In modern proxy warfare, when a superpower like the US cannot directly intervene, its proxy forces may face systematic targeting of command structures and leadership, as demonstrated by Russia's strategic approach to the Ukraine conflict where they have escalated from conventional military operations to targeting intelligence and command personnel, reflecting a broader pattern where nations with limited military capabilities must rely on proxy forces that ultimately face the consequences of the conflict.
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RUSSIA WILL HUNT DOWN UKRAINE INTEL, KIEV REGIME HEADS – Andrei MartyanovAdded:
It is May 28th, 2026, and it's just after 300 p.m. local time here in Texas as Russia has given the warning and we are all waiting and watching to see how they are going to strike Kiev and who they are going to go after. Could they go after Zalinski? Could they go after top members of his government or top intelligence heads and command and control? the people who are making the decisions. The decisions to go in and to bomb a college dormatory building filled with young girls to leave dozens of them dead and injured. The decisions or maybe they're still relaying the decisions coming from top members of NATO because of course this war is still ongoing and the US is not in a position where it can jump in and help. There is nothing the US can do right now to save Zalinski, to save the Kiev regime, or even to save all of Ukraine. And this is the fight that the US chose. Now, we are seeing how it is playing out. And we got into all of the latest when it comes to this conflict and where things stand with the war in Iran with a special guest earlier. So, let's take a listen to that conversation. Now joining me now to discuss is Andre Martanov, a veteran author and Russian military expert.
Andre, thanks so much for taking the time to join me. Back on the show, >> great to have you back on the show. Now, I want to get your take on the latest here as I know that Zolinsky is begging the Trump administration for more Patriot missile interceptors, one that the US doesn't seem to have right now.
And at this comes as we have Russia warning foreign citizens to evacuate Kiev immediately. Now I know that much of the focus for the last few months has been on the US and its illegal war of aggression against Iran, but how do you view the current state of NATO's proxy war against Russia in Ukraine?
>> No missile uh will help Zillinski and the regime which is NATO proxy.
And so now Russians are going to go uh for him. Uh I think the decision was uh made to finish him off. And uh uh there are some indications and it doesn't matter what they put there. They can put the best air defense missiles. They're not going to intercept the strikes or buy the hypersonic weapons and even uh high supersonic weapons. They're simply not designed for that. as we already saw everything with Iran.
So this is much worse than what Iran did. So and yeah, they are beginning to hunt NATO. Uh sometimes they hit NATO instructors and all that, but now it's deliberate. They will be hunting down and killing whatever the CIA, MI6 and Pentagon and uh NATO military advisor or some people who are essentially in charge of the command and control, they will be killed and uh then essentially it will come down to uh finally getting to the bunkers. There are many bunkers within the KE area and obviously outside Ke where the main decision centers command and control structure is located and where the Zinki actually lives. So and he doesn't live in his residence or you know it's just would be ridiculous. So now it's coming to that and if NATO doesn't understand then probably the next step will be the um essentially the uh NATO targets in uh Baltic stateless and probably Finland could be Finland recently just suddenly started to look very concerned and very cooperative with Russia saying they are against those drones flying through their airspace. they are ready to open the border, you know, if Russia promises not to let those, you know, African and what have you, you know, refugees. What happened? Oh, yeah. There there was this uh TU214 R flying along the borders of Finland two days ago and it has a very good, extremely good radar which looks deep into the 200 kilometers. So um Finland evidently got some message uh statelets botic statelets they will be uh they are not normal people there I mean they are elites so they will continue this uh you know uh bravado but reality is so we uh the US intelligence uh reported that Russia is ready to strike within next 48 hours we'll see it doesn't matter it's now going to be consistent systematic and it's going be hunting everything which is involved in the state control and command and control structures of the whatever is left of the uh Ukrainian forces on the uh line of combat contact and of course those people who committed terrorism and atrocities against the Russian children and they will be hunted down uh their names most likely will be known and they will be hunted down and killed even after the special military operation is all up.
