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[00:00:00]and those guys who want Satishan in which is why see this is a very delicate situation.

[00:00:06]>> Absolutely. I think that's why probably the Congress party is also taking its own time. Closing remarks. Madan Arin how do you see this ending? What what do you expect next?

[00:00:15]>> I think uh well I I would expect some kind of a consensus based on uh you know either a sequence or a time based thing or Congress offers high level room in the national leadership.

[00:00:28]You know there are posts like political secretary or working president and one of them could be kicked upstairs you know caseopal could be kicked upstairs in the party and then let satician rule that would be a wise thing to do but as one journalist friend has just messaged me there's a conflict of interest when Casey Venu goal selects the MLAs and then he parro paradrops on them it's a moral crisis within Congress but moral crisis cannot have our TV discussion solutions so I think they need to think forward but create an accommodative stance where all three Romesh Chanala and Shi Venugopal and Satishan can get to do something. They have to be creative about it and what at this moment Congress really lacks is political creativity.

[00:01:11]>> Absolutely. And and probably political imagination to maneuver sources and like Shankar was also saying probably we also need these a rules-based order when it comes to Congress party. Thank you Rashid. Thank you Mr. Ayar and thank you Madan Arayan for joining us. We do have a piece of breaking news from the state of Tamil Nad. Now uh AIDMK is split wide open after the floor test. Remember this happened today morning where 25 AIDMK [music] MLAs voted 22 MLAs voted in favor of Vijay Shanmugamani Vijay Bhaska senior leaders [music] of the AIDMK part of the rebel faction will now face heat as EIDMK [music] chief. Also general secretary of the party edat Pani Shami has removed the party positions [music] of CV Shan Mugam SP Veumani and uh C Vijay Bhaskar. Remember these are uh rebel leaders who have voted in favor of [music] TVK. They also spoke in favor of Vijay as the chief minister.

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[00:03:15]Joining me now is Sam Daniel. Sam, this was expected some action against the rebel leaders. In fact, Arai Palani Shami urged the chief minister today not to actually, you know, listen to what the rebel faction is saying and he also in some ways said that he should not have visited them yesterday. But what is the action that's been taken against these [music] rebel leaders?

[00:03:40]Well, to begin with, EPS has removed them from the party positions these um MLAs held. For instance, the key person SP Wimmani has been removed from the headquarters secretary position he held.

[00:03:55]In the case of CB Shanbukam, he used to be the organizing secretary. He has been stripped of it. And Kamaraj and several others have been stripped from whatever positions they held. they've not been removed from the party and the next step we understand would be for the party leadership to write to the speaker uh perhaps to take action against the anti-defectionection law. There are two possibilities. One the the speaker may take this as uh uh a violation under the anti-defectionection law and disqualify them or he may use his discretion and uh not do that. In that case, those numbers would be adding a kind of a booster to the TVK tally as we saw today uh in the conference vote. But if he cracks the whip and then it could be they if they're disqualified, it could pave way for elections and then the TVK may hope that just like the way they swept the polls this time emerging the single largest party, those seats may turn to come to their in their favor. But we'll have to wait and see. This could become a longdrawn legal battle. But AADMQ sources indicate that what these rebel MLAs have done is a violation which could attract the provisions of the anti-defection law. But other side claims that there was uh no official whip and they enjoy the majority and uh what they have done to support TVK is technically uh goes well with the purpose of their party to be against DMK and to work to defeat them. Right.

[00:05:30]>> They find nothing wrong and they hope that legally >> in this it is 24 AIDMK MLAs who voted in favor of TVK and Vijay versus the 22 MLAs under Epati Palm Chami the general secretary of the AIDMK who voted against him. [music] So it looks like the AIDMK could be headed for another split.

[00:05:47]Remember that there was initially a split a few years ago with Arab party and O Paneer Salv fighting that bitter battle not just politically but also legally. Moving on, Tamil Nad government on Wednesday revoked its government order which appointed Ricky Rahan Pandit Wetry Whale and astrologer as your officer on special duty OST to chief minister Joseph Aay following criticism from various quarters including those made in the assembly earlier in the day.

[00:06:13]Now this criticism was not it just came not just from allies but also from political rivals. All of them pointed this out asking how could the chief minister institutionalize astrology in governance. Now the Vijay led government has had appointed Mr. Vetri to the post and it drew severe criticism even from the allies. RMDK general secretary Premilata Vijay Kant who is in the opposition now strongly opposed the decision on the floor of the assembly.

[00:06:39]The chief minister while speaking said that he will rethink uh the order and the revoking of the decision came soon after that. Now this is after the chief minister passed his first legislative hurdle in the assembly winning the trust vote on the floor of the house with 144 supporters. Meanwhile 22 MLAs went against the confidence motion and five of them even abstained from voting but clearly Vijay has exceeded expectations when it come to the when when it came to the flow test ahead of the commencement of voting. Leader of opposition Udiniti Stalin led a walk out of the DMK MLAs along with the lone DMDK MLA Premla Vijay Kant and this is after he gave a speech criticizing the TVK government.

[00:07:19]He assailed the chief minister for meeting uh the rebels and he questioned what is happening is change or exchange.

[00:07:26]So what are the impressions of Vijay Sarcar? It's just been 5 days. Did Vijay the chief minister do the right thing by revoking uh the order on the astrologer being appointed as the OSD or is he getting too carried away by the allies and what does the future look like for the TV? That's what we discuss in the course of the next few minutes. We'll be joined by a band of guests. But first, here's a look at what Udidi Stalin the LOP in the Tamil Nad assembly said today.

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[00:08:32]Joining us now is Akiraak Krishna, senior journalist. Narendraati, spokesperson of the BJP. We'll also be joined by S. Nagaraj who's a political analyst. Thank you all of you for being part of this broadcast. Narendraati to you. First, your first observations on what the chief minister did today, sir.

[00:08:48]Do you think that this was expected or do you think that this was a little too much >> on what on on answering the >> on? Yeah. On on revoking the order on Rahan Pandit.

[00:09:03]>> No, see this is really absurd. You know it is the prerogative of the chief minister and he has got the right to you know appoint anyone. Nobody can deny that legally absolutely there is no problem and the in fact before the withdrawal of this order the Mr. Nirmal Kumar the minister of Tamil Nadu government and TVK's secretary or something he had very clearly said that he was a spokesperson of the party and he has got they have got every right to do that but only because of DMK and its ali's pressure remember this is the first day first order Mr. Vijay was forced to withdraw this and that is the weakness. Now the DMK threatens for each and everything. Yesterday we >> How can an astrologer hold the government official position? What is the message that sent out to a state?

[00:09:54]>> What is your no what is your problem? I don't understand. I I am asking you is there any legal bar?

[00:09:59]>> No, there's no legal bar but generally you know there's no problem against people following astrology. But you know there is also >> see for that for that he is clear they gave a very clear thing they said that they are their spokesperson media person it is his proposition what is your problem I don't understand >> okay Christian how do you see that is for them to decide that is that is for them to decide the DMK and it is particularly the VCK maji the political of the state has been such that you Scientific thinking is valued. Rational thinking needs to be you know sort of not just promoted. It also needs to be valued isn't it? Are there other >> absolutely I I I agree with that uh view completely because uh see astrology is not science though it is taught in Shastra University at the MA level and there is also be a PhD program there. It is not science. There is no absolutely no way that astrology can be claimed to be a science. If if so then you will have it in all universities across the world. That is not the fact here. Now the only problem is that he is an astrologer and uh then Vijay backtracked. Now the point is that I think we need to appreciate Vijay for doing this. There is criticism. Uh there is also public sentiment against appointing an astrologer to a post. Uh that is his profession. That's that is the whole problem. It is not that you know if he's a spokesperson appointing him to that position absolutely there is no issue at all. But his main profession he he believes in this profession. He does this. It's not his uh you know kind of time pass kind of thing. So that is a entire problem. I think he did well. Uh I think there is a lot of positive feedback on that and I think uh Vijay really scored uh you know it's it's very clear you know governments can always say that uh we have made the decision we are not going to walk back on that that's been the that's been what the BJP has been doing for instance but that is not the way that TVK wants to go forward and the allies far more seriously than a lot of others.

