"Complete And Utter BETRAYAL" | Nobody Gave 'Democratic CONSENT' For Immigration

Added: 2026-05-21

[00:00:00]My next guest, Aaron Grimes. He's a Grimes, he's a deputy leader of Durham County Council, Reform UK councilor, and joins us now. Always fabulous to have you on the show, Darren. Good afternoon to you.

[00:00:09]Good afternoon, Julia. Uh there's so much I want to talk to you about, but let's start, cuz I know you'll have been crunching the numbers today as well.

[00:00:14]We've just gone through those uh migration figures. Um you know, let's start with the legal migration, because I mean, you know, I remember the heady days when David Cameron went to get elected in 2010 saying he'd get net migration down to the tens of thousands. From that point on, it went up and up and up and up.

[00:00:30]Boris wave was I was I mean it outrageous what what happened under Boris Johnson with that 944,000. Bearing in mind, that was net. It was about 1.2, 1.3 million new arrivals, largely from outside the EU. We're paying for the cost of that right now. Pressure on our housing, um you know, benefits, and goodness knows what, and our schools, and our hospitals. What do you make of the latest figures? And in particular, the fact that a fifth of our population is now born abroad?

[00:00:57]Yeah, I well, I think it's a complete and utter betrayal, Julia. Ultimately, you know, nobody ever gave their democratic consent for this to happen.

[00:01:03]This this fundamental transformation of of our country. You know, in every single election since I was born in in '93, governments have promised that they would actually tackle and reduce migration in this country. If anything, since '97, it's just ballooned beyond all recognition, unprecedented numbers.

[00:01:23]And as I say, it comes back to that fundamental point. Literally, nobody consented. Nobody voted for this. Yet, they're getting it all the same. It's been a a sort of enforced diet, a coerced diet, of this this multicultural diversity ideology, where actually the the fruits of of the pudding being in the eating aren't evident, because actually GDP hasn't grown in the large numbers that are promised alongside >> Yeah, I mean, if if mass migration delivered this amazing boom, we would be laughing now, wouldn't we?

[00:01:56]>> Exactly. You've just mentioned it, Julia. You've just said it earlier. That That most people coming from that that particular part of the world, Pakistan, etc., they out of work. We are literally paying for them to be here. That is insane, surely. I mean I again I I find it absolutely staggering. And yet, it's really fascinating that only yesterday we had Rachel Reeves being heckled in a Leeds petrol station forecourt. I've got no issue with her being shouted at for being rubbish at her job. Um he wasn't threatening. She had plenty of people including her close protection officer.

[00:02:24]She was at work. She used to be in a public place. You you you take the hit.

[00:02:27]If you don't want to be shouted at, be a better chancellor, I would say. But is isn't it interesting that he was saying about, you know, you're ruining the country. He goes, you know, look, England flags. Are you know, are you going to get Are you going to get me arrested? You know, because cuz people are so concerned and because people have literally, you know, been accused of being bigoted and far right because they want to fly the Union Jack or the England flag. But she Her response was, I love our country and one of the things about our country is good manners, not accusing him of being not very British.

[00:02:53]So, isn't it amazing we found a Labour politician that can actually recognize a a peculiarly British trait, which is our our good manners. But the problem we've had, particularly on the left and frankly a lot in the Tories as well, um who better off in the Lib Dems, is this idea that all cultures are equal. Um that that you know, that that that we we must adapt to the people arriving in our country. A All these different you know, people speaking different languages and and having different views and different values and and this is good for us because diversity is our strength.

[00:03:27]Again, there's no evidence for this, is there?

[00:03:29]No, yeah, no, there isn't, Julia. And ultimately, you know, I know exactly what you're saying because we've just had to look at a contract, for example, for translation for our council. Now, I would rather not do that, but it's it's protected under the Equality Act. You know that thing that they keep telling us is so absolutely amazingly brilliant.

[00:03:46]Well, actually, no. All it means is that we have to be oddly acquiescent for every other culture, but apparently our own.

