GACHAGUA IN THE FOOTSTEPS OF RAILA

Added: 2026-05-16

[00:00:00]anywhere in this country. So if you tell him that you know what you are a tribal guy if we give you the ticket then you are not going to win he cannot believe that.

[00:00:09]>> Do you think R is tribal?

[00:00:10]>> Very tribal in fact.

[00:00:12]>> Why why then do you think that if Gashagua vise alongside President William R is going to be delected and is not going to be >> it is because we will have two bad guys but then Riyadi Gashagago has presented himself as the worst of the two.

[00:00:28]>> Why? We have to look at the 2024 Gen Z protest. The person who is accused of preciding over the murders of the young people. The person who was in charge was not Gashagago. It was President William.

[00:00:39]The person who is charge who was in charge of economy. If people are crying that there is no money, it is William R not Gashag presented himself as a worst leader compared to President William.

[00:00:51]>> We cannot really enhance the the the mediocrity we've seen in Kenyan politics moving forward. Why? If you look at the Tukadi campaign, my friend who was the founder of Tukadi campaign said, "Well, we may be saying to Kucadi, but Gashago is not an option." And people really had a problem with that.

[00:01:14]>> And uh the problem is this.

[00:01:18]When we went uh to the Jenzip Mandanos, people tend to show us and claim like it was the first Mandanos ever to happen in the history of Kenya. We have had other mandos like Suya >> similar to that one. I feel like that was the first.

[00:01:33]>> It was it was huge. But the Suya one was also quite a good man.

[00:01:36]>> I feel like when they said that was a different kind of madam man, we're talking about one that we did not need Raer.

[00:01:42]>> We did not need one to mobilize. It was the the young the people themselves told themselves >> that was the only point where we impeached parliament because it stands impeached from that day. My issue is when he was in government we have not forgotten that he told us when you go to the streets you do not expect the police to come and kiss you. He said that it's in public record. He went to a graduation I don't know if it was in university. Yeah.

[00:02:07]>> Wasn't he talking about >> No, he was talking about the protesters.

[00:02:12]We went to that was before the Gen Z.

[00:02:15]When we went to the Gen Z protests, the Gen Z protest which we were protesting the finance bill >> when they voted yes the parliamentarians >> he called them and he congratulated them for their courage. No confusing.

[00:02:30]>> You know when the person who invited >> I believe because we are all the files are in this station. I think we are confusing.

[00:02:39]>> Congratulated the members of parliament for their courage.

[00:02:43]>> They write books with the president when the fin they may not have been in good books but because you can find the record.

[00:02:52]>> We going to find he congratulated the members of parliament for voting yes.

[00:02:59]>> Yes. For the finance bill >> for the finance bill. So gashagago was pro finance bill. Sugashagua is a politician >> who is only supporting the people because of his convenience. Assuming he was still in government, this guy even begged President Raku. He apologized to >> we need to call out the hypocrisy in our politicians. So we are not really uh picking out regarding >> I I I want to correct you because I feel like you are confusing us and our audience in terms of Gashaga congratulating Kenyan MPs.

[00:03:37]>> This did not happen during the Gen Z cycle. Remember at that time he was not the deputy president. He congratulated during the 2023 finance bill.

[00:03:46]>> But here we're talking about >> 2024.

[00:03:49]>> When when was regard impeached?

[00:03:51]>> 2024. Which month? October.

[00:03:53]>> October.

[00:03:54]>> But he congratulated in 20 for the June 2023 in June 2023 during the 2023 finance bill.

[00:04:01]>> Now that is one.

[00:04:02]>> Mhm.

[00:04:03]>> I want to give you time.

[00:04:04]>> Mhm.

[00:04:06]>> We are.

[00:04:07]>> We want to give you time before.

[00:04:09]>> We check we going.

[00:04:10]>> You check. He has he congratulated them also during the 2024 finance bill >> before he was impeached.

[00:04:15]>> Before he was impeached.

[00:04:16]>> Okay. But but you agree that um he's he's a force to reckon with.

