Why Trump Can’t Exit the Iran Conflict | Mohammad Marandi

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[00:00:00]Hello and welcome to another episode of India and Global Left. If you are new to the show, please hit that subscribe button. Also consider becoming a YouTube member, a Patreon or donate small amount given in the link in the description box. Without further ado, let me welcome our guest tonight, Professor Muhammad Mandi. Professor Mandi is from Iran and he teaches at University of Thran.

[00:00:22]Professor Mandi, welcome back to Indian Global Left.

[00:00:27]>> Thank you very much for inviting me.

[00:00:29]It's always a great pleasure.

[00:00:32]>> I wanted to start with a broad question.

[00:00:34]Um, how would you describe what's going on between the United States and Iran at this moment?

[00:00:42]>> Well, Iran is dealing with u people who are not very sane.

[00:00:49]Uh, so um we have to um we have to manage.

[00:00:57]That's as far as I can go. There's nothing else to say.

[00:01:01]>> Uh we've been hearing from the administration and the mainstream media has been uh reiterating or repeating um that line that a delude Iran is uh imminent. Um Iranian media um Iranian officials have been very suspicious of it. My own sense is that Trump administration has been doing it to at least uh placate the market, keep the future prices of oil lower than the actual delivery price of the physical oil. Um and also perhaps not perhaps but to contain the domestic sentiment given uh this war is so uh unpopular in the United States. What is your sense of why you've been hearing about an imminent deal?

[00:01:49]>> You're correct. Based on what Trump has been saying in his most recent truth social uh posts, um we do not yet have a deal.

[00:02:02]Iran's uh conditions are clear. They're not going to change. Trump will have to accept those conditions, otherwise there won't be a deal. And um it doesn't really bother the Iranians if Trump manipulates the markets. Uh the more he pours uh strategic US uh strategic reserves u oil from US strategic reserves on to the market and talks down the market price. That's uh that's actually helpful to Iran because uh Iran wants uh to prevent demand destruction. Iran wants consumption to remain high uh so that US and Western strategic reserves finish sooner rather than later and that is going to ultimately put them in a very very difficult situation.

[00:03:04]managing uh or manipulating the market like this is um is doable is manageable up to a point.

[00:03:16]But uh once those reserves begin to finish and um people recognize that this crisis is much bigger than they were told, things will spiral out of control.

[00:03:34]And uh we're we're getting there. Uh from what experts are saying uh the month of June will be very decisive for the oil market and oil is a bit a part of the problem. It's also LNG, it's helium, it's fertilizers, it's everything. uh it's all sorts of things that are produced uh at uh uh uh at countries at uh prochemical plants in the Persian Gulf. And of course there are other things that are produced in the region that are energy intensive which are also missing from the market.

[00:04:20]It's it's not a it's this is a catastrophe for the United States, but um Trump can hide it for a while and he's making it far worse for the reasons I explained because uh since there is very little demand destruction, there's a lot of complacency and and consumption is high, governments are not preparing themselves, people are not preparing themselves and uh this is going to put Trump in a very very bad situation.

[00:04:51]And uh why do you think Trump is unable to uh roll back or get off ramp? Is it uh still the clout of the Israel lobby or uh is it uh a genuine disagreement about uh what to do with the stock of uh 490 kg of 60% enriched uranium or uh the future of the street of Hormuz uh or is he actually trying to find a way to uh get off ramp with a victory of narrative of victory?

[00:05:29]Why why is he unable to uh get off RAM?

[00:05:34]>> I think his biggest problem by far is the Zionist lobby. The Zionist lobby, the Israeli regime, they've destroyed the global economy. And uh it is getting worse by the hour. And uh when Trump uh recognizing what a bad situation he and Netanyahu have created something which have I mean we shouldn't have had war in the first place. It's an illegal and uh and criminal war that they carried out.

[00:06:04]But after 39 days where they were defeated, Netanyahu and Trump, uh there could have been a ceasefire where oil and other goods could have flowed through the straight of Hormos. But then we all recall that Netanyahu wrecked the ceasefire deal by carpet bombing Lebanon and that prevented Iran from allowing those extra ships to pass through.

[00:06:29]Remember the straight of foremost was never closed. It was only closed to countries that were complicit in the war against Iran for good reason. So Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, the Emirates, and Qatar who helped slaughter all those uh 3,500 I think or so Iranians.

