Blooming into yourself with Singer-Songwriter Maisie Peters #111 G Spot mit Stefanie Giesinger

Añadido: 2026-05-05

[00:00:00]Welcome to my G-spot >> and we are back. So, this is an English episode. If you want German subtitles, please feel free to go on YouTube. We have some good German subtitles for you.

[00:00:15]But for now, I just want to say welcome back to my G-spot. I am Stephanie Gizinger. This is my podcast, my safe space, the place where I want to speak about anything and everything that is on my mind and hopefully yours, too. And now I'm going to start with my thoughts that I've written down and I really want to read to you.

[00:00:38]>> De Morning Pages.

[00:00:42]Hot take. Your 20ies are not the best years of your life. I said it. I think they're actually the most confusing ones. Movies sell them as parties, sex, fearless freedom, and fun. But I have to say, nobody told me how hard it's going to be to navigate through those years.

[00:01:05]There is so much grief. Grief for people, for versions of yourself, and for futures you quietly let go of. I was so excited to be in my 20ies. And then I got here and realized how much of it is just figuring things out while your heart is breaking in the background. I mean, you're building a life while you're at the same time letting go of the one you thought you wanted. And somehow you're supposed to look like you have it all together. But lately, I do feel a shift. Less chaos, more clarity, less performing, more choosing. Maybe your 20s aren't the peak. Maybe they're the construction site. Today we're talking about heartbreak, healing, and what it really means to grow and bloom.

[00:02:00]So, this British star is not only a friend of mine. I know her for almost 10 years, which is a flex. She's also a wildly successful singer songwriter. She has already released three albums, You Signed Up for This, The Good Witch, and now Florisonens, in which she looks back onto an intense period of healing and heartbreak from her early to mid20ies.

[00:02:26]I'm so excited to talk to her about all of this. Welcome, Maisie Peters.

[00:02:39]Amazing.

[00:02:40]>> Hello. Hello.

[00:02:41]>> Hello.

[00:02:42]>> Hello.

[00:02:43]>> Vik.

[00:02:44]>> Good.

[00:02:45]>> Good.

[00:02:48]>> How are you? How are you?

[00:02:50]>> I just taught her some German.

[00:02:51]>> Vig.

[00:02:52]>> Yeah. But she's actually fluent. Tell us tell us how much you love me.

[00:02:56]>> Exactly.

[00:02:58]>> Tell us how much you love. It's so funny.

[00:03:00]>> So, yeah. This is Maisie. Maisie, thank you so much for being here.

[00:03:03]>> Thank you so much for having me on G-spot.

[00:03:05]>> On G-spot. In my G-spot. Happy to be in your G-spot. Yours more than anyone's.

[00:03:10]>> Oh, thank you. I think you're trying to flirt with me.

[00:03:14]>> No, dick.

[00:03:17]>> She She loves dick.

[00:03:19]>> Oh, sorry. I don't know. This is This is the wildest uh I know. Zero to 100.

[00:03:25]Imagine like we should let people know that we do know each other. True. Like this is not just how true >> we begin an acquaintance meeting.

[00:03:33]>> I think I've met you 2016 in Oh, wait.

[00:03:36]Tell me where we met. I know exactly where we met because you already star.

[00:03:41]So the thing is is that obviously I know one of the times. Have Do you think we've met? Have we met more than once?

[00:03:47]>> Yes, girl. Okay. I know that. I mean I guess I did know that. I know that obviously when I was in Germany. I was in Berlin and you and your ex-boyfriend who was also a friend of mine at the time, Marcus came to my show and I know that we would have met before then because we would have known each other for a long time before then. Did we meet at a Christmas summer party?

[00:04:09]>> No.

[00:04:11]>> Yeah.

[00:04:12]>> Did we meet in Germany or did we meet in London?

[00:04:13]>> We met in London, girl. And >> you're going to have to tell me. But to be fair, I wasn't I was a I mean, you must have been young. I was a teenager.

[00:04:20]>> Yeah, you were actually a teenager.

[00:04:21]>> I was actually a teenager. My mother was probably there. Shout out.

[00:04:23]>> Oh my god. You were 15 years old.

[00:04:26]>> You were 20. I was 15. So, it might have been gone. It might have been like deleted in in the growing up. So, correct me if I'm wrong with this story, but my ex had which he was a YouTube YouTuber, a famous YouTuber, he had a music label and they were looking for people who are very talented and were doing covers on YouTube and they discovered you.

[00:04:50]>> Yes. So, if we're going to take it all the way back, this is like 2015 and I was putting music on YouTube and I was actually putting original music on YouTube. So, I was putting songs that I had written at the time. I was like 15.

[00:05:02]I was just putting them on YouTube. I had like a little fan base. I was filming them in my bedroom. Like my mom would press record on the camera and I would like do a clap, sync the audio and just leave it in there. And I probably did that for about half a year. And then your ex Marcus got in touch with me. I remember he messaged me on Twitter, which is so funny as well. Like sign of the times, 2015. And I remember I was like probably 15 years old. And I remember saying to my sister, I was like, Ellen, this is so crazy, but you know that guy, Marcus, like he's messaged me on Twitter and he's asked if I am interested in in an opportunity that is um I'm interested in working together. And I was like, I wonder if he wants me to be in a video cuz like I don't think that's really my vibe. And then obviously transpires, he was setting up a music management company um as part of his work with Glean, which was his management company. And >> through that, I met my now manager called Bobby who was working there as well. Oh, Bobby, is he still managing?

[00:05:54]>> He still manages me. Yeah, I know. So, we all met through then. And then, yeah, we're all working together for a couple of years. I was a teenager throughout all of it. It would have been like 2016 to maybe like 2018, 2019, I reckon. And that was also then when I did that show in Berlin and and you guys came and then we have a fateful photo of us, which we were talking about earlier, with us all in like skinny jeans.

[00:06:15]>> Crazy. We will show you. We will put it up.

[00:06:18]>> We will put it up on any socials. You will see it. I mean, our style, amazing, skinny jeans, >> unbelievable, unparalleled.

[00:06:25]>> I was wearing like fake leather pants and we were both wearing Doc Martens.

[00:06:30]>> Yes, we were. Yes, we were. But that is a wild story. And I remember Marcus back then was like, "Oh my god, look, I discovered this girl. She's so talented." He showed me your video. I was like, "Oh my god, she's insane.

