Should Kids Be Allowed At Pride Parades?

[00:00:00]Should kids be allowed at, um, Pride festivals?

[00:00:03]>> Yes.

[00:00:05]>> There's evidence and common opinion to say that there is nudity, partial or otherwise, kink culture, um, adult content at these events. Is that age-appropriate for children?

[00:00:17]>> I think it would be very dependent on what you're defining those terms as, but yes. Kids run around naked all the time.

[00:00:25]>> If someone was to expose themselves on [music] the street to a child, should they be arrested?

[00:00:30]>> Yes.

[00:00:32]>> [snorts] >> Common sense. If someone at If someone at Pride parade exposed themselves to a child, should they be arrested?

[00:00:39]>> If a person that is not covered up walks up to a child and exposes them, then yes, they should be arrested. But if it's a parade environment where people are expressing themselves and being their full person, and there's going to be nudity nudity and a parent can decide whether they can take their child there.

[00:00:56]If you're taking your child to an event where you think there's going to be nudity, you're not then going to be like, "Oh, someone's exposed my like themselves to my child." Like, no.

[00:01:04]That's not going to happen.

[00:01:05]>> Last but not least, Pride has developed over the last 50 years, arguably, incredibly so.

[00:01:12]>> 100. 50.

[00:01:14]>> Is Yeah. Is Is there any argument to say that Pride is now normalized and legitimized for certain people, certain demographics, with ulterior motives and concerns specifically with children at these parades?

[00:01:27]>> I think that people are trying to use Pride as a argument for protecting children.

[00:01:35]If you're really worried about protecting children, like taking them to a Pride festival is not really like the thing that you should be deciding on what is protecting them or not.

[00:01:47]>> Should kids be allowed at, um, Pride festivals?

[00:01:50]>> Yes.

[00:01:51]>> Should kids be allowed at Pri- Pride parades?

[00:01:54]>> Definitely. Totally. 100% yes.

[00:01:56]>> Everyone should be allowed.

[00:01:56]>> Everyone should be allowed. Okay, cool.

[00:01:58]Just imagine I don't >> as they're celebrating and not protesting.

[00:02:02]>> Sure. Sure. Just imagine I've never I've never been, for example. Just for argument's sake, say I've never been.

[00:02:07]>> It's going to be fun.

[00:02:08]>> Okay.

[00:02:09]Um Okay, cool.

[00:02:12]A lot of the feedback from the the culture at parade is that there's a lot of uh kink culture. Is that the word kink culture?

[00:02:18]>> the word.

[00:02:18]>> There's um nudity, whether it's partial or full. I don't depends on which part of the world you're in, I suppose. I don't know. Um adult content. Is that age-appropriate for children?

[00:02:30]>> That's a very good question.

[00:02:30]>> In gen- in ge- in general.

[00:02:32]>> Yeah.

[00:02:33]I think it depends on what context, right? I don't think nudity is a bad thing at all. And I don't think that exposure to certain kinks is a bad thing at all, either. It's just a part of our world and a part of the conversation you need to have with your children at some point. So, I think it's always appropriate, depending on the the context that you're going to, you know, provide them with.

[00:02:54]>> If someone must have exposed themselves to children on the on the street, should they be arrested?

[00:03:00]>> Totally.

[00:03:01]>> In general.

[00:03:02]>> Exposing me like during pride, you mean?

[00:03:05]>> no. On the street.

[00:03:06]In general.

[00:03:07]Any part of the world, any country.

[00:03:09]Whatever the law is.

[00:03:13]>> That's a very tricky question because it depends on their mental state. If they're mentally unstable and they're not aware of what they're doing, >> Which they probably would be if they were doing that, right?

[00:03:21]>> Well, maybe not. What if they're just walking down the street nude?

[00:03:24]>> Mhm.

[00:03:24]>> They're exposing themselves to children, but if they're unwell, then they might not necessarily get They shouldn't get arrested. They should be taken care of in a different way.

[00:03:32]>> What are your thoughts?

[00:03:34]Context. It's all in context.

[00:03:36]>> really depends on context. Obviously, if you go to like nudity beach with your child and you're like, you know, you're teaching your child to be like comfortable in your body, and that's the place to do it, then obviously not.

[00:03:48]If it's in the context of like day-to-day life on the streets, then questionable, definitely questionable.

[00:03:53]And I think you know, I wouldn't want my child to like if I would not be ready to like expose my child for that, I would not be happy with it. And I think in that context, on the streets, people should be arrested.

[00:04:07]>> Okay, so same question at Pride. If anyone at Pride was to adult performer or I don't know how it works, but in terms of someone who's actually not a participant at Pride, but >> Yeah.

[00:04:16]>> I don't know how it works, but if someone was at Pride and they expose themselves, should they be arrested?

[00:04:21]>> What do you mean by non-participant?

