How We Won Great Yarmouth | Interview with Rupert Lowe MP

Added: 2026-05-13

[00:00:00]Hi folks, I have the pleasure to once again interview Rert Low after his superb victory in Great Yamoth. Uh before we begin, I just want to say that I'm a member of Restore Britain. I am a local organizer in Swindon for Restore Britain. So this is a friendly interview, just letting my biases on the table there. Um but Robert, um what a what a great victory.

[00:00:19]>> Well, Carl, firstly, let me say what a pleasure it is to be back at Lotus Eaters. I I was a bit disappointed when I asked everybody outside whether they were causing enough trouble and they didn't seem to give me a very definitive answer. But >> we're very good boys. I don't know why you would think that.

[00:00:32]>> It's very good to be here. Uh and um yeah after as you say I think a historic win in great yam for great Yarmouth first >> and what we've done I think and we should give credit first of all to the people in great Yarmouth the voters who who believe in what we're doing they're fantastic people we had to go east to find real people they've supported what we're doing they can see what we're doing >> we we we asked nine people who've been in business who've been in in in other professions who've actually contributed to their local community all from great Yarmouth uh and they they were from outside politics. So the model has been proved now in great Yarmouth and these nine people brave put themselves forward campaigned along with us and we have effectively shown what what model locally can work which we can then roll out nationally. But I should say the most exciting thing for me was that we saw huge numbers of people from all over the country come to help us canvas. So on the Friday, I was blown away. We had 500 people from all over the country.

[00:01:45]And then on the Thursday of election day, we probably had 400. They'd all traveled to Great Yamouth. As you know, it's not the easiest place to get to. I had people from Invenesse, Abedine, some some somebody driven down from Abedine. Uh we had people from F, from Glasgow, from uh Liverpool, Leeds.

[00:02:07]Always got to have a scouse or two.

[00:02:08]>> You got You had people from our offices, >> people from your offices. We had people from Devon, from Cornwall, from Sussex, from the Midlands.

[00:02:17]>> We had real people and they feel passionate about what we're doing. So they came and helped us and that so it was a team effort. It was real people working with real people and they and great Yarmouth were voting for real people. So I I I think this is a historic result for what for great y basically for great yarmath. We should give great yamouth credit. They are great people.

[00:02:42]>> Uh because great yarmath first I think I should say great yarmath has shown first how it can be done. And so I I look, it's really exciting and it's had virtually no media coverage whatsoever.

[00:02:57]I mean to win 10 out of 10 seats, nine county council seats in a burough council seat with and the two stats we should talk about. The first one is the fact the turnout was 60% higher than in the same vote in 2021 or 22, whatever it was. 21 I think it was.

[00:03:18]>> Yeah. So 60% up. So this is people who've not been engaged with politics before. That's the exciting thing. So you could actually have the vote we got for every candidate and we'd still win.

[00:03:30]Yeah. So I wanted to dig into the numbers a little bit because this this was particularly fascinating. So I mean to begin uh I saw um arch critics of restore uh claiming and obviously a critic is inclined to minimize numbers and they had to admit well there were probably 350 local activists on the ground and for a local election I've never heard of such a thing that is a huge number and even if it's so somewhere between 350 to 500 what you're estimating that's a that's an almost absurd number of people canvasing in one constituency I Well, hang on, hang on. Uh because like that's that's a huge amount of energy that has been summoned up and a huge amount of belief that went into it and then to win by the margins that you won to get to get an average turnout of something like 47%.

[00:04:19]uh across the ward is incredible because I mean it's a local election normally they have about 30% turnout as they did in 2021 as you say but then to win by such margins the average the average u percent of the vote in each of these nine ws was 46%.

[00:04:38]I mean it's hard to imagine uh a more s I mean just it was a cavalcade complete rat but but it was and and the exciting thing was as I say we got the support from everybody and and in in time they'll they'll probably have their local elections and I'm sure uh assuming you know other people have got the time they'll go and help them and we've proved the model that's exciting thing >> but the point I always get accused of is oh you're going to split the vote no we're not splitting the vote. What we're doing is we're bringing people back to politics who've given up on the way in which Britain is governed. And I increasingly find myself uh uh looking at Starmer and looking at the Labour front bench and looking at what's happened over the last 20 or 30 years, well really since Tony Blair and I think how have the British people been hoodwinkedked by this system that basically serves them up a slate of people from parties that they don't respect, they don't like, they don't want to vote for. So these people have actually left voting and as you know in in the last election I think the turnout was only 59%.

[00:05:49]As I call it Kia Starmer's land slip election victory that's what it was.

[00:05:54]It's it's wafer thin actually if you if you dig if 10% shift away from he loses most of the seats. In fact I I don't see how Labor can ever survive what's been happening again. I I think this is the end of the Labor party.

[00:06:08]>> I've been saying exactly the same thing.

[00:06:10]People People are saying, "Well, it's going to be rough." I was saying, "Look, >> this is the last Labor government we're ever going to see. Thank God."

[00:06:16]>> Yeah, I think it is. I think it's the end of Labour Party. They are a farce.

[00:06:21]>> I mean, the people in parliament are a fast. The the MPs are a farce.

[00:06:25]>> Uh, you know, they they >> How could you say that about David Lammy or Rachel Reeves or >> Honestly, Carl, I went into parliament thinking, you know, I've been in business all my life. These people must be able, they must be bright. They must know they must know something.

[00:06:41]>> Let me tell you definitively they know nothing. And these are the people making the decisions. These are the people who are trying to hold the civil service to account. Ministers are supposed to basically decide and advisers advise. But if the ministers don't know what that they're deciding about, they can't hold the other people to account. So what we've what what our system has done is created this p this genetic pool of of of almost reverse Darwinism where we have the weakest people making the biggest decisions and and gradually what's happened is the state has accreted power to the extent that it's it accounts for at least 50% of GDP if you if you take all the sort of indirect state bodies and as one of my biggest donors observed he said the problem is and he's a great guy I said one he said the problem is and I'm going to quote him. I'm not going to say who he is, but I'm going to quote him because he's brilliant and he he he we're sending him the policy because policy is our next plan. Big policy documents coming out on lots of stuff because I think we know how to rebuild the country if people believe in what we're doing. But he said if you spend your own money when you go to a restaurant, you get value.