[00:06:41]She's so good." And then you played a gig in London and I came there and we hung out a little bit but you forgot a child.

[00:06:51]>> Just like that's the girlfriend from some I thought you were so cool which is you know what's funny is that like we were speaking earlier and I realized that you're not that much older than me but and I obviously I didn't think you were lots older than me cuz you look lots older than me. I just remember being a teenager and I thought you were so cool. So, in my mind, obviously, I thought, "Oh my god, she must be like so much older than me to like have this like cool life and you were a model and you were like doing all these things on Instagram." So, it's crazy that actually you were like 20 years old.

[00:07:24]>> Yeah, true.

[00:07:24]>> I look Yeah, I now look at that and I'm like, "Oh my god, you were also a baby."

[00:07:27]Like, so crazy to think about.

[00:07:29]>> So funny. Okay, so what has changed since then? I mean, that's a very big big big question.

[00:07:36]>> Yes.

[00:07:36]>> Um, obviously you became a superstar.

[00:07:39]You Yeah. You were performing for Ed Sheeran and you were performing for Taylor Swift.

[00:07:46]>> I did. I did do a stent. It was iconic.

[00:07:49]>> Insane.

[00:07:49]>> Insane.

[00:07:50]>> What else has changed? How many heartbreaks?

[00:07:54]>> How many heartbreaks? Well, if one was to count, um, there was a couple. There was a couple, I would say. Uh, there was a major one. the was a major reckoning in I was actually just listening to your morning pages obviously as I was sat waiting to come on and um yeah that was probably that sort of like classic early 20ies >> um you know deep destructive heartbreak but also I I'm sure you can relate to this as well and a lot of my new album is sort of about reflecting and looking back and with very different perspective and and different types of glasses on pardon pun and I can also look back at that time and just really laugh because I can just really think, wow, there was just a level of like drama and delusion on my own end. That is something that is so special. Like that that is actually so pure. And I actually have a song on my new album called Flat Other where I talk about almost the like beauty in the delusion and like the beauty in going through heartbreak or feeling or going through unrequited love and actually how magical that experience is when you look back because of how strong and heightened those feelings are and and the intensity that you feel and and go through life in those moments is actually like kind of magical when you look back on it. But yeah, it not that magical to be within.

[00:09:12]>> Yeah, I agree with you. But I also have to say, as much as you can look back and be like, "Oh my god, I was so pathetic."

[00:09:19]It's also it brought you here now, you were able to make art out of any pain.

[00:09:25]And I think this is kind of the topic for today's episode cuz I think making weaknesses or hard times to strengths is such a beautiful ability. And I don't want to be toxic positive being like any hard moment in your life, you have to see optimistic. No, but I do think if you kind of make sense of it all and you grow out of it, you grow so much stronger. M and I mean making music which is what I do is like the very literal interpretation of that because you very literally take a moment of sadness or of weakness or of anger or frustration or loss and in making it into music and then play and then getting to release that music and build a whole world around it and make videos and and play shows and and meet people for the first time and sing those sing those songs together is like actually the epitome of that. It is. And I really think about that with my second album was called The Good Witch and it was about a real heartbreak that I went through and I really think about that especially actually recently I'm back on tour and I'm playing a lot of those songs that were songs I wrote being really devastated by a heartbreak and now so many of them I sing and I have they're sort of not really tied to that in any way anymore. They're really about the present and and I have this song called Lost the Breakup and that song to me now is just so full of joy and like so full of happiness and I get to sing it every night with you know like thousands of people and we all they we all scream it back to each other and like that's literally exactly what you're saying of like turning a moment of sadness into a moment of strength and I literally do that and witness it and and get to live that every day which is so cool.

[00:11:02]>> So what would you say is the best part about expressing your feelings through your music? There's a couple. For me personally, which maybe this is a less common answer, I love that in writing about my life. I get to really chronicle the years and and the moments of I get to really chronicle the years and I get to look back at an album >> and it's kind of like you've frozen time and place, which >> I know obviously and you can do that different way. Some people journal, I mean podcast, there's all these different ways you can do it. But making music is such a cool way to do it because you really get to look back and be like, "Oh, that's I forgot I felt like that or I forgot that happened."

[00:11:43]You know, sometimes I'm listening back to an old song and I'm describing a memory and I completely forgot that the memory even existed. Yeah.

[00:11:50]>> And I I mean, it's Yeah. You get to have these little frozen time capsules of of your life and of moments and memories and and loves and heartbreaks. And to me, that's actually so cool. And I love getting to listen back and hearing how I felt or what happened through my past self's eyes.

[00:12:08]>> Do you think I could also kind of imagine it as therapy because you obviously process your feelings while you write about them?

[00:12:16]>> Yeah, some people definitely find it really cathartic.

[00:12:19]>> Yeah, >> I guess I I probably do subconsciously.

[00:12:22]It's just not really the reason that I'm writing. I'd say personally I'm not writing a song to figure out how I feel.

[00:12:30]I'm really just trying to to get it to to put it to paper. I'm really just trying to take a photo a sort of a musical photograph of my feelings. I'm not trying to like work them out.

[00:12:40]>> Oh, so interesting. Okay. Because for me, I mean, I don't know if this is even comparable, but when I write and I journal, this is really creating Yeah.

[00:12:51]The chaos from my head becomes more clear on paper. So, I thought it's maybe similarish when you write a song, but it makes sense. And I think that makes you also so unique as an artist. You're just taking that moment and you're kind of trying to put it out there. So you're not even therapizing yourself or anything.

[00:13:10]>> No, I'm I'm not trying to like I'm actually not trying to >> make art. No.

[00:13:18]>> Yeah. Or give an opinion. I'm I'm not trying to give an opinion that is thought through in that way. I'm I'm really just sort of trying to document either the present and just what exactly is happening. But actually definitely historically a lot of my songs I write retrospectively. So I write a lot of songs about looking back or I write a lot of songs sort of a couple months after whatever has happened because I think that I would find it really difficult to get to a conclusive point in real time whilst writing. I would find it really hard to like know what the point is of what I'm trying to say.

[00:13:51]Whereas a few months later, I'm able to look backwards and be like, >> "Oh, that's the point of that or that's the punch line." I'm writing music kind of, at least for me, like writing lyrics, you are kind of looking for a punch line or looking for a conclusion a little bit, like a little mini one in a song cuz often that's sort of the focal point of what you're trying to say. And so I guess in order to not be trying to work that out as it's happening, which is very difficult, like it's very hard for anyone to be going through something and be like, as I'm experiencing this, I know what it is and why it is and what the point of it is. So I guess I I wait a little bit sometimes and then look back and I'm able to see it a bit clearer.

