Social Worker Kills Her Roommate, Then Calmly Goes to Burger King for Her Shift

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[00:00:00]There's blood on the washer and dryer.

[00:00:03]>> I didn't see any blood on the washer and dryer.

[00:00:06]>> Well, is this conveniently not seen or?

[00:00:09]>> No, it's dark in there.

[00:00:12]>> This is Roxan Buck. Her roommate Michelle Johnson is dead.

[00:00:17]>> Okay. Okay. Like I said, we searched your car. We searched the whole apartment. Okay. We found your books in the car. The ones you said you were reading, okay, that were in your apartment and they had blood on.

[00:00:33]Okay. The towel in your back had blood on it. It's not fresh blood, but you could tell was louder.

[00:00:41]>> She doesn't know what detectives have already found.

[00:00:45]>> There was blood drops in the garage. You weren't here to leave.

[00:00:48]>> I know it.

[00:00:50]>> But your footprint is in the blood drops, so you can walk through the pond.

[00:00:55]Okay.

[00:00:57]>> How do you explain that?

[00:00:58]>> It's dark out there. I don't know where I was stepping.

[00:01:01]>> 5 days earlier in Stow, Ohio, a welfare check led to a homicide investigation.

[00:01:08]Michelle Johnson was 21 years old. She lived in a small house on Maple Park Drive in Stow, Ohio with her dog and a roommate she had only known for about 6 months. Her mother, Diane, lived 10 minutes away. They spoke often. On Friday afternoon, March 14th, 2014, Michelle told her roommate she was having people over that night. She said it casually. It was her house, her plans, her weekend. She never had the night.

[00:01:40]>> Uh, so tell me about your relationship with Diane and Michelle. How did you guys hook up?

[00:01:46]>> Um, Diane is Bill's my son's father's cousin.

[00:01:51]and a long long time ago.

[00:01:53]>> Son's >> my son's my son's father's cousin.

[00:01:56][music] >> So, Bill?

[00:01:58]>> Yes.

[00:02:00]>> It is Diana's cousin. [music] >> Yes.

[00:02:06]>> And I met her then and then I met her again when I got married the third time.

[00:02:12]Um, she even came to our house in the country once and I hadn't really seen her for years, but [music] we kept in touch via phone and then by Facebook.

[00:02:22]>> Who's your third?

[00:02:24]>> Wesley. Wesley.

[00:02:29]>> And when did you uh how did you hook up with Diana again?

[00:02:34]>> She came back from Florida. She divorced. Um, all of a sudden you on the phone. I hadn't even seen her in years by that time. Um, and then she was staying with someone and it wasn't working out. She said she got an apartment, but she lost her job with an accident. Um, she was driving a wheelchair ambulance or something. Um, and she knew that I was in a bad neighborhood and she said, "Love in with me and share half the room." She says she's probably going to Florida for a few weeks anyway to visit with her ex-husband. 6 months later, the arrangement was about to end. Diane had told Buck to be out by the end of March.

[00:03:13]Buck would describe her reaction to that news as quote happy.

[00:03:17]>> Diane said that there had been an issue about you being kicked out or she wanted you to leave at the end of the month.

[00:03:23]>> No, that actually I'm happy about.

[00:03:25]>> Okay. Tell me a little bit about that.

[00:03:27]What was she owed you or you owed her money or >> I don't owe her money anymore.

[00:03:32]I always pay my debt. um was late, but I paid them.

[00:03:36]>> Uhhuh.

[00:03:37]>> Um she knew about the cracking.

[00:03:39]>> Okay.

[00:03:40]>> Because I was late.

[00:03:41]>> Before we go inside that interview room, here is what the detectives knew. Blood on Michelle's books. The books Buck had grabbed off her own nightstand to take to her shift at Burger King. Blood on a towel inside her gym bag. Blood inside her car. Blood on the bottoms of her shoes. Blood drops in the garage with Buck's footprint inside them. Blood paw prints up the stairs from the dog Buck had locked in Michelle's room. A neighbor who saw Buck in the backyard Saturday morning chasing the dog. And one more thing, a knife missing from the kitchen butcher block.

[00:04:22]>> Okay. Like I said, we searched your car.

[00:04:25]We searched the whole apartment. Okay.

