TRIFECTA DE CORRUPCIÓN: DELCY, JORGE GIMENEZ Y ZAPATERO

追加: 2026-05-23

[00:00:02]Hello everyone, how are you?

[00:00:05]Today is Thursday, May 21st, we have a lot to talk about, so I'm waiting for you to connect, please.

[00:00:14]And here we have people in the chat.

[00:00:17]Venezuela State 51, greetings to you.

[00:00:21]Giovanni to Lima, greetings to Peru and Alejandro, thank you for joining us. And of course Aunt Yasmine, who I see here, look, telling Alejandro that she left work to watch today's program in peace. He's already home. Thank goodness, Aunt Jasmine, because today we have a great program with a guest from the house. Welcome, Jovelito. How are you?

[00:00:48]Very good, very good, thank you. Delighted to be here. Last week I couldn't because of health difficulties, but I'm happy to talk. There's a lot to talk about.

[00:00:59]That's how it is. And I was lost last week too, and people were worried. I apologize, I apologize. But anyway, as I told you last time, being crazy isn't easy. So, when you're thinking so much and reading so much, you have to take time to rest.

[00:01:17]But I'm shocked because Jobel was telling her, and today we're going, what's today's schedule? We know things are happening, Joel. So, let's review some news and then I have a little scoop for you about, uh, the crony, the main front man of the Chavista regime, the one from the Vinotinto, Jorge Jiménez. But let's start with something I can't believe. I was telling Jové while reading these comments, because I'm at my mom's house in Miami, where there's a large bookstore or a large library, that's the right word. Library, library, library. And I started looking, I was searching for books to read and I came across this early edition of From the Noble Savage to the Good Revolutionary. And when I enter the chat, look what Alejandro says.

[00:02:16]Today marks 50 years since the publication of this book, this work of art, literature, and history by Carlos Rangel.

[00:02:24]And I didn't know this when I wanted to show this book to the reviewers in the year of publication. Perhaps it's an original edition.

[00:02:33]This must be, do you know that this book is no longer available on Amazon? How awful that it can't be found, because this is, look, for and by Sofia, Sofia Imber, I do n't know if you know.

[00:02:44]Sure, sure.

[00:02:45]They were a couple and did a show together, and he committed suicide in the bathroom of their house.

[00:02:54]Yes, Jobel, I was trying to find out which edition because this is a relic, as I said, it can't be found on the internet, but Jobel, you know that communists and socialists in the first world always love Open Veins of Latin America, the book? Yes, yes, yes. The open veins of Latin America. Yes. This is the counterargument to this: that Latinos are not just some kind of indigenous people who would be happy in the jungle if it weren't for the empire. We are people who think and who have a responsibility for what has happened to our region. So I was going to tell my community here, which is very cultured and intelligent, so probably everyone has read this book, but what a coincidence, Alejandro, that it's the anniversary and I wanted to show you this book and Jovelito, so he's also going to show you what he's reading.

[00:03:50]Look, I am actually reading this book, I haven't finished it yet, but I find it interesting. I know it's a sales phenomenon in Spain; as I saw yesterday, it sold 200,000 copies in two months. In other words, it's a bestseller and it's called The Prophet. This is a historical novel about the life of Jesus of Nazareth, told from the point of view of a Roman centurion. In other words, he is a centurion from that time who recounts how he began to hear about a certain Jesus of Nazareth.

[00:04:24]And then, well, it takes you through this story. I want to see where it goes, but I want to say that it has a very interesting writing style because the chapters are short, quite brief. You're reading, one chapter ends, you start another, it ends quickly. The chapters are very short, which makes you feel like you're progressing very quickly. Eh, it's a quick read. I want to see how far it goes so I can give a more informed critique, but the premise is good. So, this book by José María Zavala, the prophet, which is already a bestseller in Spain and Italy. And well, let's see where we get with it. Let's see what people are saying here.

[00:05:01]Today I'm delighted to have Jovelito here because, as I said, we're all together as a family, and we're going to talk to you. Um, look at this, I always ask how we got here.

[00:05:12]We were made to read "Open Veins of Latin America" at university, even though I studied at UCAD. That's how we got to where we are. Instead of reading this, which is from a Venezuelan, they were reading that propaganda. The favorite book, which is the book, I don't know if you remember, that Chávez gave to Obama.

[00:05:30]Clear.

[00:05:31]Okay, well, let's start Ovelitos, with the news because, well, things are happening. I wanted to tell you several things. So, what am I trying to say? They are having trouble getting investors because it is a socialist dictatorship with a terrorist state, and in the last week we realized how terrorist they are: they not only murder, but they also let prisoners die and make them disappear. They are also responsible for the deaths of their relatives. Jovel, they also imprison minors, children, because they are siblings of dissident military personnel. I just shared that there is still a 20-year-old girl in prison because her brother is a dissident military officer. So, under these conditions, they are having trouble getting investors. So, look at what Bloomberg is saying today. The head of the US energy company, CONOCO Philips, argues that the measures taken by the Delsy Rodríguez regime to attract investment and generate confidence fall short. We've been telling you this. Well, on the same day, look how interesting this is, the Secretary of State, Marco Rubio, announces that Delcy Rodríguez is going to India next week to ask for investments, to beg the international community to trust a socialist terrorist dictatorship. But now it's the State Department announcing Delsin's trips. What is this, Joel?

[00:07:11]Look, it's very difficult to understand. There is one more piece of information that I would add because I saw it this afternoon, and it is the information that María Elvira Salazar gave, she said that together with the State Department and Congress they are trying to set a date for the elections in Venezuela and that it would be next year, that is, this 2026 is going to pass us by with Delcy Rodríguez still there, according to what I can understand from this statement by María Elvira Salazar. So also, for example, in this video that we're going to talk about later, the one with Lester, he was talking about how this first year in which we've bet, or in this new moment in which we've bet on economic stabilization, we have n't bet, well, to economically stabilize Venezuela under the figure of the people who led it to the Bacle, it's not something that seems credible. We had already seen this in the first meeting that Trump had with the oil world. It had become more than clear that there was not enough confidence to invest in Venezuela under these circumstances. So it's not surprising at all that this is the decision.

