
>> The state in the late ' 80s, early 90s said, "We're no longer going to allow illegal immigrants to get access to public welfare. The illegal immigrants children revolted and voted to give welfare to non-citizens."
>> Ah.
>> So the so this is the problem with mass migration. All of these people we see coming in illegally, they're going, they can't vote, but what they can do is take US dollars and send them back to other countries, stripping the economy. They can take jobs that were normally taken by 16, 17, and 18 year olds, and they're going to pad Democrat districts, creating more districts specifically for Democrats.
>> What about the argument of uh people will not do the jobs they do?
>> This is not it's fabricated. we would have to pay uh us more than what they would get and would that do anything completely fabricated in >> Trump think you think a bunch of 16 18 year olds will pick fruit and >> yes it's it's a fact that they will >> same amount of money >> when when Donald Yes No asking you know that right >> it's $20 an hour so you go to a you go to a 16-year-old and say you want 20 bucks an hour to pick strawberries and say yes >> when uh in Donald Trump's first term they raided a bunch of meat processing plants in southern states >> they mass deported It's in like one weekend, 800 illegal immigrants. And the very next day, lines were out the door from locals trying to get jobs in the meat processing plants.
>> Oh >> The reason and and for the same wages.
And a reporter interviewed one of the guys. It's like a it's like a white redneck looking dude. And they're like, "Why would you want to work at this job?
This is a job Americans don't want." And he goes, "I work at a gas station. This pays more."
>> So what's happening is you want to know why they want to bring these illegal workers in? The political reason is to create more to to put in more workers to our bigger tax base to create more Democrat districts. But more importantly, a lot of these companies, you know what they'll do? They bring in illegal immigrant, tell them, "We're going to pay you $2,000 at the end of the month, and then the day before the month ends, they call ICE and have them deported and pay them nothing, >> which I that's how I got my freaking uh kitchen fixed. I just had a bunch of ICE agents arrest all the Somalians done."
>> So, here's what frustrates me. Here's what frustrates me.
>> Trump Trump comes out and says there's millions of illegal immigrants voting and there aren't. And then conservatives say things like Soros is paying protesters. He's not. These things are >> protesters are organized and paid.
>> They are not.
>> Through Facebook groups, Tim, I go to these protesters.
>> Okay, see this is what I'm talking about.
>> We could argue this all day long. You are wrong.
>> Not every single protesters paid 100 bucks, but they organize them. See, you're changing the subject now.
>> So you don't think these protesters >> protesters are not paid.
>> Okay. So the Tim now we're arguing semantics. The people that organized the protests are being paid.
>> This is why you can't effectively communicate with moderates.
>> But would you agree?
>> This is why conservatives organizing the protest on the Facebook groups that I see watching this show. It's pretty funny.
>> They are getting paid. Those people are getting all the time.
>> And that's why I said protesters are not getting paid.
>> Well, some of them are.
>> The organizers are not protesters because they don't go out and get arrested. They stand back, put out flyers, trick people into coming down who don't get paid. And this is what conservatives do. They go to a group of liberals and say protests are getting paid. And then they all go, "Where's my Soros check?" because they're not getting paid. There are organizers that work for nonprofits that have salaries for those nonprofits who go to universities and flyer to create protests and don't go to them. They make them happen. They rally them. And they are not the ones that are on the ground leading these protest marches. Well, I'm just saying they're inorganically encouraged protest.
>> So when you go to a liberal holding a sign at a protest who was tricked tricked into being there and then on Fox News, Hannity goes, "They're being paid by Soros." You immediately have isolated yourself from them. This is what Hannity did during Occupy Wall Street.
>> And this is the I I told Steve Bannon this Steve uh uh Andrew Breitbart was at CPAC and there's a famous video where he's standing out screaming at the protest, you're all a bunch OF ANIMALS.
YOU'RE A BUNCH AND it went massively viral and it rallied occupy protesters against conservatives. It is the it is the utmost of ignorance and stupidity that these conservatives and I and I have to wonder if they're deep state when they do. If the intention is to make sure moderates can never get access to the truth because when you go to them and say illegal immigrants are voting they say no they're not and you can't prove it. So when I say Joe Biden got forklifts to lift up concertina wire to allow millions of illegal immigrants for a specific purpose and you cut me off to change the subject. I that is frustrating.
>> Well, I think people can walk and chew gum at the same time. So I think people could think two things at once.
>> I was at Occupy Wall Street and do you know what everyone said after Hannity had on these people saying they're paid by Soros?
Every single protester started laughing and mocking Fox News because nobody was getting paid. And thus the conservatives who were there at Occupy on the first weekend who were holding up American flags left.
And then Mitt Romney comes out and says, "We are the 47% of people who actually pay taxes." Creating the 47% movement.
And all of a sudden, what was once a large protest that had libertarians, conservatives, and liberals together was literally just leftists.
That's it. The first weekend, sec second weekend of Occupy, an elderly couple brought a couch, put it down, put an American flag behind them, and they said that they were Republicans and conservatives that were angry that Barack Obama bailed out the big banks.
They bail out the automotive industry, but they don't bail out the Americans.
Conservatives sitting with liberals and hippies and libertarians. Lucowski was there. Anarchist, >> I was there.
>> Ian was there. All different sorts. Sean Hannity goes on TV and says they're a bunch of whackaloon lefties paid by Soros. All the conservatives left. Well, I think that I mean obviously that's like propaganda and people fell for >> a video uh a photo emerged of a guy taking a dump on a squad car. Hannity shows that photo and says, "Look at these disgusting people.
>> I don't want to be associated with that as a Republican." And then everyone left. Yep. I get it.
>> And so there I was trying to be like, "No, no, we all agree they stole public tax money to bail out banks and corporations for themselves. Didn't matter anymore." The conservatives all left because of the Soros argument. And the truth is there were individuals working there who were paid from nonprofits that had received funding from from open society and their intention was to kick out the conservatives and fment leftism.
>> Well, isn't that the real conspiracy at the end of the day, Tim, because like there's cultural war issues that we will never agree on that we all should be split on. But I would agree that I would argue, excuse me, that most of us are in the middle somewhere and that they don't want us to come together. They want us fighting each other over George Floyd or Hendricks because >> this is why when I show this video I asked no one say anything. I wanted Jason who's never seen this stuff just to see this video and then when we said the Biden administration the executive branch deployed that forklift to raise it up. He said I don't believe you. And that's exactly what I was hoping the reaction to be so that I could then show that this literally was the Biden administration being authorized under the Supreme Court to tear down our barriers and allow people to illegally enter the country. When I go and talk to regular people about this stuff, they say the same thing Jason does. That's you're lying. That that can't be possible. There's no way law enforcement would do it. Yeah. They lie about everything.