[00:04:20]>> He's a force to reckon with. also agree that uh his his party is growing exponentially >> and the fact that uh in m Kenya right now >> it's becoming uh a reality >> that uh for you to get elected >> they must >> the people are really uh trying to push an idea that go to DCP but there is as we said I want us to to to to be fair on both sides grace >> we said that the people are learning in the same way there is a small a growing population of people in M Kenya who are also saying individuals >> and uh K recently said that the biggest uh threat to their Jubilee candidates will not be UDA it will be DCP why because DCP is growing at a very fast rate yet it's a new party >> so we are going to find a situation where >> the people of mount Kenya there is a young population that is coming out and saying individuals >> and uh now we want to be academic a bit.

[00:05:27]If you look at uh developed uh democracies the likes of the US, the UK, we have ideological parties. So what happens is uh if you are if you are in UK, you are either in Labor or you are in the other uh party. Either in US you're either a Republican based on your conservative values or principles or ideology or you are a democrat based on your liberal uh uh views, free economy and everything else that aligns you as a as a liberal.

[00:05:59]>> Now in Kenya we are a very young democracy that is still grounded on individuals. So we do not have ideological political parties. Political parties in Kenya are based on not just individuals because even the likes of Wanjigi have parties. They are based on tribal chiefs.

[00:06:20]>> Even Zafina party >> the the popularity of them is based on tribal chiefs. And that is why we may say that parties are owned by individuals but that's not enough. You have to be a tribal chief to command authority with a party. That is why you may have a party. Even myself I have had a party but the tribal chiefs are the ones who get >> now let me ask you um given that you understand all this the last time I checked you a member of the national democrats party >> the TN >> TND party >> so um is your leader a tribal chief and what are you doing about it in 2027 are you planning to join the party that is that belongs to a tribal chief to seek >> to seek to seek political power yes no one of the things that I have said to today morning I interacted with someone called John CW >> I have interacted with uh many of the young people of this country and uh the advantage of going to a political election twice and uh unsuccessfully so >> has taught me many things. So in 2027 I have two options. One of the options is become fully tribal >> and a desire to just occupy political office. If my desire in 2027 is to occupy political office or maybe become the senator of Ner or the MP of Ner town, the best bet I have now is to make sure that I go to ao village and declare allegiance to his excellency.

[00:07:47]Trust me with that and go into the ballot it will going it is going to give me an edge automatically in the next elections. I have another option of saying okay I may get the seat but I'm never going to make any change because why if you are elected under one of these uh tribal parties >> you are not going to make any change as an as a legislator and uh this is the reason if you look at the members of parliament who are elected through UDA they were whipped through UDA party >> to go and uh vote for uh to vote yes for the finance bill. In fact, the one member of parliament that maybe Gashagago doesn't like right now was the one who stood with the people that time.

[00:08:35]>> Mhm.

[00:08:35]>> He voted uh no >> to the finance bill by the way.

[00:08:39]>> So >> I just want to show you the dis in the lack of genuine genuinity in Kenyan politics. the the fact that now the who stood with the people is apparently now an enemy of the of of of the clan or of the court >> but at the time when we needed him most to vote no to the finance bill as the people he did it so I just want to tell you that going into the next election I have those options that option is if I'm too desperate to become a member of parliament I'll use that option but then I want to become to to become a member of a change movement in Kenya and uh this is a journey and I want to inspire Grace and tell her there is hope that we can have a better Kenya a Kenya free from R a Kenya free from a free >> yeah a Kenya free from tribal chiefs you know because it is unfortunate by the way the fact that in this wonderful unfiltered show we have had a whole probably half hour discussing the fact that we are at the hands of two tribal chiefs his excellency and his excellency R for the future of this country and the young people of this country. It's unfortunate.

[00:09:50]>> You want to get power or you don't?

[00:09:52]>> You may want to get power but uh I do not want to be one of the rest. I do not want to be one of those who got power and did nothing with it. I want to believe in a revolution.

[00:10:03]>> But you haveitt admitted that the easiest way to win is >> the this is way to win to allege to >> a certain party for a certain region >> in a certain region. But how much change are you going to do? You're going to join the same systems that we allegedly impeached in 2024. So the >> but you cannot speak on them. Maybe maybe that is not what >> so the big question Greece is our leaders get elected to for change >> or to serve their political chiefs.

[00:10:33]>> They just want to get what you call the privilege. You see the if what is >> I think that is that is an an individual's decision personal decision.