[00:07:49]If you spend somebody else's money, you probably get some value, but probably less value than if you're spending your own money. If you've got other people spending other people's money, which is what we have now with the state, you get no value. That's why you get deficient contracts like the BBY Stockholm contract which was presided over by Bravman who was who was then home secretary and and Generic who was I think employment minister at the time um immigration minister at the time. So 1.5 billion given to some obstruuse uh Bradford company. Uh honestly Carl what happens is what happens is fraud frauds creeps in and what happens is the agents start to take money round the back and you you get the breakdown of a a sort of Protestant ethic which is what's founded Britain. Um and you get dishonesty on a grand scale and I actually think that's what's happened in our judiciary in our police in our social services and our NHS. I mean the NHS is is just a fraud.

[00:08:50]It's a complete fraud. Can I can I um >> so so I think people can see it and what's exciting for me and I and I this is important I've said I'll stand till 29. I'm going to give it till 29. So you're building the branch in Swindon as you've just disclosed which is fantastic. We're seeing reflexively branches jumping up all across the country. And in the same way, Carl, that I didn't go to the count because that wasn't my result. That was the result of the nine local counselors >> and and John Weeden also won the bar council by election. So, I actually would love to have been there cuz actually being there for the victory is great. But I made a conscious decision.

[00:09:27]I said, "No, if I'm there, any everybody would want to talk to me. I don't want that. I want them talking to the people who won the election. I'm already the MP. I helped these people win their election. It's right that they should take the glory because they did a lot of the work and they were helped a lot by volunteers as you say.

[00:09:46]>> Mhm.

[00:09:47]>> But the but what our system and what Blair did this he created a presidential system. Farage loves it. Uh you know all these people they power accretes to one person. I don't want that. I want to devolve power and that's what's so exciting about the branches.

[00:10:04]>> I I want them to look at what we've done in Great Yanth. I want them to replicate it, work as hard, win the local elections, and then we're ready to table a full card of MPs who've got business experience, who are known in their locality, and the branches are a segue into into selecting your candidate. And then when we go into the general election, restore will stand everywhere.

[00:10:29]And if people don't want that, that's fine. I I I'm a Democrat. I accept that.

[00:10:35]But I think they do want it. And I think if we can collectively deliver that formula, we're going to win the election. I I've never felt so certain.

[00:10:44]People think I've gone completely potty.

[00:10:46]>> No, I'm I'm >> reform accused me of having dementia.

[00:10:48]Maybe they were right. But I think we're going to win.

[00:10:52]>> You You know what? Um I was nervous about the great Yamoth elections because of course this was the first great test of the season.

[00:10:58]>> I was nervous about the count. We had to watch like hawks.

[00:11:01]>> Really?

[00:11:01]>> Oh yeah.

[00:11:02]>> Uh but I've I've heard from people uh you know friends of the show who are on the ground and they said when they opened up the boxes and you could just see the number the the the stacks and they were like we've won this. We know we've won it. And then after the first three came out I I tweeted out was like oh my god you've carried all before you.

[00:11:20]This has just been a roll. And then they all just kept coming and coming and that was it. It was just So te tell me about the >> We did that video. Did you see the little clip where we put Farage saying we don't get we probably less than 1% 1% 1% >> evening great y and then we had you know Sheila Oxy the the returning officer reading out each every result.

[00:11:40]>> But look we on my team we took it very very cautiously.

[00:11:44]>> Yes.

[00:11:45]>> Because we knew that in case we had a fantastic candidate. We had a fantastic candidate everywhere but in case we were particularly strong. There were literally great Yarmouth first boards everywhere and it was a f it's a fantastic place. It's where I actually uh uh with my son spent the entire day on election day in 24 um talking to the good people of Quaster and we got a fantastic reception. He didn't know me then, >> right? But we we knew that in case that Daniel was probably going to get a hell of a vote. But until we knew until it had been announced, we did not comment on it.

[00:12:20]>> But once we'd done the clean sweep and we weren't sure if we'd do it, ashes, I said, you can have every vote and we'd have still done it. Yes.

[00:12:28]>> So that shows you the margin by which we won. Now that and that's not us scrapping for Tory voters or scrapping for reform voters or scrapping for Labor voters. I think the majority of those people and we're going to do some analysis on the data. I think the majority of that is people who are coming back to politics something very new.

[00:12:46]>> That's the excitement. That is the exciting thing because we I think finally want to offer the British people what they should have which is a true democracy which is based on real people representing real people and that's what great yarmath first was. So can I tell you um some of my experience so far organizing in Swindon because I've had a very interesting experience. Um first off the hunger for something like this has been remarkable. I mean our first meeting was just packed out young too.

[00:13:17]>> Not not just young, right? So what's really interesting is it's a complete cross-section of the entire town. We've had young people. We've had sort of uh people in their early 30s and then we've had people sort of my age and then we've had people of your age and it's it's a it's a it's a vast cross-section of the entire thing like an ice core of the entire town. Um but a lot of it is moms and dads who are professionals or maybe they're small business owners like myself who are just very concerned about the state of the country. We are very very concerned saying hang on a second this is not going the way that we thought it was going to go.

[00:13:51]>> We'll look at the borrowing figures today. I just think, as you know, waiting for sterling to to to collapse.

[00:13:56]I mean, >> Labour the people don't know what they're doing.

[00:13:59]>> Yes.

[00:14:00]>> They've got this sort of myopic view.

[00:14:03]They've never done anything.

[00:14:04]>> Yeah. But, >> you know, and and how can you know the consequences of what you're doing, all these tax increases, national insurance increases, all the new laws, you know, the workers rights and and and and these these rent rents. Honestly, Carl, they are strangling real real Britain. And that's what we we've got to cut those that Gordian knot. We got to release the British people. I know what we need to do.

[00:14:27]>> Oh, absolutely.

