The Big Conversation: NPP’s Internal Elections Under Fire: Can New Party Committees Restore Trust?

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[00:00:00]education certificate examination will end today and the the conversation we're asking and and we wish all the students um writing very very well but we're asking that conversation and uh whether or not we are preparing students for the future or we are preparing them just for the sake of exam for them to make progress in school in studio now is Dr. Abdul Khaled. Um Muhammad Sharif. He's a member of parliament for the good people of Nangong. And he will be joined later by Kamal Dean, his excellency. Let me actually put it that way because he's been an ambassador before. His excellency uh Kamal Dean Abdullah, deputy national communications director of the NPP. But doc, let me welcome you.

[00:00:45]Good morning. How you doing?

[00:00:46]>> Thank you very much. uh yeah >> of traditional area >> I don't want to say a very good morning to you now >> me I'm wanam >> oh okay >> so you see because you are a n you know what wanams are >> yes I know >> okay so so so I'm your beician in a sense I make sure you appear looking very nice for everybody else see I will say a very good morning to you and our listeners out there >> I would also say a very good morning to my constituents the chiefs and people of Lton constituency and a very good morning to everyone else that's listening to us and it's good to to be here. I think this is my first time here and it's good to see you too Johnny and everything. You see now now that you are a chief it becomes difficult for me to call you Johnny >> sunrise we respect our >> I I I understand but it's okay for the purposes of this conversation uh let's let's um do it that way. Let me also announce to you that we're live on Kesmi FM107.1 in Tamil and beyond. So uh you can always tune in anywhere around the world. also on 3NWs.com if you go on to our website www.th3news.com 3news.com you can listen live and please share the link and tell others about it but doc let me begin with with it I'm sure you have fondest memories of the days when you sat for your BEC what what comes to mind when we talk about BEC for you >> so so first and foremost I would want to say a very big congratulations to all students that have undergone this uh particular >> please use the mic for me >> I think it's ending today >> that's right >> we say a very big congratulations to them they put in a lot of efforts I say particularly A very big congratulations to my students from my constituency.

[00:02:29]This year we had 1,0 students from Nan sitting for the basic certificate examination. Um in our own small way we have been able to support a bit of them to encourage them then to tell them that look for us who especially come from rural areas um the deficits are there deficits in terms of uh facilities, furniture, school learning materials etc. But we always encourage our young ones that look our circumstances would not definitely decide our future. So for me as a young man that was growing up in Tamil, right?

[00:03:03]>> The busy certificate examination was one key way. I mean our parents always taught us that the only way to succeed was to go to school.

[00:03:11]>> I mean there was nothing else they could give to us apart from school. So starting my basic education somewhere in Battle Meation Tishu then later to Taval International School where I took my basic certificate. It was a long road but thanks to Allah I mean uh it was long it was interesting but for us in those early days because I think I took the BC somewhere in 2004.

[00:03:34]>> Okay.

[00:03:35]>> Somewhere 200.

[00:03:36]>> I took money in 1999.

[00:03:37]>> Yes. You are you you are an older guy.

[00:03:41]>> You are the older guy. But it brings fond memories. I mean the the night candles the desire >> to achieve something and to make sure that because for us like for me >> my dream was to go to a boy school >> right >> and and and and coming from Tamale >> we didn't have a signal sex school right so my desire was that look I wanted to get to pre college and you cannot going to pre was not going to come cheap >> that's right >> so so burning the midnight candles and god was uh was very benevalent to us >> um >> so So, so, so I I I I know what it comes with when people prepare and even for parents, >> you see, now that the examination is over, the the burden is lifted off the student and is now put on the parent because the parent is now wondering what are what is the my world's results going to be? How am I going to get my h my ward into the next level of education?

[00:04:35]So, these are things that will come up.

[00:04:37]But to the students we say kudos to you and we we are sure that uh with all the hard work um we've seen a very tremendous uh increase in numbers right and for me what is even most interesting and striking is the number of women >> Johnny if you now go through our educational system you realize that the females interestingly >> are becoming the higher numbers we are having >> which is good news >> it's good news very very excellent news because in the past if you were looking at the ratio of male to females in our schools you would have realized that the males were dominating. So at this point, Johnny, some people are even saying that look, let's take a look at the male child again because we may be losing a certain grip of the male child just by always uh also looking too much at the level of the females. But our educational system has come of age.

[00:05:24]Successive governments have made sure that uh we have these numbers. We have uh we produce not only students that are out to pass exam but we produce students that are out for innovation. We produce students that are out for national development. We don't want just a student that speaks only English.

[00:05:44]>> Right?

[00:05:44]>> English alone will not help our country to develop. We want student that are innovative. We want student that have knowledge in technology, science, ICT, etc. That is the only way we are going to develop. And I'm happy that a lot of concentration too has just moved only from this numeracy and literacy thing to TV vet and then also to skills training so that we have more of our technical schools. We have double in Tamil >> right >> doing great a great great great great great great job students coming up with so much innovation. Recently I saw them come up with an incubator on three >> and and this is very interesting. These are just young students that are thinking beyond the box. We have our students also going into certain competitions like robotics right >> I remember premp college in the past even in the world >> want something in robotics. So that means that our educational system yes we are improving but there's still a lot we have to do.

[00:06:38]>> Now now let's look at the structure of what we teach in the schools. Um I'm looking at the con the whole concept of JSS which is now JHS. Okay a few additions subtractions have been added onto it. Um I had opportunity to do a life skills and uh a great science and vocational skills and you know all those other ones that technical skills, technical drawing. I remember we constructed our own small washroom know that we use small you know the the nepan section one where you everybody will see your head if you are in there but your private parts are you know concealed. I remember that like you know the the tenon saws were there the the mortise lock everything do do you have those things in this school those school the schools these days to suggest that we are training the children for the future for life or we just getting them to pass the exam so that they can make progress what do you know >> so so like like you I I relate very well with these subjects you are mentioning life skills I remember even in life skills we were taught how to grave bathing You know these these were things that we all learned people technical skills. We had the best >> T square drawing board >> scoring board and then also you have protractor >> where you have the machinery you go in there you see I mean and and for some workshops exactly that was the word I was looking for. We had workshops and then we had time to go in there and then be able to try hands on and and >> interestingly some of our colleagues you could see right from the beginning that they were gifted with their hands >> and some of them you know today some of them some of for some of my colleagues they are mechanical engineers some are computer scientists etc. >> But coming down is that we've lost a bit of it. Our curriculum currently looks too much into numeracy and then just liter >> instead of the hands on the skills. So but especially at the basic level I I'm thinking successive government in their thoughts >> in reducing number of subjects etc and contact hours because John remember >> in the past sometime you could go to school in the morning you only go home after 3 p.m.

[00:09:01]>> That's right >> 3 p.m. or so but now we have sometime because of numbers etc. We are having a shift one and a shift 2. Some people come by 12:00 they closing others come and then they have to go through. So the concept and then if you listen to people in the industry, people who are ready to employ, they always have this complaint that look we get graduates but we are not getting people who are ready for the soft skills the soft skills are not there. So this is a point where the ministry of education together with other stakeholders will really need to look back into the curriculum of of of of our learners to make sure that look we bring back these old things this life skills thing we are talking about. Look up to I don't go to anybody to fix my my my my button for me. I'm able to fix my own button.

