Trump and MAGA Just CRUSHED The 'Woke Right'... Bye Bye.

Added: 2026-05-22

[00:00:09]Gabe Gman, it is so wonderful to have you on the show. Before we jump into anything because I know that my audience, I mean, many of them will know you, but those who don't will fall in love with you. Where can we watch you, see you, follow you?

[00:00:23]>> So, Aaron, thanks for having me on your show again. I think this is my second time on your show. You've been on mine.

[00:00:28]Uh, I'm based in Miami at Gabe Groceman.

[00:00:31]You can follow me on social media. We have Standpoint with Gabe Groceman. I'm kind of all over the place involved in politics, Republican consultant and strategist and uh do the podcast whenever whenever I can. Uh, but there's so much to keep up with and uh you do such a great job. I I'm so happy to have been invited.

[00:00:48]>> Oh, bless you. Right back at you. Well, let's talk about a big win for well dependent on which side of the Republicans you you consider yourself to be. uh Massie ousted, not just kind of scraping over the line by his opponent, but an emphatic win by Ed.

[00:01:04]>> Yeah, it's unbelievable. This is a race that's been watched uh was being watched all over the country. I did an interview for Politico about it last week that was the most expensive primary race uh in the history of the country, which is incredible for a small district in Kentucky. But for your viewers to understand um who this guy is or now we can say was Thomas Massie. Um he's me the most the most outlandish extreme far-right uh member of Congress period.

[00:01:34]A lot of people in the Jewish community know him as the biggest anti-semite in Congress on the Republican side. Uh that's true. But it wasn't just that. He was against everything the Republican party did. He was uh ended up being a big enemy of President Trump himself. um against so many initiatives including the one big one big beautiful bill which was the president's signature initiative this year. He uh JD Vance our vice president called him the uh the congressman no because he would just say no to everything. But really he was far worse than that. He was far worse than that. He was the personification of the horseshoe theory, right? The far right and the far left joining hands um on so many of the worst issues in our society.

[00:02:12]And he was that example of that for the Republicans. So yeah, he lost by over 10 points in a primary. Money poured in from all over the country to this small district in Kentucky. And it really showed a lot. It showed that the Republican party does not stand for what he stands for, which is incredible.

[00:02:29]>> It was so reassuring. And I made that exact point. You, you know, it's easy for him to get up and blame the Jews essentially for his loss rather than self-reflect on the fact that he's been ahorrent for a long long time on a million other issues, not just this one.

[00:02:42]But the comments, the lack of class where he says, "Oh, I couldn't find him in Tel Aviv talking about Ed Gallerin. I mean, there's low and and then there's just disgusting and abhorent." And that was that comment did exactly what he had wanted it to do, which was just display his gross anti-semitism and and his hate and his complete inability to self-reflect.

[00:03:04]>> Yeah. I came at the the same day that a Democratic candidate for Congress from Texas said that she wanted to change an immigration facility in Texas into an interament camp for Jewish Zionists. So, I mean, this is that's when I talk about the the far right and the far left sounding the same. I was actually have a different approach than most people. I was glad to hear him say that uh in his speech because it proved the point. And yes, it wasn't he wasn't just anti-Trump, anti-Republican party, anti- everything the party was trying to accomplish, but he was an anti-semite.

[00:03:35]He didn't see he would always say he's he's an isolationist. He's a budget hawk, but but he voted against things like protecting Jewish students at universities against anti-semitism. And this isn't about one vote or two votes or three votes. It was every single time against what the mainstream of the party was. He was what you call a thorn in your side for the entire party. No one knew that we could really beat him because small districts in Kentucky, they get to vote, no one else does. But it turns out that if you can get the message out and that's what the money does. Remember, when you pour money into a congressional race, all it does is it gives the candidates the ability to get their message out into people's computers and living rooms and cell phones, right? So, you get the message out of El Gowin, Ed Gowin, I'm sorry, who won, uh, and say, "Look, there is an alternative here. you're not stuck with Thomas Massie and the people of that district, the fourth district I believe of Kentucky spoke and said even here we agree with the mainstream of the Republican party.