[00:04:28]We found your books in the car. The ones you said you were reading. Okay, that were in your apartment and they had blood on.

[00:04:37]Okay, the towel in your back had blood on it. It's not fresh blood, but you could tell it was water. And that's what the crime uh PCI people do. They have chemicals, they have everything to test that stuff. All that stuff went to the lab.

[00:04:56]>> Okay.

[00:04:58]>> There was a pop can in your car. Buck has an explanation for all of it. She is about to share it. Watch the first 3 minutes. Buck is being read her rights.

[00:05:09]She is not under arrest. She came in voluntarily. Her body language right now is the baseline we will measure everything else against.

[00:05:18]>> She's She's been around.

[00:05:20]>> She's I would have just taken scissors.

[00:05:22]I've never paid to get stitches out in my life.

[00:05:27]>> Uh we've been here before, but >> [snorts] >> common policy is to have read your rights. Again, uh just so you know, you're you're not under arrest right now, but we still want to make sure you know uh that you had your rights and you know, you could stop talking to us anytime you want to.

[00:05:46]>> You know, I didn't get that till 1:00 in the morning Saturday, right? [snorts] >> This I read it to you at around 1:00.

[00:05:52]Yeah.

[00:05:52]>> Yeah, I understand that.

[00:05:53]>> Okay. Uh it was one of those nights where there was so much going on.

[00:05:59]Unfortunately, >> you you >> haven't had a situation like this since 2002, >> right?

[00:06:07]>> Like standing.

[00:06:09]>> You have the right to remain silent.

[00:06:10]Anything you say can or will be used against you in a court of law. You have the right to talk to a with a attorney and have one uh and have your attorney present while you are being questioned.

[00:06:22]If you cannot afford to hire be appointed warning questioning and you can decide at any time to exercise these rights and not answer any question to make any statement. You understand that?

[00:06:33]>> Yes, sir.

[00:06:35]>> Watch what she does next.

[00:06:38]>> Excuse me if I'm a little shaky, but my brother couldn't find my blood pressure pills when he picked up my thing. So, >> Oh, okay.

[00:06:43]>> I haven't had them for a while.

[00:06:45]Retention.

[00:06:47]Were they in the house or >> Yeah, >> they were probably the bathroom, >> but he was in such a rush.

[00:06:59]>> Well, I I was helping him look for some things while we were in there, but I think he grabbed everything out of >> Yeah, I barely take them anyway. I should cuz it spikes to 207 over 107 before.

[00:07:15]I think you're going to you your sister-in-law volunteered to come.

[00:07:18]>> She did. I told her not to. Okay.

[00:07:23]>> They don't know about the drug.

[00:07:24][clears throat] >> Okay.

[00:07:25]>> Three pieces of information in the first 3 minutes. Her hands are shaking. She explains it. Her blood pressure is high.

[00:07:33]She explains that her family does not know she uses crack. She volunteers that each piece is delivered before any question that might require it. But let's let's start with a little bit of history. Okay. Tell us about yourself.

[00:07:50]Where where'd you grow up? Where were you born?

[00:07:52]>> I grew up in Florida.

[00:07:53]>> Okay.

[00:07:54]>> Mostly um born in California.

[00:07:56]>> Oh, okay.

[00:07:57]>> Parents moved to Jersey. Moved to Florida in 70.

[00:08:02]>> I 74.

[00:08:05]>> Orlando.

[00:08:07]Moved to the VA when I was 16. Cocoa Beach.

[00:08:12]I would have graduated class of 87, but I quit to help my parents pay bills cuz back in the 80s it was acceptable. Um, married three times.

[00:08:22]>> Okay. Uh, you I know you have a son.

[00:08:26]>> Yes.

[00:08:27]>> Is he the first husband? Same.

[00:08:29]>> He's 24.

[00:08:30]>> No, I mean which husband did you have?

[00:08:31]>> Oh, my second husband.

[00:08:32]>> Okay.

[00:08:33]>> She is about to walk the detectives through 36 hours. She will name a dealer. She will give them an address.

[00:08:40]She will explain how she cut her hand on a soda can. Notice how complete the story is. Notice how easily the details come.

[00:08:49]>> Let's move to Friday. Okay. Our third day, Friday. Let's start over and just [music] kind of go through what what you did again.

