This video presents a live debate where Muslim participants attempt to prove Islam's truth through various arguments including Quranic scientific claims (such as embryonic development and human creation), prophetic predictions (like the Mongol conquest of Basra), and theological reasoning about God's nature. The debate explores fundamental questions about how religious truth can be established, with critics challenging the validity of using scientific accuracy, prophetic fulfillment, and philosophical arguments as proof of divine revelation. The discussion highlights the ongoing theological tensions between faith-based and evidence-based approaches to religious truth, particularly regarding the Quran's scientific claims and the nature of prophetic authority.
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>> Yo, >> what's up?
>> Uh what about Ethiopian Christians?
>> What up?
>> What?
[snorts] >> You ever heard of the Solomon dynasty?
>> What?
>> King Solomon's bloodline and Ethiopian Orthodox Christianity.
>> I have heard. Yeah. But what does that have to do with my prompt?
>> Um, it has a lot to do with it. So, >> are you Muslim?
>> No, but it's over there in that.
>> Sorry, bro. I'm trying to get Muslims.
I'm not going to be live for long, so sorry man. Um, hello Corita. My bad. Uh, >> hello.
>> Yo, what's up?
Hey, can you answer me what what exactly do I gain from being a Christian?
>> That's not the topic of the live.
>> So, you can't answer that question.
>> Oh, it's not the topic of the life. So, no.
>> But you're asking if Muslims [music] can can prove Islam. Why can't you prove?
>> That's the topic.
[clears throat] >> But shouldn't you be able to prove Christianity first?
>> No, cuz that's not the topic.
>> All right, man.
Can you prove it or no?
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If Jesus takes away all your sins, why is there hell? Not the topic, man.
The fact he couldn't improve Islam is crazy. I mean, it's like majority of the people that come up here, though. No, no one could debate me.
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>> Yeah. What's up, brother? How do you feel about the Jews?
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>> Hello.
>> Hello there.
>> What's up? Are you Muslim?
>> Um, yeah, I'm a Muslim. Are you would you say why are you a man worshiper?
[snorts] >> No.
>> Who are you?
>> I worship God.
>> Oh, so you're a Unitarian?
>> No.
>> You're Muslim, correct?
>> Of course I am. But what are you? I need prove Islam.
>> Yeah, but first I need to know I need you to introduce yourself as though because I just joined. This is my first time meeting.
>> Hello, my name is Lee. I'm a Christian.
Now go ahead and prove Islam.
>> But what type of Christian are you? Cuz there's two type >> I'm a trinitarian Christian. There's nothing other than that. No. Go ahead and prove Islam, please.
>> Okay. So, you believe Jesus was a man?
>> Does that have anything to do with the topic?
>> No. No. We're going to get to it. I'm just going to get >> Okay. I'm trying to get to that right now. So, go ahead.
>> Yeah. And I'm going to get to it. I'm getting to it. Just >> get to it right now. Cuz I'm not I'm not here to like have like little dialogues here and there. I just need you to prove the topic.
>> Okay. So look, you guys believe Jesus is a man. That was a God. So now this brings me to my point.
In Islam, we believe Jesus was a man who is a prophet. Not a God, but a prophet. So you see the two different distinctions between both religions.
Furthermore, the only reason why Jesus cannot be God and why Islam is a true religion is because Islam has to it teaches you about the oneness of God. Jesus has no sort of link. Jesus has no sort of Jesus has no sort of biological biological um what's the word?
He basically he can't he's not he's not the son of God. He has no association biological association with God basically.
>> So your entire point is that Christianity is false. Therefore Islam is true somehow.
>> Basically 100%.
>> Wow. How does it how does Christianity being false make Islam true?
Because >> why does it like if Christianity was false, why doesn't that mean that Hinduism is true?
>> No, because look, Islam clearly states that >> the Quran came as a criteria as a criterion. It came as a criterion over the scriptures that was revealed before.
So the scriptures that was >> and that that's irrelevant to me. I'm saying >> that's irrelevant because I'm saying how do you know because all if these other religions were false, how does that mean that Islam is true?
How do I know Islam is true?
>> Mhm.
>> Because I told you. I just told you.
>> I know what you told me. I'm saying cuz you keep saying that it's true because these other religions are false.
>> No. I said the Quran came as a criteria.
>> Okay. Why should we believe in the Quran?
>> Because the Quran is the word of God.
>> How do you know that?
>> Because who? Because of the miracles. First, I'm just going to give you a small because look at the miracles. Look at the miracles that's in the Quran that's been we're just finding out about it right now.
>> Like what?
>> For example, the earth is expanding. The world is expanding.
>> People knew that already.
>> They didn't. The scientists just found out recently.
>> That's not even true. You have like the book [clears throat] of >> Can I Can I finish my statement?
>> Okay.
>> Thank you. You have like the book of Job that predates Islam. You have the book of Isaiah. You have the book of Psalms that also talk about the universe or like the heavens expanding. Well, that's not something new that people just figured out.
>> What does it say that the earth is expanding?
>> So, it literally says that the heavens or like the universe is being stretched out or being expanded by God.
>> What's the verse? Let's listen.
>> Isaiah 44:24.
[snorts] >> Can you bring Can you bring up on screen please so we can read this together?
>> Yeah, sure.
Isaiah 44:4, "Thus says the Lord, your redeemer, who formed you from the womb. I am the Lord who made all things, who alone stretched out the heavens, who alone spread it out or spread out the earth by myself."
>> Yeah, it doesn't say that it's expanding. It just said that it stretched out.
>> It literally says that it's being stretched out.
>> No, it doesn't say that. that >> it doesn't say it's being stretched out >> when when Okay. When >> it doesn't say it's being stretched out.
>> I just, you know, listen to me. It just says it's been stretched. It just says it's been stretched out. Doesn't mean >> it's expanding something. When you stretch something out, you're expanding that thing.
>> Bro, if [snorts] I stretch something out for from the beginning, does that mean that it's always going to expand?
>> What >> I'm saying? So, God stretched out the heavens from when he first made it. He never stretch he never said that in a way where it's expanded cuz look use this analogy if I was to stretch out >> talking about >> no look look think about it if I was to stretch something out from the beginning say I made something I designed something and I stretched out I designed something and I stretched it out now me stretching it out does that mean that it's always going to be expanding or is it going to stay just as I stretched it >> you expanding something or you stretching something out doesn't mean it stops stretching out >> you know It does. It does. It doesn't mean it's not saying it's not saying.
It's just saying he's >> You know, you can expand something and stop expanding it as well.
>> Look, read the I beg you, read the verse. Read the verse.
>> You know, you can expand something and stop expanding it as well.
>> You can expand something. What do you mean?
>> You know, you can expand something and also stop it as well.
>> Stop it at that same level.
>> When you expand something, you can stop it from expanding as well.
>> Of course. Yes.
>> Okay. So, the same thing applies for expanding as well. Listen, that's the whole my whole point was that. What are you talking about?
>> You're bringing that up against stretching as if it's like an issue >> and I'm doing the same with expanding.
It's going to be the same with expanding.
>> Look, look, look, look.
>> What do you mean look?
>> Can you bring bring up the verse again?
Please bring up the verse.
>> What? We already read it. What?
>> No, no, bring up bring up. Please, please look.
>> It says, "I am the Lord who made all things, who alone stretched out the heavens out the heavens."
>> What about it?
So he just oh my days it doesn't okay even if it say okay I'll grant you that says it's expanding where did it say okay go back to the verse where go back to the verse >> what what specifically do you want to point out about the verse >> no no okay and then he spread out the earth by himself does that mean that does that mean the earth is expanding as well >> what >> oh my are you so look it says he stretched out the heavens >> I know what it says I'm saying what was your question I didn't even hear it >> okay so now you saying that he stretched out the heavens that means the heavens That means the heavens expanded in your in your in your ideology. So now I'm saying the second verse where he says who spread it's the same verse but the second line where he says who spread out the earth by himself. So does that mean that the earth is expanding as well or >> the word that's being used is spread.
It's not stretch. There's a difference.
There's two different words.
>> So it's only so it's only the heaven that's expanded not the earth.
>> Yeah. There's a difference between the heaven and the earth. Yeah.
>> Okay. So, so see how there's a there's a there's a difference between what I said and >> Yep. I agree. There is a difference.
>> Okay. So, I said that the universe is expanding is is expanding. So, you said that the heavens expanding. So, you >> No, there's what?
>> I said I said that the universe is expanding.
>> Mhm.
>> I said that you said that only that only the the heavens expanded, not the earth.
So, only the heavens expanded. Because heaven >> when it says heavens >> the word heavens it doesn't have like a single univocal meaning to it like heavens can also mean universe. It can also refer to like the celestial bodies in the heavens.
>> Okay. Does it does it mean earth?
Heavens.
>> Does it mean earth?
>> Yeah the earth as well. Does that mean earth as well? Cuz >> the very next part of the verse says earth. Yeah, he's not talking about >> the prior the prior line says the prior says that the heavens [clears throat] this is what it's happening >> to the heavens and then the next line says the earth. So they're talking about two different things. It'll tell you when it's talking about the earth and it'll also tell you when it's talking about like the universe like the heavenly bodies and things like that.
>> Look, listen listen look.
>> I'm just wondering what the proof for Islam here is. Like I I don't know how >> I told you already. I told you already.
No, you you just tried. I told you that the proof for Islam is that >> there's many reasons that we can go. I told you I told you I told you first of all about Jesus Jesus not being God.
First of all, >> how does that mean that somehow Islam is true?
>> Because look at this because God God where did God enter creation?
>> I don't know what I don't know how you asking me a question is answering what I asked you. Now I want to tell you because look God would never enter creation when he created creation to for one main reason which is to worship him. So cool. Why would he feel the need to enter creation when he design when he created it? For what reason?
>> Is your proof just asking me why would God do something?
>> Okay. Okay. Let me just say that there's no logical reason as to why God would enter creation.
>> Cool. So what? How does this prove Islam?
>> Because Islam has the most logical reason as to God's oneness.
>> What God this is just a this all this is doing is all Yeah. The oneness of God.
But I know what it is.
>> All that all that you're affirming right now all that you're affirming right now or this is just vindicating all monotheistic religions. That's all it's that's all it's doing. It's not helping the case. Like it's not helping anything when it comes to Islam. It's not it's not helping Islam at all.
>> Name one name one monotheistic religion.
>> Judaism.
>> Judaism. Monotheistic.
>> Prove that they believe in multiple gods. them >> monotheistic could mean that >> there's this one god that they believe in.
>> There's this one god. One god that you believe in and he has no associ association to anyone whatsoever.
>> That's not okay. I don't know where you got that far from.
>> Oh my days.
>> All that monotheism all that monotheism just means is that there's a one god.
>> So so so so wait. So you're telling me god that god needs someone there? I never said I never said anything like that. All I said is that monotheism just means that there's one God that you believe in.
>> It doesn't mean oh, you have to not associate partner. That that's a that's something else you're adding into the definition.
>> But then you need to think about what that one god entails. You can't just say one god. One god could be anything.
>> Yeah. Like no one's disagreeing with that.
>> So is if I believe if I believe a cow is a god.
>> They can believe that as long as it's a one god, they're still monotheistic.
That is mental. I'm glad that >> you can say it's mental as much as you want, but that's the definition. A monotheist is someone who believes in one god. As long as these people or as long as a certain group of people believe in one god, then that's all you're v that's all you're vindicating right now. The belief in one god and many different religions believe in one god.
>> Okay, but brother, please look look stop man worshipping. Please, I'm I'm Are you Aren't you supposed to be proving Islam right now?
>> Okay. No, wait. I'm going to get to that. But please, >> I need you to not I need I need you to not complain about like quote unquote man worship to me right now cuz I don't even worship men. Now what I need you to do >> what's your religious >> What I need you to do is prove Islam.
>> Stop attacking things that you don't understand.
>> Okay, I apologize. What's your religion?
>> What does that have to do with you proving Islam?
>> You're asking just please. What's your religion?
>> I could be an atheist for all you know.
That doesn't that doesn't somehow are you here? If I was an atheist and I asked you to prove Islam, are you going to immediately jump to Christianity?
>> Of course not.
>> Okay. So then how are you going to prove Islam to me? Go ahead, >> brother. Look, >> here take here. Take me to be here. This is my honest here. Hold on. Hold on.
Hold on. Hold on. Here. Here. Take me to be an atheist. Take me to be an atheist.
How would you prove Islam to me?
>> Should I be with you?
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Linguistically, I'm not the best. Like, I can't articulate myself properly. So, you >> Okay.
I'm sorry. I'm He's saying he can't do it then. I I'm not I'm not going to keep pressing him on it.
>> Hello.
>> Hello.
>> What's up?
What's up?
Okay. I I don't know what just happened.
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Hello.
Uh, it's going [snorts] perfect. Not the topic, bro.
Uh, hello >> Alisa. Hello.
>> To you.
[snorts] But why are you asking this question? Do you have any thought in mind? Do you have any thought process behind this?
>> Yeah.
>> Like is this are you doing this for business? Is this what you >> I don't I don't know what business I could possibly be doing with this.
>> Uh hello.
>> Hello.
>> What's up? Are you Muslim?
>> Okay. Um no, but I do have two sisters.
My mother and my stepfather is all Muslim.
>> Okay.
Um, from I'm Christian. Me and my older brother are Christian. Out of our entire family, we have a whole bunch of Muslims.
>> So, I have a question. Why do you feel they cannot prove Islam?
>> Well, I don't think that there's like any sufficient evidence that they can provide that uh is in favor for Islam or that shows what Islam teaches is true.
>> Okay. I I completely agree with that.
Um, from what I've seen, they go based on faith. And after Christianity was before Islam, obviously, um, from what I've been told throughout the whole thing, Christian Christians and, um, Muslims have the same God, but believe in different things. In Christianity, it's the Holy Trinity. In Islam, it's God and then the prophet Muhammad.
>> Uh, no, they have a they have a different God.
>> But, um, I am trying to get to people who are Muslims, but I appreciate you coming up.
>> I'll invite my sister who's Islam >> if you want to speak to an Islamic.
>> Okay. Like, is she with you or like do you want me to drop you and then you can send her to Tik Tok to me?
>> Uh, yeah. I'm going to send it to her.
She's not with me right now.
>> Okay. All right. Thank you for coming.
God bless you.
>> God bless you too.
>> Finally a reasonable person. What you mean finally a reasonable person?
Zack, what the heck?
>> Hello.
>> Assalam alaikum.
>> What's up?
>> Assalam alaikum.
Slam. What's up?
>> Yeah. What you What we talking about?
What's up? Right here.
cannot Muslims cannot prove Islam.
>> Mhm.
>> Okay. Islam is a religion.
>> Mhm.
>> Okay. What do you mean they can't prove it?
>> Meaning that they can't show it to be true.
>> Show what?
>> Show that Islam is true.
>> What about Islam is not true.
>> The theology.
>> Do you want to you want to come back whenever you finish eating? cuz I can hear like every bite that you take out of your chips or whatever.
>> So what, bro? Damn. We trying to talk instead talking about some other stuff.
>> It's kind of It's kind of like I can't talk with you eating. I I can't can it's like >> Bro, just answer the question. So >> I did. I'm saying, do you want to talk after you eat?
>> Okay, I'm done eating. Go ahead. What was you saying?
>> Now what's your proof for Islam? How do you prove Islam to be true?
>> What do you mean? You I'm asking you, bro. You telling me. I'm telling you exactly what I mean. I'm saying >> I'm telling you exactly what I mean. I'm saying show that Islam is true.
>> I don't understand this. What is it's a lot of stuff about >> Okay.
I don't If you can't understand it, then I can help you. Hello.
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Do whatever you guys can. Christ is king. Amen.
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What is up today, man? I don't know. I don't know. You heard him late. I did. I heard him. What's going on tonight? I don't know, Jeeoff. I have no idea. I have no idea. I have no idea.
Uh, last time you were up here, you had like some background noise.
Hello.
>> Hey there. What's up?
>> I'm not Is that Was that AI?
That was AI.
Also, what's up, Tatum? I I forgot to say hi back to you. Um, what is the purple thing on your face? It's like a pimple patch. I had like a few pimples like pop in out of nowhere. Like the worst ones. Have I K? I don't know who K is. Hello.
>> Hello.
>> What's up? Are you a Muslim?
>> Yep.
>> All right. Uh, can you prove Islam?
>> Yeah, we'll prove it. We just prove it through prophecies mostly >> like what >> like in the prophet describes a siege that will happen in a place called Albas and he described the people who will take over the Muslims there as people with broad faces and small eyes which happened in the 1200s. The Mongols took over the Muslims in a place called Vasra. It's too specific to just guess. You know >> what's the prophecy though?
The prophecy is that he prophesied that the people with broad faces and small eyes, which are the Mongols, would take over the Muslims in a place called Albasra.
>> That's a lot of people have broad faces and small eyes, >> not justified from the Benur and it's just um like an area uh broad faces and small eyes.
>> You're saying that's like only the Mongols or something?
>> Yeah. No, but that's way too specific.
He didn't just guess.
>> That's not specific. Like that's just that's just >> Are you Are you saying he could Yeah.
Are you saying he could guess that?
>> I didn't say it was a guess or anything.
All I said is that that's merely just like him. Like that's just a general claim. That's not like saying somebody has a broad face or like a group of people with a broad faces and small eyes. That isn't that's not only the Mongols. There's other groups of people that are also that way.
>> Yeah. What if he says people with broad faces and small eyes will besiege a city called Albas where Muslims live?
>> Again, there are many people that can do that. Many people with broad eyes and many people with small sorry small eyes and broad faces >> that can pick out anyone.
>> Saying it's a guest. So you are saying it could >> pick out anyone. Yeah.
>> Right. Okay. But doesn't is that you don't think that's absurd to just say that's a >> No, that can just pick out anyone. So he just gets the the the place as well that the broad faces and small eyes would exactly besiege and the population of the people >> again. Did you hear the do I have to keep repeating myself?
>> Yeah, you repeated you just keep saying that um a lot of people have broad faces and small eyes which is >> that can pick out that can pick out quite literally anyone.
>> Not anyone. Okay, first of all, second of all, are there many are there different people with broad eyes and small faces in the world?
>> Yes.
>> Okay, so that can pick out anyone.
>> Yeah. Okay, that was my point. I'm not saying he uh I'm saying he prophesied the siege, not the way the people look.
The way the people will look is just like a cherry on top.
>> What >> What are you laughing for?
>> I This is just a vague prophecy.
>> That's how is that vague? In what world is that vague? Okay. He also guessed the river the river.
>> Yeah. He also he also prophesied that they will uh settle in the Muslims will settle.
>> Gather your gather your thoughts, dude.
like you're like speaking a little too quickly. Gather your thoughts.
>> The Muslims, the Muslims in Albasra will gather near a river called Tigris. Guess what? There's Babel Bas today. And right next to it is Tigris. And the Muslims were there until the Mongols conquered them. I mean, come on. How is this How is this vague at all?