[00:14:28]>> Problem is I have to have a mandate to do it.

[00:14:30]>> But the the thing is I mean like all all of these uh economic proposals that they're making are all predictable and have been done and we know what the consequences are. Uh we know for example if you um uh they they are currently essentially punishing landlords. Well, you're going to get a red a reduction in the number of uh properties that are available to rent, which is actually not good for people who need to rent properties.

[00:14:51]>> I know people have been kicked out of their houses ahead of >> Yeah.

[00:14:55]>> this renters's rights act because otherwise you can't get them out. They don't have to pay the rent. They can trash your house.

[00:15:01]>> I mean I mean it's just completely illogical.

[00:15:04]>> It has the opposite effect of what they >> What really irritates me is you know I see these people in parliament. What what's happened is the left have been extremely underhanded as you know the Fabians. talked about them before that the sort of you know uh the people who >> gradually have crept into every every part of our society and undermined it through guile you know wolf and sheep's clothing. So, so effectively what they've done is they've actually undermined accountability and they've undermined the way in which our democracy works and they've done it by design >> and and what what's actually happened is finally I think decent people and this is what's so exciting about what happened in great Yarmouth and this is the message I think everybody needs to take away from it because you want you're not going to read about it in the newspapers we're not going to hear about it on GB news certainly you know that Greek lad who runs GB news seems to have um you become the Nigel Farage Broadcasting Corporation. Quite why Ofcom haven't intervened yet, I don't know. But I've not said anything to them, but maybe one day they'll wake up.

[00:16:01]>> But so no, I look I so exciting and I and I think people can take heart from this.

[00:16:06]>> Let let me let me tell you something that we've discovered. Um the the first thing is people have got loads of great ideas. Uh so we had the last branch meeting on Sunday and people were just firing these superb ideas at me and so me and my team were like, "Yep, great.

[00:16:21]Write it all down. We're going to do it all and we've got a really good WhatsApp group where we're coordinating. But one thing that um we've been doing a lot of leafleting uh so I've I've gone through about 30,000 leaflets so far uh with our activist.

[00:16:33]>> I think we've helped each branch from uh some leaflet. Are you getting the support you need?

[00:16:38]>> Oh yeah, we're getting the Yeah. Yeah.

[00:16:39]It was actually really strange. I I uh I can't remember the chap's name now, but I messaged him saying, "We're almost out of leaflets. Can we get some more?" And it was the next >> uh Yeah, it was Scott. Yeah, it >> was either Scott or Liam.

[00:16:49]>> No, no, it was Scott. and uh the next day they arrived and we oh blind that was quick. Um but um one thing that we've noticed after talking to people in the local area like uh for example we've been uh organizing in pubs as is the traditional English way >> right and >> we were we were at one pub the other day we had about 15 volunteers to go leafleting which is a superb and this is just in one ward right this is just in one ward we had 15 volunteers go leafleting and one of the chaps was like well I'm in the pub now why don't I just start giving them out and afterwards he he gone around the pub giving out these leaflets and he came back and Everyone thought we were the Greens and but what does that tell you? That's the only people these folks have ever seen politically organizing. And they were obviously relieved that we weren't. And the there's there's been a constant refrain from all of these people that they've told us the same thing over and over. We thought it was too late. That's what everyone's been saying.

[00:17:43]>> But Carl, this is what's so exciting because when I stood for the referendum party, I had the similar thing. Okay. So you you had real people who decided they were going to actually they believed in something and they were going to work for it because that's what we need.

[00:17:57]>> Yes.

[00:17:57]>> We can't do it as a little group of people. I say to my friends, you can't expect me to shoulder a lot of the cost and a lot of the a lot of the aggro and a lot of the sort of you know >> uh stress frankly of being of doing this because you carry a huge burden of responsibility. You've got the the media sniping at you every 5 seconds and I and I'm expecting another onslaught of media attack of >> and the media has been rather >> there's not much less to not much left to attack me on but I'm sure they'll find something. So if they come at me Carl tell everybody shut your ears cuz it's not true >> but they're going to get increasingly desperate.

[00:18:32]>> They they've been rather handsoff at the moment because they don't want to draw a lot of attention to you. Um but at some point you're going to get the Zach Palansky treatment. I mean I don't know what >> Well, I think two things either one of two things will happen. Either that will happen and I'm expecting that. I've already had an indication absolutely it might be about to start.

[00:18:47]>> But the other thing that happens because I think the media have missed a big trick here >> which is what makes me think that Nigel Farage probably is managed opposition because what we did in Great Yarmouth we have put a a trail of blood in the water. That's what we've done.

[00:19:03]>> I agree.

[00:19:04]>> And as I said in on Dan Wooden show in my opinion reform are now just warehousing Restore Britain's votes for them. Okay.

[00:19:11]>> Okay.

[00:19:13]Now, when there's blood in the water, sooner or later, a shark smells it. Now, why hasn't a shark smelt it already >> and highlighted the fact that this is arguably the Achilles heel of reform?

[00:19:27]Because I I think a lot of people find it difficult to believe in Nigel. You've got all this stuff now about, you know,5 million pounds from Harour. What's that for? I've never been given 5 million quid. Nobody's ever offered it to me.

[00:19:39]Now frankly who gives5 million without some quid proquo on the other side of it and then there's these Benabib talking about million pounds here to Boris and a million pounds there who knows now you know I do think our systems become corrupt I do think the judiciary is corrupt as I just said the police are corrupt a lot of the lawyers are corrupt a lot of barristers are corrupt I think the whole thing has become a scam and and the law by the way is something which needs to be dealt with >> because we talk about being under the rule of law I I don't think we have the rule of law anymore. We've got the rule of lawyers. We got the rule of judges whose judgments are often completely off the wall and illogical >> and that's because the Supreme Court is no longer accountable to parliament.

[00:20:21]It's effectively a quango and it's become a woke quango >> and the judgments on some of these uh you know Pakistani rapists and all this sort of stuff. It's just quite extraordinary.