[00:09:49]>> I can bake actually. I can cook.

[00:09:51]>> Yes. Exactly. So So this it so in the this prepared you for life. It was not just preparing you to be a student or to be just employable but it prepared you for life and you you are a better person now of the system that were put in place right from the basic level. And you see around the world people say that look to to eliminate illiteracy the best way to do it is at the basic level.

[00:10:16]>> That's the only way we can eliminate illiteracy because that's the level that that forms the base or the foundation of every educational system. So our kids now I'm sure also for those who are writing DC if you ask somebody how do you bake?

[00:10:33]>> Yeah. It will be a difficult >> there'll be a difficulty. I I I don't know whether they still do technical skills because I don't see them roaming with the T >> T square and the T drawing board >> drawing boards you I don't think they are doing those things but those are things that >> back in the day you were eager to hold it when when you get to form two because you you holding it and you are not holding it so so so there are key problems that we have come across but I think that we have also made a lot of um um um tremendous achievements in this regard but we need to put a certain level of skill and a certain level of um awareness creation.

[00:11:12]>> But we are all in all this we are speaking about skills etc. We also have to have certain subjects that teach our youth discipline, good citizenship.

[00:11:23]>> That's the only way we >> but we had religious and moral studies.

[00:11:26]We had social studies and then um at some point there was one other forgotten but but these two I remember were supposed to help you to to you know be a good citizen. Now we we I know that there's civics and then there's our world are something I don't even I not keeping tabs of >> some of the topics I mean some of the courses they do. Yes, I I agree. We still have religious and moral education. But >> uh Johnny, you would agree with me that one of the things we would need to delink >> and and then emphasize when we are talking about discipline is to take out religion >> is one of the things that actually cause a lot of inisipline in our society. And and I say this not with any form of disrespect to our religious leaders.

[00:12:14]>> We we need to build a country where common sense >> works. it prevails >> prevails rather than just religion.

[00:12:22]>> Common sense works well with religion but when common sense is put at the back door and religion takes the front door then you have problems. So yes we we have those topics but I think we still need to do look we have students that are leaving JSS and I'm telling you if you tell them to recite the national pledge they can't >> oh >> they cannot even understand the word of the national pledge. If you don't understand the word of the national pledge, how do you >> represent that particular country? The national anthem, >> just the very words of our national anthem, reiterating this and reminding >> our our students >> what it means to be a Ghanaian, what it means to be a good citizen.

[00:13:03]>> But you see at the end to I don't also blame the students. They are looking at you and I. I'm a politician. I'm radical. They are looking at how I'm behaving. So we we may teach all the kids everything they need to do in the classroom but if they come out >> the reality >> the reality what they hear on the radio what they see on the streets >> becomes different from what they are taught in class. So, so, so we, you, me and everybody listening out there to what we are saying is that the teachers can do their best to train our students.

[00:13:34]But as parents, as brothers and sisters, we also need to reinforce and we also need to live a certain life to give meaning to what they are studying in their classroom.

[00:13:44]>> Yeah. I think that on that score then wouldn't there have to be a national policy towards making sure that we are not just getting them to sit and pass the exam and progress to the next stage which is the second cycle institution beyond but we have a national policy that says that we are making a frantic effort to um give them skills for life for example holiday jobs they are coming out of school they will be home uh Um what about the national policy that says that some apprenticeship some internship even if it's for two weeks somewhere you know with with an institution an establishment you know uh workshop something of that nature to help them.

[00:14:30]They do it in other countries >> for each vacation not for when they are done with the first you know part of their basic education. Can we have a national policy of that sort? Yeah, it's it's something that will be very helpful to the team in you that we want to become employable and skillful for the future and contribute to making Ghana a better place.

[00:14:51]>> Like I said that formative years that's the period you have so much control over that particular individual we are trying to mold. So you can imagine if we have a policy that says that for all our basic level students especially in the JSS when they are on vacation let's find for example let's link them up with the national apprentichip program >> right >> that is running let's say for every two weeks we have certain areas whether they are mechanic shop whether they are whatever shop they are depending on the interest of the person because >> when I was writing BC >> my father >> wanted me to do business.

[00:15:30]>> Okay.

[00:15:31]>> But I have always wanted to be a doctor.

[00:15:33]>> Okay.

[00:15:34]>> So, so, so there had to be that realignment, >> okay, >> between what he wants >> and what you want >> and what I want.

[00:15:40]>> But at that time, you you you only had to be seen. You you nobody wants to hear you.

[00:15:44]>> Nobody wants to listen to you. So, in trying to do all these things, I also say we must realign the skills and knowledge and of that individual against what they also want to do because sometimes parents can be very demanding.

[00:15:58]M >> that hey no we are a family of pharmacist so you two you must be a >> but then doc you see again it comes to another point >> the choice of schools where the parents are supposed to take a very important part of it they often relegate that to uh some teacher in the school who uh pretends to know the children better than the parents do and then when it's time they say advise me So what can I do? And the parent leaves everything to that teacher. And the teacher then now determines the life of the child going forward in terms of the choice of school and the program that they have to pursue in secondary school and beyond. How does that sound to you?

[00:16:45]>> Yeah. So so parenthood for me is is a 24-hour job.

[00:16:50]>> Yes. I mean uh with the current trends parents for example people already have left for work when maybe their kids are still sleeping because they would also need to work to make sure they take care of the kids. So it as a parent you may have to find a certain fine balance between working and then catering for your kids. And Johnny let's remember that >> it's from primary school through to GSS.

[00:17:12]If you are a parent that has a certain interest in how your world is doing. You can see what skills they have. You can see what knowledge they have just by looking even just at their terminal reports.

[00:17:25]>> Yes. Just by looking at their terminal reports and etc. You'll be able to tell.

[00:17:30]So it it should not just be the responsibility of only the teacher to decide that look I've seen that your son or your daughter is good in science so for that matter he'll be a good nurse or for that matter you'll be a good pilot the parent should also be able to see from the records of my child this is what I have noticed from the skills of my child this is what and then you sit with the child and then you can have a very open conversation about this once you leave these decisions to only the teacher.

[00:18:00]>> The teacher >> this is a situation where sometime you find people go through this system and then he becomes something in in future say no this was just for my father this was not mine >> this this was not what I wanted I've done it for my father we've seen people who have gone through law school and finally became musicians >> right >> and they said oh no I just had to do this for my father but my interest was in music so it's it should be a concerted effort it's it's it's a teacher parent state so it's a triangle of events a teacher the teachers are there who play a pivotal role because they spend more time with the children.

[00:18:35]We have the state that is supposed to make facilities available and accessible so that the student can they themselves determine what kind of skills or what kind of knowledge they have and then we have the parent that is going to guide and make sure that all these >> two things the decisions they will make.

