Talking Pollarding - 5/11/2026 TreeStuff LIVE!

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[00:03:48]>> [music] >> Good afternoon everybody. Happy Monday.

[00:03:54]Uh, I'm joining you live today from Boston, Massachusetts here in my home office. Kale, where are you at today, buddy?

[00:04:02]>> I am in my home office in Fort Wayne, Indiana, uh, looking currently at my uh, bed and [snorts] the two cats who are having what seems to be the most incredible nap of all time. Uh, very jealous of them right now. But um yeah, but I'm here >> making your way >> making your way in from a classified location uh where you've been on deployment. [laughter] Uh but super jazzed uh to have you in. We've got a uh semi- busy agenda today. We don't have a guest today. Um but we are going to talk about some fun stuff. Uh I'm going to be at North American Tree Climbing Championship later this week and so will Kale. Uh that's going to be really exciting. It'll be a fun opportunity stop, say hi to us, maybe shoot a little bit of video with us or something like that. Uh Kale is gonna run a little slideshow of some photos that I took on my recent uh family vacation uh to Japan. Uh and uh I want to talk about uh some of the pruning practices over there. Primarily uh the polarding that is done uh which I was just fascinated by. So, um, if anybody, uh, here on the channel has kind of like a bead on, uh, polarding or pruning or just wants to talk about it, maybe Nicareo wants to call in. I texted him twice. Uh, but yeah, I want to talk about polarding. Um, I've got some new gear. There's something in a box right here, uh, that I haven't opened yet. I'm hoping that it's the new gear that I, uh, ordered. We're going to find out.

[00:05:40]Maybe it's something else. Um, and uh, geography. I'm not What are we talking about geography, Kale?

[00:05:47]>> Uh, uh, I think we're gonna try to get >> throw that in to see if I can read it.

[00:05:51]>> We're we're going to get to the the the the basis of like of where Wales is, I think, is uh, is the whole idea. We're we're going to end this conversation live on air.

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[00:06:07]And then at the end, we are going to go ahead and give away three $100 gift certificates to Treeuff uh for winners of the tree.com/in uh uh page that we have uh contest that's ongoing every week uh for this um Nick uh NATC what is it?

[00:06:35]NATC is the largest annual organized tree climbing championship held in the United States or in North America. I guess it's not always in the US. Um but it is uh primarily here in the US. Um and it is uh a competition for all North American ISA chapters and each chapter can send a team of competitors to NATC uh which also does accept competitors from Europe. So if you wanted to come, you could. Uh, and there's details about that on their page. But basically, it's kind of like the allstar game of North American culture. Um, so cool. And this year it's going to be held at Davey's Seed Campus in Kent, Ohio, which I'm super jazzed about. Uh, I'm from Cleveland, Ohio. Uh, that's where I was born and raised, which is just a little bit north of Kent. Um, you know, everyone's probably heard of Kent, right? The CCR song. Uh, Tin Soldiers and Nixon's Coming. This summer, you'll hear the Drummond. You know, that song's about Kent, Kent State University.

[00:07:43]>> Yep. Real happy. Real happy stuff.

[00:07:47]>> Well, I mean, whatever. It was a long time ago, but [laughter] that's essentially where um I mean, people have heard that song, Gail. I didn't make it up or make it happen. Uh but anyways, um that's where this is being held. Davey's new seed campus. Davey's been in Kent since forever ago. Um I think when uh Dave Joy took over, he built the campus uh in Kent. Um, and now they have their new seed campus which has like a 60 or 70,000 square foot uh testing facility and training facility as well as like a 10,000 square foot vertical climbing facility that's all indoors for vertical climbing training and stuff like that.

[00:08:28]Um, so I'm I'm really excited to go down and see the seed campus. Uh, that's definitely a big goal of mine. Um, to check that out. Uh, and it and then the climbing is going to be awesome. So uh you'll see here uh Thursday uh is when uh competitors uh and sponsors will be checking in. Uh there will be a walkthrough. Friday, Saturday, Sunday is when the action is if you're coming to check out the event if you want to go see it. It is free to attend as I read on the site. Um and it's it really does promise to be quite the show, Kale. it.

[00:09:03]Yeah, I mean, this is kind of the the end of the championships throughout the season, I guess. Um, so yeah, I'm very excited. Uh, there's always, you know, every time that we go to one of these, we see a lot of the same people that we've seen at other competitions, which is great. we see the new faces coming up where um you know you can kind of tell that like this is somebody who's a fresh not like a a Mark Chisum who's been in for I don't know 60 years something like that but you know maybe like Fabian >> yeah Fabian who's been in maybe eight years and like you're you're you're seeing this kid and you're like yeah he's he's about it he's ready to be a professional >> girlfriend just so you know >> Mhm. H >> Fabian has children.

[00:09:53]>> Yeah, I know. Yeah, Fabian's got kids.

[00:09:56]>> You can't really call him You can't really call him a kid.

[00:09:58]>> I guess that's true.

[00:10:00]>> Uh [laughter] this young guy who um who is just a killer and we're really excited to see him. If you're not familiar with the ISA competition format, there are five main events uh and they are separated uh by men and women. And the competitors are looking to achieve the highest accumulated score across those five events. And they do that by placing uh in the top of each of those events. And you have throw line, blade speed climb, the timed ascent event, which is different than blade speed climb. So blade speed climb is in the tree like using the tree itself and the ascent event is an ascent up a rope with timed portions for setup and switch over uh to descent. You also have aerial rescue and then you have kind of the you know what many would consider the premier event of the five uh which is the work climb which is a topdown uh climb that is comprised of generally about three to five stations which include a handsaw, a pull saw and then uh sometimes a limb toss and then always usually some kind of landing component uh where you're landing on a target. Um, and the climbers go up to the top and they're they're ready and waiting and then they blow like an air horn usually and then it's, you know, a big jumping swing and they run out and uh it's very action-packed. Uh, it's really a lot of fun. Um, and that's the the five events.