[00:20:31]>> You know there should be one law for everybody and it doesn't matter who you are, where you're from, what your upbringing is. If you perpetrate a crime, you are punished in an equal way for perpetrating that crime. And yet you read judges saying, "Oh, well, he was brought up in a different culture. He wouldn't understand." No, he's broken our law.

[00:20:50]>> So, sorry, can I get back to the campaign? This is >> This is so important. And this is why I think people are beginning to see it and respond to it.

[00:20:57]>> I know the the the I I'm really interested in how you did it on like a a practical level in Great Yoth. Um I you know obviously because I'm interested >> well my team was fantastic.

[00:21:11]>> So what what was like the daily experience?

[00:21:13]>> Well as you know so and I've urged everybody who's standing in a branch to get their social media up and running.

[00:21:20]>> Mhm.

[00:21:21]>> Because in great Yarmouth obviously we have a big social media footprint. We do now nationally which is why in some ways I don't care if I don't get covered by the media >> because all that happens is if people want to follow what we're doing they have to follow us on social media which so our social media just keeps growing which is great. It's already bigger than most newspapers anyway.

[00:21:38]>> Yeah.

[00:21:39]>> Uh and and and so I don't mind that. But get the social media working. Get people engaged to your point. And I was going to tell you about the referendum party.

[00:21:47]So when we did it, you know, if if people really care about something, so if Carl Benjamin says, I'm going to drop low at Sirencester station and then he's going to leaf the train between Sirens and so so and so is going to pick him up from Swindon.

[00:22:02]>> It worked like clockwork. Why? because people weren't being told what to do.

[00:22:06]They were working it out at our committee. So, I'll do that. I'll do that. I'll do that. Work ran on rails.

[00:22:11]>> Well, that's exactly the experience.

[00:22:13]>> This is this is what's this is what I hope is going to happen. And I hope it's going to happen.

[00:22:16]>> No, that's that's exactly what's happening now.

[00:22:18]>> So, get the social media going. You can communicate.

[00:22:21]>> You've just talked about WhatsApp, Bruce. And actually, it's easier now than it used to be because we've got >> the digital revolution which allows us all to communicate much more effectively.

[00:22:31]It means we don't need to be brainwashed by uh you know big media moguls who are lining their pockets uh by by effectively driving uh media distribution as they want it driven not as the truth should should drive it. So I I think that's the key. Then obviously the enthusiasm car you'll find will will just explode and that's the what I call reflexive growth of our branches and that's what we're seeing every day.

[00:22:59]>> And you know we've got fantastic people now springing up all over the country.

[00:23:04]You see them, you know, they're holding up their boards and >> well they're everywhere.

[00:23:07]>> But I can't get around them all. You know I'm I'm I'm one man. I've got to fight the beast in parliament. The beast is is is is like the hydra. You cut one head off and about six sprout out behind it. So, you know, we've got to do both.

[00:23:20]We have to win at local level and we have to then win the general election in 29. That's that gives Britain a chance.

[00:23:27]It's not it's not I can't guarantee it.

[00:23:29]And I'm not promising a nirvana, but I'm pretty sure that if we then put in the necessary policies, which we're going to produce now, going to produce an economic paper that's pretty far down the line. I've been I've been working on that with with some very able people.

[00:23:43]We've got a policy document now coming out on net zero and reviving North Sea oil and gas. Oh, excellent.

[00:23:49]>> What lunacy is Ed Milliban perpetrating on the country, borders and defense policy. We've got papers coming out on the countryside. I've got papers coming out on the lunacy of overregulation in the city which has killed our financial markets, the FCA and the P, which what came from the F FSA and Financial Services Market Act. That's all got to go. Um, so we're going to produce papers and people going to read what we're going to do. No other party's doing that.

[00:24:16]>> No other party's produced a proper deportation document, a mass deportation document. Not saying we should deport whole communities, which Nigel Farage, accused me of. No, it's all set out.

[00:24:26]Read the document. It's there. It's on our website on a PDF. We've done one on an Englishman's home's castle. We've done one on the pubs. We're going to be producing these papers. Student debts got to be sorted out. We've got coming out on that. VAT got to be sorted out.

[00:24:39]the that threshold. Obviously, the big one is IHT. You know, we're going to get rid of IHT. It's a relatively minor tax in terms of tax collection, but why should the state continue to to strengthen itself and weaken the private sector? As I just said, the state is other people spending other people's money, and then it doesn't make any sense. M >> so if people agree with me, let's all get going lawfully, quietly, which is what we've done. We haven't made a lot of noise.

[00:25:10]>> I don't go seeking the media. I often don't even bother reply to them.

[00:25:14]>> But it's interesting, Carl, that they they've taken very little interest in something. I mean, to win 10 out of 10 seats on a massive turnout with massive margins, >> come on. Th this is why I wanted to talk to you more about it because like what what what was the I mean what were you advising the activists on the ground to do? Were you just saying look just explain your you know how you feel about things?

[00:25:38]>> It's like with the branches. So what we don't do is we're not prescriptive. You know that we produced this document. We said >> here's your guide.

[00:25:46]>> Yeah.

[00:25:47]>> You know your constituency better than we do. You know the local characters better than we do.

[00:25:52]>> Please don't go off peace. You know, we don't want all this rubbish about >> be sensible.

[00:25:56]>> Be sensible.

[00:25:58]>> You know, I'm It's just common sense.

[00:26:00]What we've what's happened is we've been dragged far left.

[00:26:03]>> And then if you've got common sense, you're accused of being far right.

[00:26:07]>> I'm not far right, nor are you.

[00:26:09]>> I just like common sense. I want logic.

[00:26:11]I want I want things to happen as they should. But we've been dragged by this Fabian nonsense and by all these sort of idiots to the left.

[00:26:19]>> And then they look at you and I and they go, "Oh, he's he's a far-right extremist." We had a girl we, you know, our media team allowed one girl to come and do an interview, right?

[00:26:28]>> I've gone on a name now. She was so insignificant. But but again, she couldn't resist saying that we were sort of far right. We're not far right, >> are we? We're the people.

[00:26:37]>> Well, I mean, the >> are the people far right? No.

