‘Tinubu’s greatest mistake will be removing VP Shettima’ - Bwala | Daily Politics

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[00:00:00]viewers and welcome to daily politics on trust TV. I'm Hamz Andre. President Bahub has secured the APC ticket for 2027 with nearly 11 million votes. But how did he pull that massive support?

[00:00:16]And amid this landslide, what becomes of the president in the general election?

[00:00:21]And what becomes of the vice president Kashu Shettima? What about other opposition parties? What do they have on the table? Joining us in the studio to break this down is Dr. James Bala, a media scholar, strategist and media practitioner. He teaches at the department of journalism and media studies behind university here in Abuja.

[00:00:44]Dr. Welcome to our studio. Thank you for having me. Um APC, let me start mildly. Oh, you are an academic.

[00:00:56]Well, I am an academic. I am a media professional and I am an apologist of the APC. So I know how to tackle you that is uh by the way once again welcome. Um you've seen u various political parties now going to the trenches.

[00:01:18]um how do you rate the electioning because um we've seen APC you know we've seen ADC we've seen NDC okay so so what is your rating as to how they are now going about uh the electioning ahead of 2027 I think someone asked me this same question uh whether I believe APC will win the 2027 general election And my answer to him was that um I looked at all the political parties in this country and all of them lack leadership except a APC in the sense that in the ADC I see controversies. There's no straight way ahead for them. uh Aiku is battling OB is battling before he left you know and I was wondering what kind of a political system or political party is ADC representing NBC is quiet we don't hear much of them because they are new you know >> or because they still also maybe have you know um a true of what is happening in the ADC. Maybe it has come into that party also. Maybe that is why but I keep saying that the APC has leadership.

[00:02:57]What about PDP? Well, PDP for me PDP is dead long time ago.

[00:03:04]I am afraid now they went back and proved that Jonathan to come. So that >> I think it is still in the works because he hasn't thrown his heart there and a lot of of their members are saying that he's coming but I'm afraid for him he will only come to disgrace himself in this movement the way I'm seeing things going within the political party I think the only party as a scholar that I see has all that it takes is the APC they had their uh uh primaries and you you mentioned that about 10.9 million views for the presidency you did there. I'm just trying to to gauge the mood um across the country and being someone who who who teaches communication >> in the in the university who also you know write who analyzes issues and all that.

[00:04:07]The rate between uh APC and other part political party is very wide. The gap is very wide. The rate is so high if I can put it that way I can give APC like 90% and others chances yes and others battling between 30 and 40s. Why why are political parties fragmented in in your estimation?

[00:04:34]One thing I will say is that most people practicing politics in the country today uh define it from the concept of struggling.

[00:04:46]They say politics >> not only for for themselves for selfish interest you know struggling without ideology and that is the main reason why they are failing. Nobody is coming to politics to take Nigeria for example as a project you know to look at what are the problems and what are the solutions they want to bring for the country. Most of these people going into politics are going in for their own selfish reasons and that is why we are getting it wrong till today.

[00:05:30]um the APC have tried under the Tigu administration I would say because I've seen some certain development and the fact that he was able you know to bring the country thus far uh you look at the issue of insecurity in the past and today uh even if you don't like him I believe you can say that he has done something you know this is what he said uh um yesterday I mean when when he was um affirmed right >> as the presidential candidate of the ruling party >> but um millions of Nigerians are scared because the the numbers don't really add up I'm sorry to use that word uh nearly 11 million votes I don't know whether you have followed the e-registration of the party the number of uh membership that have signed for APC I think they almost getting to 15 million or so if he pulls out 10.9 million out of like 15 million I think is justifi is justified is very is justified now looking at it you know in 2023 he got around 8 something million this was during general election and you know so many factors do come into play uh during general election and uh some people they might cast their votes for candidates of other parties especially for lower election let's say senate house of priv or state assembly or governorship but then for the presidency they can now gravitate towards maybe the ruling party or whatever. Uh we didn't see that enthusiasm. Uh what changed between 2023 and now? I think a lot has changed.