[00:11:32]The combined scores for those, the event will usually choose between three to five competitors in both men's and the women's divisions to go to a master's climb. Kale, do you want to talk about the masters? So, the master's climb is kind of where it just all comes together and that is the uh end all uh uh the fullon work climb uh that there is. So, um I'm not I'm trying to find on here. I found it before. Had to restart my computer. Now, I can't find the rules for it uh of the master's climb. Um >> it's a ground up it's a groundup challenge, right? So you'll see the competitors will come in and they will actually do like a full role play of like setting up an emergency action plan, getting out their water, a first aid kit. They will do a a visual inspection of the tree and the trunk, the work site. Sometimes they'll set up cones. I mean uh it really uh can be a wide variety of presentations, but after that they have to set their own line from the ground using a throw throw line. Uh I've seen competitors not get off the ground in 30 minutes, which >> yeah, super reminiscent of me uh as a like a arborist, as a paid arborist. It took me longer than 30 minutes to get in the tree usually. Um >> maybe that's why I'm not an arborist anymore. I don't know. Uh [laughter] but no, I mean the truth is it's really hard. Um >> well, that's that's the idea. That's why it's a master's climb, right?

[00:13:03]>> Right. And they'll hit their tie in.

[00:13:04]They'll like literally walk in like do all that jazz and then like pick up the throw ball and just like boom.

[00:13:09]>> Yeah.

[00:13:09]>> Like highest point in the tree like the one that everybody's looking at and they'll hit it on the first shot instantly isolate. It's it's really a spectacle.

[00:13:17]>> So, here we are with the the the here's this is the Illinois Arborist uh association master climb rules. There's a handsaw station uh where you have to reach the station uh use a handsaw by smacking a bell.

[00:13:32]like all all of the different you have to use your calls, your allcle uh or your sand clear uh call. You have to be in have your lanyard installed correctly, ring the bell with a handsaw, limb toss station, limb walk station. Um and this is all after you actually get up into the tree correctly. Um, and a big part of this is harping on the safety requirements because this is still this is a very dangerous thing to do is to get up 30 ft into a tree even though a lot of the people who are doing this do do it on a daily basis. Um, so that's still something that is very very important in these competitions and something that people get judged on. Um, and uh, uh, yeah. So, like that's kind of the culmination of a lot of the different events throughout the weekend.

[00:14:27]You know, there's a separate throw line event, a separate uh um uh just ascent just straight up. There's uh oftent times a uh a delayed speed climbing event where you just climb up the tree, scramble it like you're a 5-year-old, but you can go up higher because you have uh someone blaying you the whole time. Um, >> they're also going to have kids events.

[00:14:51]There are kids events scheduled as well as the whole Arbor Fair, uh, which I'm excited to see. Um, it really promises to be a great event. And, you know, I say this a lot, Kale, but like attending a tree climbing competition changed my life for the better. Uh people that have that watch the show every week have probably heard this before, but you know I came in last place uh at the Ohio Tree Climbing Championship and uh at the time I was a customer of a different arborist store and I got a box and it had a tree stuff sticker on it and it had a rope wrench in it and like that's what started my journey not only as a tree stuff customer but as a like premium arborist as somebody who was like trying to enrich and better myself and like that's when I started making product videos and um it really like kicked it off for me and I I the community of people that you meet at these events is second to none. Uh getting involved with the ISA uh is a really important step I think for everyone that's out here as a professional arborist. Um and yeah, get to one of these events as a spectator.

[00:15:54]Sign up as a person to hold a clipboard or a stopwatch. you know, uh there's there's a ton of really great ways to meet other people that are passionate about the arburous industry. You know, if you're listening to this, you obviously are passionate. Um if you're not going to these events, you should be. So hopefully we'll see you at the North American Tree Climbing Championship this Friday, Saturday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday. And if you do see us, >> there might be some coupon codes, some abilities, some some opportunities to have your face on our YouTube channel.

[00:16:28]>> I might be giving out some gift cards.

[00:16:29]If I can if I can find my stack of gift cards, Gail, >> let's Yep. I I think I might have them.

[00:16:34]Do I have them?

[00:16:36]>> I think you have a stack. You should bring those for me so we can hand them out.

[00:16:39]>> Yeah, we'll figure it out.

[00:16:40]>> Money.

[00:16:41]>> Okay. Um, I think the next thing we wanted to talk about, we wanted to go back to Japan. Uh, Nick just came back from Japan.

[00:16:50]>> I do want to I do want to go back there.

[00:16:51]It was awesome.

[00:16:52]>> Yeah, I'm after seeing your photos, I it makes me want to go even more now. Um, but so what we talked about last time involved uh some of this kind of extreme polarding.

[00:17:08]Um, let me find a good image. I actually got it finally to stop doing it on shuffling. So I I mean for this >> these gardens were just incredible. Uh as you're just kind of randomly paging through. But >> yeah, >> um >> you're going really fast.

[00:17:28]>> I'm going very fast because I wanted to get to some of the really extreme kind of controversial polarding.

[00:17:41]that was happening here. This tree is absolutely gargantuan. That's probably three people wide. So, I don't know what the the DBH is on that, but um yeah, I >> I'm not sure what's happening with that ginko, but it was it was crazy.

[00:18:00]>> We had a lot of talk uh about the practice of polarding on these trees. Here we go.

[00:18:08]>> There we go.

[00:18:10]I don't know what I'm doing here with this.

[00:18:13]>> I I You're making me You're You're starting to give me uh making me sick with the spinning pictures.

[00:18:19]>> You You You talk, close your eyes, and just start talking about your experience.

[00:18:23]>> I'm going to have to walk away. Uh can we just freeze on what any one of these?

[00:18:27]>> That's what I'm trying to do here.

[00:18:29]>> I don't know why it's not doing this.

[00:18:31]>> Flowers.

[00:18:33]>> Ah, >> those are also flowers.

[00:18:36]>> Slide mode. There we go. Manual. Okay.

[00:18:39]All right, I have it in manual mode now.

[00:18:41]I can >> uh This was a bonsai tree. You're moving me around now. Just really trying to make me sick. Moving me behind the photos. Uh [laughter] I apologize uh to everyone that was watching. If you were listening to that, I also apologize. Um this is a bonsai tree actually that they told us outgrew its pot a few hundred years ago and was maintained uh daily by monks. Uh so I don't know that I would include this in the polarding discussion. Uh but it was fantastic and um look at the use of this bamboo like scaffolding to uh both support and uh create positioning for the the people pruning it. I guess I I'm not even sure to be honest.

