Tinubu Will Lose Rivers If Fubara Walks Away | Fubara Can Still Run For 2027 Elections| Nwanyanwu

Ajouté : 2026-05-30

[00:00:02]I believe in how there's a supernatural being that intervenes in affairs of men.

[00:00:15]If they're planning rigging, fine others will watch it and they rig. Okay. I I don't believe in speculation. Let me tell you, this election will be the toughest.

[00:00:27]>> You think so?

[00:00:27]>> Uh it will be very tough. In what way?

[00:00:30]>> In everywhere.

[00:00:31]In everywhere.

[00:00:32]>> Keny contested. Of course. But the opposition you guys have, you have split your votes again.

[00:00:37]>> Don't worry. Let everybody march. Let everybody march and then we'll see how we go about it.

[00:00:44]>> So, there's still a game plan.

[00:00:45]>> You see, uh, we met 3 days ago about seven parties.

[00:00:52]Uh, anyway, let's not go there.

[00:00:56]>> Let's let's let's not go there. What we did was just a review of the process.

[00:01:00]But you see the politics of uh rivers is interesting. And Fubara uh is like somebody escorted to go.

[00:01:12]You know what is go in the Bible?

[00:01:14]>> A place of the skull. That's why they slaughter. They cut off the skull.

[00:01:17]Somebody was escorted to go until the die minute. But here's an option.

[00:01:25]Fubara can run, Fubara can contest and I still hold this strongly that any platform Fubara goes, he will still be governor.

[00:01:38]The interest is to vote for Tibu. No problem. Let all of you put your vote together. But let us release the names of governorship candidates in reverse.

[00:01:49]The equation will change. Forget about all this. Now we are going to win everywhere. No, it doesn't work.

[00:01:55]How will Fara run?

[00:01:58]For you to run, you must make sacrifices.

[00:02:01]What is a sacrifice?

[00:02:07]This is Niger on filter on Symphony TV.

[00:02:10]My name is and my guest today is one of Nigeria's preeminent politicians, Barister Daniel, uh chairman, Senate Labor Party. Uh, Chief Daniel, nice to have you on the show.

[00:02:24]>> Thank you for having me.

[00:02:25]>> You're welcome.

[00:02:26]>> Thank you.

[00:02:27]>> Um, let's get right into our conversation. Quite a number of issues we need to cover. First of what's the updates on the um attorney general or INC's bid to dregister your party ADC and I think a couple of for this >> well it is not INC and I'm offer organization known as association of former legislators which is like a social club went to court sued ADC attorney general and that ADC should be dregistered for not miss meeting the threshold of the constitution of winning election.

[00:03:15]Nigerians cried uh you want to also destroy ADC that was in December. In January they went to add other parties including ZLP.

[00:03:29]But as we filed our defense, including the issue of locus, they discovered that the party that went to court is not a juristic personality.

[00:03:45]It is not a body that should sue going by it object clause. It's just a social club and meeting of friends.

[00:03:54]So when they discovered that they said they wanted to amend, we said no.

[00:04:03]Other party said no. All you have to do is take it out and put a new one. The judge overruled us that they can amend.

[00:04:11]Even what they didn't ask for, the judge gave them.

[00:04:16]>> What's the name of the judge? just is lethal that alerted us that we are this people for a purpose that they working for some people we said okay let's keep going so while the we did not agree with the judgment of the ruling of the land justice one of the parties went to went to court of appeal and we came back to ask for stay procedures the judge say no put on all your address do everything I will give judgment on the 5th of June.

[00:04:55]While we are waiting for that the court of appeal matter came up and the court of appeal was very angry with the judge.

[00:05:07]Anyway, moving forward, the state proceedings and the court of appe did not fail to say that judgment is part of the proceedings of a court.

[00:05:23]Well, we are going to get back to court of appeal in October. So that matter is deemed to have been state.

[00:05:31]But what was the intentment of taking Zeni Labor Party to court?

[00:05:39]You know we have shillocks, political shillocks whose duty is to cause trouble everywhere in every political party so that they will have their way.

[00:05:49]They found out they could not penetrate my party to create a division.

[00:05:53]They knew we are like water. We have no enemy. We do our things our own ways.

[00:05:59]So the best thing is put them that they didn't win anything. We know we will lose but before that time uh uh nominations and everything would have been done.

[00:06:10]Their suspicion which I later confirmed was that P2B and all those people are coming to us as the most peaceful party in Nigeria.

[00:06:23]So that's okay.

[00:06:26]and also to make the platform unusable.

[00:06:32]I must tell you that mayor announcing that we were in court, we lost a lot of >> scared a lot of people.

[00:06:40]>> It scared a lot of people away in this nomination process. I have about four or five governorship aspirants who have gone to other parties. They go and say sorry Dan we wanted to come to you and I said we are not in court.

[00:06:56]The only thing expected a political party to win the only office is one counelor just one you would have qualified you would have met the threshold of the constitution.

[00:07:09]We have 15 local governments. We have 176 counselors Abia Nasarawa rivers before they cancelled that of rivers.

[00:07:17]These our winnings.

[00:07:20]They knew all they wanted to was to make Zeni Labor Party unusable, unattractable, which of course they succeeded by most people running away. It's only those that still that had strong faith in us that believed in the leadership of the party that knew that I will not be lying. I have not been lying in politics. I will not lie in politics. I say it as it is.

[00:07:50]And I told them we had no division. They say we didn't win. Look at our wins. I displayed the certificate of returns on television publicly.

[00:08:03]So we continued and uh that was the outcome. But the one that pinned us while the matter was in court, the attorney general of the federation filed his defense agreeing with the plaintiff that they should resto that we didn't win anything that infuriated us. He did not stop at filing it. He went to the market.

[00:08:29]That was how the leadership of our party responded to him. That attorney general, chief law officer, since you have decided to dance naked in the market square, notwithstanding the matter pending a court, we without prejudice to the matter in court, you lied under oath.

[00:08:52]This is called pery and you should resign from your office because you are no longer a fit and proper person to occupy that office. Did you do due diligence before he appended the authority and signature on that document?

[00:09:08]You should have called your there are many lawyers in the ministry of justice. Please go and find out from my neck whether these people actually didn't win anything rather you went to the market open your fat mouth and was talking s of rubbish the public that was our respon that was how we responded to him because we didn't see it proper if he had not gone to the market we would have limited it to the court and his statement turn ah you in court you are in court we said no let us also tell the public because this is the nomination period this is likely to have a devastating effect on the party and we are suffering it now we didn't do anything we won we passed the threshold of the constitution attorney general even in their depositions and response to the court they say no the plaintiffs are wrong you're also wrong we have records of all these people they qualified based on what constitution says so strike out the case dismiss the case >> that was next defense >> that is I defense to the court that all these defended parties professor Mahmud did that before he left immediately after the whole election he sent to parties to inform us of your winnings they cleared everybody but this attorney general he was working on something.

[00:10:44]Then we said there's no due diligence or you don't have competent lawyers in your office. Have you gone to recruit charge and lawyers in your office that they could not go and what stop you from calling? Let me have the position of these people.

[00:10:56]>> You did not do it.

[00:10:59]You went on a frolic of your own and that's why we attacked him in a in a decent climb and will not be sitting there today because he lied on oath. as with me. Bam.

[00:11:15]>> He lied on oath.

[00:11:19]We are together in practice. It wasn't like that. Is it when you get to the office, you no longer know where to find the law and how to apply it.

[00:11:28]We have kept quiet for too long. We be calling them out. They want to destroy this democracy. He was not part of our struggles during the military. Take all those who are working with Tinu today.