[00:07:41]Um back then in 2023 there was a lot of crisis you know crisis in the sense that people are looking at the Muslim Muslim ticket as a death sentence for some section of of the country. Okay. And so people try to fought that moment but it came and here we are today we've heard and we've read so many things that the government have done in terms of security for example are we not Dr. I was of in terms of security >> because I I I I I remember you you covered the har as as a journalist. You you were in the front line >> in the in the northeast. Uh of course some people when they come here they will say um the crisis in the northeast wasn't as violent as uh pre20 right taking it even back to the bhari era they have been decimated but we still have a lot of crisis yeah crisis crisis in many faces I'm sorry crisis we have bandit trees in the northwest in the north central and booh haram in the northeast even if they created southwest southwest what happened in years and I think uh this has to do with the political unfoldment in the country now uh if you look back you and I have covered this thing for a long time uh if you look back each time politics is about happening Some people I will say I don't know them but some people you don't want to say as a journalist try to push you know for the issue of insecurity >> issue of insecurity and you see it coming out as if it just started but the truth is this thing can be coiled within 24 hours if Nigerians not government now if Nigerians wants it end how it's like you're bringing a new um I mean nar a lot of Nigerians are sympathizers to this crisis I did my thesis on mandatory in the northeast in the northwest and the north central Nigeria and I've gone the yes my thesis I did it on that you know and I've gone around all these places you know and ask people question.

[00:10:44]I ask journalists questions you know and uh what I found out is pathetic and I and I begin to sympathize with the government then even though I don't like the government and Bhari's administration but I begin to sympathize with the government because of the people.

[00:11:03]A lot of people in this country don't know what it means to live peacefully and a lot of them in the northwest and the north central and the northeast you and I know have been sympathizers right and some element also within the government are also sympathizers and sponsors As a journalist if you say something the next day you won't be found alive. So a lot of journalists a lot of media practitioners that have practiced in Bono state knows a lot of things. No government had ever gone to Meduguri and gathered the media practitioners and asked them what is happening because they have been having interviews on phones with Baharam elements. They will tell you where you are, where they saw you and they'll tell you what to write and how to write it and even where they sent a message for you to go and collect, you know. So it's not about anyone but I think this was um about 15 years back and they still do that today under jur right?

[00:12:30]>> Yes. So are also victims.

[00:12:33]>> They are victims. They are victims. You remember there was a time they were telling us we should we should report exactly what they said >> else consequences. Yes. And I remember I was with Nigerian Tribune then and my editor told me to go and interview uh Muhammad Yu Shak sorry to look for him to look for him. I interviewed him and I told him that if he will leave Ibadon and come to Medu I will take him there to me to go alone I will not as how that story ends. So now talking about coming back to the the subject of um discussion how we get to where we are people are still questioning that president does not deserve this um huge numbers.

[00:13:25]Well, the primary that held is a party affairs >> and the people that voted him are members of the old progressive congress and they vote their leader. They said this is the man we want.

[00:13:41]So if you are outside there and trying to judge what is happening internally of a party that chooses their own leadership then you have a problem. some believe that the the process was faulty.

[00:13:56]Um and I even questioning the integrity of this concept of direct primaries because they said they held it for the presidential for instance they held it at is it at what level you know community level or wherever and then you see all sorts of people without even the identity card to show that they were a member. Some are just sympathizers because they were mobilized to go to the voting areas. Have you noticed something like that or you have a different opinion? Well, I don't know the nitty-gritty of that. That happened, but one thing I can tell you is that I saw my governor in a queue trying to vote for president governor professor.

[00:14:46]I saw him in a queue. So I don't think a governor can go to that extent to just play drama over an issue if there's no no reality to it.

[00:15:00]And so I believe whatever happens because I am aware that an e-registration for party membership was conducted and about 15 14 to 15 million members have registered with the APC.

[00:15:17]not all will come out but if 10.9 came out to say this is our uh president uh who are calling for forensic um investigation or forensic analysis of um the registration of voters by various political I'm not not actually targeting it to PCS because uh probably at the end of the day when we now do the mathematics we will have more registered voters than what we have as a total number of registered voters with INC because if APC is claiming 15 million now >> uh by the time NDC announce their own ADC announce their own PRP PDP you know we have about 20 or 21 I think there's a room for for for all this population in Nigeria because we are almost 230 million but not all are registered. But register not you cannot probably you can be a member of political party >> without being a qualified voter unless we take it from that that one the election the general election will determine you know I will tell us but as far as I'm concerned from now we are almost 230 million people in Nigeria and if you take maybe 14 or 15 million out of that uh there's still room for the ADC to claim what they want to claim and for NDC to claim what they want to claim and for PDP to claim whatever number they want to claim. So now are you satisfied or are you an advocate of this direct primary and then consensus whichever one uh I mean certain communities adopt do you think um they are not narrowing or exaggerating the numbers using these uh options for me I think to some extent I'm against consensus election because for me it will bring an intra party conflict and we have seen it happen in the recent um primaries that were held across the the country. Uh what I believe is that people should come out and do a direct primary whoever wins you know nobody than indirect primary is better than consensus for me.