>> Elizabeth Warren but but again when people say things about me to you, they are lying. And this is why >> if you go to if if the American people knew that Joe Biden did this and mass if a broadcast went out to 100% of Americans that showed this video and said this is what they were doing you'd have a Republican revolution overnight.
Americans would be like this is insane.
How some what if these people >> the one part where nobody wants to even if it's true if you're on that side not everybody but a huge part is they're just going to go with it to win their argument you know if it's one one side or the other this video that comes out tomorrow and goes this is what they're doing right now the side that's on his side is like I said I find that very difficult to believe maybe somebody told you that but I find that video whatever they told you about that video is incorrect information because why would a president >> let all the illegal people in? What was the point in the event in the first place?
>> Let me ask you a question. Do you if I told you that Joe Biden was trafficking uh children on planes in the middle of the night, would you believe me?
>> Not at all.
>> All right, let's pull it up.
>> Well, that's a >> Okay, cuz here's a thing where this is going to this is a big one because this is a my best friend in skateboarding.
The last time I spoke to him and this was over 5 years ago, we have not spoken. We had a conversation and he is NBC trustworthy.
>> He said that and I started laughing at him. And he said, I could send you proof. And I said, I bet you could, but it doesn't make it real. And he was like, I don't have time for you anymore, dude. And I was like, okay, bye. And we've never spoken. I remember thinking >> he really lost it on the whole news thing. You know what I mean? Like why would a president approve of and you're about to show me something?
>> Read it.
>> What do you read? Read it.
>> You're describing ignorance. The definition of >> is NBC News NBC New York. Is a good is a good enough source.
>> This was on the news.
>> Yes, sir. Here's uh more than 2,000 migrant children have been flown to New York since June, landing at Westchester County airport and white planes. As many in the area say the Biden administration has failed to answer questions regarding what is going to happen to them next.
Two senior US officials confirmed the flights to the New York area have increased as the number of migrants, minors in many cases, coming to the country's southern border. I'll pull more for you. I'll pull more for you.
>> It's so crazy that they >> Marshall Blackburn was furious to the country.
>> The How do you know they were the ICE agents and >> there's there are leaked videos, but this is all >> leaked videos of what?
>> Of the airplanes landing and kids being shuffled off and people >> shuffled off where >> off of the airplanes >> to where documentary about being if you don't know where >> unaccompanied minors being in Westchester, New York. You're saying for sex?
>> Well, trafficking doesn't mean sex.
>> But human trafficking means labor of ch of children.
>> Trafficking means labor, >> right? But the why why kids? What do they what work?
>> It's a good question. I don't know.
>> They can't speak about it. They >> When when the problem is when we point this out, it's on NBC and demand investigations. The left comes out and says, "You're white supremacists. You're lying." And blocks the investigations.
>> Is this the same to have these children smuggled in? Is this for the same plan of having them move somewhere where they get that vote thing >> for the for the minors? This is likely related to padding the padding the labor numbers for social security. We don't have enough kids. Our our replace our uh uh birth rate is like 1.3 or 1.4.
>> So, uh Gen Alpha is about 42 million people. Gen Z and millennials are about 70 to 80 million. This means the coming workforce is half the size of what it needs to be. Marshia Blackburn published this on her on her.gov website.
>> Blackburn, Hagerty, Fleshman speak out against Biden administer trafficking migrant children to Tennessee. This was a major scandal where in the middle of the night the Biden administration was trafficking kids illegally. Like this is sedicious. This is a it's it's horrifying. It's terrifying what they were doing. You can't do anything about it because just for >> liberals will lie and then no one believes you. Just for context, like senators there because there's only a hundred of them and they consider themselves the upper house of our Congress. There's the Senate and the the House of Representatives. The senators are very slow to act. They have a longer term, six years. They're kind of hoidy toy, smelling their own farts. They think they're they think they're above things. So, they don't get involved in stuff that's going to sully them or make them look bad. So, the fact that a senator or that multiple senators have spoken out about this, that means that there's that means it's there's a lot of substance to the accusations. People in the House, because there's only two they only have two the House of Representatives, there's 435 of them.
They only have two-year terms. So, that's where you kind of get the most clowns in our in our uh our government.
The senators are generally not unserious, clowny people. So when the senators actually say, "Hey, this actually matters," people tend to pay more attention.
>> Dude, it was it was it's it's it's horrifying what was going on. I mean, and this is just one example. It got to the point, and I'll tell you this, people uh you know, I debate these progressives and they'll be like, I bring up civil war, the potential for civil war. During this period, Texas deployed its armed state guard with rifles against the federal government because of what they were doing. And we were sitting here be like, "Holy." And then Texas even I think it was Texas deployed uh state guard to to various states. We started seeing actual state organized arament against federal government with something like this. The the terrifying thing about it is if the Texas state guard decided we are not going to allow the Biden administration regardless of the Supreme Court to tear down our border barriers. And you you you get dangerously close to armed state. These are military guys >> walking up to a DHS guy putting their hands up and saying back off and get away from the border. The DHS guy saying we have we have authority on our side.
They draw their guns. You back off.
>> That's how dangerously close to a shootout between the federal government and the states. We were in 2021.
>> Yeah. Cooler heads prevailed obviously.
But the point is these these these policies that the federal government when it was the Joe Biden administration about immigration, they were having an oversized impact on states like Texas, Arizona, the ones that are on the border.
>> And so when Texas is like, "Don't do this. We have to we're going to stop this because it's having an outside effect on us." And the federal government says, "You're not allowed."
The the border is our jurisdiction according to the Constitution. in Texas is like, "Well, then actually do your job."
>> In Arizona, they created a double barrier of shipping containers to secure the border because of the mass illegal immigration, millions of people. The United States government under Biden filed a lawsuit against Arizona arguing immigration is the purview of the executive branch and the states have no authority to enforce it. And the courts agreed under the premise that the federal government would protect our borders. Arizona was not allowed to put up border barriers and had to remove them. And then what did the executive government do? Let millions of people come in anyway.
>> Okay. So, what you're telling me, because this is the first time I've ever paid attention, is that America is a Republican country and the libtards are using illegals to come in here to get a vote to make it because it's pretty close. It's like 50/50. But what re what is really happening in this country is the real Americans want Republicans to stay in office. That's the end. Libards would never win again if it wasn't for illegal immigrants.