[00:11:39]None of them was part of us apart from Festo Kayamu and a few others. They were not part of our struggles.

[00:11:47]>> By when we were sleeping in the market square uncompleted buildings, we ran away from our homes. The was part of it.

[00:11:55]But at the time he ran away on exile.

[00:11:59]We know ourselves.

[00:12:01]So don't go there and think we are different from others. That was what they did.

[00:12:07]So the case as it is now the court of appeal has arrested that judgment which is predictable and we are going to appear before the court of appeal on October 26 or thereabouts.

[00:12:20]So we have no problem apart from the fact that it has affected aspirants who would have contested under our platform. We have lost a lot of people and that we deal with when the whole matter is over. Let me ask for the for clarity sake information of the viewing public. Yes. How old is Zen Labor Party?

[00:12:42]>> J L was registered in 2018. Yes. You know I was the national chairman of Labor Party.

[00:12:48]>> Yes.

[00:12:49]>> I left the place in 2014.

[00:12:52]Uh I was partyless for 4 years before Zeni Labor Party was registered.

[00:12:58]And uh since our registration we have been winning. There was no time we didn't win election. The reason why I asked the question, chief, is just to >> to state clearly for the record that Senate Labor Party is not a is not an STV that was just registered.

[00:13:12]>> No, no, no. 25.

[00:13:13]>> No, we've been there. We've been there and we've been winning.

[00:13:16]>> Now, the next question, chief, which I want to address very strongly just like the first question.

[00:13:21]>> Yes.

[00:13:22]>> So, the attorney general, in fact, let's begin from this amorphous organization.

[00:13:26]>> Yes.

[00:13:26]>> You call them like a party.

[00:13:28]>> It's an is a NGO social club. Initially, >> what is the interest? What is the locus?

[00:13:34]>> Exactly.

[00:13:35]>> The leu leu get the locus.

[00:13:37]>> Now they were initially faceless coming in of the attorney general where he came in very strongly.

[00:13:43]>> What do you how do you interpret this?

[00:13:45]>> In fact, we rather found out you know we have a a kingpin in Nigerian politics today who determines what happens >> and who is this sir?

[00:13:56]>> Who gets what and how?

[00:13:59]The whole thing was hatched in the attorney general's office and that person knew that if you come directly to me in Zap he cannot fight me because I have things about him if I bring it out this country will shake.

[00:14:14]These are the Shilot deceiving President President Tibu.

[00:14:19]On another hand, they're working against him unknowingly. You >> care to mention the name of this?

[00:14:24]>> Use your tongue to count your teeth.

[00:14:28]>> Use your tongue to count your teeth.

[00:14:30]>> I may know but it is not in my place.

[00:14:33]>> Then if you know, tell them.

[00:14:34]>> No, you you are the one you know making this.

[00:14:37]>> Even as I'm saying it, you know the person I'm talking about. So why you asking me? You know, you know how a boat feeds and you asking people how does a belt fit? You know it fits through the mouth.

[00:14:49]These people will put president in fact they have made presidentu lose supporters. President Tibu had hit to hard sympathizers not because he was fantastic. Let me give you example like myself as somebody who was with us in the struggle.

[00:15:07]You know I am a firm believer that dogs should not eat dogs.

[00:15:12]At a time and I we were in Abola's house on daily basis and we were we were embibed we soaked ourselves with the ideologies and etos of a so when he became president I said okay let me see we are happy maybe I didn't win I was a contestant too I didn't win I said okay maybe he will follow those things Abola told us that he would have done if he had become president.

[00:15:43]So you can see automatically my sympathy without fighting. I've never fought him even I used my position in political parties organization to say please sur let's take it easy let's watch him unfortunately he came at a time when the country was at this low but what have you done to get it up so why I'm telling you is that he had some sympathies even though people could not attack him but they watch him they had opportunity to attack like others and some attacks are pungent and strong we left it and that's why some people accuse us you're APC. No, I've never been in APC. I've never opened my mind that I supported >> publicly.

[00:16:28]>> You you you know your history.

[00:16:30]>> Yes.

[00:16:31]>> Your trajectory.

[00:16:33]>> Yes.

[00:16:34]>> Are you disappointed? And how disappointed if if it is yes, how disappointed are you? Let's even leave governance issues or failures.

[00:16:41]>> Yes.

[00:16:42]>> Democratic assault. Maybe you may say not him but his handlers. Are you disappointed that disappointed?

[00:16:48]>> I don't think President Tinibu is somebody that willingly allow people to dictate to him. President Tinibu is somebody who believes at every material particular that he has control of the system. He has to that's the type of character he is and but people can go around it without his knowledge.

[00:17:14]President also have certain persons that he can never fail to listen to.

[00:17:20]So when you go through this person that assimilate that gets into him.

[00:17:26]But I don't think President Tibu should be somebody who will not appreciate the role played by people in the making of his presidency.

[00:17:36]They're not begging for anything. I'm not even sure that if he had given anything to them all of them will take.

[00:17:43]I was I and uh Shu we are pencled for ministerial position during Jonathan I that one I turned it down that I was still building labor party when I finish let's go I how many Nigerians will turn down ministerial appointment and I think that was what made president Jonathan to see something different in me that he called me >> personally >> personally president Jan as president my chairman Join me in my campaign tomorrow. Join me. I'm going to this place tomorrow.

[00:18:18]I'm going to Lagos. I'm going to Aba.

[00:18:22]I'm going to Delta. Join me.

[00:18:26]What could be more rewarding than that?

[00:18:28]Without asking for anything.

[00:18:32]And each time I travel with President Jonathan, surprisingly in the Air Force One, you have where I call the boy quarters where you have many people. Then you have where they call the VIP. I gave those names. I don't know what they call it. But after that, you walk forward. On the right, you see the presidential cubicle.

[00:18:49]There are just four seats on the table.

[00:18:52]Of all the times I travel with President Jonathan, I was in that cubicle with him. And when we are going down on landing, there was I got up to move.

[00:19:01]They said, "No, sit." Everybody left the aircraft.

[00:19:05]The now say you can go. As I was going down the stairs, I looked back, see the president. I said, "Ah, what is this one?" Me. So I got down. I remember when we were going to Alloy power plant in Abia.

[00:19:21]We came down at airport.

[00:19:25]Then there was all the PDP Kingpin. As I was here, the president was just behind coming down.

[00:19:34]I came down. They say PDP. I say I'm not in PDP. I'm a friend of the president everywhere I come down and when the president was introduced me in Dela he said with me here is the national chairman of labor party he's not in PDP he's a friend of the president I never I never accepted what I was not so president Jonathan saw something in me and that was why I told people that I was for president Jonathan hate to do so people will see me that time president Jonathan hate to do I say yes Benny because he's a man with a heart.

[00:20:11]A man that wanted to change Nigeria.

[00:20:14]A man who believed in the unity of the country but was betrayed by his party from the leadership down.

[00:20:25]He was betrayed. It was PDP that got him out of office.

[00:20:30]>> Not the It's not the opposition.

[00:20:31]>> No, it was the PDP leadership. And I remember one of the trips, our last trip to Lagos when the president was to meet the young entrepreneurs in Lagos in that presidential cubicle was president Jonathan Adamu national chairman of PDP, myself and four of us.