[00:14:29]>> Makes sense. Who would you say is your inspiration? I guess I have a lot obviously, but probably my big ones would be they would have been Taylor Swift, Lily Allen, which is cool because she's really on a moment right now, but I've been a Lily Allen fan since I was a kid. Like All right, Still was one of the first albums that I really loved and absorbed deeply. So, uh, Taylor, Lily Allen, um, I mean, Sarah Barella's, I loved Kelly Clarkson. I remember like loving her early music. I mean, smash.

[00:15:03]There's so so so many. I mean, first aid kit, this amazing um sister act from Sweden. I could the list goes on and on.

[00:15:11]I have I have so many.

[00:15:12]>> So, how was it like to play for your idol for Taylor Swift? Did you [ __ ] your pants?

[00:15:17]>> Uh did not [ __ ] my pants. I'm like, did I? No. Did not [ __ ] my pants. But no, you know what? It was actually incredible. And I wonder people are always asking, you know, were you nervous? Were you scared? And honestly, I was just so excited. I was just the most excited. It was my dream come true.

[00:15:34]I'd always wanted to open for her. Was honestly like a bucket list thing for me. One of the only like sort of big goals I have like written down and like known to myself. And it was just an amazing day. It was Wembley Stadium in the summer. Her fans were so sweet. The crowd was amazing. It was just my dream come true. So, I just ran onto stage. I was like a ball of energy and I was just so happy to be there. I was just literally the stage is so big and I got so out of breath because I was so excited. I was just like running up and down it. But it was I mean it went by and it went by so quickly. But she was so sweet and so lovely to me and her whole team and crew was so professional and and great and it really was just the perfect day. My friends and family came.

[00:16:16]I got to watch the show afterwards, the Taylor show with all of them and was like all of my girlfriends and I and we just the surprise song she did. She did Long Live, which is this, if you're a Swifty, you know that's like a a song about touring and and her and her band and and the shows and the magic in in music. And so, but she sang Long Live as one of the surprise songs. And it felt very fated and we were all just screaming. And yeah, it was it was basically the perfect day. I always joke that like if I get married or like have a child, god forbid, it won't be as good as that. And I and I'll be telling everybody, I'll be letting them know, >> Maisie. Okay. I hope I mean if you ever have a child I hope the child will never hear this.

[00:16:55]>> No, I'm actually gonna put it on the I'm gonna put it on the TV as soon as they're old enough. I'm gonna and I'm gonna project a picture of me on the ears like that was mommy on the best day of her life. That's mommy meeting Taylor. It's like all these slideshow pictures and then it's one of the baby and I'm like skip.

[00:17:12]>> Okay. Kind of relatable I have to say.

[00:17:14]Um, so you were really successful since a very young age. Would you say that has created a lot of pressure for you?

[00:17:23]Because you you seem so chill. You're like, I trust in my abilities. I'm a good writer. I'm a good singer. You're fine. But how Yeah. How does it does it feel to be you in your body? Do you feel pressured?

[00:17:37]>> That's a good question. I think that I mean, like anything, it's kind of a double-edged sword. I think because I've done this for such a a long time relative to my life, 10 years since I was 15 and I've been doing it since for that long. I think you learn in that time that there are so many peaks and troughs and highs and lows within that period. The journey is so varied and there can be real moments of momentum and hype and then there can be real moments of questioning and and doubt and not feeling like the coolest kid at the party. And if you do it for long enough, and I'm sure you know this, you've also been in the industries you've been in for a long time. You live through those cycles multiple times. Like I have multiple times reached a new height. And then I have multiple times sort of ebbed and flowed and and wondered if I was doing the right things or making the right decisions or wondered if that song was was the right choice or or that show had sold enough tickets. And and I think in doing it for a long time, your perspective gets pretty good because you're able to be like, no, I know that these aren't that these are phases and a part of a much bigger journey. M >> and so I think in that way it probably has made me definitely have an overall more like I guess a calmer temperament because I know that everything is just subject to change and you should never let yourself feel too bogged down by the present moment because if you're you know if I'm making music for a long time then these things are going to happen.

[00:19:03]You're going to have highs, you're going to have lows and I guess the important thing is to just like keep your head down and focusing on on moving forward.

[00:19:11]Um, I've always seen like good like I'm a big fan of Lord. I'm a big fan of Maggie Rogers. And I've heard both of them really speak on this on having a career means sort of the the people that are going to have the longest career are actually the people that can weather those moments of extremity and just sort of keep moving forward regardless of that. Not get lost in the highs or the lows. And that's something that I really try to take with me. I really concentrate on. And sometimes that's tricky because it means, you know, in my eyes, I choose to stay very focused and even keeled, which means not getting swept away by the hard times or the good times. Sort of taking both with a pinch of salt and like pushing on. Sorry, I don't know if this is making sense. I'm really >> I'm really yapping.

[00:19:57]>> No, it it makes total sense. But I'm I'm questioning, do you ever feel any fear to become irrelevant? Because this is a fear that I always have. Of course. And like it's probably similarly to you.

[00:20:09]There's so much greatness in having done this for a long time. I'm feel so lucky and I also have learned so much and I've gotten to build a fan base and an audience and grow up with people and there is like so much wonderfulness in that. But of course also, you know, every it feels like every other month there's a new onenu or somebody newer and cooler and younger and and more exciting. And of course, yeah, I can I can definitely feel that fear and I can definitely feel the pressure to keep to stay relevant or to stay interesting.

[00:20:43]And I think, yeah, we'd all be lying if we said we didn't feel like that. But that's kind of why I make it a goal to stay as even keeled as possible and just kind of as focused as possible and really remind myself of my strengths and on how it is that I got here. And as much as like nothing's a given and we all you have to keep working and and and keep learning and growing, also I I think I I like to try and remind myself like I'm talented and I'm hardworking and I should be where I am. And also there is space for everybody. And >> you think so? Especially as a woman. I don't know if you see those postings, you know, like postings like I sound like a grandma. There's posts on social media where yeah, for example, Megan Fox or Angelina Jolie are shown in their 20ies and there's a caption saying those women in their peaks and I mean they just look like very young women and I feel like we're living in a society that is so misogynistic. Is that the English word of misogyn? That's a German word.