[00:17:57]What about putting on a scale direct primary and indirect primary where you have delegates right indirect delegates which one is better?

[00:18:07]It is still for me I don't know much about party politics you know but as a scholar and as a citizen I believe a direct primary is better than anything because everybody is out to choose the person he or she wants just as we would yes because uh I don't see um interruptions with the general uh population. But when you are looking at um for example uh indirect where uh only certain group of people come you know you can co them to and channel them to where you want them to be you know and then consensus also you see people will sit down on the table and then they discuss and then they say yeah you become and then you become you know and then a lot of people look at it as if this is not fair but going direct I think is much better and much fairer to all. But are you not worried um with the um outcome of many of the primaries that after the consensus file they went for the direct primaries but then we saw uh the is it precisely officers or counters or whatever we call them. We say 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 50 51 15 52 53 78 before you know 500 1,000. Of course, there are allegations that uh some of those uh videos that we've seen flying all over as kids, but then one or two and some places with verifiable evidence that uh those serving with the responsibility actually betrayed the trust vested in them by you know u inflaming the the the figures. Whatever it is, sadly I think that has to do with the corruption that has eaten deep into the fabric of this country.

[00:20:17]I think I've interviewed uh one uh uh one of the politicians I can say from Adamawa state uh remember uh Richard uh Laosi and he told me we were discussing about corruption and he told me the day corruption dies Nigeria is finished.

[00:20:38]Nigeria will collapse. The day corruption dies, Nigeria will collapse.

[00:20:43]And he was being hyperbolic. He he wanted to pass a message. I I think he's passing a message because of the depth to which corruption has eaten deep into this country.

[00:20:56]>> Not looking at the people in higher position, but even at the man selling tomatoes in the market. That is corruption. Is corruption. So if you say an official of counts 1 2 3 and then say 100 I believe is official of the political I to monitor but I think that should they turn the brown eyes we know what is happening in the country. So what does this uh portend for our democracy if uh political parties are cutting corners right from the conduct of primaries during which they're supposed to now bring out the best among their contenders. I think it is time we start looking inwardly and start correcting some uh abnormalities within the political system within the political party. We have to look inward and try to correct a lot of things because people are coming into politics.

[00:22:03]People are joining parties with a mindset you know of getting rich quick you know and if that is it then I think we are not going anywhere.

[00:22:17]But the moment we sit back and we begin to look inwardly and then we begin to tell oursel the truth for the sake of our children and the next generation if we can make it right is going to be good for us in Nigeria. Otherwise I'm telling you a time will come in this country that you cannot just step out of your house without prayers and the APC which you have a sympathy for supposed to to set an example but what we are seeing now um should I call them disgruntled or members as who feel agreed that the system was not fair to them during the primaries and uh they have started leaving the uh APC in drops. Is this an inclusion within the APC? It's all uh I mean full that some members senior party members you know some of them governorship um aspirants we have such cases in let's >> we have it uh in plateau we have it in uh among many other places >> candidates saying they will seek for address even in candidates saying they will seek before address don't you think this will affect the purchase of the APC in one of my piece that I wrote I think I have frown at that and I said unless APC correct such abnormalities there's a tendency that they will lose a lot of people and these people that are going also for me uh I think they did not come into the party based on the party's ideology.

[00:24:23]>> Okay?

[00:24:24]>> They come in because they want to make something out of the party, not to contribute to the party because I believe if they are following ideology and not their selfinterest uh there's no need for them because something happened you now said you're going to leave you treated unfairly.

[00:24:44]Maybe you think I you think you have the right you secret speak out speak out show. Now let me tell you a lot of people call me a lot of people that um v for the house of representative house >> in my state.

[00:25:03]>> You know a lot of them call me but they're using WhatsApp. So, so I can't record them or I can't hold them but they expressing bitterness over what has happened you know but one thing I told them I said see if what you are claiming actually happened why don't you go out meet the media open up they said you don't know what is happening in this country I said I know but unless someone sacrifice we won't it to where we want to go.