[00:09:00]>> Okay. Um, I was up in the middle of the night and we were both we both quit smoking >> and we talked each other into pitching in and buying a pack of cigarettes and this was a little after 12.

[00:09:14]>> And who's this? You and >> Michelle.

[00:09:15]>> You and Michelle?

[00:09:16]>> Yes. So, I went to Circle K, bought a pack of cigarettes, brought her back half >> who went on that right.

[00:09:29]>> Mhm.

[00:09:30]>> Yeah.

[00:09:32]brought that back to her and then I went to go see my dean.

[00:09:38]>> I thought what time was uh >> one Okay, let's talk about him for a second.

[00:09:46]>> Kiss.

[00:09:47]>> Yeah. Black guy, white guy.

[00:09:50]>> Light black.

[00:09:51]>> Light-kinned black. How old do you think he is?

[00:09:54]>> He was 26 when I met him. So, probably around 30 now.

[00:09:59]Watch what the detective does. He has just told her he works narcotics in this jurisdiction. He already knows the answers to the questions he is about to ask. He is not gathering intelligence on a dealer. He is testing whether Buck will stay consistent with details he can verify.

[00:10:16]>> I met him through James.

[00:10:19]>> James was up here with me.

[00:10:20]>> Who's James? Who?

[00:10:22]>> My last name. Yes.

[00:10:24]And you sure he's from a or uh Arbertton Kiss?

[00:10:30]>> Well, that's where he lives now.

[00:10:32]>> He lives now in Barberon. Okay. Do you know where in Barberon? Do you are you familiar with the >> address? I mean, I could tell you how to get there.

[00:10:40]>> Yeah. Tell me how to get there.

[00:10:41]>> Um 77 South >> to Waterl Road.

[00:10:47]>> Turn right.

[00:10:49]go till it turns into two lanes across the railroad tracks. There's a flashing light near a cemetery and then there's a steady light but it's right before the steady light there is a twostory building and he's in the second part number two.

[00:11:11]>> So it's actually on water road. Yes.

[00:11:13]>> You don't ever turn off our water.

[00:11:14]Correct.

[00:11:15]>> You go over the tracks.

[00:11:16]>> Yes.

[00:11:16]>> Okay. But before the big tracks.

[00:11:19]>> Okay.

[00:11:19]>> There's big tracks near um >> but it's past the cemetery.

[00:11:22]>> Yes.

[00:11:25]>> Twotory building. And you said it's number two.

[00:11:27]>> Yes.

[00:11:28]>> Okay. Do you know what he drives or anything?

[00:11:29]>> He doesn't.

[00:11:30]>> Does he drive?

[00:11:31]>> Yeah.

[00:11:32]>> When you go to get stuff from him, do you just call him or >> I do.

[00:11:35]>> Do you know his number? Authentic.

[00:11:38]>> 40099.

[00:11:41]I gave this to the other ones as well.

[00:11:43]>> Did you?

[00:11:44]>> I did.

[00:11:44]>> Okay. I kind of didn't get She has just provided the dealer's first name, his ethnicity, his approximate age, his street, his apartment number, and a partial phone number. She is volunteering more than she is being asked. People who have nothing to hide do not usually take this much care to be helpful.

[00:12:05]>> And then I came back and smoked in the bathroom >> at the house on Maple Park.

[00:12:10]>> Then I took a little nap.

[00:12:12]What time did you get back when you actually arrived?

[00:12:16]>> Oh, it only takes is it 20 minutes there and 20 minutes back?

[00:12:19]>> Yeah.

[00:12:20]>> So, we're talking twoish.

[00:12:22]>> Twoish back.

[00:12:27]>> And you smoked that where >> in the bathroom?

[00:12:29]>> In the bathroom.

[00:12:30]>> Then I tried to take a little nap because it makes me a little sleepy.

[00:12:33]>> Do you know what Michelle was told?

[00:12:36]>> I guess she was home. She wasn't top when I'd see her second time.

[00:12:47][snorts] >> And how'd you smoke it?

[00:12:50]>> A can.

[00:12:51]>> A can.

[00:12:52]>> Yeah, cuz I didn't want to go. I didn't think anything was open. Anybody had shopwise for a pipe thing. So I I was taught how to use can.