[00:08:24]Now it's interesting because the oil world has certainly been in motion in recent months with what's happening now in Iran with the Strait of Hormus closed, with 20% of the oil industry that passes through that strait blocked.

[00:08:39]However, this can create despair, as people do not trust.

[00:08:44]So, even though we're in desperate times, investors aren't stupid and they say, "Under these circumstances, it's not possible. Even with the Strait closed, even though we 're buying oil from Russia, we can't invest in Venezuela under these circumstances yet."

[00:09:00]Who would have thought? Do you know how much analysts earn who tell people, like investors, whether something is worthwhile or not? Look, I'm not one of them, but I know the Venezuela case. I could have told you not to invest there yet, but well, we've already touched on the subject here. Look, they 're already talking about the next topic, because yes, part of the problem they're having, and why they can't find investors, is because Venezuelans aren't returning to Venezuela because we understand that the dictatorship is still there. That's why the dictatorship is pressuring us.

[00:09:38]Come back, get over it, return.

[00:09:41]Forgive us. Horrible.

[00:09:44]Uh, well, so I find what we 've seen today interesting. Reading Toledo and waking up with the A video of Léer Toledo saying he's traveling to Venezuela. I don't know if he came from Miami because we also have the news. Joel, no, he did n't come from Miami.

[00:10:03]No, I don't know, I don't know. I don't even know if he's in El Salvador. I have no idea because we only saw the airport, but no.

[00:10:08]Yes, yes, right? I don't even know if he was coming. I don't know where he came from. I do n't know either. I don't know either.

[00:10:13]Another piece of news we have is that now they're going to have a second daily flight from Miami to Caracas, on American Airlines.

[00:10:19]That's quite a development.

[00:10:21]Well, then Léer said, "I'm leaving after 10 years, I have an arrest warrant, I'm going to Caracas to see what happens." Well, then we were all waiting to see if they would let him arrive, and he did. Juan Pablo Guanipa received him, the unit received him.

[00:10:39]And I think it's very good, and obviously part of a transition would be the return of the exiles, but Joel, he has to be honest and transparent about how that happened. He spoke, that's already difficult for He. That's already difficult for him because I'd like to know, did you talk to someone who guaranteed you'd be okay? Because I come from a family with all sorts of murder charges, and so on, and I assure you, if my mother, Patricia Poleo, tried to do that, it wouldn't go the same way for her. So, I'm worried about sending this message because Venezuela still isn't okay, I still can't go back.

[00:11:19]What do you think? How do you see this return and what does it mean in the long run?

[00:11:26]Look, he's a figure who's already difficult to trust. I remember very well that at that rather particular moment when María Corina Machado received the Nobel Prize in Oslo, one of the many people I saw parading through that hotel looking for a photo with María Corina was Lester. And at that moment, look, I saw everyone that day, Leopoldo López, everyone, I don't even know what to tell you, the journalists.

[00:11:54]And we told him it was a sensational Saturday.

[00:11:56]Yes, yes, yes. Everyone was there. There, Lilian Tintori, Carla Angola. I saw everyone.

[00:12:04]Leonardo Padrón.

[00:12:06]Yes, yes. Uh, Maríaca, I mean, everyone. Look, people I've had disagreements with and people I did n't know, I saw everyone there.

[00:12:14]But the one who gave me the worst feeling of all was him. He's a person who really inspires a rather acute distrust in me that I don't know how to overcome.

[00:12:25]So, uh, I don't like the way he acts. It seems like he's lurking, stalking. But well, let's see what I think about his return. I don't know what he contributes, really. I don't know what he can contribute to building a transition in Venezuela. I don't know if he wants to reach an agreement because he says he's going to confront this judge, with all due respect. Yes, with all due respect, he's going to confront the judge. But you ca n't just enter a country like Venezuela like that and see what happens. I mean, because then, what does this mean? That If they put you in jail, we have to hold marches and you become a hero.

[00:13:07]This is no longer... this is no longer a detail because he gives the impression that's what it was, that he's traveling to see what's going on. But I wouldn't bet that it was like that without any kind of conversation.

[00:13:21]Probably not. Uh, but what role does he want to play now? He's going to start because you know he's an electoral advisor, so we'd have to... Well, but now they're talking about regional elections and that it would be Juan Pablo Guanipa and him fighting to be governor. But seriously, let's go back to this parallel world where Venezuela is a normal country when it isn't. Exactly. Besides, we still have the big problem that this applies to regional, national, intergalactic elections. There's no voter registry, there's no reliable electoral register in Venezuela.

[00:13:56]Who's going to vote? You know? So, uh, an electoral advisor who has made his career in El Salvador, it seems he's done very well because he managed to install his dictator there in El Salvador, but it's important to talk about it. And there must be people here who... He likes Bukele, but Bukele is an authoritarian figure, and Leer Toledo, who is supposed to be an activist for democracy, has been helping him build that authoritarian system.

[00:14:23]Exactly. So, what does he want to do now in Venezuela?

[00:14:28]Who is he going to support? Well, certainly, and you know, a few days ago I saw an article—I don't remember if it was in the media outlet—well, I don't want to get it wrong, but it mentioned that the circle María Corina Machado was surrounding herself with at this international stage hadn't pleased the Trump administration. We were already starting to deduce this, and we'd been saying it for months, but now it came out in the American press, and that would be one of the reasons why they've sidelined her. And there's really no way, not even if he gave her a medal, or whatever, there's no way María Corina is part of Trump's equation for Venezuela.