>> How is this What do you mean how is this vague? I already told you why would this Why would this would be vague?
No, you just keep saying there's a lot of people with broad faces and small eyes, which is not it's just not a rebuttal at all.
I'm sorry. Are you Cuz I don't I don't think Trying to be a little patient with you guys.
Do you want to actually respond to the thing that I said earlier? Cuz again, your whole point is that it's saying that there are these group of people that are going to besiege the Islam an Islamic nation. Correct.
>> It's not a nation. And it was just Muslims that settled there.
>> Well, just the Muslims then. Sure. The Muslims that settled there.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. And that can refer to anyone because again, you said that these people have broad faces or um wide faces and small eyes. That feels a little that feels a little I'm not going to lie, bro. That feels a little racist. But that can >> I was describing the looks of someone.
>> I'm not saying it it I'm saying it just feels racist cuz Tik Tok be Tik Tok be tripping out over certain things.
>> Yeah, that's fair. That's fair. Okay, that's fair.
>> [laughter] >> But that can literally just pick out anyone.
>> Yeah. But it's not just about the way they look. It's also where they where they settled and where they conquered.
So all of that together is just way too too much to just lucky guess it.
Do you see my point? At least >> I I don't see what the prophecy is.
>> What? I I explained it like three times already.
>> No, you didn't. This is just vague.
>> In what world is that vague? They What do you mean in what world is that vague?
I already provided you one example for why this would be vague.
>> All you said three times is that there's a lot of people with broad faces and small eyes. That's all that's all you said, bro.
>> And >> yeah, that's just that's that's not all I said.
>> Yeah, that in and of itself are like, are you not are you not listening to the thing that I'm saying?
>> So So there was there was an aspect of it that's a little vague and that's why you reject the whole thing.
>> I'm not Oh my gosh. I'm saying the prophecy in and of itself is vague cuz you're saying this is picking out a specific group of people. I'm not racist, but you're saying that this can pick out a or this is picking out a specific group of people.
>> I'm saying no, it's not >> because this can just pick out anyone.
My charger keyboard is dying.
>> Not anyone. Not a lot of not a lot of races with broad faces and small eyes.
>> Yes, there are what?
>> Not too many. Not too many.
>> There are a lot. There are a lot. And he also specified it's like this the I don't know the exact translation of what that means but it's definitely like an area.
>> So how do you what do you mean? Okay.
You're going to tell me you don't know exactly what that's going to mean and then you're going to tell me right after that you know you're telling me the meaning right after telling us >> you don't know what it means.
>> I don't know what Bento translates to.
>> So then how are you going to tell us what it means right after?
>> I just know that the area also encompasses the Mongols. So that's why what are you doing just >> Hello, bro. Can you hear me?
>> I can. Are you Muslim? [snorts] >> Uh, yeah, of course.
>> Okay. Can you move us on?
>> Well, I wanted to find you, right? Uh, about the cross.
>> You have like a very >> You guys watch the cross because uh >> Oh, wait, wait, wait. Let me change your room.
>> You sound like you're in a room that's echoing.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Can you hear me better now, >> brother? I No, I can't. You're You sound What room are you in >> right now? Right now?
>> Yeah. Yeah, >> right now. Better.
>> I guess I can I can put up I can put up with it. Don't worry. I can put up with it.
>> Yeah. Okay. So, I have a question. You guys worship the cross, right? Because the Jesus died on the cross.
>> No, we don't worship the cross. No. Do you want to just prove his or symbol of of >> Can you prove his?
>> No. No. I just wanted to ask you this question.
>> Can you prove Islam?
>> Yeah, sure.
>> Okay, go ahead.
>> If Jesus died, if Jesus died by the car accident, it's not the topic of the live cross, bro.
>> It's not the topic of religious answer.
>> Would you would you worship a car?
>> It's not the topic of the live.
>> If Jesus died by a car accident, >> I'm going to say it one more time.
>> If Jesus died by a car accident, would you worship? I'm going to say one more time. It's not the topic of the live.
Okay, he left. Whatever. Where's copying Kora? I've been doing this way longer than Kora.
Uh, just let him speak. You can't answer.
It's not the topic of the live. like the one day that I'm actually trying to be like a little bit more patient with people.
Give them a little bit more give him a little more like space to speak and whatnot. Bro, the one time.
>> Oh, I'm sorry. when he kept like talking over you when you said it's not the topic of our life. It reminded me of Injustice where if you throw a hit but you uh you use the meter bar to counter it and go through it so you can get a bigger hit. That's what it reminded me of. Bro, he just kept talking. So it's not the topic of the live.
>> It's not the topic of the live.
>> All right, you can finish this, bro. I just wanted to say that, bro.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Uh >> are we having like a are we having a karaoke night? He brought a whole mariachi band with him.
Uh, proving Islam equals religion that believes in one God and has not deviated from that sense. How How does that prove Islam?
How How does that prove Islam?
Truthfully speaking, I don't know, bro.
Hey bro, stop requesting cuz you keep uh like the first time you came up here, you had like some AI thing. Uh stop repeating the same words. Me? Are you talking about me? Jews believe in one God. Amen.
Amen. So therefore, Judaism is true, guys. So therefore, Judaism is true.
How can God be born? Bro, you came up here. You were supposed to prove Islam, but you just didn't even bother trying at all.
Uh oh. You're not asking, Pran. You're asking convince me to believe that's Huh.
I need to get in a different live. So I need to keep requesting you go to the different live. I'm not the live. If I'm not the live you're trying to get to, go to that live.
>> Hey, what up?
>> What's up?
>> What's up? How are you?
>> I'm good. Are you Muslim?
>> Alhamdulillah. I'm Muslim.
>> All right. Can you prove a Islam?
>> Yeah. The Quran itself present God as one eternal creator independent all knowing Allah creation.
>> Huh?
>> What's the problem? I said the Quran itself present God as one eternal creator independent or >> a lot of books do that.
>> Yeah. Unlike creation also Islam avoids many.
>> A lot of books do that.
>> Yeah. I mean like why you are Christian because you believe in the >> I don't I don't know what that has to do with what I'm saying or what the topic is but a lot of book a lot of books and a lot of different religions do the same thing that doesn't that doesn't mean that their religion is true does it >> exactly so the real question is not if Islam is true or >> that is the real question >> the the real question is uh which uh worldview best explains God existence morality revelation and human purpose without uh collapsing into contradiction. That's the real question because all religions have books as you mentioned but now we have to compare the books and to find like the real religion and the truth right is this what are you just asking me like bro can you can you prove Islam or no?
>> Yeah I I told you the Quran you said all books have the Quran all books calling for God. All books.
>> Yeah. Like all of the same qualities that you just pointed out about Islam or like the things that Islam teaches.
>> Other religions have the same thing.
That doesn't mean that these other religions are somehow true because of that. Does it?
>> I understand. I understand. Totally understand. Now we have to compare to find which >> they don't.
>> Yes. Which world view best explains God existence, morality, revelation?
>> You don't.
>> And human purpose.
Okay. How do you know if what you have is true? How do I know?
>> Yes.
>> What is what I know or what I believe in? How does that how is that going to help you understand how you're supposed to prove? Because >> I want to know your criteria.
>> My criteria is irrelevant. I'm asking you how do you prove Islam to be true?
Because I'm asking you, hey, leave these other religions aside cuz these other religions are not the topic. These other religions don't show Islam to be true.
If Christianity was false, if if Hinduism was false, if Judaism was false, other religions could be false.
That doesn't make Islam true somehow.
I'm asking you, hey, can you show that Islam is true or not?
>> Okay. And in Muslim, we have criteria to follow. Whatever criteria is to find like the consistency in the in the scripture, if there's a contradiction, if it's calling like God in different way like against the human mind, that's in Islam. How we prove like our religion is the truth.
>> In what way? By saying that there's no contradictions in it.
>> There's no contradiction in the Quran.
>> So So what? That doesn't make it true.
>> I mean like because it's a word of God.
If it was a word of a human, >> there's a lot of books that don't have contradictions, that doesn't mean that they're somehow true.
>> When I open like the old uh books, I have a phone I have a phone. My parents have a phone book that doesn't have any contradictions in. Does that mean that the phone book is somehow divine revelation? the phone the phone book of your of your parents isn't the message from God is >> okay it doesn't have any contradictions does that mean that it's it doesn't have any contradictions does that mean that it's somehow divine revelation >> no again we are speaking about the message what >> the criteria the criteria that you presented was that there is no contradictions that's a that's the criteria that you set forward >> I said when I have a book like present god in the best way and there's no contradictions on it and it's not not written by a man that's what's mean like it's a it's a word of god when it's coming like when it's coming to other books when it's coming to another books you can find like a lot of contradictions inside it because it's been written by by human >> that doesn't make it false or true just because there's no contradictions in something that doesn't mean that it's true or false >> okay the consistency 1400 years been like uh uh memorized generation after generation isn't that >> a lot of people memorize a lot of different books so what >> all right can do you memorize like your book >> what does me memorizing anything have to do with your point >> any You have the old and new testament.
>> What does that have to do with what I said? What does that have to do with what does that have to do with what I said?
>> I said all people I never heard about like >> I don't I'm not wor I'm not worried about what you I'm not worried about what you've heard and what you haven't heard. I'm saying memorize memorizing something doesn't make it somehow divine revelation or true. A lot of a lot of people memorize different things. That doesn't mean that the thing that they're memorizing is somehow true. Actors memorize movie scripts. That doesn't mean that the movie script is somehow divinely inspired.
Okay. So now again I'm going to ask you that question again. What's your criteria?
>> My criteria is irrelevant. I need you to show that your belief or what you believe to be true is actually true or that it actually comports to reality.
You say like you you want me to uh you say what's your criteria? When I say what's your criteria, you say I need you to show that your belief or what you believe.
>> I said my criteria is irrelevant. What I think or how I prove something to be true or the way that or the criteria that I have is irrelevant to this.
>> All right, let's let's uh talk about my criteria. Let's say about Islam. Does Islam does Islam correspond to reality?
No, >> I don't think so. You need to show that it does. I >> believe I believe that because Okay, I know you believe that. I'm saying you need to show that to be true.
Okay, tell me the way you want me to show it to you like from the scripture itself.
>> Here, let's say the Quran. Is it true?
Is this is it from God somehow?
>> Yes. Do you have like a problem with any verse in the Quran?
>> I need you to show that the Quran is true.
>> Well, in my belief it's true. I have no is it from God?
>> Yeah, because you know it's from God presented to me.
>> Okay, here. How do you know it's from God?
>> Because it's the word of God.
>> How do you know that? How do you know that it's from God? Because because in 114 surah 30 chapters it's a consistent nothing against anything.
>> Being consistent doesn't make it consistency doesn't consistency doesn't make it from God.
>> Actually actually do you want like do you want uh like scient scientific proof from the Quran like 1400 years ago a literate man from the desert came with it and no one before hima came with it. Do you want like a verse about it? What scientific proof are you talking about?
>> Well, uh, let me find the the verse. I'm going to bring it to you and you can put it in the screen so we can read it together. All right.
>> How's that sound?
>> I I guess, bro. Go ahead.
>> All right. Give me one second.
[snorts] You guys tap the screen guys. Like the live All right. Can you open 962?
>> 962. What does it say?
>> Yeah. He created man from clinging substance and I want the reverse Arabic.
Uh it's alak and you can find alak is uh it's it's mean leech. 9. You said 962.
>> Yes, >> bro. They asking me to donate.
>> They said he created man from a clinging form.
>> Yeah.
>> What about it?
>> The the the word alak the last word alak if you it means exactly leech in English. You know leech.
>> Yeah. Yeah. So when describing describing the the that's a clinging substance or the clot clinging it's exact look like a leech inside the womb.
It's stick in the womb look like a leech. Exactly. So can you tell me how a man 1400 years before sonar knows exact look of that uh clock?
>> What?
>> Yeah. Can you tell me how a man in a desert desert brought a verse speaking about >> he's the one bringing the verses?
>> Yeah. Bring who?
>> Is he the one that's bringing the verses?
>> The Quran is revealed to him and he is the [clears throat] mediator. So he was like Jesus. He doesn't speak by himself.
He speak what's been told to him by the father. Right? Exact same thing because it's the Quran is revealed to him and he's the chosen one. He's the [clears throat] last prophet to talk people about the Islam.
>> Okay. Help me understand. Are you saying that if the Quran gets things scientifically accurate, then it's true?
It's from Allah, right?
>> No, it's not about like because of that it's true. It's not just one reason.
>> I asked you how do you know it's I asked you. I asked you how do you know it's true? And you you brought this up.
>> I'm answering. It's just one of the reasons. Many reasons, not only one reason. So as let's say here, let's say scientific proof. As a scientific proof coming, we are coming for something is hidden.
>> Okay, hold on. Let let's say let's say this is like let's say this was true.
This is one of the ways that you prove Islam to be true. So then the inverse should also be true. If it gets things scientifically inaccurate then it should be false. Right.
>> Yeah. Give me something.
>> I'm asking you is the inverse true?
>> Inverse true? What >> is the is the inverse of what you said true? where if it gets things scientifically accurate, then it's one of the ways that you prove it to be true. So then if it gets things scientifically inaccurate, then it shows it to be false. Correct?
>> Well, uh if like [clears throat] if someone argues scientific accuracy is evidence supporting the Quran, then obvious scientific error would count against the argument.
>> So then the inverse is true.
>> Reasonable.
>> So then are you saying Okay. So then >> Yeah. But but let me finish. But the Muslim should as Muslim we clarify something important. Scientific reference in the Quran are usually treated as supportive signs not the sole foundation of Islam.
>> I'm not worried about that. I'm saying I'm not I'm not that's not I'm not worried about that.
>> What I'm asking you is if this is one of the cases for Islam being true, then the inverse of that should also make Islam false. That if it gets scientific things incorrect, then it should also be incorrect or Islam should be incorrect because of it.
Correct.
>> Yes. If the Quran contained clear and un and deniable scientific falsehood that would count against the claim of divine origin.
>> Okay. Where is possible? Okay. Where does sperm come from?
>> What's what >> where does sperm come from?
>> Sperm come from the back of man.
>> The back of man.
>> Yes.
>> Can you show me a source that says that?
>> Where's the sperm coming from? Show me show me a source that says that.
>> What? Where do you think there? Let me ask you first. Then >> as a matter of fact, maybe this will help you.
>> Yeah, tell me. Where's the sp?
>> What's it say right here? What's it say right here?
>> H >> What's it say right here?
>> I can't read because I have like very weak uh vision.
>> What's it say right here?
>> Who said that? No, sperm is not coming from Spy.
Who said that?
>> Uh, yo, please Tik Tok. Please, Tik Tok.
Please Tik Tok. I love this app. Tik Tok, you didn't see that. You did not see that. Tik Tok, you didn't see that.
Tik Tok, you didn't see that.
Wait, hold on. I got to make sure. I got to make sure. T, bro, I got to make sure. Tik Tok.
I got to make sure Tik Tok was like >> All right. First of all, >> hold on.
>> Are you referring? [laughter] Are you referring >> Hold on. Hold on.
>> Wait.
>> It's okay. It's okay. It's scientific.
Scientific. No worry. So, are you are you referring to the Quran uh 866-7?
He was created from a a fluid ejected emerging from between the backbone and the ribs. Is that the referring to?
>> Yeah. Cuz all all the scientific all the scientific data that we have today.
>> Did you notice all the sc all the scientific evidence that we have today supports that it comes from the testicles from your nose?
>> Did you notice the Quran doesn't say literally say sperm is produced inside the spine.
>> It says that it comes from the spine.
It's the phrase between the and the >> from the rib and the backbone explained in Arabic from the rib cage and the back from the back backbone and the rib cage I'm going to explain for you the phrase between the s and has been interpreted historically in multiple ways by Muslim scholars. Some understood it as the region of the body, >> the productive body, the productive area or referring collectively to male and female origins and scientifically reprodu reproductive organs developed.
>> Where where you getting that from?
>> Huh?
>> Where you getting that from?
>> This is from Islam.
>> Okay. Show me that.
>> Show you what?
>> Show me that. Show me that this is where you get is not spying. Show me where people are interpreting it the way that you said it is.
>> A man woman >> what >> the the saying between the verse itself is saying like in the which is 866 6-7 he was created from a fluid ejected emerging from between the backbone and the ribs.
>> Okay. That's not your notes. It doesn't say it doesn't say >> that's not that's not your testicles.
>> It again the testicles the the the production is not coming from the testicle itself.
>> So then every piece of every piece every single piece of scientific literature that we have that says that it does come from the testicles or that it's produced from the testicles. Are they lying?
I have to uh check this information you just told me about like every single >> is this is this like some some kind of like some kind of like profound knowledge that you guys didn't have or you guys just don't know.
>> Well, I know I know like scientifically the sperms is coming from the testicles.
I know.
>> Okay. But >> so then so then what is the issue that we're having here? the production the production of the uh sperms is not coming directly only from the >> so when this says right here sperm production in the testes >> the real the the real >> the test wait the testicles where sperm is produced >> what >> the source that I just read where it says that sperm is produced here. Is it just lying?
>> I didn't say it's lying. I'm not saying it's lying, but but the verse itself doesn't talk about that.
>> It literally says that it comes from the backbone in the rib cage.
>> That's English translation. The >> That's also in the Arabic.
>> The No, the the Arabic doesn't say backbone. It doesn't say.
>> What? What does it say?
>> It says sb is not.
>> So then what is it? What is sb?
>> Sb is mean like from the man like how to explain what? Okay, let me let me find exactly what mean. So I can explain for you because I'm Arabic speaker and you want me to explain like exact word what soap mean? What's so >> so here this is like this is the word for word translation right here >> coming forth >> from between the backbone >> you a you wasn't even pronouncing it right. It's a >> the backbone and the ribs.
J wasn't even pronouncing it right.
>> It could it could mean it could mean the backbone. How do you say?
>> Oh, so now it can mean it. Okay.
>> Loins, >> lower back or a firm hard central structure.
>> So when you were telling me that Wait, so when you were telling me that it doesn't mean that earlier, were you lying?
>> I didn't say it doesn't mean you you want to bring >> I literally said that it I told you. I didn't say it was only that. I never said that. I said that it means this and then you said no, it doesn't mean that.
That's what you did. That's what you said.
>> I said it doesn't mean exactly that.
>> So, but you just now said that it can mean that.
>> It can mean if it's mean that it can mean as a word by itself.
>> Okay. So, it can mean backbone. Correct.
>> It could mean but it's not meaning.
>> So, then where are you getting your meaning from?
>> So, so are we like finishing? Hey, where are you getting where are you getting your meaning? Where are you getting your meaning from?
>> I will answer that just before before we I answer that. Are we done with the leech one?
>> Where are you getting Where are you getting it?
>> Where are you getting your definition for it from?
>> I well I never say soul cannot I didn't say you to the backbone. Wait, I say the verse is not necessarily limited to the modern uh idea.