[00:19:27]>> It's pretty amazing. I one of the things I understand I think I understand at least about the practice of bonsai is that there's never really an end point to what you're trying to do to this tree. So the idea that it is this large and they keep training it in this way uh I is very interesting because there's there's sort of a goal in that you want this limb to go this direction but there's no end point of where you're ever going to say this is done. So when they're when the goals are accomplished with these bamboo structures here, it's like where do we go next from that? Uh which is really interesting to me that this can be some >> this can be a project over hundreds of years and this one can just keep going for more and you know infinitely. Uh >> the people that are working on this can call it whatever they want to. I just want to be like super clear about that and their what they decide to call it means a lot more than anything that I think. But I would love for someone to correct me. I think that technically this stopped being a bonsai when they stopped maintaining and constraining the roots, >> right? So, when the roots stopped being trimmed in a pot uh on some type of of scheduled basis, I think it was technically stopped being a bonsai um and maybe transitioned into more polarding at that point, but I I am not sure. I would love for someone uh more or even less knowledgeable than me to comment on it. Uh but yeah, this tree was absolutely gorgeous. Um, and the scale of the branches to like the amount of space between the branches in the foliage and then like the transition from like the foliage bearing branches to the like to where those connected was kind of otherworldly. The whole thing was really um >> yeah all this all that foilage foliage is so even >> which is interesting.

[00:21:38]And this is this picture doesn't do it justice, but there was a tremendous amount and you can see in kind of the right foreground of the photo, there was a tremendous amount of new growth on this tree. So, it's not as if it wasn't growing. There was there was all that bright green that you see sticking up is like 3 to 4 inches of new growth, right?

[00:21:55]So, like >> if that happened in the time since whatever it was last trimmed, like clearly that's it's very active maintenance. Uh somebody is coming through there with like little snips and and trimming it.

[00:22:07]>> Yeah.

[00:22:08]>> Uh >> um I please I am I I've got four or five different things going on here with the uh the broadcast that I'm trying to manage. Uh call us 8334987337 or 83 fixed trees. Um so that you can chat with us.

[00:22:28]>> We want to hear from you.

[00:22:29]>> Yeah. Let's let's we want to hear from you about uh some of these things that we've seen about uh tree climbing competitions.

[00:22:38]Um >> this whole maple tree was was like the size of me making a snow angel, maybe a little bit bigger, right? Like uh if you think about just you know me doing jumping jacks maybe um and you can just see the generations the seasons of polarding that have been performed on this uh you know if you did this to a tree in front of a hospital or an art museum or something here in the US I I think people would be like a ghast >> it was it was incredibly beautiful in its in its setting and in in its sense and like yeah here's a little farther off picture, you can see kind of that whole branch. Um, and it obviously worked, right? These people weren't doing this to this tree uh in, you know, this this garden full of maintained items for no reason, right? That's what I kept coming back to.

[00:23:33]>> It's a um >> I think an it's an interesting [laughter] >> What is my man doing?

[00:23:43]>> I don't know.

[00:23:45]Somebody's got >> you do that in Texas and you might uh reach into your pants like that in Texas. Somebody might shoot at you.

[00:23:52][laughter] >> Um >> look at that prop though. That tree prop is so cool. Yeah. Um and what you can't see uh in this detail, but I have in a few other photos of similar props is that there's actually like a piece of bamboo uh at the top there forming like the top of of the A-frame. Um and it almost looks like the Shinto gate. Uh >> but um >> yeah, and that's uh in a lot of cases actually lashed to the tree. Uh which I have a few photos of um in the in this as well. Uh this is a picture of uh I am going to say with very high certainty a GKO tree um which were the uh most prominent street trees that I saw. Um, yeah, that's GKO. And, uh, you can just see how heavily this has been polarded.

[00:24:45]It looks as if it was topped at like 12 in or something. Um, my guess is that it probably wasn't topped at that extreme and that it's it's that this is the result of of like decades of polarding at the top here and that it was probably topped when it was about, you know, the size of an arm.

[00:25:03]>> Yeah. Uh, but I just I found this infinitely uh interesting. Um, these the way that these were trimmed. That's the Hiroshima bomb dome. Um, and these uh were some of the flowers and plants and you see some of the epipites and stuff that were growing around it were just really incredible.

[00:25:26]Sorry, I uh just threw all these kind of nature photos in one bin. I probably should delete some of these. Uh here's another example of like a pine tree that had been, you know, again, very actively polarded. Um to me, you know, this shows a balance between I want this tree here and I it can't get too big or I won't know what to do with it. That's I felt like in a lot of ways that was the community's expression through this tree trimming.

[00:26:01]That's the really just gargantuan tree there.

[00:26:05]>> I think Can you go back to that one, >> Kill?

[00:26:08]>> I think what you're seeing here is what's happening in the like whatever this tree is in the background. This might this isn't a ginko, I don't think.

[00:26:17]But see this tree and this like the second tree to the right.

[00:26:20]>> Yep.

[00:26:21]>> And how it like this is the these are just two of the same and like this is a bunch of stems like intertwined together. Uh I'd be really curious if anyone in the chat um or any of the viewers know what kind of tree this is or why this uh happened like this.

[00:26:38]>> That's I mean that that's decades and decades of of there [snorts] being a plan. Uh which I think is an interesting um an interesting thing to think about uh compared to >> go back a p two pictures there.

[00:26:59]uh see this uh polard on the left of this building here.

[00:27:04]>> So often, you know, in our own parks and and in residential and commercial plantings, you know, whether by accident or or design, we see one tree planted underneath another tree. And you see this tree to the right is obviously much taller, right? And instead of these two trees competing for space, the one on the left is very actively managed. And you know, you could argue improperly trimmed, right? I you could make that argument. I'm not making that argument.

[00:27:33]Uh but you could. Uh but look at just the gorgeous form factor of it. How well it fits into that space. Um and what a meaningful part of this like really serene garden setting it is. I I I think I sound like a broken record at this point, but um this is an episode to maybe come check out on video if you're listening to it. Uh the the way that this tree was been plotted is just so awesome.

[00:27:56]>> Yeah. Well, not only that tree, but this tiny island in the front here [laughter] has two tiny little trees that are definitely Yeah. the height of a tree that's maybe 5 years old in nature, but has the foliage and has definitely been, you know, that might be a 20, 30 year old tree there. It's >> who knows >> three four feet tall and has all that foliage. Um >> it might be the same tree kill.