[00:11:58]>> Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. I I agree. I agree with that completely. Now the point happens to be that this is a government which is willing to say that okay we made a mistake so we are going back on that now let us start on a fresh Vijay Khan said an important thing he said that you know if he is your astrologer have him as your personal staff why give him the OSD position >> see first of all I'm telling you did Mr. Vijay tell that he is this man was his astrologer who said it was only the opposition parties which said the official TV spokesperson and the minister says that he is our media person and the spokesperson please understand this is not the issue who said who says he's an astrologer but I'm telling you >> but the whole world knows that he's an astrologer isn't it >> please I'm not bothered about who is the it is not my botheration but the thing is that why withdraw. The withdrawal came because of the stiff opposition from DMK and its allies >> because they are afraid that this DMK government is pressurizing and he buckled to the pressure. This is what I'm saying otherwise definitely they would not have done how much >> one can say that you know the arguments that were made by you know Timamu Mansari or for that matter VCK or Primala Vijay Kant were probably convincing enough for Vijay right because a lot of things that they said were very important isn't it? Oh no see see okay I I will come for this argument also what if an astrologer is being appointed what is your problem what is his profession see he says that's what I'm saying again and again I'm telling you Nirmal Kumar after this he clears very clearly he says that he is our spokesperson media man and he have given lot of interviews also he is their adviser media adviser what is your problem that is what I asking and who said he is a national Is there any official position for the party or Mr. Vijay that he is an astrologer and it is a real shame on people you know calling see this >> okay this is this is in some ways you know somebody told me yesterday that he can't be paying tribute to par and also be you know claiming that he stands for rationality is that what is hurting Vijay that you know the fact that >> then you tell me then you tell me one thing was I am straight my question is very straight >> yes >> Mrs. Dura Stalin the mother of opposition leader Stalin she goes to temple she believes in astrology everything you tell me now what is your problem >> no absolutely sir but then she's not the OSD right she's not making her you know personal beliefs are not the question here the problem is >> come on no personally what is that what I'm asking the to the chief minister is a very important post R I also think that you know there could be Feeling that social justice in Tamil Nad is also linked to rational thinking.

[00:14:56]Is that what is going on in Vijay's head? What made him revoke this order?

[00:15:00]Is he thinking about it or is he just doing this out of fear?

[00:15:03]>> No, I I don't think it is fear. I it is very clear that you know Tamil Nadu accepts certain things and Tamil Nadu will not be accept will be will not be able to accept certain things. That is where the the astrology bit comes in.

[00:15:15]The problem is that so far there has been no astrologer or Swami G appointed to in a government committee for any purpose in Tamil Nadu. It can happen at the national level. It can happen at the BJP. It's a completely different thing but it cannot happen in Tamil Nadu as of now because uh Vijay for once he still wants to be seen as a party with the idea of having Dravidian values at its heart. That is why the first meeting or the first port of call that he went to was Piridel where you know which is which is an institution that Per literally built up and Vani and all of that. So so it's very clear the path that Vijay wants to go. It can be even optics. I'm not saying that Vijay might believe or might not believe in this but the point happens to be that he doesn't want to be seen as somebody who promotes superstition. Number one. Number two, it is very clear this person who astrologer is on record saying a lot of things including that I mean for months together he has been saying that Vijay will be the person who will become chief minister and Vijay trusts him that all that is a completely personal thing and that's the whole point right I mean like Vijay is a new person to the job he has as far as he is concerned he wanted to wants to possibly keep the personal different from the political that is why though of course he has had differences with his wife and uh there is uh he he has a friend in his and all of that he keeps it completely private. Of course, Trisha attended his swearing in but beyond that she's not accompanying him daily.

[00:16:46]>> You know the feeling that he said you know the the one line that he said during his oath taking that I'm the only power center. He probably is also apprehensive that people might be thinking that he's being controlled by somebody else. He does not want that to be negated. Is that why he's doing this?

[00:16:59]Now, now he is being controlled by the DMK and it als the the opposition leader he was sitting you know you also know Tamar Mr. Rais my friend also knows today in assembly he said opposition leader using this word against the ruling party as that means what this is how the language of DMK has been and absolutely there was no opposition from the TV case you know members are even the chief minister even yesterday when he was talking about sanadam dharma Mr. the chief minister was a mute spectator because he doesn't want to have a rub with these people till he gets some majority. So it is very clear that the DMK and its alies are literally threatening the chief minister and TV.

[00:17:55]See nar one one point on that the word was removed from the this thing from the record of the assembly by all of us should not be carrying this because that that part has been expuned by the speaker he clearly said that JD pra we also we also have s nagaraj joining us he's a political analyst Mr. Nagaraj, how do you look at Vijay revoking that decision on AS OST? This is one of his major what to say like you know going back on a major decision by the chief minister. What does this say about his abilities as the chief minister?

[00:18:34]>> See he always compared himself with MGR Jalita right? Both MGR and Jalita are known for courage. Courage is the actual word. uh for example in the same place if there is MJ or Jalita they would have told it is my ministry I will decide who should be with me who should not with me right who should be part of the team which I bend down to the opposition that is the first thing that first reaction or first thing that we could tell and another one important thing here is uh Vijay is always going on to the DMK narrative he's falling into the DMK narrative his polit politics is always going to be opposite to DMK from now on.

[00:19:17]But if he's falling for all the DMK narratives, what kind of politics he's going to do is the biggest question mark. And even in today's speech, there were several questions were asked. They asked about uh horse trade and everything. But I think he has not answered anything straight in the assembly. Then he gave a tweet few minutes I mean ago. So there is no clarity in his politics or he's afraid of doing politics against DMK.

[00:19:45]>> Very very quickly RK respond to that.

[00:19:47]Does this show him as a weak chief minister?

[00:19:49]>> No. Let's start with MJR and Jala itself. Obviously not. It doesn't show him as a weak chief minister. MJ and Jala believed in astrology. They had astrologers. In fact Jala's astrologer was we all know that he used to come frequently to pardon residence. But she didn't give him an OSD position. She didn't give any position. Now the point happens to be that Vijay wants to be the guy doing the right thing or seen as doing the right thing. It's as simple as that.

[00:20:15]>> It's very rare that RK actually praises Vijay. So we have a we have some news here. Thank you so much all of you for joining me on this broadcast. It's clear that Vijay has taken this decision after criticism flowed from allies. But clearly he also probably understands that this was a bit too much from his side. That's why uh the decision to appoint his astrologer as uh has as his OSD has now been devoked. Moving on to some breaking news also from the state of Tamil Nad. Chief Minister Vijay has condemned neat [music] paper leak. Vijay the chief minister has renewed uh the scrapping of neat demand [music] that's often raised in Tamil Nad by Dvidian parties including the DMK and the AIDMK.

[00:20:54]Now TVK joins the brigade of people who are anti-meat. Remember DVK in its political campaigns has also maintained that it is anti-meat.

[00:21:03]Vijay has said that repeated leaks [music] have happened which is why it's important to abolish neat. I remember in one of those meetings he said that children youngsters have to look beyond the neat examination [music] as well but the chief minister has now said that students need to be admitted on basis of their class 12 marks. My colleague Sam Daniel joins us with more details on this. And um this response from the chief minister of Tamil Nad comes a [music] bit too late but comes a little late I think but uh is um Vijay also trying to sort of compensate for the time loss [music] because this he's he's making it clear that he is calling for uh neat with structural flaws and he's saying that it's important to uh you know take class 12 marks into consideration.

[00:21:48]>> That's right. One, he calls the present series of neat question paper leaks a proof of what he calls structural flaws.

[00:21:56]And he also reiterates Tamil Naru's long stand over neat, calling it unacceptable, saying it works against the poor, marginalized, disadvantaged and those who are coming from rural areas. and he has reiterated the state's demand that need system should be done away with and the government should go for permitting states to p to to go to allow medical admission on the basis of class 12 marks. Remember this has been a longdrawn legal battle. Almost for a decade, Tamil Nadu did not have any kind of entrance test for medical admission, saying it works against the interest of brilliant but poor students from rural areas who cannot afford private coaching and that it works in favor of the affluent classes and Vijay for for quite some time the opposition was critical that Vijay has not responded and Vijay has not made his stand clear on need and now he clearly toasts the Tamil Nadu's long line on this Right. Thank you Sam Daniel for joining us. Uh Chief Minister Vijay and the TVK have made their position official position on NEAT very clear. This comes after the NEAT UG examination 2026 held on the 3rd of May was cancelled. Fresh dates [music] are to be announced soon. Vijay has asked for abolish the NEAT examination altogether and he has said that class 12 marks of aspirants needs to be need to be taken into consideration. Moving on to another piece of breaking news.

[00:23:22]uh Trisha movies Trisha's movie actor Thrisha's movie Karpul has uh has got five shows uh and it has it has been it's going to release tomorrow is what we understand this is a very famous movie that was released a few years ago it's all set [music] to release tomorrow this is a surya star Tamilad government has allowed five shows per day for 2 days that's [music] the big news that's coming in it's good news for Tisha Krishnan also seen as a close friend of uh the chief minister Vijay and Tamaradu state government has allowed special shows for this movie. This movie is called Karipur. It has actress Trisha and actress Surya in it and this movie is going to be uh released. State government has given permission for this. Five shows will be held [music] per day and uh the shows could start as early as 9:00 a.m. And uh the permission is only for first two days 14th of May and 15th of May. This is what we understand five [music] shows per day.