>> This is on one level.
>> How is it partially true? Is it 40? It's not absolute >> underneath the bankers 40 though.
>> Yeah. Because there are some national they they would win at localities. They would have minority representation but they would never control the seats of government.
>> Let me ask you this. Are you happy with what's going on?
>> But let me let me let me clarify one point. The real thing that would happen is that the Democratic party would moderate to meet the Americans where they are and we would have two political parties, >> right? But do you think that uh the Republican party right now have done stuff that is not obviously not the same because it doesn't work to have illegal immigrants for them because but is there things that they do that we don't know about that if we knew we would?
>> Yeah, of course. Well, Trump's actually deported less people than Barack Obama did.
>> OB Obama had more turnarounds.
>> I think these flock cameras are pretty insane.
>> Okay, we're not changing the subject, bro.
>> Well, he's asking about what Republic what's happening.
>> Republicans are not doing that. It's a totally different subject.
>> Where's the president getting rid of?
>> What are there things you've seen the Republicans do that you want to bring up? Like >> what's that?
>> Are there things the Republican Republicans have done that you think are bad as well?
>> Um, well, did you look at you know, yes.
Okay. data center because I'm in Utah.
So, I see all these people that really don't want that and and I know that we have a water shortage. I've only been living there for six months, but everybody says that. I've seen the lakes go down and all that kind of stuff. So, it doesn't seem like we would really want that. It seems like Utah doesn't want that, but you're making it happen.
It's going to happen.
>> I don't I don't think I don't So, Trump put a bunch of money through Quantum Leap, but this is a this is a corporate capitalist thing. The Democrats aren't stopping it either.
>> And the argument is that if we don't build the data centers, China will have all of them. But I still don't I moved here. He was saying like if you I don't I didn't move here to start a mini Australia, >> you know, where I just had only Australians and we ate Vegemite all day and you weren't allowed in.
>> That'd be kind of fun.
>> That was not my plan. You would actually like it, but you wouldn't like Veimite.
But I don't I don't uh I moved here. I'm American. You know, like some Australian people might not like me saying that, but I I have two children here. I love this country. this country gave me a a fantasy life, you know, like in a in Australia, could you be a professional skateboarder in and be 50? No, you could not. And and I got into fighting, so now I'm a pro fighter and I train with Dan Henderson who was like, you know, a champion, world champion. Is he in Australia? No, he's not. All the things I like are here. And if this is what you guys are doing, then that's what I'm doing. And if it's not something I want to do, I'll go back where I came from.
>> Just like all the people that say that when it sounds the wrong, it sounds like you're being racist. But if I don't like it, >> we we we've got a double-edged sword with the Democratic party encourages abortion.
>> Yeah.
>> And then we get a population shortage, so they open the borders to millions of non-Americans.
>> Encourages abortion.
>> Yes.
>> Mhm.
>> That's what I was telling you.
>> All right, let's roll, baby. because I feel like um I'm this going to make every I could tell this table. Uh I think if a vagina then it's your call.
>> What if the baby has a vagina?
>> It's your It's the >> Listen Listen, brother.
>> This is what people need to understand is that >> I am I am not a conservative. I am just telling you what is.
>> Yeah.
>> But liberals live in a fantasy reality where >> both sides do.
>> That's not not correct.
>> Republicans have said stuff to me where I'm like, dude, certain Certainly >> like you're making me want to be a libtart by how dumb >> I'm talking about what is not what should be. So when I say Michelle Wolf on Netflix said get an abortion and they encourage women to do it.
>> She's joking.
>> No she's not.
>> You mean she's a comedian.
>> This was the joke is that Republicans want to ban it.
>> She comes out and listen when they're saying you get an abortion and you get an abortion.
>> If I told you Michelle Wolf >> she's joking. Yeah, but but called the Mark Twain award they gave to the best political and although it's great, it could be catastrophic for >> Well, they show anyway >> because it's almost certain that a long time ago.
>> Oh, okay.
>> Look, I I've seen her. She's um >> Jason, >> she's a political >> in Colorado. In Colorado, it is legal to >> get an abortion >> as the baby is being born. Shut up, dude.
>> Nine months.
>> You can marry a 15y old in some states, too, but you're not a Nobody's killing a You saying and then >> No one's ever done that. What do you mean >> that happened? That has happened. Yes, it has. It's a reality, dude. And Planned Parenthood's been caught with baby uh body parts because they can sell them. Actually, as a matter of fact, >> that sounds they they literally >> baby leg like sell it.
>> Yeah. For what? are research. Are you kidding? Stem cells from a baby are very valuable.
>> Is from the umbilical cord, dude.
>> I'm saying you don't think that baby parts No, I'm talking. I know that.
That's why I'm the one that BROUGHT UP SIM CELLS BECAUSE they can use baby parts and study leg to make.
>> How are you going to study a baby without it being dead? I'm saying >> a baby.
>> Yes. Have you never heard of science?
Yeah, they use they do science on babies. They use dead babies to do science on. Believe it or not, Jason, >> what's up with that?
>> Well, it's dead because it was >> dead because they want to USE IT FOR SCIENCE, DUDE. WHAT ARE YOU DUDE? BECAUSE IT WASN'T aborted to so that you could do research on it.
>> There are babies that have been aborted the vagina didn't want to have a baby.
>> That has happened, Jason. Just because you want to be ignorant to it. That has happened. Planned. You're being ignorant to it. Planned Parenthood. I don't care.
PLANNED PARENTHOOD HAS BEEN CAUGHT WITH BABY BODY PARTS.
>> WELL, YOU'RE TRYING TO ACT LIKE, "OH, that doesn't happen. Nobody would ever abort a baby. Somebody had a baby and when it came out, they killed the baby."
>> No, no. So, what they do is >> That's the thing that happens. The woman goes into labor. Let me explain why. The woman goes into labor >> and as the baby crowns, they take a tool that cuts the spinal column, killing it, and then vacuum out the remaining parts.
>> Who does that?
>> The abortion doctor. Yes.
>> Why wouldn't Wait, somebody Wait, somebody wanted a abortion as they were having the baby, they kept it for 9 months.
>> So if a woman >> right when it was going to come out, they were like, "Actually, I've changed my mind."
>> Yes.
>> I don't believe you.
>> This is This is This is why we have the I don't believe you.
>> I'll pull it for you. mother in for 9 months. Probably bought for us.
>> Yeah. So she No. Well, so she never she never thought of herself as a mother, which is why >> why would you carry it?
>> I can't answer that question for you, but it doesn't change.