[00:18:54]parent serves as a guide and the child becomes that kind of child that we are looking out for that person that is going to contribute in making Ghana a better place.

[00:19:06]>> Thank you very much doc. We're live on Kasm 107.1 FM in Tamale. My guest in studio uh Dr. Abdul Khalik Muhammad Sharif is a member of parliament for Nang. Joining us now is his excellency Kamal Dein Abdalai, deputy national communications director of the MPP.

[00:19:24]Kamal asalamu aalaykum.

[00:19:26]>> Walaykum salam my good brother. How are you?

[00:19:28]>> Ah live alive and well.

[00:19:29]>> How was your weekend?

[00:19:30]>> Ah well I shook >> I heard you saying you were in >> I shook hands with Jana actually. Oh really? And he gave me a smoke and a new title.

[00:19:37]>> Of course I don't know why your producer decided to pay me with my honorable member of parliament.

[00:19:44]>> My honorable member of parliament. Um when I saw the flyer last night I was like oh no if I if I knew this I would.

[00:19:51]>> So that's me in the palace.

[00:19:54]>> Oh great. You were being decorated.

[00:19:56]>> Yes.

[00:19:56]>> Excellent. Excellent.

[00:19:57]>> With a new title as well.

[00:19:58]>> I mean the Jana is one of the generous kings we have. I mean you don't go to this old man without he gifting you something basically. So I mean the bang is great and we just pray for unity for the gong.

[00:20:09]>> Um let me first of all start off by saying good morning to your cherished listeners and also good morning to my honorable member of parliament.

[00:20:16]um Doc, >> I was listening to him on my way here >> and um of course he eloquently and excellently, you know, elucidated what we ought to do as a people >> to develop our lot in terms of education or to develop the youth in terms of education and all that. Um congratulations to all those who went through the BC exam.

[00:20:41]>> Um >> they were actually finished today.

[00:20:43]>> Yeah. Yeah, they will be finishing today. Let's congratulate them. I mean they've gone through they're still going through and um I know that in the Nanton district obviously like he rightly mentioned uh we had some centers one in Tampion one in Nong >> putting together we have over thousand >> plus that's right >> candidates who sat >> and um last week I was here and of course I commended he and the DC >> for and as well as the >> um director of education the education for the young man's job that they did in ensuring that facilities and some assistance was given to um the candidates as it were.

[00:21:25]>> So that's that said I think um >> we are on good course as a people and uh we just need to ensure that we prepare the minds of our young people to face the future. So I I I I could not have agreed more with your producers when they say that look we're going to talk to how well we should prepare our life >> young ones for life. I mean it's so important basically. Um listening to honorable >> he also admitted that some parts >> of the education ought to be strengthened. That's right.

[00:21:57]>> In terms of giving them some skill, in terms of ensuring at least the person as it were comes out and don't just see >> the world as >> you know a place that is going to be difficult for him to fit in or she to fit in or for her to fit in I should say.

[00:22:12]>> Um basically for me I have a problem with our system of education.

[00:22:16]>> Tell me about it. What's your challenge?

[00:22:18]>> You know >> with it. First and foremost, >> we must develop or we must make conscious efforts in developing the STEM education.

[00:22:27]>> Okay, >> science, technology, engineering and mathematics is so important.

[00:22:31]>> In fact, the advanced kids have added art to it. So they do STEM.

[00:22:34]>> When somebody even tells me STEM should start at secondary school, I disagree.

[00:22:39]>> I mean the young person >> who is referred to much more like a table raster. Okay, >> you know it has a clean slate >> can >> absorb whatever you're going to give to that person and that prepares and propels a person into the future. So for me even I think that from primary sex >> when you go to other jurisdictions they even begin from primary one primary two they start teaching them hands on issues to do or things to do >> in China for example >> in China for example so by the time the person moves to junior high school go to high school the person is well equipped as to what to do for I mean to fend for myself as it were we don't do that here I think it is about time >> we have a deliberate policy Okay. As a country that of course will prepare our young ones towards the future. But what it is now like he rightly put it literacy and numeracy is what we actually giving to them and that's just it.

[00:23:36]>> See and we have even introduced some bit even conventional.

[00:23:40]>> Mhm.

[00:23:41]>> Some bit of politics in everything we do even in education. M >> look believe it or not this dooms thing Mhm.

[00:23:50]>> a child will talk to you about it. M >> okay because maybe I would hide my parents talking about it.

[00:23:57]>> This M PP ND sitting a child in six is talking to about it. My daughter, she's in class 4.

[00:24:03]>> She's able to tell me after this my friend her parents are NDC. After this, my friend her I'm telling her is able to say >> yes tells me that >> that she's not my friend. I said why?

[00:24:15]No, the parents are NDC.

[00:24:17]>> You won't believe it.

[00:24:18]>> I I don't I'm finding it.

[00:24:20]>> This is something I'm telling you. And that's the level that's the level of danger we are exposing our kids to. M >> trust me it's a level because like I said they tabular raster they sit with you they listen to your conversation in the hall they know what you do they listen to your mother they you get what I mean so they pick those things >> now when they go to school they try to inculcate that in their conversations >> and draw the line between themselves and that's that's by convention we are introducing something that is so dangerous for the kids so dangerous we are not seeing it Now let's look at the history of BC or JHS.

[00:24:59]>> It started with JSS, >> right?

[00:25:01]>> Or junior secondary school.

[00:25:02]>> That's right.

[00:25:03]>> And I read a bit about it when >> Achono actually started it somewhere in 1978.

[00:25:08]>> Acho move the ID >> got some >> schools to be piloted as junior secondary school. It failed along the line >> until somewhere in 1987 J. Rollins decided that let's bring it back. Mhm.

[00:25:21]>> around 87 when KBS Santi were under education as it were >> and then the first one >> the first day they wrote in 1990 >> and it started 1987 by 1990 they had firstear and then it goes on and on >> and it started with a concept of how can we prepare these kids?

[00:25:41]>> Mhm.

[00:25:42]>> Okay.

[00:25:42]>> For life.

[00:25:43]>> For life.

[00:25:45]>> So like you rightly mentioned technical drawing technical skills we're all And there was there were supposed to be fun school farms at the jes level >> agric science >> agric science >> and you're supposed to do project work >> with this is the you know with all the botanical names whatever show them how you know >> agric is supposed to be handled all these things today no >> we have shelved all those ones and giving way to literacy and numeracy theory even the theory they don't even get it better and the sad part of even the go to our public schools pathetic >> he's from a rural area I'm from a rural area like him he's his constituents I know what is happening go to our schools there recently he was in Nap close to my area to to to to cut sword for a school to build for them >> I must say thanks to the chief of nap >> okay who of course initiated something like that to get a school because the community doesn't even have a school as you say no not sah or something like that okay but of course close to napos as it were >> it tells you that we are still lagging behind >> in terms of infrastructure and not just only the infrastructure the soft >> support that we need to give them proper education is lacking not only in that district I'm talking about all public schools that is why we have parents today preferring >> private schools >> to public schools >> come out since I was made a chief in the north.