[00:28:27]>> Oh, but that also could be. Yeah, it's uh it's a it's a really interesting thing to look at. You know, um Lindsay talking about prescriptive pruning practices. Um he's he he's talking about bringing to a client an idea of um hey this is the next five years of the plan to create to keep your tree healthy and growing uh in a way that is best for uh for the tree and for your use of the tree. Um, and so it's really interesting to see these trees that are part of a literally a garden where you're going, here's somebody had to have created a plan of here's the next 30 years of how to prune this tree and the plan for this. Um, yeah, >> I thought I had Lindsay's book here on my desk, but uh, we have it online now and you should definitely check it out.

[00:29:31]>> Yes, anything with Lindsay Purcell.

[00:29:33]Check that out. He's awesome. Um, he's the best at this. I would like if anyone please call us 8334987337 about uh this image here. This is >> someone last week said this was common in adventure parks here in North America. And I agree that I've seen this type of of thing, but >> uh this was the only piece of tree care that I saw that kind of I was like, "Oh no, >> I wish they'd used a rig eyee or like an aani bolt here." Um, >> but when you look, you have this adjustability here with uh u >> with the two straps.

[00:30:13]>> Yeah, with those two straps. Like >> that's that that makes sense. Um yeah, I would be interested to talk to someone about that. Um there's your tennis courts. You talked about that last time.

[00:30:23]Here's some more tree gardens.

[00:30:26]Um yeah, just absolutely gargantuan uh structures. I learned how to tie that knot.

[00:30:35]>> I can't quite tell what it is. It's such a loose uh braid on that.

[00:30:43]>> Well, forget about the rope. I learned to tie that lashing knot. Uh which is like you just use like a inverted like um girth hitch and then bring the tails around and cross them through it and it literally pull it. It cinches the things together and holds them perpendicularly.

[00:31:00]Oh, [clears throat] >> is this really?

[00:31:04]So, this is one of the earlier I say earlier this how old is this tree at this point?

[00:31:12]>> Uh, these are 12 inches in diameter.

[00:31:16]>> I mean, those cuts are at least 6 in at the smallest, you know. I mean, maybe the tiniest things you're seeing up there are like wrist size even, but yeah, these cuts were shocking. And uh for you know every like everything's got a line, right? I've been talking about how much I like this polarding. I see these cuts and I'm like wow like is that is this too far? And I just I don't know enough I guess like I'm not knowledgeable enough. Is this fine? Is this like if we saw this in America we would say no this is not fine. I get that. Yeah. You know the ISA test you see a picture of this and it's like fine not fine. She's not fine. Uh but like I to look around, you know, I didn't see a lot of tree care trucks with huge chippers, you know, from taking out trees like this because they were dying, right?

[00:32:09]>> Uh >> I saw guys with like, you know, like mesh nets putting them over all the gardens and doing the tree work, you know, on ladders with, you know, hand tools. So, >> um >> yeah, I'm curious what people think about this. Uh this was actually this photo was at the edge of that those was like the last couple photos of that really ornate garden. These trees were part of that property. So uh this wasn't like yeah part of this property. So it wasn't as if this was like some fly by night thing that happened. Um, this is uh at that was from the top of uh I believe the uh samurai castle in uh Osaka.

[00:32:56]>> Um and you can see the city. Uh this would have been at the top of the uh two twin tower building. Um >> yeah, that's that is a picture of where I do not want to be in Japan.

[00:33:10]Oh, you know, I think, you know, the majority of Japan, honestly, is very urban, right? There's 130 million people on the island. Uh, and or the on that small chain of islands. Um, this is a great example of a I think constrained uh tree size. Like, you know, >> that to me looks like a tree that's been trimmed to stay keep the drip line inside there. Um, >> yep.

[00:33:34]>> And I think it's been done well. That's obviously not a polard, but I do believe that they've topped those limbs, right?

[00:33:41]Or or, you know, performed heading cuts on on the majority of those limbs there.

[00:33:46]>> Yeah. It it's it's very interesting to see from >> my daughter was in that picture >> from the point of view of of someone who lives in suburban Indiana where there's a whole bunch of space for trees >> that anytime >> so this tree obviously was topped um and polarded but then at some point they gave up like they let they they like they stopped polarding the top right and let it grow out. the top grew out to like kind of a second phase and then they kind of stopped pulling the branches it looks like to get this spread. So like who knows? I mean this tree's got to be 100 years old, right?

[00:34:25]It's like 4 and 1/2 ft across base >> but probably only 35 ft tall.

[00:34:34]>> Really cool.

[00:34:38]>> Yeah, it's it's some of these are, you know, and I and I'm skipping past the stone work and and all that trying to focus on all this tree work. But uh it's a very interesting difference between what we think back one picture, two pictures now.

[00:35:02]So like now we've kind of jumped out before we were like out on museum grounds, right? And like this is an example of pure urban tree care, right?

[00:35:11]This is intentional and an entire street of this. Yeah. Uh or I mean pretty much everything is like this to be honest that you see on the streets. And this tree was topped right. It's probably I don't know 12 in across at chest level. Um and you can see that it's been topped at like 25 ft uh hard and then has kind of like a new merist stem growing up there. Uh, and you know, you can tell that these suckers get knocked off pretty regularly or or certainly shortened. Um, but you know what? There's greenery everywhere, right? And you can see how they've dropped it in like in between the bike, a person, there's like a sidewalk, then a bike lane, then more greenery, then cars, and they've got two rows of heavily constrained trees. And I think that that's a good thing. I'm happy that they polarded all these trees and that there's two rows of them as a result. Right.

[00:36:14]>> Yeah. effect. If that's how you can get that greenery and those trees into your your city, I mean, you know, do do what you need to to get more trees uh in. It it helps everything. Uh from air quality to the way that uh people feel when they're there to crime.

[00:36:36]uh the more the more art, the more trees, the more greenery that there is in a city, uh the less crime there is.

[00:36:44]>> Um so yeah, it >> so I'm all for this and I think more municipalities should take this, you know, can we constrain it? Can we intelligently and actively polard this as part of a long-term maintenance plan, right, before removing it, >> right? Uh I think you know um and I took I included some of these urban pictures just to show how dense everything is, right? And if you look most of these have little pockets of of trees or examples of like polarding on the tree line street lines, not all of them. Some of these I just showed the density of the sport courts. There's definitely if you Yeah. If you look on the other side of this green topped building here along the street, there's a whole bunch of greenery in that area. Uh >> y >> yeah, >> that was an example of where lashing was used for non-invasive props. And you know when you see that type if you go back two pictures uh you see this type of lashing done in the states here uh oftent times it's biting into the tree and um was you know has been abandoned right not maintained. Uh you see it it's was often done with like a piece of like slightly less live wood right like not the best greenwood. And my guess there is that if there's like a constriction event, they're hoping that it happens to that like dead prop piece, >> right? Like you see get what I'm saying there, Kale? Like you have like living tree growing out, it would pull that strap into the other piece, not into itself.