[00:13:04]>> What kind of can did you use? Oh, cream soda.

[00:13:09]>> The cream soda can. Note it. She's going to come back to it.

[00:13:14]>> Okay. So, let's go over how you cut your favorite.

[00:13:17]>> Okay. When you do the can, it collects resin on the bottom. And James taught me all this, too.

[00:13:22]>> How you do it? Yeah.

[00:13:25]>> You have the whole piece here, the mouth, right? where you take your drink and you push the bottom or the top down like this and you poke holes and then you poke a hole like a blow hole towards the end of the can like right towards the end so that put your finger on it while you're holding it and then let it go and then you put ashes on it and then you put that on top and then you light it while you're hang >> and to get the resin out you cut from the hole around the the bottom and then the top and then you cut down the middle.

[00:14:02]>> Now, what did you do that way?

[00:14:04]>> I have a razor knife in my car.

[00:14:06]>> What kind of razor name?

[00:14:08]>> Green one from work.

[00:14:10]>> Is it one of those knives?

[00:14:12]>> It's a safety one.

[00:14:14]>> So, it's the one where the button on the top and you can pull it in or >> it's it's a green one with it on the side.

[00:14:23]>> Pretty sure. Yeah.

[00:14:26]I got to enjoy it, Eagle. I didn't I meant to return it.

[00:14:30]>> Bigger or smaller?

[00:14:32]>> About the stick.

[00:14:36]>> What do you mean you got a giant eagle?

[00:14:38]>> I worked the giant eagle before Christmas.

[00:14:40]>> Oh, you worked.

[00:14:41]>> They gave me one and >> Oh, okay. Well, that was kind >> of >> Yeah, it was just a few weeks.

[00:14:44]>> Okay.

[00:14:45]>> And I gave them everything else and that was in my car to give it back to them.

[00:14:51]>> So, you're cutting the can with the razor, >> right? And I took one of the the spare razors from inside it. The razor thing has, you know, a holding spot. And you scrape the resin like that.

[00:15:03]>> And and then you pile it. Well, I put it in a piece of paper and then you put it on a new can.

[00:15:09]>> Okay.

[00:15:09]>> To smoke.

[00:15:11]You're in narcotics. You might know about that. Um, but when your fingers let go, I was trying to let it not pop up like that. So, I grabbed it.

[00:15:22]the the curling part of the can.

[00:15:25]>> Okay. Then which fingers?

[00:15:27]>> Okay.

[00:15:30]>> That's why he's in such a weird position from grabbing the curling cans.

[00:15:35]>> How long?

[00:15:35]>> And what kind of can was this one?

[00:15:37]>> Um the one that I cut was a cream soda one.

[00:15:40]>> A cream soda?

[00:15:40]>> Yeah.

[00:15:41]>> She has just walked them through every step of how she allegedly cut her hand on a can. The motion, the angle, the fingers, the brand of soda. She is more confident describing this than she has been describing anything else in the interview.

[00:15:56]>> When you went >> I don't have that type of temp.

[00:15:58]>> When you went to the hospital for the cuts, did the they asked you how the >> Yes, I lied to them.

[00:16:04]>> What' you tell them?

[00:16:05]>> I told them I cut it on a knife cuz I wasn't telling it crack. And they said they actually told me elsewhere, but you know, they didn't delve any further.

[00:16:15]>> Up to this point, the conversation has been collaborative. She has answered. He has nodded. Watch what changes now.

[00:16:23]>> Now [clears throat] kind of want you to go back over everything. So in case we missed anything, do you tell us the first time or something is wrong or anything like that?

[00:16:33]>> My sister-in-law told me to think really hard about everything >> because yeah, we've been busy since then. Okay. And like I told you uh the other night when I talked early morning, I know it's like you've been checking everything else. Okay. And there's quite a few holes in some of the things you've been telling us. We've got some information from neighbor people, people that we've talked to. Okay.

[00:17:00]That indicates you're not being totally truthful with this. Okay.

[00:17:05]Now, there was a neighbor that called, and this has been all over the news as far as, you know, Michelle, okay, that they saw you in the backyard Saturday walking chasing the dog, trying to shoot him back into the house. [clears throat] >> Why would they tell us that?