[00:06:50]um their ships were blocked other but Chinese ships, Russian ships, Indian ships, Pakistani ships, Bangladeshi ships, uh Japanese ships and and others they have been passing through the straight every day roughly 25 20 30 ships are going through the straight um at at the moment. Um but uh we were going to have a ceasefire where many more ships would pass through and it would become much and and the global economy would have um been able to be saved from this huge crisis if only Netanyahu had not uh carpet bomb Beirut slaughtering hundreds of people to to ruin the ceasefire agreement. But so what is happening now?

[00:07:39]Trump has recognized that things are getting much worse. It's been over three months now and uh the crisis is growing and it's becoming it's having a snowball effect and ultimately uh this is going to blow up in his face. So he wants a deal and we almost had a deal.

[00:08:00]Um the uh the two sides had were very close and then as expected the Zionist lobby, the Israeli regime, they were uh outraged, they were angry and they started pushing back. and Trump being the really uh weak and uh uh cowardly president that he is. He backed down immediately.

[00:08:34]So we were close to deal and now it seems from his rhetoric that we've been hearing over the uh past few days and today as well that we are further away from a deal. But Iran's position will not change. So all he's doing is he's going to make the global economy uh move towards a much more dangerous situation.

[00:09:05]>> Uh how long do you think you'd be um you'd be forced by the Zionist lobby? I'm asking this given the objective conditions that he is facing are so dire. Um the direct economic impact on the US economy including uh inflation and effectively interest rates and therefore growth. um the the the future of the petro dollar system given all the expenses that the Gulf economies are incurring um in military effectively leaving much fewer investment that was plugged into the transatlantic dollar system that solidified the petro dollar system um given um the u strain on the military uh industrial complex uh critical resources having to be diverted from South Korea Korea and Taiwan into uh West Asia. Uh uh one can go on and on about uh uh what he is facing and these are the objective conditions that uh tell us that he is uh desperate to get uh off ramp. Uh but then there is the Zionist lobby. So I'm just uh thinking about uh forces of history. Uh how long do you think u the Zionist lobby will be able to hold on and keep forcing him into this war?

[00:10:27]I think a key objective of Iran is to try to put enough pressure on the United States to make it have to prioritize the United States over the Israeli regime. So until now, the United States sacrificed its own people for the Israeli regime. That's that has always been the case. And this has become much more evident since 9/11.

[00:10:59]9/11 of course most probably I mean from the evidence we now see was the Musad was probably involved and they use al-Qaeda which is a a tool of the west uh to carry out this attack. And then we saw Wesley Clark uh speak tell how a a general told him of a plan to take out seven countries in 5 years and six of those countries have been effectively uh overthrown and we've reached the last country Iran. The only problem is that that 5-year plan took uh a good almost 25 years instead.

[00:11:46]And uh thanks to Iran uh the United States has paid a heavy price on the way the empire uh because the Iranians helped the resistance in Iraq. It helped the resistance in Afghanistan.

[00:12:01]It uh it helped the resistance of course in Yemen. Uh it helped the resistance in Syria. Although the the US proxies, al-Qaeda and ISIS forces did come to power, but they've been severely uh weakened. Uh this this brutal and barbaric takiri force of of the West, it's been badly weakened. But in any case, uh the United States has spent tens of trillions of dollars on these forever wars. But uh the biggest defeat by far as uh Robert Kagan has pointed out in his article in the Atlantic.

[00:12:45]Kagan being the godfather of the neo neocons and the husband of a major neocon. Uh he said this is the greatest defeat in in in American history contemporary American history 21st 20th century. So um the United States today is uh is has to make a decision. Since 911, the United States has been pursuing an Israeli project in our region and uh the price has been much higher than expected and it for the reasons that I said thanks to General Solommani and Ayat it helped the resistance against the occupation and um so the United States became weaker and weaker but it was always a prioritization of the Israeli regime.

[00:13:39]This was all about Israel. All of what we happened at I mean there there many objectives in Iraq and Afghanistan and the minerals, the oil, but at the end of the day this these policies were pursued because of the Israeli regime. That was their priority and so it was America's priority. And um the attack on Iran, the war against Iran, same objective. And now the United States has spent tens of trillions of dollars and in this war it's getting it's going to get much worse than in previous wars. And the economic crisis emerging in the United States which is comp which is uh is a crisis that is uh building up for multiple reasons. the the the never- ending wars that I explained, but also the neoliberal policies and um that have been pursued especially after the collapse of the Soviet Union. Um that has brought a situation where today the United States is on the brink of something very dark.

