The NAACP launched the 'Out of Bounds' campaign on May 19, 2026, calling for black athletes, families, fans, and consumers to withhold athletic and financial support from public universities in states that have moved to limit, weaken, or erase black voting representation following the Supreme Court's Louisiana versus Clay decision. The campaign targets eight priority states (Tennessee, Louisiana, Alabama, Florida, Mississippi, South Carolina, Texas, and Georgia) and aims to pressure these institutions to support voting rights. However, a strategic debate emerged about whether young college athletes from poverty backgrounds should bear the burden of leading this boycott, with critics arguing that professional athletes and established leaders should take responsibility instead. The discussion also highlighted that in 2026, no NFL players were recruited from HBCUs, raising questions about the feasibility of the boycott strategy.
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Looking forward to seeing many of you at our celebration, and I will provide more information with that in the not too distant future. Today, we are going to have our conversation with AIA. But just before I introduce it, I want to introduce the subject matter. On May 19th, 2026, the NAACP issued the following release.
The NAACP today launched the Out of Bounds campaign, a national call for black athletes, families, fans, alumni, and consumers to withhold athletic and financial support from public universities in states that have moved to limit, weaken, or erase black voting representation in the wake of the Supreme Court's 63 ruling in Louisiana versus Cala, which gutted what was left of the Voting Rights Act of 1965. The NAACP identified eight priority states, Tennessee, Louisiana, Alabama, Florida, Mississippi, South Carolina, Texas, and Georgia, and targeted flagship than 100 million in annual revenue that continue to recruit black athletes while their state governments dismantle the political power of black communities. What these states have done is not a policy disagreement. It is the sprint to erase black political power, said Derek Johnson, president and CEO of the NAACP.
These action happened in days, in some cases hours of a Supreme Court ruling that gives extremist lawmakers a playbook to erode black representation.
The NAACP, which will watch the same institutions that depend on black athletes prowess to fill their stadiums and their bank accounts remain silent while their states strip black communities of their voice. Out of bounds is our answer. We are naming the contradiction. We are calling on black athletes, families, fans, and consumers to act on it. The same power that built these programs can be redirected, and it will be. I'm Jesse Jackson Jr. We're going to talk about the NAACP peace call for a boycott of athletic programs in the South, particularly those states that have shown an immediate reaction to the Louisiana versus Clay decision. Our conversation on Thursday, thoughtprovoking Thursday, is with Aiba, former deputy executive director for the National Black Caucus of State Legislators. He's a strategic alliance consultant and president of Party Politics US. And I might add, just factually, Black Voters Matter recently released a report that says we could lose more than a third of AfricanAmerican congressmen as a result of Louisiana versus Clay and 191 state representatives and state senators. Again, is the former deputy executive director for the National Black Caucus of State Legislators.
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Jesse, it's great to be with you, >> brother. Um, share with me what your thoughts are on the NAACP's call for the boycotting of these athletic programs and institutions. I hope we can mix it up a little bit today. I think we're going to find more agreement and common ground uh than we have on other issues. And that's quite all right. We welcome that dialogue right here on KBLA Talk 1580. Atiba, your initial thoughts. My initial thought is that it was a rush and I'm just questioning the strategy um of asking young athletes who have been working so hard to get into an institution of higher learning to use their athletic ability to tap into what we're calling NIL funds to a whole number of things. Um and asking them to bear the brunt of responsibility of leading a boycott. Um, I guess you know the I understand the sentiment and I definitely understand the need, but I think that the question I have like a a how, what, where, when, and who question. And the first question is how do we get here? there. And I've been asking this question for the last couple of weeks here, Jesse, because we, my generation, the generation perhaps before me, bear the brunt of a great deal of responsibility in all of this because not you, not me, maybe not those listening, but there are too many out there who bear the brunt of responsibility for taking their vote for granted. And now, so something that has been kicked down the road, now we're asking these young athletes to be the leader or to be out of the forefront of this boycott. And I disagree with that.
>> You know, I um I share your concern. I'm going to be very candid about it and I hope we have an honest conversation, which we always do uh right here at KBLA Talk 1580. These are students particularly in the states that have been outlined by the NAACP.
Many of whom come from extreme poverty where their parents from the eighth grade, the seventh grade all the way through high school have watched and helped develop their children one for their own futures but the opportunity to leave poverty.
meaning in many cases they will be the first African-Americans as I was the second African-American to ever graduate from college in the name of Jesse Jackson in the history of my family's legacy. Many of us are the first generation to ever go to college and then to turn around and tell those who have this unique opportunity to go to college that they should sacrifice. What about the NFL teams? What about the National Baseball League teams? What about the professionals who've made it?
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>> and you're listening to the Jesse Jackson Jr. show on KBLA Talk 1580. It is thoughtprovoking Thursdays and my very special regular contributor is none other than Aiva. Atiba, welcome forward to the show.
>> Jesse, always great to be with you.
>> Atiba, can I offer a disclaimer? Mhm.
>> Anyone within the sound of my voice who would say that I do not understand the implications of Louisiana versus Klay is just a liar.
For more than a year, this radio station and this program in particular has put an enormous amount of focus on the consequences and ramifications of our not voting. and Louisiana versus Klay, a Supreme Court decision that would gut the Voting Rights Act of 1965. I was born March 11th, 1965. My dad was not at my birth.
He was in Selma, Alabama. He called my mother in Greenville, South Carolina. I had just been born. He wanted to name me Selma.
And my mother insisted that I be named Jesse Jackson Jr. she wasn't having none of that in my life or in her home. But there's not a single birthday in 61 years where my father hasn't called me or held me and said, "I wanted to name you Selma." These are lasting memories. And as many times as I've commemorated the march across the Edund Pettis Bridge, celebrating my father, my birthday with my father, and other members of my family, anyone who says that I don't understand the Voting Rights Act or Louisiana versus Clay is simply not paying attention. That's just not true. That's not what we are discussing.
We are discussing a decision made by initially the NAACP, but supported by other organizations. And I'm looking right now at the Atlantic magazine where Jamal Hill has now written a piece uh that is going viral called Hit Them Where It Hurts, meaning collegiate athletic programs. Uh and all we are doing is raising questions as to whether or not singling out 17 year olds entering college, many of whom coming from extremely poor backgrounds and their parents and asking them to carry the burden of this hour and ignore the professional athletes who are playing football and basketball and baseball in the South who happen to be black, who've at one level or another quote unquote already made it. and the reality that in 2026, not a single NFL player was recruited from a historically black college or university, not one.