[00:24:18]But this is also because usually government state government gives these orders only when production house of big star movies put in such requests. But this thing this this permission has come in for Trisha Surya starer Karp.

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[00:34:47]Who will be the chief minister of Kerala? It's been 10 days and counting and the answer my friend is [music] still blowing in the wind. Over a week since the assembly results came out on the 4th of May. All states that went to elections, [music] Assam, Tamil Nadu, West Bengal, even Puducherry have decided their chief ministers done with their swearing in ceremonies and in the case of Tamil Nadu have even had their share of the first few controversies.

[00:35:13]But in the Congress in Keralam, the multiple rounds of consultation still continue. A 40minute huddle took place this evening. The high command over the last few days has been summoning various leaders. One such consultation took place yesterday. Again today there was a 40-minute long meeting and they are still pondering over their choices within the party. A not so subtle flexing of muscle has also started in Ward. Mysterious posters appeared warning Rahul and Priyanka Gandhi against making Casey Wenugopal the chief minister. In other parts of the state, the same person case Venu Kopal his posters were being subjected were being fel with a mil Kabhisham. Now all sides have started a vigorous whisper campaign in their favor. If you have the IUML and a very crucial ally of the Congress in Keralam, they have weighed in in favor of Vi Satishan. Now you've got Casey Venugopal as the pick of the central high command. Looking at past president whenever the congress has come into government in any state the camp politics has predictively kicked in.

[00:36:23]Three camps had play in Keralam as well.

[00:36:26]One of course is for leader of opposition Vidi Satishan. The second is for senior leader Romesh Jennithala and finally there is general secretary of the party Casey Venu Gopal himself.

[00:36:36]Somebody believed to be extremely extremely close to the high command is always seen at the elbow of Rahul Gandhi. Now with this tug of war continuing for 10 days and no real resolution in sight even now the BJP has naturally grabbed this moment to take pot shots.

[00:36:57]In fact, it never happened in the history of Keralum.

[00:37:00]UDF secured a thumping majority. I mean what did you say more than 100 uh seeds then even after days and even after so-called hectic consultations discussions nothing is coming out and absolutely ridiculous position there are group dances taking place by everywhere marches they even tore out woman jandi's photo so congress is always uh illf famous for its worst kind of groupism but this has limited I mean has no limit at all. Moreover, uh see one can predict the future of this government before it begins.

[00:38:01]No days per Congress party complete confusion is a proper democratic functioning of a democratic party which has more than 100 years history. But here is a BJP which has not even crossed 50 years history.

[00:38:35]They can adopt any means to stamp their dictatorial you know word to select a candidate or form a government. Congress is not like that.

[00:38:47]>> And that brings us to the big question of the day. What does one make of the open claims to power being made by all of these contenders in Keralam? Is the Congress veering dangerously close to repeating its past mistakes where a delay in deciding on leadership has led to an implosion? And finally, the milliondoll question, will the claim of the foot soldiers prevail? Or will the will of the high command eventually gain precedence? And in fact, the news that is just coming in right now, the Congress huddle ended quite a while ago in Delhi. But this announcement is not going to happen today [music] either.

[00:39:22]Now the wait for a chief minister for Keralam continues even now another day another deadline the final decision is still awaited joins us live from the residents of Malikarjun.

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[00:41:26]Congress Congress leadership.

[00:42:06]So typical but ultimately everyone knows where that decision is going to be taken. Janine, thank you very much for joining us because tomorrow again I suspect is going to be a very very long day for you. Nikil Jen is here with us in the studio. We are also joined by Anil Anthony, national secretary and national spokesperson of the BJP. Anand Kochuki will be joining us in just a second and Mr. Araj Gopalan, senior journalist looking very very gleeful this evening.

[00:42:38]Nikil Jen, not so much what's happening 10 days Nikil Jen BJP has got its binoculars out wondering where is the chief minister?

[00:42:48]>> What's happening is that we see a Kerala Congress government forming in Kerala. I don't know why the BJP is so jelly about it.

[00:42:54]>> [snorts] >> They've been trying and clamoring to make a government in Tamil Nadu in Kerala in so many parts of the country but they're not able to do that and now the Congress is forming a government in Kerala. And uh let's remember the difference between the BJP and the Congress is that in the BJP you have two people who are deciding people by a perchi system where even the former chief ministers don't know who would be you know announced as the chief minister but in the congress you have the high command of the party consulting with the state in charge with the PCC president with the former PCC presidents the former LOP you have three very strong people who are in contention for the race the MLA's views are being account the people's polls are being taken into account and accordingly a decision is being made and if you want to make Everyone watching you right now knows exactly who is the person taking the decision. What are all these consultations you're talking about?

[00:43:42]These consultations have carried on for 10 days. Ultimately, the people who are organizing the meeting, you might as well take a call, right?

[00:43:58]The only reason it is taking 10 days is because views of different stakeholders are being taken and they're being weighed against each other because as has been reported in the media Casey Venugopal seems to have a support of the majority of the MLAs while Vidi Satishan seems to get the maximum popular vote while Ramsh Chanala continues to be the senior most leader of the Congress in Kerala so far as the limited state of Kerala is concerned. Now these are tough calls that the high command and the party leadership would have to make that who do we go with? Do we go with the people as the constitution prescribes that the MLAs are to choose the chief minister or do we listen to the will of the voters and we go by a public poll or do we give credence to the seniority metric that the senior most person should be made the chief minister and these are tough calls to make which is why it is taking time but >> aren't these things that are decided before going into election you already have a Romesh Jennithala who has led your campaign since 2021 or is the real problem Nikl Jen these posters that are coming up all over Keralam you've got uh posters in vionard where somebody is threatening of all people Rahul Gandhi and Priyanka Gandhi and saying you will never be able to win vanard you'll never be able to win a matei so now they are not even I mean even the pretense is gone now it's an open warning it's almost like a semi-rebellion which is happening >> we don't know who put up these disgusting posters nobody should be speaking in that manner to for any elected member of parliament whether the leader of the congress or the BJP I don't support that and I'm sure these are not congress workers for all we know our very good friend Mr. Anthony has put them up. We don't really know. So I'm not going to give any credence to that.

[00:45:29]What is important is that discussions with the stakeholders are happening.

[00:45:32]Malikarjun Kar is on it. Sonia Gandhi is on it. Rohul Gandhi, Casey Wanugopal, the Kerala state in charge, the Kerala PCC, Deepadas Munchi and all the other stakeholders that are involved. And you say that these are decisions that should have been taken before the elections. I strongly disagree and I'll I'll tell you why.

[00:45:46]>> When you're contesting a number of seats, you don't know which of the seats are the ones which will act which you'll actually win. You don't know who your MLAs will be. It's only after the result that you know okay these are the people who've been selected as MLAs and these are their views and these are their contentions, these are their likes, these are their dislikes. All these decisions can only happen once you have the results of the election and that is exactly what is happening in.

[00:46:08]>> So when you went into 2024 elections you didn't know who your elected MPs would be. So you you would possibly have thought I wonder who the LOP is going to be. Maybe it's going to be Rahul Gandhi, maybe it's going to be Karth Chadam.

[00:46:19]since you really didn't know who the elected MC there's always this suspense you know before you actually know the results but Anil Anthony while the Congress was busy taking the views of all of its MLAs were you and your three MLAs busy putting up all these disgusting posters according to Nikl Jen trying to put pressure on Congress trying to you know fish in troubled waters and saying in Mayanard that Rahul Gandhi Priyanka Gandhi you better not make Casey Wopal what do you have against Casey Vuggopal Anil Thank you. Thank you for having me in this show. And first of all again since you bought the three uh the case of the three MLAs we are just making it very clear that it's not the Bya Janada party's concern of who the Congress chief minister should be and that is an internal matter of the Congress but there are four or five points that I want to bring to you and the rest of the audience and one of them is by now already the Bard Jana party alongside the central government we have around 22 NDA governments and you can see the difference between the BJP and Congress very clearly. where in our there is a democratic process, there is unity, consensus and you know there is you know there is full trusted now leadership of a prime minister and all the processes in every state has gone very well in a very seamless manner and you can see what is happening in the congress and the next two three are concerned in the congress itself where one thing again after all this fiasco in Kerala something which is becoming very evident like one the high command of the congress party which used to be the high command right now they are losing a lot of it is not the old high command any longer they have lost a lot of strength where somebody like AC venual who is seen as a right-hand person of the um of Mr. Rahul Gandhi who wants to be the chief minister there is a lot of strong opposition from Kerala where he is not allowed to be the chief minister at this moment the second thing is you know again um the Congress party has completely now given up on future national elections because Mr. Vinu Gopal is not some you know some leader of the Congress technically in the organization he is number two in the Congress after the Congress president he's a general secretary organization and instead of looking after his pan India role he is very keen to go back to Gerala and be the G minister there which means that they have given up on their future electoral process now you're just playing mind games with the Congress do you want Casey Bopal to stay at the center or go to Kerala >> I mean first of all you said this is their internal matter now you want Casey Bopal stay in Delhi. What's your interest in this?