[00:04:23]>> If there's a Is there a procession or something like that? A a performer.

[00:04:27]If anyone or anyone >> A performer, which kind of performers though? There there can be so many. I'm not sure I understand the question.

[00:04:33]>> Any any any any performers. If anyone expose themselves to a child at a parade a a Pride parade >> expose themselves to a child, do you mean a child just happens to see them nude or you mean goes up to the child, invites them to look at them nude? Cuz that's a very different >> See, that you can give an answer for both.

[00:04:50]Either.

[00:04:50]>> Well, my perception to nudity is nudity is normal. I grew up with the the concept of, you know, there's nothing wrong with being nude.

[00:04:59]>> Mhm.

[00:05:00]>> Um coming from a European family that were very open.

[00:05:04]So, I think if if you just so happen to be nude, it's different story than if you go up and you try to expose yourself in a sexual way, right?

[00:05:15]>> But if a man, whatever, was or female, was to expose deliberately in front of targeted, if I'm hearing that right, that would be different.

[00:05:23]>> Yeah, I I would feel like that's a different context.

[00:05:26]>> Would they need to be arrested if they did that?

[00:05:29]>> That is not up to me. That is up to the law, and the laws are different. Yeah, and then my you know, laws often don't apply Laws are often not There's no What's the word I'm looking for? There is Laws are very, you know, this equals this, right? But there is context again in everything. So, whether they should get arrested in that scenario, again, there should be many decisions involved.

[00:05:55]>> because people keep talking about gays exposing themselves, gay people, but at the same time, people don't talk enough about gay people actually being targeted by lots of people that are super aggressive, you know?

[00:06:07]>> Should kids be allowed at pride parades?

[00:06:10]>> Yes.

[00:06:12]>> Why?

[00:06:13]>> Uh because children also should see that there's diversity. Like, if you ask me about this, I'm doing my thesis on teaching kids about pride.

[00:06:24]So, yeah. I'm I feel like they should know everything about it.

[00:06:28]>> So, at these prides, so obviously we we take both sides of the argument into play, and um we see a lot of images of uh you'll have seen this as well, scantily clad men and women, >> Yes.

[00:06:37]>> and a lot of nudity, and a lot of exposure, kink culture, as well, a lot of adult culture.

[00:06:45]So, is that an appropriate place for kids to be in at these pride parades?

[00:06:50]>> I I think it is it is. I think we're trying to figure out what the parade should be. So, I feel like it should like fight for our rights, and it should also show things that kids can see, and I feel like it should there should be a third part for like maybe the more adult things. Yeah, I feel like if the law tells you not to get naked any day of the year, then don't get naked on pride day. But also like >> I think that's that's No, that that's interesting. So, I think that's my question. What's the difference between a grown man like myself exposing myself to a child, for example, and pride festivals, based on what we've just explained? What's the difference? Should they be arrested?

[00:07:27]>> No.

[00:07:27]>> They shouldn't?

[00:07:28]>> N- No, because I I mean, I don't know, maybe I haven't seen all of the pride parades, but I've never seen full nudity.

[00:07:35]>> Sure.

[00:07:35]>> Like, you can see people dressed with not a lot of clothes, but like the things that have to be covered, I've always seen them covered. So, you go to the beach and you see the people like almost naked. So, to me it's the same because I've never seen anyone fully naked. If people get fully naked, I don't know about that, but I haven't seen it.

[00:07:53]>> So, you're saying sorry, this is this is last question. This is a key part of the conversation. So, you're saying that as long as it's not full nudity at pride parades, but we've we've already agreed that there is scantily clad kink culture. There is there is clearly a lot of uh flesh on display at family-friendly as branded as family-friendly events if I'm not incorrect there.

[00:08:16]Is there any difference between that and children experiencing that and a man choosing to flash or expose himself to children? Is there any difference?

[00:08:25]>> Yeah, there is a big difference to me.

[00:08:27]In my opinion, there's a huge difference. Like >> What's the difference?

[00:08:30]>> Well, one thing is you see somebody like you can maybe expect a a bit more nudity. The same way you'd expect something on like I don't know another festival. You'd expect certain things. You can expect someone to maybe wear less less clothes on a pride parade. But you as a parent or as a family member should be the one who tells the difference. But I don't think I think they're two different debates and mixing them is kind of could like be close to homophobia. So, I don't want to mix them together.

[00:09:02]>> the what's the debate when you say the two different debates? Child So, one one debate is child safety.

[00:09:07]When you say there's two debates, which which >> No, one debate is whether people should be getting naked anywhere. And then there's pride. Like for pride, there's a certain context and a certain thing that's happening and things that happen surrounding it. And maybe somebody to show their pride, they need to wear less clothes one day. That's one thing and I feel like on Friday, it's there's a parade and you know that's going to happen. But any day of the year, don't get naked in front of a kid. But also what I said earlier >> the difference? That's the interesting I think that people want to know about is what's to convince people of this, what's the difference?