[00:27:19]>> Yeah, >> I had opportunity I took interest to visit some of the schools. You get sometimes you get into a classroom, you can find about 100 children in one small classroom.

[00:27:30]>> So teacher student ratio is a problem.

[00:27:32]>> So then I asked the teacher how do you teach them? Look, they just come they pretend to work. Let's let's live call is paid is paid. Go to our community.

[00:27:40]He's an MP. He's been going around. He knows what is happening. 3 FM >> when I go to Zo and look at the conditions of >> under which my students at the public schools teach I mean learn >> it's pathetic >> when you go to some of the villages it's pathetic >> there's even a community Moya Mo doesn't have a school >> and the thing is is constituency >> moa after then you move on there they don't even have a school the kids have to cross a stream so when it rains no school for them to come to do for school >> that's a serious You understand? I mean I'm I'm the public sector schooling look governments not just only this government upon government have not been too deliberate >> but you see >> that is why I sometime commend when >> since 19 2008 there about when he tried to become president he kept on saying look let's do free SHs let's do free come come out you see >> the public schools used to be the norm.

[00:28:40]Yeah. But >> private schools used to be the exception.

[00:28:43]>> Absolutely.

[00:28:43]>> So that if I went to a typical SaitTo school, >> you see >> so you find people who say I went to a public school for example.

[00:28:53]He attended the same saitto with my father government boy school and they later went to ro road proper boys even though their parents had money.

[00:29:02]>> Wow.

[00:29:03]>> That was the system then. What? How did we move away from that to now prefer private school?

[00:29:10]>> The big the big question on the big conversation.

[00:29:13]>> How did we how did that change?

[00:29:16]>> What is the problem? So are we not going is it not important for us now for our MPs to relocate it >> call for educational reforms. See how we can strengthen the public schools. Look in the US with my my brother's travels.

[00:29:28]I travel >> go to the US the public schools are more stronger.

[00:29:31]>> Yeah.

[00:29:32]>> Stronger at the base. Especially at the base level. It is even at the top colleges where you can get privates you understand but when it comes to the base primary >> okay coming up trust me the public schools don't I shock you most of the private schools the very good ones that are running um were engineered or started by people who went to public schools in the past >> headmasters teachers >> in the past >> you would see somebody who is educated who is trained under training college after instead of giving back his righty the person to set up his own school >> that's what happens >> and then they strengthen the private schools at the what expense of the public schools look if we really want to serve equity >> as a country it is important we look at our system of education again >> because not all parents have money to take these kids through private schools >> okay not all of us it is important they look at the base and anyone like honorable said if we get it wrong in the beginning obviously you will not get it right at the top it will really be very difficult so so I think that yes the BC not to to land it is important that we train our kids >> at that level >> to face the world why until the inception of free >> SHs >> you see kids on the streets with shoe shine boxes >> oh come on please >> yes until I'm I'm look today you go out there and do research. Those dudes who shan are Nigerians, not Ghanaians again.

[00:31:07]>> Oh, are you serious?

[00:31:08]>> Yes, I am telling you. Look, this is a fact. I've been deliberate about it. I checked >> and we collected a research.

[00:31:16]>> You conducted a research on it.

[00:31:18]>> Look, do a random check when you go out today. It's a it's an exercise and this is a credible immediate house.

[00:31:24]>> Do it. Until the inception >> of free SHs, we had M boys from Mong with all respect from the people from Mong boys from the region. Boys from where they were doing sunshine.

[00:31:37]>> When you ask them school parents in secondary school, >> this were their reason chains. People were send dock chains on the street. Find out >> and say this is a serious matter until the inception of frees which actually has per Ghana off this. That's why we should give so much credit to au and the NP government. We are always forward thinkers as a party.

[00:31:59]>> We always tend to ensure that this country >> how did this become a political convers look if a man does something good >> give it to that person >> nobody has said he has not done anything >> that is why I'm saying that a policy has come to change the paradigm >> that we know >> but but the free SHs will be fed by the basic school and we have all admitted to the challenges of the basic school. So why are we migrating this conversation now to >> I am saying that whether we like it or not this is a test >> check it today >> kids who are going around or young ones going around doing s shine today >> are not Ghanaians >> most of them are Nigerians now >> okay >> I speak impeccable French and I interact with them >> just to know but I'm saying that free SHs cured that >> so I expected of course this government to do more in education they have not also left led by my brother Harono. They also doing their best, you understand, to keep it up. But of course, who has started it? How did they start it? What was the thinking? What was actually going to be the rippling effect of bringing in this?

[00:33:05]>> This has been positive.

[00:33:06]>> But but Kamal, >> yeah, >> if you are looking at the historical perspective >> under Dr. Ankruma, people went to school for free.

[00:33:15]>> For sure.

[00:33:16]>> People went to secondary school.

[00:33:18]>> It wasn't everybody. Under Dr. on Kuma there was what we call the privileged should pay the fees and then the less privileged in this case northern part of Ghana were actually not given because the idea was and all so so fine but but why for the people to go free he did the holistic it was >> but but when you started the >> he made a holistic people said it was not going >> when you started the GSS conversation when you said they said it was not going to when you started the GS it was a 419 they even Samsung you said you said that you said that GSS was piloted by somebody.

[00:33:50]>> Yes. by it failed and then you go why don't you talk about free SHs then you leave the encrum bit and you just come and talk about >> unless unless you don't want to let's have an intellectual trade and that's exactly what I'm intellectual >> I've not made any statement here that is not factual >> it is a fact that free SHS in the contemporary times was actually initiated by Nana Adamu and the NP administration fact >> okay >> free SHS John Ramani Mahama was on record. He's on record, right? I should say to stand he was at atos he said if he had money >> worth over 2 billion Ghana he won't budget it for free >> SHs >> he's on record to have said that he poo pooed it >> lean is late now late poo pooed it the people even match NDC here >> they were matching free SHs 419 >> today they are using it their budget today in fact is about 3 something billion you should be happy said I'm happy they said they will not even invest 2 billion in it >> through their own president. Today they are investing over 3.7 billion in it. So I'm telling you that look we need forward thinkers. We need people who think about this country.

[00:35:01]>> Okay. I hear you. Let me bring Doc in so we wrap up on this conversation.

[00:35:05]>> Yes. Of course. Yes.

[00:35:07]>> Journey. So you see >> my my my good brother >> microphone please.

[00:35:11]>> My my good brother. I I I I didn't want us to go on this.

[00:35:16]>> That's why I was asking him how this became a political conversation.

[00:35:20]to be policies are >> free free compulsory basic education is not the brainchild of anyone is the brainchild of the constitution of Ghana >> that is different for free >> SHs allow allow him allow him he kept quiet for you allow him please >> free compulsive >> fq it's it's it's the brainchild of the constitution of the republic of Ghana >> and then there was nowhere anybody >> was saying that free shs was bad but There was an issue that we said that if it is us, we will not implement it the way you are doing >> and this was very clear. We're saying that do it in a systematic and in a realistic way so that it does not affect teaching and learning. When they did it the way they did with double track, double track, triple track, red, green, yellow, what was the performance of the students?