And to expect that somehow there are slots available or space available in H.B.CU athletic programs. many of these scholarships are already taken and provided for for the existing teams and franchises that somehow we can double the size of a football team or triple the size of a basketball team is just not realistic and that raises a lot of questions.
>> Yeah, I'm going to say something and give me a just give me a second and try and bring this all together.
First off, you mentioned where you were born. I'm going to tell you how I was born. I was born March 5th, 1972. Seven years from the march on Selma, I was born to a man and a woman who will be celebrating their 55th wedding anniversary tomorrow.
A man and a woman who were fed up with America.
So fed up with America that they joined the Nation of Islam.
And in joining the Nation of Islam, it was under the premise and under the the belief that we were going to do for self. And that's how I came up. I came up with this idea that you don't go and ask someone for something that you can go and do for yourself.
So when I'm saying what I'm saying right now and I'm very passionate about it, I'm not saying that these young athletes should not be called upon at some point.
I'm saying don't put them on the front line.
>> And by putting them on the front line, you are in my opinion diminishing what is the power of our ability.
So I say to the NAACP, well, what about the funders and folks that sponsor you? Are we going to boycott them, too? Let's be very strategic in terms of what we're calling on and be willing to say, what are we willing to do first ourselves before we go and ask a 17 and a 18year-old child to give up their opportunity to get out of poverty? The men and women who walked across that bridge in Selma, they walked because they had the courage to step forward and be on the front lines. Where is our courage to do that?
We're doing everything now through social media. When they did the McGomery bus boycott, they were meeting in churches. They were meeting in quiet.
They were meeting. They weren't doing this on social media. We get out here and we want to get the most likes, the most shares, the most this. What I saw yesterday for me bothered me because I believe that we have to build a foundation to get to where we want to go. And that by putting these young people on the front line and taking them out of these schools actually could accelerate a plan that I'll just say the other side wants. They want to pull us out of those schools.
So, so, so, so just think about what is it that we're going to get? What is the demand is my next question.
>> What is the demand >> and then how will we get there and how will we know that we got there? Because based on what they're doing right now, they feel they have the power. So, they're not going to overturn and change the um voting rights act before this November election. But what we can do is if you look at what happened in Hungary is we can go out and we can vote in numbers too large to manipulate the outcome and send a signal that not only are we here but we're not just here to say, "Oh, this is about black America."
I'm sorry. I'm taking off the black part. I am American and I have an American responsibility to step forward and to speak up for those young people.
I have a responsibility to step forward for the men and women who were slaves who didn't say I want to be a free black man. I want to be a free black woman.
They said I want to be a free human being.
And that's the part that I keep coming back of this and and and want to talk about because we keep trying to carve something. That's why I started talking about the Nation of Islam. The Nation of Islam carved out something and they did with only black dollars. the only organization in America that's ever done that successfully and yet they still got torn apart later. And I just want us to be really thinking about strategically what is it that we are demanding and what is it that we're willing to agitate for? Not just to be able to say that we boycotted something. What is the demand and how are we going to get there?
>> Let me be clear. I'm not prepared to take off this black thing. I got to keep my my black coat, my credos, my streets with me. But I do want to make this point. We just completed after decades from Brown versus the Board of Education to the present a major civil rights struggle for names, images, and likeness. It's called nil for our athletes for whom many of these programs have been built upon to be able to use their names, their images, and their likenesses be compensated as freshman, sophomore, juniors, and seniors.
Because these programs have been built and are being built on the back of our athletes. No doubt about it. the cornerbacks, the free safeties, the wide receivers, the linemen built these programs on the back of southern students and some recruits in the north where in the SEC and in these big big big college programs, African-Americans on the basketball court, on the baseball field, have shouldered the burden in ways that golf didn't on these campuses that tennis didn't on these campuses. And we won major civil rights battles for names, images, and likenesses so these students can be paid and compensated for the burden that they were carrying for these institutions.
We've also insisted that they graduate, that they take their coursework serious.
another civil rights battle. Not just basket weaving, but real courses that teach them how to save their money, how to invest their money, how to lead productive lives after the game is over.
But the idea that these students should become civil rights activists while all of us after they're athletes, we're after look at their lives and say, "Listen, give up the prime years of your life and then expect some of the most difficult owners of NFL programs who after they've heard or seen you take that stand, turn around and boycott the very athletes that did not participate in the division one programs. And don't forget, we're talking division one, division two, division three. We're talking about across the entire board and the entire spectrum. All I'm asking, and don't say that I'm not for black political empowerment. I ran for Congress and lost arguing and sharing with my constituents and the country how important Louisiana versus Klay was. So you are telling a lie if you say I don't understand black political empowerment.
That's not what Aiba and I are discussing.
We are discussing specifically why 17 and 18 year olds are being asked to sh shoulder the burden when the burden can be shouldered by some after elites who are now corporate executives who are on ESPN who are talking all this talk. All they got to do is say I don't want to be on ESPN no more until y'all give us back our seats in Congress. They already made millions. They can be in any they can keep selling gym shoes. All that they've done. You don't want to sell gym shoes no more, then give up your Nike contract and your Adidas contract. They can do it cuz they can afford to do it. But to ask this kid coming out of poverty to go to these universities without the benefits that they have earned from the civil rights that we helped create is deeply problematic to me, that that's about where I'm coming down on this.
Yeah, I I I agree with you 100%. You know, and there are going to be some who are going to argue and say, "Oh, he doesn't want to be black." I carry around a name that is African every single day.
AIBA means understanding. It is a Nigerian eur Euroba tribe uh chief's name. My middle name is Okong. It means understanding. What I am here and what I'm wanting to do is not just talk about this. I want to talk about how we're going to strategize and how we're going to figure out how to figure this out.
And figuring it out doesn't mean that it won't come without having to take our dollars out, but let's be strategic in terms of where we agitate and how we do it. Let's let's not just, as you said, watch these after tell the current athletes to do what they can do. And I'm just, you know, I'm I guess, you know, as Fanny Lou HR said, I'm sick and tired of sick and tired. I'm sick and tired of us keep telling us telling us telling people that they're taking away our civil rights when the reality is that they've taken away our humanity.
