White correctly identifies the logical fallacy of blaming a doctrine for the decline of institutions that abandoned it generations ago. You cannot blame the map for a traveler getting lost after they have already thrown the map away.
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Liberal Apostasy Is Not the Fruit of Sola Scriptura
Added:Protestia put out something that was really interesting and I appreciate them digging into this.
The Presbyterian Church USA. Now this guy is United Methodist but there isn't a pimple full of difference between the Episcopalians, United Methodist, PCUSA, the ELCA. They're all ultra leftist way out there.
Abandoned scriptural authority, inspiration, all that stuff decades ago.
Decades ago. It's they're the walking dead, okay? They are the walking dead.
They still have the buildings, they still have the name but they're the walking dead.
And the PCUSA and that redeemed zoomer dude, you know, he's the one who's trying to, you know, perform CPR on PCUSA.
Same same folks.
So these are the ultra liberal blacked out guys. Remember, we did that debate in 2001 with Barry Lynn on homosexuality at a PCUSA church but it was one of the last conservative PCUSA churches. They were trying to fight the trend.
Fight the direction it was going. God bless them.
I would hope they left or something by now. Anyways, the Presbyterian Church USA just revealed their 227th General Assembly. Been around a while.
Sad, isn't it?
That they've dropped under a million members for the first time ever. 992,158 to be exact. Of course, those are only member numbers on the books.
Weekly in-person attendance is closer to 375,000.
We previously reported based on their 2024 numbers the following. Now listen to this.
34% of congregants are over the age of 70. That used to sound old to me.
>> [laughter] >> That doesn't sound nearly as old as it used to when you're only like 6 years away from that. Um another 25% are between the ages of 56 to 70.
Less than 4% are under 17.
Another 7% between the ages of 18 to 25, that's probably redeem Zumer. And 13% between the ages of 26 and 40. The majority of churches are small with over 45% having 50 or fewer members. 22.7% of PCUSA churches comprise less than 25 people. 22.5% have between 26 and 50 members. The number of members who identify as non-binary, gender queer, increased by 12% from the year before and more than 31% from the year before that. So, this is a denomination on life support.
Um we will see within the next 10 years its complete collapse.
Those buildings will be sold off.
With things are going, some of them will become mosques.
Um but this is what this stuff produces.
That that's the essence of it. There's there's It it cannot avoid this stuff because it has no foundation anymore.
That's why every single time every single time the Mormon or the Roman Catholic or the Eastern Orthodox, whatever it is, post the oh, look, and they post something like this and go, this is what Sola Scriptura results in. They are liars, okay? They have no credibility.
None. I There is no reason to respect someone who does this. That man does not believe in Sola Scriptura.
The PCUSA does not believe in Sola Scriptura.
They abandoned the belief in the inspiration of scripture a long time ago. A long, long time ago. So, blaming their apostasy on Sola Scriptura just demonstrates you don't understand Sola Scriptura and you don't understand these denominations and you don't care to. You know, I would ask you, what do you blame Father James Martin's apostasy on? You know, the the one running around how you know, it's it's funny.
These these groups will post these the Roman Catholics are doing it a lot.
They'll post these videos of Pentecostals running around, jumping over pews, jumping on the on the pulpit and then they'll say, "The fruit of sola scriptura." And then they'll compare that with some stately mass in a cathedral someplace, you know.
But there are places you can go online where you can watch all sorts of wild, insane, crazy things happening at mass.
In all sorts of Catholic churches.
Uh I saw one last week where um they they were celebrating uh Pride Month.
And this priest is sitting there with a non-binary worship leader giving everyone greetings and welcome to our services. Uh whatever you may be and all the rest of this kind of stuff.
So, just depends on what sources you want to look at uh how you want to spin things.
Um but it's all over the place. So, listen to this guy says, I had his name someplace. Sorry, lost it. Um but he's United Methodist and uh you know, it's sad cuz you know, my dad used to tell me that the Methodists used to preach the gospel. And um and I knew a United Methodist in seminary.
Uh she was way off to my left then. Uh I have no idea how far out they've gone since then. Uh at least that particular church. But anyhow, so here's let's just listen. It's a minute and 16 seconds. That's not too long. So, here it is.
>> We seek allies everywhere.
That's what being an ecumenical church is all about. That's the kind of people we are.
And that's also why you won't hear your preachers do a Billy Graham with the Bible. The Bible says we don't believe nor did the earliest Christians believe that the Bible in our hands are the literal words of God.
It's not that simple.
>> Okay, I'll keep playing it.
I want you to hear that.
We don't believe this is the word of God.
Literal word of God, literal words of God. And the early church didn't either.
What is he even babbling about?
I'm sure that's what he was taught in That's what he was taught in seminary, but he was lied to.
He was lied to. That's not the conclusion you're going to come to if you actually read the early church um and how they viewed scripture.
They didn't have the same modernist controversies that we have, obviously.
So, they may not have used the exact same terms, but um the idea that they held to anything that would be like this guy's view of scripture.
I mean, his worldview did not exist anywhere at that time.
So, don't even go there. But, you heard him say, "We do not believe these are the words of God." That's what he said.
So, you're going to blame that on Sola Scriptura? If If you have an honest bone in your body, stop it.
It's It's absurd.
Anyway.
>> The Bible, just like the bread and cup of the Eucharist or the water in the baptismal font are sacraments.
They're not the thing, they point to the thing.
The words of the the point toward the word of God, but they are not the word of God.
>> Okay.
That is what you are going to be here being taught in a majority of seminaries today. I heard it taught at Fuller. This idea that it's it's pointing away from itself to something else, that you get to determine what that something else is, being your tradition or whatever else it may be. There's no objective reality.
That's clearly not how Jesus views scripture, okay? That's clearly not how Jesus presented that, you know, have you not read what God spoke to you saying?
And you know how they get around stuff like that? Ah, that's just Matthew's words. That's That's not what Jesus said. They don't even know They don't They They do not have confidence that we know a single word Jesus ever said. They don't have no any confidence at all.
That's why he's got that rainbow stole the rainbow thing around him.
is cuz Romans 1?
Leviticus? Ah, there was no Moses. Ah, that that Machen was right.
Christianity and liberalism, two completely different religious movements.
>> And that's why we say at the end of every reading of scripture, for the word of God in scripture, for the word of God among us, for the word of God within us.
>> Okay. So, there he is. There's um There is left us liberalism as it eviscerates scripture and eviscerates the um the objective revelation of uh the Christian faith that we can know anything about.
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