[00:26:40]>> Well, the the problem that we have is that maybe from their perspective that is far right. That when they say are the people allow, you know, allowed to do the things they want to do and get the results they want to get, well, maybe that is what far right is to these people. And so the idea of like bickering over labels becomes irrelevant. It's like it just doesn't matter what they say. And I think your uh particular response to Emily Make list is I don't care. I don't care if you >> We're going to produce some shirts with the store written I don't care on the back.

[00:27:06]>> You think people would wear those?

[00:27:07]>> I I would wear like I that's that's the only >> three powerful words. I don't care. And that's what everybody's that's the attitude.

[00:27:14]>> It's the only sensible response because there's no point playing their game and allowing them to puppeteer you and make you dance their tune. No. No. I don't care. this is what we're doing, you know, and and like I was saying a minute ago, like the the response from people is we thought it was too late because they feel locked out of the system. They have been Well, exactly. And >> they've been defrauded of their democracy.

[00:27:33]>> Exactly. And this this the the response we're getting has been amazing. We've gone from 350 branch members to well over 400 branch members since we started leafleting. And it's because we have said to people, look, no, this is the party for you. We are not, you know, we are we are um we we it's not too late, right? It is not too late. Uh but no one is coming to save us. We have to do this ourselves.

[00:27:58]>> That's the message.

[00:27:58]>> Now is the time.

[00:27:59]>> That's the message.

[00:28:00]>> Now is the time. And it's it you can >> as my father used to say, God looks after those who look after themselves.

[00:28:06]>> And that has got to be our mantra.

[00:28:08]>> And it's it you can feel the sudden response. Finally, I've got something I can get engaged with. And the the response on the ground. I mean my the the activists in Swindon have just been amazing. Absolutely amazing. Like I can't believe how frictionless this whole thing has been. Like I haven't had anyone causing problems. It's not been about egos. It's been mostly uh sort of middle-aged people sort of my sort of age who like no I I have to get out and do this. And we for example every week we have our activists coming to the office to pick up more leaflets which is why we've gone through so many >> voluntary. That's what happens. And we we've got we've got plans to do uh um sort of stalls in the deprived areas of Swindon to go down there and because no one else goes down there and we're going to go down there and we're just going to stand there and say like no look, you know, come and talk to us. We want to talk to you about the future of your country and how actually you are a citizen. You can vote. You have power here. You don't need to be disenfranchised. We are we have a voice if we want it.

[00:29:01]>> Carl, these people in parliament are supposed to be serving the electorate.

[00:29:05]>> That's what they're supposed to be doing. And they're not doing it. They're serving themselves. They're serving, you know, big money. Big >> serving the system >> and they're serving the system. The system has become a line. It's not good.

[00:29:16]>> But I I don't know what I've had people ring me up saying, I I mean, these are people who've traveled to Great, spent a week in Great. We didn't pay for it.

[00:29:23]They did, >> of course, >> and they said, I had the best week of my life. I was working with other people.

[00:29:27]We all had a shared objective.

[00:29:29]>> We've even had people saying, "Next time I go, I'm going to buy spatulas so I don't hurt my hands on the letter boxes." You know, so with a spatula you can you can get you can get that out.

[00:29:38]>> Suggestion from other spoon spoon, spatula, whatever it is, cuz I tell you what, in 24 my hand was raw from poking.

[00:29:45]Some of those door some of those doors have got the most uh horrific sort of bristles on on on on the letter box.

[00:29:52]>> So look, I I I this is this is what people are saying now.

[00:29:58]>> I I think to travel all that way to spend that money. I mean, first of all, they loved Great Yarn.

[00:30:03]>> Yeah. As it happened, the weather was great. I mean, what did your team say who were there? Did they enjoy it?

[00:30:07]>> Beautiful old English seaside town. I mean, what what's >> great? Gston Beach looked great. Great Yarmouth Beach looked great. You know, the whole thing. The seagulls were there. You have to watch them cuz they nick your chips.

[00:30:19]>> I used to live in I know I hate seagulls.

[00:30:21]>> Um, but look, it's it's it's a great constituency and I went there by design.

[00:30:28]I didn't go there. I'd only been there once in my life when uh my father bought a fishing boat which is one of his hairbrain schemes and and we all went up to Hartool to come down the east coast >> and it was so rough we had to put into great Yarmouth for the night. So that was the only time I've been to Great Yarmouth before.

[00:30:44]>> Right.

[00:30:45]>> But look I I love it. I love going there. I mean it's it's it's a great place and and the people are still >> basically the bedrock of this country and that's what we need.

[00:30:58]>> The bedrock's still there.

[00:30:59]I think in the countryside, but Labor are trying to do all the things to damage the countryside. That's why we're doing a countryside paper. You know, they've damaged the farmers. They damaged small businesses. They're trying to stop trail hunting for goodness sake.

[00:31:12]>> They're trying to >> cause problems for people with shotguns.

[00:31:16]>> Yeah.

[00:31:16]>> Next it'll be people who fish.

[00:31:18]>> I mean, why can't they just leave people alone to live their lives and pursue what they want to pursue? But they can't because what they are is petty-minded bureaucrats.

[00:31:29]>> Yeah.

[00:31:29]>> Who think they can control over everything. And let me tell you, they make bad decisions every time and then try and cover them up. So let's just look at it. Co bad decision-m hugely bad decision making. Post office hugely bad decision- making.

[00:31:43]>> I mean look, I can go on and on with the bad decision-m of the state from theomide to just about everything, >> you know, and very often at the root of it is corruption. It's money. It's people basically being paid uh in government to promote things that are wrong.

[00:31:58]>> I think it's more >> so so I I let's cleanse Britain. Let's get real people back into politics.

[00:32:06]People who actually don't need the money but actually care about their communities. That's got to be the model.

[00:32:13]And great y I think that's why I think they're going to come for me because we've proved the model. And by God did we do well. M >> 10 out of 10.

[00:32:23]>> This this >> haven't missed I haven't missed one yet, Carl.