[00:21:51]And it's yeah, it's very hard for me to see and to believe that I will be as re relevant as now when I'm 30, 40, 50 because I do love my career and I want to stay doing what I'm doing. But then in the end of the day, I know our society is very harsh and it makes me sick to think about that and that also gives me the fear of becoming irrelevant.

[00:22:17]>> Okay. But I I think that is such a good point and not enough people say that. So I >> commend you for saying that. I think twopronged definitely we're in an extremely misogynistic society and industry. I mean I guess I'm in the music industry so that's sort of a slight different to the one that we're both in together which I guess is more entertainment. Um and the music industry is different because I do think there is more value placed upon like perspective and talent. Not regardless of age because women still definitely 100% suffer from like aism and sexism obviously far more than than the men do in our industry. But I guess my two-pronged response would be definitely in the entertainment industry women are at a disadvantage because of the agism and and the value placed upon looks. I and so it definitely I can understand that fear and I think it is sadly true.

[00:23:07]But I really believe and I'm not really I'm actually not an optimist and I'm not a very like wishy-washy person, but I still so this is a belief that's not coming from like it'll be okay. Like I genuinely believe that if you have something unique to share and you're a hardworking and intelligent person that if you and if those that hard work and that intelligence can keep fueling and molding the unique perspective or talent or thing that only you can share which I believe that is true then there is always going to be a space for it.

[00:23:40]>> Yeah, I agree. And by the way now I just want to say to all the listeners this is not a Kim Kardashian quote. I think women just has have to work hard enough to be successful. I do think in our society it is really hard.

[00:23:53]>> No, definitely.

[00:23:54]>> To juggle all of that, especially as a woman, you know, and we're sitting here in our 20ies. We don't have children. We do what we love for living. You know, we're very very privileged in that sense and in other senses as well. So I do want to say everything we say also comes from a perspective that is you know a very easy perspective >> definitely and also I agree like if you bring children into it and that then also definitely again is a whole other topic but I really think that as well whilst it can be a fear you know new younger exciting people can come onto the scene and you can feel like oh god you know I'm I'm not as relevant anymore as as these people and I also think there is a strength in that in having a perspective and an age and a wisdom within an industry, it gives you a very different talent and and but also a very different skill set and a very different perspective to share. And like I actually think that there is so much good in that. Like think about the new Lily Allen album. M I'm that is an album that she couldn't have written if she wasn't 40 and recently divorced in a really awful but also in a really awful and also in a a really specific way.

[00:25:08]That is a experience that I have never had and it would be impossible for me to have because I don't have two children that I've moved across the Atlantic >> Mhm.

[00:25:15]>> with that album is so good is because it offers such a unique feeling and perspective. But I think nowadays more than ever, people want something that feels unique. People want something that feels that's that's what's interesting.

[00:25:30]I think that's that's the game that we're in. And I actually think that age and knowledge give you a a even better standing to to make that.

[00:25:40]>> You kind of grew up in front of the camera like me. I mean, I was in Germany's Next Top Model with 16 17. So, >> were you in the show?

[00:25:48]>> Yeah, I won the show.

[00:25:49]>> Did you win the show?

[00:25:50]>> I'm Germany's Next Top Model 2014. [ __ ] wow. [ __ ] wow is the is the quote >> which is also very topical right now. We obviously don't have to talk about it but America's next models really on a conversational resurgence. So I bet you have things to say on that as well.

[00:26:06]>> It was never that bad at Germany's Next Top Model. I have to say of course time have changed and some probably not okay things have happened. But I'm I have to say I'm a very lucky one. Like >> so you were you a normal girl quote unquote and then you went on on Germany Sexual Model. Yeah, I mean my life changed completely from one day to the other. I was working in McDonald's. I was obviously still in school and um >> How old were you?

[00:26:30]>> 16 when I got on the show and when I was 17 I won the show.

[00:26:34]>> Wow.

[00:26:35]>> And honestly from one day to the other everything has changed and I started with social media because 2014 was literally the start of Instagram. So I was one of the most followed persons from Germany at that time. So that was the career push and now I'm looking back and I'm wondering how would my life have turned out if I became famous a little bit later in my life and I'm wondering do you feel the same? Do you wish sometimes that you became famous a little bit later when you were older?

[00:27:10]>> Wow.

[00:27:10]>> Cuz things are harder to comprehend at that time. Don't you think so? I feel lucky that I was young, same as you, when I started out in this career. I released my first song when I was 17, but I was on YouTube prior to that. I guess my journey and career feels like it's been quite incremental in growth. I yours you kind of went from zero to 100 really whereas I think that I have sort of >> done more of a gradual ascent which has been great because you don't have to be so young grappling with the insane change in life.

[00:27:47]>> Do I wish sometimes Yeah. I think that there's this Addison Ray quote that I love that I think is so good of her and she says how taste is a luxury which I think is such a good quote and talks about how basically about having to make decisions that aren't purely reflective of taste but you make decisions around um being financially stable or true >> trying to push yourself forward in a career that is not being handed to you.

[00:28:14]And I think that there's definitely something in if id have started later and I I could have maybe made some I don't know quote unquote cooler decisions or decisions that were more based around taste and more thought over and considered. Whereas when you start so young >> and you're sort of desperately like pushing yourself forward, it's harder to do that. And I don't know about you, but I can look back on like, >> you know, different choices that I made that kind of I I had to make at the time for, you know, financial stability or what whatever it is or for appeasement of a partner, not not a romantic partner, sorry, like a a business partner, >> things like that where I'm like, oh yeah, I guess if I'd have waited longer, those those decisions could have been made in a different way. And also just with the wisdom with the wisdom of age.

[00:28:58]But >> I don't know. No, I also think there's something good in starting so young cuz you are so unafraid cuz you just don't know. You just don't know anything and there's and there is such freedom in that and you can't compare what you don't know. True.

[00:29:11]>> I also think about that like being a teenager. I'm so much more comparative now I'm 25 to other people and other artists and other careers than I ever was when I was 15. Oh my god, I sold 20 tickets in a basement bar and I was like that's amazing. I can't believe I did that. Like >> there is something in that that Yeah. is that was a real gift.

[00:29:31]>> Yeah. No, I totally agree with you. Just like a child that is not scared to break a leg or >> Yeah.

[00:29:37]>> an arm. It's just like Yeah. You you're just doing it without overthinking it.