[00:15:07]So, there's a circle, and among them, Leopoldo was mentioned in this article.

[00:15:11]López.

[00:15:13]Well, there's a circle that Venezuelans also know very well, and Lester comes into that circle—excuse me, but I'm thinking of Léer Alemán, the one from Nicaragua, the young man who confronted Ortega.

[00:15:28]So, Toledo and Alemán are always going to get mixed up— excuse me, Léer Toledo.

[00:15:32]Then this figure enters the picture, who is completely... uh, gray.

[00:15:39]There's no reason to suggest that he's going to be productive in a situation like the current one. I don't believe that he's simply going to Venezuela to defend his innocence. I think he must have an electoral project in the works, because that's his specialty, and I want to understand if he's going to do it to start building stability for the Venezuelan opposition, this collaborationist opposition we 've known all our lives. Maybe he wants to start preparing the stage for that opposition or for the "scorpions," I do n't know.

[00:16:15]But it's all a big mystery.

[00:16:17]Well, and here we go. What message are they sending with this trip to Venezuela? This is my concern because I've come to you... Saying, we're already over 100 people here. Thank you, subscribe, like, share, etc. And remember to follow Jobel on his channel. I'll be posting the collaboration, so you don't miss our discussions. But to close this topic, what message is Léer sending? I've been telling you that we have few cards left to play. One of our cards is the return. Are we going to return or not? The message Léer Toledo is sending is one that suits the regime right now, which is a complete return. And I repeat, not all of us can return. There are two things we're missing. There are two things missing in this Venezuelan story, two or three, but one of them is the big celebration in the streets of Caracas that hasn't happened because it hasn't been possible because on January 3rd, no, on January 3rd people woke up more afraid than on the 2nd, because They knew and understood very well that as long as God grants it, as long as these figures of the regime are there, it hasn't fallen. It was celebrated in Chile, it was celebrated in Argentina, now we're going to celebrate in Panama, it's been celebrated in Madrid, but within Venezuela, what happened on January 3rd hasn't been celebrated. We still have that celebration pending. Number one. Number two, we still have the return of the exiles pending. And this isn't just the return of political exiles or prominent figures or your family—I say your family in particular because you are an important family—but the return of ordinary Venezuelans, that is, the Venezuelans who left working for PDVSA. The United States has told the dictatorship that they won't recover PDVSA if the Venezuelan experts at PDVSA don't return.

[00:18:15]Imagine, well, they haven't returned. And why haven't they returned? Because the first ones to understand that the country hasn't changed are the Venezuelans themselves. So it is very surprising that perhaps, let's see, it's true This happened in January, and now it's May. Maybe we'd like things to move faster, but this deadline that María Elvira Salazar gave, saying the elections would be next year, to be honest, seems credible to me.

[00:18:45]Besides, I think the work of cleaning up the electoral roll in Venezuela is so difficult that it's going to take time.

[00:18:53]So, promising elections in three months, for example, not under the most favorable circumstances, seems impossible to me. I do believe it will have to be next year. Whether María Corina will be able to return before then, I don't know, I don't understand.

[00:19:09]That's another issue. Well, she's supposed to be going to Panama. When is she going to Panama? She's going soon. She has a meeting with Venezuelans on Saturday.

[00:19:16]Look what Rafael is saying, and I was telling you, Jovel, he's spoiling us with image quality. I said the same thing. Now, when I go back to where I usually do the program, I'm going to look awful because this place has lights. Et cetera. But anyway, what do we do?

[00:19:31]Um, let's see what else they're saying around here. Thank you, Eveline, for supporting us. They love you here, Jovelito. Do you remember the days of FDP Noticias?

[00:19:42]News.

[00:19:44]Well, next news item, because it's true that months and months have passed, but you know, I feel like things are moving faster now, since what happened with Víctor Hugo Quero and Mrs. Carmen Teresa, that caused, well, I don't know if it was that or something else, the United States saying more, but things are moving faster. Look, yes, it seems like God is saying goodbye to " Con el Mazo Dando." He had already said things like, oh, 600 episodes is enough. Yesterday he literally played Héctor's song, the one we were playing when Maduro left. Um, that everything has to end.

[00:20:27]Everything has an end. Yes, everything has an end. Uh-huh. So, look, that's something, we don't know yet, but he really seems like he's saying goodbye.

[00:20:40]Yes, yes, it's true. I got that impression too. And also, you know, I 've said it many times about "El Mazo Dando," "El Mazo Dando," which is one of the most dishonest television and media products that Latin American television has ever seen. It was built on the theft of material from channels like "Factors of Power," from Daniel's own channels, even, well, when I was more active than any of us, they stole material from all of us, they used our images without permission, they manipulated us. I ca n't wait for us to file a class-action lawsuit. Can you imagine? But in that country, imagine, I always think that people, of course, people who come from normal countries and know that material can't be stolen, but in Venezuela the state channel started showing movies like Avatar.

[00:21:33]Right.

[00:21:34]Yes, yes. It's absurd. It's absurd.

[00:21:36]But the day there are laws, the day there are laws, well, they'll have to pay us all, even if it's just $100, because my God, what they stole! of our work.

[00:21:48]Here's the law, because I used to work in the media. If you use someone's images without permission and without paying them or anything, you automatically owe them $1,000 and they complain.

[00:22:00]Imagine, imagine what one does with $1,000, huh?

[00:22:05]Well, thanks Marleno, I mean, the likes, please, here one has to beg for likes, but come on, don't do that to me. Uh, well, the other thing that's happening now, Jorge Rodríguez said they were going to release 300 people, but fewer than 40 have been released. So, they had already said that months ago, 600.

[00:22:28]So, that worries me because the headlines are always in the international community, like a congressman, a member of a normal congress. That's why I tell Reuters, the congressman is Delsy's brother, a co-dictator, first of all.

