"Trump Would've Fired Him" - Lutnick CHALLENGED On Epstein Lies In Closed Door Hearing

Added: 2026-05-23

[00:00:00]Lutnik Epstein. There was this moment they had together where they went and I'll read what James Comr said. James Comr hits Lutnik ahead of Epstein testimony saying he wasn't 100% truthful about the island visit. Is this it, Rob?

[00:00:11]>> Yes, sir.

[00:00:12]>> Go for it.

[00:00:12]>> Is Secretary uh Lutnik's credibility undermined here for having said publicly he cut ties in 2005 and the and Epstein files show that as recently as 2018 he was in email correspondence with Epstein? what I've seen.

[00:00:26]>> We're going to ask him all these questions and we'll let the American people judge whether the credibility was damaged or not. At at the end of the day, I haven't seen wrongdoing in the email correspondent, but he he wasn't uh 100% truthful with whether he or not he had been on the island. So, uh we'll see and we'll obviously release the transcripts and everyone can can see for themselves.

[00:00:53]>> Okay. So Rob, what did we learn from the sitdown that uh Lutnik had? Because we're hearing a lot of different things coming out. Hey, you know, it's not good. We have to do it now. We have to do with a recording on so we can do all that stuff. Is this is this Roano who was in a meeting as well?

[00:01:09]>> It is. This is post the meeting. So the meeting was not uh filmed, which is typical for uh according to James Comr whenever somebody volunteers to come into a meeting like this like Howard Lutnick did, they don't film those. Now, Democrats are saying that they want a film testimony from Lutnik because this one was not filmed.

[00:01:28]>> Let's see it.

[00:01:29]>> Now, we know why that interview was not videotaped. Uh if Donald Trump had seen the video transcript, he would have fired Howard Lutnik. Uh it was really embarrassing. He was asked very straightforward questions about whether he regretted misleading the American people. I mean, he said that he would never see uh Epstein again uh in 2005, and everyone knows that he took his wife and kids to see Epstein in 2012. And yet, it was just contortions and lies and no acknowledgement that he misled the American public. And if you saw the exchanges that my colleagues had with him, uh you would see uh he made a uh force of the English language. I mean, uh, he was trying to define I >> can pause it right there. Can pause it right there. Rob, what else do we know?

[00:02:25]What else do we know and what was said by people that came out?

[00:02:30]>> What What else do we know? What's been said about this? Because there was a lot of talks. Who's this one?

[00:02:35]>> Um, this is Yasmine. Uh, her name is Yasmine.

[00:02:39]>> I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

[00:02:40]>> I'm sorry. And >> she's from uh a Republican. I'm sorry.

[00:02:43]Democrat from uh the state of Arizona.

[00:02:45]She claims that uh after the yesterday's hearing, Howard Lutnik has proved himself to be a pathological liar.

[00:02:51]>> Let's see this.

[00:02:53]>> After what we have seen so far in this transcribed interview, I feel very comfortable saying that Howard Letic is a pathological liar who is enabling the most egregious cover up in American history. We have now gone through the timeline of events with him in in detail in excruciating detail from when they met in 2005. This is Howard Lutnik and his wife meeting Jeffrey Epstein.

[00:03:20]He described it himself in great detail on a podcast last year where he said that they went to his home, they took a tour, and allegedly were so uncomfortable after seeing the massage tables in Jeffrey Epste's home that Howard Lutnik went on on this podcast to tell the American people that he himself and and my colleagues referenced the the definitions he tried to uh change of of what he meant there, but he said that he would never socially or professionally be involved or be in a room with Jeffree Epstein again. Then in 2012, he took his family >> right. So Vinnie, what do you think's going on here? Where are you at?

[00:03:57]>> I'm just Well, for people that are if they could hear that, there's an airplane trying to take off behind us.

[00:04:02]>> Well, yesterday's was an FA. Who was yesterday? Was it yesterday? Blue Angels was here. Blue Angels. By the way, if you were here, it was the sickest view cuz you saw the takeoff, the sound, the buildings shaking. It was great.

[00:04:13]>> And yeah. And where are these planes going, Vinnie?

[00:04:15]>> Yeah. I don't >> What island?

[00:04:16]>> I don't.

[00:04:17]>> Huh? Go ahead. Hey, it's weird that we're talking about Epste and now all the noise is coming when we want to talk about Epste. Weird.

[00:04:24]>> I'll tell you what's going on. I think connect the dots, Tom.