[00:29:42]And the older I become, the more I Oh, actually, I'm not sure. I thought maybe I'm becoming more overthinking, but now I'm also in a period of my life where I'm like, "Oh, I it doesn't matter. It's really not that serious. Everything is done the full circle.

[00:29:57]>> Yes. Exactly. But then also we're both in the public eye. We're both successful women. Do you think it's harder to date when you're that kind of a person?

[00:30:08]Because for me dating is really I mean for 3 months now I'm single now for 3 months and I'm like it's not possible for me to date. I'm such a successful famous woman.

[00:30:18]But I do think there is definitely something harder and I do have a hot take. as a successful woman, it is hard to have a healthy relationship at the same time. What do you think in our society? I don't think it's the woman's faults.

[00:30:31]>> No, nothing and nothing else. And you can get me on record. Um, yes, I agree.

[00:30:37]I am in a relationship. I've been in the same relationship for like two and a half years.

[00:30:43]>> Okay.

[00:30:44]>> And I would say I mean, and I'm in a very healthy relationship with a great man. But I think that I agree with your take being a successful woman, which means often probably, especially at the age that you are, and the age that I am, it means that it's likely that you're like out earning your partner. It's likely that you've been doing that for a long time. It's likely you're in a different place just professionally.

[00:31:11]Like not even sort of money aside, you're just probably you've been working for 15 years.

[00:31:16]>> Yeah.

[00:31:16]>> Um, which is super unusual. and you've been also working in your industry for 15 years. That's also super unusual for somebody in their mid to late 20s. Same as me. I've been doing I've been doing my job for 10 years. I'm 25. So I think those things mean that uh if we're talking about like a heteronormative relationship >> for a a man to enter into that and and sort of try and create a healthy relationship out of that dynamic. I do think it it's a lot of onus on the man to really make sure that his ego is in check and and I say that you know that a lot of that is subconscious and a lot of that's the conditioning that the patriarchy does to men. Not saying that that is the fault >> of said man at all of the individual.

[00:32:00]I'm really not. But I think that >> they need to do a lot of work on making sure that you know they're ready to to be in that relationship and ready to be in that dynamic. And that's a lot of work on your ego and that's a lot of work just the uh >> power dynamic.

[00:32:14]>> Power dynamic. Yeah. I think it's making sure that >> you're both ready to be in that dynamic which involves a lot of conversations and a lot of honesty. And I'm not asking also every relationship has its complications and of course it's it's okay to feel insecure or to feel jealous. I think it's about being open about that and not making that somebody else's problem because >> that insecurity and jealousy is a part of every relationship and and every person's life. But you have to be able to see that very much as something that the individual has to work on and not something that is the fault of the other person of the woman in this instance and something that they have to change. Like I actually remember like relatively early on in my relationship, >> my boyfriend said that he had to sort of give himself a talking to and be like, "Listen, if I want to be with this person and I love this person, I am going to just have to get over myself."

[00:33:06]Like, yeah, sometimes it might make me insecure that she out earns me or that she is so successful. Yeah, that might make me insecure, but if I'm not working this and keeping it in check, like, I could lose this person. I could lose this this relationship and I refuse to let that be the reason that that this doesn't work out because >> very well put.

[00:33:21]>> Yeah. And I think and he said that was something he sort of had to realize early on being like, I cannot let this be a problem or like >> this won't work. And I think that even just that realization and of course it's not as easy as that. You can't just say it and it happens. Yeah. But it has to be considered.

[00:33:36]>> I agree with you. And I think it's all about balance and obviously honesty and and transparency. And I do feel like every relationship somehow has a power dynamic. Even if it's just in the moment, there's just some kind of power which comes with energy. And if women have lots more power on the one side with money and success and so on, I do have the feeling lots of men are trying to gain power back with other things which makes a very unhealthy dynamic.

[00:34:08]And again, this is not an individual problem. I do feel like this is our society that puts this also on men. So men also suffer from the patriarchy surprise. Um, but this is definitely something that I have experienced in the past few years in my life and which I'm kind of excited about growing out because this is kind of also the negative side of the 20s for me to realize this and to feel like okay, what kind of a relationship do I want? What am I looking for? So, yeah, I'm excited for my 30s just for that as well.

[00:34:42]>> I'm excited for you for that as well.

[00:34:44]>> Thank you. How do you actually create your art? Do you feel the most creative when you're completely on your own? Do you have any thoughts that you just write down or how can I imagine the process?

[00:34:55]>> Well, it it's different. I actually think the last few days being on tour, something about it has actually sort of done something to my brain cuz I'm having a lot of ideas. I've been doing a lot of sort of just titles or little sections of lyrics and been putting those on my notes app, which is sort of first step. And then when I go to write, I guess it depends if I'm by myself or with with others. If I'm by myself, I'll I'll know what I want to sing about.

[00:35:17]I'll know what the story is that I'm trying to say. I'll know what what the feeling or most often the title or the what the lyric is and I'll go from there. If I'm with others, it might be a little bit more free flowing. I might get into the room and I might have an idea or someone might just play some chords and we go from there. Sometimes I'm coming in with a full vision and picture, even maybe a chorus or a verse.

[00:35:36]Other times it literally it comes to me in the moment and it really depends. And it's changed album to album and and year to year. The amount that I write as well, how prolific I am has changed age to age and year to year. So it's it is definitely a changing an ever changing process.

[00:35:50]>> Do you feel more creative and you feel a little bit boredom? Cuz when I'm super busy, I cannot be creative at all. Like there is a creative gap in my life.

[00:35:59]>> Interesting. I don't know. I think that >> there is definitely logic in that.

[00:36:04]>> Yeah.

[00:36:05]>> But maybe I need a little bit more of a middle ground. M >> I feel if I'm too bored then it's hard.

[00:36:12]I think I think I have there has to be a level of challenge in it. I I can't be left to my own devices. I I kind of need it to be a little bit more structured than that. I think I need to sort of give myself the time and the place and be like this is your focus moment for that.

[00:36:31]>> I'm I'm sort of I'm going to be having ideas and jotting things down and sort of be in that space all the time. And that's sort of my constant is like having like a you know 5% of my brain switched on to to to an to a song to an idea. But I think that I'm this the work that I love the most that I'm proudest of has come out of >> really sitting myself down >> and forcing yourself to work on it.

[00:36:55]Okay.