[00:03:52]>> How much you know how much is our Durham County Council having to pay for translation services?

[00:03:57]>> tens of thousands, high tens of thousands. You know it it it is just >> to fill pot holes, social care for our elderly.

[00:04:03]>> Exactly.

[00:04:05]>> I'm sorry, if I went to another country, I simply would not Well, if I'm going to live there, I would learn the language ideally before I went. And if I was a visitor, I would expect to pay for it myself or I bring a friend.

[00:04:17]And you multiply that by every single local authority in the country having to do exactly the same thing. And the cost is in the millions. It's an absurdity.

[00:04:26]We have to be acquiescent to every culture but our own. We get told I actually got told Julia that the flying of flags that many of our residents up here did as in putting them on the lamp post in the raise the color campaign, that actually it was a homophobic act.

[00:04:40]And I thought, my god Julia, I've been called many things [laughter] but you know that one is probably the most preposterous I've heard yet. As if You can't You can't like Homophobic. How is it homophobic? It's an absurdity.

[00:04:53]>> the idea if you are intimidated by someone flying the national flag of the country you live in, you're probably living in the wrong country. Yeah. Yeah, well quite. And Rachel Reeves in all turn around to that fellow and telling him the man in his van that actually that's not very British. Well, I think she'll find that if she speaks to the majority of the British people, they would all tell her absolutely the same thing. More people believe that view that Labour would ever care to admit.

[00:05:22]>> and a lot of Labour voters. That's the interesting thing, isn't it? Now um it it What do you make of the There's been quite a lot of pearl clutching but there's a two lines you get from the left. One on this is is that oh it's outrageous how rude this man was. He shouldn't have shouted at her. And scapegoating it's sexist. You know, if you want to have the first woman Chancellor, the first woman Chancellor is going to get shouted at like the like the male Chancellors. But also basically saying oh what a great response she gave. I love our country. I mean, I didn't think it was a great response.

[00:05:47]but what do you make about the claims that, you know, this the the man was in the wrong to have tackled her?

[00:05:52]Well, ultimately, I think this comes back to the the the idea that actually nationalism is the new charge, right?

[00:05:59]Nationalism is is what they call us.

[00:06:01]They call us nationalist. And it's a way it's a just another racist, you know, that's what they use.

[00:06:07]They've decided that actually that doesn't make them very electorally popular. So, now they're using nationalist. Ultimately, Julia, the way I think of this the political class in this country are always of the view that public anger is actually uncouth or dangerous. But, if you look at what position people are in, people are skinned, we've got businesses struggling across the piece, employers are cutting back, families feel poorer than ever before, and Rachel Reeves is talking like she's delivering some kind of economic masterstroke, while the country feels like we're running on fumes. You know, she stood by a petrol station, maybe we all need to get high on those fumes because right now, we feel pretty low indeed.

[00:06:46]>> And that's the thing, people really are very, very angry and understandably so.

[00:06:51]Um, I just want to try and find some notes just on the on the criticisms of your candidate, Reform candidate, in the the Makerfield by-election. This is where an awful lot of a political attention is right now because they've got this bizarre situation where we've got Andy Burnham as the Labour candidate, the former government minister, of course, now the mayor of Manchester, to Manchester, now running as his candidate. And basically, the argument is vote Labour, get rid of the Labour Prime Minister. Everyone knows Starmer, he's going to get the support from MPs. May not even be a proper leadership election, may just be a coronation, and Keir Starmer is out if, by the way, the if we do ever do see these documents on the appointment of Mandelson, that that comes out first. Um, but, um, been some criticism of your candidate, this is Robert Kenyon, over deleted messages, Facebook account that's been deleted, apparently outrageously, his ex account, his Twitter account was at some point taken down. I'm trying to think of anyone I know that hasn't happened to.

[00:07:48]But it is extraordinary. I've got to say, again, this is not party political.