[00:04:30]>> You're right. It was almost the most honest thing to come out of his mouth, wasn't it? At the end there for Massie.

[00:04:35]And another great point, there's a lot of talk about money. You mentioned the historic amount of money that was invested into what was otherwise a very small occasion, but it doesn't buy votes. All it does is put your message in front of people. They then need to resonate with that message and it needs to make them feel something and it needs to, you know, which is all that money did. Moving forward, Iran, where do you see we we're told by Donald Trump that we're kind of on a knife's edge here that everything is locked and loaded, ready to go. Some of the Arab states have asked him to hold off and he said he'll do that for two or three days. I can't see any other option other than the return to military action. What's your thoughts?

[00:05:15]>> Trump is stuck between a rock and a hard place. Uh it's clear that the president is not uh doesn't really want to go back into war. If not, he would have already.

[00:05:23]He continues to go back to the negotiating table with the Iranian regime. The United States's position doesn't change. Stop stop enriching uranium. Give us what you have. Stop arming your proxies. Stop development of intercontinental ballistic missiles.

[00:05:38]Right? Basically, leave the world alone is all he's asking for. Right? And and they're not going to do it. And he keeps giving them chance after chance. What's interesting, I like to say, I was speaking to different folks in Israel today, and in Israel, who is really at the front line of this war with Iran, they they hear the drums of war uh beating over and over. They think that it's happening any day of the week. Uh I can tell you that here in the United States, I was in the White House on Friday and on Thursday as well in Washington and other offices, and people are not really talking about this war.

[00:06:11]People are talking about the negotiations. People are talking about how are we going to get out of this? are they going to stop? You know, finally we're going to get them to bend. Uh but it's not what people are thinking in Israel and in the region who actually take the brunt of of Iran's attacks, obviously. So, they have a different approach. So, we'll we'll have to see. I agree with you. I don't think Iran's going to going to agree to any deal. If they do, they're not going to keep it.

[00:06:34]The president is going to have to uh finish what he started.

[00:06:38]>> That's the issue, isn't it, here? And it's not like you're dealing with legitimate leadership that that have a vested interest in say the prosperity of their people. They don't. The these these are terrorists who are evil and and essentially long for something that that is unimaginable to most of us. They don't fear destruction and death like normal people. And nothing they say, do or agree to. You you couldn't trust or you know you wouldn't touch with a 10ft pole. So how how does it end? Even if there is a deal, the likelihood of it ever being honored by them is less than zero.

[00:07:10]>> Yeah. Unless the United States and its allies are able to remove the enriched uranium from Iran itself with their own hands, take it out of there, take control of those fields, take control of those factories, etc. They're not going to do it. Iran's not going to do it themselves. Much like when we talk about whether Hamas is going to disarm voluntarily or involuntarily, they're not going to do it voluntarily.

[00:07:33]nothing's going to change. Um, so the real question is whether Iran's going to try to or going to be able to, they're clearly trying, whether they're going to be able to get the United States to sign some sort of deal where the US can hope that Iran will uh will keep to it, right, and behave the right way and then delay the further war. I can tell you that in Israel, the voices I'm speaking to there, and I've got many sources there, everybody there from right to left is actually eager to get back into war. They want to finish this. uh they didn't go to war with Iran and withbalah and with kamas and with the Houthis just to leave it half done. But the Israelis were upset today at Trump's comment saying that the Israel is not going to do anything without uh without my approval. That's what Trump said today.

[00:08:18]Uh so obviously people there were very upset about that statement. But Trump is trying to make this deal happen. To be able to make this deal happen, he has to show he has control of his allies. So, it's a tough situation and it's one that we all have to keep watching with baited breath.