[00:36:55]>> Kind of which sounds crazy but I kind of need to be in that space to to give my brain 100% to the thing at hand. So maybe there is also like a private Maisie and you obviously have the singer singer songwriter Maisie and you have to tune in those two personalities and I guess when you're the private Maisie you're like oh no I'm not working I need my time to >> yeah to become the person I need to be to do the work almost. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:37:21]Definitely >> makes total sense for me.

[00:37:23]>> Yeah that's a that's a good way of putting it.

[00:37:25]>> But are you a person that can be alone pretty well? Like do you like being completely on your own?

[00:37:30]>> No. I'm probably more of a pack animal.

[00:37:32]I like to say, yeah, and maybe I'm 25, so maybe I need a couple more years. I feel like sometimes people discover that the ability to be alone later on. And I will say I wasn't >> this the relationship I'm in now is sort of the first like >> serious adult relationship I've ever been in. So I spent a lot of my early 20s and late teens completely single and had no issue with that. And I also I mean I had so many friends. I was on tour. I was my life was so full >> and so which I was amazing. I'm really glad that that was my experience of those years because I have friends and uh I have friends who were in terrible relationships for those years. And I'm so glad that I spent that time just being with myself and and making music and making memories and being on tour and working and like really just focused 100% on me and on on my career. Like I'm so glad that was the way around it was.

[00:38:22]Who would you call for advice? Let's say something in your life happens, something terrible or something big and beautiful.

[00:38:29]>> Who would you call first? Oh, well, who would I call first is different to who I would call for advice.

[00:38:34]>> Okay.

[00:38:34]>> But I'll give you both. I'd say I mean to be honest, who am I calling first would probably be my boyfriend >> right now. But who am I calling for advice >> would be I guess probably one of my girlfriends like still. And I'm very much you know those people that are like your punish should be your best friend.

[00:38:53]I'm like listen listen this king is is is a friend for sure.

[00:38:57]>> This king's my friend for sure. So he's amaz my boyfriend's amazing and he is one of my best friends in a way but no my my best friends are my best friends like the my girls that I've been friends with since I was 18. My kids play Tina got a really close friend called Greta who's like an older sister to me who's Australian. Kate is was my roommate for years and lives in America now and she's one of my closest friends. My actual sister who I live with. Like all these girls I would say are the backbone to my mental well-being and they are, you know, my boyfriend takes care of me and I take care of him and he's like a really safe place for me and and a great shoulder of support and really supportive to me as well and really backs me up and makes me feel confident and assured of myself. But >> nothing is as strong as a woman. My best friends are who I'm going to 100% if I'm I need something. If there's something if I'm in trouble or if I need advice, it's it's probably the girls.

[00:39:54]>> That's cute. Okay. I can really imagine that and I think that's a very beautiful and lovely thing to say. So your new album is called Floresence. Yes. First of all, what does the word mean?

[00:40:04]>> So it feels very G-spot coded of us today. Um fluoresence means to blossom to bloom.

[00:40:10]>> Wait, how do you say it? Floresence.

[00:40:12]>> You're saying it right.

[00:40:13]>> Oh yeah. Okay. You just said >> I'm saying fluoresence.

[00:40:15]>> Fluoresence.

[00:40:16]>> But what you're saying is still right.

[00:40:18]>> Is it?

[00:40:18]>> Yeah, definitely.

[00:40:19]>> Fluoresence. No, because it's essence fluoresence. And it's to bloom into something, right?

[00:40:24]>> To blossom, to bloom, to develop richly and fully.

[00:40:28]>> Oh, wow. Look at you. The poet that you are. Tell me about it. How Yeah. How did you write the album? What did you kind of bring down to paper? So I wrote the album over about a year and a half, 24 to mid 25.

[00:40:45]>> Yeah.

[00:40:45]>> And the album I called it fluoresence. I actually the title was the last thing that I did.

[00:40:51]>> I wrote the whole album, recorded it, tracked it, and then came up with the title because I kind of needed to hear it in full back at myself to understand, I guess, what it was truly about, sort of what the the thesis, what the what the main point of it was. Mhm.

[00:41:06]>> And I think in listening back and and hearing it as one, to me, the album is is really about blossoming and and becoming, I guess, becoming the first version of myself that I feel like will be here for a long time. my previous records I made in my late teens, early 20s and I love those albums and they are definitely a part of me and the person that I was when I made those albums is still a part of me but I think Fluoresence the album and the person that made it and the person that is is shown in the music feels like a a truer version of me like a a more concentrated version of me if that makes sense. I think what you're saying about how your sort of your mid to late 20s, you're really sort of discovering a a type of peace and stability.

[00:41:49]>> Yeah.

[00:41:49]>> Not only in your outer life, actually in your inner life, just how you feel about yourself, >> who you are, what you like, what you don't like. And I think to me that's what this album was. Uh, this album was sort of finding that peace and stability and certainty and getting to make music that feels and it's not that my previous work wasn't authentic cuz it completely was, >> but I think that this album is authentic in a way that actually probably harks back to like my younger self. The way that sometimes the truest version of yourself is the version of you at 15.

[00:42:20]>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:42:20]>> If that makes sense.

[00:42:21]>> It makes total sense. How do you decide which part of you you want to share in your music? It >> you know, easily. I think well I write a lot so I wrote maybe 60 songs for this album.

[00:42:30]>> What?

[00:42:30]>> I know. Oh my gosh. And then deciding so I like to sort of write with Wild Abandon. I'll just say whatever I want to say in that in that moment in the studio just it's it's whatever because I know that there's so much that goes into releasing a song.

[00:42:43]>> And then when I'm deciding what songs make the album and what songs are getting released, that becomes a much bigger conversation of what stories do I want to tell on this album? What am I trying to say? What songs do what job as well. It's like, you know, sometimes there's a song on the album called Girls Just Flying, and that song, I knew as soon as I wrote it, I needed it to be on the album because it had >> such a sense of joy and community in it.

[00:43:06]It felt like a song you could sing with your friends, to your friends. It felt like a song that in the show would be one where everyone could smile whilst they sang it. And that was so important to me. So, that song I knew was on the album for that reason. And then there's a song called Houses that I wrote 100% by myself, which is very introspective.

[00:43:20]And I knew I wanted that song on the album because it told a very specific story that I hadn't told before and also felt like a really nice response to previous songs of mine. It felt like a sort of natural next part of the book.