[00:20:58]President Jonathan had come back from a long trip the previous day. So when the aircraft took off he went to the bedroom to rest in the aircraft opened his mouth he was telling let me tell you why the not will not vote for Jonathan these are things people would like to say and it's happening to now but he will not see it I won't tell him let me tell you why the north will not vote for Jonathan the first reason he gave was the ostentious alleged ostentious living by nigas in Abuja They've taken over Transport. They've done this. They've done that. I said, "Mr. Chairman," he said, "No, no, no, wait. You're not part of it." I said, "Yes, but I'm a friend of the president." He continued, he got to the second reason how Mama P the first lady was talking to her, the way he was abusing the north and president Jonathan thought for him.

[00:21:55]As he was trying to explain, the aircraft started descending.

[00:21:59]President Jonathan came back to the Kico. I told Robert, "Collect the two other reasons and hand them over to the president." He said that and when we landed the next said yes, he took the drinks. He told the president and I called the president the next day.

[00:22:11]President Jonathan will always pick my call as small as I was. I'm not a frivolous person.

[00:22:18]I am not demanded. When I ask for something, I need it.

[00:22:23]It's not for It's not for show. It's not for I go with needs not wants.

[00:22:31]I call president Jonathan I said did speak to you Mr. President. He said yes I've taken it. Okay. Thank you Mr. President. There was no time I called him. I said I wanted to come. He said come in. I didn't pass through anybody.

[00:22:43]I never passed through anybody to speak to President Jonathan.

[00:22:47]But here I am. I didn't get appointment.

[00:22:51]I didn't get contract. I'm not a contractor.

[00:22:55]I didn't get anything monetary but I loved him genuinely and he loved me too.

[00:23:03]So there was no advice I gave him. He did not take seriously because it was not based on self interesting.

[00:23:10]>> He knew so and that was how we are supporting president presidentu who in my view didn't care. I have conquered all of you. You can do what you want. Okay. No problem.

[00:23:24]We are going to the conquest venue.

[00:23:28]But I must tell you, Tinu had opportunity to be one of the best presidents based on his trajectory, based on his anticidence, based on his struggles, but I sorry to say he had deviated along the way. You ask me a question, if I say he succeeded, There was nothing told any of us privately if we had opportunity to be together that he do not repeat it. I have given example one day when he was hospitalized in a co hospital room 437 I was the only non- member of the family with Abola in his hospital bed and he gave me a timet 10:00 a.m. to 10 p.m. At times I will end up going by 3:00 a.m. 2:00 a.m. That time Nigeria was good. I will drive alone pass get to my house no problem.

[00:24:28]Not now. Go and try it now.

[00:24:31]One day he called me. He said, "Comrade," I said, "Mr. President," he said, "Do you know one of the reasons why I want to be president?" I said, "Tell me, Mr. President." He said, "Look, there was a time I had minor surgery in King's Hospital, London.

[00:24:52]They weaved me to the theater.

[00:24:56]There were three, four doctors on the left, on the right, all white. And I was on the bed waiting. I said, "Do this and let me go." They said, "No, sir. We are waiting for the chief surgeon."

[00:25:08]He said, "Thief surgeons." Okay. He said, "3 5 minutes later, a black man came in with two doctors, white doctors.

[00:25:16]That one came close to him together say he said ahani."

[00:25:22]He said, "Yes." Said told me that tears dropped from his eyes. Are you the one that waiting for?

[00:25:30]The doctor said yes. He said that day he swore that any day he became president he will put hospitals like this in all the geopolitical zones.

[00:25:40]>> This was a narrating >> this was talking to me was aware of it.

[00:25:45]Abela talked to us about education talked to us about about security was aware of it. He may have told more that I didn't know. All for common good.

[00:25:59]Look at me. I Christian left with Abola Euroba Muslim in his room, hospital room. The family, the wives will bring food and leave it with me.

[00:26:12]I will work. Have they brought food? I said, "Okay, give me I will serve abola.

[00:26:16]He will eat. I will eat the leftover."

[00:26:19]It was like that on daily basis.

[00:26:23]Tell me any president, anybody in this country that will have that cross tribal trust today Nigeria though you will say at that time I was politically naive I have no political knowledge ambition maybe he saw my heart that this man is just empty in the heart let me go with him I will tell you when he have problem I don't know how long you have in this interview when he have problem with Niger when he have problem with Niger Congress Because the Bangad regime told him take it to the bank.

[00:27:04]Take Pascal Bafia, president of NS as your running met. I quote your road to the presidential villa will be smooth.

[00:27:14]Abola came and told us in the labor. I was in labor.

[00:27:20]We were happy.

[00:27:22]We were preparing.

[00:27:26]Don't forget then there were governors in place.

[00:27:29]>> Yes.

[00:27:29]>> National assembly members in place. What was left for the presidential election?

[00:27:35]Abola assured us.

[00:27:38]So on that May day, Abola say he will come and announce it on Mayday May one.

[00:27:45]the governors king and others you know all the governor if you pick we are not going to support you but being somehow politically naive didn't know the power of the military in forcing him as president we are waiting on Mayday in Abuja for Abola to arrive on our Mayday and announce the nomination We didn't start at 10, 11, 12, 1:45.

[00:28:22]News came from comrades has big thingy.

[00:28:26]We start even as we are matching that day, we are matching like people that are that have lost both parents the same day.

[00:28:36]That was the beginning of the problem of Chief Abola.

[00:28:40]If I start the story of June 12, I want to write a book. It will be of many volumes. So, so that was part of it.

[00:28:47]Abola knew all this.

[00:28:50]Tinibu knew. Sorry. Tinu knew all this.

[00:28:53]All the all the maneuvering.

[00:28:57]So, how do you how do you want me to assess him?

[00:29:01]Tinu should assess himself.

[00:29:04]Enter his closet. Lock himself. Look at the ceiling. Think back. Think back.

[00:29:10]What have I done wrong? without any of his aids knocking at his door then he should use his tongue again to count his teeth. What I actually asked this assess is governance.

[00:29:24]>> Yes.

[00:29:24]>> Of policies. We can do that another but I won't tell you because the question that led to all of this is this apparent on on I mean it is not debatable deliberate effort to destabilize opposition political parties yourself.

[00:29:41]>> Yes. Your party.

[00:29:42]>> I become a victim.

[00:29:43]>> Exactly.

[00:29:43]>> Before I was say I don't think it's possible. I don't think one one party system is possible. I am now convinced that it is possible.

[00:29:51]the SDG presidential candidates in 2023 was telling me I said don't you see this as a said no I shared the same statement before among themselves but now there's fire under his under his house now they have factions they have this they have >> yes >> so the question I was that are you not disappointed the president under his watch a democrat somebody who fought against military dictatorship and all that under his watch this disturbing ization of opposition political parties is going on.

[00:30:23]>> President Tibu is a student of Mavan's principle.

[00:30:27]>> So >> you are the second person saying this on this.

[00:30:30]>> No, President is a professor of Mavan principle.

[00:30:32]>> Professor >> Yes. You don't follow him.

[00:30:35]>> Someone said he is a master of the Mavian.

[00:30:40]>> Oh, thank God I didn't see that interview.

[00:30:43]>> Look, she's a professor.

[00:30:45]>> No, sit down and study present. Sharp.

[00:30:48]>> Wow.

[00:30:48]knowledgeable. He has things in his palm but he chooses the one to use. There are many that will give males but the fear of that not working for him he will not touch it.

[00:31:03]You see I I am not telling somebody to tell me about president you can watch somebody closely you watch him you start you see things you learned when they are young >> yes >> doesn't leave you >> they don't >> they don't go >> because every day what you do is to give the other side of analysis not that it has left you I'm talking of 1993 how old was I then I saw it He was the most consistent in that struggle with >> you come say come late wait for me I'm coming at 3 come 2 a.m.