>> Oh, absolutely. Yeah. And it's so interesting to watch as Russia has been in a lot of ways restrained, right? They have the power to target all of these individuals, but up until this point, they hadn't used it. And then when you see a horrific attack like the one that was carried out against this girls college in the Lugansk region, you look at it and you go, okay, this is yet another reminder that these individuals in Kiev are specifically targeting civilians. They know that. The US knows that and yet they are going on with it.
Anyway, now I know I've received some comments from people saying, "Oh, well, you know, Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov gave Secretary of State Rubio a heads up. Maybe Russia should have just gone in with these attacks." How do you see that warning and really the symbolism of it as you have Russia in a position of telling the US, "Hey, get your people out. We're not messing around here."
>> Yeah. It's um you have to understand uh unlike Europe which is irrelevant uh in the sense that nobody cares if it will die tomorrow and in Russia Russians uh there is a tremendous hatred towards Europe and Europeans now but uh United States and Russian relations are privileged. There are two superpowers.
one ascending United States is declining and dramatically declining but still superpower they these are privileged relations and uh as superpowers nuclear superpowers lav gave the courtesy of calling uh Mr. Rubio and telling him, "Yes, get your people out because what is coming is going to be bad." So, but it's like this classic Frank Herbert Dune, the forms must be obeyed. Russia obeyed the form. She did this gesture uh and said, you know, our relations still privileged as a superpowers. Get your people out. And so after that form was abbey and it's up to United States now to decide what to do. You know Russia said we removed this responsibility from us. It's your decision now.
>> And and we look at the US and go okay are you guys paying attention to this. I know that the Trump administration their grand plan has been to just try to hand over responsibility of this proxy war to Europe. And as you were noting there, Europe is not in a place to handle this war. They are not in a place to do much of anything at this point.
>> Neither is US. Yeah. It's just >> true.
>> Yeah.
>> Terrorism.
>> Yeah. Exactly. And Russia has I mean, I know they've retaliated in a number of ways for these attacks, but there also has to come a point and for the last several years, we've seen this special military operation. We've seen this ongoing war of attrition. when it comes to Russia's readiness to really kind of escalate and take this to the next level, how do you see it and was it always going to come to this point with everything they've dealt with from NATO?
But uh Russia was restraining itself also because uh and I have to admit my good friend uh Scott Rita absolutely nailed it when and I've been on the record that uh for don't forget for eight years since 2014 Russia was trying to avoid any conflict uh for simple reason Russia wasn't ready economically and you know industrially scientifically to do that when special military operation started in 2022 the initial phase was to actually the tour of to force demonstration of force to make Ukraine come to the negotiating table.
This you know what didn't happen but Russia was still not ready. Now Russia is in the full capacity in military, industrial, economically you know from all points of view including diplomatically to escalate it and uh as Andre Nitzki who was a real adviser to real minister of defense Sergey Sha he stated two days ago or yesterday actually it was on the Dimmitri S's senior uh show in Russia that that's going to be controlled escalation but it will be escalation and Uh again escalation in what sense controlled uh controlled in the sense that probably they will wipe out the uh present uh administration of Zilinski and whoever surrounds him primarily British still some Americans and they will be hunting down the officers of the uh well intelligence and what have you.
So uh and but they gave them chance okay to Americans uh Europeans were not warned and it's up to them they have this braada that they will stay well okay stay you know you die you die I mean too bad you know so nobody cares about Europeans anymore and so uh that's what happened and uh as I already stated if they don't understand next most likely I'm not saying that it's necessarily going to happen specifically in this direction but Most likely the next will be uh the complete disassembling of the Baltic states. If not Germany uh Germans have been asking for it for a long time now and Berlin hasn't its stones rearranged in a long time. They learned nothing from World War II. So and that's what is going to happen. And one of the reasons is I repeat no uh terrorism is the weapon of the week. And that's why decided to go for those drones. That's the only thing they can produce and United States is kind of detaching itself a little bit from from Europe in a sense of the as they already stated removing some kind of the u you know they're not going to be providing uh destroyers with their uh spy six uh uh air defense system they're going to be removing some bombers they're going to be removing tankers I mean KC135s I mean uh you cannot do anything without that Europe is not militarily strong. It's not strong industrially either. And so uh against the background of the events which uh in the per Persian Gulf, Europe simply doesn't have resources other than continue to produce this components and more or less large or smaller drones which is they cannot penetrate really real air defense. They don't understand the issue of air defense. Most uh uh NATO militaries including Pentagon they do not understand what real air defense is. So what's left? They uh yesterday they again attacked Li Leon. Thankfully there were no children there. So they will be continue to terrorist activity which is killing children, killing women, old people. So this is the modus operandi of the western Europe and because of that it has to die.