[00:22:46]But they did release Jobel to the metropolitan police. Yes, this is a struggle I remember It's great that your mother tirelessly mentioned them every chance she got because nobody remembered them. And I remember this very vividly; she always talked about them.

[00:23:07]Twenty-three years. And this case is so important, which is why I always repeat, I blame Chávez for this.

[00:23:14]Well, we don't always talk about what led Chávez to power, but in the sense that there's no division between Maduro's supporters, Delcy Rodríguez's supporters, and Chavismo, this started with Chávez.

[00:23:24]And you know, I didn't remember the story of these police officers very well. How tragic, because they were literally humble police officers who, on April 11th, when Chávez sent his thugs out to kill Venezuelans for the first of many times, these police officers were trying to defend the people, and they were blamed, and there they are, 23 years later, without most of the world remembering them. Because remember, this was until 23 years ago when most of the world, well, I'm not going to say the Mostly because I don't know, but when many Venezuelans were still enjoying themselves and didn't believe in Venezuela, something was happening, and these three Venezuelans were already imprisoned, innocent as they were. And they are prisoners, as you said, very well, I remember you saying it very well, these were prisoners of Chávez, each of them has their own prisoners. I mean, we've seen that they've been releasing prisoners of this figure, prisoners of that other figure. These were three, these were three prisoners of Chávez.

[00:24:30]But, you know, I asked people, why were they so cruel to them?

[00:24:36]Why? And what they told me is because they have to maintain the narrative that on April 11th they didn't go out to kill, but rather it was these police officers.

[00:24:46]Absurd. Yes. And well, and Judge Funi still hasn't been given another one from Chávez.

[00:24:55]Yes, yes, yes, yes. And she would have a lot to say, you know? But they don't allow her to speak. I think She's still under house arrest. I don't think that's the regime she had. Yes. She's already served her sentence.

[00:25:11]Well, Lionel, yes. Then they say nothing has changed. No, we don't say that. Obviously, some things have changed.

[00:25:18]What we say is that we're not yet in a transition to democracy.

[00:25:22]Not yet, but of course, what has changed is the color palette. Before it was red, now they dress in blue.

[00:25:30]Um, another thing I wanted to mention, Joel, I didn't send this to you, but I'll explain what this is. The Guardian published an article about what the Marriott Hotel in Caracas has become, and it sounds like a spy novel. The guy describes it, the journalist, as if you walk in and all you hear is American English, Texas English, you see Marines, you see diplomats, and everyone talking about privatizations and what business we're going to do, and minerals and oil and all that. So things have changed. Of course they've changed.

[00:26:05]Who will benefit and when? It's still all up in the air. There's a sense of progress, but of course things are moving.

[00:26:12]There's a perspective, that is, there's a horizon, let's say, you can see the light at the end of the tunnel. The thing is, the speed at which the car is moving towards the end of the tunnel isn't what we'd all like. But I think there are people among them, that is, there are people who are preparing to invest, they're preparing logistically for the day when the conditions are right. But nobody is going to invest a... But look, it's not just the millionaires. I mean, if you, for example, Germania, you have $1,000 saved and you say, "Look, with this $1,000, whatever you want, 1,000, 10,000, 100,000, whatever, you would put $ 1,000 in Venezuela right now, in what, for what?" It's us, we are the people, the citizens of, that is, the normal ones, never better said, who do not yet trust that it is the right time to invest or to return in the case of the exiles, well imagine the people who have significant capital. There's no way. Nobody is going to entrust their country or their money to a country that is in these circumstances.

[00:27:23]Mm.

[00:27:24]Well, we are now more than 200 people.

[00:27:26]Sorry. Hello.

[00:27:28]Hello to more than 200 people. Uh-huh. What are you saying, J? No, that deep down, I mean, this has to lead somewhere. Uh, I think it's heading towards a transition, but we can't call it that yet. They are holding on.

[00:27:44]Well, there are certainly movements. Alex App's situation is obviously an important sign. That, Joel, is another piece of news I wanted to share with you from my friend Sarah Kinosian. She works for Reuers. In March she had reported that the United States government had given the dictatorship a list of names of at least seven that they wanted them to hand over. Well, now Sara tells us, "Venezuela has already arrested others on this list and the US police have been talking to at least one of them for weeks and they won't have to extradite him if everything goes as they want it to."

[00:28:24]Who does that sound like to you?

[00:28:27]There are many options. We know that those who are arrested, Gorrín.

[00:28:32]Yes, yes. Aissami, look, Aissami is on a hunger strike because he didn't know that people were tortured in Venezuela until he was tortured himself. The mask-making is too much.

[00:28:48]Enough, it's unbelievable. But look, I do believe that this thing about, well, Alex's thing, the thing is that on average Americans aren't aware of any of this, I mean, they're not interested. Now, for those who are in the know, this is obviously a blow even to Biden, that is, to the Biden administration. The Biden administration returned SAP; it already had it. But speaking of the establishment opposition, Jobel says, and Juan González says—and I do n't trust anything Juan González says—but according to Juan González, the Venezuelan opposition asked him to exchange Alex Sa to get to the 2024 elections.

[00:29:35]Look, we already knew from some press revelation that the agreement was that they would hand him over, because Biden, or Sleepy Joe, had agreed to hand over Alex Hab in exchange for elections because he thought it was that easy, right? This one, they obviously danced it. He probably didn't even realize it, but hey, I think it's a triumph in itself, I mean, it's a triumph that this man, aside from everything it cost him since he was in Cape Verde, I mean, this story of Alex is, uh, it's really... What do you think? We've already talked about this, but I want to know your opinion. What do you think, Delsy Jorge, about everyone saying they have nothing to do with Alex, that he's Colombian? He is a Colombian accused in the United States and has nothing to do with him. But of course, we have the archives where you can see the videos of them saying that the Venezuelan diplomat and asking for freedom were received when Joe Biden handed him over, they received him on the steps of the Maduro airport in Maiketía. Everyone was there applauding him, treating him like a national hero.

