Finance Bill Drama: Junet, Ndindi and Ichung’wah Clash in Heated Session.

Added: 2026-05-27

[00:00:00]No one knew that uh the world will turn to what it is today. And it was unforeseen because that time we thought that things will be normal. There will be no war in the Middle East. The strait of Ramoose will not be closed and life will be as good as it were. But now that we are in a difficult time, the speaker, so it is prudentable upon us to show leadership. And as you know, mediation is provided for in our standing orders. So, Mr. Speaker, there's no harm in the in having a mediation on this matter so that the Senate and the National Assembly could sit and analyze this matter deeper so that we look at the issues holistically and we look at the issues in accordance with what is happening in the world today. Mr. Speaker, Mr. Speaker, because of what's happening in the world today, the government had to do extra measures to cushion Kenyans from the excesses that has happened in terms of fuel, you know, prices. So, Mr. Speaker, I think I want to agree with the majority leader that we take this matter to mediation so that we come up with an informed and and a better and more in-depth decision than we took at the beginning of the year when we were doing at the beginning in the last session when we were doing the division of revenue bill. So with those few remarks, Mr. Speaker, I second and I urge members and I urge members to support that so that the mediation process also could be expedited so that the report could be tabled in the both in in the houses as fast as possible.

[00:01:47]Mr. Speaker, >> members on their feet, take your seats.

[00:01:52]Corora, take your seat.

[00:01:58]All of our members now propose a question at order number 15 which is that the Senate amendments to the division of revenue bill national assembly bill number two of 2026 be now considered.

[00:02:14]I see wants to speak.

[00:02:19]Thank you very much honorable speaker for giving me this chance. Honorable speaker, I call upon all of us as members in the National Assembly because clearly this issue is headed for mediation that it is important that we also be considerate as the members of the National Assembly to also our county governments. Honorable speaker, there is a rise in terms of the revenues of Kenya from last financial year to this current financial year nominally to around 8 to 10% in terms of those revenues.

[00:02:53]Honorable speaker also in terms of the cumulative budget we are now be will now be considering a budget of around 4.8 8 trillion Kenya shillings, a figure we have never considered in this house before. And therefore, honorable speaker, my call is that we must support devolution and be seen to actually support it because we have actually maintained the same amount we gave to our county governments the sharable revenue of 420 billion Kenya shillings.

[00:03:26]Honorable speaker, we are proposing to sustain the same and I don't think that is fair. Honorable speaker and especially given that the inflationary pressures alone we'll be talking at around maybe over 5%. Honorable speaker, it is important honorable speaker that as we consider these kind of matters, let us not personalize when we personalize that we are like we are giving this money to specific governors, we are likely honorable speaker to be subjective. I I >> yes uh there's a point of order.

[00:04:01]>> Uh first we have we have not yet even voted whether we are sending this matter to a mediation or not. You have not put the question yet. Number two, Mr. Speaker, I want to inform the house that it is this house that in the last financial year that increased revenue sharing sharable revenue of the counties from 385 billion to 415 billion shillings. Mr. Speaker, Mr. Speaker, it's on record. Mr. Speaker, we are the owners of devolution.

[00:04:34]We know how devolution works and we want to support devolution. So that is why you know we want to send because it is the senate that has given this figure.

[00:04:45]It's not the national assembly. They have said that uh they want to increase this revenue to 454 billion.

[00:04:55]It doesn't mean that we have to agree with them in totality. We can we we can decrease or we can increase in accordance with what is possible. But Mr. Speaker, let us not also use this as a political, you know, let us not politicize this process.

[00:05:09]>> Yes, the majority leader can inform you as a distinguished former chair of the budget committee, not the one we removed.

[00:05:17]Honorable speaker, I wanted to inform the honorable Junette that indeed the former chair of the budget and appropriations committee, the honorable dinoro stood in his place in this house when we were passing the sharable revenue last year and pretended that this is not the only amount that we are taking to the counties. And if I remember well honorable was speaking about a figure of 476 billion it's in the hands and therefore honorable speaker in the same spirit using honorable's words I had just said when I was moving there is some 8.94 billion that had been left out in the bill by both houses. Therefore 420 the honorable Doro is simply being intellectually dishonest because he knows and there is no more dangerous thing than when those who ought to know better seek to misinform the country for political gain.