[00:14:48]It's already in a very bad situation, but it's on the brink of something very dark. And um the United States has to make a decision. Does it want to go into that darkness or does it want to find a solution? If it prioritizes the Israeli regime, then it will go into darkness. If it uh makes a decision to prioritize itself for once, then I still think it's going to get very bad. But at least they'll be able to um they'll be able to soften the the blow if uh let's just assume if the US could uh prioritize itself and and I'm talking about u the empire itself prioritizing itself. I'm not saying the US prioritizing itself in with great excitement. Um would would that mean that uh the issue would uh effectively come down to uh the straight of hormones and uh uh the enriched uranium or uh would it also include all the other set of issues that seem to me at the moment has uh taken back seat. I mean they're still talking about uh Iranian allies in the region or uh uh but but things like regime change, things like uh ending civilization, I mean everyone now knows these were jokes or you know just uh hot air. Um they have failed miserably in all these regards. I mean they ought to fail. Uh what would that mean if if at if for once the US could prioritize itself?

[00:16:41]>> It would mean that it would sign the deal that has been discussed over the past few weeks. Uh the Iranians are going to maintain control of the state straight of Hormos. That's uh that's not going to change come what may. The Iranians are not going to give up their sovereignty or their peaceful nuclear program. Uh the Iranians are going to demand uh their assets that were stolen by the United States and upfront uh half of those stolen assets are going to have to be handed over. Iran will demand that the siege on ports by the Trump regime come to an end. and Iran will demand that the war in Lebanon, the Zionist war against the Lebanese people come to an end. These are conditions that are not going to change. And uh we almost had an agreement. And Trump simply by walking away and ranting and raving and uh carrying out a couple of uh air strikes or uh murdering a few uh soldiers and and for for no justification, he's not going to change that at all. So if he walks away, we'll just sit here. We'll wait and until he decides to come back. But while we're waiting, we're going to be looking at the US strategic reserves, the European reserves.

[00:18:11]We're going to be looking at uh uh how the uh American uh economy is going to deal with the situation during the month of June. And uh the expectation is that ultimately Trump will have to uh come back to the negotiating table.

[00:18:33]>> I wanted you >> if not then the global economy will collapse.

[00:18:40]We don't want this. But he and Netanyahu and the Zionists they are imposing this on the world.

[00:18:47]Uh it would be helpful if you could tell us a little bit about uh how important is uh uh Hezbollah for Iran and ultimately the cause of Palestine um given the mainstream media has uh uh tried to suppress um Iranian insistence about um US and Israel ending its war in Lebanon.

[00:19:12]While uh Iran has been very very clear about that being a an important uh condition about any kind of deal moving forward, the mainstream media has been making it as if it is all about the straight of hormones and the enriched uranium. Uh but but Iran has been uh very very insistent about uh ending the war in uh uh uh Lebanon which has a very very important uh element to the occupation in Palestine and um you and I know about its uh acceleration uh of uh the genocide let's say um which uh was paused to the degree it was but there has been tremendous atrocities um recently in fact many palis Palestinian analysts say that one of the reasons why Israel wants to stick to the war with Iran is to deflect uh global attention from Palestine so that it can continue its occupation in both West Bank and Gaza which they have not um uh left um since the so-called uh ceasefire.

[00:20:20]>> Well, for the Iranians uh the key issue of our time is the Palestinian issue. I mean for Iran, Cuba is very important, but uh Palestine is the is the biggest issue, but Iran supports Cuba. It's been supporting the Venezuelan people who've been taken hostage and uh and other countries and movements that have been under assault by the empire. But the Palestinian issue has been a key foreign policy issue uh for Iran and uh that is why Iran is assaulted. That is why Hezbollah is assaulted. That is why uh Iran is so antagonized in the west.