[00:25:40]>> The fear that we don't want to sacrifice and speak out is what is making us to stay in the position where we are yesterday even today.

[00:25:51]By the time people begin to look at this thing and said no enough is enough. We want justice. We want the good things to happen.

[00:26:01]Then everyone will sit up and do the right thing in see opposition political parties ADC, NDC, PDP, PRP among others benefiting from this outrage within the party.

[00:26:19]they are not benefiting sir because the same thing that is happening within the APC is also what is happening within the other political party and this reminds me of an incident in I read it before uh that um was it a former governor or I think he came to the national assembly under the umbrella of APC right and then he lost >> now they said he went to PDP I He ADC.

[00:26:50]Yeah, ADC. And uh he has been uh voted out or outsmarted by another aspirant I think a union leader. He is unable he was unable to now get the ticket of um ADC also in in Cano. So uh now who should blame who in this uh configuration where people felt short change in ADC and then I mean in APC they move to another party the same you know unfortunate thing happened to them. So who will call the political class to order? So you left your own party going to another party. You want to go and displace somebody also from that party alone. This issue of all of things is is is a big issue within the political system itself.

[00:27:49]That is because people don't want to be true to themselves. For example, now Atuku left PDP and he moves to ADC and I recall one of my write up after they have to uh the city of Abuja and came back and celebrated David Mark they started fighting again you know and I wrote I say who actually holds the ticket you know because Amichi and >> I know because they could not sit you know and tell themselves the truth left of followed him was there and they still fighting over the ticket with Amichi.

[00:28:43]Tell me do you see those as leaders?

[00:28:48]Can you not leadership under circumstances? Yes, even in politics there is leadership.

[00:28:56]But don't you think but don't you think Dr. Don't you think their case is better when compared to what we have seen >> in APC? Um of course Timu then another person now bought the form for the presidency >> and what did we see almost all the states turn 100%.

[00:29:26]very few states that the other contender was able to now secure 1,000 votes there and in the end he he only got around 16,000 votes. Is this actually not a mockery of democracy? Why why do you think he even went into it? Is it not some forces within the APC that actually bought that form for this man to go and contest against Tinu? so that we can have a semblance of um primaries just the way you are now trying to show that okay APC is good whether parties are really not getting it right. Yes.

[00:30:06]Whatever happen, I think in politics, the strong always take it.

[00:30:13]Especially in the Nigerian cycle of politics where a lot of things played in the background, right?

[00:30:25]One thing that I can say here is that Tinibu Tinibu has been a leader is the president.

[00:30:36]and go into contact with somebody that perhaps is not known an obscured fellow you know definitely he would win. Why why is it that they didn't just go for affirmation just to gather at the uh conference center to now raise the hand of the president I said of course he has you know even the president has the right of refusal as you look at it there are critical minded people that the time they go for affirmation and contest did not happen a lot of things you could bring a lot of people to this studio and they will say a lot of things but Now they have gone into the primaries and he emerged and the person that lose did not come out to say that he did not disagree.

[00:31:25]So the man was trying to to actually accept defeat at the end of the day and he wanted to pave the way for the APC to test the waters. But the Nigerian will say no they have uh 15 million uh registered members 11 million have come out and voted during the primaries. So even if we see around 9 million or 10 million or 13 million in the general election, nobody will blame FC of rigging the election.

[00:31:55]At this at this point, there's no party that is rigging or not rigging. All of them all of them are playing internal politics for now. I think the general election by God's grace in February or January will tell because that time is the people that will come out. Therefore, whatever is happening within the political party now is an internal thing. It's just like in your house, whatever you decide with your family is okay by you and is okay by them. If they don't, it is still a family affairs.

[00:32:35]>> Yeah.

[00:32:35]>> But when you come out to play it, that is when we know because that is where we will know the truth of what is happening. But do you see the other political parties hopefully coming together at the end of the day? I mean after they finish the primaries, they have their presidential candidates and all that. Now they require I say okay um let's uh step down adopt one major political party with candidate B or candidate A so that we can now ask our supporters to go for that let's say anybody I don't want to call because we're not actually campaigning for anybody but we are trying to analyze you being you know a strategist a media scholar for that matter and then a journalist who has practiced it. Do you think something a chance can happen at the end of the day and even if it happen whether it will make any difference to the prospective success as you people put it of I wish that something like this could happen but I never see it happening because of the nature of people that we have within the political system. I always said that if we can come with one voice is for example the opposition party will come under one voice and speak with one voice they can achieve a lot.