>> Okay, I'm going to pull the Nancy trans.
>> We need to see a video of somebody.
>> We can't show that video on on In fact, it's hard to it's hard to find.
>> This is like pe kids dressed as cats in kitty litter.
>> Jason, it's hard to find. That's >> they don't do. But no kid dresses in New York at school. What do >> you mean? You don't know.
>> They're talking.
>> You ready?
>> Fries.
>> How late in the third trimester could a >> this website?
>> Yes, I've seen this.
>> You've seen this?
>> They'll say that that is the law.
>> How late How late in the third trimester could a physician perform an abortion if he indicated it would impair the mental health of the of the woman? So I mean through the third trimester goes all the way up to >> that's but that's not that's a law that is agreed that needs to be adjust adjusted.
>> They lost.
>> Yeah. But but I'm saying did anyone do that?
>> Yes. They do it all the time.
>> No they don't.
>> Do you know why? Hold on. Let me ask you this side. You know >> do you think that woman >> you're going to get an abortion? Get an abortion. Why would you wait until it's about to come out?
>> Why make it legal?
>> Wait what? I I agree. But you're doing this. I agree. I think it's a preposterous thing to make.
>> My question following that is my question is no one would no woman would ever do that. It's just like a dumb print that they need. The fact that the argument stays is insane. They could have gone, "Oh, oh, it says that. Oh, we got to change that." Because obviously you wouldn't.
>> It's like when they're when you find out.
>> What about a woman? What about a woman that carries her baby for nine months and sells it to two gay guys? Could you >> What's wrong with that?
>> Okay, come on. that I'm saying. I mean, that's I'm saying, okay, can we talk a woman another woman killing a kid sell it to two gay guys? Come on.
>> What's wrong with giving it to two gay guys?
>> Well, I'm just saying. You think that it's impossible that a woman would want to have an abortion, a late term abortion, but you don't you don't think it's crazy that a woman would have a baby, carry it for 9 months, even maybe buy itself, and then sell it to two gay people. You're argu You're arguing that >> I don't think the same to give your baby to two gay people as to murder it as it's coming out of your vagina.
>> They're very similar. Yeah, >> Jason.
>> Jason, there was a there was a Jason.
>> They're good. That's good.
>> Okay, you can laugh, but they're similar. You don't either way you're never approve of gay people either way with children.
>> I don't think people should be able to buy babies like their donuts at the bakery. No, you should be able to adopt.
I'm saying if their surrogacy is is No.
>> Why did the gay become up?
>> Listen, Jason, because I know that you're gay, so you're going to like get all butter, but you're bisexual or whatever. But I'm saying make you gay right now.
>> No, you would not make me gay. What I'm saying is this is this is You think it's so crazy and so shocking that a woman would have a late term abortion. I'm saying there's even just as much shocking things happening where women will carry the baby and have it and just give it to two people, never see the baby again. So, I don't know what the difference between killing the baby and giving your baby and murdering it as it's coming out of selling the baby.
>> I want an example. Give me one example.
Give me one example. I I Can we Can we pause them? They get paid to be >> Alex. Can we pause real quick? I have a question.
>> Should it be illegal across the board for late term abortion?
>> I I I >> I don't the border to get an abortion?
>> No. No. Should it be illegal across the board? Just in the United States, in every state, >> late term abortions should be illegal.
Do you agree?
>> What does late term mean? like the B 6 months and beyond.
yeah.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah.
>> All it doesn't matter if you believe us that it's happening. Just matters that when you go to vote, you say, "I don't think it's happening, but we shouldn't let it happen anyway."
>> Well, this here says a woman's 36 weeks pregnant develops pregnancy complications. And in those situations, >> well, that's different. That's okay.
That didn't Okay. If you have a healthy baby, but if you have a baby that it's going to might kill you, then >> that's what a lot of these arguments are for. And that's then what the are we arguing about? It's going to kill the lady. So she has to get a late term abortion to stay alive.
>> You There's not even It's her life, >> Jason.
>> And that's her baby, >> Jason. So I this this may sound a little bit like a right term, but >> you keep making it out like these women are getting off on it.
>> No, but this is the worst.
>> Literally Tik Tok videos, Jason, of women celebrating their abortions. So go on Tik Tok. Listen, I have I have listen I have I have I have a there's a thought experiment that I want to do here just for one second, right? And just to just stay with me because it it sound it'll sound a little bit like a right term, but it's not.
>> There was a time where pe the idea of of thousands of people being killed by their doctor intentionally with their own with that individual's approval seemed ridiculous. But the third leading cause of death in Canada is their medical assistance and dying program.
They kill people for for mental illness, for depression, and etc. And the point that I'm making, right, is it sounds it sounds fantastical. It sounds like it's unreal to say that the third leading cause of death in Canada is death by the doctor because the doctor says, "Well, I'm going to prescribe you death essentially, but the patient doesn't want it."
>> No, the the patient the patient is ostensively for argument sake, we'll say the patient does want it. Okay. But the the reason is you have depression issues. So basically, you know, you have depression issues then and we don't think we can we can fix you or you have chronic pain or what have you. But but there was a time >> and the point that I'm making is there was a time where that seemed ridiculous and people would react and say there's no way. The hypocratic oath promise to do no harm that would never happen. And particularly when the argument for medical assistance and dying was being made, the argument they would say, "Well, you're going to get doctors killing people for silly reasons and and frivolous reasons." And they were like, people were saying, "No, that never happens." Never happens. But now in Canada, the third leading cause of death is medical assistance.
>> This is the CDC.
It says fewer abortions were performed at 14 to 20 weeks, gestation, 6.1, or at greater than 21 weeks at 1.1%. that is of tracked abortions at I believe the number is 613,383 1.1% were later than 5 months 6,000 babies were aborted after 5 months >> is and that's probably because they were it was jeopardizing the mother right >> well they don't we don't know why because there's no restrictions it's it's electric >> so you I don't know and you don't know and you're leading towards they want to kill the baby or he is >> okay so we got to pause my argument is a a woman that's doing that I I believe that she's got her reasons and they're not I don't see her as a cold blooded get a boner on killing >> and I've made none of those arguments. I simply said they have legal Can we please >> Mhm.
>> I simply said they legalized abortion to the point of birth >> in Colorado. And I asked you this because I knew you would not believe that they did.
>> It is legal for elective purposes, meaning a woman. So anecdotally, there's a bunch of arguments that possibly in the dozens this has happened. We don't know for sure. What we do know is we have about 6,000 post fivemonth abortions. And that's just the CDC track. They haven't even gone to various estimates would put it around 400 per year >> are are eight or ninemonth abortions.