[00:10:43]>> So Steve's decision is not to uh my decision is not to go for for for the privileges that come.

[00:10:50]>> Haven't you seen posters where someone is saying you know vote for me so that I can get a car and build a house and build a mansion. Basically, even those who have >> Yes. Exactly why we voted for you and we will vote.

[00:11:00]>> Even those who have >> even those who have, they also go for that political office to enrich themselves more. And and I want us to come here and say, okay, >> Woro, we really don't even need to address him as a bad person. He's not a bad person. Let's be honest. Neither is R a bad person. These are just victims of the system that developed them.

[00:11:22]>> You do not expect R not to promote corruption. He's an beneficiary and a product of a corrupt system. RK92, he was built, you know, the fertilizer that created him was the corrupt system of politics that was around the Moy regime.

[00:11:42]>> The the the same with with the likes the likes of Regard Shagua, Colono Musoka, all these guys that we have >> have a tainted past and they have a past that is held Mhm.

[00:11:55]>> to Canu. So what are we what are we saying as the people? How much can we despair and say that these guys and the system of politics which they propagate will continue to rule us >> if we let uh UDA or the Gashaguas and the RTS of this country to continue ruling us. The likely nature is that they will create new gashaguas and new ruts in the name of the likes of Murcommen in the name of the likes of Medu who have been mentored. When they say they have mentored them, they have mentored them based on the same foundation they were established on. And that is why I'm saying unless we are deliberate about the changing this country and we go to this to this ballot and say we do not want either of these two sides. We wanted that side and uh it's unfortunate in Kenya that the likes of Maraga who probably represent the the the direction we would want Kenya to go >> where you have voted based on your integrity.

[00:12:54]>> They really don't get traction. Their campaigns don't get traction. And why do they lack traction? because the people of Kenya and as I said they are the greatest uh disappointment to to to the future of Kenya have already been tied to the tribal uh narrative that is around the Kenyan politics and that is where you are seeing much as I also do not feel like the Linda Monanchi team may also represent 100% of where we are going the reason why the Linda Monachi team is gaining traction is because they are coming out and purporting or coming out as as a side that does not believe in the traditional way of politics and the traditional system of political of of ethnic mobilization. So what does that tell you? Why is it coming out as a popular one? And if you look at the TIFA research as well, the Linda Monanchi is highly popular, more popular than the Linda ground. Is it Linda ground? Linda ground. So the issue is if if we had a presidential candidate by now, it would have been very clear that it is either Gashagua or Colono or Nate versus R in 2027. We would be mobilizing the people alongside that line. But what happens when uh uh and we have learned we we need to learn from NASA and uh and and and Azimo when Azimo because I was in Azim Kenya coalition when we went and joined Azimo with Kono Musoka's one Kenya alliance there was an issue where Colono knew he had been running it over time >> but now here comes uh an interview process that has been brought up where he has to be really humiliated through an interview process >> and his people were telling him run for this thing and if he ran >> we would have had a runoff >> and that runoff would have decided who would have become the president so he ought to run so >> he took he took the humble pie and said I'm joining Raa he takes two weeks two months to election he says he's taken two weeks break to go and reflect on the decision he made.

[00:15:06]>> Mhm.

[00:15:07]>> And what did that do to his backyard, his eastern region?

[00:15:12]>> The eastern region people said and so the votes that would have gotten in Eastern were less than what he was traditionally getting. So what I'm saying is the opposition lack of a candidate as well. And if you look as well in 2017 mocking them and this is what he will also the campaign will also do this time. So there is a chance that a disjointed opposition will guarantee to a second term and that is the greatest danger we have now and the fact that we will also have a young population who are split.

[00:15:56]Do we follow Sifuna? And Cifuna himself said it that if the united the opposition does not unite from the Linda Monanchi to the United Alternative Government, then they are going to give root to a second term. The issue here is they must unite >> and if anyone bolts out with at least 2 million votes >> and and and leave this conversation where people are saying that opposition landslide. Mhm.

[00:16:25]>> Elections right now the the the tools that are used to mobilize people around the election are still very much alive.

