The Bin Laden Operation: A Version of a Closed-Door Decision — Krapivnik & Odessky

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[00:00:00]as he passed, gave a little nod like he said hello and kept going.

[00:00:07]Well, he was being polite.

[00:00:11]You go to any club, any scene to get noticed.

[00:00:15]You do not have to be a supermodel. You should be with two girls.

[00:00:21]When you are with two girls, everyone pays attention because people start thinking, "What kind of weirdo is that?

[00:00:29]Like he must have really cool friends."

[00:00:32]You know, it is just some kind of mystique.

[00:00:35]mystery So, he walked over and got into the limousine.

[00:00:42]Literally about 5 minutes later, a taxi pulled up.

[00:00:45]They were standing on the right in a semicircle by the driveway.

[00:00:50]And his limousine was parked there.

[00:00:53]Then one pulled up on the left. The left door opened and this guy hopped out.

[00:00:59]About 35, medium height, blonde, curly, kind of handsome, you know.

[00:01:08]His door opened.

[00:01:10]I saw Obama open it. His arm was in a shirt with the sleeves rolled up.

[00:01:15]So, that guy sat down there in the backseat. We were watching.

[00:01:21]I looked at my friend. He was calm.

[00:01:23]Like we are waiting. So, when Obama looked at you and did that little blink, did he wink at you?

[00:01:30]Or maybe he was with you, too? No, no.

[00:01:32]He was just being polite.

[00:01:36]Because we were standing there, he passed by, just nodded, said hello, and moved on.

[00:01:43]It was just politeness, you know.

[00:01:46]But, I think he remembered me because later he got back at me. I will tell that later. Well, tell United States what happened next. Tell it now. All right. Then the rear windows opened.

[00:01:59]And I saw smoke coming out.

[00:02:02]And you could tell because I know what crack smells like.

[00:02:08]Oh, not crack.

[00:02:09]>> Ooh. Not weed. But specifically crack.

[00:02:14]>> Yes.

[00:02:15]>> And then >> [clears throat] >> like 30 to 40 minutes passed, I guess.

[00:02:22]That guy came out.

[00:02:24]Another car pulled up, a civilian one this time.

[00:02:29]Like a sport utility vehicle.

[00:02:32]Well, it had government plates.

[00:02:34]They pulled up.

[00:02:35]That guy stepped out looking kind of rough.

[00:02:39]He looked worn.

[00:02:42]None of that shine left.

[00:02:45]He came out like that.

[00:02:47]He got into that and well, drove off.

[00:02:51]And Obama left about 3 minutes after him. The cavalcade left and my buddy stayed and we went for a walk. So, what is the point?

[00:02:58]He was telling We asked him.

[00:03:02]And he says, "What? You did not know?" I said, "No." Well, he is gay. I mean being gay is one thing.

[00:03:09]But crack, you know, smoking crack, that is the lowest of the low.

[00:03:13]>> Yeah. That is >> It is basically a drug of black people.

[00:03:16]>> It is not only black people. I knew white people who smoked it. It is just a drug from the absolute bottom.

[00:03:22]>> White people who smoke it are white trash. Yeah, yeah. Of course, that is abnormal.

[00:03:26]>> That is the bottom, the absolute >> That is the very bottom.

[00:03:31]So, they took a hit.

[00:03:33]I tried it once, too. It rips your head off. You fly into space.

[00:03:37]But it only holds for 10 seconds.

[00:03:40]15 at most.

[00:03:42]And then you have to do it again.

[00:03:45]It is very greedy.

[00:03:47]You just chase it, chase it, chase it.

[00:03:50]Your eyes go crazy.

[00:03:52]It is a madhouse.

[00:03:55]I tried it once just like I tried heroin when I was in captivity.

[00:04:00]Once was enough for me.

[00:04:03]It is a disaster.

[00:04:06]That was the experience when I met him and found out he was into that.

[00:04:11]I was basically a witness.

[00:04:14]And it hit me when we were going after Osama.

[00:04:17]And I was supposed to be in the assault group.

[00:04:21]I was the only one from the Department of Defense and the intelligence services who spoke Urdu.

[00:04:29]And where we were supposed to operate in Abbottabad, that is an area where everyone speaks Urdu.