[00:32:26]>> I know. I know. Like very few parties have 100% success record. Um and this this honestly this is what we're finding is >> there are by the way between you and I we have people approach us who want to defect already.

[00:32:37]>> I I don't doubt I I don't doubt. Um you want to be careful about those defense.

[00:32:41]>> We're going to be very careful. We we we posted about it.

[00:32:44]>> Yeah. Because as you said, a lot of it is people are sick of the old guard and you know, you don't like I think this has been a mistake that far has actually made is taking on a bunch of touries.

[00:32:54]Why have you done this?

[00:32:55]>> All he needs is Boris. He's got the old cabinet back.

[00:32:58]>> But what we we there are lots of dispossessed regular British people who are just waiting. They're just waiting to be activated. They're waiting for something. And we're we're finding them in Swindon right now. And they're coming to us and saying, "Thank God, we thought it was over." And think how despondent that is. We We thought >> Do you think those are the 41% who are coming back?

[00:33:22]>> Yes.

[00:33:23]>> Excited. They're people haven't voted for a long time, have they?

[00:33:26]>> Yeah. If ever, because they look at the political system, they look at the parties and go, "No, these are all people who are in it for themselves."

[00:33:32]You see Farage talking about money all the time. It's like, what do I mean, you make more than a million a year, how can you be short on money for a start, but is that really the thing?

[00:33:40]>> He makes loads of money.

[00:33:41]>> He makes loads of money.

[00:33:41]>> Doesn't disclose it all, but he makes lots of it. He's the highest earning earning parliamentarian and he's obsessed with money. It's like okay, how is this the case?

[00:33:48]>> He doesn't give his charity to charity, does he?

[00:33:50]>> Well, no, I don't think he does. Uh but the but the point being is like you've got almost half the electorate who are just checked out and who just do not think that there's a future and they think the country is over already and when we're going to them we're getting the same thing over and over. Oh, it it's not too late. We can do this and the response has been >> but it won't be easy. No.

[00:34:10]>> So, let's not let's not fool people.

[00:34:12]It's not going to be easy. with being, you know, withdrawing this ridiculous welfare and making people actually participate and work is not going to be easy. It's like, you know, it's going to be tough.

[00:34:23]>> Yeah.

[00:34:23]>> But I think and a bit like it's a bit like Brexit. And again, you watch Star trying to take us back into Europe.

[00:34:29]That's not what the British people voted for. Yeah.

[00:34:32]>> In 2016.

[00:34:33]>> And when he says Brexit hasn't worked, it only hasn't worked because they haven't delivered Brexit. So, we know that this is all palpable rubbish. But the point is I I I think I think there is a glimmer of hope now, but it's not going to be easy. And I don't want people to think it's going to be one big party. What I am saying to people, >> you're not racist. Britain's the least racist country in the world.

[00:34:56]>> We've got the most decent people. We've got the best people.

[00:34:59]>> You know, I I was looking at Faraday the other day. You know, Faraday, unbelievable man. Newton, unbelievable man. you know, most of the greatest greatest people have come from this country and they're still coming from this country. You know, look at look at look at ARM and look at all the other companies. Our companies all get bought by by by by other people throughout the world.

[00:35:20]>> So, what we've got to do is believe in ourselves. We've got to roll back the state and um economic paper is going to show how we can roll back the state and at the same time cut taxes. Not not the Liz Trust. It's just cuz she had the right idea, but she couldn't justify it and therefore they hunted her down unfairly. It wasn't her fault that guilt yields were going up. They've gone up again today because of because of probably because of the public sector borrowing requirement. But the point is we we can do it if we just restore common sense and we remove the state from the entire equation and we stop other people spending other people's money. So the the question I think a lot of people especially uh young people on the left who are on the left primarily for economic reasons I think one one question they'll put to you is say okay well I I am okay with the idea of um less state spending but I'm worried about what I suppose they could call international predatory capital. Uh as you said the they buy foreign companies and governments are buying up our infrastructure and corporations. This is why it's so important to restore our our financial markets because in in before Blair our financial markets were incredibly powerful.

[00:36:36]>> So you you had people coming to London >> to raise money but what happens when you when you undermine risktaking which is what's happened.

[00:36:45]>> So this is what the regulators have done. I mean financial markets Carl are built on risk-taking.

[00:36:50]>> Yeah.

[00:36:51]>> That is how you get rich. You don't get rich >> by it's all in the Bible. It's all in the Bible. By burying your coin and digging it up, you don't get rich. What you've got to do is you've got to be prepared >> to invest it and take risk. And that's and what you have to then therefore do is empower people and reward them. And as Lincoln said, this is a this is Abraham Lincoln.

[00:37:13]You don't make the poor richer by making the rich poorer. And this is the the sort of malign logic that Labor employs to try and say, "Oh, he's got money or he's got money or she's got money or that's not fair." Well, it is fair. It is fair if people have taken risk and they've employed a lot of people and they they deserve the reward and they deserve to be able to if they want to give it to charity, which is what used to happen a lot with the friendly societies, they should be allowed to do that.

[00:37:44]>> If they want to leave it to their children, they should be allowed to do that. Of course, but I think >> if they want to endow an Oxford college, they should be allowed to do that. The last thing we want is some committee of halfwitted idiots taking the money off the British people and deciding deciding where it should be spent.

[00:38:01]>> But the the I think people will say, well, what about um things like Black Rockcks? In the last interview you did, you said you didn't want Black Rockck owning half the country.

[00:38:08]>> I think I think Black Rockck is probably again I I I I it's a huge huge enterprise now. Again, again, what's happened, I think, and I' I've covered this to some extent in par with quantitative easing.

[00:38:22]>> You see, I think what happens is if you become dishonest with your money, >> people then become dishonest. And what happens is the biggest people who are most dishonest thrive. So if if you have a society that's based on on proper economics, proper Austrian school economics, >> what happens is those people who are enterprising get rewarded, >> not those people who feed off the back of printed money and dishonesty. What happens that's why I'm I'm I'm impleably opposed to bailouts.

[00:38:50]>> Yes.