[00:38:30]>> Yeah.

[00:38:31]>> But it was really evident that these were very frequently and actively maintained uh installations. It was really cool.

[00:38:39]>> Yeah.

[00:38:41]Um, yeah, as someone who doesn't live near a an environment that is that urban, it's it's interesting to have to think about these sorts of things. Um, you know, I I I live in suburban Indiana and trees are trees and we let them essentially just be trees wherever they're planted. Um, and it works out well. Uh, but the idea of having to kind of artificially make sure that these trees are this healthy is is very interesting and and foreign to me.

[00:39:22]>> They are. It is, you know, it does in a way border on over management, right?

[00:39:26]And that's this this tree is a good example, right? Um, >> you know, my neighbors all ask me for tree work. I don't know why. Um, but they do. And I find myself often the most frequent thing that I say is that like a leaning tree is not a dangerous tree, right? I'm like, you know, yeah, that tree is leaning towards your house because there's your house and then your lawn and then a tree. Like it it's just going to lean towards the open space, not towards the other trees behind it, right?

[00:39:53]>> If I saw this tree without this prop, I would not think twice. I would just like I wouldn't even have taken a photo of it and been like, "Wow, look how precipitously that tree is leaning." I guess I mean >> maybe because there's a lack of root flare like that I would have been noticed and the lean >> but like I don't know I wouldn't have prop I wouldn't have thought that this tree needs propped. Maybe this type of tree that I have no idea what it is is really prone to falling over. Maybe there's like a common soil issue that I'm not aware of. But like I wouldn't have propped this. But look at how it's done. you show the next photo, you can see how this prop is actually made >> so nicely.

[00:40:36]>> Uh Nick, I'm going to have to cut you off there. Um we have Timothy Wick is calling in.

[00:40:42]>> Oh, let's talk to Tim.

[00:40:44]>> All right, >> Timmy WAC. I know Timmy, we know Tim.

[00:40:46]>> Timmy. Hi.

[00:40:48]>> What's up, man?

[00:40:49]>> What's going on, fellas?

[00:40:51]>> Hey, fella. How are you?

[00:40:53]>> I'm great. This is our first day off. We had opening weekend at the LA County Fair. uh Mother's Day just really had them out giggling, climbing in the trees. We had a great time.

[00:41:04]>> Oh, man. I should introduce Timmy. Timmy WAC is uh the lead of the California Tree Circus uh which um this is great that you called in, Timmy. Thanks so much. You work with Chad uh and the whole crew out there um doing the Tree Circus, which is a huge event in California. We had you guys actually uh you did your thing at Tritopia and most recently I saw you >> loved every second of it >> on the road to Arborfest.

[00:41:33]>> Yes. Our people that's well we mountain people. We uh uh uh I live up in uh Cashers and Grayson lives about 11 miles east uh out in Sapphi.

[00:41:44]>> So we it was just a hospital to jump to get down there to that fabulous event.

[00:41:49]>> Oh, that's good. I can't imagine the magnitude of everything that it takes to actually, you know, uh, from you say, "I'm going to do it until you you're dusting up and, you know, all everything's done." Great job, y'all.

[00:41:59]>> Well, honestly, the middle part's the easy part. It's the It's the saying you're going to do it. That's the hardest part. Uh, Timmy, did you call in to talk about Japanese tree care or did you call in to talk about something else, my man?

[00:42:12]Well, when you know I read when you were talking about Chad was up, we were we did uh uh we were in Yoseite at the Western Chapter ISA conference and somehow we were talking about something.

[00:42:22]We were driving downtown or something and and some trees had been severely uh uh uh uh whatever. And Chad's, "Oh, that's polarding." And I'm going, "Dude, I don't know. I mean, I'm all for polardian, but from what I understand, you got to polar tree when it's a baby and you keep on doing it." That's the way I just understood from old school, you know.

[00:42:40]>> Agreed. Uh and then my my comment was just you know it doesn't matter whether it's it's it's a vehicle or a human or a tree form equals function.

[00:42:53][clears throat] Uh I don't know why folks can't understand if you if you take more than a third off of a tree to you know that's got some years on it. It's just like taking a third of somebody's lungs out you know.

[00:43:06]>> True true story. And I'm glad I I'm I'm for one glad the trees aren't in the position of of removing me uh for their better. But you know we are people and they are trees right and um yes I'll keep coming back to the point to me until someone meets me there a polarda tree is better than no tree.

[00:43:30]>> Oh I'll agree. I'll agree a thousand percent because um um the the the the it is so difficult today for like newly planted trees just to be successful. You know, I'll take any tree I can get.

[00:43:43]>> Timmy, have you >> as long as it's healthy?

[00:43:46]>> Have you ever had, >> you know, depend >> Sorry, we've got a little bit of lag here. Have you ever had a time where uh someone has wanted you to do uh these aggressive cuts on a tree and you've either said no or you've you've gone ahead and you've done it uh you've done something pruning this aggressive and and you know what was the outcome of that?

[00:44:12]Well, well, just funny of this, the the uh topic of the Western Chapter Conference this year was full circle. Uh uh 10 years ago, we were we were there at Tanaya and I had the good fortune to to close the conference with uh uh um the topic of ethics, right? Mh.

[00:44:32]>> And you know, when you sign that credential, when you accept that credential from ISA, you know, there's a whole lot of stuff in there, and y'all can, you know, everybody can read it if they want to, but there's a whole lot of stuff in there, and it says you will do this period, you know. Uh, uh, but anyhow, in when I I research this, I talk to people. I talk to people all over because it's a big gigantic when you talk about a Bora culture, there's so many people from the business to the science to the actual production. It it's there are a lot of folks. But one of my one of my peeps out here uh uh in California, he told me a story. He said, "Yeah, I I severely topped the tree." I was like, "What?" Um and he's he's he's he's golden. Okay.