[00:04:37]It is one of the varieties of Hindustani.

[00:04:41]And you know, Pakistan used to be part of India-Pakistan, well, is a sort of new separate country.

[00:04:50]When they split off, that whole area was exactly where they spoke that language.

[00:04:56]And I definitely went through.

[00:04:59]We trained at Fort Bragg at the Delta base.

[00:05:04]They prepared there.

[00:05:06]They had built a mock-up.

[00:05:09]And they had already picked the final team there because there were three teams training.

[00:05:14]Of the three teams, two were supposed to go.

[00:05:18]One was the assault group and the second was to be the standby.

[00:05:22]And they cut the third one.

[00:05:25]I ended up in the first and the second.

[00:05:28]And I was supposed to I mean, we were going to go first with my team, the 24th, with the Central Intelligence Agency.

[00:05:39]And well, there the special activities team, you know who, and then they changed it.

[00:05:49]McRaven basically convinced Obama at the final meeting that this should be done not by special operators, but by regular soldiers to well, boost the prestige of the armed forces.

[00:06:01]And 2 days before we flew to Bagram then Jalalabad Obama basically swapped United States out.

[00:06:09]But still like I told you I had a contact in the Central Intelligence Agency.

[00:06:15]And she pulled me in anyway.

[00:06:18]So besides myself I had a fail-safe option.

[00:06:23]Other than me no one in the entire Department of Defense knew Urdu.

[00:06:30]So they picked one guy me and another guy a Pakistani.

[00:06:37]But he did not have clearance, so they kind of took him as the number two as a backup.

[00:06:44]They picked one more guy who spoke Arabic.

[00:06:48]But with Arabic anyway when it was his turn I will finish up quickly.

[00:06:59]By the time we got to Jalalabad we did another training and had the main briefing with the core team.

[00:07:06]And they sent Obama the list of who would take part in the raid.

[00:07:11]And Obama removed me from the list.

[00:07:14]He asked who that was.

[00:07:17]They explained it to him.

[00:07:24]He remembered who that was. And so that later nothing like the podcast I'm telling you about now would happen.

[00:07:31]And he would not be implicated.

[00:07:35]He took me off.

[00:07:38]Ahmed stayed.

[00:07:41]And the American kid who spoke Arabic I don't even know Arabic. stayed, wait, wouldn't it have been better to send you so you would not come back? Well, listen.

[00:07:54]Let's say four unarmed men and 19 women.

[00:08:01]And against them were two of the top Navy SEAL teams.

[00:08:07]Two other teams were in over watch.

[00:08:10]They used six helicopters, refuelers, ammunition and cover.

[00:08:17]They turned on all the jammers, completely blocked communications over Pakistan.

[00:08:24]Blatantly crossed the border.

[00:08:26]Came in from the Indian side to fool the Russian surveillance satellites.

[00:08:33]They just came in and killed them all.

[00:08:37]They simply killed everyone.

[00:08:41]The assault element, the squadrons.

[00:08:47]They were color-coded.

[00:08:50]Gold, black.

[00:08:53]Anyway, they have four color teams.

[00:08:58]They are killers.

[00:09:01]Professional killers who came, killed and left.

[00:09:08]If you remember how that Clinton was out there celebrating, proud that All right.

[00:09:18]Gaddafi.

[00:09:20]>> [laughter] >> We came, we saw, we killed.

[00:09:25]That is their entire policy, their whole philosophy against the lawless.

[00:09:30]They made up that he showed up with a rifle and there was a shootout. It's all lies, complete nonsense.

[00:09:38]So now I'll tell you about the translator.

[00:09:45]We were already in the hangar for the briefing when a runner came to me and said I was being called to headquarters.

[00:09:51]My commander told me, "Man, this is a bad call. Not good."

[00:09:57]They called me in right before that.

[00:09:59]I go in and the admiral tells me, "Man, you're great. You're the best. The country is proud of you. But you are not flying."

[00:10:07]I said, "What's the reason? Why?"

[00:10:10]Basically, he said it's the president's order that only Americans should participate. No foreigners at all.

[00:10:15]Because it is about national prestige.

[00:10:18]We do not want to the president does not want this.