>> I'm not I'm not worried about that originates from I'm not worried about that. I'm asking you where are you getting your definition from?
>> Well, from scientific sperm literally originates from the spinal column.
>> Show me that.
>> Show you what? Show you how it's like it's produced there inside the spine.
Yes. All right.
Give me one second.
I'll read the super chat out while he does that. Um, saved by grace with a $20 super chat. Oh my god. Zed in the desert and Muslims follow every action. So they should uh get their moon split. So they should get their moons slip too and walk around see the stains on their clothes.
It's crazy work. It's crazy work.
That's crazy work. But thank you for the $20 super chat. I appreciate that.
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I'm Muslim. Okay.
here, bro. Whenever you have the the source, you can come back.
Hey, you guys, tap the screen, guys.
Like the live. Tap the screen. Like the live. Share the live. Do whatever you guys can. Hello.
>> Hello.
>> Hey, man.
>> Give me one. Give me one second. One second.
>> It's been one second, man.
I'll tap but not binding.
>> Go ahead.
>> Are you Muslim?
>> Yeah. Yeah, I am.
>> All right. Can you prove Islam?
>> Prove what?
>> Prove Islam.
>> Like how?
>> Show that it's true.
>> Okay. Um, and what's your what's your criteria?
Just tell me what you think makes it true, bro.
>> All right. Well, Islam calls to one universal God. That's number one.
>> So what?
>> And number two, Islam is the earliest religion ever existed. That's number two.
And then Muslims are pretty much every race, religion, and like every country you go, like every different race we have in. So we have Chinese Muslim, Malaysian Muslims.
>> I'm sorry. Hold on. Hold on.
>> I've had a pretty I've had a pretty long day. So I think I think that's why I might have like misheard something. But what was the second? What was the second one you said? Run that back for me. Play that back again. I'm sorry. Islam is the oldest religion.
>> How you know that?
>> Because [clears throat] everything came after Islam.
>> How you know that?
>> Because Christianity and Jews started about thousand years ago after Islam.
>> What? What's your evidence for that?
>> Well, Judaism started from the guy, his name is Meun Musmonite in Andulusia.
>> What's your evidence? I'm saying what's the evidence?
>> Because he because he wrote the he wrote the Tanah. that Mus wrote the Tanakh in Arabic.
>> What's your what's your evidence for that?
>> The the Arabic scrolls of Tanakh are in Arabic. The the oldest Tanakh is in Arabic.
>> The Arabic The Arabic is sure that >> No, the oldest the oldest Tanakh is in Arabic.
>> Do you know what the Tanakh is?
>> Yeah. Five books of Musa.
>> That's the Torah, not the Tanakh. that Torah, Tanak, whatever you want to call it, those five books.
>> Tanakh, the Tanakh comes way like are the books that come after and the Tanakh, especially through like the through like the readings of the Dead Scrolls that we have predate a thousand years ago.
>> Dead Sea Scrolls are fake. All of them.
>> Prove it. What?
>> Uh, go to go to CNN. Actually, go >> CNN.
>> No, no. Go on Google, type fake Dead Sea Scrolls. And the last one came out was uh from Bible Museum. $40 million.
>> I'm sorry. What I need you to do right now is show us how the Dead Sea Scrolls are fake.
>> You can just simply find me one good Dead Sea.
>> No, I just need you to tell us how you know that the Dead Sea Scrolls are fake.
Give a source that says the same thing that you're saying right now.
>> Because the last one, the last $40 million worth of Dead Sea Scrolls that Bible Museum Washington DC bought, they were fake.
>> Prove it.
>> It's on the news. Go see it on BBC.
>> Oh. Oh, it's on the Wow, it's on the news. Therefore, what I'm saying is true. That doesn't show that what you're saying is true.
>> Okay. So, Bible Museum themselves admitted >> I'm not worried about I'm not worried.
I'm not worried about that. I'm asking you to show that the Dead Sea Scrolls that we have are false, are fake.
>> Okay. So, the Dead Sea Scrolls that the Bible Museum and then that's the big >> I'm not I'm not falling for Rage Bay today. I'm not falling for Rage Bay today. I am not.
I am not. How sad. Very. It's on CNN, guys. You time out. Hello.
>> Hello.
>> What's up?
>> Can you fix your mic? We can hardly hear you.
We can hardly hear you, bro. Can you fix your mic?
Hello.
Okay, bro. And ain't didn't CNN get like called like get didn't they get like a lawsuit against them for like showing fake news and whatnot?
Like what are we talking about?
Tough question. Couldn't even Yeah, it's on CNN, guys. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Just for reference.
>> Okay. Okay.
>> Yeah. Wait, just for reference of the person talking about leech, he didn't know is plural. The original word is car. So, he'll be saying there's multiple leeches in the womb according to him.
>> I was trying to tell you, let me up you.
If this was a tic tac life, I would call you a mad.
>> Stay safe. Yo, Tik Tok.
>> Love you too, right? Love you too.
I believe he's a flat. I believe what I believe. What? I believe he believes that earth flat. I don't know.
I I I don't know. I don't know if he believes that or not. Um, y'all saying Jesus is Muslim, but Islam Islam Islamic countries still That's I don't know if I can say that on TikTok, but yeah. Yeah, bro. You got that. I don't know if I can say that on this app. Hey, but y'all tap the screen, guys. Tap the screen like the live. top of the screen like alive. Uh the Dead Sea Scrolls are absolutely real, you know.
Does he believe flat earth is flat?
Really?
Some of y'all saying he believes it?
Like y'all know him personally. Dang.
Y'all must know him personally cuz y'all y'all calling out his personal beliefs right now. Who? That the last guy that was up here.
The last guy that was up here. I think that's what they're talking about. Oh, Quran says that the earth is flat. I didn't know that. I didn't I didn't know that. I didn't know that. Somebody want to give me like the soda or something?
Cuz if that's true, then that's crazy.
Why?
Why a triune god never preached before Jesus? It was.
It was. It was. It was.
It was. I don't know where you got that from.
Islam evidence. The Quran has never been changed. Amen, bro. I guess I guess that's evidence. [snorts] I guess that's evidence.
Um I I don't How do How does that prove Islam?
Hey, come on up, Brent. Come on up.
Uh, Rick Park.
>> Yo, Light, what's up?
>> What's up? Are you Muslim?
>> No, bro. Uh, I'm Christian. I I joined like live stream. I was just saying what's up. But >> I know you debate and stuff, but I got like questions, like Christian questions if that's cool.
>> Uh, I have a person on the panel right now. Is it cool if you come up maybe like towards like the end of the live and I I'll get your questions.
>> Yeah, ask.
>> All right, for sure. God bless you, bro.
Uh, user, what's up, user?
User 6151613167228.
What's up?
I know >> like hardly I It's very very quiet.
All right, listen. Let me transfer this out. Let me message my question.
>> Do you have um like a something connected to your phone like earbuds or something like that?
>> Let me just check. I'll come back to you.
>> Okay.
I either he got the worst phone of all time, the worst earbuds of all time, or it's just it's just something else.
Can't be can't be anything else. Paul taught a god that was never known to the Jews.
Whatever you say. Quran's preservation has been debunked over and over. Yeah.
Are you back?
User, are you there?
All right.
like you saw my comment. I did not know I did not prove Islam is true to who and just show that it's true in general.
It doesn't have to be like to a certain someone.
It doesn't have to be like to a spec specific person. Who forgot to hit the like button? There's like 60 plus people in here. Um I think it's me's back. He's a troll.
I'll let him up one more time just to make sure. Oh, never mind. He's not even in the request anymore. Jesus by himself can do nothing.
Oh, also I forgot to say appreciate uh Life for the Raid earlier. I forgot to say it cuz I was talking to a guest, but uh thank you Life for the Raid if he's not even here, but thank you. I appreciate that.
Uh, what the be life? Amen. Amen.
This is right out of comment. I'm scared to know what that what it means. Sorry.
You don't know what happened to my I don't know what happened to my mic. Uh, either if you have like something connected to your phone, like a microphone or anything like that, unplug it. or if you have like earbuds or something like that that aren't connected, connect them so that you maybe you can uh go through that. It doesn't matter to who. So, basically, you're just going to play devil's advocate for everyone. Yeah, man. Yeah, I guess I What do you want me to What do you want me to tell you? Like, show me how you do first EDP and I'll answer you. You're going to tell he's just calling me EDP is crazy.
I don't know if you know what that implies. You just call me EDP is Bro, that's crazy.
That's so crazy.
[snorts] Is this person connecting?
>> Hello, it's me.
>> Okay, I muted you.
Okay, it's just a troll.
It's literally just a troll.
Hello.
>> Hello.
>> What's up? Are you in Muslim?
>> Welcome.
Yes.
>> Okay. Can you prove Islam?
Yeah.
>> Okay. Go ahead.
>> Do you want me to convince you?
>> Yeah. Show that there's evidence for Islam.
>> Persuade you?
>> Yeah. Show that there's evidence for Islam.
>> So, what's your intention to get people to convince and persuade you? What? For why?
>> I I just want to know if Islam is true, bro.
Okay. You haven't found your answer, right?
>> Nah.
>> Okay. Well, what do you think? What is true and what is real?
>> What?
What are you conscious? God conscious.
Okay, I'm terrified.
Whatever that means.
Whatever that means. It's Bane. Oh, like Oh, is this person up here? I I think I remember them. Oh, they were also up on Ma's live, too. Oh, I remember. I remember. I remember. I remember.
You merely adopted the dock. I was born in it. He sounds like No, Rafiki. No, not Rafiki from L. No, no, no.
He doesn't sound like Rafiki. I don't know. He He sounds like somebody else.
Uh, I'm trying to remember exactly who.
He sounds like Bane. That's all I know.
Um, hello.
Yo, bro, you really need to turn off that child porn tab you got on.
[sighs and gasps] I'm going to restart the Tik Tok live.
I'm going to restart the Tik Tok live.
Oh my god, these people are so weird.
These people are so weird.
That's such a weird thing to do.
That's so weird.
Yo. Yo. What's up? What's up? What's up?
We love Tik Top indeed. My gosh.
One of my mods that's in here. Hold on.
Text show up in there.
Christianity is true and Islam is false and that's a fact. Amen.
Amen.
Here again. Indeed.
Bro, this app this app has like weirdos on it. Like genuine weirdos.
You look depressed. Do I? Do I?
Do I actually?
What's up, Rebel? How you doing, bro?
He's back. Yeah, I guess.
>> Bro, like, you need to cheer up, bro.
You like that one song, Hello Darkness, my old friend. Bro, I I don't What What do you want me to do? That guy That guy just came up here saying that crazy stuff. Like, what am I supposed to do after that?
>> Yeah, he's like a grown man doing that, bro.
>> Yeah, bro.
Thank you, Roel. I appreciate that.
>> Yeah, I love you, too, bro.
>> All right, I'm >> say I love you, bro. Hello.
>> So, are you doing this for business?
>> I I don't have a business.
So what is the point that you're trying to get out of this?
>> I'm just trying to see if people can prove us wrong >> for yourself. Are you doing this for like this will negatively I don't know if you understand this will negatively impact your view on whatever religion or culture you are. It will negatively impact that and not only that it'll negatively impact the Muslims view on them on that religion that you are in.
And it's going to negatively impact the how the social norm is going to negatively impact like everything.
>> And you know that for a fact.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay.
>> Hello.
>> Yeah. Hello.
>> What's up Muslim?
No, I just was hearing a child speaking to you on the live.
>> Jeff with the $5 super chat says, "For the business."
Indeed. It's for the business. Indeed. I I don't What business do I have? I don't know. What business do I have, bro?
What business do I have?
She just turned She just learned the term negatively. Yeah, I'm not going to bully her for it. Like, tomorrow is a Muslim aid. I didn't know that. I didn't know it was tomorrow. I knew you guys had it, but I didn't know it was grifting business.
I don't make nearly enough off of these apps to to grift.
Not nearly.
I'm like tired right now.
Thank you for the heart, man. I appreciate that.
What's your problem with other religions?
Didn't say I had a problem or did I did I don't know if you heard me say anything about like me having a problem.
I'm just saying I just want people to prove that their religions are true. And then McCain with a $2 super chat lianded on standing 10 tento's down on business.
She thought my business was low-key like hurting people's feelings. She said, "You negatively impacting other people's faiths or you just negatively impacting people."
I didn't know that. I didn't know that.
Other religions are for Satan. Amen.
Amen. Berkeley. Amen. Don't forget to subscribe. Amen.
Brother, what? Send Shim. Huh? I don't know what that is.
Shazmi a messenger or mohijab and you will get cooked.
I mean I don't I don't know who those people are. All I know is Muhammad a job and that's it. I don't I don't know who the rest are. They're somewhat like it ain't your fault. You just keeping it real. Yeah. I'm trying to keep it as real as possible.
Thank god for Thank God for headphones.
Um, Muslims still pushing hijab. Hijab I don't I don't understand Christians can't prove Christian. Yes, we can. Um, I think Hijab is like hella outdated and he like hardly gets any better with like things that he teaches or anything like that. So, I don't I don't understand why they still push him out.
He's like uh he's like one of those like old antiques that used to be good back in the day.
>> Hello.
>> Hello.
>> What's up? Are you Muslim?
Yes, I am. Alhamdulillah.
>> And you?
>> No, I'm not. Uh, can you prove Islam?
>> Okay. I prove Islam. I will give you five five evidence. I think I hope it's enough.
One of them will be historical and some of them is prophecy too.
Okay. I don't know if you know about the prophet Muhammad. Do you know something about the prophet Muhammad? Have you read his history?
I know a bit about him.
>> H >> I know a bit about him.
>> What do you know about him?
>> Are you here to ask me what I know about him or are you going to show that he's >> I want to see you want to see if you know something at least.
>> I I don't know what I don't want I don't know what you want me to tell you. I mean >> you know the prophet Muhammad sallallahu alaihi wasallam was illiterate. He doesn't write. He doesn't read, right?
>> Yeah.
>> You know this part or no?
So question here how can he bring that kind of book does he know all the story back days and it shows also the future some verses also show the future what's going to happen do you think that's a normal for someone like illiterate person can do >> yeah because he can read not not read but he can hear stories from other people >> okay let's say he read the stories what about the future >> what future >> can he tell stories from the future What's going to happen?
>> Like what?
>> Like what?
>> Okay. You know the Constantina poem >> Constantinople? Yeah.
>> Yeah.
You read about the pro there is a a narrated word from prophet.
It says that constant Paul will be surely be conquered. Its commander is the best command and army is the best army and is reported in Muslim Ahmed.
Okay. Can someone risk his all his legacy by saying nonsense like that?
>> You know, you know you can do that with any with anyone.
>> Okay.
>> Anyone can do that.
>> What do you mean anyone can do?
>> Anyone can say that someone is going to have a battle or like or going to have a war with somebody. You know, you know, it was specific.
>> I can specify someone that's going to have a battle as well.
>> Okay. Okay. Tell me someone in the history.
>> What do you mean tell you someone in history?
>> Someone in the story. He said like that some Constant or any country in the world is going to be like that. Show me one person did it.
>> Show you one person doing what?
>> As I told you the prophet here say the Constantin will be conquered and its commander is the best commander. Are you just tell Yeah. The Old Testament does it a lot. It tells you that there's going to be lands that are conquered by other nations.
>> That doesn't mean anything.
>> No, it means it means everything. That's means that that's a sign of prophecy.
>> So, the Old Testament is from God.
>> I'm answering you. I'm answering you here the question you ask me. If you want me to ask you a question, we can move on to another question.
>> I'm asking you how you know how does this prove Islam? Cuz there's other cuz there's other people that can also do the same thing where they can there's other people that can do the same thing where they will say, "Oh, these group of people, they're going to win a certain battle or these people are going to have a war." There's books that do the same thing. That doesn't that doesn't mean anything.
>> Okay. Show me.
>> Show you what?
>> Show me what you say. There is a book.
>> What specifically? And I I pointed out the Old Testament.
>> Okay. So, Old Testament, it's a it's a book then.
>> Yes. The Old Testament is multiple books.
>> It's from God.
>> Mhm.
>> Well, there's a lot of contractity in the book.
>> There's a lot of what?
>> Contra in the book. Something against each other.
>> What is contraies?
>> For example, the the people who in the Bible they say after the Jesus died.
>> I'm saying what what is what is contra?
I don't know what that means.
>> For example, you say something and other one he said the opposite thing.
Oh, you mean contradiction?
>> Yes. Sorry, my English. Yeah.
>> Okay. The Quran has contradictions, too.
>> Okay. Show me. Pour me one verse.
>> I got you.
But here I'm going to show you a lot of that.
[clears throat] Uh right now if I let me just ask you this real quick. Um If I uh if I said to you right now that like let's say a mom says that you're not going to clean any dishes and then the mother or only you're going to clean certain dishes and then she says you and someone else will clean the dishes. Did she contradict herself?
>> Say the example again. I don't even understand it. If a mom says only you will clean the dishes >> and then she says you and someone else will clean the dishes. Is the mother contradicting herself?
>> I don't know what you're trying to point to, but show me show me.
>> I'm asking you a question. I'm saying if a mom says only you will >> only you will wash your dishes.
>> No, my my question was >> I know what your I know what your question I know I know what your question is.
I know what your question is. I'm saying if a mom said I'm just giving an example. I'm just giving I'm giving you an I'm giving you anam. I'm giving an example.
>> Just give the example. Give me the proof directly.
>> I'm going to do that. Don't worry. I'm saying if a mother says only you are going to clean your dishes and then she continues to say you and someone else will clean those dishes.
Does she contradict herself?
If she if she contact I don't know could be.
>> Could be.
>> Could be.
>> What do you mean could be?
>> Okay. She say wash your dishes and she told you again wash with someone is mean that she she modified.
>> What? No. I'm asking you if she says if she says only you if she says only you If she says if she says only you, let's say this, if she says only you will carry your backpack, >> you know what a backpack is.
>> Mhm.
>> If she says only you will carry your backpack and then she says you and someone else will carry your backpack, is she contradicting herself?
>> Let's say yes.
>> Okay.
>> Okay. I don't know what you're trying to get.
>> That's all that's all I [laughter] right here. This is uh this is chapter 35:18.
It says, "No burdened soul will bear the burden of another." How many souls are going to bear burdens?
>> What's uh what's the verse again?
>> Chapter 35:8.
>> I can't read it.
>> Chapter 35:8.
>> Okay, just Yeah.
Okay.
>> How many souls are going to bear burdens?
woman. What's your question here?
>> How many souls are bearing burdens here?
>> How many souls been?
>> Yes, but it was a little bit.
Okay, let me let me open my a little bit. I don't what's so hard about it's just hard to understand.
[snorts] What's the definition of a contradiction, a proposition, and its negation?
How many souls are bearing the burdens here? That's the question. Okay, >> let me just pull out the air so I can talk to you because I I don't understand.
Okay, go ahead. What was the question?
>> How many souls are bearing burdens here?
>> How many souls?
>> Mhm.