[00:38:51]>> And we since I've been in the city, I've seen bailout after bailout after bailout. And all you do is protect >> failure.

[00:38:58]>> Yes. and you propagate failure.

[00:39:00]>> Yes. And I and I agree with high >> true capitalism. True capitalism as you know, however big it is, let it fail because there'll always be people who are more able who will pick up the pieces and then make it work. But if you prop it up by mutualizing the loss across the entire electorate, >> yes, >> all you do is make the the bigger fail the bigger crooks bigger and bigger.

[00:39:21]>> And I and I completely agree with you. I >> That's your answer. I mean that's that's >> but well the thing is though I'm not sure that'll be satisfying to these young people who see the system as because what what you're what you're saying which I completely agree with is something that needs to come into existence. It doesn't currently exist but what they're looking at is what does currently exist and saying well Black Rockck is for example working handin glove with Karmama to ruin our farmers so they can purchase up our farms.

[00:39:46]>> Probably I don't you can't I can't prove it but probably >> well I I well exactly >> businesses as well.

[00:39:51]>> Absolutely. And we don't want our businesses sold. The backbone of Britain was our farms and our businesses.

[00:39:58]Families, communities, and actually it all makes sense. If you if you ask most people who work for a family business, >> would you rather work for somebody you know or would you want to work for a faceless corporation where you get an answer from HR that computer says no?

[00:40:15]>> I mean, if you know the guy who owns it, you can go and say now listen you know, you've got this wrong. Most of the time he'll listen to you course because if he doesn't listen to you it costs him money.

[00:40:24]>> Yeah. I mean trust me I know. Um >> but you've got a committee of people who don't own their company >> who are pork barreling a living on the back of shareholders >> and a lot of this is faceless capital now. So a lot of the problems come from >> the fact that our pension funds have got bigger and bigger and bigger.

[00:40:41]>> Yeah. And our pension funds control these pools of capital which in my view are often dishonest in that they then mop up a lot of private businesses that think long term and deliver long term.

[00:40:52]>> But what what I'm saying is a lot of people will want to hear what is the Restore Britain policy to prevent Black Rockck from buying up our farm.

[00:41:00]>> Well, you're going to have to Well, you're going to have to Well, first of all, you scrap IHT, which means that our farms don't have to be sold.

[00:41:05]>> Well, yeah. I mean obviously >> but obviously if you if you force people it's like small businesses it I've got small businesses am I going to invest uh lots of money long-term in those businesses knowing that every penny I invest if I die and I'm 68 now you know who knows I mean the Bible said you had three score years and 10 but you know hopefully I'm going to have a bit more than that >> but at the end of the day if you if somebody dies now and has to pay 20% IHT on a business they've built up which employs lots of people or a farm that they've they've been in their family for years. And by the way, farming is not a sort of nirvana of riches.

[00:41:44]>> I mean, people are leaving farming every day, K. That's really serious because >> you can't make money as a contractor.

[00:41:50]You can't make money as a land owner.

[00:41:53]So, but but listen, this is so this is so important. So for young people, what we have to do is create an environment where they have an opportunity and actually they have almost more opportunity if they're given a chance cuz they're very bright, a lot of them.

[00:42:08]>> And with the digital revolution, there's never been an opportunity to make more money more quickly than now.

[00:42:14]>> And you're going to see it with AI.

[00:42:17]You're going to see it in the law cuz the lawyers are going to get wiped out because you can AI everything in law.

[00:42:23]You're going to see it in accountancy because you can AI everything in accountancy. And do you know what? I'm with the bluecollar workers. I'm with the people who actually do things. And I read a plumber saying the other day, I'm thinking of leaving the country. If we all leave the country, all those other people won't get anything done because they don't know how to do it. We know how to do it. Well, I'm with him. He's right.

[00:42:40]>> Yeah, he's absolutely. So, what we got to do is is release those people and and and encourage people to actually get involved in the economy.

[00:42:48]>> Because I'll tell you, the way you make money is if you're involved in the economy, opportunity comes over you.

[00:42:55]>> I completely agree.

[00:42:56]>> Opportunity never comes if you sit with a clean sheet of paper and say, "I'm going to make money. How am I going to do it?" Well, here's a clean sheet of paper. No. What happens is Carl or Robert are busy doing their business and suddenly an opportunity. You see an opportunity. Oh, there's a opportunity there. Bang. And that's entrepreneurialism.

[00:43:12]>> Yes.

[00:43:12]>> But that is individuals. That's not the state. For Christ's sake, how many times do we have to look at the USSR as a model of complete central planning failure?

[00:43:23]>> How many times do we have to watch Mao as a center of complete human failure?

[00:43:30]The EU is the same, Carl. And what what why Stalin wants to go back to the EU, mate, is quite simply the EU was based on a monopoly. It was founded on postwar socialist philosophy. It's a socialist construct. But in order to pursue its evil aims, it had to destroy proud nation states like Britain, which it's done by creating five regions, different regional parliaments, re reenacting re stirring up all the old hatreds which we we put behind us with the act of union in 1707.

[00:44:03]>> So they their agenda was malign and they couldn't do it politically. So they tried in 97 to do it by ramming us all together financially which is why I stood for the referendum party.

[00:44:15]>> Now we defeated that and then in 2016 the British people said no we don't we don't want to be part of that. We're happy to be part of a cooperating nation states with Europe but we don't want that. Yes.

[00:44:24]>> And that's going to fail by the way because that's that that is the equivalent of the USSR. Their economies are failing. They are basically a a malign influence and and look at the way they're destroying themselves with their open borders and their DEI and their malign philosophies which are all emanating from you know as I say people who are abusing the system porting living and robbing the 500 million plus uh uh citizens they're supposed to be serving in Europe.

[00:44:52]>> Oh yeah. So uh before we end quickly then uh what's next for Restore Britain?

[00:44:58]>> Right. We'll restore Britain now policy.