>> And the way they've been able to do that is to be a is because we keep letting them do that. I know what's next. I think you know what's next. You know, anyone who goes to one of these schools and plays football or basketball, we get to shout in the audience, I'm not going to watch him. I'm not going to watch her at 17 years old because they didn't follow what the organizations said do.
No, no, that's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying they can play football, they can play basketball, and they can still have a press conference and say we identify with the struggle of our people and we do not like what's taking place in our state with respect to minority representation. Ain't no coach going to make them not say that. Hold that press conference. They can still join the no kings march. They can still march on from Selma to Montgomery. They can still come and participate. They can still vote on the campus and encourage voter registration on the campus because what midterms >> effing matter.
>> Yeah, finish that for me. Eing matter.
>> Matter. They matter. And so my father was a college athlete at the University of Illinois. He went to North Carolina ENT State University where he became student government president. He was in a leadership role in large measure on these campuses because he was a quarterback. He was admired by other students and he led them what? To civil rights, but he also played the game. He also had a scholarship. I wish he had name, image, and likeness at that hour because he should have been paid for the work that he did. I'm Jesse Jackson Jr.
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The black athlete plays an important role in our civil rights struggle. We just can't immediately dismiss them and the opportunity to talk about segregation because I'm telling you just as sure as I'm sitting here, Brown versus the Board of Education, which is responsible for the desegregation of those state schools, is on the docket in this Supreme Court.
>> Yeah, it's on the docket. And I'm going to push back and just say we want the same thing, but I also want to make sure that we bring as many people forward as because there's so many people that are being left behind. Being left behind because we're talking about Brown versus Board of Education, but we're not talking enough about how many of our young people are not taking their education seriously. And a lot of it is because they are fighting or their parents are trying to figure out how to feed them, how to keep a roof over their head. We have an economic crisis that is going on in America and it's not just one that is affecting black people or brown people. It's affecting all people.
Um but one of the things I sent you um uh yesterday um Jesse was a report from Black Men Vote. They released a new poll on Wednesday revealing an engagement gap among young black men in key states ahead of the 2026 midterms. And hit Strategies, a Washington-based research firm, found in a multi-state survey that while most black male voters recognize the importance of voting, many remain undecided about participating in this year's elections.
That scares me. M I'm you know I we have this this campaign about midterms effing matter and we want to do and engage and get as many people out to vote as we possibly can but we've got to figure out not just how we're going to message.
We've got to figure out what is the message that they need to hear from us.
We've got to go to them. We've got to talk to them. We've got to figure out why is it that they feel disengaged? Why do they feel that it that that it's okay not to vote? Because when I ask the question, how did we get here? It's because we keep expecting each of us to go and vote and each of us are not. And each of us, whether or not we are having these conversations at our dinner tables or we're having them on our phones, we can't just say you have to go vote. We have to figure out what is it going to take to motivate them to go vote. And so when we're talking about athletes in the south, and let's be clear, we know that there are women athletes, but we know that it's the male athletes that that are that are are the ones who get this NI most of this NIL money, and they're the ones that people are trying to target, but this is a very demographic that they're talking about in this report that may not vote. So, we're asking them to boycott, but we're not trying to figure out how we're going to help them to be part of this process and make sure that they vote with us.
>> Yeah, that's not an easy that's not an easy question. Let me share with you something that I just experienced in the city of Chicago. I was leading a voter registration drive for my own campaign and I was encouraging other elected officials to help me register voters in their respective jurisdictions. I was going to do it anyway, and I did do it anyway. But the African-American elected officials were very clear to me. Jesse, be careful registering people to vote in my area.
All my voters are ready to come out for me.
And I said, well, yeah, but we need voters to come out for everybody, not just you. He said, "Well, no, I don't want to upset the balance in my jurisdiction because voters who turn out for me, even if no one else shows up, these voters turn out for me, and they're key to my staying in as mayor or in as city councilman or in as trustee."
And so they're in a game now unlike the game of registering all African-Americans that is the large product of the 1960 voting rights act 65 voting rights act or Jesse Jackson who would travel to districts all across the country to help Jim Klyurn in ' 92 to help Benny Thompson in Mississippi to help Harold Ford Jr. in the state of Tennessee at the time and senior to help Cleo Fields in Louisiana. Um, these are African-Americans that Jesse Jackson in large measure in his campaign because he's from the south side of Chicago registered black people to vote because he didn't care. He wanted black people to turn out. But increasingly, and the Democratic party has a problem with voter registration, locals don't want massive turnout because they can't control the vote that benefits them specifically. it it's a selfless process for getting people to vote. Now, assuming all African-American men vote, it's still not enough to win 270 electoral votes. And increasingly, I'm hearing Democrats, retreat from the South. Now, we're telling black athletes, young black athletes, don't play at southern schools. That's a retreat.
Jesse Jackson helped advance the South Carolina primary as the first Democratic primary after Iowa and New Hampshire in the political process. Now Illinois wants to be the first state and they're lobbying the Democratic National Committee to move them up ahead of South Carolina in the process. They also want the Democratic Convention in Chicago.
Again, it's a nice way of saying that the liberal Democrats of Chicago want to pick a president. They want to be first so they can tell the rest of the country, "We got a liberal Democratic nominee out of Chicago." Like that's going to play well in red America. like that's going to play well in the South or in the West when they shouldn't tamper with the Democratic primary election process at all because we need South Carolina to send a signal to black voters just as Jim Klyurn sent a signal to black voters in the South with the endorsement of Barack Obama, with the endorsement of Hillary Clinton, with the endorsement of Joe Biden and with the endorsement of Kla Harris. We need that signal in the South for people who do vote. In addition for people like me who spend my time registering black people to vote and inspiring them to vote. I hope the negro that I meet in the barberh shop votes. But I only got so much time of my day to convince him. If I can find two or three other people in the same vicinity who will vote, I'll go get them. Even while he's sitting around philosophizing about what it means to lose the right to vote, to lose reconstruction, and what somebody ain't done for him lately. I deal with these negroes all the time. Man, I'm telling you, man. I'm not just on the radio. I'm dealing with them.