>> It's only one, right?
>> Okay. Yeah. One.
>> Okay. No one else. Only one.
>> Okay. Now, only one is bearing the burdens of only here. Only you bear your burdens. Only you. No one else.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. Now go to chapter 29.
>> That's justice.
>> Okay. Now go to chapter 29 12 and 13.
>> Against this is against your >> Okay.
>> The the justice of your of the >> I'm not worried about I'm not worried about that. I'm not worried about that.
>> No, that's that's part of it.
>> I'm not I'm not wor I'm not worried about that right now. I'm just I said go to chapter 29 12. Okay.
>> Chapter 29.
Okay, I see in the >> Okay. Chapter 29:12 says, "Those who disbelieve say to the believers, follow our path and we shall bear the consequences for your sins. Yet they do not or yet they will not do so. They are liars." And then verse >> go back. Go back again.
>> What am I going back?
>> Say it from the beginning. Please >> say what from the beginning.
>> Say this the ayah from the beginning.
>> Chapter 29 verse 12.
>> Yeah. Okay. to go with [clears throat] >> those who disbelieve say to the believers, "Follow our path and we shall bear the consequences for your sins. Yet they will not do so. They are liars."
And then verse 13 says, "They will bear their own burdens and others besides.
They will be questioned about their false AC assertions on the day of resurrection." How many souls are burdening the bears here or sorry are are bearing burden here?
>> One.
>> Does it say does it say only one here?
>> I will tell you why.
Okay. Go to the explanation. Just write the explanation this Quran. So write the explanation what the scholarship says in this ayah and you will understand it.
>> What do you what do I what am I supposed to understand here?
>> Just Write explaining this and you will understand it.
>> Iben kir. All right. I'm on ibir. What am I? Where am I supposed to go?
>> Okay. Really?
>> Where am I supposed to go on ibet?
Where?
>> Just the just the part.
>> There's a lot. There's a lot. There's a lot.
>> Just go to the part that you say it's it's too many burdens. I'll read it. See what you're going to say.
>> What? There's a lot that he says on it.
What do you want me to read specifically?
>> Okay, let me put it for you.
Tough zero of the ground man. Remember [snorts] Do you have the do you have the explanation or anything that will help us understand somehow?
>> So what you said this believer will carry their own sins on the judgment in addition they will carry extra sins because they misled others that that's the explanation for that.
>> Okay. How how does this explain the issue here? Because the prior verse the the verse that we read earlier chapter 35 uh verse 18 says that you will carry only your own burdens. Correct.
>> Correct.
>> Remind me of the first one.
>> Chapter 35 Chapter 35:18 says you will carry only Okay. Now, does this verse say that you will carry yours and others?
>> Yes.
>> Okay, that's a contradiction.
>> No, it's not.
>> How is that not a contradiction?
>> That's not a contradiction.
>> How is it not a contradiction?
>> That's that's an additional sin because the disl >> So he's you're just saying he's contradicting himself.
>> No.
If I said only if I said you will carry only Hold on. If if my mom told me, hey, you'll wash only your own dishes. It's just mine. Only mine. Correct.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. And then if she send if she then says, you'll wash your dishes along with the other dishes or along with your your siblings dishes, she's contradicting herself. Correct?
>> Yes.
>> Okay. So, what's the difference here?
He's saying you will carry only your burdens. And then the next one says you will carry yours and others. And you said that's a contradiction. So this right here is also a contradiction.
>> It's not in this >> why as I told you the explanation of it is >> the explanation doesn't help you understand how this is not a contradiction.
>> There's no contradiction. We say when you say the opposite of it.
>> When my mom said you'll wash only your dishes and then she says that you'll wash your dishes along with others. Is she saying something opposite?
>> Listen the opposite.
Am I Am I like am I missing something here?
>> You're not missing nothing. I I feel like I am cuz you're telling me, hey, this contradiction that I said is a contradiction earlier with the example that I gave is somehow no longer a contradiction because it's the Quran.
Does it stop being a contradiction when it when it comes to the Quran?
>> No, it's it's not a contradiction. I just say if if my here again I I'll say it one more time. Maybe it'll help you understand one more time. If I said if my mom said only you'll carry only your backpack and then she says you'll carry yours and other backpacks, does she contradict herself?
>> Nope.
So when I asked you about the the dishes example, when I said your mom says you'll wash only your dishes and then she says you'll wash your dishes along with your siblings dishes and then you said that's a contradiction.
What was the difference between those two examples >> the the here she added something on it.
[snorts] I I'm being gaslit. I'm being gaslit. I'm being gaslit.
>> Hello.
>> Hello.
>> What's up? Are you Muslim?
>> What's up? I'm Muslim. Alhamdulillah.
How are you?
>> I'm good. Are you uh can you prove Islam?
>> Okay. Is that how you start the conversation? How are you? Are you good?
>> Yeah, I said I'm good. Can you prove Islam?
>> I'm also good. I'm good as well. Thank you for asking. I don't have to I don't have to to use my own words actually. I will use what the Allah says. Allah says in the Quran clearly, if you're truthful, then bring one verse that is similar to the to to one verse in the Quran. Learn Arabic. Look, instead of sitting here and act smart and clever, learn Arabic. Open the Quran and produce one verse similar to the Quran.
>> I don't have to say anything.
Allah is challenging the whole mankind.
>> Yeah, I know. I'm saying what does it mean though? When it says when it says get a verse similar to it, what does that mean?
>> Allah is >> what is the what is the what is the criteria for how you know something is like or not like the Quran or something that's similar or not similar to the Quran.
>> Listen, you don't want to get clever.
You don't want to you are not truthful.
You don't you are not searching for >> Did you hear my question?
>> You are playing you. Your question is dumb. You don't you understand what I'm saying?
>> Did you hear my question?
>> I hear your question.
>> So then can you answer my question?
>> Yes.
>> Okay. So go ahead. What's the criteria by which you know something is similar or not similar to the Quran?
>> You use your brain. You you listen to the verse.
you you listen to the verse and then you produce >> something that sounds like that in that time in the time of when the Quran came down. Okay.
The the the Arabs in that time there was like poetry and stuff like that was on the highest. Okay. When people they heard the verses of the Quran, Arabs at that time, people they converted to ex Is Islam basically because they knew okay this the best poetries the best of the best. They could immediately hear this is not from this is not the the the word of a human being the way it is combined. Do you get me?
>> No. I don't. So what I'm So what I'm saying to you instead of sitting here, do some research, learn Arabic, and produce one single verse.
>> But what does it mean to produce something like it? What is that? What does that mean? You're not telling me what it means.
>> It means that the Quran is a miracle.
You can't produce anything similar to it.
>> When it says produce something like it, it means that you can't produce something like it.
>> Yeah, you can't because the >> Okay, bro. I I don't know what like what am I supposed to say? What am I even supposed to do with that? Like genuinely speaking, what am I supposed to do with that? Oh, what does it mean? It means the exact opposite of whatever it says.
Like what what am I supposed to do with that? What am I actually supposed to do?
Bro, what do you mean? the exact opposite of whatever it says.
I guess I guess Hello.
[sighs and gasps] Hello.
I can't I can't hear you when you're off the screen.
Hello. I can't hear you when you're off the screen.
All right. Appreciate you going up, bro.
Listen, listen, listen. Look, I'm over here, right? Yeah. Just respect other religions. It doesn't matter if you're a Christian, Muslim, or anything. At the end of the day, respect every single religion. And if you want to debate with people, debate with a scholar because some people on here are not as >> I'm guessing you're not a scholar. [ __ ] Logic just ended his live.
Logic started a whole live as I was live. That boy hate me. Hello.
>> Hello. Yeah.
>> What's up? Are you Muslim?
>> Yes, I am.
>> All right. Can you prove Islam?
>> Yeah. Um, I can prove that. Yeah. Islam is all about, you know, the the prophets all believing in one God.
They had the same message. How do you know that? How do you know that Islam is teaching that same one God as the other prophets?
>> I'm pretty sure it talks about in the Quran, Abraham, Moses, they all believed in one God. All the prophets.
>> Yeah. But I'm saying, how do you know that the like the God that's talked about in the like in Islam is the same God as those other other prophets?
>> Uh I was talking about the message. They all believe in one God. Yeah. I'm saying, how do you know the God that they believe in >> or the God that the prophets themselves believed in >> is the same God that's taught in the in Islam?
>> Uh because uh I think the word um the God Allah just means the only true God.
>> I know what it means. I'm saying how do you know the God that's talked about in Islam or in the Quran is the same God as the previous prophets? How do you know that?
Because there's only one God.
>> I agree. I'm saying how do you know that God is the actual God that the prophets believed in?
>> I'm not sure I'm understanding your question. You might have to give me an example.
>> Did like cuz I don't know how hard this is for you to understand. The prophets believed in a certain God. Correct.
>> Which prophets?
>> What prophets were you talking about?
Were you not talking about the previous prophets such as Abraham, Moses? like those people. Okay, that's the same that's the same one that I'm talking about.
>> So, >> yeah, the god that they believed in was a certain god, the true god.
>> Correct. It wasn't some false deity.
Correct?
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. How do you know the god that the Quran talks about is the actual true God, the same God that those prophets believed in? How do you know?
>> I don't know how to answer that. The only way I can answer that is that they only believe in one God.
>> So what? There's other religions in the world that also believe in one God. The Jews believe in one God. That doesn't mean that they believe in the same God that the that Islam teaches.
>> No. But as long as they believe in one God, but Islam talks about believing in one God.
>> So do you think that if I were to like worship like I don't know, maybe like a rock as my one god, do you think I believe in the same one God that you believe in?
>> No. Respectfully, I would say you need to go to the hospital if you >> Okay. Exactly. So just because you believe in one God doesn't make you or doesn't mean that you believe in the same God.
>> You have to understand the definition of what God means the only >> one. I'm saying that just because people say that they believe in one God doesn't mean that they actually believe in the one true God. So what I'm asking you to show is that the Quran teaches the same one true God as the previous prophets.
That's all I'm asking you to show.
>> Yeah. But it's in the Quran. That's the only way I can. What's in the Quran?
>> To believe in one God.
>> So what?
>> Yeah, but the example that you've given me thinking that a rock, you can break that rock into pieces. How would you think that's your creator?
>> I'm not I'm not saying it is. I'm just giving an example.
>> But that example doesn't even make any sense.
>> How does it not make what was the issue with the example? All that the example was showing is that people can believe in anything as the one God. That doesn't mean that they believe in the same one God that you believe in. Correct.
No, they Yes, actually they do. Yeah.
>> Yes, they do believe. So, if they believed in the one God as their like a stone as their one god, they still believe in >> not a stone, a god. God, you have to find find out what it means. What god?
>> If they believe that the stone is their one god, do you think that they actually believe in the one god?
>> No.
>> Okay. So, how do you know that Islam is teaching the same one God of those previous prophets? It gives you this description of what God is.
>> Okay. What what description does it give?
>> That he is the creator of the universe and the heavens. Okay.
>> He created being you. Okay.
>> And so on.
>> That's the God that all the messengers.
>> The Bible does the same thing. That doesn't mean that the bi that the Bible is teaching the same God as the Quran.
>> I'm pretty sure the Bible talks about the three in one god thing.
>> So what?
>> That's three gods. It gives the same No, that's not three gods, but it gives the same exact description as this the descriptions that you brought up earlier. Those same descriptions are in the Bible when it comes to God.
>> So if someone asked you who created the heavens and earth, you'll give me three names.
>> What? What does that have to do with what I said?
>> It means that you believe in free God.
Not one.
>> That's not even Okay, for one, that's not even correct. But for two, I'm saying the descriptions that you brought up, the descriptions are that he's the creator of everything XYZ. That's what you said, correct?
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. Now, someone else can believe in the same exact thing. That does not mean they believe in the same one God that you believe in.
[laughter] >> I think you're frustrated. You're not getting >> I am frustrated because you're not understanding what I'm saying.
I do understand what you're saying.
You're trying to ask.
>> So if you understand what I'm saying when I ask you, how do you know the Quran is teaching the same God as the previous prophets?
How why is that so hard for you to understand?
>> Like I said, you went listen and I gave you what God means in the description about God.
>> The same descriptions are the same descriptions are found in other books such as the like the books of the Jews.
>> Okay. All right. All right. That doesn't mean that that doesn't mean that the Jews believe in the same God that you believe in, does it?
>> All right, let me break it down to you.
Did Abraham believe in one unique God?
>> Yes.
>> Okay. Did Moses believe in that?
>> Yes.
>> I should elaborate when I say one and unique, no partners, no equals. Did they believe in that?
>> Yeah. That there's nothing like another being or another god. Yeah.
>> Okay.
And um do you believe in that as a Christian?
>> The same thing that Abraham and Moses Yeah.
>> Yeah. But see this is the part where he goes different. Don't you think that the the Holy Ghost I think and the father >> I don't know how this is equal.
>> I actually don't know how what I believe is relevant to what you were saying.
>> Well that's what I'm saying cuz you compared earlier to saying that it's in the Bible but I don't think that's in the Bible. the one and unique God.
>> Where where here where do you get the beliefs of Abraham and Isaac from?
Sorry, Abraham and Moses and and those prophets from where do you get those?
>> In the Quran.
>> Why should we believe what the Quran says about these people?
>> I thought the topic was to prove Islam.
>> Yeah. And that's what I'm asking you to do. Why should we believe what the Quran says about these people?
>> Because they all had the same message.
Everyone >> How do you know? How do you know what their message was?
>> Okay. All right. Moses Moses believed in the Hindu God.
>> What the [ __ ] >> It doesn't make sense what you're trying to say.
>> I'm asking you, how do you know what their message was?
>> Because it's in the Quran and even history.
>> Why should we accept what the Quran says about these people?
>> Don't accept it. But he >> I'm not saying I will or I won't. I'm saying why should we? How do we know that the Quran is actually true and what it says?
>> You just said why should we?
>> Yeah. Meaning I'm asking you how do you know the Quran is actually true?
No. See, you're changing your question now. Just >> Hey, bro. I [clears throat] I'm trying to be a little bit more gracious with the with these people that I'm talking to. It's like talking to an actual brick wall.
It's It's like talking to a brick wall.
Hello.
>> Yep.
>> What's up? Are you Muslim?
>> Yeah.
>> Can you prove Islam?
Who am I proving Islam to >> to the people that are watching this live?
I'm not they can't reply to me. Am I not proving it to you?
>> So yeah. So why why' you ask?
>> Cuz I feel like first of all you have to come to understanding like do you believe in God?
>> Yes.
>> What what do you believe about God?
>> That he's the unmoved mover. That he's the creator of all things.
Things like that.
>> That's it.
>> That he's eternal. that he has the omni properties.
>> You also believe he's tri, you know.
>> Yes. I'm I need to know what that has to do with what you were saying or what you believe in being true.
>> Before we even get to Islam, we have to prove like we do we even believe in the same God.
>> No, obviously not cuz I don't believe Islam is true.
>> So then you you'd never believe in Islam cuz Islam doesn't subscribe to a training God.
Well, obviously I'm asking you to show that the God that's picked out in Islam is true. Like the God that you believe in as a Muslim is true.
>> Okay. Um I can tell you I can prove that God has to be singular.
>> I'm not worried about that. I believe that there's a singular God.
>> You believe there's a triune God.
>> Yes. The Trinity is one God.
>> That's not singular. That's three persons >> that are the one God because they have the one being. has to be singular in every sense.
>> Says who?
>> It says uh math like the theory that >> says math.
>> Says what?
>> Says math. Did you say?
>> Uh yeah, that too.
>> What math tells you that God has to be singular in every single way?
>> Okay. Do you know about the contingency argument?
>> The contingency argument? Yes, I do.
>> And do you believe in it?
>> Do I accept it? Yeah.
And >> how does that mean that there How does that mean that >> it does because there's one being?
>> No, but it has three person.
>> Yeah. And still one being, one God.
>> Yeah, but who? What? What?
>> Are you about to Are you about to ask me questions after you told me that you're going to tell us how the Trinity does or how you know that there's supposed to be one God in every singular way poss like every singular way?
>> This is proven Islam though.
>> No, it's not. Islam. It does.
>> How does this prove Islam?
>> We both accept the uh contingency argument.
>> Okay.
>> And I'm showing you how a tri god doesn't fit into it. I I need to know how this proves Islam >> cuz it shows it has to be a god described exactly like in Islam.
>> Here, let's say, as a matter of fact, let's say um the trinity was false.
Let's say that. How does this prove Islam?
Because it Okay, first of all, it shows the god described in Islam fits into the argument that >> any god, any god can fit into that. No, >> any monotheist, any monotheistic god can fit into it as long as it's a one being or that there is this again, we already said the we already put the the trinity to the side cuz for some reason you guys don't know how to like stop arguing against it when you're asked about your religion. But I'm asking you I'm asking you >> how does this prove Islam to be true?
Yeah. So, right now we've got monotheistic rel religions. We've got Judaism and Islam that fit into this that you believe in also cuz you've thrown away the trinity. Yeah.
>> I I need you to prove Islam, bro, cuz this is like actually upsetting.
>> Okay. I've got rid of Christianity.
>> Wow. How does this prove Islam?
>> No. Okay, then I'd have to show you. I could show you uh Mhm. Mhm.
[clears throat] What what do you know about Islam?
>> What's your understanding of Islam? I've got to ask you that as well.
>> You're going to show me by asking me what I know about Islam.
>> Of course.
>> What do you want proved?
>> That Islam is true. The theology of Islam being true.
>> Yeah. But if you don't know what Islam is, how can I?
>> Who says I don't know?
>> Do you want me to explain Islam to you?
>> I don't need you to explain it. I already know any I already know things about it. That doesn't I just need you to show that it's true.
>> Okay. What things do you know about it?
It's irrelevant. I just need you to show that it's true.
>> But that's the most important thing.
>> No, I'm legitimately being trolled.
I'm I'm being trolled. I'm being trolled.
I'm being [clears throat] trolled. I'm being trolled. Hello.
>> Yo, how are you doing?
>> Doing good. Are you are you Muslim?
>> Yes, I am.
>> Can you prove Islam?
>> We can prove Islam by going all the way to the time of Abraham, Noah, Moses.
They worship one true God. And Islam is basically doing the same thing, worshiping the one true God, not some beside or two or three, four, five, just one true God. And that's how that's how it's true >> because you worship one God.
>> Yes, of course.
>> Wow. There are other monotheistic religions that do the same thing. That doesn't mean that they're true somehow, does it?
>> The way the way they believe it is basically not the same theology. So, Muslim Muslim.
>> Okay. So, then how do you know that Islam is teaching the correct belief or the belief that the people like Abraham, Moses, or those prophets had?
Well, don't you believe that Abraham and ask you're about to ask me a question right now? I am asking you.
>> No, I'm asking you like if you if you're going to say if you're going to say Abraham >> Yeah. people like Abraham, Moses, and all those other prophets, how do you know that Islam is teaching the same God that they believed in? How do you know it's not some other different God that you guys somehow believe is the one true God?