[00:10:21]Damn. No. No.

[00:10:26]Anyway, they let me off, but that is good.

[00:10:32]Thank God I did not take part in that killing.

[00:10:37]I'll tell you now.

[00:10:41]The helicopters were already running.

[00:10:45]We were also ferrying in from that sector, from 51.

[00:10:49]The noise-reducing stealth helicopters.

[00:10:53]That basically they are silent.

[00:10:58]They had a stealth system like those on the B-2.

[00:11:02]The Su-35, the Predator, and the Phantom 22.

[00:11:08]Basically, they were invisible.

[00:11:11]They were stealthy.

[00:11:12]And they only used those two helicopters.

[00:11:16]They were Black Hawks.

[00:11:18]Transport and combat variants.

[00:11:22]Basically, the assault version.

[00:11:26]And we ferried them over from sector 51, from Nevada.

[00:11:31]They were new.

[00:11:32]Quiet, of course.

[00:11:35]So, we got on them.

[00:11:37]They were already warming up.

[00:11:41]And this weirdo flies up to me.

[00:11:45]He was the one flying instead of me.

[00:11:49]He asks, "Can you tell me what I should say?"

[00:11:54]And the interpreter goes in second after the commander.

[00:11:58]Because the instruction was that if we see like Osama or someone from his group we have to open negotiations.

[00:12:10]So, it was a briefing as always.

[00:12:13]We had to start negotiations, say we came in peace, get him to relax, and then kill him.

[00:12:20]But that is how they usually operate, you know.

[00:12:23]To psychologically disarm the person.

[00:12:26]Make him relax and then kill him.

[00:12:29]And we are standing under the chopper.

[00:12:31]The rotor is already spinning.

[00:12:33]Getting ready.

[00:12:34]And I tell him "I cannot teach you that.

[00:12:37]Are you out of your mind?"

[00:12:39]He says, "Well, at least tell me one phrase." And I say, "For sake, you studied Arabic. It's written down for you. I was told you were the one flying."

[00:12:50]You know, I was like Then he shows me a book and it is an Arabic phrase book for tourists. "Oh my god!" He says he learned a few phrases.

[00:13:00]Like "How to get to the library?

[00:13:03]Or where your water is?"

[00:13:07]>> Listen, I took an exam in Russian at the basic level.

[00:13:12]The minimum to qualify as Russian speaking. It's the same. You know the alphabet and some phrase like "Where is the toilet?" Stuff like that. That's already enough to be considered to know the language.

[00:13:27]>> Yeah, you've you've probably had lots of times when someone said they speak Russian.

[00:13:32]And I thought, "Great, probably an immigrant."

[00:13:37]Oh, hi. Then you start talking to them in Russian.

[00:13:41]Like a tourist would.

[00:13:44]I say, "You said you speak Russian."

[00:13:47]He says, "I know."

[00:13:49]I said, "A Russian word."

[00:13:51]"Which one?"

[00:13:53]"My girl." Or "I love you."

[00:13:58]I say, "That's not speaking Russian. You know a couple of Russian words." "No, no, I speak Russian."

[00:14:06]Yeah, that's their standard.

[00:14:09]Yeah. Yeah.

[00:14:11]Yeah.

[00:14:12]The minimum. Yeah.

[00:14:14]That's the level.

[00:14:16]They are like that about everything.

[00:14:20]So, we are standing under the chopper.

[00:14:23]And he says, "Well, write me something for it." I say, "Man, when the shooting starts, where you going to write? Are you crazy?

[00:14:31]That is nonsense, you know?"

[00:14:35]So, I tell him like, "Osama, hello.

[00:14:37]Salaam alaikum or marhaba. We came in peace. I'm here."

[00:14:40]And he says, "Damn, that is hard. I will not remember it."

[00:14:46]And you know, we had those combat gloves and combat goggles.

[00:14:51]I wrote for him in plain Latin letters two words, "Osama, surrender. Est salimas."

[00:14:59]You know?

[00:15:00]Anyway, and he later told me after the operation that well, the assault team commander was Brian.

[00:15:09]O'Neill was his last name.

[00:15:11]They kept it secret. Like a big secret, classified for 75 years.