[00:31:40]He will go out with people. I wish they will arrive. So I I was I will go upstairs and be sleeping. They will come and wake me is back >> in Abola's house.

[00:31:51]>> In the house.

[00:31:52]>> So I want to ask before >> not outside in the house. I had a particular place I parked my car >> before it escapes to my mind for the benefit of especially our young viewers and especially in this toxicity this toxic political environment that we have in 2026 Nigeria.

[00:32:09]How close were you to chief memory? How close were you? What role did you play in his life and life of the family? How close were you?

[00:32:18]>> Well, I wasn't working with the family.

[00:32:20]>> Yes.

[00:32:20]>> It's more or less a member of the family.

[00:32:23]>> Yeah. But let me tell you, apart from Mama.

[00:32:26]>> Yes.

[00:32:26]>> Mama.

[00:32:27]>> Yes.

[00:32:28]>> Who from time to time I move to her.

[00:32:29]She'll call me I go to her wing.

[00:32:32]>> Yes. It's m then her wing is that side.

[00:32:37]You see when the problem with the ni was hot fabella called me comrade that time n was in small denominations he said please take this take this bag go and s house I said for what he said no go beg them I will take care of them I said no I don't think we need the money he said what I just don't need money I didn't touch it the next morning when I resumed Mama kudat around to me comrade come come come come come come come come come come come come come come come come come come come come come come come come come come come come come come come come come come come come come come come come come come come come come come come come come come come come come come come come come come come come come come ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch told me last night he gave you money.

[00:33:12]You refused. I said no I didn't need it.

[00:33:15]Do you know you are the only person in this family who has come here and refused money? But what did Abola tell me when I refused? Okay, no problem. You are going to the villa with me? It came from his mouth.

[00:33:28]Did I understand what he was saying? It didn't mean anything to me.

[00:33:33]So my closest the man loved me as a son and that's why the tomorrow I'm always close to tears how he was denied presidency because of these characters some have held big positions in this democracy some are still around who made it impossible for him to be president and if he had become president we wouldn't have been where we are. I'm not talking for safety reason because he say I'll go to the villa with so maybe I'll be behaving like all these ones. No in fact whatever I will do will come from him because I was politically naive.

[00:34:14]I didn't know jack apart from going around watching rallies watching all over watching anywhere there I follow them I listen and go home without analysis that was my passion even in the 70s 79 81 82 it didn't go beyond that so the closeness is unquestionable and it is not debatable >> the issue of is an e man is >> no but I told I'm ea knew I was ea is Muslim I'm a Christian.

[00:34:44]>> Accepted.

[00:34:46]>> Look at me leaving his food with me in the in the hospital room.

[00:34:52]I will serve him. He will eat. I will eat the remain.

[00:34:59]It doesn't happen now.

[00:35:01]You can't have that thing. Everybody his P will be his brother. The chief of staff will be his in-law. The key positions he will give his uh you know that's what we see today Nigeria. No patriotism, no nationalism.

[00:35:15]Everybody's taking conquer it. Conquer it. This is your turn. Take it.

[00:35:21]>> They they they did it the other time.

[00:35:24]>> And that was why see it's part of that favorable when Bharist were attacking him in the first year, second year. I came out and it became the subject matter. I said where were you people when Bhari ruined this country for 8 years? You were deaf and dump.

[00:35:40]This man has just done two years. Let's wait for him now. See what he can do.

[00:35:43]Don't drag. It's like when professor Ysef said he didn't know why Eboss were not part of a demonstration. I told him keep quiet. You were here during Bhari that Ebos had nothing against. Ebos will not fight against Tinu. Eboss will not demonstrate against I took it up with the cultural unions before president of Zen late told Ebos not to get involved when he people were enjoying everything.

[00:36:09]Nobody remembered us. Professor Ysef, why are you calling theos? Are they important? A dot in a circle.

[00:36:16]You went to take loans to build rail lines up to Mi not in Nigeria. Not one inch was done in the southeast. This is alone. Southeast is part and parcel of the repay. It's just like this one did.

[00:36:30]And you have clowns from the southeast talking rubbish.

[00:36:35]Why not you do for Tom as you did for Harry? You are taking loan from what bank? You are taking from China. You are taking from this to build this, build this, build that. And the worst aspect, the man presenting it to executive council is IO and there is none in the southeast. Not one.

[00:36:58]Last week he said in is the Bafra.

[00:37:00]>> I clap. Good thinking. Good product.

[00:37:04]Eboss are laughing at him. So don't drag me into this tribal thing. I will say it if it affected other people. You took long running into billions of dollars for projects. None was cited in the southeast.

[00:37:16]If I say it, will I lose my tentacles?

[00:37:20]Will I? No. So you see these are part of it. These are part of the issues that said he will address.

[00:37:28]And anybody trying to address Nigerian's problem where everybody will happy a cabal will stop them.

[00:37:36]That is the problem of so it's left for president to look backwards and see was this my intention when I wanted to run for president. Was this part of why we are involved in the June struggle June 12th struggle. So it is left for him to determine after after by by by end of this year next year we go to the polls is left for the people to decide.

[00:38:01]But if you ask me I'm always truthful to myself. I don't deceive myself. I tell myself the truth. And the worst thing that will happen to you is when you are lying to yourself.

[00:38:13]>> Chief, let's get together and make quick progress.

[00:38:16]>> I'll be okay. I'm here for you. I've enjoyed you know this bit but we need to we need to run now recently um justice um if I'm not mistaken and then later on just gave two different judgments nullifying certain aspect of uh timetable guidelines that they were in conflict with the electoral act 2026 as amended what is your even though I has gone on appeal but what is your party doing to benefit from that judgment >> you you see uh the one that surprised me is the one given on Tuesday by judges.

[00:38:48]>> Yes. Why are you surprised?

[00:38:49]>> Because Nigerians have an opinion about him.

[00:38:51]>> Okay.

[00:38:52]>> That this is a judge that belongs to a shallow politician.

[00:38:57]>> You keep mentioning this >> Wait, I'm coming. Why are you rushing me now?

[00:39:02]>> Give us a date.

[00:39:04]>> It's you. You >> Nigerians have that opinion. So when they say >> it has been alleged so that was shocking but I want to congratulate Justice Omar.

[00:39:23]>> Congratulations.

[00:39:24]>> Yes for being courageous in taking that decision. That was the position of interparty advisory council.

[00:39:32]We said yes you can't bring out a guideline that infringed on our rights.

[00:39:37]We didn't make this electoral act but you must give us that reway for us to operate.

[00:39:45]What did he say? He said look you have the liberty to do your guidelines but your guidelines must fall in tandem with provisions of the electoral act.

[00:39:58]For example, you can't tell us to close register by 10th of May when we have opportunity to do that by the act.

[00:40:07]more months due to submission of candidates, due to withdraw of candidates.

[00:40:13]That was all Justice Oman said and immediately I read that the spirit of Caribbean Obas Nikobi their spirit resonated.

[00:40:32]These are judges who were bold and fearless during the military.

[00:40:38]They didn't care.

[00:40:39]>> Who stood up to the military?

[00:40:40]>> Who stood up to the military?

[00:40:42]So that was all Omar was saying.

[00:40:46]All we heard was an has gone on appeal.

[00:40:49]Let me ask what has got to lose if they did not appeal.

[00:40:57]What do they have to we to win >> to benefit if they appealed?

[00:41:03]All they saying is go and adjust your timetable to be in line with the electoral act that that happened on Friday. I worked throughout the weekend with their with their lawyers and appealed on Monday. On Tuesday came again.