[clears throat] So, so we can look at back and they were like, don't you think that Abraham and all those >> are actually question I am showing you I'm showing you what they were doing in that time. So basically they were worshiping one true God. So in the same way Islam is basically worshiping what Abraham Moses all the way back then what they were worship worshiping the same God.
>> How do you know that?
>> So that what do you mean? How do you know that?
>> How do you know that? How do you know that? How do you know that the God that you believe in is the same one as people like Abraham, uh, Moses, David, people like them? How do you know that you're worshiping the same exact God as them?
>> Because it is written in our book.
>> Okay.
>> That we worship and one true God is the day.
>> That doesn't mean you're worshiping the same God.
>> So, bro, are you asking me like how can you prove or like can you just like like are you asking physical like a physical evidence? No, I just need you to tell me how you know you're worshiping the same God or that Islam is teaching the same God as those previous prophets. As a matter of fact, as a matter of fact, >> Hold on, hold on. As a matter of fact, hold on. As a matter of fact, >> where can I even go to know what those previous prophets believed in?
What can I look at to say, "Oh, this is what the previous prophets taught and this is what the previous prophets knew about God and believed about God. Where can I go to?"
>> Wait, can you say that again? I'll go. I was saying where can I actually go to even see what these previous prophets believed? What can I actually look at to even say oh look this is what Abraham taught or this is what Moses taught. How do I know that?
>> So are you asking specific time in the time of um >> I'm literally just asking you how can I know that these people believed like let's say like Moses. How do I know what Moses taught about God? How do I know what Moses believed? Where can I go to to see that?
Well, if you're in the town of Moses, then clearly you're going to hear his teachings. Isn't that Isn't that simple?
>> I'm asking you about us. How can we know what Moses believed? Where can we go to and see and look or read where or what exactly Moses taught about this one God?
>> I understand. So basically uh I mean we believe that we we follow the Torah basically the Torah that was revealed to Moses. So basically you can go to Quran.
Yes, it's the Torah.
>> So, we can go back to the Torah today.
>> Yes, it is revealed to Moses. So, >> so when we go back to the Torah today, >> okay, so when we go back to the Torah today and read what the Torah has to say about the beliefs of Moses when it comes to the God that he believed in when he says something like uh is God not your father who created you? Do the Muslims believe that? Does Islam believe that?
>> So, are you are you saying like the the the name of the father doesn't include Islam theology.
>> Yeah.
>> But you could say that but at the same time it's literally showing us um how literally God created us and it's just like >> not that's not that's not what I'm worried about. I'm saying when it comes to the way that Moses describes this one God that he believes in when he says is God not your father who created you?
When he says that, do you believe in that?
>> Yes, of course.
>> Okay. So, you believe Allah is your father?
>> Well, when you say that term, see the difference is you don't you don't look at it as a biology like like actually like a father like in the sense of like in sense of a family member. We look at it.
>> No one even No one is even saying that.
I'm saying you can't believe that in any way whatsoever.
>> No, no. That's that's the reason why I don't call why I don't call God a father or anything in the term of you can't call him in any metaphorical way. That's that's that's literally the problem.
>> So you can't call him a father in any way?
>> Yes, you can call him.
>> So when Moses says the father right here, is he believing in the same God that you believe in?
>> Yes, bro. And I'm sure you believe Allah is the father, >> bro. He is a father, but you don't call him a father in a term of >> Let me write that down. Hold on, >> bro. Like, you're not you're not I don't think you're hearing what I'm saying.
You don't you don't call him in a term of a like like an actual biology or like a term of family. Remember, you call him as a as a as a as a creator of a universe. So, that's >> call you can only grant him a name of Lord or God. So then when so then when Moses takes an extra step and says I'm going to call him father instead is he not in the wrong?
>> There's no problem with that.
>> So when the Quran says there is a problem with that is the Quran lying?
>> Yes. what the Quran that's why I'm telling you when the Quran teaches that Allah cannot be calling in any uh sense of way as a father or anything it's just showing you that you can't have the same attribute to Allah >> kind of when you like you say your dad or something like when you call your father a dad or something you you're basically talking to your family but Allah is not a family member he's someone that is greater than >> okay okay so So then when Moses says God is a father, he's just tripping.
>> I'm telling you, not in the same way as we think it is. So >> in what way can you [laughter] in what way in what way can you call? Hold on.
Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. In what way can you call Allah father?
>> Listen. Well, Moses, >> hold on. In what way can you call Allah father?
>> You can call him a father in sense of a creator of the universe and all powerful. knowing, but you can't call them in a sense of just a family member.
>> Where do you get that? Where do you get that from?
>> Because it is written that you >> Where do you get Where do you get that from?
>> Listen, bro. You're not You're not letting me finish.
>> I'm saying where do you get that from?
Where do you get that from?
>> Get what?
>> The fact that you can call him a father in the sense that he's a creator XYZ.
Where do you get that from?
>> I mean, don't you believe that?
>> I'm asking you. Can you show me where you get that from?
>> Listen, listen, listen. Okay.
When Moses call God a father, what term is he using that? What kind of what kind of term is he using it?
>> In the same way David uses it as a begotten son.
>> But then what is what is that? But that's not but that's not the same way as that's that's literally about I believe that's that's about Jesus.
Correct. So you can't >> be >> so you can't grant him the same way to God. So >> what bro like you're just like jumping to conclusion at this point.
>> I'm jumping to conclusions. I'm literally saying that [laughter] >> I'm saying that Moses calls him a father in the same way that David calls him a father because he has a begotten son.
>> So did Moses ever said, "God, you have begun me." Did he ever say that?
>> No, he didn't say that.
>> Exactly. So the point >> that doesn't that doesn't mean that they don't that doesn't mean that they don't believe that doesn't mean that they don't believe in the same God.
>> Oh my, bro. Like I think I'll pretty much explain it pretty much. Wait, but can I can I ask you a question though?
>> No, I don't I mean I don't I don't know what you want me to like.
>> Yeah, but I pretty much explained what Moses means when he when he's calling him a father. So, >> no.
>> And you you said that you can you said that you're Hold on. You said that you can call him a father because of XYZ.
And I'm asking you to show me that you can call him a father because of those reasons.
>> No, no. What I'm telling you is the way Moses called him a father is not the same as David cuz David is completely he's talking about completely different things. Well Moses >> do they believe in the same God?
>> Listen obviously yes they believe in the same God.
>> Okay. So then when David calls him a father and when a lot when Moses calls him a father >> those are the same things.
>> All right. All right. So when Jesus was crucified how many gods were crucified?
No. That's just a basic, >> bro. This stuff, bro. He did this on Avery. He did this on Words Live and now he here doing it on Bro. Oh my gosh.
>> That's a basic question, bro. Just >> It's not the It's not in the topic.
>> No, cuz I Bro, you were talking about Moses and all that. Now I'm just asking you no question.
>> What What does this have to do with what I'm saying?
>> Bro, you're just asking me about my religion. I'm asking about your religion. Is it not >> You haven't proved your religion like I asked. Like right here where it says prove Islam. You haven't done that.
>> Well, I already told you what Islam is about when they calling him in the saints of the father. They're not calling him in the saints of the same way as uh what you think it is.
>> I'm sorry. I'm I didn't kick him because I was like I don't It's gotten to a point where I I kind of have to move on. I apologize, bro. I know there's like a few people that have been uh asking me to stop.
>> Hello.
>> Hello.
>> What's up? Are you Muslim?
>> Yes, I am. Are you Muslim?
>> No.
>> What are you?
>> I'm a Christian.
>> Okay. Can you prove Islam?
>> Yeah, of course.
>> Can you do a verse like like the the Quran?
>> What?
>> Can you do a verse like the Quran?
>> What does that mean?
>> Can you make a verse like the Quran?
>> What does that mean?
>> That means can you do something that sounds so beautiful in a sense that people will start to cry.
I >> can I give you an example?
>> I don't I've read the Quran. I've never cried.
>> Okay, I can give you an example. Can I recite?
>> Go ahead.
[singing] Can you do something like that?
>> That didn't make me cry.
>> No, it doesn't matter. You know what matter is? When people like me when I first >> you brought >> I I was an I was an Arabic Christian.
Okay.
>> I followed Shel. I I am a Lebanese Phoenician >> to be exactly. Okay.
>> Mhm. Mhm.
>> I lived in Lebanon before I moved to America.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. When I heard the Quran first, I was like, this is a new discovery for me. Then I started crying. I was like, what is this? Then find I found out I did a research about the Quran. And since then, every time I listen to Quran, it touches my heart.
>> Why didn't it touch mine? Yes. So, I would like to to tell you now, can you do something that sounds exactly like I sounded?
>> I'm I'm sure I just want to know what it means for something to be like the Quran. That's all I want to know.
>> Something that is recited so beautiful.
>> Something that >> anything can Beethoven's writings.
>> Yeah. But writing is not the same as recitation, you know.
>> You know, he didn't just write them. He said them as well. Do you have something on YouTube like that sounds like the Quran that can get me touched?
Yeah. Can you give me an example, you know?
to do with that? Like, what am I actually supposed to do with that? Cuz what? Like, here he come back up.
>> Are you just going to run away from my question?
>> Your question was irrelevant to the topic, >> bro. I like I literally explain you many times. Just just answer my question and then you can ask me whatever you want.
So my question >> my question exceeds my question precedes yours. My question precedes yours. Can you prove Islam?
>> That's true because in the same way Abraham and all those prophets in the Old Testament preached that there's one God that is the same as Islam. Islam teaches one true God.
>> How do you know it's the same? How do you know it's the same God? Again, how do you know it's the same God?
>> Go back. I've been asking the I've been asking this question like for like like multiple time I've asked and I'm cutting you off now only because you haven't answered. I'm asking you and you show that it's the same God. As a matter of fact, is Islam in continuity with the previous scriptures?
>> Yes, it even approves it.
>> Okay. How do you know that it's actually in continuity with the previous scriptures?
>> Because talks about them.
It talks about them. How does that mean it's in continuity?
>> Dude, it talks about >> the Book of Mormon. The Book of Mormon talks about them, too. Does that mean that the Book of Mormon is somehow in continuity with the previous scriptures?
No.
>> No. When I say when I say talks about them, I'm saying is they're they're teaching on all of it. It's it's basically the same way as Islam teaches.
What David with King David and Abra with Jesus too.
>> Yes. Even Jesus Jesus.
>> So when So when Jesus And Jesus wait. Okay. Go ahead. Go. My bad. My bad. My bad. My bad. My bad. My fault.
Go ahead. You had that.
>> Listen.
>> When Jesus even when Jesus even thought about uh the one true God when he get literally showing us how is the one true God and the true God, it's literally teaching what Islam is teaching about. M >> so in the same way in the same way in the same way as Jesus and all those prophets that's literally teaching about the one true God in the same way Islam teaches that so that's how Islam is true >> okay so it's in continuity >> it is Jesus >> how so it's in continuity with Jesus right >> what >> so it's in continuity with Jesus >> yes what Jesus thought is literally what Islam is >> so when Jesus taught that he was going to die and resurrect. Is it in continuity with that?
>> No, that that part is corrupted because >> how how you know it's how you know it's corrupted.
>> Listen listen. All basically the whole New Testament is probably corrupted. But >> wait wait wait. So wait wait wait wait.
When you were saying wait hold on hold on hold on hold on hold on hold hold on.
So, when you were talking about the fact that Jesus says that there's this one God that you that one true God that you believe in or that you're supposed to believe in >> and that that was in the New Testament, correct?
>> Nope. That's not in the New Testament.
>> So, where'd you get that from?
>> But listen, listen.
>> Wait, wait, wait. Where'd you get that from? Where did you get Wait. Where did you get Where did you get it from? Where did you get it from?
>> This is what I'm saying. The New Testament where did you get that from?
>> One true God.
>> Where did you get Where did you get Where did you get Jesus saying that you have to believe in one in this one true God? Where did you get that from?
>> Oh, did he say worship worship God alone? Did you >> Where did you get that? Where did you get that from? Where did you get that from, >> bro? It is written in your book.
>> My New Testament. Whoa. The same one that you just said you didn't get it from.
>> What?
>> My New Testament. That's what you just quoted. Correct.
>> Yes.
>> So then when you say the entirety of the New Testament is corrupted, why the hell are you going to it?
>> Cuz I'm showing you what what the heck.
Cuz what are you talking about? Listen, what I'm showing you is how corrupted it is. How it's not talking about >> You're showing me it's corrupt. All right, let me >> Amen. Amen. You show You're showing me how it's corrupted by going to it and quoting it for Jesus's beliefs on the one true God, right?
>> You don't you don't believe the New Testament is all corrupted.
>> No. Hell no. I What you said is what you said what you said is that you didn't go Hold on. What you said is that you didn't go to my New Testament to show that Jesus believed in this one true God. And then right after I asked you, "Oh, where'd you get that from then?"
And then you said, "Oh, your book."
Wait, guess where in my book he says that? In the New Testament. So the same New Testament that you said you didn't get this from is where you went to to get this from.
>> So you know, even even in our book is literally talking about how Jesus is literally preaching the true God, one true God.
>> So in the same in the same essence, I can go to your book >> and literally show you what Jesus thought. But that's a whole different argument. That's what I'm saying. Your book is >> How do I know? Hold on. I'm getting I'm getting the phone call.
Oh.
Yeah, guys, you got you got to follow you got to follow Islam, guys. Okay, again, like I was saying, I'm asking you, how do you know what Jesus actually taught about this one true God? As a matter of fact, wait, as a matter of fact, as a matter of fact, as a matter of fact, cuz the whole point cuz the whole Hold on. Cuz the whole point of the conversation was to establish that the Quran has continuity with the previous revelation. So I'm asking you, can you show that Jes that the previous revelation, the previous revelation when it comes to Jesus, the previous revelation teaches that Jesus says that he's going to die and resurrect. Can you show that Islam is in continuity at that?
>> No, doesn't teach that.
>> So then it's not in continuity.
>> Bro, this is what I'm telling you.
What what you're talking about right now doesn't align with our book. That does not mean >> I know it doesn't. I know it doesn't.
I'm saying that's the issue.
>> That is the issue.
>> Okay. So, the reason why it's not it's not contained with with our book is basically it contradicts what the New Testament is talking about.
>> So, the New Testament reveals much of God 2 56.
>> But what the Old Testament is all about and what basically were given to Moses and all of it is talking about true God.
And that's why the song through because it's >> Bro, are you even listening?
>> I am. I am. I am. Continue. Continue.
>> Yes. So, basically what with the whole thing I'm No. Can I ask you a question though? [laughter] >> I have something to say on that.
>> At this point at this point is going to go in circles.
>> Well, it's only going in circles because you're making it go in circles. How am I making it? I'm I'm basically just >> because every time I ask because every time I ask you how does Islam actually establish continuity with the previous scriptures, you just say, "Oh, because it teaches it."
>> How that that doesn't tell me anything.
>> Did I not explain to you what what what actually meant?
>> No, you didn't.
>> Yes, I did. I'll talk about what what what the what the whole thing about what what the Old Testament what what Abraham and all of it thought. And and I'll tell you what aligns with the with the with the book of Is there a pre is there a previous revelation that teaches us about Jesus? Please. [sighs] >> Are you saying prophecy? Like a prophet.
>> Is there a previous revelation that teaches us about Jesus? Yes or no?
>> What book are you talking about?
>> Any book? Anything?
>> Well, your book were you booked.
>> I asked you anything, dude. I asked you anything. I didn't I didn't say my book only. I I didn't ask. I said, "Is there anything that we can go to that's a previous revelation from God or a previous revelation that teaches about Jesus?"
>> Yes, that that's that's that's your book.
>> Oh, okay. So, when my book, which is the previous revelation, teaches that the Messiah, the son or Jesus, >> wait, hold on no, no, let me finish.
Wait, you said previous? I don't understand your question. Can you can you ask a question?
Is there any previous revelation that we can actually go to to see and learn about Jesus?
>> Um, yes, of course. Uh, >> which is >> uh it is the Torah.
>> The Torah teaches about Jesus.
>> Yes.
>> Show me that. Show me. Show me that.
Show me that.
>> Wait. So, are you saying it's not prophesied? Show me that. Show me the prophet. A prophet will show me that.
>> Wait, bro. I'm telling you. So you don't believe So you don't believe when when it's prophesied that a prophet will come a prophet will come from among you as >> you believe that's Jesus.
>> Wait, don't you believe that's Jesus?
>> No, I'm saying do you believe that's Jesus?
>> Yes, that is talking about Jesus. So I'm showing you what is revealed.
>> I'm talking Okay. Again, what we're trying to establish is the beliefs and the life of Christ. Correct.
>> The life of Christ. the beliefs of Christ when it comes to him and what he believed because you said he believes in XYZ.
Correct.
>> Yes. Correct.
>> Okay. Deuteronomy 18:18 isn't telling us what he believes in. That doesn't tell us exactly what he believes in. All it's saying is that there's going to be a prophet from among you that comes out who's going to be like Moses. That's all it says. It doesn't say that he's going to believe in in in this thing, in that thing, in this in this and that. It it doesn't say that. It doesn't even talk about his life. What I'm asking you is there something that we can actually go to to see the things that Christ believed in, the things that he taught, or to even look at what he did in his life. Is there previous revelation that we can look at? Yes or no?
>> Okay. Uh no, cuz I don't know. I want to elaborate on that. First of all, you you don't know our book. Our book literally states what what the life of Jesus is.
It's making a It's making a claim about It's making a claim about Jesus. We're trying to figure out We're trying to figure what we're trying to figure it is a claim. It's saying that Jesus believed in a certain thing. That's not That doesn't mean that Jesus actually believed in that thing. What I need to know is where can we actually go to or what can I actually look at and say this is actually what Jesus believed in? What can I look at?
>> Bro, I already told you.
>> You didn't tell me anything. All you've been saying is that this is what he believed in. You didn't tell me where I can look at or what what where can I go?
>> So, are you asking me can you show me where it shows his life and basically what what he >> whatever he believed in. Yes. Whatever he believed in.
>> So, is it in the life of Tom Jesus?
>> Anything dude? Any previous revelation?
What can I look at?
>> Bro, I don't know. What are you? I don't know. Okay. What if I say no? I don't know. So then you don't know how you So then you don't know what Jesus believed in.
>> Well, and and exactly that's what I'm telling you. What Jesus believed is pretty much clear what he believed.
>> How do you know what he believed?
>> Bro, he talks about one true God. So how do you know?
>> Where do you get that from, >> bro? And our book, our book, >> the book is making the claim about Jesus.
>> Exactly. It even talks about his life.
>> The book that you believe in is the thing that's in question. the thing that we're trying to figure out if it's correct or it's actually in continuity with because you said it's in continuity in continuity with previous revelation.
Correct.
>> Okay. So your book your book your book that teach us about Jesus life and all that.
>> So then when the book when that book >> oh my god >> says that the Messiah who is Jesus is going to die and resurrect.