[00:30:43]But this is a completely absurd image. I mean, look, in that sense, when you see this, I certainly think that María Corina is right about that. That's when you see that Nels Rodriguez is certainly working to dismantle what was already in place. How much? How far will it go? He will deliver those who are missing. I don't know, but I didn't think he was going to turn Alex in either, to be honest.

[00:31:07]Dels is going to end. She was going to end up telling us that she doesn't know Jorge.

[00:31:14]She's going to her house in Madeira, Portugal, all by herself to enjoy her millions.

[00:31:20]Okay, let's get to the main course because I think what we 're talking about most is how things have changed. What has made me happiest since January 3rd, well, the liberation, right? Because the release of the police officers made me happy, but at the same time it gives you a deep sadness, understanding that they cannot be reunited with their parents who died, whom they have lost. So, it's like mixed feelings.

[00:31:50]But the shoemaker was charged.

[00:31:54]What a great story.

[00:31:58]Look, I think it's this because I remember very well, I have a very clear memory, also, I think I was in Miami when your mother presented on Agárrate the fragment of the interview with Piedad Córdoba in which she said that Zapatero had been given a mine and so I don't understand.

[00:32:21]I want to believe it's because the justice system took that fragment of the interview and started the investigation from there, because otherwise, how could so much time have passed? Well, I think it's indeed positive news. It has completely changed the political landscape in Spain because Zapatero was, for those who follow the Socialist Party, the last pillar, so to speak, because it is true that Felipe González, being the Spanish Socialist Party, has aligned himself much more with the real fight in favor of democracy.

[00:32:55]Zapatero, on the other hand, served the interests of the international left, and before they told us there was no proof of this. That's why I'm so happy. And you know how many times I've been saying what we Venezuelans know, that Zapatero is a criminal, that he has gotten rich off our tragedy and the people, but there is no proof of that, there are no accusations of that. Well, they've already blocked his bank accounts, look, I think it's a big step, but we have to wait for justice to actually take its course. The indictment is a big step, but will he really be sentenced, judged fairly? I don't know much about the situation in Spain, but I see Spain as a country, that is, always the PSOE, how long do they have power. So, I don't understand how they charged this man, or if this is even going to happen.

[00:33:49]Well, that's what it is, but that tells you about an independent judiciary that, moreover, the judiciary in Spain has gone after everyone, from Shakira to the king, and they returned Shakira's money.

[00:34:04]Justice for Shakira.

[00:34:06]Yes, I mean, it's impressive that even the King of Spain, not the current one, the previous one, his daughter, the King's daughter was in the dock. So, in Spain, whoever has to be charged is charged, but they don't necessarily turn out well, because for example, I want to keep things in perspective, but for example, Princess Cristina was charged and was eventually acquitted.

[00:34:34]So, in action one, as they say here, innocence is assumed until... Exactly. presumption of innocence until proven otherwise.

[00:34:44]But the indictment itself is undoubtedly satisfactory for those of us who know that the United States government is helping, and information is already coming out that these little girls, you saw them, are Zapatero's daughters, the ones who were paid to work in an organization, and you know how they do with the children of millionaires, they tell them, "Ah, you have a position here and you earn all this money." These two were also enjoying Zapatero's relationship with Venezuela, which by the way, look at this news that came out. Do you want to see them again? Yes, they are very pretty. I'll show it to you.

[00:35:28]Thank you. You can remove them now. Uh-huh. Look at this news from El Confidencial, it's that, according to the accusations, they are criminals, but in the style of Pablo Escobar.

[00:35:40]Before being charged, Rodríguez Zapatero had planned a trip to Venezuela, and it is believed that the reason was to destroy evidence against him. He was going to stay at an address provided by Delsey. The trip was urgent and only lasted two days. This high-speed trip was aimed at settling some issues that were troubling him, revealed José María Olmo of El Confidencial.

[00:36:08]Nothing that surprises me, but now a detail that links this Zapatero issue with another topic I've been talking about to my audience, which is the new generation of "baby-connected" people in Venezuela, particularly Jorge Jiménez. Look at this, listen carefully to what this person says about the Zapatí case.

[00:36:35]Talk about it with whomever you need to talk about it with, or address it to whomever you need to address it to, not to me. Uh, I'll pass this on to Coldo, and especially to José Luis Ávalos, to which Coldo tells me in his own way, and again I apologize, that they can all go to hell, okay? And José Luis Ávalos, obviously much more polite, tells me, "Víctor, eh, don't pay any attention, eh, it's something that whoever needs to talk to him about it will have to discuss. It's none of your business." Okay, I understand that there's already some pressure on that side, right? by Mr. José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero, because we started receiving calls, let's say, from the Maduro government to me, asking why the Spanish government was supporting the candidacy, I repeat, it's not a candidacy, supporting the interim president at that time of Venezuela.

[00:37:36]Uh, I don't know the answer to that.

[00:37:39]You mention that you have received calls from the Maduro government. Who are you calling?

[00:37:44]Well, in this case, Dels Rodriguez.

[00:37:45]Dels Rodríguez. Silo.

[00:37:47]What was your relationship with Dels Rodríguez?

[00:37:49]Well, my relationship with Dels Rodríguez began in 2014 through Jorge Jiménez, who at that time was a very close friend of hers. Today he is the president of the federation; the president of the Football Federation was the intermediary between the Chavista dictatorship and Zapatero.

[00:38:11]But it all makes sense, Joel, because you remember the smell of the suitcases, the suspicious suitcases.

[00:38:16]Jorge Jiménez was there, the head of the Vinotinto who doesn't achieve anything, but he has all the money in the world and just got married in Canaima. I told them all the details, that they were asking for $12,000 trays as gifts, and uh, who were the ones who went to play? The Gypsy Kings are here in Canaima. Gypsy Kings by André Reyes, because they are separated into several.