[00:41:23]We are putting parties are coming together to hire as many as senior advocates to set aside the entire electoral act.

[00:41:33]You cannot sit down as a senate as house of rep to rewrite the constitution of the parties.

[00:41:41]We're going to set aside the entire process selfishness because you are plotting at least clear to them now that some of them are not wanted. They have been short changing their various parties.

[00:41:52]those who are singing that's it that's it that's it so that judgment was right let me take you on the intention was by the time we shove out those we didn't want they cannot move it is not true the act did not say so yes we have submitted our register the register is there Now nomination will be ending primaries will be ending on 30th based on this set aside guidelines.

[00:42:32]I remember in our last meeting with INC the issue of register and substitution came up uh Dr. for Dante chairman of IPAC was the first person that raised it followed by Yabagi then I raised up my hand I said Mr. chairman I don't know why my brother chairman are worried about this issue the process we are going through now on this primary this nomination process ends on the tight by your time table the issue of substitution is another activity covered separately the chairman of INC Josh said chairman I agree with you we cannot use the same register because registration is still going on.

[00:43:29]The number we submitted to INC has doubled now.

[00:43:34]>> Absolutely. Because an ongoing process.

[00:43:36]>> So put aside all this.

[00:43:40]Every individual has some fundamental right embedded in him by the virtue of his humanity.

[00:43:50]Freedom to choose, >> of association, >> freedom of association, freedom of movement, freedom of religion and so on and so forth. These are fundamental rights. These are inelenable rights.

[00:44:03]They are sacrosant and they are cast on stone. So what made you think that because I lost primary in this I can't register myself move and register in another party contest election under that party. That is what the constitution says. In fact, if you go to the electoral act, he's saying something different from the first process of submission of register because he said there all primaries you must submit a register. So if I'm doing primaries which I'm supposed to do to substitute a candidate, I must submit to the register of the party and the register I will submit is the current register of the party where those names new names could be found. chief yesterday just yesterday.

[00:44:46]>> Yes.

[00:44:47]>> Sitting right here.

[00:44:48]>> Yes.

[00:44:48]>> Mr. Samson.

[00:44:51]Yes.

[00:44:51]>> I asked him.

[00:44:52]>> Yes.

[00:44:53]>> Did he think does he believe that political parties who have suffered greatly from this shenanigan of this time that did you guys do enough work before the electoral act was passed and all? He said you guys were sleeping his words that you guys went to bed. You were sleeping completely that you failed yourselves. And that's why the the National Assembly and the the presidency quickly steamrolled the entire process as to it and then it has been run down because what you are doing now all the parties coming together to take a do a class you know a class suit an action suit if I get that right that's what you ought to have told them how to respond >> you see it is a very experienced person in political party management and all that he's you can't write him off >> he's about the most experienced You you can't write him off. You you can't write him off. But I think he got this one wrong.

[00:45:46]>> Okay.

[00:45:47]>> We attended all the public hearings. We documented everything. What did they expect us to do? To go and fight in National Assembly to go and fight them.

[00:45:55]They have done what they wanted to do under the circumstance. And we are doing what we know how to do best now.

[00:46:01]They will have cases on daily basis. Let us see those judges that will dance with illegality that will dance with that pidy. You see parties were not sleeping.

[00:46:11]We did all we expected to do. We attend all the public hearings. We made our presentations. We appear before all of the committees. So what again are you supposed to do? We appeared as he appeared for example what of the right of women did you find it there? No. Did you find it there? Because I didn't see it. I asked people I said show me are women going to have those seats again? Maybe there's a place it is. I didn't see it.

[00:46:35]But all of them they have wives, they have daughters, they love women. Some have concubines like David. But yet when you talk about women, you fight them.

[00:46:44]When you talk about women, they don't they run away.

[00:46:48]Even the ones we have, look at how they have treated them in the Senate.

[00:46:54]You see when the when you want to do evil no good will enter your ear and stay because you already you have a mindset of where you're going.

[00:47:08]Look at the amendment to the rules that you must have been in the Senate for eight consecutive years to be a principal officer in the 11th Senate.

[00:47:21]You are in the 10th Senate. You are determining for a senate that is yet to come.

[00:47:26]A senate you are not sure whether you will be there as some of them have fallen out.

[00:47:32]You are determining for it. You see you you have to be you have to even if you have done 8 years you must be part and parcel of this testate. How dare you?

[00:47:44]What is what is good about 10ate? We are the only ones. Nobody else will come and be principal officer. We are the only ones. Nobody else. Even if they have stayed 8 years, unless they in this senate, they will not be. Let me take him.

[00:47:59]Senator Fabio was no senator when he entered the Senate.

[00:48:04]Through his political maneuvering, he became a minority leader of the Senate.

[00:48:10]Against his party party's position, he stepped out, became a minister. He came back into the senate and became senate president. Senator has not done 8 years consecutively.

[00:48:25]So even now he's not qualified to be a senior president. That was the point Adam was making in the Senate and he warned him for the last time. A person that came to Senate as you did only that you are asked to preside over this place which you can be removed at any time and that person another lesser motor will occy the seat.

[00:48:47]So why would you make laws that will favor you and when you step out those laws will haunt you.

[00:48:57]So that was what they did.

[00:48:59]That's what they did. Unless you are in this particular senate. What is special about 10 senate? I have said it before.

[00:49:07]This 10th senate is the worst senate we have ever had since 1999. They have taken over from la senate. Law senate Nigerians call them robber stamp senate.

[00:49:20]But this one is robet promax.

[00:49:27]They don't think about any pill. They don't think about any request once it comes in adopted and they may not be in the interest of Nigeria.

[00:49:37]Once you have done the maneuvering in night, done the appropriate thing and all that pass.

[00:49:43]So what is particular about 10 senate?

[00:49:46]What?

[00:49:47]>> Let's switch in 2014.

[00:49:50]>> Yes.

[00:49:51]>> And I'm glad you referenced your closeness to president former president.

[00:49:55]>> Yes. Nigerians who were up in arms led by incidentally some of the key actors in government now.

[00:50:01]>> Yes.

[00:50:02]>> Mobilize Nigerians against President you remember the first subsidy and all that.

[00:50:10]>> Exactly. So 2014 precisely Nigerians rose up in arms against it. Oh it should free democratic space and all of that you know protesting and all of that. But in comparison to today, what is going on with destabilizing PDP, Labor Party, SDP, your party trying to even go ahead to register them in because of anticipatory, you know, use of, you know, platforms and all of that? Why are opposition and civil society organizations quiet? Why are you giving President a a free pass?

[00:50:44]>> You see, there are things I will not say here.

[00:50:46]>> You have to say it. Is it even affected their own uh their own organizations?

[00:50:50]>> It affected their own their own media.

[00:50:53]>> Yes.

[00:50:54]>> You see you see it's like just watch don't talk.

[00:50:59]>> Yes. Yes.

[00:51:00]>> That this I won't say here but our intelligence supplied us all that have transpired that what you are saying you are saying even when people are where are you where are you? Where are you? Where are you?

[00:51:14]You see, you see when you are fighting a good man and president Jonathan did the right thing. I've told you how even his national chairman of the party was against him and when we got to when we got to that young entrepreneurs meeting he spoke vifously where they will vote for Jonathan but by the time he came to Abuja went to the north he said don't vote for him you see there are a lot of hypocrisy a lot of treachery a lot of uh people don't believe people don't say what they believe in so don't bother yourself with that but what happened to President Jonathan it is God's revenge that has been happening to Nigeria since Bhari regime because the man did nothing. They wanted to blackmail him.