[00:34:09]No. However, they formed a collision.

[00:34:13]They went to SDP. They formed a coalition. They went to ADC. They formed a collision. They went to Labor Party.

[00:34:20]They went to PDP. They went this and still they don't have a headway.

[00:34:28]So, it makes me to begin to imagine these people where did they come from?

[00:34:34]But they cannot sit down and agree and do one thing.

[00:34:37]>> Why do you think they they don't want to agree? is because of selfishness. Like I told you that the concept of politics for them is to struggle for selfdetermination only. They don't look at the country. They don't even have a political ideology.

[00:34:56]You know if you ask someone they don't even know what the blueprint they for they blame they tend to blame the ruling party. Why should you blame somebody outside when your house is on fire and that is and and and that person is not the one that set that house on fire. So you believe is actually not no extraneous factors. It is whether there is an external factor or not. this is your house. You have to sit down and said well even if somebody outside you know is bringing issues into your house you should be able to sit down with your wife and say Kai this house is ours let's not listen to that person let's do our thing the right way but by the time you give in to every kind of voices that comes in how will you settle you always fight you always quir you always have confusion And that is exactly where our political part is found.

[00:36:02]>> There is this theory that has started flying >> here and there you know before um we get to where we are now a few days back the window based on the timetable of election and all that window of some of the things we started seeing now was closed. But then we had the federal high court judgment that says um in doesn't have that powers to restrict or to put you know a cup as well when yeah all the political parties as to when to throw their candidates to withdraw or whatever apart from what is there in the electoral act where am I heading to allegations that APC the ruling party actually saw the trouble heading its way because uh it's members who still have ambition to to v for election were rigged out in some cases in some places they were forcefully ejected >> but then the laws put together by uh INC restricted them from moving elsewhere and then this uh m you know started to emerge that they will of course since they don't have anywhere to go they will remain within but then sabotage the party at the end of the day and therefore somehow I don't want to say the judiciary was compromised or whatever we had that new law that uh I mean dismantle all the checkpoints the road blocks the landmines put together by the INC time table. Have you heard of that?

[00:37:54]I do think it's true. Well, I've heard of that, but I'm yet to establish whether that is true or not because um I've been speaking to some politicians.

[00:38:11]>> Yes.

[00:38:11]>> Within and outside the APC uh some from ADC and then to look at this holistically.

[00:38:20]>> Yes. And they told me we need to call judgment. Yes.

[00:38:24]>> And they told me all this has to do with political calculations, you know. And I asked somebody why he said uh even him I think he need to adjust to that >> if it is happening because a lot of people comes with a lot of um mission in their mind.

[00:38:47]>> Yes.

[00:38:49]Some of these people are not coming just to contest but they are what we call political traders.

[00:38:58]They appear and disappear.

[00:39:01]>> You know they appear somewhere.

[00:39:03]>> They appear somewhere. You know we've seen the likes of them. I don't want to mention names. You know there are so many in politics that they are not coming actually for the goal.

[00:39:17]That is why you see these things happening. Yeah. But is it is it for good the the court judgment? Is it for good or you think if we didn't have this changes in the aftermath of the high court judgment maybe uh the atmosphere wouldn't have been charged as we we have it now. something happened before you take it to court. M >> and the court reserve the right now to pass a judgment whether in favor or not or against you depending on the load you carry there you know so we are waiting to see things are being unfold you know in before before January we will see a lot of things >> yes >> yeah but for now I always say that The opposition are yet to settle and election may come in maybe January or February depending >> you know whatever >> whatever happens. So if they are not settled now, how do they want to take up the ruling party?

[00:40:33]Because I've not seen ADC in a readiness position. Maybe the reason was we already have our two two factions with different leadership.

[00:40:43]>> It's because of the factions. It's because of the personal interest. You know, because of the faction is because of the interest.

[00:40:51]APC for now they're throwing their hands and watching because they have already you know gotten whoever already you know they have done their work they've done their work they done their homework and they just waiting you know if we say that means they have entered the other party and then >> but come out and face reality to go to court and say APC have entered our party and caused this and this damage and let the court instead of making short statement and all that. Nobody wants to come out and say they will just tell you ah you know it is the APC you know it's just like um whatever happens now people will say it's still because he's the president but there are things that you can do to prevent certain things from happening without waiting for to come and help you we need to go to that extent where we begin to think inwardly and make certain corrections.