[00:45:13]>> Um and he said, "These people had been my clients for decades and ultimately the husband died and the wife was became bedridden and she couldn't even, you know, she this this helped her." And I was like, "Right on." Because everything's sight specific. Every tree is different. Every situation is different. I don't want to say right and wrong is different, but if you're going out to do that for money, if you're going out to sell that to somebody, oh goodness. Okay.

[00:45:41]>> Yeah. Yeah.

[00:45:42]>> Yeah. I think the biggest difference between topping a tree and polarding a tree, right, is that >> is that like one is part of a management, right? So if you if you do something like that retreat and there's no planned followup, right, if it's for a customer that isn't someone that you know is going to hire you again, right, to maintain it, that's topping, right?

[00:46:02]Managing a tree appropriately for the space over time is polarding, right?

[00:46:08]Maybe we were like bordering into Miam Webster uh territory here, but um that to me is like the foundational difference, >> right? Yes. And what the the the words you said follow up. Oh, how many people plant a tree and don't you know stake that tree, don't follow up. How many, you know, I don't mean to be critical, but I mean, you know, uh you only have one opportunity to plant a tree and uh so so far is he it's rare and far between that a tree actually gets uh in a pruning cycle that is appropriate when you're talking about cities and and there are a whole lot of trees in our cities and uh it's just that followup vital.

[00:46:46]Yeah, >> I love where this conversation is going.

[00:46:50]>> Yeah, I love where this is going because now we're getting into business territory and and Timmy, that's my where, you know, where I feel comfortable, right? And um if you're planting a tree for someone, that's such an opportunity for you as a business owner because to come back and check on that tree makes sense to the customer, right? Like, yes, >> if I say, "Hey, I pruned your tree, but I want to come back next year to sell you more work." You're like alarm bells going off, right? like keep this guy away from me. I don't want to buy anything else. But if I plant a tree and I say, "Hey, I'm going to stop by in six months just to check on it. I'll shoot send you a text message." You're thinking, "Wow, that's great." Right now I'm back on your property and I'm mentioning the cottonwood in the back.

[00:47:33]I'm talking about fertilization or structured pruning or prescriptive pruning for your new tree, right?

[00:47:40]Watering aids, whatever it is. Um, to me this is like the foundation for recurring business. Um, which like speaking of A+ is something they do really well uh with remarketing and things like that. Um, but yeah, I love uh what you mentioned following up to me.

[00:47:59]The best one is is when that client is there at the golf club or uh seeing their coworker or calling their brother and going, "Man, I had the best experience with this and blah blah blah." Uh le it's referrals. That's what it's all all about. Uh uh it's storytelling. You know, everything has has a story and it's wrapped up there. Uh you know, we talk about tree not a lot of comp Sorry about that, Timmy. Uh I I want I don't want to cut you off, but I do uh want to keep on our schedule today because we have a couple things to get through. Timmy, where is the fair this year?

[00:48:39]>> It's in Pomona every year. 100 something years uh of the US Forest Service brought us down here to Right. It's the LA County Fair. I mean, it depends. You know, LA is a big place and we have we we find it such an honor to be here.

[00:48:54]>> Come to Pomona and check us out. We're here all May, Thursday through uh Sundays.

[00:49:00]>> Thursday through Sunday. I can see Tree Circus Thursday through Sunday. What times?

[00:49:07]>> Uh oh, we do shows 2, 4, 6, and 8. And let me tell you, the 8:00 show is always the best cuz grandma might have a couple of beers in her. It's cooler.

[00:49:17]>> We do.

[00:49:18]>> We do climbs. We do climbs uh at the end of the show. 2:30, 3:30, and 4:30. No, 2:30, 4:30, and and 6:30. We don't do a late night climb. If you you go check out Tree Circus on Insta Giggles, and we just threw up a video of Grayson and one of his proteges that have been here at the fair, local Pomona, young uh doing a climb. I posted this video last night uh whatever time left coast time it was and this morning it's got 19,000 views on it.

[00:49:51]Uh it it's it's we we have a lot of fun out there. Check out Tree Circus Instagram. And I thank you for saying come fellas. I always appreciate what you do in the industry. I mean y'all revolutionary. I don't have to tell you that. Y'all stay on the schedule.

[00:50:06]>> Thank you so much for the call Timmy. Uh we're going to cut uh to a little bit of background on Tree Circus. We'll let you uh go off and then we're going to get back to our uh carry on with our agenda here. Um this event that Timmy does, Timmy and Grayson and Chad, uh is just incredible. It's so fun for children.

[00:50:27]It's so engaging. Uh these guys are masters of their craft when it comes to crowd engagement and response. Uh it's so so fun. If you live uh within driving distance of Los Angeles, uh please head on down to the Los Angeles County Fair uh which is like, you know, probably the biggest county fair in on the West Coast. Um and check out Tree Circus Thursday, Friday, Saturday this weekend.

[00:50:52]They've got shows running all afternoon.

[00:50:54]Uh this was a a great spontaneous call-in and I'm glad you're able to give you a plug, Timmy. Thanks so much. Yeah, right off.

[00:51:01]>> Thank you. I enjoyed it, fellas. I look forward to doing it again sometime.

[00:51:05]>> Of course. Talk soon, buddy.

[00:51:06]>> Bye.

[00:51:07]>> Bye.

[00:51:10]>> I knew I knew he was going to open the phone call and end it with a woo [laughter] cuz that guy is always wooing everybody.

[00:51:17]>> That's true.

[00:51:18]>> Um, all right. Let's talk about new gear. Uh, I've got a box here. I'm pretty jazzed. Let's see what it is.

[00:51:31]It is, as expected. Uh this is pretty cool. Check this out. I don't know if you know this, but we started shipping with this environmentally friendly uh package stuffing material.

[00:51:42]>> Uh and uh this is actually made in our facility. We don't buy this, right? This is made from the boxes uh that we get shipped and it is by far uh I think the most effective and uh best package stuffing stuff. It's really good for the environment and it's easy to deal with.

[00:52:00]So I'm jazzed for that. Uh, Jetep 2. Uh, this is the toothless cammed ascender.

[00:52:07]We don't have a video on this yet because I just got it in the mail, but we're gonna No way.

[00:52:11]>> Um, >> two.

[00:52:14]>> It does. It has the It's the toothless cam, dual ascender, dual toothless cam ascender in the jetep 2. It's like the do something. The deuce deuce. I wish we had like live video team that could have made it go like do. I mean, they wouldn't be even be able to go that fast.