>> And and the thing is that Jesse, for me, it's like one, I would like to see everybody get registered to vote. You're not going to hear me tell you who I think you should vote for. That is your choice. What you will hear me say is register to vote. Keep checking to make sure that your registration is intact and so that you can vote. Make sure you have your voter IDs and check the rules and check and see where they where you have to go vote. All these things keep stay in the game.
But more most importantly, vote, vote, vote.
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>> Happy to be here. Jesse, how can we support your work? How can we get these t-shirts and tell us about saving grace?
>> Sure. Thank you. Um, so first off, this election, 2026 midterm election is so important. If you don't believe me, look at 2018 when women mobilized after the 2016 election and elected more women to Congress than in any other point in the history of this country in 2018. I say this because 2026 is an important midterm election year. You can go to midterms effing matter.com.
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You can check your registration. You can see where it is that you have to go vote. You can see check and see what's on your ballot. You can do a whole number of things. And you can also get one of the shirts so you can wear the message across your chest. Midterms effing matter because they really really really really matter. Every election matters. As John Lewis wrote and he uh wrote in my his his autobiography to me, he said, "With faith and hope, keep your eyes on the prize." And for me, the prize is November the 3rd, 2026. there are primaries that are going on in your states. You can check on your website on on our website also to see when um the primaries are are happening in your state. Um whatever you do, whatever site it is you go to, just make sure you stay engaged and as we're talking about athletes, this >> midterms going on in Los Angeles, California right now.
>> Jesse, you're Jesse, I'm going tell people you're the coach. You've been coaching us about this decision for a long time about what it could happen.
So, California, your primary is coming up. I'm telling you, ask Jesse, ask your people, whatever. Just ask to be put in the game. And the only way you can be in the game is if you vote. And we have this election in numbers that are too large to manipulate the outcome.
>> I I understand that the early voting process in California has started. And so, that's good news. Those of you who can hear our voice voices, if you have no idea where you're going to be on election day, then you should get a election ballot. You should mail in your ballot. You should find out how you can vote at your local deputy registar or local clerk's office. Find out what that process is. Pay attention. You don't need to stand in long lines. You can get your vote cast and get it cast now and get it cast early so that you can own your part of this American experiment and this pie. Let me uh pivot for a second to the um $1.8 8 billion fund that Donald Trump uh has been able to negotiate between the Treasury and the uh Department of Justice, a kind of reparations fund. Some newspaper articles have called it a white grievance fund. What What are your thoughts about that? It seems to me that um that presidents now have an unusual power for people who have grievances to actually be able to write them a check.
>> You know what? This is going to tick off some people, but I'm going to say I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm applauding because we are seeing the power of what the president can do if the president sets his mind or her mind to it. And I'm saying it from this standpoint. We've had so many presidents who have come in and said they couldn't do something. And yet we're seeing it happen right before our eyes. And what's actually interesting is that according to the Hill, Republicans punt on reconciliation amid furious disagreement over anti-weaponization fund. So there's some infighting going on on their side as a relates to this. But just like I just said, keep your eyes on the prize. You know, Jesse, my eyes are focused on what it is that I can do because there's too many things that are keep happening to us and I just keep feeling like we have to stay focused on what we can do and keep our eyes on that prize.
>> I agree with that. Before we get to your word of hope though, I do want to ask this question. Um, you're applauding Trump because he is showing you, and I respect that, what the presidency can do. Now, what if I laid down the gauntlet and said that, you know, I want to hear a Democratic president run saying they're going to write us a check. Now, I I I'd like to I mean, I want to build support around the Democratic candidate or whatever who's prepared to do exactly what Donald Trump is doing or you're going to come back and say, "No, no, no, no, no. What he had the power to do, I don't have the power to do." Like, I'm stupid.
>> Like, people who are listening to us are crazy. Like we are not witnessing with our own eyes exactly what we're seeing.
>> We got the receipts. We got the receipts. Are we We get the receipts.
We're just get the receipts, Jesse.
That's all I'm saying. It's >> okay for us to turn our expectations right to the Democrats and ask them, are you prepared to do for us what he's doing for his crowd? That's not >> I'm I'm I'm not even going to go to the Democrats. I'm going to say what we can do. This is the power of the people. I think this this is the most amazing time for us right now, Jesse, to go back and understand the history of this country, to understand the Thomas Jeffersons, to see what he wrote on his tombstone about religious freedom. All these things that happened 250 years ago, it's not an accident that is happening right now in the 250th anniversary of this country.
America is not defined by a name.
America is defined by its citizens. And if we don't take responsibility as citizens and we continue to just let this happen and complain and complain and complain but don't do and do and do because the framers of that constitution, the founders of this country, the women who advised, the women who told their husbands what they should do, even though they don't get the credit for it, they are the ones that built this country. We right now, this is our call. We the people.
>> I respect that.
>> For the people, by the people, of the people.
>> I I'm going to give you this word of hope right now because we are closing in on the top of the hour. But let me be crystal clear so that no one's confused about what I'm saying. I want Gavin Newsome to promise me when he becomes president, he's going to write me a check. And I know there are a lot of people in Crrenshaw and South Central who feel exactly the way I feel on this question. I want JB Pritsker to tell me, well, you know, when are we going to get our check, our repair for damage done for grievances, for the concerns that we keep raising for people who are being shot down in the streets and not being compensated for these underfunded schools, for our opportunities at healthcare and housing and education and and and I'd rather it not come quite frankly in the form of a personal check to me. improve the schools, build more hospitals, provide more doctors, build better sidewalks and roads in my community, provide more safety. Yeah, I'm all for what we can do for ourselves. I ain't got no problem with self-help. I'm talking about what government of, for, and by the people is supposed to do on the 250th anniversary, not of its citizens, but of its idea.
>> And part of that, Jesse, is staying engaged. Yeah, >> we don't we cannot just vote and then we can't just like go home and wipe our hands and say, "Oh, I'm done. I voted."
No, we have to stay engaged. We have to keep pressing their foot to the fire. We have to hold them accountable and then when they don't do it, we can't just say, "Oh, I'm going to vote for them because they're popular, because I like them, because they're a Democrat." You got to find who is a person that's going to go and do what you need them to do.
That's what staying engaged in this process is. You cannot just say, "Oh, I voted for them and I hope they do the right thing." You have to vote for them and you have to demand that they do the right thing. That's why they marched on 63. That's why they they marched in ' 65. That's why all these things what have that have happened that that we think that just happened just by some goodnatured heart. No, it happened because they were forced to do it.