[00:36:16]>> What were the students sleeping? We're saying that look we had a structure >> if you want to do free senior high school means that you wanted to increase enrolls you wanted to increase enrollment if you are increasing enrollment at St. Thomas Aquinas and you don't have enough classroom blocks there. You don't have enough dometries.

[00:36:35]What were you going to do?

[00:36:36]>> Access and quality.

[00:36:37]>> Exactly. So the basic concept of the NDC was that let's have access and let's have quality. They just said they wanted access and I'm I'm surprised at his excellency that he has done research >> to show.

[00:36:50]>> Yeah. He said you heard him shoe shoe maker shoe shine boys.

[00:36:54]>> Let's let's stop these jokes.

[00:36:56]>> No, it's not a joke.

[00:36:58]>> Come on. Come on. Come on.

[00:36:59]He was very quiet. He kept quiet for you. I I think that we should I I kept look >> even as he said today >> with free SHS with access and increasing of quality and everything. Look, we still have issues of enrollment. We still have Ghanaian children. Johnny, if you want, just take this road from here until you get to you find still kids >> that are on the streets of Ghana. And that should be of concern to he and then to me.

[00:37:31]>> And that's basic school children.

[00:37:33]>> People people still leave school. People do not have look you change the curriculum of the basic schools.

[00:37:40]>> For 3 years there was no books for the students to learn.

[00:37:43]>> Right?

[00:37:44]>> Is that not the case? Is that is that is that the quality of the education we're looking at? So look, I am saying that and you remember what I said. I said that successive governments have contributed to making our educational system what it is today.

[00:38:00]>> That's right.

[00:38:01]>> And I am not going to walk away from that fact. But you see, let's not create a certain impression that a certain new concept came all the way from Mars and it was dropped onto us and then all of a sudden it solved the problem. Look, he's he's aware. Did free sh stop the in the in the four eight years of their government. Did they solve the problems?

[00:38:24]>> No, the problems >> are the problems solved even as we sit today.

[00:38:27]>> No, you cannot say that >> today as we sit. Then let me remind him his excellency. If it's the issue of infrastructure in the last one year, >> each of the 261 district in Ghana has had one kindergarten, one ghs, one primary.

[00:38:44]He was saying mo there's no school. But I'll tell you there was no JSS between Mo and Jean but thanks to his excellency children who were walking more than 10 kilometers to access JSS in my constituency today there's a JSS block that is being built there >> is being built not >> no this is what I'm saying so 261 261 * 3 >> this year the same formula is being used but are we saying that because we have built say over all those number of schools are Are we saying that we have solved the problems of our educational system? We cannot say that. We are not saying that free SHs was bad. I will still say it. We're saying that the processes leading to its implementation was what we were totally against. We are saying that those processes were saying we could have done it in a much more better way to improve the skills. It's not just access we're looking at. We're also looking at the quality.

[00:39:40]>> Quality. Okay. All right. Thank you very much. We're live on Kesley 107.1 FM in Tamal. This is the big conversation here on Sunrise on 3 FM 92.7. My name is Johnny Hughes. The MPP has announced uh a list of committees that will work towards their victory in 2028. We'll get into that conversation right after this.

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[00:44:06]When malaria strikes I don't know if you have followed um the MPP and how we actually go about >> um mooting the ideas of how to put up our campaigns >> um since 1992. when we have a flag bearer in place um the flag bearer is tasked to ensure that his campaign team I mean that is done in conjunction with the party executive anyway >> um is set up as it were what we have now is not necessarily the campaign team no >> so the there shouldn't be this erroneous impression out there that we are setting up a campaign team that's not yet what it is >> the constitution mandates the national executive to set up what we call standing committees right >> just like when You have in under corporate governance you may have a board and under the board the board will have some committees even parliament you also have committees as it were. So basically the constitution of the new petic party mandates us when you look at article 10 of the constitution to set up standing committees.

[00:48:46]>> Okay. So exactly what we did was >> the last I was in the meeting myself >> what we did was to set up the standing committees.

[00:48:53]>> Okay.

[00:48:53]>> And a lot of considerations go into there. We look at the future stance of Kamal. Where will Kamal be going? Will Kamal be available? Will this person be available? Will A all these things ought to be done before names are even churned out because they may put you >> in a particular committee and your your interest is at variance with that particular committee. So you may be busy somewhere and all this thing ought to be done. So I think what we did was to first of all heed to what the constitution said and then set up the standing committees. In this case there's organizational committee, the strategic committee, the communication committee, policy. I mean all those we set up that but what we have as sector committees emanates usually from the flag bearers outfit.

[00:49:32]>> Okay.

[00:49:33]>> Again he does that in consultation with the national council and national he doesn't do it on I mean alone.

[00:49:40]So the sector committees normally look at a structure on how we can come out with policies which eventually may be drafted into a manifesto.

[00:49:49]>> Okay, >> you get what I mean? So basically if you're talking of local government, you have a committee, they may come with ideas, then later on they will find or they shape them into maybe a manifesto foreign affairs we may do that >> okay um energy whatever. So we have all these committees. It's just to prepare your mind towards public service because you are going to be voted for by 10 years and you ought to have a structure put in place that when you are voted for you're not taken by surprise. You're not ambushed. You have so exactly that we did the last time. That's why I'm surprised it's a conversation here but of course it's good for clarity to be given as great great education but but the the big conversation here is that >> all those who contested Dr. Balmia have accepted to play a role in this structure.

[00:50:31]>> It has always been the case in MP actually. We've always had that you know let me tell you human for politics it goes with emotions sometime >> why do I say it goes with emotions sometime you are a human being >> even a contest between you and your wife at home as to what should we cook >> okay sometime becomes a worry let me say why do I say a worry maybe your wife wins today we're going to do fufu maybe your interest was maybe rice balls >> because she has been able to advance superior arguments and fufu has you know >> won won >> naturally >> you'll be a bit down because you didn't get what you want that's politics and politics also come with same so if I contested with Johnny >> it is just fair that I wanted to win >> but I did not win >> so there I would have to inculcate in or bring in sportsmanship in the game >> even though emotionally I am down but I have to come back to see how we can serve a collective interest in this case which is the party so when you look at our >> primaries that we've always had presidential primaries from 92 till date the four days when we had the great alliance in 1996 then to 2000 and all that 2000 for instance look look >> was like do and die affair >> that's right >> 1998 >> if you follow the history of >> m >> a lot it wasn't easy to the extent that people thought that was not going to support in the campaign >> that's right >> but hey he came back by 1999 after that he announced in himself again that look I am ready and poised to support our candidate we have chosen and that's exactly what has happened. So Japon >> who contested is on board >> my brother Brian Chong who contested is on board. Okay Japon is on board is on board all of them are on board and I said they go on the sector committees as co-chairs or advisers to see how we can ship policies to help this party as it were. So that's exactly what we did.

[00:52:27]>> Doc, what do you have to say about this?