[00:17:21]>> I have no idea.

[00:17:27]>> But you were in the backyard at all >> on Saturday. No.

[00:17:30]>> How about Friday?

[00:17:32]>> Yes, because the dog wouldn't come back in. Listen to her response to the neighbor. I have no idea. Not they're wrong. Not they're mistaken. Not they're lying. Just I have no idea. She is not contesting the witness. She is bypassing the witness.

[00:17:49]>> You said you guys were in your garage >> there.

[00:17:54]I said this Saturday too. I said it to your your other >> I was here.

[00:17:59]>> Yes.

[00:18:00]>> That um she was wearing slippers, right?

[00:18:03]And the dog was being a puppy and jumping back and forth. And I was already dressed to pick up Amanda. So I went out and grabbed her by the collar and brought her back in. Okay. Slippers for sure.

[00:18:16]Brown ones.

[00:18:20]How about the NASCAR slippers?

[00:18:22]>> Okay.

[00:18:23]>> Were they?

[00:18:24]>> I don't They're brown ones.

[00:18:27]>> Don't pay attention to that much.

[00:18:28]>> Well, you knew she had slippers on, so you don't pay attention to something like that. Well, I could see she has Everybody has slippers on when they go in the garage.

[00:18:36]>> She has just been told a neighbor saw her in the backyard. She immediately moves the conversation to slippers to the brand of slippers to a memory of Michelle's footwear from a different morning entirely. The detective is asking about Saturday. Buck is answering about Friday.

[00:18:53]>> Well, you left for work for work or the door.

[00:19:02]Yes.

[00:19:02]>> You're positive.

[00:19:04]>> No.

[00:19:06]>> Why? Don't you always lie to the door.

[00:19:08]>> I do. That's why I'm saying yes.

[00:19:10]>> But you're not positively lied.

[00:19:13]>> I can't be 100% No.

[00:19:16]>> Okay. But Michelle wasn't there.

[00:19:18]>> No.

[00:19:19]>> So didn't the front door was unlocked.

[00:19:30]Cuz you were the last one to leave.

[00:19:33]>> Yes.

[00:19:34]>> Okay.

[00:19:35]>> I did go back Saturday.

[00:19:39]I even told them I forgot my Neosporin and my cigarettes and I turned around from Burger King and went back and then raced right back to work and clocked in at 5:59.

[00:19:48]>> She has just added a new errand to her timeline. A second trip back to the house Saturday morning that did not appear in the previous interview. The reason, forgotten neosporin and cigarettes. The trip is unverifiable.

[00:20:01]The timeline is now flexible.

[00:20:03]>> Did you do any laundry on >> all day? Saturday. Saturday is my laundry day.

[00:20:08]>> I mean, that was something that you didn't tell us. And I mean, if you did all day laundry, >> wouldn't you?

[00:20:14]>> Well, two loads and my two loads.

[00:20:17]>> What' you launder?

[00:20:19]>> Um, my bathrobe, all my work clothes, my towels.

[00:20:25]>> How about the throw rug? You're better.

[00:20:28]>> Yes. Why did you launder that?

[00:20:30]>> Because it was muddy from the dog.

[00:20:33]>> So when you laundered that, you didn't notice all the blood that was on it?

[00:20:36]>> There was no blood on the rug.

[00:20:38]>> Are you sure?

[00:20:39]>> I'm pretty sure.

[00:20:39]>> Cuz when you launder this stuff, it doesn't come along with >> I know that.

[00:20:42]>> Just like the towel.

[00:20:43]>> I know that.

[00:20:44]>> Now the detective stages the evidence.

[00:20:47]Watch the order. He starts with the laundered towel. He moves to the books.

[00:20:52]He ends with the footprint. From weakest to strongest. Each one closes a door.

[00:20:58]Okay, like I said, we search your car.

[00:21:01]We search the whole apartment, okay? We found your books in the car, the ones you said you were reading, okay, that were in your apartment and they had blood on, okay, the doll in your bag had blood on it. It's not fresh blood, but you could tell it was water. And that's what the crime uh PCI people do. They have chemicals, they have everything to test that stuff. All that stuff went to the lab.

[00:21:32]>> Okay.