>> Thank you. I'm going to give you two minutes for your word of hope, but I just want to add Steuart 2004. It is the government's job to provide for its people and a government that doesn't provide for its people is not a government at all. Latiba, a word of hope.
>> Well, you know, I like this saying that politicians should be changed like diapers, you know, often and frequently, you know. I mean, the thing is that we we we keep we keep revisiting the same things.
My hope is that in my lifetime that we're not just talking about civil, we're talking about human. We want to fight against racism, fascism, feminism, sexism, all these isms. We have to get back to the core of our humanity, of who we are as human beings and see each other as human beings. I think we have to get back to the being cordial to one another whether or not we agree or not.
We can agree to disagree. But what we have to do or can do I don't I don't want to use the word have to. What we can do and what I'm hopeful that we do is that we find in each other our humanity and our commonality within our humanity. I have faith that God has us going through this for a reason and that out of this something beautiful is going to come from it. But in order for it to come, we have to feel this pressure. And it hurts, but it we something beautiful is going to come from it. But we got to do the work.
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>> I'm Jesse Jackson Jr. Welcome forward to the Jesse Jackson Jr. Show. We are now in the Worldhouse with Johnny Mack on Thought-Provoking Thursdays. Dr. Mack is a social entrepreneur, a scholar practitioner with an expertise in subject areas of peace, conflict, social change, and movements. His research includes extensive study of Martin Luther King Jr's logic of nonviolence and the US civil rights movement. He explicates Dr. King's logic of non-violence using Dr. King's call to restructure the social edifice and particularly its triple evils of poverty, racism, and militarism with a revolution of values that is affected through peaceable power. Johnny, welcome forward to the Jesse Jackson Jr. show and the world.
>> Johnny, how are you?
>> I'm doing well, Jesse. How are you?
Great to be here.
>> It's always a pleasure, Johnny. We're in the world house. And so there's some places in the world that in this hour we need to travel. And uh maybe in a later segment I I want to raise this question on the question of Dr. King whether or not today's marches and protests are effective. Let's save that for the end of the show. Uh Johnny, um the president of the United States is saber rattling in Cuba. Uh he has now indicted the former president of Cuba, Raul Castro.
African-Americans have a long history of working with Cuban leadership uh including the late Fidel Castro on the liberation struggles not only in subsaharan Africa. In fact, one could argue there would be no free Mandela but for the support that Cuba provided to the people of Angola and Namibia and in these countries with um Samora Michelle and others uh in the struggle for their freedom and revolution against against colonialism. Can you help our leaders with how significant it is for the US to intervene into the affairs of Cuba, the ways in which it has at this hour?
>> Well, it it's obviously very significant, Jesse. As you've indicated, Cuba has a very significant um Afro uh population um or population um of African descent.
um some 10 to 55% uh depending upon how we define um African descent um including uh Miss Diesel or Melatto uh individuals um who have African blood uh particularly if we follow Jesse that one drop rule >> point is it's not just Cuba it is a pan paniply of of countries throughout the Caribbean and South America whether it's Brazil, Colombia, Guyana, all of these countries um uh in the Caribbean remember we have Haiti and um what happened in Venezuela um but these these countries uh represent significant resources um whether they are minerals or populations or strategic positions.
And the goal of this administration um is to control uh completely wholly uh the entire western hemisphere. This is part of the restructuring and reordering of the global structure. And that's really what's happening here. Jesse, >> I think that's I think no truer words have been spoken. I mean, at the same time that the US is making this, if you will, empire-based move across the Caribbean and uh South America, you know, we're reflected of we're reflective of the great revolutionaries like Fidel Castro and uh Sheava and um you know, Aristed when he was a revolutionary and some of the fighters uh that have lost their lives in in the struggle against colonialism and In one fail swoop, an American election, towards our previous guest's point, midterms effing matter, an American election with the wrong person at the helm can literally begin begin a neoc colonialist process >> uh that is presently underway in in the western western hemisphere. Johnny, we have about three minutes before we come forward. Um, American expansionism, however, uh, is also coupled with Donald Trump's for American isolationism >> that is making all American things great or MAGA, if you will, uh, locking our borders, uh, while insisting at the same time for, you know, access to these critical minerals, critical reserves. Uh but it's not clear that people of color in the Caribbean or people of color in South America are going to be the beneficiaries of the very minerals that are underneath their feet at this at this juncture. And it seems to me that at some point in time when America can no longer sustain its empire, we're looking at a series of constant revolutions that will be taking place quite possibly for many decades to come.
Johnny, you know, you mentioned American expansionism versus isolationism.
Um, I want to push back just slightly on that. Um, clearly the current administration has talked a great deal about American isolationism, uh, America first in that regard. I'm not so sure that the expansionism is so much about America as it is about certain Americans.
that the expansion does not include as many other um things do not include certain groups and populations uh in this country as they are marginalized in so many different ways. So I'm not so sure that it's correct to characterize the expansion as a expansion of all of America, but only I would argue uh certain uh elements of and groups in um these United States of America.
>> I think that's accurate. I think that uh I may have overstated the case. Uh, when I say expansionism, I'm thinking when Trump offers the people of Greenland an opportunity to be a state with two senators and he has not made the offer yet, but should there be an American intervention into Cuba, there is talk in certain circles about the possibility of Cuba becoming the 51st state uh uh of the United States. It's just on and on and on. I'm Jesse Jackson Jr. You're listening to the Jesse Jackson Jr. Show on KBALA Talk 1580. We are talking about the expansion of the American empire.
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The Jessie Jackson show and I'm Jesse Jackson Jr. We're in the world house with Dr. Johnny Mack on thoughtprovoking Thursday. Dr. Mac's siminal work after confrontation then what challenges the puditive logic of nonviolent social change theory and practice. Particularly he rearticulates nonviolence beyond the traditional understanding of nonviolent struggle as principally nonviolent resistance. Dr. Mack, welcome forward to the Jesse Jackson Jr. show and your show the world.
>> Great to be here.
>> Uh Dr. Mack, um let me ask you this question. Um if I can pivot for a moment to what seems to be Trump's failed talks in Iran?