[00:38:45]And here's the thing: you can't get the Gypsy Kings for less than $100,000 at your event, and look, they took them in a small plane to see Angel Falls. And look what Andrés Reyes says. Sometimes life gives you a moment that leaves you with a lot. I have traveled all over the world, I have played in a thousand corners, but today in Canaima I felt something that cannot be explained with music. Oh, well, that's cool. André Reyes. I don't know if I have felt God on my side. Clear.

[00:39:18]I don't know if I'll ever be able to visit Canaima or Angel Falls, but they are now the owners and we understand what Jorge Jiménez did; it's beyond words. So, how do you explain this to someone from a normal country, J? It cannot be explained. But look, I think it all corresponds to the patterns we've known for years.

[00:39:41]If you present me with a situation like this, I'd say, Venezuela style, or rather, Chavista style, they've used everything, they've penetrated everything. And I think it's very valuable that this testimony is public, that we can see it, that we understand what is being said in these processes and see where they lead. So, what do you think?

[00:40:05]How would you explain it to your husband? It's more like trying to explain the Medellín cartel and Pablo Escobar than a government.

[00:40:16]That's how it has to be done. Look, don't think of this as a government because you won't understand it if you have the privilege of democracy. This is a criminal organization, and people like Zapatero, who are dressed as politicians, are criminals like Pablo Cobar.

[00:40:35]And the thing about Zapatero is that, look, Zapatero is still around because unfortunately the international community has never been interested in Venezuela or any left-wing tragedy, and they see Zapatero and Pedro Sánchez now because they have faced Trump's anti-establishment stance. Of course, Sánchez is playing the hero.

[00:40:55]Yes, yes, yes, yes. It's true. I mean, who would have thought they'd all be lumped together? Pope Leo XIII and Pedro Sánchez. I wouldn't have imagined it.

[00:41:04]By the way, Pedro Sánchez is coming to see the Pope on Wednesday, not Tuesday. This, that's going to be another one. And they'll say, "Look, the Pope has also chosen Pedro Sánchez as the leader of the free world."

[00:41:19]Yes, it's a delicate moment because, well, the Pope is going to Spain, we're going to Spain with him on June 6th. So, well, look, in international politics, Spanish politics is impressive. Well, the aim, of course, was to ensure that the Pope's visit to Spain did not coincide with an election or a particularly turbulent time, and then, two weeks before, this all exploded.

[00:41:43]So, let's see, let's see what surprises await us. But look, what happened with Zapateros, I certainly think it's as satisfactory, or almost as satisfactory, as what happened with Raúl Castro.

[00:41:57]Let's talk about that. Look, I always say, I grew up in Miami when I moved there at age 11, and if you're from Miami you feel half Cuban. I say that I am, I feel, and I love the Cuban community because they went through what we grew up with Cristina.

[00:42:19]Exactly. Aere, you know how it is. And then, look, how beautiful it is to see beyond what this really means for Cuba, because we know it's not so easy, it's not like who knows what they're going to do. The obvious move would be the same as they did with Maduro, and that's why they 're charging him so they can go and get him. Well, but it's also a reminder of what the dictatorship has done. Look, I didn't know about this case of the brothers to the rescue.

[00:42:49]Yes, they have it. I do n't know if you've seen it, I shared it on my Twitter. They have a recording of Raúl Castro saying, "If you see them, shoot them, shoot them, well, bring that plane down."

[00:43:02]But the United States government has had this recording for decades, and they're looking for it now.

[00:43:08]So, do you think they're going to go looking for Raúl? And if they do look for him, what does that mean? Because they must have, let's see, this should make us think that if they took this step, it's because they already have their Del in Cuba.

[00:43:20]Okay. Uh-huh. So, who would the Del be? The grandson who says he likes capitalism?

[00:43:25]Well, I'm not sure, to be honest. Or maybe it's a figure we don't have in our sights precisely so that he takes everyone by surprise. Yes, see you in the Canary Islands. Sorry, see you there.

[00:43:35]Oh, it's in the Canary Islands. What?

[00:43:37]The Pope is going to Madrid, Barcelona, ​​and the Canary Islands.

[00:43:40]Oh, well, obviously you have to come to the discussion and tell us everything that Go ahead.

[00:43:44]Yes. Yes, and you know, the Canary Islands section will focus on migration because obviously many migrants arrive in the Canaries, and I also thought it would focus on African migration arriving in Portmar, but yesterday I spoke with the head of Caritas in La Palma, Canary Islands, and she says no, it will be exactly proportional between Latin Americans and Africans because the number of Latin Americans living in the Canaries is much higher than that of Venezuelans. I was just impressed. I mean, you feel like, well, it's going to be a Venezuelan speaking, but she told me that an African migrant and a Hispanic migrant will speak before the Pope and give him their testimony of what it means to arrive as a refugee in the Canary Islands. And the Pope is going to see this... well, he's going because it was Pope Francis's wish to go to the Canary Islands. Francis never went to Spain. The last Pope who went was Benedict XV. 2011. So, a country as historically important to the Catholic Church as Spain had gone 15 years without receiving the Pope. So, this figure returns, and moreover, a new Pope, a Pope whose message is being well received by young people, particularly because they find him opposed to Trump. So, when the Pope's message is read in a political light, many people there find themselves relating to him and agree with his positions.

[00:45:19]So, well, I think it's going to be a very beautiful trip, a truly symbolic trip, full of symbolism. They're already saying there have been many surprises, and today you're going to like this, right? No, I don't know if you're going to like it, but today the Cardinal of Madrid said he doesn't rule out the Pope meeting with Bad Bunny in Madrid because... Oh, don't tell me that because they're going to hate me again. No, I'm not talking about Bad Bunny anymore because the same day we arrive in Madrid, there's a vigil at night with young people, in which, I think, 300,000 young people are expected. At the very least.