[00:16:34]As I said, we've started a journey, but we are at 30%. I am not very ambitious that we may not do it, we may do it and succeed in this election. But in the next two election cycles, I look forward to a place where as the Moy uh guys get out of politics, we may have a fresh brand of politics. But until then these guys will continue mobilizing their people along tribal lines. Don't be lied that Mudavadi will not go and mobilize their people with wet along the tribal lines of of being lawyer. Don't be lied that R will not go to his tribe and tell them we are challenging. H these guys hate us if we give them give it to them.

[00:17:11]So tribal politics will be at play.

[00:17:16]those tribal politics, >> those tribal politics will be at play if we the people of Kenya can come out and reject.

[00:17:22]>> And do you think they're willing to reject?

[00:17:25]>> I believe a huge portion is willing to we must never underestimate the the the determination of the Kenyan people. As much as we say that they are doing it badly and disappointing us, there's a determination by a population that is coming up especially of the young generation. And that is why as I said if there was no that hopefully any kind of support >> but is joining the United are you >> yeah they in today in fact I've seen working with kids kids are identifying him >> and they said he's automatically going to join the United opposition so that together they can win. So do you think um when is this hopeful or or generation uh going to change the political arithmetic 2027 2032 2042 2015 >> I believe uh by 2042 we will have change >> you see 2042 >> by the sifunas to think that also represents the new the new face of Kenya that we really want >> we would also be lying to ourselves because he's a product of the old face of Kenya >> it is the it is that old face of Kenya that has introduced him.

[00:18:32]>> So because if you tell me that would have won Senate without Raa's backing then you he could not have done that. He had gone to his own place. They had not voted for him. So he needed Raa. So >> the people who are there are products of kingpins until not just their children. They are political children >> and they are political products.

[00:18:58]Don't tell me that anyone who has been a product of the current guys can do better than that.

[00:19:10]If you ask me this is unfiltered in Kenyan politics tribalism I don't think it will end anytime soon. That is a fact. Whether we like it or not 2042 there is hope. Look at it. the >> no >> the the the young voters coming up >> they are really not taking the tribalism as much and you'll see even in mount Kenya we will not have a suti election of m of of of governor to president to MCA >> trust me >> m Kenya >> in mount Kenya >> much as getting a DCP ticket makes you very popular we are going to see positions where if someone doesn't get that ticket and they are popular and loved by the people and they relate and associate well with the people they are going to get elected. I think that he's like a >> mian politics a just because time always helping then it's all about who are you really following >> who is your head I'm just giving an example let's say for example me me I'm running a DCP in in Mont Kenya region number two always. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:20:37]You mean people will vote for you because they love you and forget about me.

[00:20:43]I feel like that even happened during the person or the other one was a bad person.

[00:20:52]all the state whe there's a I once held sat with an old politician who told me that uh when Kenyata gets out of politics there's going to be something called the establishment on of an obscure monarchy.

[00:21:18]Mhm.

[00:21:19]>> An obscure monarchy was to mean that we will not have a vivid kingpin.

[00:21:24]>> But Kashawa came and challenged that that that proposition >> because uh we were allegedly supposed to be left without a kingpin or with multiple kingpins >> and that was the ideal uh idea that I believe R had when impeaching Riadi. He probably felt that there would be multiple kingpins. A king based king.

[00:21:45]>> Yeah. Like it is in the land. But this guy has surprised us. Suddenly everyone in Mount Kenya is listening to him. But uh what will happen in 2027 is this number one of the seats the United opposition will get this guy is definitely going to get at least 60 to 70% of them.

[00:22:09]>> Gashagago's party.

[00:22:10]>> Okay. The rest will be divided among DCP >> themselves and PLP TN does it exist >> TND is existing and TND will be part of the united opposition.

[00:22:23]>> Oh >> we will be part of the united opposition >> but the chairman the party leader holds a government position. You see he's he holds no he's holding a position where he's serving at and by the he's the he has been voted as the best performing >> when he's exiting to join the United opposition.

[00:22:43]>> I may not predict when he's exiting because those are internal strategies >> but the reality is as we as a party >> associate with the ideals of the United opposition >> and you have a position >> you may also have a presidential candidate as well. Do you have a position in TND?

[00:22:59]>> I have a position in TND. I'm the deputy party leader.