[00:07:51]I just judge things as I see them. They claim it's the front page of the Metro today about these controversial comments that your candidate has made in the past in which he's he's he's talked about we're asking, you know, in response to some of the South Hold Home Office tweets about people engaging violent protests will face the full force of the law. Apparently, it's very controversial. He wrote, "Is it a hate crime for Asian men walking around in Birmingham assaulting white people en masse?" Which was a reference to a counter protest at the time. He used to reply to Owen Jones who called the rioters a massive danger. He wrote, "Let me be honest, Owen. There was never a threat from the far right because they don't really exist."

[00:08:31]He also responded to West Midlands police superintendent about how they police their counter protests and there was two-tier policing against the native population. And when the king called for unity, he said, "I think now the king can open his palaces and grounds for the asylum seekers."

[00:08:47]I've got to be honest with you, I'm struggling to find a message that would even raise an eyebrow in any pub or workplace in the country. Well, you're exactly right, Julian, and it goes back to that Rachel Reeves point as well as being the most of the media as well.

[00:09:00]They're just totally totally out of touch with the political mood and sentiment right now. People just feel utterly powerless and dejected. And I think calling out two-tier policing which is evident, you know, you covered it all of after the Unite the Kingdom protest, the way in which actually there was facial recognition cameras allegedly, you know, on one side of the political fence and not the other. And ultimately, I think everyone looking at things that have happened over the last few years are crying out saying that political two-tier policing is obvious. Without fear or favor has totally gone out the window. And ultimately, everything that has been expressed by Robert Kenyon there, I I think most people would would accept as being a perfectly valid opinion to hold. But, you know, Julia, a good friend of ours told me once, Toby Young, Lord Young I should say these days. I forget myself, Julia.

[00:09:51]>> he likes the title. Well, he deleted his own tweets. He runs the Free Speech Union, for goodness sake. This is the >> got he's got in trouble for tweets, hasn't he? I mean, again, over commenting on women and their large breasts. I mean, He's a bloke.

[00:10:03]>> [laughter] >> I wasn't surprised. Get a grip. Get a grip.

[00:10:06]>> what he was trying to do, but anyway.

[00:10:08]Just while you're talking, I'll get in trouble for that. I don't care. Rachel Reeves, the Chancellor, is in live in the House of Commons, cuz I like our audience. We've already played two clips of her today. I think that's enough for everybody for the day. But, she's announcing her plan to tackle the cost of living. We're told they dropped this idea for some sort of voluntary So, basically, cutting of the prices of on essential goods in the supermarket, although the SNP want to do it as a as a compulsory thing in the supermarket.

[00:10:35]It's in Scotland. But, we're talking about free bus travel for kids age 5 to 15, just for the month of August. And, they're going to cut some of the tariffs, 150 million quid being lost to the Treasury from cutting tariffs on foodstuffs coming in from abroad. So, they're already admitting they're taxing our food, which we don't have VAT on.

[00:10:50]But, that's going to save us all. And, don't get too excited while we're on air, cuz I I don't want to get you too too I I I'm sorry about that. We're looking at an extra 10 Well, we're having 10p off our household weekly shop as a result of that. How excited are you about that, Darren? Oh, over the moon.

[00:11:08]Over the moon. I mean, Julia, why do we even tax chocolate anyway, right? We can't actually grow it in this country.

[00:11:13]So, why are we doing that? Why are we doing this? Ultimately, I think actually this is a government that's totally out of ideas, right? They're just They're flapping about, trying to do They even called for price controls. I mean, hello, did I wake up in Venezuela?

[00:11:26]That's already been tried, and it wasn't very successful. You know, they ran out of basic medicines and electricity. I just ultimately think that all of this suggests that this this this is a government that's totally floundering.

[00:11:39]They are doing something in the wind, if you catch my drift. Uh and I just totally think that the public are going to look at this and think, "My God. God help them." They they U-turned more If you I was told a really important life lesson, which was you you turn too many times and you very quickly end up in the political U-bend. Well, they're so far down the U-bend, and the nation, Julia, is crying out for someone to flush the damn chain.

[00:12:06]Darren Grimes, you follow me, you get counselor and deputy leader Darren Grimes, you get counselor. Thank you.