[00:21:08]It's all about Palestine. you know whether they say that Iran is a threat to the world because of nuclear programs or Iran is evil and it's violates human rights or uh whether it is terrorism and that Iran is a terrorist regime. All of this all of this is about one thing and that is Palestine. The west supports ethnos supremacism, ethnic cleansing and genocide and Iran opposes it. So Iran is evil. It's it's quite simple. It's very simple. This is exactly what it's been all about all this time and it's becoming clearer for people across the world. People in the past, I think many people across the world believe the western narrative uh because there was no other narrative out there. No uh no rival narrative. Iran never had much of voice. That's why I said on your show and on other shows that people should read Going to Tean by Flint and Hillary Leopard or Alistister Crook's book Resistance um or Peter Oorn's book, A Dangerous Delusion, because there's very little out there to read. If you really want to understand Iran, most of the other books, most of the media outlets, all of them give you a a warped understanding and and an understanding that is often 180 degrees uh different from reality.

[00:22:35]But people after the genocide in Gaza uh when across the world, they gradually saw that it was Iran that was supporting the Palestinians and everyone else was either indifferent or supporting or complicit or supporting the genocide.

[00:22:48]And uh gradually people woke up and then the 12- day war happened and then the the recent war happened and people saw the deceit of the United States. And it's not just Trump. We saw how the mainstream media, even those that support that oppose Trump, they were supporting the destruction of Iran. They were condemning Iran during the war, the victim. So people have woken up to this uh reality that exists for Iran. The Palestinian issue is a humanitarian issue.

[00:23:22]It is an issue that we can't close our eyes to just like we cannot close our eyes to the Cuban issue. Cubans are not uh uh the Cuban government is is a communist government. But uh we support the Cubans, the Cuban government, the Cuban people because they're victims.

[00:23:43]So in addition to that, we see that the Israeli regime is carrying out genocide now in Lebanon, a second genocide and uh the West of course supports it.

[00:23:54]Why? It's very clear that the West supports it. We are remember during the genocide in Gaza which is ongoing and it's getting worse by the day and sadly the momentum across the world those protests they've they've largely disappeared. Um during the genocide uh when Western media was being criticized for looking away or not, uh reporting on the mass slaughter every day, they gave uh they gave an excuse uh a single excuse almost every time and that was that well we don't have reporters on the ground. It was clear that people were being slaughtered. Kids buried under uh apartment blocks, feet hanging out, you know, every day. Tens and and sometimes hundreds of people slaughtered and then, you know, tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands dying through disease and injuries and and so on. But they use this excuse in order to help the Israeli regime. Western journalists, uh, legacy mainstream media journalists, out media outlets, from the Guardian to Breitbart, no difference.

[00:25:09]In Lebanon, we see the Western media has an enormous presence. Everyone has an office in Lebanon. Everyone has a reporter in Lebanon. They all have a presence there. But you see, the reporting is no different.

[00:25:24]They'll downplay what the regime, Israeli regime does. They'll call all those girls and boys and babies and infants that are slaughtered Hezbollah targets or those areas will be uh designated Hezbollah strongholds in order to legitimize the the genocide.

[00:25:42]Those journalists in Beirut, they are they are Epstein class employees. They need their money. They need their checks. They have no dignity. They have no honor. They have nothing. They're empty shells. Those mainstream leg and legacy media journalists and just like diplomats, Western diplomats in Beirut and and elsewhere that see all this, they western diplomats across the world instead of defecting and resigning, uh they're all they're all complicit in these genocidal projects. So, uh, Iran, just as it will not accept a genocide in Gaza or death in the cleansing of the West Bank, it will not accept the genocide in Lebanon. And now the focus of attention is on Lebanon. The the slaughter, the daily slaughter is just beyond belief. So Iran is not going to the the Americans are telling the Iranians, "Let the Israelis carry out the genocide and we'll and we'll have our agreement." Iran says no that's not going to happen. Just like during the past two and a half years, two year more than almost three years now, the West has called on Iran to let the Palestinians be massacred. Leave, you know, stop supporting the resistance.

[00:26:56]Iran and Hezbollah and Yemen, they said, "No, we're not going to let you exterminate them."

[00:27:04]And so, you know, this is the difference between the West and Iran. They are univilized and we're civilized.

[00:27:12]They are they they are carrying out the most evil genocide in human history. The most evil. Why? Because it's being done in front of the eyes of the world with complete impunity.

[00:27:30]We've had crimes committed in human history that are larger, but no one does it in front of a global audience like they do.