[00:43:33]>> Yeah.

[00:43:34]>> Which my fans and I we're all kind of growing up together and I like the idea that I'm giving them music for each stage of their life and I'm giving them music for what comes after the song I just gave them. Does that make sense?

[00:43:46]>> Yeah, it makes sense. It's like a story, a fullon story. Sounds really beautiful.

[00:43:50]Do you sometimes fear to overshare because there is such a big part of you in this kind of art?

[00:43:58]>> I don't feel afraid of oversharing in the details. I guess there is obviously a part of me that it's scary putting your life out there. It's actually scary putting your happiness out there, which is what I've done on this album, because there's always the fear that that happiness could not last. M that love that you're so certain in could disappear or could change and that's scary cuz you're giving the world something you can't take back and and you're giving the world a version of yourself that will be there forever. So, you know, God forbid the relationship that I talk about in this album ends that will be difficult and it'll be difficult to sing those songs and to hear back myself being so certain of something. I think like anything, you know, it's like it's like when you watch back a video of yourself and your ex and you're so happy and >> and you're so unconcerned with the future and it's so painful to to see that version of yourself. But I also I don't know. I guess you can't live your life like that. And >> if it happens, I I feel I'll find a way through it. Yeah, for sure. And I can tell you I mean now looking back at videos, postings, and whatever with my ex partners, I have nothing but love for that period of time. Of course, there is a short period where you do feel the pain, but even then you're looking back and I'm just so grateful for everything that happened. And I think it's probably the same with music. You outgrow those periods and they will change for sure.

[00:45:23]You will change for sure. But it's so beautiful to see that little Maisie was so happy back then and I already see you as a 35year-old listening to your music and being like, "Oh my god, this girl had such a beautiful time."

[00:45:35]>> Oh, yeah. I hope so. But yeah, I think also a big role for us and probably also for you um because you are an artist, social media plays such a big role. How is that like for you? Do are you do you love being on social media? Do you use it also to promote your art? How do you do it?

[00:45:56]>> Yeah, I definitely use it a lot and I have done since I was a teenager. Again, similar to you. Uh yeah, I guess I am trying to use it in a most sort of the most personally responsible way I can where it can be a a difficult place for sure. Um but I am trying to yeah bring joy on there and bring fun and creativity and provide you know the the the best art that I can make that I can give to people as well. And then also I have a podcast as well podcast called Twin Hood with your sister. Yeah, with my sister and I think we do a lot more sort of deeper dive conversations on there >> um around topics that feel more longer form in nature, conversations that I feel like I don't want to just have on an Instagram story if that's like body image or relationships, relationships with family or with friends or I mean kind of whatever it is.

[00:46:52]>> I think yeah, I I try and and bring as much of that as possible. Obviously, British art has always been very relevant, but right now there is such a hype around British music, British artists. Why do you think that is?

[00:47:08]>> Oo, I mean there is so much talent there right now, >> obviously. I mean, Olivia Dean is just incredible.

[00:47:15]>> Dual Lipia.

[00:47:16]>> Duipa, our queen, >> Charlie XX, >> Charlie XX, Sam Fender. There's just I mean, yeah, there is so much incredible >> Wait, Sam Fender is British.

[00:47:24]>> Yeah.

[00:47:24]>> I had no idea. I love his music.

[00:47:26]>> Yeah, he's from Newcastle. He's a Jordy King. Yeah, so much incredible art comes out of the UK. The reason as to why it's who knows, there is such a wealth of culture and experience within the UK.

[00:47:39]And I mean, all those artists I've just named >> are all all have such rich interesting backgrounds and and stories. And I'm I wonder if that you know there's such cool unique perspectives from all of those people that make their music so excellent. I think yeah we all of them I mean all of those people just are so different which is so interesting as to like why they're all individually so massive.

[00:48:03]>> So hyped you know Harry Styles is so hyped in Berlin.

[00:48:06]>> I bet he is. Yeah. Harry Styles is really leaning into his Yeah. Are you into the album? I am. But I have to say h at this point I'm like, "Oh, come on, Harry." You know those quotes like, "Oh, yeah. I was in Burkhine and I had to cry and I felt so free." I'm like, we had those realizations when, you know, beginning of 20s.

[00:48:28]>> That's so funny. Yeah. Like you're like us, those of us in Berlin, we've kind of already done that bit. Yeah. We did it 21.

[00:48:35]>> Yeah. And he looks so Berlin at this point. I'm like, "Oh, I don't know. I see this aesthetic a little bit too much. I'm a hater of Berlin right now. I just realized. I'm so sorry to all my Berlin people. I love you and I love Berlin culture. I really, really do. But at this point, I'm like, you're milking it, Harry. It's enough. He's >> Oh my god, I'm going to get hate for this.

[00:48:57]>> He's honorarily Berlinian. That's That is not the word. What would you What What do you If you're Berlin, from Berlin, like if you're from London, you're a Londoner. If you're from Berlin, what are you?

[00:49:06]>> Balina.

[00:49:06]>> Berina.

[00:49:07]>> Bellina. But there's also like a sweet like a treat like a from the bakery that is also called bellina. So >> if you say I want a bellina, it could be a Berlin guy or like >> uh ish is Berlin.

[00:49:24]>> Yeah. Oh my god. Amazing.

[00:49:26]>> Me speaking my German. No, I'm I'm a fan. I like the song American Girls.

[00:49:31]>> American Girl. Me just like say my favorite song of the Harry Sles album.

[00:49:34]>> Um love American Girls. There's another one that Oh, pop. I really like that one, too.

[00:49:38]>> I actually like his whole album. I'm just so fascinated with British musicians at the moment, and I really wonder why that is. Is there maybe some hope in the Brits right now because America is really scary and we love English pop culture. I'm just like really I can't wrap my head around it, but at the same time, I'm really enjoying it and I think it's really cool.

[00:50:04]>> Ed Sheeran as well. How was it like to perform for >> Achiran? Airan Chiran myan Chiran. He is the best. We've been friends for a long time and I learned so much going on tour with him. I mean he's literally a legend. The legend of the game. So yeah, he's he is the best and had many iconic iconic nights on the Edan mathematics tour.

[00:50:25]>> Uh speaking about tours, you are on tour. You're performing in Germany. I am in Berlin today.

[00:50:31]>> I am.

[00:50:32]>> So tell us about Yeah. The next stops.

[00:50:35]What are you looking forward to now with the album release?