[00:45:00]>> So I want to produce policy documents that people can read so they can see how we think Britain needs to be restored and they can look at them like they can and and they can try and understand they can they can critique them. I don't mind if they they make criticisms of them but we have to start somewhere and we have to put in philosophy. Now I think from my my time in business, my time in the city, my time generally doing lots of different things, I think we've got the constituent parts of how we put it together. So as I say, get oil oil and oil oil and energy and and and net zero are incredibly important.

[00:45:34]>> Getting the economy right incredibly important. There's a there's a sort of there are several building block borders and and defense is incredibly important.

[00:45:40]So the we're going to put these these bedrock papers together. At the same time, Carl, you've got a huge role to play. You've got to build up restore Swinden branch >> doing my best.

[00:45:51]>> Uh and we've got to have other people coming forward hopefully now.

[00:45:55]>> I mean it's a huge job for us but so I want people to take responsibility for their own branches. I want them to make decisions. That's how you run businesses. You don't run businesses with some little Napoleon the pig sitting at the top of the pile saying, you know, do as I say, not as I do.

[00:46:11]Because most of the time people who tell you what to do don't do what they tell you do. they do exactly the opposite and indulge themselves.

[00:46:17]>> So I want devolved power. I want I want people taking control of their branches.

[00:46:22]From there we can win local elections and then I think and I'm hopeful that we won't have a general election yet. Uh I saw somebody saying that Starman might you know hold the card of an early election over the Labour party and as you know there's a lot of people in the Labour party who earn close to £100,000 for being an MP.

[00:46:41]>> At the moment they've got three years left. If Kostama calls an election, how many of them are going to be reelected?

[00:46:46]>> Uh, it'll be in it'll be in the dozens.

[00:46:49]>> So, do they want an early election? No.

[00:46:52]>> So, as I always say, uh, watch what the hands are doing, not what the mouth is saying. And I suspect the five golden rules of business, which is what's in it for me, says they won't want an early election because they're going to lose it. They're going to get decimated.

[00:47:04]Uh, there's nobody to take over from Stara. I mean, Raina, you can't have Raina. She's lied about her principal dwelling residence. She's lied about her tax. She's arguably overvalued a house and put it into her son's trust, which I think is personally criminal.

[00:47:17]>> Also, I just don't think she's very competent.

[00:47:19]>> No, no, she's just a sort of loudmouth.

[00:47:23]>> Yeah.

[00:47:23]>> You know.

[00:47:24]>> Yeah.

[00:47:25]>> Uh uh very dishonest person.

[00:47:27]>> It's worth streeting then, Charlie.

[00:47:29]>> But but again, you know, look at Mandlesson. Why isn't Mandlesson in prison? You know, you've got Lucy Connley goes to prison for a social media tweet. Peter Mandlesson leaves a cabinet meeting we now know and he leaks crucial information to Jeffrey Epstein.

[00:47:44]It's all there. It took a public outcry before he was even arrested.

[00:47:48]>> But now he's back at home.

[00:47:50]>> Yeah.

[00:47:50]>> Drinking some milk drinking lefit and and and and eating, you know, in whatever restaurant he feels like eating in.

[00:47:57]>> So we have got two tier uh and these people. The reason he was picked Carl is quite simply was an appalling selection.

[00:48:05]And I talked about it in parliament at the time. It was completely illogical.

[00:48:09]You know, the guy's got a trail of of financial sort of misfeasions.

[00:48:13]>> I mean, his it's Peter Mandlesson.

[00:48:16]>> Trump had called him called him a He'd been rude about Trump. Tell me why he is the guardian or pointed to be the guardian of our most important relationship. And by the way, I'd love to know what happened to Morgan Mcween's phone >> cuz I suspect it's nestling at the bottom of the temps. Probably >> just happened to go missing.

[00:48:32]>> Um, but look, so So I I I think it's really exciting and I what we got to do now >> is stay calm.

[00:48:41]>> Just keep keep doing what we're doing cuz it's working. And I think people should look at the model in Great Yamas.

[00:48:47]>> Talk to my team. We we know what you need to do. We are supporting you as much as we can. We're not hugely rich.

[00:48:53]We haven't had >> a 5 million pound donation or anything like that, but but we are we've got members. And by the way, people who support what we're doing need to sign up. Mhm.

[00:49:03]>> 20 quid. Don't tell me everybody can't afford 20 quid.

[00:49:07]>> Yeah.

[00:49:08]>> But that's not the point. The point is we do need money to get the branches going, but we need to show the political establishment that people believe in what we're doing.

[00:49:18]>> And that's why the membership numbers count so much >> in in I understand there are more local elections in 2027. Are you going to be standing in them?

[00:49:27]>> I think if we're ready, we will. Yeah. I mean, I think the model is we've proved the model and if people can get their branches up and running and get their tentacles across the local community, the local part comes first >> and then I mean I think the election on balance of probability will be in 28 or 29. I I don't know who's going to to stand uh against Star. Somebody will emerge. As you know, they're all sort of weasels and cowards and nobody breaks cover. Uh, and as they say, he who wields the dagger is seldom the one who's appointed. So, so they're all hanging back. But I look, there's there's a sort of very feal >> Oh, I mean local elections next year, local elections.

[00:50:07]>> So, we we we've got to start winning local elections uh as they come.

[00:50:12]>> Restore will be standing candidates in >> I'm not saying we will. Where we're ready, we will stand. But hopefully people get themselves ready now. They've seen what we've done.

[00:50:21]>> We didn't have long to prepare for it, but we we did. And you know the reason we used Great Yarmouth first is quite straightforward in the end. I think it was a great name.

[00:50:29]>> Yeah, it was good.

[00:50:30]>> But it's part of Restore Britain and you know we did it because we weren't sure we'd get Electoral Commission approval for Restore Britain in time but we knew we'd get it for Great Yarmouth first and then when we got it for Great Yarmouth First we then subsequently got it for Restore Britain but in fact not in time to stand as Restore Britain. But in the event I think we we did well standing as Great Yarmouth First and I'm incredibly proud of my constituency. I I what a bedrock to build this on.

[00:50:57]>> Thanks so much.

[00:50:58]>> Couldn't be a better foundation, could there?

[00:50:59]>> No. Thank you so much for joining me.