[00:04:26]>> I think Key West is two weeks away from having a nuclear weapon. But the fact that Miami is defending itself, I think is completely in bounds. Go ahead. I think it I think it's a horrible horrible look and you know, lover or hater, whatever. Marjorie Taylor Green came out, I think two or three days ago, Pat, and she was saying the main reasons when she met with the president and this whole situation was happening. And she's like, "Mr. president, why won't you release it? This is her statements. She he said, uh, it's because, you know, he has people that he knows that are involved and that are on this list. And guess what? Case in point, Howard Lutnik, and this is a horrible look. You lied to the American people as if we weren't going to find out. Notice how you remember Lutnick was around the president. Every time you saw like a briefing or something in the White House, Howard Lutnik was right there.

[00:05:08]Notice how now he's not around and and you know, they're kind of, you know, keeping him out of the public's view.

[00:05:13]But it's like, listen, Pat, this this has been going on for multiple multiple presidencies. It's such a sad and disgusting thing. I believe that these people are going to be protected cuz there's different classes, Pat. There's us, there's millionaires, there's billionaires. That when you get up to that level of billionaire, Pat, it's a whole different situation. You're not in normal rooms with normal people. That's real money. It's real influence. It's very, very, very disturbing to me that it's who's on the in and who knows.

[00:05:40]Okay? Okay. And the only thing, and I want people at home, and I get it.

[00:05:43]Everybody gets frustrated. It used to drive me nuts when it comes to accountability. You know, that's one of my main things. It's everybody. No matter what you are, what party you're in, what affiliation, black, white, left, right, I don't care.

[00:05:56]Accountability. And for all the people that are stressing out, don't worry. If we don't get it here, nobody's hiding from God. Period. End of story. You could hide wherever you want. You could be the richest person in the world. You could be protected by the highest people on the planet. Nobody's gonna hide from him. That's the only solace I have, Tommy, is that's how I feel good at night because you're not gonna run at the end of the day. You're not gonna hide what God got you.

[00:06:17]>> Look, there's a couple things here and I look at it and it's like, is it surprising to me to see Roana and then uh Representative Ensari of uh the Dem the Democrat woman there from uh Arizona uh to come out and say, "Oh, the witness from the Republican side is a pathological liar." No, because that's what they do. They're not supposed to say what they said, but they can characterize it. And so they're at their media moment characterizing it. And it appears to be hinging on one thing.

[00:06:45]Howard Lutnick said 2005, "That is a terrible man. We all saw the quote. I would never see him again. He's disgusting. Get him away from me." And then in 2012, he's seen with a bunch of guys in in, you know, expensive Birkenstocks and casual shorts. Appear to be all congregating there in the island. He had his family there in 2012.

[00:07:05]So, it appears to be that they're pushing on one thing. Oh, you were there in 2012 after saying you were never there again. You saw I don't see anything else. They're all hanging it on that. What does come out here which is a little uncomfortable was um James Comr is known as being a tough interrogator and a very remember he used to be a guy that's kind of full of happiness and sunshine but behind this his kind of his folksy southern draw and then now he's become a little bit more focused and even he is saying I don't know about this Pat that was the part that bothered me it doesn't bother me Roana and I'm sorry they're supposed to say that But when comes out and goes, gosh, I don't know about this. That's >> I want to show a couple things.

[00:07:49]>> It doesn't that doesn't work well for you.

[00:07:51]>> Well, listen. This is how the game works.

[00:07:53]>> That's kind of my point.

[00:07:55]>> The way this game works is if you get up there and you make that kind of a claim to sell the word, how world how virtuous of a human being you are. There is nothing more annoying to the world than those who sell themselves as being flawless and virtuous and then story comes out and you're being held to these levels.

[00:08:22]See the the the the difference between when he went out there and like oh when I saw that and I said we will never Okay, great. All right, we believe you.

[00:08:32]And then it comes out and then now that happens. Okay, that's your, you know, your drop off on what happened. I was watching something yesterday with Trump debate where he says, "Hey, I did say that. You know, grab him by the, you know, I did say that. I'm not proud of it. That's not a proud moment of mine."

[00:08:48]And D. He needs to come out and say that. He needs to come out and say that.

[00:08:52]The president a couple times has said that. He said, "Yeah." So, he needs to say that so he can move on. the more you kind of get up there on the camera and you do your smile cuz that's probably how you've gotten away with a lot of things in your life cuz you're able to stay strong and smile and get through which that's your mechanism. Everybody gets cornered in types like places like this and people react to being cornered in a different way. Don't act like you haven't been cornered or anybody here hasn't been cornered. But I will say this to you Rocana uh if you if Roana is going to play this game, they're going to come after Roana next in a hardcore way. Let me read this to you, okay?

[00:09:27]He's a rising Democratic star, but a new audit suggests he's a fraud. So, what's the story? Go ahead, Rob. He first put himself on a map through teaming up with Thomas Massie on Epstein files. Since then, Connor became a Democratic phenom, but now it's an an ethics filing by Kevin Bass, accuses Connor of serious allegations ranging from insider training, hidden assets to corruption.