[00:48:50]>> Yes, >> you're just playing mind games.

[00:48:52]>> No, we don't want these are not our interest. Our interest is to ensure that the BI jandha party grows in Kerala also just like every other state and that is happening also. We had three seats this time. The third thing this is the most important thing which I would like to say and the third thing is Mr. Vidi Sadishan at this moment I don't think when when compared to Mr. Venugal or other contenders he is having that many MLA support but let's say right now most of the support seems to be coming from the allies which is predominantly the Muslim League and then there are other parties including SDPI welfare party many of these parties seems to be very allied to Mr. Sadishan and they are the people who are pushing him the most and this is something which the BJP has very clearly said before the election itself that the UDF government if it comes if it comes will be a party which will be appeasing the minorities quite a lot and already with Mr. Mr. Sadishan and his support system we are seeing very clearly that this is the kind of government that may come if Mr. Sadishan is the chief minister. So these are some of the key observations the bar.

[00:49:49]>> So you don't care who becomes the chief minister right because through the day I've been I' I found very touching concern on the part of many BJP spokespersons who are saying I've got my binocular out. I want to see who's become chief minister. It's been 10 days. It's like you're standing there with a stopwatch. So you don't care whether they make it in 10 days or 10 months or 10 weeks. The BJP doesn't care right >> see we are concerned about the state of Kerala and the people of Kerala because right now it is 10 days and we already know the kind of government that is going to come in Kerala where infighting will be very common you'll be having Venugopal group Mr. Janatal group.

[00:50:23]>> Okay, this is the aim fighting that they're concerned about. You know, you're going to basically push the state into chaos and we're already seeing an example of it with all of these competing claims and the poster wars.

[00:50:31]Nikl Jen, >> but first of all, on a lighter note, whenever the BJP spokespersons come out and make an argument, we don't care. But then they go around giving a two-minute monologue, I'm reminded of the times when I would, you know, hear my masi and my mom gossiping about something and they would say, but they'd have a 15-minute gossip session on the very same thing. That is exactly what the BJP is doing. See you say that you are you are concerned about the people of Kerala but very clearly Mr. Anthony, the people of Kerala are not concerned with you. In an assembly of over of about 140 seats, you guys have gotten three MLA seats.

[00:51:03]The people of Kerala have squarely rejected you. Out of 20 MPs, you don't even have two MPs. Right? So, let the pe let the you know the process that the people of Kerala have voted for decide.

[00:51:14]The people of Kerala have voted for the UDF, not for the BJP, not for the NDA.

[00:51:19]Let the UDS process come into play. Of course, you'll always have these jibes that this government is engaging in minority appeasement and this and that.

[00:51:26]However, that is not what the track record of.

[00:51:28]>> Okay, Mr. Rajupal, is it a case of Sar Grapes where the BJP is just trying to create trouble for the Congress? It's okay. They will take their time and they will eventually decide who the chief minister is going to be. How does it matter to anybody else? And it's only a question of having a surplus talent, a surplus of talent. You know, it's a problem of plenty that the Congress has.

[00:51:48]What I learned from many CWC members there are three contenders, Sadishan and Samara. There are three Gandhis each Gandhi picks up A B C D. So therefore the confusion at the top level between Sonia, Rahul and Pyanka that reflects on the ground level. Second thing my important question is Rahul Gandhi has been saying OBC OBC you know etc. All the three are upperccast. Where is the Rahul Gandhi? And second thing now I finally say Indian National Congress according to Mr. Narendra Modi it was MMC Muslim Mau Congress but you know what I would say because of Mr. Rahul Gandhi attending Vijay ceremony in Tamil Nadu. I foresee a situation in all southern states Congress is going to be very you know a contesting the 2029 election. Instead of saying Indian national congress we can say south Indian congress because there is no congress in north India. Third point now I will show you three fingers.

[00:52:54]>> You you one.

[00:52:57]>> Okay. The the the finger next to the thumb. Go on.

[00:53:00]>> This one. This one.

[00:53:02]>> Okay. Your first finger. First finger.

[00:53:04]Yes. First, you won the case.

[00:53:08]>> Okay.

[00:53:10]I'm I'm not sure that's that's how easy the choice is going to be. But Anand Kukuri, the issue on a serious note is not so much about the time being taken.

[00:53:21]It is about the power play within the party and with the kind of history that the Congress has had that is making many people wonder if we are going to see a repeat. And why do I say this? I want the viewers to take a look at a picture.

[00:53:34]So you had the observer Mr. Mul Vasnik and suddenly you have this this picture being leaked to the press where Mul Vasnik is carrying a file and one paper is very prominently visible and what is on that paper? You've got the names of all the Congress MLAs and you've got KC KC KC plus RC KC KC KC written over there. If this is not an attempt to try and put pressure on the central leadership, what is it? And this makes one wonder if what happened in Punjab, what happened in Rajasthan, what happened in Chhattisgarh, if we are going to see a replay of that in Kerala as well. But you have a clear mandate but you end up messing it up.

[00:54:18]>> Uh hi Patma. So what I think is that uh you know since uh the UDF got 102 seats uh that is uh 32 more than 31 more than the majority mark the uh you know the general secretary organization Casey Mayopal thought that he can you know get uh the crown on a platter that there are so many seats and uh there are there is no precedent of resort politics in Kerala unlike uh in in other states including in Karnataka. So Casey Benukabal thought that you know he was setting the ground he was setting the stage he already got all the MLAs how he got the MLAs that's a different question in 2018 December when Ashok Gord became the uh Rajasthan chief minister from the position that he that he currently holds general secretary organization replacing the popular Sachin pilot who led the party to victory in Rajasthan at that point Casey Benu cobel had zero MLAs backing him in Kerala so how did he get 47 MLAs to back him out of 63 63 Congress MLAs 47 are backing Casey Benopal he got that by being close to Rahul Gandhi the power center of the party so KC Benopal might have might technically have 47 MLAs out of 63 in his pocket right now he also has the Congress KPCC president and the working presidents supporting him most of the past KPCC presidents whom Rahul Gandhi consulted they're also supporting him but How did he get all those people to back him? By being the power center in Delhi, by being the the confidant of Rahul Gandhi. So this uh support that he has garnered is actually technical in nature. In 2018 he had no MLS. Now he got so many MLS. So that is one point.

[00:56:06]The second point that Anil raised about Muslim League supporting Vi Satishan that's that's true. Muslim League has gone out of its way to support Vidi Satishan which uh you know which is kind of messing up with Satishian's candidature because Satishan you know Muslim League can put pressure sorry Muslim League can voice its opinion but putting pressure on the high command to to name somebody as the chief minister is going out of the way it it actually it can actually boomerang on Vidi Sadishan and Romeshell as Mr. Kapal said that the three Gandhis have three choices. Rahul Gandhi's obvious choice is Quesy Benagopal. Priyanka's choice is Vidy Satishan and Sonia Gandhi's choice is Romesh Chenitra. So the question the answer to your question is who will get which Gandhi will get his his or her way will will be what?

[00:57:04]>> My question is why why should it be why should it be a decision taken between [clears throat] the family members?

[00:57:09]Aren't the MLA supposed to take that decision? Isn't the foot soldier who has led the entire campaign who from 2016 has worked on the ground? Isn't he or 2021 worked on the ground a leader of opposition? Isn't he supposed to be the natural candidate for chief minister?

[00:57:25]Then it again fits perfectly into the allegations against the congress that irrespective of how much work you do on the ground Nikil Jen ultimately it is going to be a bachi system based on which Gandhi member prevails.

[00:57:39]>> Absolutely not. First of all let me correct Mr. Anand on one point he says that Rahul Gandhi's obvious choice is Ky Kesi Venugopal because Casey Venopal is close to Rahul Gandhi. If you look at Rahul Gandhi's pattern in the past never has a person been made chief minister just because they are proximate to Rahul Gandhi. If anything a lot of people you speak to in the Congress who are close to Rahul Gandhi they tell you that Rahul Gandhi would not want that as the obvious choice because then he's open to those allegations and that is also why it is a little difficult for the Congress I command to decide on it. Number one. Number two, had it >> DK Shukumar says hello.