>> It's really sad, you know, because in my mind, every one of those is the mother has to make a choice.
>> Do you know what the cited >> that is not they're not celebrating it?
Do you know what the cited reason for 92% of abortions is?
>> What?
>> None.
>> What do you mean no reason? Wait, cuz they didn't tell you. It doesn't mean they didn't.
>> No, they they've asserted no reason for the abortion.
>> I am not saying there's anything more.
>> They don't want they don't want to be an adult.
>> The the women perhaps, I don't know, but the cited re I believe 92% is no reason given.
>> The boyfriend is a is not the one.
>> Maybe that we call that abortion as contraception.
>> Yeah. Look, I don't I don't like Is the pill abortion if you're on the pill?
>> The birth control pill? No.
>> Yeah.
>> Well, some people think it is cuz it it fertilized egg will will come out of the body. So, it's a baby being flushed down the toilet.
>> Look, I've been I've been there for an abortion.
Wasn't good, dude. You know, when I was really young, me and my girlfriend went through it and it wasn't she didn't celebrate it. It was more like we were young and everyone was like you you if you have that baby your life will be ruined like you're you're a child and I was like yeah you're probably right but that's her decision and she made the decision you know that's >> my question is just why are they legalizing it?
>> What do you mean legalizing it? So it was for the longest time it was illegal after like 16 weeks to get an abortion.
And >> I mean dude, the only argument and this is I stand by this. If you are going to die or almost die from your pregnancy and the doctors have the they have tech they have stuff now where they can tell you that. But that's not what we're talking about.
>> It used to be you could die. You didn't know until it came out. They're like, "Hey, this baby is you might make it. You might not.
>> That's not what we're talking about."
Well, then >> I'm talking about elective abortion.
>> What do you you got accidentally pregnant? You want to get an abortion?
>> I'm not I don't know. Elective means you don't have a underlying medical cause.
You just want the baby terminated. The question is why are they legalizing that into seven 8 n months >> for that? My argument.
>> No, no, no, no, no. Elective means without a medical reason.
>> But they have to say that >> with a No, no, no, no, no. If a woman has a medical reason, >> yeah, >> the law does not apply on abortion.
Doctor doctors can apply medical treatment to save the life of the woman or the child and if if the life ends, right? That's that's different from abortion. The point I'm bringing up is why are they legalizing the right of a woman to say, "I plum just don't want the baby, so please terminate it."
That's different from, "Oh my god, I could die. Please save my life."
>> Right? But I I'm I think we're arguing about the time thing cuz I'm like >> it is a time.
>> If the baby can survive outside the womb, don't kill it.
>> You should get if you want to get an abortion, great.
>> If but if you find out you're pregnant and you don't want to have a baby and you keep it for six more months, that's your that's on you and now you're having >> I agree. Yeah, I agree. Especially because at 6 months the baby can survive outside of the womb.
>> Yeah. It's a human.
>> Yeah. You don't need to kill it.
>> Yeah.
>> So kicking. So, the issue that I have, I'm I'm I'm I would describe myself as traditional Democrat pro-choice, >> meaning we probably agree on a lot of these things.
>> The issue is I sat down with a friend of mine who's a famous comedian in New York, millions of followers. This was like in 2019, and he was saying like, "Oh, you've become right-wing, blah, blah, blah." And I'm like, "No, I'm still pro-choice. I think like for a lot of these issues, it's difficult. The woman's going to make a decision with her doctor, and it's nothing to do with me." And then he said, 'Well, then what are you talking about with like these, why are you opposed to the abortion law they're trying to pass? And I pulled up the abortion law, which explicitly stated that they could have abortions late term for any reason. And he goes, I don't believe that. And I'm like, brother, this is senate.gov.
This is from a Democrat where they said they should have it should be legal that at 9 months you get an abortion. He goes, that's fake. And I'm like, bro, we agree, right? That's all that matters.
You tell me right now you think that shouldn't be allowed. And he goes, of course it shouldn't be allowed. And I said, "Okay, well, I read senate.gov on my show and said this shouldn't be legal and someone lied to you and said Tim P is pro-life."
>> I know. Is it possible for that law to be voted upon by women and women only?
>> I I think that'd be wrong.
>> Oh, yeah. You want to be in char in charge of the puss?
>> No one ever said in charge.
>> You're calling the shots on her.
>> Your body, my choice, dude. I think uh we can't draw distinction between termination of life based on gender. So I'm pro-choice. I think that when it comes to uh like issues of abortion to a certain point, that's woman and a doctor. Has nothing to do with me.
>> And also, >> but I think if you're arguing that a viable human being that can survive at 9 months, I I have no say as a as a as an American citizen as to whether we determine a murder or not in that capacity. Well, that would be like saying why then can't women murder the child when it's when when it's born, right? It's it's she's giving birth. She doesn't want to. No, I think at a certain point if a human being is a viable life form and and I'll let pause real quick. This is actually the principal argument in Ro v.
>> Wade, >> the Supreme Court was trying to determine when the baby became its own legal entity for for protections.
>> So, if the baby can't survive on its own, you've got an interesting conundrum as to who is in full control. I mean, if if if the woman says she doesn't want to be pregnant and the baby is removed, the baby dies. But if the baby can be removed safely and survive, why would the woman have the right to kill it?
Because the argument, it gets really complicated. Let's say this.
>> That's all it is. It gets really complicated because it's it's I agree that if you have a baby in your womb for six months and it's healthy and you're like, I don't want it anymore and I don't need to tell anybody why, just kill it.
I'm not for that. That's weird.
>> But you want to control the puss.
>> What?
>> You want to control the puss?
>> I'm not. But I'm saying in my opinion, it's weird. I'm not telling her she can't do it.
>> So, let me ask you a question.
>> It's not my puss. Two women, identical twins, >> marry identical twin brothers, >> consummate the exact same night, >> get pregnant the exact same time.
>> Eight and a half months later, they are both in the hospital.
>> The woman at a woman A and woman B, let's call it Jane and Joan. Jane starts going getting contractions before her twin sister >> and the baby is born.
>> So Jane gives birth.
>> Joan then says, "I would like to terminate this baby before it's born. Do you think Do you think the man should be able to say no?
>> It's such a scenario.
>> It's not.
>> Why not? Why?
>> Cuz it'll never happen.
>> But the It's not a It's It's called a thought experiment.