[00:45:58]That same night, Bad Bunny is giving his concert in Madrid. So, uh, they were saying that they haven't ruled out the possibility of the Pope receiving Bad Bunny. It also came out, and the organizer told Valentina, my boss, that they tried to contact Rosalía, because you know Rosalía's latest album is very spiritual and all that. Uh, well, they tried to contact her so that she could sing for the Pope.

[00:46:24]However, she's going to be in Boston that day giving a concert, so she won't be able to participate. But anyway, this was the papal break. Okay. Well, Andreina, you're arriving. Yes, thank you for joining us, but you missed a lot.

[00:46:37]After you see the end of the live stream, you have to start again. Well, part of the reason I like, I love talking with Jovelito, is because I think we're the only two people I know who can talk about politics and also about show business. So, uh, today we want to touch on two topics.

[00:46:57]First, something important here in the United States. Today is The last episode of which late-night show, Stephen Colbert's show, I mean, that was the David Letterman show, right?

[00:47:07]Letterman. Yes, yes, exactly.

[00:47:10]Well, he explains why they're blaming Trump, but really, I think it's not so black and white that Trump said no, because those shows, who watches those shows? Ovel. Let's see.

[00:47:23]I watch them if there's a guest I'm interested in, right? I mean, it's not from the... But particularly Colbert's show, as far as I understood, was the most watched of all. It was the most watched. Yes.

[00:47:37]Uh, CBS cited economic issues. However, Colbert, since as soon as this was announced to him, Colbert has been absolutely relentless with the network, attacking them publicly, and among those attacks he's said that I do n't know what had generated like 47 million dollars for them. I mean, he's already revealing the money, let's say, that they've earned to say that it's not for economic reasons. What's also striking is that a successor wasn't appointed, it's not that he's leaving Colbert and then another one comes along, it's like they completely ruined the show after so many years. So, uh, I do regret it. Personally, of all of them, the one I liked best was Colbert.

[00:48:23]Seriously. Ugh. I don't like Colbert. I don't like him anymore, seriously, they're all there because all they do is talk against Trump. Yes, I know, but let's just say that his interviewing style reminded me of Jimmy Kimmel, I can't stand him. That's the truth. I used to like him sometimes, but now all he does is talk badly about Trump. The other one is the opposite. He doesn't talk about anything of value.

[00:48:48]Which one? Which one?

[00:48:49]Jimmy Fallon.

[00:48:50]Oh, Jimmy Fallon. Yes, yes. And then Seth Myers. And Seth, I'd say he's the one I like the most, but then there's this British guy, I forgot John Oliver.

[00:49:02]Yes, I see.

[00:49:04]Well, and we have here, someone mentioned Bill Gates Real Time, but that's once a week too. Bill, Yes, Bill Maer is spectacular.

[00:49:14]Bill Maer, uh, actually, obviously I'd put Bill Maer above Colbern, because he's a brilliant person. You know, Bill Maer reminds me of someone at times?

[00:49:24]No, I'm not going to say it, but no, but I think he's a brilliant person, very astute, capable of criticizing everyone equally. A person with common sense, with common sense. Which is what I want. You're not supposed to be so, I mean, you have to give everyone what they want.

[00:49:42]Yes, but let's say the artist interviews I enjoyed the most were Colbern's, because he let them talk more, he didn't interrupt them as much. Uh, that's what I liked about him. I always enjoyed, oh, a fantastic one with Diane Keiton, who is, uh, always will be one of my platonic loves. Diane Keiton, a fantastic woman. And with Colbern he did an interview, a very good interview.

[00:50:06]So, I'm sorry, I'm sorry that this space is closing. Uh, certainly there have been From the Trump administration, there was verbal pressure—I don't know if it went beyond this, but verbal pressure to get him fired as well. Now they're after Jimmy Kimmel. Uh, I don't think that's the role of a president. I think these spaces have to exist, and I think there should be, just as there are all these anti-right-wing shows, there should be anti-left-wing shows on the same platforms, I mean, to give everyone an equal voice, but suddenly everything is anti-Trump, and half the country is fed up with that too. And you know I have a lot of criticisms of Trump, but when I start to feel like everyone is telling me the same thing, I get uncomfortable.

[00:50:51]Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

[00:50:54]Well, the other thing I wanted to mention, and please leave your comments because this has been a controversy on social media, and I'm really not on either side because I'm not an expert on Homer Simpson or the Odyssey, but they have a young argument because Christopher Nolan's new movie is going to Exit, that's it, that's it, uh, uh, seats are sold out, you can't find tickets, it's on Are You Okay?

[00:51:25]Yes. Okay.

[00:51:26]Um, please leave comments because I want to know what you think. Because in Christopher Nolan's odyssey, Helen of Troy is going to be played by the actress Lupita Nyong'o, who is Black. And well, that has caused controversy because people are saying, "How are they going to change this story?" And the other side is saying, "But what story?" This didn't really happen, this is a story. What do you think about it? What I don't understand is people tearing their wrists out over what Homer actually meant when we do n't really know if Homer was one person or several people, I mean, I don't know, I don't know if we should be spending so much time on this.

[00:52:15]Look, I'm frankly tired of these kinds of debates, and I think the culmination of this whole situation occurred with the new HBO Harry Potter series, in which Snape, who is a character described in the book—I mean, in the book JK Rowling clearly described Snape with his race—and even though the author is alive and Alan Rickman has done an extraordinary job as Snape, and we all have that image in our minds, they decided no, they were going to change the race of a character like Snape. If they do that, it can happen in any other problematic circumstance and end up being worse because the story in Harry Potter is that Snape is the bad guy who is always trying to mess with Harry Potter, and it's going to look bad if the main character is black, right? And besides, Harry's father bullied Snape. But then, of course, now there's a whole racial issue that wasn't in the book originally because now it's racist.