In your opinion that NATO might possibly force the reopening of the Hormos Strait because of the world economy and what its consequences and ramifications could be for the poor in Africa, in South America, in Cuba, a country that is struggling without something as basic as the energy needs to have lights on at night, laying the foundation for the kind of of corruption that only Donald Trump can bring to the people of Cuba at this hour.
If I understand your question uh Jesse correctly, it is a question of priority.
That is will NATO be more concerned about uh what is happening uh in the strait than what is happening um in the Caribbean and particularly relative to Cuba. Have I understood your question correctly?
>> Yes sir, you do.
>> Well, indeed. You know, Jesse, I I think you you are right or at least implied in your question, there'll be a u there is and will continue to be in my judgment uh much more concerned about the impact of of um what is happening in the street of Hormuz versus the impact of what is happening relative to the emerging crisis between between Cuba and the United States. justifiably so. The impact of uh shutting down that straight uh or controlling who goes in and who comes out of that straight is is profound with respect to the entire globe, virtually affecting the entire globe. And so there's good reason in my judgment for that. Um but I'm not sure that that prioritizing here is the issue. All of these issues in terms of global crisis are significant. They're important. They impact the the lives of of of of ordinary people and and and um and put into question the fundamental dignity and worth of every global citizen. That's the issue here it seems to me.
>> Johnny, let me ask you this question.
What would Dr. king say or what would he do in light of the circumstances that we have been presented with at this hour?
Um if we stick with both of those the crisis there are many others of course um what's happening again uh as we often um comment on between Russia and Ukraine with the many crises in in Africa right now particularly in East Africa and Somalia in South Sudan Sudan etc. What would King say is your question. Um we can't be certain ever exactly what he would say, but we can certainly extrapolate from where he left off and that is that um he saw um uh in his precient way these crises unfolding and we've talked about that in his u in his um speech on Vietnam, Jesse. Um and you know we should never forget we should always um keep that speech in front of us as we deal with uh the crisis like those that we face today. Jesse King again is so precient. He is he is so in tune with the dominance and the control of the the greed the outright greed um of of of uh the largely the western world and particularly as King pointed out his own nation United States. Um and he he he he gives us a model of what we must do um to create a just and peaceful world. And so given the crisis as we see them today, one only need read uh beyond Vietnam or a time to break silence as it is also known to really understand how King would view these crises today.
Johnny, let me ask you this question because I know that we oftentimes on our programs but also in our dialogue we wear Dr. King out.
>> I'm wondering >> when Dr. King referred to the Mahatma to Gandhi as inevitable and if he didn't come we would have to create our own version of Moandas K Gandhi.
Uh and if Jesus didn't come back, we would have to create our own version of Moandis K. Gandhi because the world needs at this hour a sensible reflection upon who we are as human beings beyond nationalism, beyond our own race, beyond our own ethnicity, calling us to a higher purpose as people. Dr. king kind of hung around this idea of mutuality and >> mutual existence.
And I'm I'm wondering at this hour uh in the absence of any of the great philosophers or even the Lord himself, what is it that we have to create in terms of the spirit energy to sharpen the pencil on the question of our common humanity? Johnny.
>> Yes, Jesse. It's a it's a it is the question and the operative word is the pronoun we. What do we have to do?
Jesse, it is us. It is all of us.
Waiting for a messiah, waiting for a king or a Gandhi um may find us waiting until it's too late within each and every one of us. I believe and I think King would would agree um is that very spirit that you call forth in your question. Um you and talked about it in the last hour. Uh we have to vote. Each and every one of us must take the responsibility.
U we must do our part. Uh and so we are the ones we are waiting on.
Jesse, I think you're muted.
>> Johnny, how does China respond to the people of the world or to the US uh versus the US government? How should we view in this moment? Because as Dr. Dr. King sought to identify with poor people around the world in Vietnam or to even identify with the common humanity of subsaharan Africans or with vast majority of people in the world the Chinese and others who have a level of hedgeimonyy in the global economy. I'm thinking in in in this moment that they would be calling Dr. King a communist and everything else for fighting for a common humanity of people who are struggling. And I do want to to pivot this question because of your global involvement, your global significance and what you have traveled and seen yourself. I don't think it's an accident that the globe at this hour at a time when we're cutting funding to NIH to the Centers for Disease Control that out of Africa itself is now emerging a plague that is forcing the first and developing world to slow down and to reflect upon the role that we play with our science in helping provide security for people not only in the United States but around the world. In a real sense, our agencies on the ground in Africa have been a first line of defense for the spread of global plagues that have consequences for humanity itself. No known cure for Ebola.
>> You know, uh, Jesse, toward the end of the last century, we saw the fall of the Berlin Wall. At that time, the United States was uniquely in a position to be the preeminent hegeimon as we call it, the master of the universe, so to speak. Um, it held a position unmatched and unchallenged by any other uh nation state.
Um you started your question with China and what we find now what 30 40 years later um that China is u one of the well arguably the second most dominant um uh nation state on the globe. Um its significance is um quite bothersome it seems to me um in many ways uh certainly to what uh the United States would like to be and do regarding um you know the trajectory of the global structure.
I remember uh recently reading um something uh no actually I think it was a interview with Alikica um Dangoti when asked who or what nation was the most significant outside of the African continent in terms of its growth its development and its future and he said without question it's China and so when we talk about um isolationism um as we did before the break and what Trump is doing um China will play a significant role moving forward.
Question is how do we respond to it? How those of us um who do not share in the expansionism as we discussed before the break, how do we respond to the impact uh as a global polity? For example, when we think about um the African diaspora, a global polity, if we can use that term, how does it respond to um this struggle between between nations and the current and future structure of world order? It's a very big question that we should not ignore. We should understand it and we should have a position on it. We should respond to it.
I I I I hope that that approach is answering your question, Jesse, because it's a very important one.
>> I I certainly hope we respond to it as good neighbors. U you know, I'm sitting here this moment listening to you and I'm thinking about the image of God and if we're all children of God. Uh and I think about the percentage of Chinese people that live in the world, the people of China. And I look at 1/8 of the world being of African descent. And we think about nearly a third of the world, maybe half of the people of the world are Chinese or some significant number like that, that God is at least 1/8 African and maybe three4ers Chinese. and any illusion that we see uh of who what the image of God is if all of humanity is created in God's image.