>> Yeah. and you look at the US and Europe and you go, "Okay, if you're going to pick a fight with Russia or China or Iran, you have to be ready for the blowback, you have to be ready for the response." And yet, when we look at the latest reports, I know there's a new one out from the Center for Strategic and International Studies saying that US military contractors need at least 3 years, that may be a generous estimate, to replenish stockpiles of Tomahawk cruise missiles and Patriot and THAD interceptors. And then they throw in there that it adds to concerns that American forces would have limited firepower in any future conflict with China. And I'm looking at this and I'm going, okay, you lost to Russia, you lost to Iran, and now you think you want to go up against China. I mean, how do you view the state of neocons in Washington? Sure, they can have all of these dreams, but the US has increasingly limited capabilities, and each conflict they get into is exposing that. you uh very well summarized that uh they are incompetent generally speaking they most of the American think tanks and even Pentagon they are militarily incompetent they do not understand the nature of the warfare they had this Albani moment four touchdowns at the high school uh game so that was the uh Gulf War 1.0 zero and they still you know grasp at it like it's some kind of the Russians immediately stated already then you know being Russia being disassembled essentially in 1990s it's was anomaly not a war it's not something you can build anything around it United States did and as the result it's technological it lost technological arms race and not just by some thin margins it's the blow blowout I mean complete it literally has been carried out uh from the ring because uh when you look attentively yeah they talk about this air defense systems did they help much? No because they suck on this patriot uh United States had seven uh systems.
It lost three to Iran and Iran operates uh actually the older version. I mean uh they are not as advanced at Russian strike weapons but even that was enough to wipe out 13 American bases and pretty much all air defense there. So there you go. You look at the military which is stuck in 1990s in its uh doctrinal uh conceptual fighting uh uh basically ideas and this is 2026 uh for some people. Hello. Have you looked at what was happening? And so yeah, and uh there are some weapon systems and uh where United States will not be able to close uh the gap anymore, you know, not in the uh coming century. And so that's how bad it is. And I've been worrying about it since what 12 years ago. They didn't get the message. Now they got the message and it's too late. And now we have all kinds of dysfunctions popping here and there and it's the best uh force the service which United States always had was obviously legendary US Navy but when you have the chief of naval operations two days ago speaking to uh giving the the position to uh our arms armed services committee in Congress and he talked that US Navy can do nothing about the straight farmus really and uh we can divide it which incept order only after the peaceful settlement otherwise we're not going there. they're going to lose ships and so uh it's it's uh I I understand many people don't like to hear that but that's the reality of it and so as you correctly stated it United States loses its wars simple as that because it never knows what it's trying to do and uh and it doesn't have tools anymore the again the military tool of the United States is that from 1990s they are good old improved somewhat clumps to the mahawk land attack missile and they have they actually ran out of them really fast just that's it the rest of it what you have are pretty much standard fer from 1990s with somewhat increased like attacks okay let's increase it from 300 to 500 kilometers fine but what is that does is it some kind of new improved uh weapon in terms of the maneuvering characteristics or things of that No, they stick this, you know, new electronics, new chips there which decide nothing and as the result, you know, it's difficult to explain to people who cannot properly process information and especially rely upon propaganda from uh from Ukraine. They believe that data, yeah, Russians lost 500,000 people killed. Yeah, that's Russian economy is about to collapse.
They are incompetent. Simple as that.