>> Okay. If it if it was really a thing that was happening, I would be like, "Right now, clearly my wife has lost her mind." Because apparently up until right now, we were like, "We got a name. We got a crib. It's got a room." And now right as it's about to come out next to your twin sister, you're like, "No, I want to kill it." I'd be like, "This is insane. I'm not going to >> It's called the thought experiment, right? It means we don't actually expect the scen. The purpose of the experiment is to say two identical circumstances where the baby is born and not born, but the babies are identical for all intents and purposes.
>> Why would someone have the legal right to kill one baby and not the other?
>> So let's let's for your for your for your for your thought experiment.
>> They both had the same they both had >> the woman separated from her husband.
>> Yeah.
>> And so Jane is with her husband, but Joan's husband left her. They're both in the hospital and she says, "I won't have a baby without a husband, so kill it. Um >> the husband then calls the doctor and says, "Absolutely not. My wife's a nut job. You will not kill my baby."
>> Yeah. I'm uh adopt.
That's the all your scenarios. Adopt.
>> So this is this is the question.
>> Yes.
>> The liberal >> stop her legally.
>> So the So the >> there you go.
>> So that's the conservative >> again.
>> You're a conservative, dude.
>> I'm finally like, do I get anything for this?
>> You get to choke slam Alex after the show. Really? Hell yeah, man.
>> I'm going to film it.
>> If any woman touches a baby, I'll kill her myself.
>> But here's the point, Jason.
>> You know what I'm saying, brother?
>> Here's the point.
>> I'm I'm a traditional liberal.
>> Yeah.
>> And you and I probably agree on most of these moral issues.
>> Yeah. Why do you think I hang out? Like, >> but I don't get like like you're this evil guy. If you're that evil guy, why am I here?
>> But it's because now here's the question. Why do they lie to you?
because the media tells them that you're evil.
>> But the question is like, is it because they're just evil? I guess >> uh well, you talk about stuff that is triggering for both sides and you do have uh I mean, as demonstrated several times today, some hostility.
>> So, I would I would >> you debate really well.
>> Wait, you're the one that's threatening, Alex. So, let me the world.
>> Let me tell you a story. It's going to blow your mind.
>> In 2020, Donald Trump lost the election to Joe Biden.
in >> Yes. Okay. In November when he lost, I made a video saying Donald Trump loses.
>> Republicans then be began to claim that Democrats cheated, voting machine flipped.
>> And I debunked all of that. And I said, I think it's around January, Democrats were able to win through ballot harvesting, a legal practice by which activists go doortodoor, collect ballots on behalf of people, and then submit them, allowing Joe Biden to get 81 million votes.
Several political organizations tied to the Biden administration internally discussed that I was correct and that conservatives had not noticed what I was discussing and that my sharing this information was going to cause them problems in upcoming elections. It benefited the Democrats that Republicans believed they were flipping voting machines >> cuz Republicans were off in La La Land.
Mhm.
>> So what they did was they put out several smear pieces against me claiming that I was a principal uh uh progenitor of election conspiracies. They did so so that people would stop listening to my show.
This is a proven fact. And the documents have been declassified. They've been released. We've seen them. Talk to Mike Benz. He went over all the list of names and they were like, "It was you."
Because the conservatives were screaming servers in Germany and Venezuela are stealing the election and Trump's claiming illegal immigrants. So the reason they come after me is because I stop people like Alex when he when I explain how they use the census to create extra Democrat votes. They go, "Oh Tim P is exposing what we're actually doing." So I'm not a conservative.
>> When I point out that 6,000 abortions per year are late term, they say, "Shit, if the American people find out there are 6,000 of these things, they're going to vote against us. So they have to silence people like me." This culminates in the attorney general of the United States fabricating a claim that I was paid by Russians.
>> That's what people tell me. I'm paid by Russians.
>> The government of the United States under Joe Biden to go after me for telling the truth fabricated a story about Russia paying paying me. That's how insane the things we are dealing with really are >> because the truth is just one last point.
>> Our politics are probably very very similar.
There are many people like you who completely like we we agree on most things, but who believe because they've been manipulated by the government and by the left that I believe different things.
>> Yeah.
>> Cuz they don't want you to watch my show where I explain to people who don't know something like Joe Biden opening the border and letting people in. And liberals who would agree with me on policy say Tim Pool's lying. There's no way that's true.
>> I think I'm the only person at the table that's actually been paid by Russia.
Have you been paid by Russia?
>> All that remains has gone to Russia twice. Went to Moscow and St. Peterberg in Moscow.
>> If it was the other way around and you said Trump opened the border, I would still say same thing.
>> I probably Yeah.
>> It's not It's not because it's Joe Biden or it's Donald Trump. It's because you're telling me that the commanderin-chief is doing something that hurts us.
>> Yeah.
>> Well, they think it helps us. I know, but it's just it's it's it's a way to do it where the people are getting the shaft again.
>> 30% increase in in home costs, 20% increase in rental.
>> Here's how the media works.
>> Insane.
>> You see this headline from syracuse.com?
MAGA influencer accuses Trump of deceiving supporters on major issue. He is doing nothing. You want to take a guess who that MAGA influencer is?
>> Is it?
>> It's me. Yeah.
>> Now, why are they calling me a MAGA influencer when I'm criticizing Donald Trump?
>> Why?
>> Because they need to make sure moderate liberals don't hear me call out the president.
>> This the narrative they want to create is that Tim P is a conservative right-wing Trump supporter. So, it's a problem when I criticize Trump, and I do all the time. In fact, the administration's very mad at me about this. So, what what they do, the headline is going to say I'm a Trump supporter even when I'm not supporting Trump.
>> Yeah.
>> It's fake.
>> Yeah. I criticize Trump because the SAVE act which would require voter ID, Trump is just talking about Thomas Massie comes out against the Israel technology, you know, uh um integration with the military. He comes out against the Epstein stuff. So what did Trump do?
Trump got him removed from office effectively. He ran a massive primary campaign against Massie. Massie is no longer going to be in Congress as of January 3rd. John Thun, who's running the Senate, is blocking the Save Act.
What is Trump doing? nothing. So I said Trump is pretending like he wants the Save Act passed but is taking no political action against those obstructing him. So what does the media say? MAGA influencer accuses Trump. Why don't they just put Tim Pool criticizes Trump? Because no matter what I do >> even if it's anti-Trump is still proTrump.
It's all fake.
>> But so what so are you mad at that?
>> I'm very mad at that. But it is what it is. What do I do but keep doing my job?
They want to make sure that if someone like you or a liberal sees the news story, they immediately think Tim is the other. I can't trust him.
>> Wait, am I a liberal?