[00:51:56]They wanted to see all sorts of things against him.

[00:51:59]Okay. From f price of f when it was just increased minimally as if this the roof the heaven will fall. What's the price of f today even during bhari regime? So god has a way of paying people back in their own coins.

[00:52:17]Unless there is atonement until those who did it get back to Jonathan and say please we are sorry we did it unknowingly we are deceived blah blah blah and Jonathan accept it and they are forgiven from his heart what is chasing them some of them no matter where they are will continue to chase them for those who believe in God but for criminal shallow politicians they believe they are the god they can do anything nothing will happen but something will happen someday because there is a limit to the excess of man there is a limit you can go as a motor and I don't also like to to to accept that because uh uh you power you can just do what you like president Jonathan has finished today he's the most popular politician across across the globe with Ambassador.

[00:53:19]They call him here, they call him there.

[00:53:21]Because of that singular decision he took, President Jonathan was in a position to say nullify that election.

[00:53:28]One week, two weeks, it will fizzle out.

[00:53:31]But he say no.

[00:53:33]The blood of Nigeria should not be wasted for ambition.

[00:53:38]A man with conscience, a man brought up under good Christian home who saw the pecs of office and how he was living unjustifiably.

[00:53:51]People are saying that election jas election was rigged. I'm inside it was thoroughly rigged excessively rigged. I have said so I was in a function somewhere in the air force base. You were talking. I said just say that you know you read the election. You were telling >> yes I said you read the he stopped that point in the air force force we have the facts that election was rigged was rigged out but Jan didn't want he didn't want trouble okay let me go >> if you want me to go let me >> if you want to go let me go after all he has become president GC >> FR >> for 5 years >> you can you can't pick it on the street even for one day you are president GCFR so you can't pick it on the street that's a perfect gentleman it is The crime and the offense committed against Jonathan for doing nothing that you are suffering today.

[00:54:40]>> For those who believe fine if you don't believe that I leave it leave that that's how he talks. Okay. Go and get us from out from that problem. If that's how I talk you must do atonement.

[00:54:51]>> So Jonathan God >> of course you first of all have to apologize to the person >> and the person accepting you God will look at his eyes let it pass.

[00:55:02]You Nigeria was unfair to President Jonathan. Very very unfair because we have plotted we wanted to take power by hook or crook means and we did.

[00:55:14]If Jonathan had cancelled that election, what would have happened?

[00:55:17]>> Nothing.

[00:55:19]Nothing. Unjustifiably too that election was rigged massively. That's why you see 12 years, 11 years all those voting where they were doing thumb printing where they were using incident forms and everybody were clapping that because a president left. So that is that is a good election. I am in the system. I have been in the system. I understand it. So, but there are things you don't have to you don't have to put uh fuel on a bonfire.

[00:55:52]President Jonathan has gone, but we are still suffering it.

[00:55:56]>> God help us. We're in May 2026, Chief with elections um slated for I think February next month of January >> and of uh uh January 20th. Then I change it. What is the plan of your party, Senate Labor Party and the opposition generally to pre to prevent you know what is popularly perceived as going to be massive rigging because uh chief the APC did their primaries presidential primaries over the weekend >> and they said the president got 10.99 million votes >> which is more than the 8 >> n or so he got in the general elections >> and the party chairman came out the next day to say Oh 5 something million people as a peace members even the one of him said they don't know what he's talking about. So something that they are perfecting their rigging for for what is your party doing to save off imminent re >> you see you see we are still on our primaries >> we won't carry guns >> okay >> we I believe in how there's a super natural be that intervents in affairs of men if they're planning rigging Fine. Others will watch it and they read. Okay. I I don't believe in speculation but I read the handwriting at times. I read it and keep it somewhere and be watching it. Let me tell you this election will be the toughest.

[00:57:31]>> You think so?

[00:57:32]>> It will be very tough.

[00:57:33]>> In what ways?

[00:57:34]>> In every way.

[00:57:36]>> In every way.

[00:57:37]>> Kenyely contested.

[00:57:38]>> Of course.

[00:57:39]>> But the opposition you guys have, you have split your votes again.

[00:57:42]>> Don't worry. Let everybody march. Let everybody march >> and then we'll see how we go about it.

[00:57:48]>> So, there's still a game plan.

[00:57:50]>> You see, uh we met 3 days ago about seven parties.

[00:57:56]Uh anyway, let's not go there.

[00:58:01]>> Let's let's let's not go there. What we did was just a review of the process.

[00:58:05]>> We are going to meet again next week Monday. A review of the process. By Monday all the presidential candidates would have emerged. Then we start looking at them.

[00:58:15]We start looking at them. There are some we talk to. There are some say okay sit down. Look at what is important. See as he's done in other clients.

[00:58:25]>> This is our position about power. What do you have about power?

[00:58:29]You look at it. Look at the amount of money we have spent on power.

[00:58:34]>> Yes.

[00:58:35]>> On our refineries. When you say power, electricity, >> electricity, you go to supply on our refineries.

[00:58:46]>> So you see and we are still there.

[00:58:51]Motion, no movement, >> no progress.

[00:58:54]>> No progress. And you think we can continue?

[00:58:57]>> Our neighbors have passed this stage.

[00:59:00]And yet you see Nigerians, they be rationalizing what is not within the sphere.

[00:59:09]What Nigerians are asking for is service.

[00:59:13]What we're asking for is service, not who is there. But you see in this country it is better my man is there and be involved in corruption and stealing than somebody comes who will make Nigeria better for everybody.

[00:59:28]Once your man is there, you become deaf and dumb. But if the other man comes come and see attack, you come up with their with their venom on how he has to live.

[00:59:41]Nigeria will not grow that way. And you need a president that has gots to change things without looking at faces. We are not getting it yet.

[00:59:52]>> You are um Zenith.

[00:59:55]>> Yes.

[00:59:55]>> She's an interested party in River State local policies.

[01:00:00]You can you conducted the you won all the um chairmanship.

[01:00:05]>> No no that's that's Abia.

[01:00:07]>> Okay.

[01:00:07]>> In in rivers we won counselorship which the court nullified. Yes.

[01:00:12]>> No that's in Abia.

[01:00:13]>> That was no in Abia. I I want to tell you we don't want to do some people came for governorship. I told them do you think you can defeat OTI?

[01:00:24]I said yes is not doing anything. I said my friend too quiet.

[01:00:29]Be quiet. Since 1999, show me what the other governors did.

[01:00:35]I was seen on TV this morning.

[01:00:38]The bus terminal.

[01:00:40]>> It's like in Europe. None like it in this country. A small state.

[01:00:46]Go and look at the infrastructure. Look at things he has done. Aba, that was a no-go area. The heart, the commercial center of Abia state. I said my friend you must give me a blueprint to show me item by item how you can defeat. So I don't want you to to waste your money tomorrow you start crying.

[01:01:06]>> Now the reason why I brought up uh your your passing a river scissors um okay chinder as a mc governorship candidate even though he is a minority leader on the platform of the how do you respond to this withdrew and all of that? You see, River State has taught us a new political uh philosophy and structure and uh and we are learning keenly.

[01:01:31]>> You are saying that nobody can belong to two political parties. That is what the National Assembly is saying.

[01:01:36]>> Yes, >> in the act.

[01:01:38]>> No, it's not in the act.

[01:01:39]>> Okay.

[01:01:39]>> It's not in the act.

[01:01:40]>> That what they're saying. They wrote something that suggests that.

[01:01:44]>> Okay.