[00:52:32]>> Uh >> Oh, come on.

[00:52:34]>> Do you have a an original jet up there you can compare to?

[00:52:41]>> That I do.

[00:52:49]>> You're supposed to just wandering off now.

[00:52:53]>> I don't.

[00:52:54]>> Okay. All right. But you know what I'll say is functionally the differences between the JetP 2 are pretty minor.

[00:53:00]Okay, it works really similarly. Mostly what you're going to see here are quality of life or Q improvements. Uh the Notch team added this gate. And the reason for that is is that worn on your right foot, uh you could catch a pant or a bootleg with this. And I know I took a a spill once and it was a little surprising. I wasn't super pleased. Um so this really helps that. Um, it's easy to get in. It does protrude a little bit past the nose here. So, you can just flick the rope against it and then just put pressure and the rope will just slide right in there. Um, which is pretty neat. And then the other big addition, uh, if you can see here are these little, uh, wings, right? These are, uh, the engineer called them angel wings. And what they do is they help keep the rope inside of the cam groove here without the need for a lower fair lead. Uh overall the device is more compact um and the strap quality uh was uh improved as well as the strap was made replaceable which I think is a pretty big deal. Um and makes it uh a lot better. Uh I like this idea. This was something I worked on the original one of these um and with the Harkin engineers uh to make this toothless cam.

[00:54:18]Uh foot ascenders for me uh represent I think like the biggest wear point on your rope. Um we have recently been talking about uh the new Pzel foot ascender which I don't have here. Um which is awesome. Uh, and it has uh a really nice mounting system, but it is a tooththed cam, right? Um, so it doesn't have uh these kind of ribbed uh cams here. Um, so differences for sure between the two.

[00:54:51]Um, but I love this. This is super gentle on your rope. Um, and then also because it has two cams, this has uh what I've measured. I don't have like I'm not like officially stating, right?

[00:55:05]But what I've measured to be the lowest spring tension um which results in it needing the least amount of rope weight underneath it uh with the jet steps um because it's pushing it against an equally weak spring and not against like kind of a hard wall. Um so these this works these work really well. I'm really excited uh to put a video together on this final uh anodized version of this one. Um it really came out really uh very nice. So, it is very nice.

[00:55:35]>> You see it here.

[00:55:37]>> Jetep 2 scannable enabled and it comes with a manual. This is the piece of paper that you throw out before emailing a complaint about the item. Uh, no, seriously.

[00:55:52][laughter] Uh, you should always read this um as it is really interesting. Oh, look at this.

[00:56:02]I'm a nerd for IFUs and uh something like this. I haven't seen this IFU.

[00:56:08]>> That means instructions for use.

[00:56:10]>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, this represents a uh a graphic branding change and not just IFUs.

[00:56:18]>> Oh, I thought that you just did like a confetti like celebration thing. It was sawdust >> on accident.

[00:56:24]>> Yeah. Uh, so there's a new there's like a new like fully detailed uh drawn dude in there uh who's kind of reminiscent of like a Kotwicka design. I like that a lot. Um, yeah. So, there's a nice IFU in here. Uh, it's got uh instructions on how to use it, how to install it, how to put your rope in. Um, I always recommend checking these out. Uh, it's interesting just to see trends in them and how they're made. uh what's similar between different manufacturers and um I think you can usually learn a lot from reading uh the instructions especially on a device that you use uh in critical use situations like climbing. Right.

[00:57:04]>> Yeah. And and it's it that's a real exciting product and uh also at a very nice price point too. It's only $110.

[00:57:15]>> I'm going to do a video on uh all the new foot ascenders. Um, I had been waiting for this and for the pets uh version to hit market. Um, and now I think we're we're ready to go.

[00:57:28]>> Yeah, we've had uh multiple people in the comment section uh the second that you brought that up asking if it had the uh the ratcheting system uh that the pencil click has. But that is currently >> You know what I may do? Maybe we'll make a video where we take the the Pzel click uh replacement strap and see if we can modify it to other foot senders.

[00:57:54]>> I mean, that's a >> because I think this with the click strap might be the best setup ever.

[00:57:59]>> I mean, you have to talk to talk to Kyle about that. I don't don't >> I don't know if I have to ask Kyle. I don't know if I have to ask Kyle about that. I think I can just I think the strap is available for sale and this here is America, man.

[00:58:11]>> Okay. Oh, I mean >> you see I got like I got all hot and bothered there. Like you telling me I had to call somebody and ask them if I could put two things together. Like I'm not asking anything.

[00:58:20]>> Like I don't know. I don't know. They're >> Do you ask people at Home Depot if you can put two items in the cart together?

[00:58:27]Do you say, "Excuse me, sir. Uh can I get this box of roofing nails and a hammer?"

[00:58:32]>> Well, I'm not the distributor. That's the difference there.

[00:58:35]>> All right. All right. Come [laughter] on.

[00:58:37]>> Monster Garage put us under. Yes.

[00:58:41]I love Monster Garage.

[00:58:43]>> Um, uh, geography, Nick. Uh, what is Wales?

[00:58:48]>> Fine. Wales is a country.

[00:58:50]>> Uhhuh. And Wales is a part of >> Great Britain.

[00:58:57]>> The United Kingdom. Actually, I think it is also a part of Great Britain. So, we've >> Here's what I want to know. If you live and work in Wales, when you pay taxes, does that money go to London?

[00:59:11]This is a simple question and I don't know. But if it does, then Wales is part of England. And if it doesn't, then Wales is its own country.

[00:59:20]So the United Kingdom is seated in London, but England is a country inside of the United Kingdom in as well as Wales, Ireland, Scotland.

[00:59:36]>> All right, I suck at geography and I apologize to the many millions of people that I probably offended it. My comments are a representation of my lack of education, okay? I barely made it out of high school. Uh so the this is all about that uh Nick and I will be heading to Wales uh sometime in July and uh going there because >> apparently it's a country >> because it's its own country.

[01:00:03]>> I thought it was a state in England. I did >> it. I guess you it would be closer to being a state in >> Wait a second. So wait, is it a state in England or is it a country? because you've shamed me now. And if if you're wrong here, dude, >> I would No, I it is a country.

[01:00:24]>> Expect me to shame you on nonwork hours.

[01:00:27]That's how bad I'm going to get you.