>> So we we we describe you in the political sphere. Like if you go to DC, the think tanks would call you what's called the default liberal.
>> Wait, why?
>> Default liberal means someone who's politically uninitiated, they don't follow politics or really pay pay attention.
>> Because of that, you've learned a lot of things from the media that is liberal oriented and not probably not true. So you you will believe things that are liberal even though you're not political.
>> Yeah.
I mean I don't believe I mean I guess I see look I see both I see videos of both sides looking bad. So I get to see a broad uh array of of of accusations where I don't I take it with a grain of salt. I'm like I don't how do I know any of that's true? I wasn't there. Like I know famous people. I know famous people that have slept with other people that didn't sleep with any anybody because they were standing right next to me the whole time. But in the news it's like he slept with the Hooters waitress and I'm like unless I started being a waitress at Hooters that didn't happen.
>> Who was it who just said they framed Nixon on Joe Rogan's podcast?
>> I don't know.
>> It was this I can't remember who it was.
You want to Google it real quick?
>> There was some uh it's some like famous actor or director. He said >> Stone.
>> Yeah.
>> No. No.
>> You talked about it.
>> No.
>> You sure? The story is that a liberal read a book from Bernstein about his friend who's a celebrity, >> Bill Murray.
>> Bill Murray said this.
>> He said, "When I read that book about my friend, I went, my god, they framed Nixon." Because if they're going to lie about my friends this way, everything he said about Nixon must have been a lie, too.
>> That's that's what it is.
>> All right.
>> So, I would describe uh the reason why we describe the left as a cult is because uh they believe things that are not true because they were told to believe them. Well, the other side does that too.
>> Somewhat. Somewhat. Yes. Holy >> It's called G. It's called the left it's general and the right it's tendency.
>> Yeah. Come on, man. Like, oh, if Trump, that's different. I'm like, wait. So, like I've seen Joe Rogan do that.
>> Is Tucker Carlson a Trump supporter?
>> No.
>> Exactly. So, the right has Tucker >> Tucker Carlson with 10 million followers who gets 7 million views per episode, hating Trump.
>> Yeah.
>> His followers don't believe anything Trump says.
>> This is the thing that you all switched.
I noticed. What do you mean?
>> Everybody, all the most Republicans are like not happy with Trump.
>> That's not true.
>> That's people I meet.
>> Not he is.
>> I'm not too satisfied to be honest. You know, you're not the >> I I've I've always been sort of middle on the road on Trump.
>> My position on Trump hasn't changed at all.
>> You're a Republican, right?
>> Independent moderate.
>> More leaning towards that side.
>> So I Well, so so we got to clarify a few things.
>> Yeah.
>> Just because I voted for Republican doesn't change the fact that I'm an independent. Independents vote left and right.
>> If you vote Republican, doesn't that make you a Republican?
>> No, I'm unaffiliated, but I voted Republican in 24. I voted Democrat in ' 08.
>> I voted for Obama Bernie Sanders.
>> I don't know if this is personal or not, but in the next election, who would you vote for?
>> AOC.
>> I don't know.
>> The other side.
>> Well, >> big booty Latinos.
>> If the Democratic Party reformed, >> it's big enough.
>> If the Democratic Party reformed >> and they had a viable candidate, I'd vote I'd vote for a Democrat, libertarian, or otherwise.
>> Okay. So right now we don't know it's going to be JD Vance. The most viable candidates right now would be JD Vance and Marco Rubio. The Democrats actually don't have any real candidates right now.
>> That's what I was thinking. I was like, who is there even to vote for? You know, >> they have nobody. So I vote I supported in 2020. I supported I made maximum donations three or four times to the Democrats.
>> Yeah.
>> When they stole from they stole it from Bernie twice and installed Biden as the nominee through Siruta's means, I said I'm going to vote for Trump >> and they killed Seth Rich. Well, I don't know about all that.
>> Um, it's >> it's a whole other thing, Alex.
>> Yeah, I know. But >> you see, >> well, I listen, if this feels like a college class for Jason, you know what I mean? It really is.
>> No, but but this is not for Jason.
>> I'm like, what?
>> This is not for Jason. And I'm I'm going to tell you again. I apologize for getting frustrated earlier, but but it's not for Jason. It's for anybody who watch is watching this show and is thinking what Jason is thinking, hearing these things for the first time. Jason's like a lot of people like I thought I tell the the difference is is that I'm not triggered >> like to be I know people because that's the in my group this is a big thing that this is why I am able to be at this table because at one point I was in a community of people that were not doing well you know like a a lot of dark you know I come from a dark world where the people that I liked were in a criminal tattoo drug you mean I was in porn All my friends were had a bad life and are kind of like doing the best they can but very liberal, very angry. Uh, you know, you're gay, you're by, you're trans, they're trying TO MAKE ME NOT, YOU CAN'T, YOU KNOW, I mean, at one point I was getting crucified because I was like, how's he doing? IT'S NOT A HE, IT'S A AND I'M LIKE, I DUDE, I don't I'm doing the best I can. Like, I'm You got to see that I'm not doing it in a way that it's negative. But I definitely spent a long time >> only around those people. And then when I got sober and started to like uh I was like, "Oh, wow. Sleeping with everybody is not actually healthy. That's that's bad." And I didn't know. And then I, you know, I mean, we're talking two years where if I'm not hanging out with those people, I've pushed these other people away. So, I'm by myself. And it was and I'm getting sober. It was super scary.
At one point, I was like, >> even you, first time I came here, I was like, "What?" Somebody DM'd me and was like, "Don't go on that show." I didn't even know it was a show. I was like, "They want me to come. I like talking to people and you got to you got to listen.
Listen to what he said. He's a racist.
He's a homophobe." Like, really? Why would he have me on? That's a weird like he knows I'm not going to go, "Yeah, man. Don't say that. Like, I don't want to do that."
And I said, "You got any video?" He's like, "Yeah." And then he sent me two videos. And I went, >> "What were the videos?
>> Where's the bit?" He said something about um men not paying for dinner and something about how men are not men anymore about you know something about you you need to take care of your something about mas masculinity and I was like >> wait where's the racist bit in that >> or or or homophobic like is it homophobic it just seemed like he thinks we should pay for dinner like I I didn't really I'm not I'm not catching what you have stated and then but it was enough cuz I owe my fans.
>> You know, as soon as I walked in here, I was like, "Hey, man, can I just talk to you for a second?" Yeah.
>> Before we come up here because if if you're like, "Yeah, black people."
I'd be like, "Okay, well, I'm just going to leave." Yeah.