[00:23:01]>> So the deputy party leader of TND has told us >> that they are joining >> we are going to join the United for >> and and by the way we are going to we are also going to come out. We will see a press conference very soon within the next four or three months we are going to have a very powerful press conference where we are going to declare our >> But why do you want to join the opposition and yet you're saying that if the opposition fronts gashagua is going to win so why really do you want to go?

[00:23:25]>> This is what we are doing. We are here being unfiltered. I am giving you my honest opinion and that's why I'm asking you in all honesty as the deputy party leader of the party why would you want your party to move in a direction where you you're sure you sure you guys may not form the next government because of >> once we get to the to the table of the united of alternative government >> we will now be able to come and place those feelings on >> and are you supposed to place the feelings or before no we we will do it before and after once we are there we will tell them that in our opinion this is the right candidate for us is saying we want to fight from within >> we will fight from within so we are not really going to say that uh we we believe that the we don't believe that the current government is doing things in the right way >> but your your your your party leader >> the chairman >> the chairman is >> chairperson >> he's serving the the >> the chairperson we as a party >> the government that you feel is not >> we advised we we advised him that uh and and and we advised him and uh we we felt Our chairperson is a hard worker who has a huge experience in the agricultural field >> and when he got a chance this is a person who has developed his own breeds of chicken.

[00:24:37]So when we got there we advised I'm not even going to that we adise that you're going to serve the Kenyan people go and serve them in the best way possible. And this is why I disagree with when Gashago was in government it was right for a m Kenya person to be in government. Suddenly he leaves and he starts inciting everyone against who is left in government. I want to see this guy is ingenuine as well. He's not really an honest politician.

[00:25:02]>> But I also think you're ingenuine. Ask me why. Why?

[00:25:05]>> Because Then the party but you here with the deputy party leader the deputy party leader in the party but then political parties in Kenya runs around personality based is among the parties that will share the remaining 10%.

[00:25:45]>> No, the 40% was being shared before we join you can be assured that if we join if we join and you can hear the name the new >> the new democrats >> and so I have said I represent the new face of Kenya. So we we will be coming to represent the new face of Kenya. The young people will associate with us and majorly by the way other than maybe the chairman who will be running as an old person. You can be sure 90% of our candidates will be young. But >> can I also ask something? Uh we talking about Mont Kenya and the DCP party and now other affiliate parties as you've talked about.

[00:26:19]>> You are affiliating they are making them look tiny.

[00:26:21]>> It's because you said they going to that was before we join. If we join we are changing this narrative. The moment we declare like >> because you can imagine >> okay before meanwhile before then is 60 40 now the other ones that are getting will be 50/50.

[00:26:36]>> Yeah for now 60.

[00:26:43]My question is >> Janama the governor of Kiryaga Ano came out and he was apologizing to the people of Kenya >> and the reason as to why he was apologizing is because of the impeachment of Gashagua. They're saying that the Kenya Kwanza administration is getting a rough time even the president trying to penetrate into uh the Mount Kenya region. H you have a party here and you're saying that your party for now is 6040 but it will be 50/50 then >> and you're trying to still take away that narrative of the the the DCP.

[00:27:19]>> Yeah.

[00:27:23]Right. If a whole governor comes and says yo we are sorry we yo yes we get it we we wronged you by impeaching this guy. We are sorry forgive us. Right.

[00:27:33]>> E4 the impeachment >> anyone who fails to acknowledge regard his popularity would be a liar. Finish so that I can answer together.

[00:27:50]>> Uh on top of what >> Grace >> Grace has talked about, we have also seen defections. former chairperson for Kenya city company and former Kyaga women representative Wongi >> um and he has defected from UDA and she's enrolled to DCP >> we have Manga governor Kangata who has also defected from UDA says that he disagrees with the political strategy and the priority >> by this party we have governor they all defecting um and if you listen to them They implying that they not implying that you will with DC but like for example I don't believe so that >> that plus what Grace has told you about Wuru and her apology saying that she understands the fury the disappointment the dissatisfaction from a section of m Kenya region electorate. Do you think uh that uh UDCP don't don't you think it's home and right >> as as I answer that >> for me I believe the person who should apologize to us is President R.