[00:09:50]Here's what it alleges. Keep going.

[00:09:51]Next. Uh uh uh Connor household has made three 37,238 stock trades during his time in Congress.

[00:09:58]>> Gez, wait.

[00:09:59]>> He has beaten the market by an estimated $28 million. 99.9% of these trades are listed under his wife or dependent children routed through a dozen family control trusts. Connor claims that trading is handled by an outsider broker without his knowledge. The complaint says his financial disclosure form proves otherwise. No blind trust, no separate manage account, no outside professional, just trust control by family members. Keep going to the next one. Rob, the complaint identifies four clusters of suspicious activity his household bought defense stocks, Boeing, Lockit, Rathon, and the days immediately after major defense bill passed, even as Connor voted against them. His So, you realize how crazy that is.

[00:10:35]>> So, he's like, "Oh my god, we shouldn't do this." Hey guys, go. So, they're alleging that he says, "Even though I'm against it, go buy it." His household traded pharmaceutical stocks within two weeks of confidential government drug pricing decisions his committee had access to. On at least nine separate dates his family bought Palunteer stocks the same day it received a federal defense contract. Go to the next one, Rob. These are the patterns. In conclusion, we've always known Connor was a savvy trader. Just last month, it was revealed that he beat the S&P 500 by 100%.

[00:11:05]But these new facts shed light on a different story. one in which Kana and his family have failed to disclose their economic plans using government information and shady networks to make millions. Kana has long campaigned on getting money out of politics. We're wondering if he's including himself. So you see stuff like this. If you're going to go play that card, you better be ready cuz they're going to come after you. And Roana can can also not get up there and act like he's all perfect and all this other stuff cuz you can tell Roana's got a little bit of aspirations of running for president. He's probably going to want to run in 2027, 2028. M I wouldn't be surprised if he's not on that stage.

[00:11:40]Chances on winning is going to be slim to none. And then at the same time, you made a comment about MTG. Did you see the moment yesterday the president had with MTG's boyfriend?

[00:11:48]>> No, >> you didn't see this. Rob, I send this to you. I don't know if you have this or not.

[00:11:51]>> They walked out.

[00:11:52]>> So, the president is making just making a joke. He's telling a joke, but look at what ends up happening right afterwards.

[00:11:58]Go ahead, Rob.

[00:11:59]>> Love his girlfriend too much. Okay.

[00:12:01]>> His girlfriend is MTG, >> but I like him and I've always liked him. It's great. It's great that he hasn't changed his circle, >> but Brian, I think here's the problem.

[00:12:12]>> I It's not even imaginable to me why >> and people are angry about it.

[00:12:19]>> Yeah. Good afternoon, Eric. It's a little bit of sad and it's a little bit of happy as well as this is been really the only >> That was the moment he quit his job. uh you know chasing the president in front of the camera a lot of times behind the camera and especially in the last uh seven eight years uh following uh President Trump being kind of the the MAGA mouthpiece if you will uh for the Trump America First agenda. Uh but this past Sunday uh sitting at home in Georgia I decided that it's time to and I'll use a MMA uh reference. It's time to leave the gloves in the ring and uh and walk away uh from what I really consider uh it's been a great uh career.

[00:13:05]It's been a great uh time with Real America's Voice. It's been fantastic working with you. Um I started this thing back in 198 right there. He steps out. That's what it that >> that's that's now listen of course when when when uh when you and I hear something like that and it's like well you know >> that's the reason why I'm stepping out but you have to you mentioned MTG so this just happened 24 an hour just a couple days ago spend more time with this >> that's what took him to quit not her and she just did this Pat on May 4th she said on stage Trump text me this is in regard to like he kept she kept going after the files Trump text me and said that if my son gets killed because of all the threats that she's getting, I deserve it because I was a traitor to him. You don't quit when that said and you're just around the president. That's what it took.

[00:13:55]>> She says Trump texted him that texted her that >> Trump she said m Major Taylor Green Trump text me basically if my son gets cuz she goes I'm getting death threats and all this stuff my family and he goes well you probably deserve it. He he bra >> do you believe that? No, no. I I don't Hell no. I don't believe that. But if that >> Why would she say Did she really say that's that can't be that can't be a comment she made >> to Rob right now? Why >> it's a threeminute clip? Rob, can I can I see a shorter version of this >> cuz she goes into it Pat about Let me see if I sent you one Rob that's going to be short.

[00:14:24]>> I mean, if that's what was said, I don't believe that. But but but but my thing is this that if that's what it's taken you play this well >> all these people I got no response from Susie Wilds >> about the death threat >> she's a mother and a grandmother and a woman. I got no response from James Blair because he only cares about making money on campaigns.