>> You know, cuz I don't want to be in that. And if you were like, "Yeah, gay people." I'd be like, "Okay." That's also that's the difference that my sobriety, my understanding, my constant apolog I've apologized to everybody I've ever known for being angry, quick, and bitter. And if you're not thinking what I'm thinking, then you. That's all I was about. So now I listen to people.
I'm friends with Jeff Dy. Do you know who that is?
>> He is not a liberal guy. and I was on his show and some of the things that he thought I don't agree with. But it's your opinion and you don't want anything bad to happen to me. You love your parents or you want to fall in love with the girl. If you have a kid, you're going to love the kid. Like, we're all the same. It's just this weird >> HOW DARE YOU THING WHERE I'M LIKE, I just don't care anymore. If you say something that's offensive, it's your life, dude. Like, I'm not going to jump down your throat.
>> Here's the at it.
>> Everybody lives. Everybody is on this beach surrounded by this wall of fire and you're being told by all these people around you, they're grabbing your arm saying, "Don't go near the fire. The fire is dangerous."
>> When you finally decide to jump over that wall, you find the whole world and everything was fine the whole time.
>> Yeah.
>> So, on this side, we've got members of our community who are transgender, gay.
One of our regulars who's a big a good friend of ours is is gay married. We have no issues with anybody. uh like it's it's very liberal in a sense. We have a lot of conservatives who are very far right, >> but it's liberal in the sense that we all hang out together. In fact, there's a guy that everybody on this everybody who watches the show absolutely hates.
You know who I'm talking about. Brian Shapiro.
>> Yeah. Yeah. But he's our friend.
>> He's he's a he's a raging liberal TV. He gets beat.
>> If you're a raging liberal in this room, I can see how that might trigger a few people.
>> No, but we laugh.
>> But he's a nice Phil. Phil, they do not get along. All that's the thing and people don't realize this. Comedy taught me this. Going on the road, you know, I have people on social media say this, say that. Everybody I meet at a meet and greet after a show.
Eric, awesome.
>> Yeah.
>> And you could be like, you know, this one thing I don't like or actually, you know what? Maybe gay isn't bad. And I'm like, okay. Like it's I also understand where you come your parents. I don't know where you were born. Maybe you were hung up with the people that were like, these guys are bad. Maybe one of them did something bad to you. Everyone has a reason. I just never take it. I was always ready, you know, like weird.
Let me let me let me give you I go >> cuz this are we getting jumped, you know, like you got to be ready. And >> I'm going to say one thing and then Alex, you can take you can you can wrap it up. We just uh we're we're friends with everybody >> from if like we have friends who are liberals and progressives.
>> I'm here, >> right? If you're if you're nice to us, we're nice to you.
>> As >> There you go.
>> But that's that's just >> if if you're nice to us, we're nice to you. That's all that matters.
>> Uh but take it away, Alex.
>> I just want to make this point. I think this would would describe Tib's politics, and correct me if I'm wrong, and I'm he will Yeah, I'm paraphrasing Maveli. is that most people are good, but most people in power are bad because you had to do something bad to get into power. And I think Tim is trying to fight against the power, the man, the people that are trying to hold us back.
And so, I think that's a better representation of Tim's, if it's a conservative guy that's doing bad. If it's a liberal guy that's doing bad, whatever, we're trying to fight against the people that are in power that are screwing us over.
>> I don't think most people are good. I think most people are selfish animals.
They're hellbent on survival.
>> I mean, that's that's a paraphrase of Mac.
>> Yeah. wholesome ending. And then Ian's like, "No, >> I thought we were in the clear, dude."
>> We got to get the squirrels. You know what I'm saying?
>> Spirit has like a good guiding godlike thing, but the animal body that we inhabit are just devious murderous.
>> It's like when he fingerboards, I'm like, I'm going to punch him in the mouth and then I'm like, I don't let him do his gay either.
>> Yeah. I don't think people are good at all.
>> We've got to get 80 90% destructive animals and we we kind of have a b a tiny bit of control over that.
>> We got wait. We got to get ready because we're about to get we're getting ready for the the live show. Cast brew coffee.
It's going to be fun. We'll carry on the conversation. Smash the like button.
Share the show. Follow me on X and Instagram at Timcast. Who wants to go first? Shout out to >> go first. It's prime time. Alex Stein.
Thank you guys for having me, Tim. It's always a pleasure. Jason, it was great to teach you a little bit about uh the immigration, abortion, yada yada yada, but it was always a pleasure. You made me laugh a lot. And I will say this, please follow me on x alex99. Love you guys. Peace.
Oh. Uh, the Jason als.com for tour dates. I'm a comedian. Sometimes I'm funny. Uh, uh, the Jason Al show.
Patreon.comalismade.
And then Horse Force live YouTube show.
I do uh every day. I never not do it.
Rob Dudick came to me in my dreams and told me that if I did it seven days a week, I would have enough money to buy a horse. And he was right. Rob do >> genius.
>> Rob Dunick.
>> Oh, I don't know Rob.
>> You don't know Rob.
biggest legend of all time.
>> Who is this guy?
>> Rob Derick did the longest running MTV show in history.
>> Who?
>> Robick.
>> Like 11,000 episodes.
>> Oh, actually shout out After Hours with Alex Stein and Real America's Voice.
>> Yeah, we did have cable growing up. Um, also didn't have air conditioning. My mother was a bit of a ludite and looked that way, didn't it?
>> Yeah, it was it was it was nice. We had a very stable, loving childhood. Uh, very lucky. So, follow me at Ian Crossland on the internet. See you later.
>> I am Phil that remains on Twix. You can follow me on Patreon as well. That's uh fill that remains. The band is all that remains. You can check out our music on Apple Music, Amazon Music, Pandora, YouTube, Spotify, and Dieser. Don't forget the left lane is for Crime Carter.
>> I'm Carter Banks. You can follow me at Carter Banks everywhere and Carter Banks official everywhere else. Uh Trash House Records on YouTube. I got to say this is one of my favorite shows that we've done so far because like it's just really funny and a great conversation.
>> Well, Jason, super funny. I'd be remiss if I didn't shout out the uh Kevin Sinfronta documentary cuz I feel like we could have put that out there at any time.
>> Let's make him watch it.
>> He should watch it on the plane.
>> We really should because so much stuff going through like the Darien Gap and all that stuff.
>> It was wild. But uh anyway, yeah, looking forward to everything. Let's go.
>> We'll see you guys tonight at the party.
Well, actually, you're there now, I think. Thanks for hanging out.
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