[00:52:29]>> Um um um first and foremost um I would say that um every country needs a credible opposition to keep the government in check to make sure that the government delivers on its promises.

[00:52:43]So for so for us from the NDC is always good >> when we see that the NP tries its best to be that credible opposition that we are looking out for. No, nobody really wants a one state uh Ghana party, one party Ghana, one party state. But but um I'll just want us to go back a little bit, Johnny. You see, I was saying that NP presidential primaries from 1992 and how it went. But this particular presidential primaries was different from the rest. It was a reverse order.

[00:53:14]>> Mhm.

[00:53:15]>> Because usually what they did was that like any of the political party we have, you start from the branches and then you go up. But because there was a candidate already that they determined predeter Oh, >> okay. Go ahead. Sorry.

[00:53:29]>> There was a predetermined candidate.

[00:53:30]>> Oh, but there was a contest.

[00:53:32]>> No, there was no contest. People came to ensure >> Mhm.

[00:53:37]>> that the predetermined candidate was not going to be that candidate. But it wasn't a it was a selection, not an election.

[00:53:44]>> And Johnny, there's a difference between elections and selection.

[00:53:47]>> The candidate was selected already. And to make sure that that candidate goes through, they had to reverse the order and that's what creates the confusion.

[00:53:58]>> That's what creates the confusion. And look, I always say, look, it's fine. Um, I said the last time Dr. Bomia took NP to an election where they lost almost with 1.5 million votes. M >> I mean in the in the in the beauty of politics and everything if the N P N P N P N P N P N P N P N P N P N P N P still believes that he's the best man to lead them into the next election, is it not good for us? And then let's watch the committee for you is good for us.

[00:54:25]>> Well, how is it? But if you went into a contest with a flag bearer who lost as much as 1.5 million votes >> and then you don't allow this same flag bearer to go through the necessary and right competitive way of being chosen, you reverse the order to make that particular candidate a favorite to win.

[00:54:46]So all of a sudden you see my brother is here. I'm going I said today I'm going to talk for him.

[00:54:52]>> He's here >> but he can speak for himself.

[00:54:54]>> No, no, let me speak for him. what I'm going to say he he cannot say because let me talk for him because I want him to be the parliamentary candidate for Nan you know because at the last election his his opponent I mean the one he contested with in the primaries I think he in the primaries he beat his excellency just with two votes >> don't know no it was it was 10 votes per 10 yes so about 10 votes that how he lost the last primary primaries and you know what he worked hard I'll show you a certain picture Look this man, there was one campaign thing they went. If you had seen honorable Kamala, he was in the Sahara desert. His shoes, EVERYTHING WAS VERY, VERY DUSTY. He worked hard. He campaigned hard. But you know what? Even up to today, they said this man, he didn't vote for the NPO. So today, you see he's running to Tamil and going back. You know why he's running? Because any branch executive that shows interest in Kamal's bit to become a candidate.

[00:55:51]Ah, they say no. will take your name out.

[00:55:54]>> Oh, out of the album.

[00:55:56]>> Out of the That's why I'm SAYING I'M TALKING FROM WHERE from where from you can't be serious about telling you.

[00:56:01]That's why I'm saying I'm going to talk for him because you see the other candidate I flawed him already. That's a dead go. We don't want to talk. Let's get a better competition with myself and his excellency. You see, that's for the other candidate. So you're saying that anybody who comes to say that I want to support Kamal his name is from the but that's that's that's not what the NPV does.

[00:56:23]>> This is what is happening to him. He cannot cry.

[00:56:25]>> I am here so I'll respond to what he say. So don't worry.

[00:56:27]>> He cannot come on. If you say this thing and go home your people doctor was talking for you and you are changing this. Look this is the fact >> that look just like the way >> h the flag bearer was chosen there are certain areas that there are certain favorite candidates already or certain people feel that they are kingmakers nanong is one of them and he's suffering he won't say though me I will talk for him look >> so general what we are saying is that we want a credible opposition >> we want a an opposition that can stand up to the government and keep the government on it to the NP they have gone through the primates they are now doing uh the branch elections through to get national executives etc as a political party we wish them well >> but if you look at the committee's journey >> look at the names that are co-chairing and everything >> from the finance to energy what new thing are they bringing the same set of people that led them to the most gruesome defeat in the history of Ghana Johnny they are the same people that in this committee what is new >> the best in the morning >> Dr. I mean, my uncle >> finance everything >> inflation was >> 23%.

[00:57:48]>> Is that not the case?

[00:57:49]>> But he took over from somebody when the thing was already >> 23%.

[00:57:54]Inflation >> is noted.

[00:57:58]>> What was the state of our education when he was leaving?

[00:58:01]>> Oh, really?

[00:58:02]>> What was it?

[00:58:04]>> You didn't see. I'm saying that >> I should do a scan >> the same set problems that confronted Ghana 2 years ago.

[00:58:17]>> Put in one set again. What new thing is coming?

[00:58:23]>> Come on.

[00:58:23]>> Yeah.

[00:58:24]>> First talk about the album is first of all let me speak to it. I mean quickly so we can solve >> and whatever happens in the party I am a beneficiary >> or if you like um I should be part of it >> um yes that is that may be the observation he has I don't I can't fault him for his opinion >> but what I do know is that it has always been my principle >> that I don't meddle in polling stations elections >> okay >> I do not >> because the truth is that look >> check the history of people who build albums so-cal building album by themselves M >> they usually struggle in the end.

[00:59:01]>> Okay. And he knows my constituency very well. They in communities >> and mixed community we seem to know each other properly.

[00:59:08]>> Okay. So when I decide to come and meddle into what they doing want to say put this put in Mr. A don't put Mr. B I end up crashing heads in the community.

[00:59:19]>> In the most likely event that I become the candidate I would need everybody to work for me. So what I say is that look, leave it to the community. Let the community decide.

[00:59:29]>> Whoever becomes whatever for me.

[00:59:31]>> So you see nothing. That's what I'm saying. So I'm to answer his question.

[00:59:34]Anybody on the album, >> I have no choice. Everybody is my man.

[00:59:38]Okay.

[00:59:39]>> That's how I see it. But but see, let me let me quickly answer this to him and let him know this. Maybe he's forgotten his recent history. Mhm.

[00:59:45]>> And I have to remind honorable when John Mama in 2016 >> as a sitting president >> contested with he lost abyism >> to the extent that he described his party as a lame horse.

[01:00:01]>> Maybe he's where did he take it? He I can show it to you. I am I am we are trying to I am a student of political communication and so I'm so I'll show it to you. Don't worry as a to the extent that he described his party as a lame horse that he rode a lame horse into the election >> he lost. Oh I will show it to you. Don't worry I'll prove it to you now. That's how I am. I don't normally so you see so he's forgotten his recent his past history. No.5 million.

[01:00:29]>> They just won.