We need to have a good neighbor policy with just about everybody because the image of God is constantly changing with the demographics of the world. I mean his if his or her or the spirit energy's face is presenting itself it is presenting itself in the form of an everexpanding humanity that we have an obligation to look at to work with uh not to proilitize not to impose our own feelings or belief upon them whether they are believers or non-believers. It to me that we have an obligation to respect in the worldhouse each and every citizen that exists therein and value who they are under whatever we believe >> uh is is a creator is God is the spirit energy that directs human history. I'm Jesse Jackson Jr. You're listening to the Jesse Jackson Jr. show. Our very special guest regularly on Thursdays is Dr. Johnny Mack. I know that when we come forward in a moment, Johnny, we'll try and pick up on some of these questions. I do want to ask how we can support your work. But I also want to ask the question as to whether or not our movements and marches today, are they as effective as they were in the very truncated period, let's say roughly from the death of Emttel to the assassination of Malcolm and Martin. I'm Jesse Jackson Jr. listening to the Jesse Jackson Jr. Show on KBLA Talk 1580. More when we come forward right here on KBLA.
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I'm Jesse Jackson Jr. and I'm grateful, tremendously grateful for this opportunity. But I'd like to hear from you. I'd like to hear from those of you on the ground in large measure because this is our fifth anniversary here at KBLA, our second anniversary on the show. And I'm really, really honored to engage directly and things that we don't know, hear from other people, things that they might share. Dr. Johnny Mack is our very special guest in this hour.
He's a social entrepreneur, a scholar, practitioner with expertise in subject areas of peace, conflict, and social change and movements. He is one of the adviserss to the Reverend Al Sharpton.
He's certainly an adviser to me and certainly an adviser uh to the late Reverend Jesse Jackson on international affairs issues. And I'm so grateful to have known Johnny Mack for these many years and grateful that he is a regular contributor to our program right here at KBLA. Johnny, welcome forward to the show.
>> Jesse, it's my pleasure. Thanks for having me.
>> Johnny, can you share with us how we can support your work?
>> Um, our website, Jesse, is theworldhouse project.org.
Again, the worldous project.org and you can find out about our work at that website and you can also make a taxdeductible contribution. Thank you for asking, >> Johnny. I'm particularly honored and look forward to encouraging our supporters to support your work. I'm so proud also of Barbara Arwine at the Transformative Justice Coalition for the work that she has done and the timing with which she puts together marches including but not limited to the march that just took place in Alabama after the Supreme Court decision uh to remove uh the Shamari figures uh congressional district in that state and the work that she has been doing in terms of direct engagement through the no kings efforts as they continue to grow and fight tyranny across Ross our country. But Johnny Mack is a very vital part of the thinking that goes into powering a movement and I'm grateful for that.
Johnny, there have been questions raised about the effectiveness of our marches and comparisons have been offered to the marches of the 60s which have become near mythical in terms of their proportion. As you know, the march on Washington in 1963 was a march for jobs and justice.
The economy was front and center. Of course, Martin Luther King Jr. delivered the I have a dream speech at that march.
And somehow we don't refer to it as the jobs and justice march. We refer to it as the I have a dream march. Um, but when you think about the freedom writers, when you think about crossing the Edund Pettis Bridge, when you think about um uh um the march from from Selma to Montgomery, you think about nonviolent confrontation.
>> There's a confrontation.
Uh today we have a lot of speeches.
Everybody got to speech. Everybody got to go live. Everybody got to post a picture. I was here. I get all of that.
But there was a confrontation and then we did not have the support of the state police or the Capitol police or the security leading uh members of Congress to our marches. Dr. King talked about a group of creative nonconforming witnesses to to our struggle who helped shape the character, the culture, and the narrative of of our movement in nonviolent ways. And in those marches, Johnny, they had to be trained. From your perspective, what's the difference between our millions of people that we have marching and the few nonconformists who actually changed the law in the 1960s?
Well, well, Jesse, while the principles uh may be eternal, uh we might call them eternal varities, eternal truths, eternal values, the fundamental principles of of nonviolence.
In practice, how we apply those principles uh change. They change with the times.
They they change under circumstances.
One wonders, for example, if the Homeland Security Act that we are confronted with today, that creates um much of the infrastructure of border security of ICE and brought us the current um internal and external policing um that we realize today. Had that act been in place in the mid 20th century, one wonders what the success of uh the nonvi nonviolent movement might be.
There's a book written by Erica Chinowith and Maria Stefan in 2012. I think it's called why civil or yes why civil resistance works. I think that is it is in uh part of that work suggests that um from 2000 to 2006 uh 53% of all nonviolent movements uh were successful and uh Chennowith argues that if don't miss this now if 3.5% it's called the 3.5% rule Jesse her research says that if 3.5% of a population joins a protest movement, its likelyhood for success is great.
That's a very important >> 35% of a percentage >> 3.5 not.35 >> 3.5 >> it requires at least in her work uh which is quite extensive um but uh her work also suggests that in today's current uh authoritarian environment both here in the United States and throughout the globe there's a significant shift so Jesse in other words in The same way that social movements have shifted from the mid- 20th century to where we are today, so has the infrastructure u that has been put in place to either accommodate or frustrate the efforts of nonviolent movements. Now King understood this. He understood and saw, I believe, these changes as they were emerging, which is why he argued that we must put in the effort of really understanding how nonviolence works, not merely nonviolence resistance, but the entire paniply of what's available to uh social movements in order to effect nonviolent social change. That's why in my own work I uh ask the question after confrontation then what what do we do if after all of the confrontation all of the protesting the marching the civil resistance and we don't achieve what we sought what then do we do or Jesse if we do achieve it but what replaces what we fought against is worse than what we have what then do we do?
>> And that's actually where we are today.
>> Johnny, I'd make the argument that >> so much of the thesis that we posited is what took place between Brown and the death of Martin Luther King Jr.
>> and of course the eruption at the hearing and notification of his assassination on April 4th, 1968.
um that what took place in Tianaan Square with the young man who stood in front of the tank was a manifestation of our movement. It was it it spoke to resistance and the human spirit and its capacity. Just one man standing in front of a tank and the image of that one man an act of defiance was globally I think it's a pulitzer prizewinning photo uh the consequences of of that moment of resistance.