[00:27:40]And no country that pre pretends to be the free world or the civilized world uh has behaved in in the way in which the west has now where it tries to look away. It tries its best to justify. Even as its own people have turned against the Israeli regime, still the elites do whatever they can. They shut down debate. They take Tik Tok and hand it over to the Zionist. They take CNN and CBS and hand it over to the Zionist. The every all the social media is controlled now by the Zionists. All the mainstream media is effectively controlled by the Zionist. And yet they still cannot uh hide uh the genocide that's being carried out in front because they it was being carried out in front of the a global audience and they didn't care.

[00:28:33]But then when they saw after a year and a half the world began to shift away from the Israeli regime with greater discuss every day. Then they tried to hide it. Then they took over all the social media and all the legacy media outlets. But it was too late. So they've been doing this in front of the eyes of the world. They're doing it in Lebanon in front of the eyes of the world. And Iran says no, we will not accept that. Who else will uh prevent stop it from happening? Well, thank you Mr. Erdogan. You continue to transport oil from cheap oil from Baku Adif in the Republic of Azaban to help the Israelis at this time of fuel shortages across the world.

[00:29:17]uh you know thank you Mr. Cece for purchasing gas and uh helping the Israeli regime and all these Arab regimes that the the Netanyahu has has to thank all of them for their assistance and you know from Qatar with you know all Katar does is just show the crimes on TV but that's it. It's it has its own secret relations with Israel. It has helped the Americans and Israelis in Syria, in Yemen, against Iran and uh it has it has helped fund Kushner and and you know the Zionist furser and u uh you know the they're all complicit to say the least. Wickoff, they're all complicit. So if Iran doesn't stand for the people of Lebanon and Palestine, then who will?

[00:30:13]>> Professor Morandi, if I could end by asking you uh one final question um and that is about how Iranians see the outcome of this conflict in so far as uh what has happened so far. And I'm asking this particularly because a large section of the world um now sees Iran as massively important geopolitically and also global economically. Um so much so that professors at University of Chicago very mainstream professors um have been saying that Iran has become one of the four or five big powers. Um uh uh what is your sense about uh Iranians feeling about how the administration and government has handled this conflict? Uh and secondly, if you could tell us a little bit about what is the overall sentiment about the government given we've seen manufactured riots and um call it whatever you like. uh prior to um this uh uh this conflict and that obfuscates u general positive sentiment about Iranians about their system of governance for instance we have discussed on this show with others about the welfare state that Iran has within it. Of course the evaluation has to be done keeping in mind that Iran has been an economy under seas. uh reminding me of Michael Parenty who in his assessment of socialist economies called that these are socialisms under seas meaning thereby that socialist economies are so well never had the global system and one economy had that which is China and it performed but not to deflect from uh the core uh question uh there are lots of Iranians particularly poor Iranians who have always had positive sentiment about the revolution itself. So, if you could sum up this conversation by educating um our viewers and us um about Iranian sense of how the administration has handled the conflict.

[00:32:28]Well, historically again those books I think would be very useful that I said that I mentioned earlier but to get a broader understanding but uh the Iranians see that their government was not responsible for this war and it's not responsible for the siege. Uh right now siege warfare is being imposed on the Iranian people. The Americans are doing their best to starve Iran.

[00:32:54]Sometimes you see senators go on television and gloat saying they don't have food. That's this is this the regime that we're dealing with. The United States is is you know when when the ayati the first leader the the person who brought about the Islamic revolution said America is the great Satan. This is exactly what he was alluding to. It's an a terribly evil empire.

[00:33:20]They are the ones who uh enable the Israeli regime to carry out genocide. Their media enables the Zionist regime to get away with genocide. Their elites provide the theoretical framework to justify genocide.

[00:33:41]So it is a satanic regime in the eyes of and in the west they were saying why does he use this language it's it's evident it's obvious kidnap presidents you bomb people in boats in the Mediterranean with no justification destroying family families every day and then you just massacre people and you kidnap a president and his wife then you starve the people of Cuba and you you say we're going to destroy the country, take the country.

[00:34:16]That's that's the world that it's not as it's you know this is with Trump it's more crude the way he says it but in a sense he's only being more open about it. That's exactly what all the US presidents have been doing.

[00:34:34]Trump just is the ugly face of a very ugly regime.

[00:34:41]So the Iranian people see the country, the the state as a victim. The Iranians did not provoke this war. Iran did not escalate after provocation. The Iranian demands that Trump accepted. Remember at the beginning of the war, Trump said unconditional surrender. Lay down your arms. And then at the end he had to accept the Iranian 10-point plan for as a framework for negotiations. The Iranians saw the 10-point plan. It was a very reasonable plan, but for the Americans, it's outrageous.