And so many of them on social media, right? I still get replies to my post of people saying things that I'm going, "Oh, you really haven't found reality yet." And that's even after >> they are totally detached.
>> Yeah. And I get with the US and its proxy war against Russia, people want to make it look like, oh, that's not a direct, you know, that's not directly from the US. That's the US sending support to Ukraine. Okay. Well, look at the war in Iran. I mean, exactly as you were noting there, the US can't even open the straight of Hormuz. Now they're over here saying, "We just want the straight open." It's like, "Yeah, the straight was open before you launched this war, before you went in and targeted Iranian civilians and took out Iran's leader." And even just the position that the Trump administration is in now. I know that every week it feels like we go through this roller coaster of Trump's on the brink of an attack and then Trump's on the verge of a deal and we never know what is going on. But the options that the US has when it comes to Iran, none of them seem good. I mean, if they go in and they launch another attack, Iran has already said, "Okay, we're going to hit here, here, and here all across the region."
>> They already did today. They did today.
I mean, they have been two of their uh boats have been attacked, and they immediately re responded. I mean, yeah.
Listen, my latest book, which came out two years ago, was called America's Final War. America cannot fight modern war. Simple as that. Against the enemy who is determined, large and understands how to fight the war. And so there you go.
>> Yeah. And you look at the US and you go, okay, you're just going I mean, I guess that's the the sense of the empire and what it does. But yeah, when you see Iran responding in this way and going into I know that they carried out strikes on a US air base in Kuwait and they have been very clear if the US violates the ceasefire well ceasefire with with the ongoing US naval blockade, if it actively violates it with strikes, then Iran is going to respond. How do you view the position that Iran is in here when they haven't even gotten to their most advanced weapons yet?
>> Well, they are dictating the conditions again. the United States lost that war militarily. It is now this political kabuki theater because uh Trump cannot accept the fact that he's not that smart. He doesn't understand the Trump administration is basically infested with neocons. You have this Pete Hex dude who is absolutely he is not even the level of an in harassment things. And so uh you have that and uh Trump it was his issue. he uh is controlled by Netanyahu and he has Mossad all over him around him. So hey, you did what you were told. You believed this. So that tells everything you need to know about you as the PTOS which is the one of the worst not if not the worst uh uh president of the United States who actually is running the country into the ground. he ran there.
Uh he never if he didn't anticipate what would happen and he listened to his Israeli handlers, that tells you everything you need to know about the guy. He's utterly incompetent. He is not adequate apart from the onset of the dementia uh for the post of the president of the United States, you know. And look at this. Good lord. Uh we thought Biden was bad. This is like I mean they all worth each other are worth each other but um yeah it's it's horrible. It's horrible what happened to the United States in a sense that >> yeah it really is and I know even just bringing Israel into the conversation right they're over here and of course Israel can't have a day of peace ever.
They have to continue on with this genocide against the Palestinians in Gaza. Now they're adding to that with an ethnic cleansing campaign targeting the Lebanese civilians. And I know that there has been a lot of talk because obviously Iran has made it very clear that in order for there to be a deal with the US, there has to be peace across the region, especially in Lebanon. So you have Iran over here not quite responding yet, but getting pretty close to it. I mean, I look at Israel and I go, they're not in a good position all around. I mean, this does not spell anything.
>> The war already in Lebanon. They are being pulverized and uh their armor is being well decimated is not the word. Uh it's again polarized literally they are not good army. This is what many people uh and again listen and we know this term I constantly use it. Uh both US military and IDF are locked in the Dutch rather.
You know they must obey to each other.