[00:58:10]>> No, no. So no uh you you look at Jotra Data Sinda Jotra Sinda you might remember Padma you're an old journalist that you know you you used to call them young Turks Melindora Jotrada Sinda and a bunch of them they were very close to Rahul Gandhi but when it came to making the chief minister in Madhya Pradesh the party decided on what the MAS wanted and the MA did not want Mr. Sinda despite the fact that Mr. India was the person in the state who was closest to Rahul Gandhi decide you have already sent the observers to Thranand Puram. Why are the meetings being held in Delhi? Why are all these meetings over the last three days being held in Delhi if the MLAs have to decide? The MLAs are not even present in this meeting. My friend >> Padma the national parties have to decide by their national power center.

[00:58:54]The BJP also holds meetings like this in Delhi and as does the Congress party which is perfectly fair and fine. The point is who is attending those meetings. It's not like it's only people in Delhi who are attending the meetings.

[00:59:04]The state presidents, the former state presidents, the MLAs, the in charges, the co-incharges, the party president, the former party president, all the people, all the stakeholders are being consulted, the observers, >> right? And all these pictures being leaked, all of that is pure coincidence.

[00:59:19]Suddenly this one picture emerges with Casey Casey Casey written on it. All of that is purely coincidental. Right, Mr. Raj Gopal?

[00:59:25]>> There was a picture that was being carried some media, you know, posters.

[00:59:29]>> That's right. Because because Mulvasnik is such a new politician that he doesn't know the waiting media is going to get that picture exactly spot on very conveniently exactly that page has been kept open to the media with the name of Casey Benu Gopal in all the columns exposed. Anyway, >> first of all that that is a page that only has wanted to pull that he would have you know opened the summary page number one. Number two, see honestly padma the kind of zoom today's cameras have you really don't know what catches the >> right exactly Mr. Rajopalad my point is SA has sent a circular and also issued a press statement that he's ready to sit outside in the sense he will not join the cabinet he will be MLA what would be mean you know if two contenders are going to have a heavy portfolio and Sish who worked hard for the elections he's going to sit idle now second thing I want to ask Mr. An to explain to NDTV viewers that we sit are they from OBC or OC that s an can say that >> sir although although before Mr. Kukuri answers. I think this is slightly touchy right now for the BJP. Haven't you just installed Suindu Adikari and Himantab Biswa Sharma in West Bengal and Assam respectively? I think this whole issue of Brahman versus OBC versus upperccast versus backwards. That's slightly touchy topic even right now. But go on Anandi.

[01:00:53]>> One small point also not to forget the BJP took nine long days to decide that the incumbent CM under whose name the election was fought would continue as the CM. Let's not forget that Hima's oath only happened on the 12th. The results were out on the third and the BJP was mighty silent for 9 days.

[01:01:08]>> On a more serious note, I want to ask, do you see some kind of rebellion within the ranks? Irrespective of who becomes, >> do you see the other leaders stepping up and saying, "Forget it. There's really no point doing this job anymore. It's a thankless job. I quit." Anukuri.

[01:01:24]>> Yeah. I I I I actually see a lot of rebellion happening if Casey Bueno is installed at the behest of Rahul Gandhi regardless of the wider wide consultations that he has undertaken. If Casey Benuopal is installed tomorrow at 11:00 a.m. in the morning, Kerala will will see an uproar. There will be there will be a lot of protest across the state and not and not just from the congressmen. A lot of people actually wanted to vote out Pinaray Vij and they they did everything. I mean even people who are not Congress voters even they managed to you know even they came out in large numbers women came out in large numbers to vote for the UDF. So if uh you know installing one of the MLAs whether it's vidi satis or even raid that that might uh that might be okay with even the muslim league and the other you know the general public the general public of course want vidi satish but if venual is installed because there is already a lot of public opinion against venual in Kerala's public sphere and on also on social media uh you know a lot of people have put in put up flex boards against Casey Banukopal and these are not just Vidy Sadishian loyalists there are other people who are doing that and even people outside the Congress party look you were blaming AK Anthony now you got Anand Kukodi actually attesting to the fact that people locals who want Vid Sachin to become >> are they from which you cast are they from >> local people he does not have the public sentiment >> that's the point worth it salt you will always have multiple strong leaders you would have their factions you would have their respective supporters And that is something that we've always seen across the country across party lines.

[01:03:06]>> But here is a senior journalist telling you that having Casey Bonugopal as chief minister is going to be suicidal. He can see it right now that the public sentiment is not with him. The only thing that he has going is that he is the right-hand man. He is the shadow of Rahul Gandhi inside the Lok Sabha period.

[01:03:21]>> See that is his view >> that he has the year of the leadership.

[01:03:24]>> No, that is his view. I viferously disagree with it. All of you are showing reports in the media that a majority of the MLAs of the Congress, an overwhelming majority are supporting Casey Wanogal. Then how much is telling you why they are supporting him? Because obviously nobody wants to be on the wrong side of the party leadership. Who wants to be on the wrong side of the high command? What are people going to say? No, I do not like the person that Rahul Gandhi wants as chief minister.

[01:03:46]Obviously not.

[01:03:46]>> No, that is it. It is a democratic procedure. It is not that all the MLAs have unanimously said, "Oh, Casey Van Gopal is close to Ra." Yes sir. It is not democracy when the boss says I want this person and you say yes boss. That is not democracy.

[01:03:58]>> That is towing the line.

[01:03:59]>> No. According to media reports 47 out of 63 votes reports >> multiple media reports.

[01:04:05]>> Who is who is telling the media all of this >> the same people who are leaking that picture of Mul Vasnik.

[01:04:11]>> I will not get into that. The point is according to multiple media reports 47 out of 63 MLAs of the congress are supporting Casey Venugopal which also means 16 people have given names of a candidate other than Casey Wenal why you waiting for 10 days if Casey Wen Gopal was such a crowd favorite from day one and 47 MLAs Mr. Gopala anyway supporting then why are you waiting for 10 days >> what are you scared of he is the hero he's the people's person no just 10 seconds I just want to respond to your point that you say that Casey venual has been favored by the emilies just because he's close to Rahul Gandhi and people are scared of Casey Wenugal and Rahul Gandhi and therefore they will not give in their democratic voice first of all anybody who's followed Kerala politics knows that Kerala politicians are the least scared of whether it is from the CPI the BJP the Congress they will voice their own opinion number one Number two, 16 MLA supposedly have voiced their own opinion. If the argument and the charge is that everyone who votes for Casey Venugopal has voted because they fear the wrath of the high command, then why did the 16 >> Mr. Raj Gopalan is cowing at that suggestion? Mr. Raj Gopalan >> Nikl Jane is a good friend of mine but he won't leave the floor for others.

[01:05:17]Second thing he's brea I know there are 18 to 20 MLAs who have sent a email to Congressman. I can show you that email. Can you believe that?

[01:05:28]And second thing, >> what is in the email?

[01:05:31]>> Email is that no case will for that you ask him. Second thing, my point is simple. Who is here? Who is here? That is sgest.

[01:05:44]Who is simple as that?

[01:05:47]>> No.

[01:05:49]There are 17 MLAs who have sent email to Malik saying that we don't want Mr. That's not the case.

[01:05:57]>> That is also in circulation whether it's artificial.

[01:05:59]>> I can't tell you how I know but that is certainly not the case. Now you can't expect me to reveal everything on a public platform. Right.

[01:06:07]>> Okay. Anil Anthony finally it is going to be the people's choice. Nikil Jen is absolutely confident that a large number of MLAs purely because of the popularity of Mr. Casey Venugopal absolutely no other reason only because of the kind of hold he has on people's hearts have decided to go in the direction of Casey Venugopal and that shouldn't be a problem right it shouldn't be a problem for you see we have already made it very clear that who the Congress chooses is not the Bard Janada party's concerned but at the same time already what you have seen in the last 10 days is the trailer of what is said to come in the next 5 years. A lot of infighting, a lot of groupism and a lot of appeasement which will be happening which will which will make the people of Kerala the voters regret choosing the Congress party this time.

[01:07:03]One of my esteemed panelists were telling that we only have three seats in Kerala so we need not get bothered about it. But again let me just remind you all that in 2011 we had three seats in Assam. 2016 we are three seats in Bengal but over a period of time all these states people chose a bard jandha party and a double engine government because they were convinced that we are the best option for the state the same thing is going to happen in Kerala also where after all this chaos finally the people in Kerala from three will ensure that we will have a double engine government in Kerala also >> and you'll only make it easier for the BJP to turn Kerala into another tripaa on the way to winning that state if you're going to help your own party implode you've You've got a fantastic mandate, Nikil Jen. And what do you do?

[01:07:48]You mess it up so that leaders are disgruntled. They break off. You make the way for BJP.

[01:07:53]>> Padma, there's no GST on having dreams and wishes. Mr. Anthony is free to have all the dreams and wishes that he wants.