[00:08:32]>> I don't envy him. What do they say? You take Trump seriously, but not necessarily literally. And I think, you know, we've we've all got to remind ourselves that often. I look at this regime change and I understand the US's um the panic uh that often follows that given what happened in Iraq, Afghanistan, there's been absolute failures there. It's not the same situation in Iran as we know. And I can't help but think, you know, you look at it's not just that if this regime were to topple and the people of Iran take back their nation, I know it's not that simple, but anything that can be done to help that occur. And I know that the economic warfare has continued and that they're struggling to pay their fighters and this all helps. But I don't know how Americans can't see that not only would you then remove the the threat that has American blood on its hands and will continue to try and kill Americans and funds all the proxies that do the dirty work, but you would also then inherit an ally that China wouldn't have, that Russia wouldn't have. Like like the carrot is just so incredible.

[00:09:37]Yet I don't think every day Americans see it that way.

[00:09:41]>> Yeah, that's absolutely right. Most days we don't see it that way here here in our country. And it's hard to sometimes when it's an oceans away, right? It's an ocean away. We It doesn't impact our lives on a day-to-day basis unless you're really paying attention. And these days, news cycles are so fast, right? Every day there's a new issue.

[00:09:57]Today in Miami, people are celebrating rightly about the indictments of Rahul Castro in Cuba. That's the biggest issue here. No one's thinking here in the political circles about Iran for a day.

[00:10:08]Although, of course, it's very connected, right? All of this is interconnected. I think there we have to remember there's two very distinct goals in the war. One is military, right? Is to remove the military capabilities of Iran or at least degrade them to a level where they cannot uh pose a threat to the free world. And the two second side is the political the political goals and the political goal is for there to be regime regime change and I'm using the passive voice on purpose, right? It's not to cut not to change the regime ourselves, the United States or Israel or any other allies, but it's to create the conditions for there to be a regime regime change. The time the the days of sending in troops to try to change a regime ourselves are over. I think uh they they died with Obama's presidency with so many failures in the region then. Uh but listen, only the Iranian people can do that and like you said, it's a very complex problem that we don't we in the in the United States don't want to buy, right? So as long as we can disarm them, take away their nuclear weapons, take away their nuclear or their nuclear capability to make nuclear weapons and their enriched uranium, uh get them to stop funding their terror proxies around the world, then that's a huge win.

[00:11:17]>> Just finally, you mentioned Cuba. So the re give me an insight into the reaction particularly where you are.

[00:11:24]>> Listen, this is a a holiday here in South Florida where the m the majority of of the Cuban exile lives. I grew up here. My family's from Argentina, but in Miami, everybody's from Latin America.

[00:11:34]And there's the the heartbeat of Miami is the Cuban community. And be to be able to have a step forward towards another huge step forwards towards liberating the people of Cuba, the island of Cuba, from this horrible dictatorship that has caused nothing but equal misery for people for since 1960 has not stopped. It's only gotten worse.

[00:11:55]And to really now see finally justice start being served against the Castro family is just the beginning. People are waiting to see what's next. We know that Secretary Marco Rubio, whose family is Cuban as well, um has his eye on Cuba, rightfully so. Finally, the United States is paying attention to this and we're hoping uh we I think the broader community here in South Florida and across the country that we can finally reach the end of what began this horrible quote unquote revolution that began in the early 60s with Fidel Castro. we can finally put an end to it and that's really an the end to the cold war because it had a big piece of the Cold War and just send a clear message just like the Massie to tie to what you were saying just like the Massie defeat is sending a clear message to the woke right that there's no place for you in the Republican party the defeat and the ultimate fall of the Castro regime in Cuba will send a message to socialists across Latin America that your time is up.

[00:12:52]>> Love it. Uh Gabe, you're brilliant.

[00:12:54]Thank you so so much for joining me. Uh, such an honor to have you on and look forward to the next time already.

[00:12:59]>> Thanks, Aaron. Always available for you.

[00:13:02]>> You are a legend. Okay, midnight. Let's do it. Think that through. You'll regret it with the time zone.