[00:14:48]I did hear from Cash Patel. He said on it but I haven't heard from him since.

[00:14:54]I don't know what he's on.

[00:15:00]Okay. So, she's having fun.

[00:15:01]>> Yeah. Yeah. But I think these are about the death threats to her family and her children.

[00:15:06]>> JD Vance was very nice to me, compassionate, and kind, and reassured me that he would do everything we could to find out what's going on.

[00:15:14]>> Get to the part about >> And then I heard back from Donald Trump, and I've saved these text messages. I'd probably get put in jail if I released him publicly, but I saved him.

[00:15:24]Where Donald Trump proceeded to tell me that it was my fault and that I deserve it. If my son gets killed, I deserve it because I was a traitor. So yeah, but because our president of the United States >> if that's your boyfriend, if you have a boyfriend, he's around the president all the time and he's saying, how does that not make you want to >> first of all whenever I don't care who is my enemy, my ally, anybody, if somebody's getting death threats, you you you that's that's not a >> that's not a that's something you do not mess around with. I don't know MTG. I don't have a relationship with her. I I wouldn't want anybody to experience what it experiences with kids >> at all whatsoever. So we, you know, I got a weird email yesterday. I showed a couple of you guys. We have security that's looking into it. I'm not going to talk about what the email was, >> but nobody should be going through stuff like that. So our our prayers are that she and her son and everybody's going to be okay.

[00:16:18]>> But uh going back to what the comments that was said with >> you know, all that stuff. I mean, look, you know, um I don't know. I I don't know. To me, to me, this there's a there's a Republican faction that thinks that Trump and all this other stuff. Do I think Trump would be the kind of guy that protects his guys? Do I think he is that kind of a guy? Yeah, I do think he's that kind of a guy. Do I think he thinks he knows a couple of his guys are a part of it and he's like, yes. Do I think it's a lot more on the other side than on this side? Of course I do. Do I think the Democrats and James Comey and all these guys that had all this stuff on Epstein for decades, they could have used it against Trump on 1620 and they never did. Of course, I do believe that.

[00:16:57]So, you know, they know if Trump was a part of it or not. So if they didn't use it in 16 or 20 now you want to come out and say so yeah I don't know but Lutnik screwed up. That's a that's a major major L for Lutnik.

[00:17:09]>> I I think the common theme here is the whole uh if you live in a glass house don't throw rocks stones.

[00:17:16]>> Yeah >> because I mean the what what we're seeing is that I would never >> I would never do something like that.

[00:17:21]Whoever it may be.

[00:17:22]>> Yeah.

[00:17:23]>> And like you brought up the the Trump thing where he said grab him by the whatever. He's like yeah I said it >> straight up. Like at the end of the day, what I think people appreciate more than anything, and this why people are turning to streamers and YouTubers and and these types of people is like just keep it real, bro. The the a lot of this old-fashioned line of thinking is preocial media, pre- internet. The internet is forever. I mean, look, look at Tucker. I won't use an example, buddy. I I never said that, buddy. Roll the tape. Two weeks ago, you said that.

[00:17:51]Yeah.

[00:17:51]>> How many times we whole different story.

[00:17:53]But what what I'm saying is just own who you are. Like, you know why I respect mom Donnie? He says, "I'm a democratic socialist. I sympathize with Hamas. I want to tax the rich. This is who I am.

[00:18:05]Take it or leave it." And you know what New Yorkers did? They said, "We'll take it." So what you're talking about like this whole thing with Roana.

[00:18:12]>> Oh, you know, I I I we're going to go after this guys accusing me of all this stuff. You're in the same district of Pelosi.

[00:18:18]>> Just be careful. in the same district of Pelosi and somehow you've accumulated this massive wealth and you're making these stock trades right before these defense contracts go through. So that's like me saying, "Yeah, guys, I'm running for office. I would never go to a nightclub. Oh, I've never been out in South Beach and party." I would never.

[00:18:35]It's like, "Buddy, we have so many videos of you out there." It's just own who you are and your vibe will attract your tribe and if you're going to get caught lying, that's going to happen in the end because you pretend to be someone you're not.

[00:18:47]>> I appreciate you saying that, bro. I've got something not to contradict you, but support what you're saying. Words, talk, numbers, scream. And what they reported, if the allegation is true, that was reported that there were 37,238 trades made by Roana. He's been in Congress for 3,412 days. Of that, 2400 of those days, our market is open. The market's open 7 hours. If you divide that out, 2.2 trades have been made per hour for every hour that the market has been open during Roana being in office.

[00:19:15]Don't act like you're freaking, you know, this holier than that. If the numbers that came out, the elevators are correct, Pat, that's what it comes out.

[00:19:22]Three trades an hour for every hour the market's been open while you have been in Congress for 3,400 days.

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