[00:53:26]Exactly. And this didn't exist, that is, it did n't exist in the original book.

[00:53:31]So, unless within the new argument, then in the script they emphasize that this is racist. And so now we're going to have to treat James as a racist character. Don't know. I don't know what they're going to do, but frankly, look, I'm completely against racism. I am completely in favor of fair representation of all types of races that exist. I mean, I'm all for Latinos, Afro-descendants, Asians, everyone having the right to see themselves on screen because it feels great. Well, there are characters that were constructed in a certain way and that I would think should be respected as their author stated.

[00:54:15]However, I believe that at this moment those of us who think this way either have no power or are a minority.

[00:54:23]Well, look, here it is. I think it's just a rumor. People were saying, I do n't know if you know who the actress is, sorry, it was, uh, I get confused about how to speak. She was Page and now she's Elliot Page. Do you know which one it is?

[00:54:38]Yes, there's a rumor that Elliot Page is going to be Achilles, but that's not confirmed. I think it's just a rumor. But this is what happens. The thing is, but look, yes, that one in particular.

[00:54:49]Look, we've had hundreds of, well, not hundreds, but we've had some very prominent ones. Um, for example, what's the name of Cruella's? E Stone was the last one. Cruella, uh, yes, no, not the last one, uh, the previous one, the one from when we were children.

[00:55:06]Oh no, this one, I love her. Glenn Cles.

[00:55:10]Glenn Close, Glen Close has played male roles. I mean, these kinds of interpretations, I think an actor can do whatever they want, and it's also fascinating to see a woman playing a man, a man playing a woman, they're masterful. I would n't get too involved there, but, uh, I don't know, this part of transforming, I mean, of manipulating the intention with which an author wrote their work unnecessarily, well, I do find it strange, but look, I think I also probably have to open my mind to these things happening and accept it because otherwise we make our lives miserable unnecessarily. It's so that... Well, that's the main thing. I have many problems with the tragedy in Venezuela. I'm not going to stress about Helen of Troy being black.

[00:55:55]Apart from her earning millions and us here waiting for you.

[00:55:59]Exactly. That's enough. Look at the other thing people were saying, that Lupita Newong is Mexican, just so you know. Yes. Yes. And she speaks Spanish. Perfect.

[00:56:08]Yes.

[00:56:08]Um, I don't know if you saw that Christopher Nolan, the director, gave an interview and said that he never sends emails, that he doesn't use email.

[00:56:17]And yes, that did bother me because that's not true. The truth is that he has five assistants because you think you can be the film director that Christopher Nolan is and you've never sent an email.

[00:56:30]That's like when people say, "No," they always want to tell you they don't have a television. "No, I don't watch television," and it's like it's some kind of superiority thing. So, that's the story. Now, look, I don't have a television, but I don't brag about it because I spend all day on the computer. I mean, my television is the computer, my phone, I mean, there's no superiority in that. And besides, I do think a television can be useful, it's nicer, more convenient, but of course, now I see that people project it on the wall, you know? With a projector. Oh, yes, I have my projector. I love a projector. I think that's the way it is today.

[00:57:04]Television will become obsolete.

[00:57:06]Well, Jovelito, thank you for joining us and thank you to the... Well, right now there are almost 300 people, but many more have come through. They're going to cancel on us. They're going to cancel on us.

[00:57:16]Why are they going to cancel on us? Because we said it was because of Lupita Niongo's part. You'll see. No, what worries me here... Here, I'm usually more progressive in the community because, like I said, I got canceled when I said—and I don't even want to repeat myself—that I liked Bad Bunny. They sent me essays saying they had to cancel me, that they couldn't trust someone like that. I do n't like Bad Bunny at all, not his music or anything, but I recognize the role he plays in the entertainment industry. And besides, I remember when Karol G performed at the Vatican last year. She gave this performance in St. Peter's Square. She sang, well, she sang, but obviously she didn't twerk. I mean, she sang two decent songs and was dressed up, but she sang, and there was a huge commotion. Besides, the image I posted of the concert ad for Karol G's performance—you could see St. Peter's Basilica in the background and the ad in the foreground—was very impactful.

[00:58:22]With all the things I saw, it wouldn't surprise me if the reaction now is the same. They say, "The Pope can't receive Bad Bunny because he's a sinner, because he's immoral, like they said about Karol G." Well, Karol G showed up at the Vatican, she did wonderfully well, with absolute decency, just as I assumed she would. And if the Pope receives Pat Bonnie in Madrid, I think that's the example we need, the example the world needs to see, that the Church isn't like it was in the past, to judge people, to exclude them, but rather to let people know and understand that God is there for everyone. Enough already, enough of the moralizing and trying to make people think that God only loves the perfect. That's where our lives slip away, our hope slips away, and we feel judged and condemned. Enough of these narratives, enough. I hope the Pope sees Bad Bunny, I hope he gives him a hug, I hope he tells him that God loves him and nothing more.

[00:59:25]Well, thank you, Jovelito, thank you to everyone who joined us. Alejandro is always asking me who we have on Tuesday. But Alejandro, I do n't have a schedule like that. I check things out every day; I have several options because I'm in Miami, where I know a lot of people. So, on Tuesday I'm going to have a great guest, and actually, I think Thursday won't be a live stream, but I'm going to post a video with my uncle Francisco Poleo because I'm going to see him.

[00:59:48]So you'll have extra content, and we're preparing something with someone else who's moving, so they've had a busy few weeks, but as soon as they finish moving, things are coming.

[01:00:03]That will definitely cause a stir. So, you know, I invite you to watch all our past live streams, subscribe to Jobel's channel, where we're going to do a collaboration. And well, see you soon. Thanks for joining us, everyone.

[01:00:17]Bye.