[01:00:31]>> They just won. So you know they're enjoying the goodwill. So but the margin the margins speak for themselves don't over 1 something million votes he also lost >> check it >> but but your defeat is the biggest >> to the extent that he got 44% >> but I'm saying that >> that was what he got he got 44% in that election >> but but I'm saying that I'm saying that after that after that after that why today where is where is he >> oh he he's where he's supposed to be >> every single person who was aligned to atamos >> John Muhammad's boss cut out in the party >> the the question he asked is that >> I am saying that every single person aligned to Atamos cut out in the party because he he chastised them he vilified them he said they rode he they made him I mean right wrong so we can move to the housing conversation the question he asked is that >> the same set of people >> who led you into the defeat >> the same set of people you have constituted into these committees >> with a great respect how many times how many times did they repeat John Ramani Mama.

[01:01:34]>> Let's be fact. Let's be factual. That's he has forgotten his own history. How many times did they repeat a non-performing candidate?

[01:01:42]>> Many muham won an election >> by by virtue of he won an election by virtue of by virtue of divine design.

[01:01:52]>> He became the president >> by virtue of divine design.

[01:01:56]>> Not by the elections of the >> first first >> he became the president when the demise of Atamos happened. That's what I mean by virtue of divine design.

[01:02:03]>> He became the president >> right >> 3 months down the line 2012 >> or 6 months he won an election >> by 2016 where we actually entrusted the management of this economy into his hands. What did we see?

[01:02:16]>> He lost.

[01:02:17]>> He just didn't lose. Why did he lose?

[01:02:19]>> Why did >> he performed abysmally?

[01:02:22]>> Okay, >> you know everybody knows where our economy was. Everybody knows whatever was happening under his comparable comparable to I am saying I am would go he never went through any international crisis in terms of what um pandemics and all that. He never had global crisis but look he incompetently >> handled the economy of Ghana to the extent the Ghanaians were so angry. Who brought the the term doo >> he dorized this country? It was from 201ization of this economy started with Dom from 2013, 2014, 2015. It was a night people were dying.

[01:03:09]>> Okay.

[01:03:09]>> But how did Dr. Ba then come and conclude in 2017 that >> Doomsa was fixed but they cannot take credit for it?

[01:03:16]>> No, I'm talking about who started a Doom. Who brought the problem himself?

[01:03:19]He brought the problem. He has forgotten about it. Now, now, now, now where are we today? I'm not surprised that again when I was coming I listened to you that in Tamal the lights went off on off on on until you board your plane and you saw the energy in and you were worried and then when you were entering Ara around 7 something look let me tell you anybody who sits in the plane and you see lights you can see lights all over you can't determine that some areas are off or not off what you have seen was just what your vision can give you >> but I'm saying dooms is still on because the doom is sitting there he brought doom >> are you creating an impression or what >> no it's not an impression that's what it is >> okay I hear you. Anyway, >> so Johnny, it's fine. You see, I I so >> I'm saying that look look it it is okay.

[01:04:01]>> Mhm.

[01:04:02]>> We are saying >> Mhm.

[01:04:05]>> Dr. Ba is a candidate.

[01:04:07]>> He was a head of the economic management team.

[01:04:09]>> Yes.

[01:04:10]>> There were hair cuts for our old people.

[01:04:13]>> People died because they couldn't buy hypertensive drug diabetes drugs.

[01:04:16]>> They went and dug the pit of sin.

[01:04:20]>> Which which is that one?

[01:04:21]>> Oh, that's a cathedral. It's a pit of sin. Okay.

[01:04:24]>> Yeah, that is a pit of sin.

[01:04:26]>> Ghanaians saw how they rule with the arrogance of power. I remember I always tell my people the people of >> At least we didn't cry in church. I tell them something.

[01:04:36]>> We didn't cry in churches like you are doing today.

[01:04:38]>> Crying is not arrogant. Arrogance is when a president goes and sees chief sitting there say get up and greet me.

[01:04:45]The pharaoh has arrived. That is >> arrogant is insulting all charis but is arrogance. That's arrogant.

[01:04:52]I tell I tell so I tell that's why you found a chief of staff that's the need for me I'm saying the >> same set problem same set problems and Ghanaians have seen the difference look they have banned on this dooms issue and I can tell you we have said that it was a transient issue Johnny in your house >> has the power situation not improved >> the people living out there >> just last night had lifestyle. If you look, if you look at the deficit that was left in terms of debt in the energy sector from them, for them history, look from them and we are fixing the problem.

[01:05:36]We have time we are fixing the problems we wish them well and for my brother Kamal like I'm saying for the people in my constituency that are fixing names to ensure that he does not become the parliamentary candidate. I am telling you for me nothing like that who is MP like I said as for the first candidate she >> head on the ground already please kindly bring kamal so that we'll bring the competition >> you want a tougher a tougher one >> well well anyway this is an unsolicited unsolicited support he's giving me anyway but >> that bondo is supporting >> an unsolicited support anyway It's 38 minutes after 9 on 3 FM 92.7.

[01:06:30]Now >> I wanted to give you the housing.

[01:06:32]>> Hold on. Disia >> STX >> is the the new one on the block. H we know about Saglemi. We know about Bman.

[01:06:40]Now the question we're asking is can Ghana trust another major housing promise? Doc, let me start with you. Why are you reinventing the wheel?

[01:06:49]>> Well, um, for me, I would say that housing is a very critical issue for everyone. Every Ghanaian >> 3 minutes each for you.

[01:06:59]>> Every Ghanaian deserves decent accommodation with good facilities like sanitation, >> sunrise on 3 FM, the best in the morning, a housing deficit of almost 1.8 to 2 million. But interestingly, we have dwellings of about 1.3 million that are not being taken care of. And you know the reason because some of our I mean our estates developers are going into >> highriced buildings that the ordinary Ghanaian cannot be able to to afford.

[01:07:33]Look, we have rent control rules that are not being applied. people are asking for for advance for 2 years, 3 years, making it difficult for the ordinary Ghanaian to be able to um get accommodation. Look, that's the reason why government needs to step in and over the years government has done a lot in terms of uh making sure that we get some affordable housing for for for our people. Look, Sagle is there and I know it came through. We were expecting about 5,000 unit later on it went to about 1,500 I mean so many legal castles but at the end of the day as I speak to you at the last visit of her excellency the vice president to the ministry of housing we're told that look right now as we speak we have things at the attorney general's office we have had uh investors private people who are interested in making sure that we complete that particular project last week the president was in Kumasi that is coming up and then it is to ensure I mean that they they are saying they can deliver about 224 by the second quarter of 2027 to make sure that look that the housing needs of our people are catered for. Look teachers, nurses etc. the ordinary Ghanaian deserves to have a place that you can go home, you sleep, have a good sleep and you can come back to work to contribute to the development of this country. So I'll say to use >> sagl >> as a case study and say that look we should not contribute will be a tragedy.