[01:01:44]>> But it's not what is there.

[01:01:46]>> But why should I belong to two political parties? If I may ask, if I'm tired of you, I dregister and go to another one.

[01:01:53]That is the right given to me by chapter four of the constitution, I can move. I don't need their permission to move.

[01:02:01]So, uh although people have facts by the time he moved to become candidate of APC, APC has submitted this register.

[01:02:18]The original register is with some people as I'm talking to you. Oh, >> his name is not there.

[01:02:23]>> So people are waiting.

[01:02:25]His name is not there.

[01:02:27]>> You see, but in this country once he had the right right right place or you at the right uh group connected to right place, anything can happen. Anything just anything it can be maneuvered and they can go and change they can go and change that register. But the original CTC has been collected. So you see you see this is this is the problem we have.

[01:02:54]You don't make rules to suit the purpose. Chinda is a parliamentarian I love so much very useful very strong. He knows how to master his house but you see the politics of uh rivers is interesting and Fubara uh I don't know why he I don't talk I not spoken I' not talked to him I've not spoken to him uh but when I discuss with people I say look is this man not seeing this thing is this man not seeing this thing it's like somebody escorted to go >> you know what is go in the bible a place of the skull that's why they slaughter they cut off the skull somebody was escorted to go >> until they die minute but here's an option if he has courage >> I'll give you the option for can contest >> good we are with this case we have up to September to close both the register and submission of names The act is there. The decision of justice um >> of course the act said 200 look there will be litigations whether justice or not justice if I put my own you refuse is there after choosing the date of election which I've chosen to be uh January 20th >> I have 200 days before the election to submit my names if I say say no I go to court for can in September >> are you sure it's 200 days or 120 days >> 200 days >> are you sure It's 120 days.

[01:04:34]>> Well, whatever it is, >> I think it's 120 days.

[01:04:36]>> Well, whatever it is, it is not August.

[01:04:38]>> Yes, of course.

[01:04:39]>> Good. So, what am I saying? What I'm saying is Fubara can run, Fubara can contest and I still hold this strongly that any platform Fubara goes, he will still be governor.

[01:04:57]The interest is to vote for Tibu. No problem. Let all of you put your votes together but let us release the names of governorship candidates in reverse.

[01:05:08]The equation will change. Forget about all this now. We are going to win everywhere. No, it doesn't work.

[01:05:14]How will run for you to run? You must make sacrifices.

[01:05:20]What is the sacrifice?

[01:05:22]You have to leave your office before September.

[01:05:28]Pull out from APC.

[01:05:30]Go to the party you want September, October, November, December, forever 6 months. Let them take it.

[01:05:38]Go and take of any other party under substitution.

[01:05:46]You will see what will happen in reverse. I am not talking based on assumptions.

[01:05:51]>> I'm not talking based on hired crowd.

[01:05:54]>> People are paid money. They come and make noise. on the day of voting everybody will be in his in his pooling unit and the game will change. Let me tell you something. The owner of this uh No, not this one. You know your blessed memory when we are campaigning for him >> to become senator >> to become governor.

[01:06:12]>> Governor. Okay.

[01:06:13]>> He was to take over from P2B.

[01:06:14]>> Oh wow.

[01:06:16]>> Before we are not coming.

[01:06:19]So I moved my boxes >> under Labor Party.

[01:06:22]>> Under Labor Party. I moved my boxes to at my own expense for us to start our campaign. When I arrived, he said, "Chair, I discover this local government uh campaign, we will not embark on it.

[01:06:36]We we will concentrate on uh group group B." I said, "Which one is group and B?"

[01:06:43]He said, "Don't worry, we'll go somewhere in the evening." In the evening, he came and carried me in the hotel with his group. We went to one church program out of town. I don't know how many hectares of land they occupying. Even before we got there, you see women, you see vehicles, women lapping their babies, breastfeeding their babies. We dropped about 1 kilometer to walk to the venue.

[01:07:06]>> A sea of crowd.

[01:07:08]>> Honestly, till today I was asking myself, are these human beings or all those that are dead in Nigeria?

[01:07:14]>> And the minute they enter the place turned into something. So as we are going back, he said, "Justment, >> you see this?" I said, "Yes." I asked him on the door of election where would they be? He said what do you mean? I said on the door of voting where would they be?

[01:07:33]He kept quiet. I said they will be in their various villages. He said yes they won't remember here. By time they got home they will key into the politics of the place.

[01:07:45]So this crowd is for fizz because he produced them a church in that place.

[01:07:54]I said this that is how it works.

[01:07:59]I say I'm going I carried my t and left after the election reps is the fact speaks to itself. They said ch you were right. I said when you people with money you know because we don't have the kind of money you people you say there's one problem with rich people if you advising them most rich people if you're advising them they will say if you have all this knowledge why not rich as I am that's all of them think if you have all this knowledge you don't want me to do this >> absolutely when you guys said chair I should have listened to but that I told him I told him off and that was the last I entered That was the last I entered docker.

[01:08:43]So it's not a question of h you want to do this you want to do that when it comes to close to that time all this will vanish people will not get to their polling units the facts will be on the table where the game is >> that's where the game is why should we communities discuss tell me why we should vote here >> this man that did this this man that did this this man that did this or is it this man that didn't do this this man that did this against us where do we Oh, we have never seen this one.

[01:09:13]>> Oh, we never seen this one before.

[01:09:14]>> Saw this one yesterday.

[01:09:17]>> That is how it works.

[01:09:19]>> So, uh uh what was that issue again >> about Fubara?

[01:09:24]>> So, Fubara can run.

[01:09:26]>> Okay.

[01:09:28]>> Fubara enjoys over 80% of the people.

[01:09:33]>> If Fubara today says, "President Tibu, I won't vote for you and the vote is counted, Tibu will lose rivers." You know why he's showing that will make visible presence in rivers is because Fubara has killed in there.

[01:09:47]>> I am saying it. I'm not talking. I'm not. My people are in river. It's >> not because of their No, my people are in rivers.

[01:09:53]My people are in rivers and they know when I'm asking the question, don't you don't tell me lies.

[01:10:00]If you say today, sorry my people, I'm no longer for president based on so and so. Saying it, President has already lost 60% of his votes.

[01:10:11]But he's good. He remains to show faith.

[01:10:13]He's a gentleman. To show good faith, he has pronounced it. If the issue is presidential election, okay, go and do it. But for the governorship, if he still wants to be governor, he can still run and become governor.

[01:10:26]>> Let me ask you sir.

[01:10:27]>> Yes.

[01:10:28]>> The inquiries have dominated reverse governorship since this first republic and then finally brought Fubber and he has gi you have decided he's not going to go. Now you have got to bring your fellow equal man. So is it that the judge who are inceding the largest ethnic you know ethnicity in state are they been systematically exterminated holistically speaking? Well, I don't want to get involved in that equ thing.

[01:10:58]They just are there and they're strong enough >> to defend themselves.

[01:11:07]You see just like in IMO if you allow election in IO state to continue the way we've been doing it the zone will continue to produce the governor but now in the EDS council you remember >> I'm a member of the EMO state eders council and I was the chairman I'm still the chairman of the tech uh strategy committee that matter was referred to us. It was in my committee that we got what I'll call EMO charter of equity.

[01:11:52]My committee discussed it. You say look alo my in-laws we have you have done this thing for so long did 8 years roach has did 8 years is doing 8 years >> that's 24 >> that's 24 years just did four did 6 months so why not carry a Let this thing move for justice and equity.

[01:12:29]>> You said all of these people you mentioned are they from >> wrote and the current governor Senator Hope is >> okay.