[00:50:39]>> Fluoresence.

[00:50:40]>> Fluoresence. I am in Berlin tonight.

[00:50:44]Cologne tomorrow, then Paris, then London, then Paris.

[00:50:47]>> Mhm.

[00:50:48]>> Oh my god. Wee wee.

[00:50:49]>> Wee wee baguette japel. My German is obviously better. Um I'm in Paris and London. Then I'm in North America on a tour there. So I'm basically just running. I'm going to Brazil. Oh my gosh. You're going to Brazil?

[00:51:04]>> I'm going to Brazil for like 3 days to do a show.

[00:51:07]>> I'm really excited. I've always wanted to go to Brazil, so this is bucket list for me. I'm excited for you, girl.

[00:51:13]>> I know. Me, too. But I'm running around doing all of that. The album is out May 15th. So, I'm really just like here, there, and everywhere between now and then. I've got another tour back in the UK. I'm sort of doing a record store more sort of deep dive on the album tour right before the album comes out. And so, yeah, I am booked and busy, which is cool, which is good. It's good to be busy. I had a little bit of time off so I'm like back in the swing.

[00:51:35]>> That's lovely. Okay. I mean, thank you so much for this conversation. Is there anything you still want to say? Let go of >> My god. No share.

[00:51:43]>> Just that I had a great time here in your G-spot and I'd come again.

[00:51:47]>> Oh, lovely. Do you have any recommendations for us? Books, movies, >> shows that you love to watch?

[00:51:55]>> Yes. Yes, I do. I am just like all the other girls and I've been watching Industry season 4. Uh, have you watched Industry? No.

[00:52:02]>> I think you would love it. Oh, yeah.

[00:52:03]It's kind of like succession meets skins and it's really good. It's set in the UK, but it's also actually kind of they go to actually they go to Germany at one point. I think they go to Berlin for an episode and it's like set in a sort of financial trading floor, but it's like sexy and evil and it's really good and I'm watching season 4 and I've got one episode left.

[00:52:22]>> So, industry for the hot girls and also >> are you reading?

[00:52:26]>> Yes, I read a lot. I just finished a book. I'm reading a really long book right now called The Soldier, I think.

[00:52:32]But I just finished a book called Moderation by I think Elen Cast Castillo. It was sort of a sci-fi romance, which I'm really not normally reading, and it was set uh in Vegas.

[00:52:44]She's a content moderator, and then she goes on to sort of work within this very dubious, secretive uh virtual reality world, >> and it's it's very unique. I've not read anything else like it and I really enjoyed it. I gave it five stars on good readads.

[00:53:00]>> Oh, look at her. What about you?

[00:53:03]>> I just started to read uh Blue Skies by TC Bole like literally last night and I'm only like maybe 30 pages in but I have to say I really like it so far. TC Bole does really good. Do you know him?

[00:53:15]>> No.

[00:53:16]>> Great author.

[00:53:17]>> Okay, I'll look into it for sure.

[00:53:18]>> There is one landing page I will send it to you. I there are all the books that we got recommended here. So I just became a reader like through G-spot I started to read. Before that I hated books.

[00:53:30]>> No way.

[00:53:31]>> I couldn't concentrate. I opened a book and I was like five pages in. I'm like I can't I can't. My attention span was >> too much.

[00:53:37]>> Yeah. The attention span gone. Crazy. So reading. Reading is great for the mind.

[00:53:44]I'm going to say >> I really believe that.

[00:53:46]>> Got tips. Okay. We just have one last question. And something that is yeah kind of connected to the topic something for the listeners the G tips how do I allow for change even when it feels scary what would you say maybe don't overthink yeah just don't think about it so funny um maybe just sort of put one foot in front of the other and don't try not to think about the try just to think about it in a very small scale way. If there's a big change going on, it's probably too much for your human brain to to conceptualize every single aspect of that change. But I think dayto-day try and just move in a forwards direction and I guess do little bits of acceptance on the change or little bits of movement within the change, whatever feels comfortable in that day. And I feel as time goes on, it'll get easier and easier and before you know it, the change will have happened and it will be behind you.

[00:54:51]>> That's so cute. I love that. Yeah, change can be so hard, but it's actually it's the most human thing ever. And without change, there wouldn't be life.

[00:55:01]I think life and change, you can use those words almost sim How do you say that word? Simultaneously. Yeah, simultaneously. Great job.

[00:55:10]>> Gosh, my English got so bad. Get me British boyfriend again. So, >> okay, I'll find I'll find one. I'll find one.

[00:55:17]>> Um, >> it's a joke, obviously.

[00:55:19]>> It's a joke. It's a joke. Is it? me scrolling my phone. Um, no, you just made me think of something there before we go when you were saying how Oh, I was going to say also something that I like to think of and this is kind of a funny way thing to say maybe, but like it is just going to happen. The change is going to happen. You can't stop it.

[00:55:37]>> Yes.

[00:55:37]>> So, if that's helpful, sometimes I think, well, it's out of my hands anyway. Like, it's there's nothing I can do. I am this will pass. I will look back on this moment or this month or this year and I will think that happened and now it's over. So like you might as well just accept.

[00:55:53]>> Yeah, this will pass is actually something that I want. I wanted to get it tattooed but I want to stop with tattoos. So but I totally agree. This >> this will pass.

[00:56:03]>> Will you also do you also say this shall pass?

[00:56:05]>> This shall pass.

[00:56:06]>> This will pass. This will pass.

[00:56:08]>> Have you seen Flea Bag?

[00:56:09]>> Yes. Oh my god, I love Flea Bag. This is also on the recommendation list >> when he go when she goes I love you and he goes it'll pass.

[00:56:17]>> Kill me now. Just hit me over the head.

[00:56:19]Wow. Great. I think that's the best ending sentence. Kick me over the head.

[00:56:25]Brilliant. Uh, thank you so much.

[00:56:27]G-spot.

[00:56:28]>> Thank you, Maisie. Well, good luck tonight. I'm so excited to see you perform.

[00:56:32]>> I know.

[00:56:33]>> This girl, oh my god, she is an amazing performer. Okay, so listen to her music.

[00:56:38]Floresence. Did I say it right?

[00:56:40]>> Fluoresence.

[00:56:40]>> Fluoresence. My gosh. Yeah. Follow her on the socials. Listen to G-spot every Wednesday everywhere where you can listen to podcasts and also on YouTube.

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