[01:09:03]>> We would have to learn from the sagle issue which we have learned already and then we improve upon it like we are doing with the dates one and I think that governments over the period of time have all contributed in improving our housing deficit but like I said we still have about 1.8 million. We still have people go to um um um the market, see how people live there. Go through our streets, see how people are putting up makeshift structures. So so so housing is critical for me. It even becomes at a certain point a national security risk because if people are putting up makeshift structures all around the place and then we are not knowing who lives and what happens then it creates a lot of problem. So Sagle I don't want to go into the detail. So why are we bringing in did this if we have not finished Sagle? No but but Johnny this one these are separate locations one is in the one is in two like I'm saying telling you one we took over office proposals were taken certain TDC for example has come through for some of the projects so I mean work is being done and like I said um from the ministry of housing we have the documents from the attorney general's office for advice to see how best the government will partner with the private companies to make sure that it is completed look when those yeah those buildings standing and not being made use of for me >> for me personally it is not the best thing for any of us and we should ensure that look all those things are put >> the is >> I think I think once again NDC is it again I mean for them they have never delivered on their promise >> the best >> it started with STX >> and now the president of the republic of Ghana then the vice president stood in parliament to tell us that I mean to call Ghanaians is Baloni.

[01:10:50]>> Oh, >> when when it Oh, yes. Check it. Check the history. You see, he started baloney. That was >> When did he call them that?

[01:10:56]>> Yes. Where did he call >> I'll tell you >> when they came to argue for sovereign guarantee in parliament in 2010 >> to support the XTS Korea, XTS Ghana deal for housing.

[01:11:08]>> That was when the comment was made because of the collateral that they wanted us to use.

[01:11:12]>> He thought it was baloney for us to say that we shouldn't collateralize our oil for such a project. But does that mean he called the people baloney?

[01:11:19]>> If you said it was people who are against it, they were baloney. That's what >> check it. But I want to tell you that STX failed under them. They booted the idea. Got Professor Mills of blessed memory to go to Tesano.

[01:11:32]>> Mhm.

[01:11:33]>> Cut salt just like John Muhammad did at this one.

[01:11:36]>> Just like bought him.

[01:11:38]>> He went I'm saying that cut sword. Oh, wait. Went to cut sword >> and it never materialized. But you are both guilty.

[01:11:47]>> The late the late Bur even said that if >> XTS is not realized he will resign from politics and indeed >> they helped him resign from politics but he did not. Only God called him. But point I'm trying to make is that STS was a nightmare.

[01:12:03]>> It was a housing project under the NDC.

[01:12:06]>> Then that actually metamorphosed when it didn't work they brought in the idea of segment. M >> segment was started in 2012 where segment >> up to this segment is still there >> nothing has been done to the extent that they have come back and only go the best they can do for Ghana is to file a nal prosecu >> when over $200 million is lost to Ghana >> that's what is happening now I mean my brother has not read it you see sometimes so when I hear about this when I hear about some of these things I actually look I sit down and say until it's done >> because the NDC will come with set of beautiful lofty ideas great promises But once again they will promise not to deliver. Professor man stood in parliament in 2010 on his son address to say that my vice president is in Korea >> to nail the coffin for STS.

[01:12:54]>> Indeed they nailed the coffin by killing it but so also became good for people to milk from Ghana >> and today people come there projects that Nad sought for bought man as well.

[01:13:09]You As for housing, housing this housing is I'm happy. I've asked you about man and >> I'll tell you why. Yeah. As for housing, we did what we could do best.

[01:13:20]>> What did you do? Tell me. No, no, no.

[01:13:22]Please allow me to have you.

[01:13:24]>> First of all, first of all, go to Kumasi and see what we did. We use state housing to do >> under MP.

[01:13:31]>> Affordable housing.

[01:13:33]>> Come to Adenta. Just don't go far.

[01:13:34]Afford. Yes. Go and see.

[01:13:36]>> Affordable to who? I'm saying go and see and the MP >> affordable to who?

[01:13:41]>> Go to Kumasi again and see what we did for the judges.

[01:13:44]>> Affordable to COME OUT LOOK APARTMENTS ARE NOT FOR SALE.

[01:13:48]>> It's not you see a fora housing they cannot compare their records to us BECAUSE OF THEY ONLY come and no wonder they come looking for let us spend money come out and it's nothing.

[01:13:59]>> Come on let's be fair over 200 million is gone. Come on let's be fair to our listeners are working free. Come on, let's be fair to the attorney general is in prosecu all over.

[01:14:09]>> Come on, let's be fair to let's be fair to our listeners. No, let's be fair to our listeners.

[01:14:13]>> Yes.

[01:14:14]>> Judges houses, >> but we're talking about affordable housing security houses. STS was supposed to come out. Can I can I can I ask my question?

[01:14:24]>> Can I come on? Can I ask my question?

[01:14:27]>> I'm allowed you to speak. Go ahead. Go ahead. I'm saying that if you construct houses for judges and policemen and what have you, they are not for the ordinary man. I cannot go and stay in a judges quarters.

[01:14:36]>> When we talk of housing deficit in this country, >> no, that's not what we are talking. No, no, no, no. Come on. Don't >> Did you listen to President John Muhammad speech?

[01:14:44]>> No. No. Don't.

[01:14:46]Don't throw me a red speech when he was running.

[01:14:49]>> No, you are not ready to answer my question. You are not ready. And I'm talking about it. Did you listen to his speech?

[01:14:53]>> You are not ready to answer my question.

[01:14:55]No, you and Come on. No, dog. Wrap up for me. You are not answering. No, you're not answering my question. If you are not answering my question, you have no problem. I don't think I promise. No, but I'm saying that >> what we are talking about is affordable housing for the citizenry.

[01:15:11]>> And I'm saying that on what occasion and kufur was completed >> which part?

[01:15:23]>> Oh, you've not gone to BMA housing.

[01:15:24]>> Which part?

[01:15:25]>> You didn't see the housing and the affordable and affordable to to who?

[01:15:29]>> The the same concept of segment sitting in BMA to who? the affordable >> the same concept of is import I I would say even if you look at the segment issue is in BMA some were completed even in >> sunrise on 3 FM >> is that not the case in the morning wait some were completed I'm just telling you that even in some were completed and if it's about shortcutting and things not being done >> h the the h They wal before you get there that dam what is it called?

[01:16:06]>> Damalu dam.

[01:16:08]>> Multi-purpose dam >> 12 million.

[01:16:10]>> What?

[01:16:11]>> No. Wait.

[01:16:12]>> BUT THEY'VE COME TO SAY WAIT. Nobody nobody has ever said if it's about if it's about cutting and things not being done.

[01:16:21]>> The cathedral of sin.

[01:16:22]>> Let's not let I'm coming.

[01:16:24]>> They said I'm coming. Wait. I'm just giving you examples. You are talking about >> and then things not being done and money being spent. So, so anyway in conclusion what I'm saying is that government over the period of time it's it's the responsibility of government let's not miss this we can do the politics of it and everything to gain political point but for me at the end of the day the ordinary Ghanaian that's listening to you me and his excellency this morning what they want to see is that secular is completed is completed is completed and that is what the government of gentlemen is the deputy national communication director of the MPP Dr. Abdul Khalik Muhammad Sharif is the member of parliament for Nantang. Gentlemen, thank you very much indeed for spending your money with me. I appreciate you deeply.

[01:17:11]>> Thanks for having us.