[00:35:14]Why? Because they they don't respect the sovereignty of other nations. And it's not just Trump. It's the whole regime.

[00:35:22]Right now, the Iranian demands are hand over half of our stolen assets. And the Americans say, "How could we do that?

[00:35:30]It's Iranians. It's Iranian assets that you've stolen. You're thieves."

[00:35:37]So the Iranians, their expectations are to remove sanctions for so that Iran could sell its oil to not to the United States, but to other countries who want Iranian oil.

[00:35:50]These are outrageous expectations to to to stop the genocide in in Lebanon.

[00:35:57]Is that an outrageous expectation? These are normal expectations. But the west is such an abnormal part of the world that all of this is seen as demanding too much. Well, if they don't want to give it, then they can wait and then we'll see what happens to their economies in the west and what happens to the US economy. But the Iranian people know that the Americans are will try again to stir up uh uh unrest. They'll stir up uh um tensions wherever they can. They'll they'll support terrorists wherever they can. They will support separatists wherever they can. They will try to destroy the morale of the Iranian people. They'll try to destroy the Iranian economy. They're waging war on the Iranian people. They've been doing it for 47 years. And now we're at the height of the conflict between Iran and the empire.

[00:37:02]And Iran is fighting on behalf of the entire global south.

[00:37:07]Iran is in fighting on behalf of the global majority.

[00:37:12]And again, if you know, people should read Alistister's group uh Alistister Crooks uh and I think he's been on your show, his book resistance, the essence of the Islamic Revolution. I think and uh the book Going to Tean. Everyone should read that book. They should have their friends read it. They'll understand that this is the mentality of Iran that they are resisting on behalf of the global majority. It's been like this for decades on behalf of the global majority.

[00:37:40]uh resisting is is is an honor for the Iranian people because of their their their religious culture, the the culture of Ashur, of Imam Hussein, Kbala, his sisters Anab, their struggle against the oppressed and that that that historical moment resonates deeply in Iranian uh religious and uh religious culture and national culture. And the same is true in in Lebanon and the same is true in Yemen and and all those who support the Palestinian people who belong to the Axis of resistance. So these we're going to definitely see tough days ahead.

[00:38:21]They're waging war against the Iranian people and uh they will do whatever they can to undermine the country, but Iran will persevere and the United States will fail and ultimately there will be peace in Lebanon and the regime will have to back down and the world has turned against Zionism.

[00:38:41]The Israeli regime will no longer be able. This is this is in my opinion this was their last chance through genocide and ethnic cleansing to take over West Asia and the entire West Asia was too cowardly to do anything about it.

[00:39:02]some, you know, made noise like Erdogan, but he was never serious.

[00:39:08]And his people are not serious.

[00:39:11]They're they're they're allies of Trump.

[00:39:13]They they'll never take a step for the Palestinian people. and his his allies will try to use sectarianism in order to deflect attention away from reality as they've been doing in Qatar and Saudi Arabia and the Emirates and Jordan and Egypt for for for decades in or you know they they put out disinformation about Iran and the axis of resistance why to deflect to deflect it's all been about deflection but this was the last chance for the empire to take West Asia and the axis of resistance blocked it and they will be defeated. And people are waking up. People across the world in the in the United States, I just heard hours ago that um a large uh uh uh segment of the Jewish uh community in the United States is turning against the Israeli regime. And uh roughly half of them have turned of the youth up I think up to the age of 35 have turned against Zionism despite you look at all the propaganda that we we've seen in the United States and then double that triple that for the Jewish community but young Jews they see right through that propaganda.

[00:40:32]So the Zionist regime is facing a a battle that it cannot win. Jews, Christians, Muslims, Hindus, everyone from all walks of life, from all segments of uh different societies. They've turned against the regime. And so this was its last chance. It will continue to brutalize and murder and slaughter. The the genocide will go on, but uh the empire will fail.

[00:41:03]Not many people would have believed earlier that um Iran could spearhead uh the struggle to topple two great evil forces uh of uh not just our times but all times uh the American empire and the empire of neoliberalism uh and both will uh unravel uh together. Um, Professor Mandi, uh, this was, uh, great talking to you and, uh, thank you so much, uh, for your time. Stay safe.

[00:41:36]>> Thank you very much for having me. It was an honor.

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