[00:29:05]President R hates Kenya. The fact that he went to appoint a running mate he had Kindi. He had gashagua and he went ahead and chose gashagua against the will of the members of parliament from mount kenya region who voted for kiki shows that he really is not a leader who embraces the opinions of the people. So the moment he appointed rigi he should not they should not really come and apologize for voting for for impeaching rigi because they created the monster themselves. Ifadu was never appointed running mate and he has he has said that before that before I was appointed running mate. I was just a village guy from Mad. Now >> the likes of are smelling the coffee and realizing we made a mistake. We need to realign ourselves >> and u gashagua being a strategic position has run ahead of time and realized the people will be running against R. The truth is regard found us in opposition whether they stayed together or not we would have sent them home. So we would have probably had a new kingpin who would have developed but he came and hijacked the process of us getting a new kingpin. He's a very strategic guy. So cunning and we have to agree that's the case. The guy now now has come and he has taken a huge chunk.

[00:30:21]The only reason he is not going to get 100% or 90% of elected seats is because of the revolution we started as the Gen Z people. The Jersey revolution will challenge the issue of having a kingpin who tells us who to vote for.

[00:30:39]>> That is the only reason as to why I believe it is not that the the PLP parties will be so powerful. It is the concept that the journey to change in Kenya will have begun and the concept of kingpins telling Kenyans where to go and you'll see it even in Rift Valley. R will not have 90 or 100% of seats going to UDA. You'll start seeing other parties which may seem friendly to him getting >> winning >> winning. That is that is now going to be the beginning of a journey to a better Kenya, but it is not that the people who will be vying with these other positions in M Kenya will not align themselves with what regarded they will and and to be honest, let's say it will be what Gashagua will be saying. You know that even those these other parties will be >> even these other parties will also follow.

[00:31:28]>> They will also follow >> but it will be because they will be all saying that we are sending R home and therefore they will be together. United for a common enemy.

[00:31:37]>> United united for a common common enemy.

[00:31:39]And the reality is >> if he also goes and tries to bulldo and say it is either DCP or nothing, then he is also going to risk offending his partners in the United opposition which we will also be. And so we will have a consensus as partners.

[00:31:57]It's like the rest now in the Premier League.

[00:32:04]Whoever wins wins. So it will be like that in the in the in the in the 2027 election.

[00:32:09]>> But how united will that be? Because we're also seeing that in um in this place that is also getting a bi-election in Jubilees all color right.

[00:32:18]>> So say you all the all these parties within the United opposition are front candidates but you're all fight united under one UDA candidate. Don't you think you guys are given an if you look at Jubilee they have also I don't know where they got the candidate but they just went somewhere I think they went to a joint >> and but then we have to agree this strategy is just too good. The guy went and did a proper nomination process, proper nomination exercise that has inspired hope in other aspirants from other regions. Jubilee decides to go to a boardroom, maybe make a few calls to a few political brokers in town and they reality >> but but that's the reality that is ahead of of time.

[00:33:18]>> Yes. But also uh in that election maybe before then we will have come and made more predictions but as well UDA will give DCP run.

[00:33:29]>> Thank you. Thank you so much Stephen would have DCP >> with not a huge margin as well.

[00:33:40]>> Okay. Thank you so much for your time and I believe >> maybe would have bided goodbye to the people of Kenya.

[00:33:49]>> Uh the as a leader of the young people's movement, I lead a movement called the Jenzote movement, a movement that believes that uh this election has to be a crossgenerational conspiracy. It doesn't have to be Gen Z's voting their way. We have to come together in the next election and decide that we want to change Kenya. And I want to urge Kenyans to decide that it is time we shift from uh tribal and ethnic politics. It may be a journey but there is hope. Let us keep going. Let us keep believing in a better future in a better Kenya. And personally I will be leading the movement for telling Kenyans that it is possible and inanti Grace. Yeah, I it was a very interesting conversation just like the time was a bit >> do something but it was a very you fight from within >> for your 40%.

[00:34:45]>> I think you will host me the day we make that declaration.

[00:34:48]>> Yes. You tell us how >> how we plan to do things.

[00:34:51]>> Yes. I we are waiting to see how we grab the 40% shares in a shoot. So the they should the likes of mother Jubilee should be >> they should actually be grateful because when we come we will boost numbers that's >> thank you so much appreciate it until next Thursday I among unfiltered with no gashane and Daniel Kio. Okay.