[00:15:17]And then he like wrote a book.

[00:15:21]And Sandina goes around schools talking about how badass a killer he was.

[00:15:26]He is a murderer.

[00:15:29]And when they were going up the stairs on the third floor of his compound, he had a bedroom.

[00:15:35]And Osama came out like in his nightclothes, all disheveled, without a turban.

[00:15:43]I did not recognize him at all.

[00:15:46]That scumbag standing in front of him, he did not even ask him, did not let him speak, just read it and said something like Marhaba, Osama.

[00:15:59]He did not even get to say "Estes Lima."

[00:16:03]The guy had just come out unarmed and they immediately shot him in the chest, then went and shot him in the head, and they started taking pictures, selfies, and so on.

[00:16:16]That corpse, they got rid of it the next day, threw it into the sea.

[00:16:22]>> Quick question. We only have a little time left. I have another call. Why did they throw the body away? Why was the body thrown into the sea?

[00:16:32]>> They dumped the body so there would be no followers paying tribute or honoring him.

[00:16:38]So there would be no grave.

[00:16:40]That is the whole reason.

[00:16:42]So there would be no trace.

[00:16:45]They did not know who would honor or who to pay tribute to.

[00:16:51]As far as I know now, people who want to be martyrs go and swear oaths at the place where he was born.

[00:17:04]So that is what people are saying.

[00:17:11]>> One more question.

[00:17:13]Now, as we wrap up, of those guys who took part.

[00:17:18]Note that many of them died fairly quickly afterward.

[00:17:23]>> Does that cover the tracks? Yes, it covers their tracks.

[00:17:27]Anyone who showed up or told someone anything there is simply eliminated.

[00:17:31]So, our podcast together could get United States killed, too.

[00:17:37]>> Well, then I should run back to my home country.

[00:17:39]>> Yes, my country will welcome me with open arms.

[00:17:44]>> So, yeah.

[00:17:46]And that thing about Obama and all that, well, yeah. That it was just what gay people were saying.

[00:17:53]>> I do not want to say.

[00:17:55]Damn.

[00:17:57]Listen, I believe people have the right to know this.

[00:18:01]They should know.

[00:18:03]And people should know the truth. Not what they are being brainwashed with.

[00:18:07]How they deceive and fool them.

[00:18:10]People have the right to that.

[00:18:13]>> You are absolutely right. You are absolutely right.

[00:18:18]Well, then Victor, I have to run. I have another call right now. All right.

[00:18:22]>> By the way, today is Spartak day. Today is a great day.

[00:18:26]A day of joy for the people.

[00:18:28]For all Russians, for Spartak fans, we took the cup.

[00:18:31]>> And I thought after all, the center of Kyiv was burning.

[00:18:36]And it still was not enough. We should do that every night for the next 2 months, and then bring the dam down as well.

[00:18:42]>> All questions go to the Kremlin. All questions go to the Kremlin.

[00:18:46]>> We have enough missiles.

[00:18:48]Time to set an example.

[00:18:50]So, those bastards Zelensky crawled out of his hole to go see the ruins.

[00:18:55]>> That should have been done.

[00:18:57]Why not carry out a follow-up strike?

[00:18:58]>> A follow-up strike? They could have sold him for good money and for much less than the cost of this strike, they would have sold him right away.

[00:19:05]>> Why only at night and not during the day when they sit in their offices?

[00:19:10]>> Why there?

[00:19:11]We should hit their apartments and their country houses when they are at home at night.

[00:19:16]>> Yes, why not flatten Konche Zaspa? Why not flatten Bankova?

[00:19:20]All questions to the Kremlin.

[00:19:22]People are not fools.

[00:19:23]They see and understand everything.

[00:19:26]Yes, I know. I wanted to tell you.

[00:19:28]Unfortunately, the story about the request. We do not have time, right?

[00:19:32]>> Next time, yes, we will get to it.

[00:19:34]>> Next time I will definitely tell the story about the request.

[00:19:38]>> Okay.

[00:19:40]Thank you all very much. I apologize for the schedule today.

[00:19:44]>> Russians, hang in there.

[00:19:46]Everything will be fine.

[00:19:48]Let's go.

[00:19:49]Thank you all very much.