[01:07:59]The fact is that there was a leader of the BJP from Kerala would have thought in 20 2016. But anyway, go on. No, >> remember they had three MLAs in West Bengal in 2016. Today they have three MLAs in Kerala. No, like uh that might be true but there it's also true that the election results of Bengal and Assam are vastly questioned and that's not just by the Congress party that is by nearly every single opposition party and large sections of the media and there's been a lot of proof in the public domain for that because the elections before this in 2024 in Lok Sabha out of the 42 seats the Trinamul Congress won 29 of them the BJP's tally dropped from 18 to 12 while the TMC's tally had risen from 22 to 29. So there are a lot of questions on that. I won't go on that.

[01:08:41]My simple point remains that the people of Kerala have voted for the UDF. They have voted for a Congress chief minister to take oath. Congress is a democratic party that is consulting the relevant stakeholders and that is how decisions are being taken unlike the purch system of the BJP. As simple as >> except that the party here is with one family but let a quick reminder because there was a lot of scrutiny of what the Congress was doing. I want to give a quick data set Anil Anthony before we let you go of how your own party has fared when it comes to appointing its chief ministers and how quickly decisions are taken. In the case of Odisha, 8 days were taken to have Moan Chan Mangi declared as chief minister.

[01:09:19]Chundra Babu Naidu not BJP but for the NDA chief minister 7 days were taken. In the case of Pemma, 8 days were taken. In the case of Nyab Singh Seni, 8 days were taken. But in the case of Raika Gupta on the other hand almost 11 days were taken close to 2 weeks that is what the BJP took in order to declare the name of the Delhi chief minister. So parting thoughts Anil Anthony let's not be so unfair to the Congress party they are also taking as much time as you took in Delhi or as much time perhaps that you had taken in Maharashtra in the case of Dindra Navis again you took 10 days so major differences in all these states you were right that in some of the places some time was taken but not even one of these states did we have like two or three of our leaders in public like burning their supporters burning each other's fluxes or you know abusing each other in social media or like trying to threaten each other etc. It was a very smooth process a democratic process and observer in each of this state as senior leader went there there were meetings with all the MLAs and finally the legislative party unanimously in all these places had chosen a chief minister. I highly doubt that maybe maybe even maybe you will be well advised to at least stop all the sneaky mind games which are happening on the site. You know nobody is fooled by all of these strategically planted leaks, these photos, these posters going up in Turanand Puram and Vayard. It's very very apparent what is happening but we wish you luck and we wish luck to whoever is going to be the next chief minister is completely out of time.

[01:11:00]Thank you very much all gentlemen for having joined us. Tomorrow a big day where the meeting of the legislature party of the congress is going to take place and that announcement hopefully is finally going to happen.

[01:11:14]Okay. And now let's shift our focus to another election but one that is going to happen next year. We're talking about Uttar Pradesh and it seems that the main opposition party has a sort of death wish. Why? Because you've got a very prominent spokesperson of the Samwadi party sparking a cast storm. What happened was that Raj Kumar Bhhati the national spokesperson of the Samwadi party has now been booked by the UP police for making derogatory remarks against the Brahman community in a viral video in an event that was organized by the Rajiv Gandhi Foundation. Mr. Bharti is heard saying while some prostitutes may be good they may have some good in them no Brahman can ever be good simply can't be expected of them. After a massive political backlash, he issued an apology in which he claimed that his remarks have been distorted and that he never intended to hurt anyone's sentiments. First, listen in to actually what was said.

[01:12:20][applause] Parti For Sunday, Dr. Kosha Kant Mishra spokesperson of the BJP joins us but the man of the moment as it were Raj Kumar Bhi himself joins us out of context.

[01:13:32]Let me just explain the context to our viewers as was explained by Mr. Bharti.

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[01:25:43]Rajumari instead of actually answering the questions.

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[01:36:03]And coming up on the show tonight, Chief Minister Vijay versus Stalin Jr. I'm talking about Udidi Stalin. There's a stage that's been set now for some very fiery politics. Tamil Nadu is never going to be the same again. Meanwhile, 10 days after the Bengal result, the backlash and the meltdown continues. Two very prominent spokespersons of the BJP and the Trinimul have been sparring online and offline. They join me live for a debate that you do not want to miss. It's happening for the first time on television. Let's begin with our lead story tonight.

[01:36:48]Viewer, the pleasantries are over. 24 hours after Chief Minister Vijay and MK Stalin shared a warm public embrace, the DMK today made its true intentions completely clear. Leader of the opposition Udidi Stalin came out swinging in the Tamil Nadu assembly this morning, launching a sharp combative opening salvo at Chief Minister Vijay just ahead of his flaw test. It actually caught many offguard. The DMK had until now played it measured and magnanimous, seemingly content to let the new Vijay government at least find its feet. Well, not anymore because Udidi Stalin, leader of the opposition, served notice today that the DMK will be relentless, unsparing and watching this new government's every move. And with key allies in Vijay's coalition still owing their loyalty to the DMK, the subtext is unmistakable. A historic mandate got Vijay through the door. But this assembly and on the governance battlefield that alone won't let him sleep easy. Take a look.

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[01:40:04]It was NDTV that first broke it and then all hell broke loose. Chief Minister Vijay had handed his personal astrologer a Tamil Nadu government post on the taxpayers's pesa. The backlash was instant and furious inside the assembly and outside it. Now for a leader who had swept to power on a promise of being different, the optics were devastating for Vijay. It suggested that beneath the fresh face, the old habits had followed him into power. Vijay moved fast, revoking the order, but the damage was done. His government's first real flash point, and it was entirely self-inflicted.

[01:40:45]An appointment [music] An outrage and a quick revocation.

[01:40:58]The 4-day old TV government forced to make the first U-turn.

[01:41:04]Appointment of CMV's astrologer Rahun Pandit as the OSD to the chief minister revoked within 24 hours.

[01:41:13]As the TVK came under heavy fire from allies and rivals, an NDTV news breakak on Tuesday evening triggered the first political storm for a new Vijay government in Tamil Nadu.

[01:41:26]As Chief Minister Vijay proved his numbers in the house, the other number game has put his government in the spot.

[01:41:34]Allies VCK, Left, DMDK all strongly questioned the appointment in the assembly.

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[01:42:25]message TV tried to defend the appointment amid all round attacks that is a anyone can their personal profession can be anything but he's a media person >> but then the political ical optics didn't look good for the new government and the government revoked the order.

[01:42:45]Reports say that Rahan Pandit over the years has made several predictions for Vijay [music] which have come true including the election win for the TVK.

[01:42:55]He has counted several high-profile names as his clients including JJ Alalitha, LK Adwani, DK Shivikumar and Manisha Kirala. Pandit earlier predicted a political tsunami for Vijay and his appointment landed him his first political storm. Bureau report NDTV.

[01:43:16]>> Well, many were actually takenback by Udidi's Talin's speech ahead of the floor test which was unusually confrontational. Everyone knows that the DMK was going to be on the front foot, but this was one that took the fight directly to Vijay's battlefield and that's the reason why it has set the mood and the rules of engagement for what the Tamil Nadu politics is going to look like. The AIA DMK from the sidelines is wondering whether it is going to survive this entire battle.

[01:43:47]Joining me live now are Sarvan Anadur spokesperson of the DMK. S Murlan is a political analyst who supports the TVK and Shimla Mudhu Churan is a leader of the AIADMK. Welcome to all of you. Thank you very much uh for being with me. Uh Saran, I'll come to you first. the uh Udalidi Stalin, leader of the opposition after a day of political graces and cordialities, you know, after statements that have been made in public where the DMK has uh, you know, struck a magnanimous note seeming like it was going to allow this government to find its feet, have some space to, you know, hit its groove. Uh, Talon has basically said no nonsense. We are going to hold this government to very little maneuvering room.

[01:44:35]>> Yeah, absolutely. See, uh the reason why we walked off is because of uh the promise or the statement made by our leader Mr. MK Stalin. He said we don't want any constitutional crisis. We want this government to proceed because we don't want the president's rule or another election that will be very bad for the state of Tamil Nadu. So we know we were very very clear and that is the reason why we also persuaded our allies that is clearly pointed out by leader of opposition Mr. Rodani Stalin that on the instructions of our leader Mr. NK Stalin our allies supported Mr. Vijay on becoming the chief minister. It doesn't mean that we are going to give him a walk over from day one on the day one we have ensured. See the first and foremost they committed a grave error of appointing an astrologer as the uh OSD and after backlash they have promptly removed him. This is the first victory for the opposition in the state of Tamil Nadu and sadly the spectre of horse trading has reared its ugly head in the Tamil Nadu assembly recent past there were no such allegation nothing of that's what ever had happened in the state of Tamil Nadu Mr. Vijay who said I'm going to be an agent of change is brought a new change of horse trading and the way how he insulted Mr. Edapati Pali Chami Mr. Edapati Palami wished him when he took oath. Mr. Vijay just ignored him. He's the he was a former chief minister and the third senior leader in the assembly. Then he goes the sofa set goes and then Mr. Vijay goes like in the movie Pushba and the rebel MLS of the ADMK party are now supporting Mr. Vijay. How is this possible? people >> you're saying you're saying you're saying you're accusing Vijay of insulting EPS is that what you're saying >> insulting yeah that's what he did >> let let's get let's get Chimla Muturan to respond to that for a moment Muducharan where does the AIA DMK stand in all of this your party is split down the middle ma'am we've seen the numbers in today's floor test and the DMK is now saying that the chief minister has insulted your leader Hello.