[00:21:34]>> There was a pop can in your car.

[00:21:36]>> Was it mine? The blood >> because I >> I'll find that out tomorrow.

[00:21:42]>> Okay.

[00:21:42]>> Because I did pulled. You can see where I pulled right here. And that blood when I took the dog out one time and there was blood splatter by the door and everything and it's all mine.

[00:21:52]>> Within seconds of the evidence landing on the table, she has a story for the blood, a different location for where it splattered and an answer ready for the towel.

[00:22:01]>> We're talking about the towel in the car.

[00:22:04]>> Okay, >> that wasn't your blood. Or was it?

[00:22:09]>> It probably was.

[00:22:10]>> From what?

[00:22:21]>> [snorts] >> How about the blood splatter on your books? Could it have been your blood?

[00:22:25]>> No.

[00:22:27]>> Yeah.

[00:22:27]>> I would have known if I bled all my books. The books I paid attention to.

[00:22:37]>> I keep clean my books.

[00:22:38]>> There was a cream soda can in your car.

[00:22:40]>> Okay. But just the way you describe it to me, okay?

[00:22:46]Wasn't cut open.

[00:22:47]>> Okay.

[00:22:53]>> So, you're still going to stick with the story that you cut your hand on and can?

[00:22:56]>> Yes, I am.

[00:22:58]>> Watch the contradictions stack. The blood on the towel. Yes. Probably hers.

[00:23:03]The blood on the books. No, she would have known. Same hand, same day, same alleged cut. Different rules for different objects.

[00:23:13]>> There's blood drops in the garage. Yours weren't yours, were they?

[00:23:17]>> I know.

[00:23:18]>> But your footprint is in the blood drops. So, you can walk through the blood.

[00:23:23]>> Okay.

[00:23:25]>> How do you explain that?

[00:23:26]>> It's dark out there. I don't know where I was stepping.

[00:23:29]>> But you're not I mean, you're not out there smoking cigarettes in a dark garage. It's that light. Admittedly, it's not like this. But >> I usually turn the light on or I leave the door open in the hallway. what you had in the door, even just a door open or or a light on in there, you've been able to see splashes of blood leaning across the floor.

[00:23:47]>> I don't look down much there. I I know the house. I walk I walk all the time.

[00:23:52]>> Mhm.

[00:23:55]>> The dog the dog going upstairs. There's blood prints up the stairs on the dog paws.

[00:24:01]>> So, the dog walked through the blood to go to be put upstairs. And you said you put the dog upstairs >> several times, >> right? You were the only one to let the dog in and out those days.

[00:24:13]>> There's blood on the bottom of your shoes that we took that night.

[00:24:17]>> I was told that.

[00:24:19]>> I was told that. Not know there isn't.

[00:24:22]Not how could there be. Not check again.

[00:24:25]I was told that. Listen to the verb. The blood on her shoes is no longer something she is contesting. It is something she has been informed of. The category has shifted from accusation to fact. Now the detective shifts. The evidence is on the table. She has not broken. So he changes the offer. He stops accusing and starts inviting.

[00:24:49]>> Well, you you know you have to be able to help yourself now, Roxan. We can't help you.

[00:24:54]>> And go ahead.

[00:24:56]>> The only way you can help yourself is to tell us what really happened. Because once you walk out of here without telling us what really happened, it's going to be up to the prosecutor and the lab to come back with all those results, they're going to put you right in the middle of everything. And there's ways for us to explain that stuff with your help. the the fact that you spoke crap three times that day. There's there's ways that we can understand how stuff like this can happen with B. Okay.

[00:25:27]Could you have done this and not realize >> I can do this?

[00:25:30]>> Do you know it did?

[00:25:31]>> No, I do not.

[00:25:33]>> I did not do this.

[00:25:34]>> It had to happen when you were there.

[00:25:37]>> No.

[00:25:38]>> No.

[00:25:39]>> I would have known something except for I didn't know she was back here.

[00:25:45]She has just answered the question. The thing she would have known about happened to someone she did not know was quote back there. Listen to that sentence again the next time you [music] watch this.

[00:25:59]>> And that guy said I'm unemotional and that's why he thought I was a liar, but it's the way I am. And you can ask any >> I know. I talked to your brother and your sister-in-law.