[00:06:21]Honorable speaker because the honorable knows that 428 billion as proposed is not the only money that goes to counties to honorable speaker to remind honorable Junet and to inform him that when we sat with him under the broad-based government arrangement part of the 10point agenda is to progressively move the sharable revenue to even beyond 450 billion and we are on cause and we are working on that honorable speaker but we must also be reasonable as leaders and that's why I said honorable speaker earlier that this is such a time that calls for leadership not political posturing the easiest thing to do is to posture politically that is why honorable speaker the honorable dinoro will purport to be writing to you to recall the house when he knows he cannot recall even the moranga county assembly leave alone the national assembly and it is good that in the cler's advice to the honorable He informed him that even if you were to recall the house honorable speaker, this house ideally would have sat today looking at the dates when he wrote the letter. If you are the leader of majority or the leader of minority was he to recall the house, the house would have sat today, the same day we are supposed to resume business. Therefore, honorable speaker, I don't want to call my brother dishonest, but political posturing is a very dangerous thing at a time when the nation calls for leadership.

[00:07:58]>> Oh, then wind up your point of >> Yeah, Mr. Speaker, first I want to wind up by thanking the former chair of budget and the majority leader >> Kin the majority leader for informing me, Mr. speaker properly on issues that I think are important. Mr. Speaker, in conclusion, I want to say that honorable is talking about governors. We are not discussing here governors. Which governor is going to get what and what that will come in the other in in Dora and the one that is the one that is coming from the Senate. Mr. Speaker, as the majority leader has affirmed here, we are on course as the broad-based government because we have increased the revenue share sharable revenue from 318 to 415.

[00:08:46]>> Maka, what you have done is is not right on >> speaker. The covenant agreement between us in the broad-based government that is one of them is to strengthen devolution and Mr. Mr. Speaker, that is why in the last financial year we increased it by 30 a whooping 30 billion shillings. Mr. Speaker, in one financial year and as the majority said 420 420 what is being proposed now is not the only money that is going to counties. We are going to make the staff the workers who have been working in the for the counties now permanent and pensionable in the new budget. Mr. Speaker is going to cost the government 9 billion. Again there are conditional grants that are going to go to the counties. Mr. Speaker in total counties will get close to 500 billion shillings. Mr. Speaker let euro not posture politically let him wait for the mediation to happen. Okay. Point made.

[00:09:51]>> Honorable speaker, I actually never needed to be informed and actually have no time for those folities and filibustering.

[00:09:58]And honorable speaker, it is important because they have brought up even as I go to the conclusion about bringing some favoritities about who needed to call what and write to which letter to the speaker. Honorable speaker, we need to be honest to the Kenyan people. face them honestly.

[00:10:16]Honorable speaker, we have we now have a situation in this country where the government joined opposition and the opposition joint government honorable speaker that even as we listen here the majority side and the minority side leadership honorable speaker are require singing the same song. Honorable speaker and honorable speaker in such a house of debate there must be alternative voices.

[00:10:39]Honorable speaker honorable speaker we are lying to ourselves. Honorable speaker and to the Kenyan people that in this house there is a minority side and the majority side. There is none honorable speaker. Honorable speaker >> KJ >> Mr. Speaker, at the beginning of this session, you did do a communication to the house >> and for the honorable member for Kiharu to call what the process is foli frivality is in fact an insult to the house an insult to yourself an insult to the rules and procedures of this house.

[00:11:18]Mr. Speaker, THERE IS NO WAY THE RULES of this house can be frivolities. And I think it would be in order for my good friend honorable deoro to at least respect the house if not the people in the house by withdrawing what he has said because these cannot be frivalities. Mr. Speaker, will you wind up >> honorable speaker going back to the debate. I just call upon all of us honorable speaker to be honest to ourselves. We need our county governments to provision health care services. We need honorable speaker our county governments to provision all the devote functions and give quality service to the same same people we represent. Honorable speaker this cannot done through politics. When we talk about substantive issues about money honorable speaker this is not about politics and even if it's about politics and the Kenyan people benefit so be it.

[00:12:14]Honorable speaker my take is this. There is 420 billion Kenya shieldings on the table and I needed no information from anyone to tell me that you also be debating the debate about cordational grants. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the motion on the table and the motion is about sharable revenue that we are sitting here. We have seen a climb in terms of an increase of budget entire in entirety. We are reading now a budget of 4.2 trillion Kenya shieldings. But we come to this house and we want our county governments to still get the same money they got last year in a situation where inflationary pressures alone have taken real money out of their pockets.

[00:12:58]Honorable speaker, we must debate on respectively honorable speaker that yes, as we propose the 420 billion Kenya shieldings that even the Senate is entitled to ask for the 34 billion Kenya shieldings. We must meet somewhere.

[00:13:14]Honorable speaker because this is not about that specific governor. It is about the Kenyan people. I submit honorable speaker.

[00:13:23]>> Yes. uh >> this I had advised to the house that seeing what I see this matter is headed to mediation and if it is that's what resolves the divergence of opinions between the two houses and that being the case you have an opportunity to deal with the mediated version when it comes And this being the case also once we pass this order number 16 will collapse.

[00:14:01]So do we need really need to flog this?