[01:47:05]>> Yes. Go ahead ma'am.

[01:47:06]>> Yeah. Is it audible?

[01:47:08]>> Yes. Yes, we can hear you.

[01:47:10]>> Uh it is not like that that the chief minister he didn't um provoke the EPS. But what happened was he Hello.

[01:47:28]>> We can hear you ma'am. Please go ahead.

[01:47:30]We You're live on NDTV. Go ahead.

[01:47:40]Okay, we'll try and fix that audio with uh with the AI DMK spokesperson. But uh Mr. Muridan who supports the TVK, do you want to respond to the DMK? Because what Udinidi Stalin has done today on the floor of the house is basically signal that the DMK is going to be a power center even in this government. That is the signal that is the unsaid unspoken signal. Mr. Midaran >> provided Shiv that's extempor written it down and given him a piece of paper and he was reading it out. This is not the way assembly debates are done.

[01:48:19]You know, we we never got to see it live all these years. But this is pathetic.

[01:48:25]This is never the case. You have to talk on the issues on the in the in the assembly. This is the the today the assembly was to for the uh for TV to show the majority and he picks up a piece of paper and start taking a dig at the chief minister. I found it very uh I I won't call it so amateuristic. You know you you have to be you know you these words have to come from your heart. You can't some nobody can write a piece of paper and give the same problem to Mr. Stalin. Somebody has to write him a script and give it to him and he'll stand in front of the teleprompter and he'll and go away. This is the how they ran the government for last five and a half years. That's not going to work here. And see see how he struggled. He had a he had a iPad. He had few papers.

[01:49:09]He was struggling juggling between these two and he was struggling. There was no fluency in whatever he was talking. Look at look at the way he spoke about it.

[01:49:16]No, he was like you know he was quoting the pushba movie etc. This shows the background he comes from. He's struggling and vijay silently calmly composed and he gave a rebuttal to that.

[01:49:29]In fact he has given a deeper rebuttal later and Mr. Udiniti was trying to point out that 66 65% of the people have rejected uh TVK because TVK got only 35% vote share.

[01:49:43]So so Mr. Vijay had to tell him my friend you guys have only you know accumulated so many votes which means 76% of the Tamilad people have rejected you. So these are like you know I didn't find it you know professional. So s you can respond to that. The TV and its supporters are basically saying that Udanidi Stalin you know what he said was a lot of hot air.

[01:50:07]The mandate speaks for itself and this is all just muscle flexing by the DMK after defeat. That is what the TV is saying to you now.

[01:50:15]>> Yeah. Yeah. Sh there [clears throat] are two aspects to it. The first and foremost the people of Tamil Nadu did not give Mr. Vujay or his party a clear mandate. The magic number is 118. They did not get that. That is the reason our leader Mr. Udeni Stalin spoke about the numbers to drive home the point that you have not got a runaway mandate. People of Tamil Nadu did not impose that full faith on you that you will you can become the chief minister without any issues. They said one not eight this is where you stand. That is what has been pointed and Mr. Vijay stung by the speech. He think he was taken back. He was totally clueless inside the assembly. Did not rebut to what our leader said inside the assembly. He goes back goes back to his residence at Paneayor. Then at after 4 hours comes up with a detailed write up of a rebuttal of what our leader Mr. Udani Stalin spoke inside the assembly and now now as we are having into this debate into this debate our leader Mr. Stalin has also put out a tweet said hello chief minister this is not how you run assemblies this is not how democracy works in >> we got that on we've got that respond you have to respond inside the assembly you can't come away and tweet >> being a keypad warrior is not going to help democracy you have to be alert you'll have to have the capacity to rebot inside the assembly and that has become the talking point throughout the state of Tamil Nad that is the >> is clueless >> what what Saran is talking about right now Mr. Muridan and you can respond to that. Udanidi Stalin has just put out a long statement saying you know we didn't beg the governor for power. He has doubled down on his attack on Vijay. He's called it a sofa government. He has said you know it's a sofa setar. That's what he is describing this new government daily visits to the governor house for power. He's taunting and mocking Vijay now after what happened inside the assembly. the the the you know the the the mood has darkened significantly now the gloves are off Mr. Sh they should have done this standing in the assembly they chickened and they ran away they decided to abstain why did they do that ask them to they knew they're going to get a majority TV they were little worried about that so they ran away from the assembly they should have stood there and fought this battle next I'll tell you till probably till yesterday Vijay was little worried because he had a extremely thin wafer thin majority that two supports of their stoes like the ML and all these people probably he was worried today there are 25 ADMK people have come and given support. Tomorrow these you know these minos may not have a muscle to know talk about all this today they have bulldozed that uh special officer on duty was appointment they managed to bulldo that and made him revoke but that's it's a trivial thing I don't think he he's not going to do this always because he was giving them some respect he had to do it probably going down the line when he has 25 people from ADMK supporting I don't think he's going to listen to DMK or any of his >> but but I I want to ask one question because it sounds counter intuitive to me. Sven my question is why is Udidi Stalin accusing Vijay government of power lust? You know when the DMK has said that the allies who helped Vijay secure the numbers are all parties that owe allegiance to the DMK.

[01:53:49]Yeah. Yeah. See we we are he has made it very clear our leader Mr. Chalan has made it very clear in the tweet itself.

[01:53:56]It is not. If they are not lusting after power, they wouldn't have gone and met the governor four times. That is what they did. Why did they do that? They know they don't have the number. Then why did they go meet the governor?

[01:54:08]>> It was after the persuasion of our leader Mr. MK Stalin. They the numbers became feasible for them. And that is why Mr. leader said the same thing. See the DMK gave Draidian model of governance but the TV and Mr. Vijay are out to give a sofa model of governance which is not going to cut ice at all and the most important aspect is the MLAs the DMK MLA so ADMK MLAs who have broken out from the original campaign EPS camp they are hard to be disqualified >> they have violated the web >> on the unfortunate we lost political party we lost the spokesperson and we wanted to ask precisely that question but Mr. Muridaran how would you interpret this new you know statement by Udaridi Stalin is it a do you see it as a warning do you see it as rhetoric do you see it as a statement of uh intent in terms of not allowing your government to rest even for a moment basically saying that it's war now the elections may be over now let's get to war >> see uh TVK will be worried now if these words are coming from Udanidi Stalin's mouth or Mr. stylish mouth it is not this has been written and given to them so every time they would need you know if they they want to give a rebuttal they would have to look for somebody to give them a piece of paper so this is this is not you know this is not the way Mr. Karnaniti who has run this assembly and uh so I think you know they they have to go back to their social media managers to help them that's not going to work because all the last five years all they did is optics optics optics they had all these videos playing in front and even if you do 100 mistakes in front of the teleprompter they were corrected and played today it's live I don't think they're going to survive even if they want to Vijay is extremely calm and calm so he's definitely a better orator than Mr. Stalin I think we should you should call them for a onetoone debate. I mean that will be lovely on national channel and he he'll boo that because Ed party when he challenged Mr. Stalin he ran away. So I think we should do that.

[01:56:18]>> You know on NDTV I I'm coming to you sir on NDTV we are always always ready to to host and be a platform for big debates by our big politicians. So if Udaridi's talent and Vijay want to come and do a debate here on NDTV this is an open invitation to them. Yes sir. Go ahead.

[01:56:38]>> Sh isn't this asking for too much? We have a leader. We have a leader who has met the press consistently and responded to their questions. Who has come to your conclave lot of conclaves met them spoken at at length questioned at length in all these conclaves and his press speeches. We have a leader when he sees the press this is what he says this is what he does when he sees the press and these people putting up false bravado and saying Mr. Vijay will be willing for a debate is he was not even able to do that inside the assembly and where else do you expect him to do that it's not possible see the very fact that he waited four hours to counter to rebut what our leader Mr. Stalin said speaks volumes about how the the skill set of the leaders the two leaders here. So let's settle the debate here. [laughter] Okay. I want to bring Mr. Muridan and Saran thank you very much for joining me on this. You know the the signal is clear from both sides that there are going to the time for nicities is over.