Are you in continuity with that?
>> Yes.
Show me that. So then, okay, >> when I say yes, I'm basically showing you what what is uh wait, what did you say? I'll go again.
>> So then when when that book that talks about the life of Jesus says that this that the Messiah, Jesus, is going to die and resurrect as a ransom for humanity.
And the Quran says, "No, that didn't happen. How is there continuity?"
Come back to the screen, please. I I can't hear you, [snorts] Elijah. Come back to the screen.
Yo, uh [sighs] uh so yeah, I'll pretty much admit it's on your book that [snorts] that is literally talking about that is >> cool. So then when my book >> says that the Messiah is going to die and resurrect as a ransom for humanity and then the Quran says no that didn't happen and that's not true. What's the continuity there?
>> First of all, no doesn't say that because what is what? Okay, let me explain this one more time, bro. When you when you're talking about Quran, it's showing you the life of Jesus, the life, the teaching of Jesus. It's not just making a claim of what he believed.
It's making a it's making a point. It's making it's making what is it's revealing to us what he thought and how his life was. So when he said he's he's only he's only uh it's only showing us what what what he actually believed in, that's not true. So the Quran is pretty much telling us and it's it's literally continually telling us. So that's how that's how you can tell the Quran is >> you know what my question was bro.
>> Yes. I'm explaining what your question is. That's how that's how that's how you can tell.
>> Wait, what was what was my question, >> bro? You tell me how could we know Jesus was uh dead and resurrected and >> No, I didn't I didn't ask you that.
That's not what I asked you.
>> Yeah, it is, bro.
Yo, so are you not just going to let me ask you a question? Like you just >> No, you haven't answered mine, >> bro. I answered your question for the past 40 minutes.
>> You haven't even been talking for 40 minutes.
>> Yeah, >> I'm about done. I'm sorry. Sorry for being putting you guys up. What's up, babe?
>> Why you so mad, bro?
>> I'm not mad. This entire live, I've been so chill. I've been so calm with these people.
>> It's not that deep, bro.
>> Huh?
>> It's just heaven and hell, bro.
>> You're right. You're right.
>> It's not that deep. No.
>> Hey, man. How's it going?
>> Good. Are you Muslim?
>> Oh, yes, sir.
>> Okay. Can you prove Islam?
>> I can try. I don't know if I'll be able to change any hearts, but I'll I'll try my best. God willing.
>> Okay, go ahead.
>> Uh, I don't know if you remember me. I was actually on live with you the other day.
>> I do not. Very bad memory.
Yeah, I was um you were talking about you had uh you told me to prove uh you told me to prove that Jesus wasn't God and then we had like a debate for a little while and but yeah anyways that's I just wanted to see if you'd remember.
>> I might not be able to but yeah go ahead.
>> All right so you want me to prove Islam basically?
Mhm.
>> It's it's truth. You mean?
>> Mhm.
>> All right. Well, firstly, I think that, >> you know, it's the basically the last revelation sent by God to man sort of too.
>> How do you know it's from God?
>> It was sent by God through the messenger, Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him. But how do you know it's from God specifically?
>> Well, it was I told you sent through sent from the uh sent by God from to the messenger and then the messenger basically relayed God's words into >> what I'm what I'm saying is how do you know it's actually from God himself?
>> I I just told you.
>> You know, all you've told me is that it's from God.
>> Yes. what I'm asking >> you give me a little bit more time I'll explain the miracles >> okay >> because there are miracles as well now let me start off by saying that I'm not a scholar as well let me I just mentioned that so forgive me if I make any sort of universal mistake or anything but um you know again like I said not a scholar just a just a teenager obviously [clears throat] you know with any religion we've seen it you know with the what's called the um with you know Moses and everything he needed to prove his uh he needed to prove that his you know his words had weight behind them. So you know the he you know God told him to put his stick you know his uh cane thing you know the stick he was carrying and just you know turn it like put it on the ground and it turned into a steak snake you know and then countless other miracles happened after that.
>> Okay. And um with Jesus, I don't really know because I personally believe that Jesus Oh, no.
No. I'm sorry. Jesus uh peace be upon him, he also had miracles.
You know, he could talk from when he was a child. He uh you know, of course, born without a mother, >> okay?
>> I mean, born without a father, I'm sorry. Um you know, just a lot of miracles.
Um >> so >> now prophet Muhammad >> Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him he >> he didn't do he didn't have any sort of you know he couldn't heal anybody he was just a man I mean these were all to me these were all men you know Moses Jesus and even the prophet Muhammad they are men you know they are not to be worshiped they are just messengers chosen by God to relay a um God's message to us all.
And um the miracles, they were a lot.
Honestly, >> I'm I'm not going to lie to you. I'm not trying to be rude or anything. By the time you by the time you like stop speaking, >> I'm going to I'm going to have like a full beard. I'm going to like I'm going to have gray hair, bro. I'm not You got to speed this up.
>> I'm sorry. I'm just trying to >> No, you're good. You're good. I promise.
>> Subject. I just want to be >> Yeah. Yeah, you know, I just want to know what your proof for Islam is.
>> Off the top of my head, I don't have >> like a crazy amount that I can think of, but >> just give whatever.
>> Well, I can tell you the most prominent one would probably be would Well, it's not miracles or anything, but it's when Islam first came, right? When the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him started speaking, right? He was speaking in like fluent poetry. Like he couldn't read or write and he started speaking like it was almost poetic the words he spoke cuz I mean he didn't know how to read or write. He came out of a cave didn't know how to read or write and he was speaking all these beautiful revelations and not revelation but these I mean there were you just you wouldn't imagine someone like him speaking it previously you know that's that's that can be considered one miracle and he went through a lot of hardship in his life in the beginning >> but do you know what a miracle Yeah, it's like a the exact definition. No, but I know what a miracle is.
>> So, a miracle could either be understood as something which only God could could have done or something which is beyond human power.
So the example you gave of an illiterate man speaking nicely is not is not something only God could have done and it's also not something beyond human power.
>> Oh just letting you know we can't hear you when you go off the screen.
>> Oh I'm sorry.
>> Very good.
>> I'm sorry about that. Uh yeah I was saying you couldn't read or write. I mean, he was in a cave for two weeks. I mean, he didn't have >> Could he hear? Could he talk?
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah, of course he could talk, but he couldn't read or write, man. It's >> okay.
>> It's It's It's he how can he speak? He could How could he come down from that cave to the village [snorts] and start speaking these these words? I don't know exactly what he said, but I >> I realized you learned how to speak before you learn how to read, right?
>> I understood, but he didn't learn how to read or or or >> you don't need to learn how to read to know how to speak.
>> That's the point. It's just >> you can still speak things even if you don't know how to read.
>> Okay. If that doesn't convince you, then I have many others if you give me just a minute to pull them up. Just like just like 10 10 seconds.
>> Okay.
Sorry, I'm not super great memory wise and I'll be honest with you, man. I'm not the craziest. I'm not the craziest.
Um, I mean, I'm not the best.
>> You're not a scholar.
>> There are way more knowledgeable people than me. Like, I'm telling you, >> you're good. Don't worry.
>> But people are going to get at us for not speaking of scholars. We're just like PhD level, [laughter] >> 10 years in college, >> 10 years in the greatest university to ever exist. that they're going to get upset at us for not ever.
>> And um and even like you know Islam, you know, it teaches us that we're all brothers at the end of the day. You know what I'm saying? Like regardless of religion or race.
>> I don't know if I can accept my brothers if y'all if y'all demeaning my God, bro.
>> No, we we we don't I mean we we of course we [laughter] >> get them.
>> We don't we don't demean him. All right.
We respect we love we believe in the we believe in Christ but not as God. It's whatever. You can just >> Yeah, you can just get whatever you're getting.
>> I got you.
>> Yeah.
>> So, you want like straight miracles?
>> Yeah. Just show us miracle. That's all they were asked. Well, the greatest and most important miracle is definitely the Quran itself, right?
>> What makes it a miracle?
>> Because it's, you know, the author technically is Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, right?
>> But what makes it a miracle?
>> In the It's from God.
>> How do you know that, >> bro?
>> Like you said, it's a prophet. He's a prophet.
>> Everything is a miracle, bro.
Well, in the book, there are in the the Quran, it has inc like a lot of it's just one book, but the pages are incredibly powerful. Like, I'm talking like like near honestly perfect like the it's the final revelation sent to mankind through the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. And I believe that it's the most important miracle. But there are others too, like the there was the time of >> I'm not going to lie. I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. He doesn't seem to I'm not even trying to be rude or anything. He just doesn't seem to know what he's trying to say.
I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. Hello.
>> Wow. He ran. He ran. Clip it. Clip it, guys. Hello. He ran.
>> Hello. Could you hear me?
>> Yeah, I can. Are you Muslim?
>> Yeah, I'm Muslim.
>> Okay. What's up? Uh, can you prove Islam?
>> Yeah, sure. Um, basically, you see, um, >> Prophet Muhammad. Yeah.
>> How you know his prophet?
>> 1400 years ago. 1400 years ago.
>> Mhm.
>> He never knew how to read or write. M >> and he talked about the earth's magnetic magnetic field.
>> How did he know that?
>> You know, you know, I'm I'm going to I'm going to I'm going to say something.
Yeah.
>> Could you repeat that, my guy?
>> You know the Quran? Yeah. It's a scientific book as well.
>> Oh, >> it talks about it talks about the human body that 1400 years ago, human beings didn't even know. I didn't even even talk to >> Wait, if I if I show you a scientific error in the Quran, is this is it still from God, >> bro? Let me finish speaking. Yeah, let me finish speaking.
>> You said it's a scientific book.
>> Yeah, it's also a scientific book.
>> So, can God make mistakes?
>> No, he can't.
>> So, why did he make a mistake in the Quran on science?
>> Could you give me the verse?
>> Yeah.
>> Go on, give me the verse.
So in the Quran he says he also speaks about the universe like in clear details.
It talks about nebula the star explode you know what color it turns like how does 1400 years ago how does people like how how can someone know about that and the mar go to surah 5149.
Hey, I got you again. If they ask me to donate one more time, I'm not doing all that.
>> Yeah, why are they doing that, >> bro?
It says, "And we created pairs of all things so that you people might take note."
>> Yeah. Could you go to the tips?
>> Yeah. Iban Cathe or >> uh Iban Cathe is fine.
>> Okay. Where do you want me to go?
>> Uh where it talks about pairs >> that he created pairs of all things.
>> Okay.
>> So it says >> yeah you can read it.
>> It says and of and of everything we have created pairs. Meaning all the created are in pairs. The heaven, the earth, the night and day. Yeah. Uh what was it?
5149.
Yes.
>> Yeah. It says uh meaning all the created are in pairs. The heaven and earth, night and day, sun, moon, land and sea, light and darkness, faith and disbelief, um death and life, misery and happiness, paradise and fire in addition to the animals and plants. The statement of Allah is ex uh the exalted.
>> What's wrong with that verse?
So did Allah create what does it mean for Allah to create pairs of all the animals >> or of all the animals?
>> Yeah.
>> What do you mean? Like what's wrong with that verse though? So when he says that we created pairs in pairs though God created everything do you know what you know you you know what yeah like you Christian people >> you know he asked you a you know he asked you a question right >> but I want to I want to explain this you know what >> can you answer his can you answer his question >> yeah tell me tell me go on >> so when it says that he created even the animals in pairs what does that mean >> he created the animals in pairs is >> can't hear you when you go off the screen.
>> All right. Sora 51 >> and 49. Yeah.
>> Yes.
>> Yes.
>> All right. Just give me a second. Yeah, I can still hear you. Just >> you tell us what that mean. Abe, what it mean for God to create animals in Paris?
Well, to my knowledge, it's talking about how he's created he created male and female for all animals.
>> You got to love light. He's stern. I'm not the heck.
What you mean I'm stern? I'm I'm not.
I'm like, wait, hold on.
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>> [snorts] >> It didn't say that. That's how serious is it?
Yes, you are. Mm- I'm tired.
[snorts] >> Yeah, I think he um he means I'm not a scholar or anything, but I think cuz um he means male and female in pairs.
>> Oh, okay. So then all animals have a male and female.
>> I think so. I don't because because I don't want to get it wrong or anything.
I mean, that's what it means.
>> I think so. That's what That's what he means. Male and female.
>> Okay, [snorts] cool. So then Allah didn't know that not all animals have a male and female counterpart.
>> What does that mean?
>> That if the verse is saying if the verse is saying that we created all animals with male and female counterparts, then it's wrong.
>> How is that wrong though? Because there's animals that [laughter] don't have a counterpart when it comes to their >> But but I told you that I don't know that. I don't I don't want to get it wrong. I'm not sure what he means by that. [laughter] >> I mean, I guess.
>> But I told you I told Didn't I tell you that I don't know what it means by that?
>> You just said that. That's what it meant.
>> Yeah.
I don't know what it means by that.
[clears throat] >> But I said I don't know what it means by that. I don't want to get it wrong.
Didn't I say that?
>> I guess, bro. I guess. I mean, since you don't know since you don't know this one, >> but what's wrong with that verse?
>> You don't know how to respond to the question, >> right? He pointed out the issue and you didn't know how to respond to it. Now, >> everything is created in pairs though in the world.
>> Not every animal, >> bro. You know what? You Christians, you got common sense with everything else.
But when it comes to religion, you don't have common sense.
>> But you admit this is >> But anything else, you got common sense.
But you don't when it comes to these things here, you don't even have no >> promises. I I also have like a scientific issue with the Quran if you want.
>> Go and tell me.
>> Um here uh where your sperm come from.
>> Uh this one.
>> Yeah. Where does your sperm come from?
>> Balls. Test >> your balls. Does it come from anywhere else?
>> No.
>> Oh, okay.
>> I know. I know. I I know. I know what I know this one. I know this one.
>> So when the Quran in chapter 86 5-7 it says that sperm comes from the backbone.
>> But you said it comes from >> but you said it comes from your bowels.
>> Amazing. It means give me that verse.
Give me pull that verse.
>> 5-7. It says men should reflect on what he has he was created from. He was creating from a spurting fluid that emerges between the backbone and the breast bone >> or the rib cage.
>> Exactly. Now go to the scroll up.
>> Where am I? Where am I scrolling up to?
>> Yeah. Look where it says men should what?
>> Men should reflect.
>> Reflect on what he was created from.
Yeah.
>> Mhm.
>> Ben should reflect on what he was created from. And go down.
>> Mhm. Mhm.
>> Go down.
>> Mhm. [clears throat] >> Go down more.
>> Mhm.
>> He emerges from between the backbone and the breast.
>> So how how did your mother give you birth?
She she you emerged from the backbone and the breast.
>> Didn't you emerge from the backbone and the breast?
>> It's not talking about sperm.
>> So what is it talking about?
>> It's talking about sperm.
>> Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. When it says he was created from a spurting fluid, what's the spurting fluid?
>> What does that mean? You guys don't have >> What's the spurting fluid here? What's the spurting fluid here?
>> Okay, I'm going to explain.
>> What is it? What? What's the spurting fluid? That's all I want to know. What is it? Sperm. Sperm.
>> Sperm. Does your Where does your sperm come from again?
>> Bolds.
>> That then he emerges from between the backbone and the breast bone or it's just rip.
>> Relax. Relax. Relax. Relax.
>> It's just ribs Arabic.
>> Okay. Relax, relax, relax, relax. All right. Scroll up again. I'm going to break it down for you. Yeah.
>> Man should reflect on what he was created from.
>> Mhm.
>> All right.
>> Mhm. He is created from a sperm spurting fluid >> and then >> he emerges.
>> The doesn't say that. The Arabic doesn't say that. Just letting you know that >> there's no there's no then he emerges.
>> Okay.
>> The Arabic just says the Arabic just says that the Arabic >> Oh, you got they got different Qurans.
>> They do. Amen. Amen. Wait here. Here.
Let's I want to read the Arabic just to make sure that that's what what you're saying. I want to read the Arabic just to make sure. I want to read I want to read the Arabic just to make sure what you're saying is correct. Okay.
>> Where do babies come from?
>> Stop talking please. So I can actually like so I can read the Arabic.
>> They come from the backbone of >> Can I read the Arabic or no?
>> Woman push you.
>> Can I read the Arabic or no?
>> Can I read the Arabic or no?
>> Go tell. Oh my god.
>> So can I read the Arabic or no?
>> Go and tell me. Tell me.
>> Okay. So the Arabic is right here and it gives you a word for word translation.
So let's see man from what he has created. Alhamdulillah.
>> He is created from water ejected >> coming forth. So it doesn't say then he emerges in the in the Arabic. It just says this thing comes forth from something coming forth from between the backbone and the ribs.
>> Subhan Allah.
>> So does that spurting fluid come forth from your backbone and your ribs?
>> Bro, if I explain this to a 5-year-old >> yes or no. It's a yes or no.
[laughter] If I explain this to a 5-year-old, they'd understand.
>> I don't I don't I'm not hearing a yes or a no.
>> I think even 5-year-olds know that sperm doesn't come from a woman.
>> That's the way saying though. It says the baby. Hey, >> where's the word baby in there?
>> Oh my god. The baby. It means a man should Okay, I'm going to break it down for you again. Yeah.
>> A man should know when >> Can you show us it in the verse?
>> Yeah. Yeah. Go again. Go again. So just let us know when it mentions the word in Arabic.
>> All right.
>> Man should know what he is created from.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. Okay. So it's talking about what he's created from, right?
>> Yep.
>> Sperm.
>> So the spurting fluid.
>> From a spurting fluid. And then >> he emerges the Can you let us know, >> bro?
>> Cuz the Arabic doesn't say and then.
>> You guys are be bro.
>> I'm sorry. I don't see where the Arabic says and then.
>> You know how to read Arabic. And then >> where does it say and then in the Arabic?
>> And the man emerges coming.
>> Where does it say and then in the Arabic?
>> Bro, can you move a little bit um to the left? I can't see the uh the >> the verse. Move it a little bit.
>> It's right here. It's literally right here.
>> It's right here.
>> Um >> I don't know how to read uh Arabic. I forgot. I I learned when I was like really young.
>> It gives you the word for word translation.
>> I read I read the Quran in an English translation.
which English translation you read the Quran in. You know, alhamdulillah, bro.
Bro, can you just go to the left? I don't know. You guys are making things bad.
>> I know y'all had different versions.
>> You're not sincere. You're not being sincere. You're making >> I'm not being sincere. I'm making I'm making things up.
>> Yeah, you look, let me translation doesn't match what the text says.
>> I'm going to The translation adds words to the Arabic cuz it knows it's wrong.
>> Listen. Okay, listen. Here. As a matter of fact, here we're splitting fluid.
>> Uhhuh.
>> Yeah. And the go down >> stemming from the man, the child stemming from >> I'm sorry. Wait, wait, wait. This Wait, wait, wait. This guy's like, "Wait, [laughter] >> he's active. Wait, wait. He's actively changing. He's actively changing what the He's actively he's actively changing what the Quran says.