Pardon my French. you know while in reality being what we see and so in Lebanon they are s they sustaining humiliating defeat because Hezbollah is just wiping out they already lost full armored brigade there and pro so it's how else the only thing they know is how to bomb as their ground force they are third world you know so and uh when you look at this this is uh I don't think Iran really need to do anything because Hezbollah handles it just fine on its own. The the only thing they can explode is to bomb Beirut and create some kind of instability within Lebanon which have been you know uh uh under these conditions for a while now but it's not going to help that's the issue the what hasn't been understood uh Israel you know United States is extension of Israel United States doesn't have US congresses as Knesset 2.0 zero. Uh it was the essentially extension of the Israeli power. But this is what happens when um first the policies both on the foreign uh um relations and internally also with the uh APAC associated structures controlling much of the media and essentially uh controlling the choke point for the points for the entrance of anybody uh into political uh power in United States. Thomas Massi has been defeated basically uh bought out of their you know essentially political career. So uh they retain a significant control over United States but that's the problem they are if you look attentively for all their claim of the global control you know there's all kind they're very provincial country actually you know they are small country which is less than half the size in population of Moscow so if they think that this country with all their you know grossly exaggerating economic power you know can sustain and itself no without United States they just simply will dissolve and here is the issue United itself United States itself right now at the verge of some who knows what something major and it's already happening and uh what can I say um it's over for the western world >> yeah and you look at them and you go okay well these are the consequences of your actions here right we're seeing them play out right now The last thing I wanted to mention, zooming out a little bit and looking at this multi-olar world that we do have, looking at the position that Russia and China are in. I mean, I know that for a while now, they've kind of been trying to let the US down easily a little bit, right? Obviously, Russia is winning and really has won in a lot of ways this war in Ukraine, this proxy war against NATO. But at the same time, they've also been very careful with their handling of the US politically.
So, how do you view kind of that overall relationship, especially as things get worse for the US, worse for Israel, and they start to get more and more desperate here? Well, that's the issue, you know, you want uh to uh control to a degree this asylum patient, you know, who still has a grenade in it. You know, it's in a sense it's a monkey with a grenade and I'm pretty sure, but there is definitely communication between uh United States and Russia on some level.
So it is to control the United States, not to go kaboom on everybody because it there are so many fanatics and if if you look at the so-called Christian Zionists which are Christian is not even applicable here they Zionist these are dispensationalists you know the people fanatics basically believing in all kinds of rapture and I mean this is bizarre it has nothing to do with Christianity and so uh you look at them obviously you need to keep in mind that you have to control people who who knows who may get the access. Granted, of course, that only PTOs has the right to really do it. But the problem is u how do you uh allow this collapse not to actually you know affect everybody in the most dramatic way? Russia and China but especially Russia because it was engaged in the and Iran is consequences of this because uh the United States have been demilitarized essentially through this special military operation.
They wanted the soft landing.
If not, well, I guess uh if it comes down to it, especially considering the uh political trends within the United States, if United States implodes uh economically, uh so what can you do? So there are no I don't see any normal people in power in the United States.
Everything I see is some kind of anomaly you know and uh it's a sad end of to the to the empire but United States have been utterly defeated and this uh again Kabuki theater with uh the drum playing games. uh he handed the United States at its worst humiliating military defeat without first not reversing Biden's uh uh essentially policies regarding Russia and then deciding to do what United States was avoiding to do since the World War II at the end of the World War II uh not hiding behind the backs of its proxies. Many people do not understand that even in Vietnam the main fighting force was actually uh and which was sustaining most of the casualties 1.3 million casualties 350,000 KAS was of course the ARVN which was South Vietnamese army many people think that it was United States which only for no no this were those guys they were not necessarily as good as United States but they were who took you know, basically bought the brunt of it. And so they did the stupidest thing they could have done. They got out from behind the proxy and went mano or mano with a large country and and there you go.
>> Yeah. A country like Iran that has spent the last 47 years preparing for the eventual war with the US and they decided, oh, we're just going to get right into that. And clearly it didn't work out how they thought it would militarily, politically, economically. I mean, the list just goes on. And it'll be interesting to see what they decide to do next. I know that there is a lot at stake here all around. And I always appreciate you taking the time to join me to break down all of the latest here.
Andre Martionov, a veteran, author, and Russian military expert. Thank you so much for your time and insight. If anything in this video resonated with you, be sure to like it, share it with your friends, leave a comment, and as always, don't forget to subscribe, and if you want to keep up with all of my work, make sure that you're subscribed to my page on Substack. That's rachelobelven.substack.com.
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