[01:57:52]The time for political grace is over and now it's back to the political and governance battlefield. My Chennai bureau chief Sam Daniel who brings us this latest statement from Udanidi is live with me. Uh uh Sam is this you know is this just the usual rhetoric or is this a direct threat and a signal from the DMK that things are going to be much rougher now for Chief Minister [music] Vijay?

[01:58:21]Well, as long as sh TV enjoys the support of the MLAs from DMK Alliance, I think the DMK is going to turn the heat on the ruling TVK. Show them every day that they have a majority only because of their support. And then it appears that they're not going to give them any honeymoon time at all. From day one, the daggers are drawn and they go to target and bring every word, every decision, every policy of TVK and Chief Minister Vijay and under intense scrutiny to make sure the war will be on from day one.

[01:58:57]They're going to perhaps try and expose the political inexperience of the TVK.

[01:59:04]>> Yeah. expose every flaw, every failure, every lapse be it however minor or major it may be and prove that they are much better. This particular response comes to Vijay's long statement after the assembly session today giving a clear statistic statistical information that although the opposition leader had claimed on the floor of the house that a majority of voters in Tamil Nadu have voted against the ruling TV >> taking into account the collective vote share of the entire opposition. Vijaya had compared that to individual vote share saying that TV alone accounts for 34.9% while the DMK accounts only for 24.19%.

[01:59:50]It's on this basis or for this particular statement. Now Dinidi has responded I think we can expect this every day from NAD.

[01:59:58]>> Okay. No honeymoon for the Vijay government. It's going to be daggers drawn. That's the big signal from the opposition. Sam, I'm going to leave it there. Game on in Tamil Nadu. The mandate is there, but the game doesn't stop. In fact, it has just begun and NDTV will get you every little twist and turn.

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[02:01:04]It's been 10 days since the election results and Keralum still has no chief minister. A crucial 40inute huddle at Congress President Malikarjun Kar's residence in Delhi ended a while ago but the suspense is only deepening. Rahul Gandhi is still undecided on the chief ministerial pick and now we're told that the Congress needs one more day to make its announcement. Still we hear undecided. The Congress says discussions are on for this chief ministerial pick that the discussions may have actually ended and a decision will come out tomorrow but the delay is now fueling a full-scale power struggle in the Kerala Congress as Delhi delays a decision as Rahul Gandhi refuses to put a finger on it. The poster war the camp war in Kerala has exploded in wannard. Angry banners targeting Rahul Gandhi and Priyanka warn that Keralam will not forgive you and Ward will be the next Amatei. A direct sign of grassroots frustration that is boiling over and the Congress has nobody to blame but itself inside the party. It's now a full-blown game of thrones. One chair, three claimments. KC Veno Gopal who is the all powerful number two to Rahul Gandhi Vid Satishan who is the campaign face in Kerala and Romesh Jennala old waror in the Kerala Congress all in the mix. The question tonight who will Rahul Gandhi finally pick because it ultimately is up to him and what will it cost politically to the Congress? Let me go straight across to NDTV's Janendra who was outside that meeting uh taking place at Malikar Jun Ker's house. Janendra uh why do they need one more day? You know the expectation was that by tonight uh an announcement would come but it looks like they need another day to make that announcement even though they say that discussions are over.

[02:02:58]Yeah, sh discussions are over, consultation is over, but Congress wants the decision to be announced from Tendra. Tomorrow 1 p.m. Congress legislative party meeting have been called and in that meeting the name of next chief minister will be proposed and it still suspense continues whether Casey will win the race or vit Satishan will defeat him. It still picture is not clear. Both camps are claiming that uh they are going to make it but still Congress sources are not clear on on on on this thing or everybody is saying that only Rahul Gandhi knows as you mentioned that who is going to be the chief minister. So still Casey versus uh Satishan race is going on and only after the CLP meeting that is one uh tomorrow 1 p.m. uh we can we we will come to know officially that who will be the next chief minister of Kerala.

[02:03:59]>> Okay you've heard it first here on NDTV via Jendra my colleague by 100 p.m.

[02:04:03]tomorrow or thereafter a decision will be announced by the Congress party.

[02:04:07]Thank you Janindra for getting us that news break here on NDTV.

[02:04:12]The Bengal result hasn't triggered the expected wave of violence, tension and political chaos on the ground, but it has detonated the Trinamul Congress from within. As Bengal gets used to a new era under the BJP, intimidation claims and a vicious online war between the BJP and the Trinimole ecosystems has become one of the loudest flash points from inside the Trinimole camp itself. One of Ma Banerjee's most visible spokespersons and soldiers, Riu Duta seems to have gone rogue. Since the result, Riu has gone after his own party with startling aggression, attacking the Trinamu leadership, amplifying BJP talking points and infuriating his own ecosystem in the process. to angry Trinamul supporters he's pandering to the BJP at the exact moment that his former party is under siege and they've suspended him now for a period of six years to the BJP Ru is finally admitting truths that the Trinid buried for years which is why tonight I'm joined live by Ru Duta himself facing off with the BJP's Shazad Punavala who has trained his guns on the lapsed soldier of the Didi army so let's begin Shazad and Riu, thank you very much. You know, both of you are some of the most prominent faces of your two parties and I've noticed that the bad blood crimmony uh that has been there on the last 10 days after this election result has also manifested in a social media war between the both of you. So, Shazad, I want to start it off with you because you have attacked Riu and you have said you're not telling the truth.

[02:05:54]You're not believing the positions he has been taking because he's actually been attacking his own party. So started off by telling me what do you want to say to Riu?

[02:06:03]>> No, no, to the contrary, I welcome Riu's move to now finally spill the beans. The only point of contention was that even in Ramayan, Vibishan had quit Raan's side before Raan lost. I understand that TMC's Vibishan takes more time. So after TMC lost, Vibishan has come. But no problem. I am saying in fact something else now I'm saying Vibishan or Mr. Riu go the whole hog don't protect Mtab Banerjee and last three days I've been asking Riu that he has tweeted that Tik Tok Tik Tok Amit Malva's time is up rapist Amit Malva Amit Malva and BJP are army of rapists abuse Suendu he has said that IPAC people sent him these tweets I completely believe him why doesn't he put out those screenshots that this tweet Amit Malia called rapist IPAC sent it to me and so that it will help us to identify the real culprits and link them to Mta and Abhishek. Unless Riju feels that Ma and Abhishek Banerjee are not anti-Hindu and not corrupt. Ru >> okay now one at a time. Uh the thing is what Shazad has been saying I have no idea why Shazad started going against me personally for the last few uh days probably because after I opened my mouth on national TV prime time debates I'm only the topic. That's why probably Shagat thinks that he has to ride on that wave as well. I do not know but that but I have been nothing but courteous to Shad even when we were in power. Number one. Number two, he starts calling me Vishan. Vishan was one of the most trusted people of Prau Ram in Ramayana if you think about it. So let's not go there. I am not of Vishan.

[02:07:42]Whatever I did as the national spokesperson of the party. I do not apologize for it. Shazad has been saying that these tweets that you were made I said I said this on another channel yesterday that yes they were all pre-typed by IPAC where we were not even allowed to change a comma full stop and exclamation marks which I retweeted on Shazad's personal number I have sent him one sample but now I want to ask him very straight on your channel is he the spokesperson of Amit Malvi or is he a person designated by Amit Malvia if needs will send those proofs in a file to Nitin Nabin Gi Shab or if I meet Amit Malia in person but for it is not for the media I have I have said whatever I have said and if Shazad does not believe me Shazad can it is his his choice that he does not believe the same but I have the proof and if the competent authority of the BJP at in some time in the future asks me whether it is Nitan Namji whether it is Bach Gi or whether it's Amit Maldi himself fair enough >> but Riu why what do you need to prove to the BJP why are You saying you're willing to prove something to the BJ and and I have nothing. That is my question.

[02:08:49]I have nothing. I do not understand why Shazad is going against me on a personal level which and one more thing I will tell you today Shiv on your show which I have not any national channel for the next minimum 6 months to one year. I am not joining BJP. I'm not joining Congress. I'm not joining left. And if by some magicul revokes my suspension I'm not going back to Congress. Okay.

[02:09:13]Shazad, why are you going after >> the shock that my family has gone through? I want to spend time with my family.

[02:09:20]>> Shad, why are you going after all?

[02:09:23]>> He's accusing you of riding the Riu wave.

[02:09:25]>> See, sense of delusion and entitlement is there's no GST on it. So, one can be in sense of delusion and arrogance.

[02:09:31]That's okay. I am only saying that on one hand he's saying I compared him to Vibishan who's a trusted figure in Ramayan and then he's saying I'm I'm going after him. What is it?