>> Read it again. Read it. Wait. Read it again. Read it again.
All right. Okay. Okay.
>> Read it again.
>> Let me just relax for a little bit.
>> Okay.
>> Okay. So, look. Scroll up a little bit.
>> Okay.
>> Let me repeat myself again.
>> Go ahead.
[gasps] >> Let people then consider what they were created from.
>> Okay.
>> Okay.
They were created from a spering fluid.
Sperm. Yeah.
>> Mhm.
And then how did you come out of how do you come out of the woman?
>> Where does it say anything about coming out of the woman?
>> How how do human beings come out of woman?
>> Where does it say anything about woman coming out of a woman here?
>> Stemming from between the backbone and the rib cage. That's look >> where's the woman mentioned though.
>> Bro, these people are bit dumb, bro. I swear these Christians >> where does it where does it talk about the woman here?
>> Look, go up. Go up again. Where does it talk about the women stages? It's talking about the stages of how it gives birth.
>> Oh.
>> Oh my damn.
>> It's talking about the stages of how you're giving birth. Amen.
>> Go up again. Amen. I didn't know ejaculation was a stage of pregnancy, man.
>> Amen. Amen. Do the taps even say what you say?
>> Wait, do the do the taps say what you say or no?
>> Bro, everyone knows that all the Muslims in the world know about this verse, man.
Clear. Clearly you don't cuz you were actively changing what the verse said.
>> How did I change it?
>> What?
>> I'm explaining cuz I had to break it down for you because you guys are dumb.
>> Oh, right.
>> That's how I It's like I'm >> Didn't we ask you about your Quran verse and you said you didn't know what it meant?
>> But but you know um basically >> Wait, can we read what Iben Kadir says here?
>> I read the Quran in English though.
>> Wait, can we can we read it?
>> It's more better for me to understand it. Wait, can we read Wait, can we read what the taps says right here? I'm sorry. Hold on. Wait. I want to read Wait, I want to read what the taps says.
Actually, >> it's not compulsory.
>> I want to read what the taps says. I want to read what the Tusier says. Okay.
It says, "He is created from water gushing forth, meaning the sexual fluid that comes out bursting forth from the man and the woman. Thus, >> skip skip that, bro. You're going to give me a headache, bro."
>> What you mean skip?
>> Skip that. I already explained it 10 times to you and you you're >> Oh, skip Oh, skip one of your scholars.
Okay. No. Bump one of the bump one of your scholars. Amen. Amen. Skip one of your scholars.
>> Skip that topic. Skip that topic, man.
>> Skip that topic. Skip the top. I got issues with this topic.
>> Explain it 10 times to you.
>> No, you haven't.
>> But [ __ ] this guy is being dumb. [laughter] This guy is dumb, man. [laughter] >> [gasps] >> You the Yo, I want to ask you something.
Yeah, I want to say something. Yeah.
[snorts] >> Hello.
>> Might just be the most harded stuff I've I've actually had to go up against.
Hello.
>> Yes, I'm a Muslim. I know you're a Christian.
>> All right. Can you prove Islam?
>> Yes, I can. Of course, I can. Okay.
>> Why y'all be lying on here, bro? It's unprovoked.
What do you mean?
Okay. So, I can prove it by saying that Muhammad was uh described in your Bible by name.
>> Name?
>> By name.
>> That That'd be interesting. Wait, you're telling me the prophet is the only man named Muhammad in the whole world?
>> Oh, wow. Wow. Oh, you're so smart. Let me tell you something. Yo, I could show you like I could show you where I was prophesied in the Bible by name >> because Oh. Oh, hold on. Cuz your name is Abraham and Abraham is talked about in my >> Oh, wow.
>> How did I not know? How can how?
>> Wow.
>> And I can show you where Joseph Smith, you know, Joseph Smith is Jesus dash.
>> Okay. Can I come to the point?
>> So light. I don't know your name. Light, I don't know your name. Okay, let's do this. What does im mean in Hebrew?
>> What?
>> It's a plural.
>> Uh, you can say Elohim. [clears throat] >> It's like a plural of things or like a plural.
>> So, as someone who knows a little bit of Hebrew, it means someone who is important like Elohim.
>> Oh, it just means a plural of something.
>> No, man. Elo, it's also a plural.
>> The at the end of a the at the end of a word in Hebrew is a plural.
>> Okay. Can we go go to the point?
>> A Hebrew expert. Something you should have known.
>> The song of Solommer.
>> Yes. Do you dare do that?
>> I would dare do that. I would dare do that.
>> You're going to chapter 5. You're going to verse 16.
>> 16.
>> Hey, you called it out like a true prophet >> because my name's in the Bible.
>> Amen.
>> I'm not I'm not ready for this, guys.
I'm not ready for this.
>> I'm not ready. Put it on the screen so the people can see.
>> I'm not ready for this. I'm not ready.
I'm not ready.
>> I'm not ready for this. I'm not ready for this. I'm not ready for I've never heard of this before, guys. I've never heard of this.
>> Okay.
>> His mouth is most sweet.
>> No, no, no, no, no. You need to go. You need to Sorry, man, for interrupting.
>> I'm sorry. I was reading the verse.
>> Yeah, I know. Can I finish reading the verse?
>> English. You're reading in English.
>> Can I finish reading the verse?
>> Yes. Go on, man.
>> Thank you. His mouth is most sweet and he is altogether desirable. This is my beloved and this is my friend, oh daughters of Jerusalem. Okay.
>> Okay. Go to the Hebrew language.
>> Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.
>> Yeah. Put it in the Hebrew language.
>> Okay. Okay. The Hebrew. The Hebrew.
Okay. Okay.
>> Hebrew language.
>> Okay. [sighs and gasps] >> Okay. What does this say? I can I can read it. I can.
>> His mouth is most sweet. And yes, he is altogether lovely. This is my beloved.
And this is my friend, daughters of Jerusalem.
>> You're still reading. Go so I can read it in Hebrew. I know. Okay.
>> Okay. Okay.
>> Okay. As I know Hebrew.
Yes. So >> in Hebrew does mean >> Where did you get that from? Wait, wait, wait. Where'd you get that from?
I because if you look you can also look at scholars >> you know Hebrew scholars they say the same thing.
>> What scholars are saying that this is mom?
>> Can you name a Hebrew scholar?
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Yes. Arabi.
Uh I was talking about Kazan Dulumo. Do you know that guy?
>> Where does he where does he say >> you could also look up Rabbi Kurami.
He's also very I hate him as a Zionist, but that's another thing.
>> He also said it.
>> Rabbi who?
>> Yeah, [snorts] but where does he say this?
>> Yeah, I want to read it.
>> You can go to a video on YouTube is up.
He has a long speech about a twoour speech.
>> Where do you want me to go here? Hold on. Let me let me get it up real quick.
Hold on.
>> Rabbi who?
>> No problem. No problem. Go to just search >> just just search on YouTube Song of Solomon verse 16 rabbi you will get him.
>> So to be clear you're saying that the verse is supposed to say his mouth is most sweet and he is altogether Muhammad. Yeah, we all know that your Bible is how to say it >> what the Bible got to do >> exchanged with the exchanged with the words >> of >> Oh, okay. And wait, how do you know this is and let's let's just grant the fact that this says a name. So, how do you know it's the Muhammad that that you believe in?
>> Go down. Go down.
More. More. More.
>> Answer his question while you do that.
>> Okay. I can say if I see him.
If you you will see him, but uh it will >> Yeah. So even if it was a name, how do you know it's the Muhammad you believe in?
>> Yeah. Because it's talking in that if you look at the context of the Song of Solomon, it's talking about the prophet that would come.
>> It's Oh, it's talking about >> I must I I must have skipped the part where there was a prophecy in here.
>> Do you know Do you know what Becca is?
>> I must I must have missed the prophecy here cuz I don't remember a prophecy in this.
>> Hold on. Your heart is rising. Do you know what Becca is in the Bible?
>> Yeah. So, you said the the context of Solomon is a prophet coming, right?
>> Answer my question. What is Becca in the Quran? Cuz you asked me, "How do I know it's Muhammad is talking about?" What is Becca in the Quran?
>> In the Bible, sorry.
>> I don't recall the word Becca in the Bible.
>> You don't recall it because you don't know the whole Bible. That's That's the be.
>> Yes. Yes.
>> I don't know the whole Bible.
>> Here, help us. Wait, help me understand >> here. Hold on. I want to know where the I just want to know where the prophecy is.
>> Yeah. So, can you tell us what verse mentions the prophet?
>> Yeah.
>> What if you look at the context of Song of Solomon?
>> I have the context.
>> So, what So, what verse? Yeah.
>> Which verse specifically is giving Song of Solomon? You look at whole the whole >> Can you Okay, let me just rephrase my question. Can you prove that Song of Solomon is talking about a prophet? Go ahead.
>> Yes. Yes. Absolutely. Go ahead and do that.
>> Because it's talking about uh Becca. Do you know what Beck is?
>> I'm waiting for you to prove that it's talking about >> I'm I'm giving you I'm giving you uh a chance to to answer that. Do you know what?
>> Didn't I already told you? I've never heard of that word in the Bible.
>> You never heard of that? Then you need to do your research.
>> Are you going to prove that it's talking about a prophet or not?
>> Yes, because >> then do it. Then do it.
>> Yes, because I will do it. Becca to >> go to a verse. I want you to go to a verse. I don't want you to talk. Just go to a verse.
>> You don't want me to talk.
>> You said he said go to a He said go to a verse.
>> Oh my [snorts] god.
>> You said the context You said the context provides us reasons or the context is what's going to tell us that this is a prophecy. Correct?
>> Yes.
>> Okay. So, what context or what verse did you read that gives you this idea that it's a prophecy somehow? It's a prophecy because in this Song of Solomon it's talking I cannot give it inside of my head right now. I need to >> whenever you're ready and whenever you have the verse you need to come back.
>> I don't like what bro.
[snorts] >> Hello.
>> Hello.
>> Hello. What's up? What's up? Oh, you're a muscle.
>> You're a muscle.
>> Yeah. Can you prove his line?
>> Yeah.
>> Go ahead.
Go ahead.
>> Oh, okay.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> That's it.
>> He's like, "Yeah, I mean, what am I supposed to do with that?" Like, "Amen, bro. What am I supposed to do? Hello.
>> Hey, man.
>> What's up? Are you Muslim?
>> I was. Yes, sir. Yes.
>> Oh, you were Oh, were you already up here?
>> Yeah, but wait. I want to apologize >> for what?
>> I I I was wrong to try and prove Islam because I'll be honest with you, man. I I don't really know how. I'm not a scholar or I'm I'm I'm hardly read 10 pages of the Quran, but I think I can still try and prove it in my own sort of way. Or I can at least answer some questions that you had like with that Ibrahim guy. You had a question about You had a question about that um verse 57 865 865 in the Quran. I can at least answer that among other >> uh the one where it talks about the spurting fluid.
>> Yeah. Yes, sir.
>> Okay.
>> Have you read the footnote?
>> I've not I think that's what you're looking for.
the >> I'm I'm not particularly like looking for the footnote.
>> Well, it explains if things might be confusing.
>> It explains in a sentence or two.
>> I'm wondering I'm wondering what it what it's explaining specifically cuz the verse just says that there's >> uh that >> could you pull it up? Um not on the website right now. I'm sorry.
>> It says >> what verse is he talking about? 865 says, "Let people consider uh let people then consider what they were created from. They were created from spurting fluid or sperm stemming from between the backbone and the rib cage.
>> Read the footnote."
>> What footnote?
>> On 867.
>> 86. Okay.
>> You see the little one which >> to the right?
>> The little This one?
>> I I can't see it.
Are you talking about?
>> Yes, that one right there. I believe that has your answer.
>> Okay.
>> Test and ovaries are formed in the abdomen above the fetus during the first weeks of pregnancy before before descending to their permanent place in the pelvis. Both are sustained by arteries originating between the backbone and the rib cage.
The Quran doesn't this verse doesn't specifically say you know what point in their life you know the spreading fluid comes from but it does mention >> it stems from there.
>> Yes.
>> Which is incorrect.
>> Well it starts there. It starts developing there. It doesn't it doesn't send there.
>> Before descending to their opponent place in the pelvis.
>> There in the pelvis. No, I'm here. Do you want do you want me to show you like where it actually stems from?
>> Uh, yeah. As a matter of >> I'm not a doctor or anything. I I'm just, you know, I'm answering to the best of my ability.
>> I mean, you can literally just like even like a quick Google search will help you understand. It doesn't stem from there.
>> So, where does it stem? Is it not the pelvis?
>> I think we both know where it stems from.
Me and you both know where he comes from.
The pelvis >> your balls.
>> Yes, that's part of your not your backbone.
>> It's As you can here, look it up real quick.
>> Just look that up real quick and see what it's all the pelvis.
>> No, no, no. Just look up. Does it stem from there?
I think it should give you like a just happened to my chat.
Origin of sperm in pelvic region.
Yes, it says that they are not produced directly inside the pelvis. In in humans, the primary site of sperm production is the tests which are located outside the main body cavity in the scrotum.
I have no clue what a scrotum is, man.
I'm not going to lie. Uh tests, I guess, are your balls, I guess.
>> That's your butthole. [laughter] >> Um but it does look like it's in the pelvic region.
>> No. Well, yeah, obviously, but it's your nuts specifically, not your >> bone. Oh, yeah, of course.
>> Or your rib cage.
>> Well, it's it starts there as a fetus.
It doesn't when you're developing. Do you is there anything that you have like any literature that says that >> either I'm unfamiliar >> or >> well I'm not exactly a you know a doctor or phys or >> I mean I would at least like is there any kind of literature that you've read or anything that we can read at all that says that >> the footnote on the website >> that's what the footnote of the website is saying I'm saying is there actual literature that we can read >> you want me to find literature to read like >> when I Yeah.
>> You mean like a a book about the body or something or literature about the body about the >> region? Anything? Yeah. Anything like uh I I don't know how much like how much more I can dumb it down. Any kind of literature that says what you say.
>> Well, I don't have paper or anything like that.
>> No, I'm I'm just going off what this website says. I assume they're it's the same universal knowledge that they're getting from any any website. But that's just what I wanted to show you about your question.
>> Oh, can I can I add in he's a is not wrong in early fetal development that the testes are adjacent to the kidney.
But the problem with that interpretation besides from the fact it's clearly wrong. The thing is the verse says which means upper rib. Even if you go to the top series, they specifically say this is the area where a girl puts her necklace on. So it would so it be talking about something right below your collar bones. So it would still be incorrect even if we're granting it's about a fetal uh a fetus coming from there because a fetus comes from something adjacent to the kidney which would be closer to your lower ones. But Talib denotes a place where a woman puts her necklace which would be way up a rib that's dang near your neck.
>> Really?
>> Yeah, I can I can Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Well, I mean I don't I don't I don't I don't think you're wrong. I think it's I I didn't know this. I'll be honest, but I would depending on the interpretation cuz many scholars have interpreted this.
This is just the best one they found that aligns with, you know, Arabic and the English language. U but depending on the interpretation, yeah, I can see how you how you would think that.
>> But this is just what I've seen based off the main interpretation of the Quran.
>> Main by who?
Are are you refing the footnote that you showed earlier?
>> Yes. Yeah. Uh, well, no, I'm talking about the you you were I'm talking about the translation between 867 and >> yeah, >> I'm talking the interpretation of 867 whichever [clears throat] Yeah, I'm asking interpretation by you saying this was the main interpretation that >> I assume it is cuz it's the main one that comes up when you go on the website. So, I'd naturally assume that it's the main interpretation. But even but but even even when you go top sears and you go to any classical top seer they all believe that firstly discussion fluid comes from both the man and the woman. That's why when it says between the backbone and the ribs a lot of scholars said this is between both the man and the woman. It's the woman's ribs that it comes out of and the man's backbone which is uh or if you pronounce it specifically in Africi which specifically means backbone. All lexicons when you look that up it will say backbone. It was specific. Some may specifically say spine but uh but most just say a backbone or a vertebrae.
>> Ah okay.
>> Yeah that yeah it's really common even if you go to like hadith like uh we see where it talk about the word in hadith where it says he comes from my it's referring to the backbone. So it seems that the Quran and the hadiths have a have a consistent message that where people come from or where your descendants come from is from the sub which def which definitionally which I can give I could give 12 lexicons for that all say it's a backbone. It's a vertebrae.
>> Okay. Well >> yeah thank you. Um yeah no problem.
>> I didn't know this beforehand. I'm going to take your word but >> I mean I can I can I could get like I can send to you and you think could you show it up or do you feel like doing that?
Uh, you want to send it now or later?
>> I'm asking light.
>> What? [laughter] >> What' you say? What' you say? What' you say?
>> Yeah. Okay. I'mma I'm going to send you a few lectionary dis uh uh lexicons on the word use just so you can show it to a really quick.
>> Loves these lexicons. Like put them down, [laughter] bro.
>> Put them down.
>> I do not laugh like that, bro.
[laughter] >> Yeah. All right, I'mma send it to you real quick, bro.
>> Uh, actually, is it cool if both of you um like both of you follow each other >> so that I can talk to a different guest for now?
>> Yeah. All right.
>> Uh, uh, I had a little bit more I wanted to say if that's all right.
>> Okay. Here, follow him and you follow him. Um, and then after the live, after me and you talk for a little bit, uh, you can just talk to him about the stuff.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah, sure. Just uh I I followed you, Wall-E. Yeah, I just follow you back.
Yeah. All right. Also, my laugh is goated. Abraham, you were hating. You hating, bro.
>> I [snorts] didn't even say I was mocking your life. That's the crazy part.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Um, >> what's Yeah.
>> Yeah. Um, >> what you want to ask me?
>> So, I'll be honest, man.
I cannot guarantee that I can prove Islam to you in your eyes. All right.
Even if I showed you like a mountain of miracles, there's still no guarantee that you would accept them.
>> Well, it's not necessary.
>> You cannot show us a mountain of miracles, bro.
>> I know I said if I show >> It's not even It's not even necessarily that like, you know, I won't accept it or anything like that, but I'm just saying is there like actual like something that you can show or or say that actually like proves [snorts] Islam to be true. given the time resources >> cuz I'd have no reason to reject it if it's true.
>> Yeah, of course. Um, you know, hear it out and u make your own discretion uh make your own, you know, decision.
>> He's been discerning Islam for like 3 years now. So, >> yeah, but u that's the other thing I wanted to talk about. I don't I mean, our lives are really short, man. I mean, just like speaking outside of religion, our lives are really short. Like >> that's exactly You should come to Christ, bro.
>> Amen.
>> Yes. But I could say the same thing about I've seen I've seen uh Christianity. I swear to God, I'd be Christian right now if I didn't to me cuz I think that to me, right, I believe that it was corrupted. And that's it's just my opinion, my humble opinion.
>> Everybody be saying it's corrupted, but can't be can't show how it's corrupted or not.