[00:42:03]Right?

[00:42:06]I bought yam recently and the yan seller is telling me that it's tinu that cost it. I said how?

[00:42:19]He said everything has gone up. I said how? I said have you ever seen tinu? He said no. I said why are you blaming him?

[00:42:30]I said where do you where do you bring why can't you policies which policy affecting of course receiving his and you heing that you're blaming H you know how much you spend to get the fertilizer the seedlings the I mean insecticide and all that see when I came to Abuja I told myself one thing >> that I will farm at least to assist your family and I'm farming you know and I'm getting the food last year I get eight bags of rice so you didn't buy riceing Nigerians too there's an elephant in the APC see how Dr. James, um I want you to now comment on that.

[00:43:33]>> It is a certain matter now. Tinubu has got the ticket. Yeah. He's going to to contest. Do do you see him carrying Vice President Kashma along or he's going to drop the vice president?

[00:43:50]I wrote an article just a few days ago that I captured it. Shativa is the soul of TDU's ticket.

[00:44:01]And so many people that call ask me does it mean that the government cannot do without Chatino and my answer to that is yes.

[00:44:15]Inu himself I found it yesterday because he said the journey so far has been challenging.

[00:44:25]No, but Kashim Shhatima's you know part in this journey is commendable. You are paraphrasing what he said.

[00:44:36]>> Yes. and he turns to Kashim Chashima and say Kashim Chhativa thank you very much for Tibu as the president to recognize all the effort that the vice president has been putting in making sure that Nigeria moves you know you can't change a winning team and I so believe that the greatest mistake will do is to step down.

[00:45:09]>> But but there is this claim as you are a Christian.

[00:45:12]>> Yes.

[00:45:13]>> With all courtesy. Uh many Christians believe that the ticket >> isn't fair that there should be a Christian running m uh in the in the project. Well, someone asked me um whether I'm comfortable with the Muslim Muslim ticket in 2023.

[00:45:39]>> Okay.

[00:45:39]>> And I told you yes I am because I've never seen uh religion in politics from Ghana. I've never seen religion in politics. Politics is politics and religion is religion. So if you are looking at religion within a politics and that is your own problem I supported right defend the vice president K because I know him we've come a long way he was governor belonged you remember we were together there he has been our boss our and our leader.

[00:46:26]So for me knowing this man to some extent I know that he's the type of leader Nigeria wants at this time and to be fair to him we can see how he has been traveling crisscrossing this country and making sure things move.

[00:46:51]We call chilibu baba and of course baba but don't you think that will be vot now in the event we have um ob um conco ticket you know and uh what have you whether you think there will be uh some protest votes it has not happened demography in in Nigeria it has not happened in 2023 when we almost think that Nigeria will break up and at that time we actually feel something like that and it did not break. What would make it to break now?

[00:47:30]But those of you that are sympathetic to to the project, uh what do you think Nigerians will will feel because those in APC are everyday hammering claiming that they have delivered dividends of democracy. Even the president said it.

[00:47:47]He said okay he removed subsidy. No regret about that. Uh but he feels that he has fulfilled the promises he made including on electricity. I was shocked when I saw the president uh saying that u of course they have made some arrangement uh is it three trillion to settle some obligations and all that all. Don't you think that these are wishful thinking? Nigerians are looking for electricity without >> I don't know I mean this issue of B A B C and whatever I don't know about that claim however what I can tell you as a scholar is that no government has ever completed everything APC are living by its own ideology of progressive I can't say they are not doing anything.

[00:48:46]There are 101 thing I can show that these are works that were done under this administration because I have been reporting this every day from day one.

[00:49:01]>> I know a lot of things has been achieved but not all has been achieved. And whoever is claiming that everything has been achieved, I don't think that is coming from the leadership of this country. So there are a lot of works to be done. There are a lot of works to be done, but a lot has been achieved.

[00:49:20]>> All right. Thank you very much Dr. James Ba media scholar, strategist and practitioner teacher at the department of journalism and media studies behind university for coming to the program and for putting context to the aftermath of the APC primary elections across the country. We hope to have you some other time. Thank you very much. I hope so.

[00:49:41]And yes, that's a wrap for today's part of Daily Politics. Join us tomorrow for another interesting edition of the program. From here, I'm Hamz saying good night.