>> Um since 1968 Mandela has spent had spent 27 years in jail. that act of defiance that gave birth to uh the democracy that is South Africa under the leadership of Sirill Ramaposa.
Um we are responsible for that too. I mean Nandela emerged from prison saying that he had observed and read about the American civil rights movement and it changed his attitude and disposition about what was possible.
>> This idea of multicultural living and coming together with with even Africconers. Um, there's so much to be said about how our movement has influenced others. I'm Jesse Jackson Jr.
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>> I'm Jesse Jackson Jr. Welcome forward to the Jesse Jackson Jr. show on KBLA Talk 1580. We are in the Worldhouse with Dr. Johnny Mack. He is a mentor exemplar >> and I'm so grateful that weekly he gives us an hour of his time. And I can't begin to tell you when I first decided to undertake a career in radio how difficult it was to try and convince Johnny to come do this with me for an hour every week and he has been dedicated and consistent. I'm so very grateful for the toutelage he provides me and all of our listeners um through these very difficult times. Johnny, welcome forward to the Jesse Jackson Jr.
Show.
>> You're too kind, Jesse. I'm grateful to be here. Thank you.
>> I'm only telling a truth. Hey, Johnny, check this out. Um, Dr. I'm wondering if um if it's fair to assume that while we are watching these pillars of the civil rights movement be dismantled by the court and by this president from diversity, equity, and inclusion to affirmative action to his attack on the PWIS suggesting that we were not qualified when we were allowed to go to medical school and to law schools at their schools.
Um, I'm struggling with this this um this idea that Dr. King's work from Rosa Parks to his untimely assassination, murder, and death were was about removing the last vestigages of Jim Crow >> at the beginning of second reconstruction. And I define the beginning of second reconstruction to be 1954 forward. We had to have a constitutional framework to do what we did and to witness what we've become.
But the vestigages of Jim Crow still lingered and Dr. King, Malcolm X, and others rose to that occasion. They rose to that moment because the America that we live in, well, let's just say a year ago, was fundamentally different than anything I think they might have imagined or even experienced in their own lives.
As Jim Crow comes to an end, there is an even deeper reflection, Johnny, at the end of first reconstruction, uh, sorry, second reconstruction comes to an end, there's an even deeper reflection and comparison about how we lost all of our members of Congress, our rights coming out of first reconstruction and the parallels that are being made uh um to that reality today, which has called many of us to suggest that organizations like the NAACP, the Urban League, the fraternities and sororities that were founded at the beginning of Jim Crow that they too should return to their roots of resistance after confrontation. Then what? a return to the roots of our resistance and quite frankly away from the social clubs and some of the foolishness that we've engaged in uh since we've enjoyed a level of comfort in an ever constant and changing reality. Johnny Mack.
>> Yeah. So, you know, Jesse, resistance will always be necessary.
um when when you when you question whether the legacy organizations I suppose we can use that term um should return to their roots of resistance. Um you know the question is what are those roots and when did they leave them and why did they leave them? But the point really is that resistance whatever it is and however it is done must be consistent with the circumstances in real time as well as overtime.
And I think, Jesse, that resistance has to be matched with, as I've said many times on this show and otherwise, with other forms of nonviolent social action.
But also, we must remember that King argued that those legacy organizations came together at a time and addressed issues consistent with that time. But he he told us that those same organizations would not be the ones to finish the work, my term, not his, but would not be the the same ones to meet the challenges of the difficult days ahead.
>> And so if he was right, that's not to suggest that these organizations should not be in the fight, should not be in the struggle.
But what else?
What other methods? What other types of organizations should we be focused on today in order to address the challenges and the circumstances that we have today?
This is a question that King put to us that Jesse I'm not sure we've answered yet. And it may well be and I argue it is where we're in the predicament we are in today that we did not do the kind of study and reflection uh and and we don't have the full understanding of nonviolent social change that King admonished us we should focus on in order to be ready for this time and under these circumstances.
Johnny, we were three years we were three years into the right to vote when Dr. King was assassinated. 1965, assassinated 1968. He never lived to see 62 blacks in Congress. M >> never lived to see 800 African-American state legislators at the state level fighting for uh uh justice with respect to these lines that the legislation he helped advanced helped create. He never lived to see blacks in the Senate and second reconstruction. That that's a new thing that just that just happened. He certainly never lived to see Barack Obama as president of the United States.
And so yes, these are changing times.
But Johnny, in a real sense, even in these changing changing times, there is some ancestral call to the ways in which we've made it over. And in in that reflection, uh Johnny, paying homage uh to that period, can you offer us a word of hope?
Well, as I've said before and I will always say, um, my hope is in the generation um, this new generation and that new generation that continu continually emerges from one to the next.
We, Jesse, you and I uh have stood and are standing on the shoulders of those who came before us, who stood on the shoulders that came before them.
Now, our shoulders must be broad enough, and we must be determined enough to allow those who follow us to stand on our shoulders and enable them. And it is they in whom I hope.
>> So grateful, Johnny. Johnny, I was talking with Barbara Arnwine after the Alabama march and she said of the thousands of people that showed up, she said, Jesse, the largest number demographically were somewhere between the ages of 18 and 25. I think she might have even said 30 or 32. She said she was overwhelmed by the generation of activists who had shown up at that particular uh march and um obviously on one side of town the no kings marches are taking place >> but now with the direct assault on our voting rights act including the new tools that we have. seen some preachers preaching some amazing sermons uh right through here about the injustices that are taking place. And then I c I can't help but reflect even though this wasn't my era when Joseph Jackson was the president of the National Baptist Convention and the idea of talking about you know justice in the here and now was uh was was was fraught against those ministers who preached the buy and buy every Sunday.
>> Yes. Yes, >> they weren't willing to make to make that transition. But increasingly, boy, these preachers from these seminaries up at Princeton Theological Seminary and Chicago Theological Seminary and Croer and Union Theological Seminary. I mean, these preachers are coming out here and they are speaking real truth to power.
And all I've asked in this in this particular space that as we march that we look at the drama associated with a nonviolent confrontation.
U a lot of people out here marching. Not everybody's willing to go to jail or get their head get hit in the head with a club. I'm Jesse Jackson Jr. listening to the Jesse Jackson Jr. Show. Grateful to Johnny Mack. More on KBALA Talk 1580 on Friday. It's Fat Meat right here with Jesse Jackson.
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