[01:12:42]>> Okay. So we said okay let us I came four years okay let away they test it my committee pushed it to the others council's council endorsed it we said okay let us get the governor to key into it we met the governor governor keyed into it >> where Nigeria used to as we or who is the biggest threat to our democracy where Nigeria used to be what is or who is the biggest threat to this democracy listeners and the police, >> greedy, wicked and devilish politicians.

[01:13:17]They're the wicked. They're the threat to democracy.

[01:13:20]>> Yeah.

[01:13:21]>> Greedy, wicked >> and devilish politicians.

[01:13:24]>> Is there a scenario sir um where you have reflected deeply you know that the quest to remove president democratically has become impossible or is it still feasible?

[01:13:36]>> Uh you see all we are saying is let the vote count. let >> and let the vote be counted.

[01:13:44]>> You know, I don't know whether it was telling that said it is not the voter >> that determines the winner.

[01:13:52]>> Yes, it is the person that counts the votes.

[01:13:56]But I don't think that will be the case and that's why I said President still has opportunity to write some wrongs.

[01:14:04]This is May. He can write some wrongs before the first ballot.

[01:14:09]But there are areas he has actually hurt people.

[01:14:13]There are many areas he has hurt people.

[01:14:15]He didn't do the right thing. Let me even ask it. Why must you be making appointments the way Bhari tribalized it? Why >> you mean there is not that person?

[01:14:28]I if I'm president today, do you know where I have problem in appointing people? Is from the southeast all other parts of the country. It will be easy for me to pick maybe because of my background.

[01:14:42]Why you look at the whole place it is it is the same tribe.

[01:14:49]>> You see you see the difference between Tibu and Bhari when I was talking about tribal ethnicity position and all that is that Buhari has a better and larger followership than Tibbo.

[01:15:05]read it.

[01:15:06]>> Yes. Buhari had uh what will I call it?

[01:15:12]Supporters who are committed to him in everything in all he did no wrong.

[01:15:21]Tinibu cannot say that even of the west of all that President Buhari did during his tener no serious not condemned him but is getting some facts from the southwest >> serious one >> because Eurobas I have been with them since 1978 Eurobas don't support evil Eurobas don't support injustice. If you like, put a gun on their head. If you are doing wrong, they will tell you. At worst, if they cannot talk to you, they start foring you from another root. That is the character of the Euroban.

[01:16:04]So, Tableu cannot be making his appointment in the same way as Buhari did it thinking that they say after all Buhari did it, they're not.

[01:16:16]is not happy with president Tinibu letting know that people around him tell don't worry that was how they also deceived Jonathan to the extent that it was alleged that even one governor be one minister collected 4 billion for prayers happening at the end of the day it is all deceit you won't look at the leader and tell him the truth because of your office you forgot if the leader falls you fall with him.

[01:16:48]So you should be in a position to tell your leader or your friend in office look at this I don't think it is right so that when the come comes to become according to KM by the way you will say did I not mention it to you so president Tibu should not assume that but he wasn't like that even as governor I knew many people from different tribes tibu gave solidarity then what has changed What has changed that you remove an EU man, you put Euroba, you remove, you put Euroba.

[01:17:26]Even Eurobas are not happy about it.

[01:17:28]Unlike the Unlike the North that was happy with what Bhari was doing, >> you remove somebody from Jam.

[01:17:34]>> Exactly.

[01:17:34]>> You put another Euroba after 8 years.

[01:17:37]>> There is no other person you can find in Nigeria.

[01:17:40]>> President Tibu, read my lips, all these things will count against you. And what I saying now that if you could do this now what will happen during your second tener this will count against you anybody can see me as enemy of your government but I have told you the truth it will count against you it is a major issue when the time comes to um imolites who are vifing where you have you have wowed me with your um so excellent recommendation of governor >> I'm not I'm I'm not commending hope. I'm not his government. I'm not his payroll.

[01:18:16]>> And I hope they get across this.

[01:18:18]>> I don't care. It doesn't matter. I don't >> some fear.

[01:18:21]>> I to be fair at times hope through his aid will say come and worship with me on Sunday. I will go and worship. I don't enter government house unless when I'm asked. That has been my principle. I don't go if you ask me to come, I will come. If you don't ask me to come, you won't see me. I'm not a hanger son. I have a profession.

[01:18:42]I'm a lawyer.

[01:18:44]and I feed from it. So what I would say is the government should try as much as possible. Anyway, he's not looking for second term. In fact, Governor Hope has worked more now than his first tenant.

[01:18:56]Even when he has no obligation to do so like other governor, second they start packing money, he has worked more and he's working more now. All I can advise them is spend some money on media. Bring out all these things you have done. Nigerians don't know and that's why they still attacking the governor.

[01:19:13]But it doesn't matter whether you like Governor Hope or not. Emo people, real patriotic, sensible emo people are with Governor Hopus anymore because he has changed positively what hat used to be an abatross for them. So you cannot you cannot you cannot write. Let them spend some money on media. Bring out these things one after the other. Let people see your cases.

[01:19:38]>> Show your cases. There is no way people will know what you are doing when you have not brought it out. It is not enough to talk to show commissioning and all that. No, all these projects put them take them take them to uh symphony, take them to arise, take them to channel, take them to TVC, take them to everywhere for the first time. Spend some money on media so that people will know what you are doing because there are still people there who think that they're not doing anything. It's only those of us who are in the state. That was my impression until you started saying this because of the high esteem I owed you. I believe what you say.

[01:20:11]>> I don't I don't talk anyhow.

[01:20:12]>> Land of your thoughts on the zoning formula introduced by your uh strategy committee of the indust.

[01:20:19]>> Yes, I sorry.

[01:20:22]Uh governor brought into it. He had made three strong statements on it. So in our last meeting last month I also got up to thank the elders for that opportunity that this charter has come to stay. We ped a courty call on the governor governor say go and look for a zone go and look for a credible candidate is coming to the senator zone after that it will go to after that it will come to you see the reason is there are also good people in alo but you see we cannot we cannot rer to paper alo my in-laws my wife is from there we cannot allow you to be doing this there are other better people the other side so that this thing can circulate and in that in the entire southeast it is in an if you go to Anra now ask any an amra man after where will the next governor come from >> after >> sorry after soludo professor soludo where would the next governor if you ask 10 people 10 people will tell you from where where they will get the next governor dto dia you see that's anra all the places so we are now joining In that rotation, rotation helps. It brings friendliness, brings orderliness, brings peace, >> equity, >> equity, >> justice.

[01:21:50]>> But if you allow to continue, Alo has the highest local government. Even though IMO have the highest population, but alo has a wall penetrating and to get support while their vote will be intact. So that's why this and that's the thing that's happening in rivers. Yes, it has gone to uh ejors and now they taking it away.

[01:22:13]That's why I say the jaws have the right to say this is what we want or this is not what we want. It is not for me to fight for them. But all the contributions and interventions I made during that crisis were patriotically made and they were the right thing to be done. So if a job insist that they have been short changed led all the candidates in March then you know what to do. But I tell you, Fubara can still run as governor. You must make sacrifice. If you make sacrifice, move to another party, pick a ticket, you will be governor. But the president's vote, you have assured him, fine. And I have also told him if you said I'm not going there again. It will go. Let president not be deceived. Forget about all this money being thrown everywhere.

[01:23:00]On the day of voting, everybody will be in his house and the game will change.

[01:23:04]>> Yes.

[01:23:05]>> Thank you. It's been an awesome 2 hours or so having Thanks.