[00:09:42]>> I don't think >> Not my opinion, just what what's the >> Yeah, no, because like you You don't get fully naked on pride.

[00:09:48]>> No, but it's about I'm not not I'm not saying that anyone's getting I hope not. I hope not. But um in the context of it being family-friendly, I think that's the context here. I mean you you I presume you've been to festival pride festivals.

[00:10:00]>> Yeah. And I anything I mean I think it's the It's the parents that have to choose.

[00:10:09]And I don't think it's not a family event. And I feel like sexualizing the thing like making the kids think that's sexual is even worse.

[00:10:18]Like if you see somebody naked or not fully clothed, that's fine.

[00:10:22]But like I do think there's a difference and if you like if people don't want to see it, they're not going to see it, but there is a difference. Very clear whether you're showing your pride and expressing who you are or just like getting naked and making it sexual when it shouldn't be.

[00:10:36]>> Is it appropriate for kids to attend pride festival, pride parade?

[00:10:41]>> Yes, I think it is because it's 2023 and our things are changing.

[00:10:45]Um I know a lot of people have issues with that sort of community in this day and age. Um but I just don't think you should try and hide your children from it. I think you should be very open to them knowing about what's going on. Um they're going to see it regardless and I think it's about embracing people that are different than us. So, yeah, it's no problem.

[00:11:04]>> Uh these parades, there's there's nudity partial and otherwise.

[00:11:08]>> Yeah.

[00:11:09]>> What is nudity? Okay, fine. Partial pretty much. Uh kink culture.

[00:11:13]>> Yeah.

[00:11:13]>> Adult culture.

[00:11:14]>> Yeah.

[00:11:14]>> Yeah. Do you think this is appropriate appropriate content for children?

[00:11:20]>> For me, it very it does depend. It does depend. Um it depends on what sort of parent you are. To be honest with if I had kids, you know, obviously some people might take offense to it because they're like oh or don't have kids or young, but if I had kids for me, like I said, it's about trying get them to open up to things and not just be close-minded. If some parent doesn't like, you know, their kids being exposed to nudity, that's fair enough.

[00:11:44]That is that is completely fair enough and you should respect everybody's, you know, opinions. Uh but for me, I think I think there's nothing wrong with it. If a kid wants to go and is interested in that sort of community, let them let them experience that, let them know a bit more about that. There's no point of saying no to children uh cuz regardless, behind their back they're going to go and try find out about things like this, aren't they? So, it's it's it's happening everywhere in this day and age, so >> If someone if someone exposes themselves to a child on the street, should they be arrested?

[00:12:13]>> Yeah, 100%.

[00:12:15]>> If they expose them if someone at a pride festival exposes themselves to a child, should they be arrested?

[00:12:23]>> Yes. Yes.

[00:12:25]>> Should kids be allowed at pride festivals?

[00:12:28]>> Yes, I think they should.

[00:12:29]>> We know there's scantily clad men and men and women and we know that there's uh an autistic autistic scene there as well.

[00:12:38]Um kink culture.

[00:12:41]>> Okay. Didn't quite realize they were there, but okay.

[00:12:44]>> I think that's the expression of kink culture. Just general adult Do you know Do you know what I mean? Just general adult culture. So, if if someone if someone was to expose themselves to a child, you and I are reasonable people on the street, we'd want them arrested.

[00:12:59]>> Yes.

[00:13:00]>> Do men and women expose themselves to children at pride parades?

[00:13:05]>> I don't know.

[00:13:05]>> If they were to >> Yeah.

[00:13:07]>> should they be arrested?

[00:13:08]>> Yeah.

[00:13:09]Same as everybody else.

[00:13:11]>> It's the same it's the same thing.

[00:13:12]>> Yeah.

[00:13:13]>> Is there any argument or defense of that pride festivals have once what they were, now they've actually become legitimized spaces for certain people to expose themselves to children?

[00:13:25]Legitimized spaces for that.

[00:13:29]>> You mean do they do they think that they can >> Whatever they're into. Whatever they're into. Again, compared with 20 years ago, compared with 5 years ago, cuz we see there's a flag everywhere in London at the moment. Look at Regent Street.

[00:13:40]That's not a pride flag, that's a trans progressive inclusive flag. And there's massive problems there with women's rights and women's spaces in in terms of the debate.

[00:13:49]>> Yeah.

[00:13:49]>> So, what do you think? Do you think that perhaps What's your opinion? Has pride legitimized the exposing of of of adult males potentially females to children?

[00:13:58]>> No.

[00:13:59]>> No?

[00:13:59]>> No, I I don't think that.

[00:14:01]They shouldn't be doing that.

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