[00:26:09]They said you've had a hard time with abusive relationships. you don't show emotion >> and and this is a terrible terrible thing. I mean it's that it's understandable too and we've seen you know we've been police officers for a long long time seeen lots and lots and lots of things like this.

[00:26:26]>> She has just used the word unemotional as evidence of her innocence. The detective who interviewed her two nights earlier saw something. She is now telling this detective, "Yes, you will see it too. It's the way I am." Do you know where the knives are? Upstairs in the in the kitchen in the in the butcher block thing there.

[00:26:46]>> Do you know where that one knife is that's missing?

[00:26:49]>> Is it in the dish trainer? I wash dishes.

[00:26:52]>> No, I didn't find it there.

[00:26:56]>> Do you have any idea where it might be?

[00:26:58]No.

[00:26:59]>> There is no confession coming. There is no breakdown. What is coming is something else. She is going to ask if she can leave and she is going to give a reason. I would like to smoke now.

[00:27:11]>> Oh, we can't smoke in here. But really nothing we can do about that.

[00:27:15]>> I know.

[00:27:16]>> Do you want to go smoke outside?

[00:27:17]>> You have cigarettes with you?

[00:27:18]>> Yes.

[00:27:19]>> I bought a lot. I quit last week.

[00:27:23]>> Right. So, >> the people at Burger King when they knew I couldn't.

[00:27:26]>> Do you drink coffee? What do you >> I don't think that would be appropriate.

[00:27:31]>> Okay. Now, can we get you something a glass of water?

[00:27:34]>> Water might be nice.

[00:27:35]>> Let me get you at least a glass of water.

[00:27:39]Courtney outside cuz I came in voluntarily but I'm not going anywhere to smoke.

[00:27:43]>> No, I mean if you want to go outside and smoke we can go outside [snorts] with you right here.

[00:27:53]>> Let me get you.

[00:27:54]>> Let me get you a cup.

[00:27:58]You >> mind go?

[00:28:00]>> I shouldn't.

[00:28:01]>> I have to be to work.

[00:28:03]>> Six.

[00:28:05]>> Kitty. I shouldn't go. have to be working in a half an hour.

[00:28:09]>> You remember what I told you? Want to get this cleared up now? Help yourself.

[00:28:14]Let's do it right now. Tomorrow could be a different day.

[00:28:18]No way we can help you tomorrow.

[00:28:20]>> She has been told that her own footprint sits inside the blood drops in the garage. She has been told the towel in her gym bag has been laundered with her victim's blood. She has been told the dog tracked Michelle's blood up the stairs. And what she is asking for now is a cigarette and permission to make her shift on time.

[00:28:39]>> If I had money, I would have had a somebody illegally to speak with by now.

[00:28:44]>> Yeah. And how would that help you though? I mean, what what what would you tell them that you can't tell us?

[00:28:49]>> Cuz they could just tell me what to say.

[00:28:52]>> Well, you know what to say.

[00:28:53]>> She has just told the detective that an attorney would tell her what to say. The implication is that she would not tell the attorney the truth. She would seek instructions.

[00:29:03]>> I didn't want to sound cold or anything, but I have to go to work.

[00:29:08]>> It's okay.

[00:29:09]>> Would you like to do that?

[00:29:10]>> That's legitimate.

[00:29:11]>> Would you like to do that on a clean conscience or would you like to carry this burden with you even alone?

[00:29:16]>> I like to work.

[00:29:19]>> And work's an outlet, right?

[00:29:21]>> Always.

[00:29:22]>> What else is an outlet? You're leaving yourself a vert.

[00:29:26]>> So, can I go to work now?

[00:29:31]Roxanne Buck walked out of that interrogation room and went to her shift at Burger King. She was charged the following day with the murder of Michelle Johnson. At trial, every piece of evidence the detectives had staged in this room was placed before a jury. The cream soda can, the laundered towel, the books, the dog's paw prints, the footprint in the blood drops, the neighbor's statement, the missing knife.

[00:29:55]She was convicted of murder. She was sentenced to life in prison, no parole, no early release. Michelle Johnson was 21 years old. She had people coming over Friday night. If this kind of analysis is what you're looking for, subscribing means you'll see the next one.