That's what everybody says. I mean respectfully I I don't really want to get into how it's corrupted that I think that's >> because that's what you just been talking >> be too timeconuming and you said that you were >> that is that is seriously what this just the stuff that you hear from people that's not actually like shown to be the case. It's not shown to be true.
>> I mean I've like I said I'm I'm not going to get into it because it's it's a lot of moving parts. It's a very it's, you know, it's this is a thousand years thing. You know what I'm saying? It's huge. But yeah. Um >> Well, I mean, there's no point talking about it. We're not going to get into it, bro. Like, >> well, I'm here to prove Islam. I'm not here to >> Yeah. What what what would prove Islam?
What actually proves Islam? Like to you, what's actually the thing that proves Islam?
>> Well, the Quran.
>> What about the Quran?
>> I believe it's something by God.
>> How do you know? I was, [sighs] >> like I said, I I need time and resources to correctly prove to you, but I believe it's from God. Just that staggering amount of evidence I've seen.
>> I believe that I believe that Christianity is from God. That doesn't mean I'm like, >> doesn't mean anything. Just because I believe it doesn't mean that it's true.
I have to actually show you >> once you Yes. But >> I can't accurately prove it. You need to read the Quran yourself.
>> You said you're here to prove it. In all seriousness, you need to really just Can I go back to the thing I was talking about just a minute ago about outside of religion thing?
>> The thing that you said just hold on.
The thing that you said is that you're here to prove this thing.
>> Well, to the best of my ability, yes, I would try my best.
>> But you're saying that you I cannot I cannot accurately do it cuz I'm not a scholar. You're asking kids >> But we're not asking you anything. You volunteered for this.
>> No, you're ask You're coming on here and asking people request. Well, not sort of requesting, but kids are requesting you.
I mean, you don't ask, man. Come on.
Kids are requesting you. They are not the best people to talk to, you know? I mean, if you really wanted an answer, you go to >> We don't need an answer. We know Islam is false. We want to show you.
>> We really wanted an answer. If you really wanted an answer to your question about how Islam is false, you'd go to someone way more knowledgeable.
>> We don't need an answer. We know. We have an answer to that.
>> I'm sorry, dude. Like I don't I don't know why it's I'm not even trying to be mean or rude or anything like that, but I'm so sorry, >> bro. We just trying to show y'all that y'all got no reason to believe this stuff, bro.
>> Amen.
>> We actually give y'all reasons to be Christian.
>> Amen. Amen. Amen.
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Uh, what's your name? Dubai Living.
What's up?
>> Hey. I'm good. How are you?
>> I'm good. Good. Good. Uh, are you Muslim? Are you hearing me well?
>> Yeah. Is my microphone? Fine.
>> Yes, it is. Are you Muslim?
>> Okay.
>> Yes.
>> Can you prove Islam?
>> Yes.
>> Yes. So, basically, of course, we start with proving the God and the most logical and philosophically, you know, all that stuff, Islam comes to the top. Basically, if you see calam cosmological argument leads to Islamic God and um >> what >> all kinds of different um philosophical arguments leads to Islamic God.
>> What's an Islamic God?
>> And go to the go to the YT thing. I don't know why I can't hear you for some.
>> Oh, okay.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Can you hear me?
>> No, I can hear you. My friend is coming over there. So, >> okay. Do you need backup?
>> No, I don't need backup. He just had a He just had a question.
>> That's so hilarious. He said >> whatever thing is that >> he said the colam leads to a specific god.
>> Yes. Like monotheistic god.
>> That's just in favor of a monotheistic god. That doesn't lead to a specific monotheistic god.
>> No pure monotheistic god. which is Allah.
>> That doesn't that doesn't lead to your god. That doesn't that's just not what it leads to.
>> Yeah. So I said it leads to monotheistic god which Islam has and then wow >> there's eyewitness accounts of prophet Muhammad's >> of pro prophet Muhammad's what?
>> Yeah. So there eyewitness accounts of prophet Muhammad's miracles and then his prophecies that came true. And also in modern world Islam is the only one that has it people still following it to it.
You know Islamic countries you don't find any homosexuals, atheists or all these deviiances like you find also in Islamic countries. So they really are following it to a tea.
>> Yeah. So child married of course is one thing that you know was accepted in the time of prophets like Mary had a child when she was 12.
>> Yes. So there's of course there's people's fault that they have to read scientific arguments and make better judgment about it. But when it comes to haya like women covering men lowering their gaze and you know praying five times a day following to the tea Islam is the one that's still practiced.
I mean, I don't know how you could say that if you're saying that they're doing something immoral like marrying kids consistently.
>> Okay.
Okay. Like for example, Dubai, I'm sorry, Saudi Arabia all have ages like 18 years of marriage age. Pakistan um Iran is 17 which is still low but you know getting there. California used to have 6 years or something I think 9 years. So yes, countries can make laws and Islam has a system where you have to reduce the harm to the people. So yes, if they properly follow Islam, eventually there should be legal age 18.
>> I thought you said they were already following Islam.
people in like individually like for example the a person who is a Muslim tends to stick to Islam more than other religion like Christians aren't as high as like you won't find many Christians who are adhere to Christianity there was like >> you're just saying >> different combination I think >> lot of different >> that do a lot of haram stuff also like listen to music But yeah, but in general like in Islamic countries you won't find majority of them you won't find like homosexuality or um transgenderism or you know even those are like major like porns are made in less western countries and alcohol and drugs.
So, I'm uh wait uh Abe, if you're talking, we can't hear you.
We can't hear you.
>> Wait, what? It removed you from the scene. Go ahead. Speak again.
>> Hello.
>> There you go. There you go.
>> So, none of this >> I said, >> "Yeah, that's what I was."
>> But yeah, that's why I started >> Mhm.
>> That's why I started from that the philosophical theological basis. Islam is strong.
>> All you're saying is that >> the only thing that would prove Islam the only thing that would prove Islam is if Muhammad was doing out here doing miracles.
>> Is this it?
>> Out of out of out of what you mentioned, the only thing that would actually prove Islam if true is the miracles that you >> Yeah. I mean eyewitness accounts and hadiths and you know it's not chain proofs that there were many people who accepted this and really honest people they gave these statements that prophet Muhammad did perform miracles people watched it even Christians who converted into Islam during his time.
So and his prophecies came true too. For example, he said about Iraq or you know will be occupied by Muslims. He said there will Arab building became towel buildings. You know >> the manuscripts when do the manuscripts when's the earliest manuscript for these hadiths that that witness a miracle bro?
>> Yeah. So hadith the manuscript themselves like it's not like manuscript they started to write the hadiths 200 years after but they were all verbally transmitted like or sorry or orally transmitted um and and like stories and stuff that's how people used to do it back in the days um paper was not easy.
So that's sufficient evidence to prove a man did miracles.
>> I evidence account like I mean I'm not I don't want to go to like Christianity and stuff but um history wise a lot of the stuff is was orally transmitted. A lot of the historical events we verify by enough people tell you that this happened. Well, you're going to be very inconsistent then because there's many eyewitnesses to miracles that happen in Christianity. For example, uh there's the miracle of our lady of Fatima which thousands of people witnessed which there's actually pictures and videos of and do you accept that miracle?
>> Are you Well, first off, we do believe in gins.
So um and also there is >> so jin wasn't the one doing those miracles for Muhammad >> because Islam you know brought about monotheistic religion and also prayer to God >> brought about monostic religion as well.
>> Well like you got you have like three different entities in one god. You say that's not really person or the one God.
All that all that monotheism means is that there's a one god or you believe in one god.
>> Everything else after that it's >> also also you reduce the salvation to believe in in a particular person. Uh and it kind of robs from what I said.
>> Well, I'm saying it's illogical because it also make God incompetent and he cannot forgive people. You have to believe in a certain person, right?
That's what I was trying to say.
Logically, Islam makes sense, >> bro. You literally say you have to believe in Muhammad also. Exactly.
>> We We don't have to believe in We have to believe in one God. One God.
>> Okay. So, you can be a Muslim and not believe in Muhammad.
>> Yes. Like for example, people who believe >> before Islam there were Muslims.
>> No. Right now. Right now. Can you be a Muslim and not believe in Muhammad?
Well, so there are two different Muslims. One Muslim is >> I'm not worried about I'm saying right now can you not believe in Muhammad and be a Muslim?
believe like that he was a prophet then yeah you won't be a Muslim if you don't believe he's a prophet so you have to believe in >> you have to be you have to be a Muslim in order to go to Jenna right >> that's actually something in Quran it says that people will be judged based on their circumstance doesn't say you have to be a Muslim it says everybody who believes in Allah judgement day >> cool but generally speaking you you have to be a Muslim in order to go to Jenna correct Well, so in Islam, there's no way for us to know who's going to go to Jenna.
>> I'm not worried about I'm saying generally speaking, I'm saying generally speaking, to go to Jenna, you have to be Muslim, right?
>> Just generally, >> for example, you have to be a good person to be to go to Jenna.
>> Cool. So then you reduce So then, okay.
Okay. So then you've reduced your salvation down to believing in Muhammad as as a means of your salvation.
>> Not really because I say before Muhammad people were still going >> right now. I'm talking I'm talking about right now. I'm talking about right now.
>> Yeah. Right now I just told you that it's not us for us to know. But if you're asking >> I'm not saying it's I'm not asking you about who's going specifically cuz that's the thing that you keep that you keep thinking I'm asking. I'm not I'm not worried about that. I'm just saying generally speaking, you've just reduced your god down to somehow like having to believe in Muhammad for your salvation.
That's what you've reduced your god down to. And then you're saying that I've reduced down and then you saying you're saying that I've reduced or Christians have reduced down their salvation to xyz. Oh, guess what? You've done the same with your religion. Now what?
>> No, I said not everybody. Like for example, >> I didn't say everybody either. I didn't say everybody either.
>> Okay. So wait, didn't you say that we have to believe in Allah and the day of judgment?
>> Yes.
>> Oh, look. You've reduced your god down to the day of judgment.
>> So what if I just believe in I don't believe in the what if I don't believe in the day of judgment?
>> Then you won't worry about you will only worry about like your life on earth and you won't do things that will you know save you in the in the afterlife. You will be worrying about money, tax, you know, all sorts of drugs >> talking about like you will be more involved with worldly pleasures. You won't care if I do not believe in the day of judgment.
>> Like I said, because God made human being, you know, with a self sinful nature, you will automatically sin. Oh, >> you're just pushing it now.
>> You said that you have to believe in him and the day of judgment.
>> Yes. So, let me ask you.
>> I don't believe in the day of judgment.
>> Can I go to heaven?
>> Yes. It's not like the belief itself.
It's what comes from it. Right.
>> Can you Bro, can you deny can you deny this thing and still go to Jenna or No.
No, you won't go to Jenna because it will it will make you sin.
>> Look at that. You reduce your salvation down.
>> Amen.
>> Okay, let me ask you this. Let me ask you this.
>> But you but you said that you you you hold on. You said that you can deny Muhammad as a prophet and go to Jenna even though denying that could also make you sin.
>> Not really. Actually that's that's that's a this say if you're born in Islam if you deny prophet Muhammad then yes but if you were not born in Islam it says that everybody we say in Quran that every nation has their um warner and they they receive their message and whoever believes in God in the last me last day will have have nothing to worry about. It says in Quran you can read it >> and that's what we believe. Now, >> it says in Quran that every nation [clears throat] was sent a warner, a message, and whoever believes in God and the last day will have nothing to worry about.
>> Oh, okay. So, there's two things you have to believe in.
>> Yeah. You have to believe in God. That's definitely. Yes. And you have to believe that there is that you're going to be judged. Yes. You have to believe that you have to be you will be judged and that there is a God. You have to acknowledge God and that you will be judged. Yeah. And we have fra we all have intuition that there is a God.
>> Okay. So then there is no issue with requiring belief >> of something other than God in order to get to heaven.
>> What do you mean? You have to believe in God. the thing you just conceded.
>> You were criticizing Christians because we say, "Oh, you have to believe in a man in order to get to heaven."
>> Yes. In particular, man, you have to believe in Jesus who died for you.
>> Exactly. I was, bro.
>> No, you you just >> What do you mean no when you die?
>> Is that a particular day?
It's not a particular day of a particular place of a particular genre.
No, it's your life. You know you're going to die. [laughter] >> So, okay, let me ask you this. Let me ask you this. Be be honest here. Okay.
[laughter] >> If you not a particular day, the day after.
>> Wait, is that it's not a particular day.
If you deny >> No, it's not a particular day because when if you deny there's no afterlife.
>> Oh my goodness.
>> You know what a particular day, >> my friend. Okay, listen. That's why I don't like two people, you know, like not even letting me speak.
>> Bro, you're saying >> judgement day for everybody, my friend.
Can you let me finish one sentence? You can I'll let you speak. Okay. Judgment day for everybody is different. You can die today and you'll have be in judgment day. Somebody else can live for hundreds of years and not die. For him, judgment day is after that. It's not a particular day. Um, everybody just you have to believe that there's an afterlife.
That's it. If you if you're an atheist and you think there's no afterlife, this is the only life we got. You will try to enjoy this life to the fullest. Does the Quran say that automatically what >> does the Quran say that the judgment is after you're resurrected or before?
>> Resurrected?
>> Yeah.
>> Like on earth? What are you talking about? No, we die and we go directly to the judgment day.
What verse says that >> you can I mean I don't know a particular verse but it says that who like the soul when when it dies it goes back to the Lord >> for judgment.
Yeah.
>> Okay.
>> You don't get resurrected.
>> I just want Hold on. I actually want to I actually want to get to the topic though. How does this like I just need to know how how can you prove Islam.
>> Yes. So like I said theologic I mean philosophically through the colam cosm cosmological argument >> Kalam just proves that a god exists.
That doesn't prove Islam.
>> It it exists one god exist thing.
>> Okay cool. Any any monotheist any monotheistic any monotheistic religion can use the column. That doesn't that doesn't prove Islam.
>> Yes. Yes.
>> Okay. So, how do you prove this?
>> That's that's given that okay.
>> Yes. So, first we say that the you know the nature of God we can understand that this is must be monotheistic using >> cool we're way past that we've already established that.
>> All right. So, >> yes. Okay. There like I think three religion aspect Judaism, Christianity and Islam. Um you know that are somehow claim to be monotheistic. Right. From these three, you can kind of cross out Judaism because you have to be born in >> a Jew to be assumptions.
>> You're already making an assumption. The the cosmological argument doesn't prove a religion.
>> Okay. So to say that, oh there's three monotheistic religions, >> the nature of God.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. What does that have to do with religion? You could you could believe in a god without being a part of a specific religion.
I could believe in one god right now and I could say I'm not Christian, Muslim or J.
>> Okay, but what how would you know that God? How would you know that?
>> Um who says you have to >> how would you communicate with this God?
>> Who says you have to?
>> Then then what?
>> Then you're not really worshiping. You have to.
>> Who says I have to?
>> Who said who say you need to be a Muslim to worship God?
You need to know how to like what what your God wants.
>> So can I just not come to the conclusion that God exists all powerful and he can hear me?
>> Okay.
[snorts] >> So do you do you so okay if you assume that God is demon right? Satan is God right and he worship the Satan.
>> No philosophical want you to >> that doesn't even make sense cuz Satan is a creation.
>> How how am I going to conclude?
>> That's what I'm saying.
>> Okay. So that's why I'm trying to tell you that if you see the >> philosophically, you will come to a type a nature of God that fits Islam the best.
>> But it doesn't fit [clears throat] Islam.
>> That's why I came to >> That's just even if it's just one part of Islam.
>> Yeah. So it fits couple of different religions. That's why you're right.
>> It could just it could just fit someone's belief.
>> Why does it have to be a religion? Some random dude down the street could also believe in one god without ever having religion.
>> Like Aristotle for example, he believed in one god of religion.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah. So you believe that whatever one god but the way philosophically you can get to that god the nature fits Islamic gods the best you can actually come up >> bro.
Bro what are you even supposed to do there? Like just repeating the same thing. repeating the same thing.
>> It doesn't even fit as long as got the belt. We being for real, bro.
>> Bro got a a fan in a foot. [laughter] >> That was nuts.
All right. Were you hopping on tonight, by the way?
>> No, bro. I got work in the morning.
>> Dang.
Uh, wait. Um, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Everybody here. I'm about to end my live. If you want to if you want to dip.
Everybody on on YouTube uh or sorry on Tik Tok. I'm like losing my train of thought right now. Everybody on Tik Tok uh go to the link in my bio.
Go to the link in my bio and come to the live that's there. Everybody on my everybody on Tik Tok, come to the link in my bio and go to the live that's on there. Everybody come over. Everybody come over. Everybody come over. Um there's 92 of you guys. Everybody come over to the YouTube. Uh I'm going to end it off on there. But yeah, God bless you guys.
Okay, let me take this off. Hopefully I didn't. Okay.
Okay. Hello guys. Oh, hold on. Neo with a $10 super chat says, "Thank you, light. I appreciate that. God bless you.
And thank you for being generous."
I can't speak. Generous enough to give.
I appreciate that. God bless you. Thank you. Um, what's up, McCain? What's up, everyone? How you guys doing? You guys doing all right?
You guys doing okay?
Let me turn this off.
How you guys doing? I'm good, bro.
That's good. When you're off stream, I got you. I got you. I got you. Blessed.
That's good. That's good.
Yeah. Yeah.
Let me see.
We are only 15 away from from 600 2.6K.
Only 15 away from from 2.6K. That kind of rhymes. You've been torturing us for hours with these numb diggers. My head hurt. W stream as always, bro. It's not It's not a W stream as always. Honestly, my lives have been like horrible as of recent. I'll be so real. Uh, what's up, Warrior? How you doing, bro?
You had the bottom. Yeah, I did. I did.
But then again, it's always like that, though. It's always like that. It's always like that. I mean, what can you do?
Uh, you're not going to play Rivals tonight? No.
Well, actually, I think I might. I think I might. I think I might. Should I?
because I feel like I feel like I should uh feel like I should feel like I should do it, bro.
I also Wait a minute. Wait a minute.
Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Hold on, guys. What?
Wait a minute. Hold on.
Wait.
Hold on, guys.
Okay, I'm not tripping. I'm not tripping. I thought I was for a second cuz I saw something.
Um, am I able to paste that link? Okay. All right.
Okay, now I like games. Me too. Me too.
Okay, so to everybody in the live, I'm going to go ahead and end it off. But before I end it off, before I end it off, before everybody starts like running away, you know, all of you runners. But um before I end it off, I pinned the link to Coley's channel.
Coley is a good friend of ours. Um, either whenever I end the live, it'll take you straight over to his live. Or, as a matter of fact, all 76 of you guys, there's a lot of you, all 76 of you guys, press the link that I pinned in the comments, either at the top or the bottom, and go to his live and just say, "Lights sent to all of you guys. Just say light sent us." Show him some love.
Show him some support. All of you guys go there. Show him some Show him, you know what? Give him a good time. Give him a good time. Um, but yeah, God bless you guys. I love you all.
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