[01:00:28]>> It is It is a country. I would I would say it is on par with being a state in like an imperial system.

[01:00:37]>> So now you're purposely offending the Welsh people. I did it through my own ignorance and I already apologized. But you you're on like you are purposely walking the plank here. I just want you to know.

[01:00:48]>> Um, yeah. Anyway, we are going to be going to DMM and uh checking out >> uh yeah, how they do things there, which is so cool. Um, it's a little factory in the middle of uh nowhere.

[01:01:05]>> I have a feeling they're going to tell me whales.

[01:01:08]>> Um, >> the key to making the best stuff is hard work, diligence, and throwing away things that don't look right. And I'm gonna be so disappointed that it's not just magic.

[01:01:18]>> Yeah, it's it's it is not just magic.

[01:01:21]>> I'll bet you I'll bet you it's just hard work, diligence, and throwing away the stuff that looks wrong.

[01:01:26]>> I mean, I mean, that makes sense, right? Like, >> yeah, they should be hard work and attention to detail.

[01:01:34]>> They their their stuff is the nicest uh equipment um that you can find. It just feels great. Uh so, we're going to be going there. Um, the last thing is winning $100. Uh, Nick, how does one win $100?

[01:01:51]>> Before that, I want to say that there is new information about the Rock Exotica Hipster coming.

[01:01:56]>> Uh, and I'm super excited. I'll have a photo uh to talk about. Um, you've seen photos. They're on Instagram and stuff.

[01:02:03]It's not like I have some secret photo.

[01:02:05]Uh, but I will want to talk about that.

[01:02:07]It's coming from Rock Exodica. It's been coming for a really long time. So, I'm hopeful that this is the year. Uh, but there's that. Um, we are also looking at going to visit Rock Exotica later this year, Kale. I don't know if I told you that. Um, >> but yeah, I think their schedule opens up sometime around ski season. I'm not sure. Uh, but we will, uh, we will find out. Um, let's talk about how to win $100. Uh, it's on tree.comin.

[01:02:39]Uh, that's the forward slash, the one that goes from bottom left to upper right.

[01:02:44]This is not what we talked about.

[01:02:46]>> It is. I just made it a little bit harder. So, uh, if you go to this website, you will find an image. I have just a a little little piece of it. Uh, if you can find >> Oh, come on. That's the rope logic lanyard. I'm going to tell people what the item is if they're listening.

[01:03:04]>> So, if you find they get the bonus, that's not the challenge here. The challenge is to enter the correct number of available combinations >> on the product page for this item, which Nick didn't tell anyone what it is.

[01:03:22]>> And you have to count them in order to get it right. There's no multiplication involved.

[01:03:26]>> So, um yes, it's it's some some combinations not available. A bunch of combinations are available. Uh so, make sure that you get it right. put in your email, your name, uh instead of URL, I'm going to change this to be uh whatever the uh the sum of available combinations is. Uh and then you will be entered to win $100, uh to go to tree stuff. We have some >> we hired this guy Calvin and uh he has done such a good job uh Kale um doing product uh development stuff for us and organization and he built out this like lanyard product for us the all the ultra sling and whoopy slings and you know what he uh he's taking a new job. Can you believe that? He's gonna uh he's taking a job uh working for Mark uh as one of our like premier premier sales guys.

[01:04:28]>> Yeah. Working with uh some of the larger national accounts. So >> really disappointed.

[01:04:33]>> Yeah. Calvin, no.

[01:04:34]>> Calvin, >> we need people who can do organization.

[01:04:39]>> Yeah.

[01:04:39]>> Who can >> uh but um that's all to say that that product PDP page is due to Calvin's hard work and just a whole bunch of people.

[01:04:47]Quincy worked really hard on that. um a ton of people did to bring this really cool lanyard configurator uh out. So uh you can check out the lanyard configurator and see all the cool options uh and count them for a chance to win a $100 gift card that you could use to buy yourself a lanyard or uh something else. Um last week this was not a protoiser. I said it was a protosiser and I was lying.

[01:05:12]>> This was last week's I don't know how everyone found this so quickly. I thought I had chosen something spreader.

[01:05:19]>> Yeah, I thought I had found something that was like deep in the the the depths of the random stuff that people aren't always looking at. Yes, this was >> totally Don't ever underestimate boxers or our customers. And when I say boxers, I mean the garment and the the the >> or the dog. You don't I mean those dogs will jump up and punch you in the face.

[01:05:41]>> That is true.

[01:05:41]>> But >> not the face. All right. Um uh so yes, this was the compost 9 and 10 >> this this time. Gale 8 n and 10.

[01:05:51]>> Oh, okay. 8 9 and 10.

[01:05:52]>> Actually, no. We're [clears throat] going to go with one nine and 10 first deserves it.

[01:05:57]>> All right. Nicholas Butler, Zack Domini, somebody new, and Brian Syler, somebody new. I will send you all $100 uh in tree stuffed gift certificates. Um >> I love this part. That's the best, isn't it? And uh yeah, if you are listening, go ahead and go to trees.comin enter.

[01:06:21]>> Before you sign us off, I I'm going to put you on the spot to show us one more thing. Okay. So, don't don't kill the show here.

[01:06:27]>> Okay.

[01:06:29]>> But go ahead, finish your what you're doing.

[01:06:30]>> Yeah. Go to go to trusep.com and you'll you can be entered to win if you get it.

[01:06:37]>> Great. Um, as you know, uh, Kale and I have been working really hard over the last, god, decade, uh, to produce, uh, webinars and things like that. Um, our webinar program is the most used source of CEUs for arborists in the world. Uh, and that is so exciting. We're so happy uh, to help so many arborists get their certification every year. Um, and we're happy to field all of your emails. And when I say happy, I mean so happy. Um especially when those emails are like, "Hey, I read where it takes 12 to 16 weeks to get your things done, but I did them yesterday and I want them done today." Uh Kale uh is just such a smart guy. He built an interactive web tool with the Google document tool and it will allow you to collect your own CEUs by entering the email address that you submitted with the CEUs and your ISA number as submitted. And you can actually get and check your own CEUs on treesuffs.com webinar page which is the treesuff.com/webinars.

[01:07:47]And you just punch in both the matching email address and your ISA number exactly as formatted when you entered it and you can find that. If you have other questions, you can always still email Kale and I. Um, but hopefully this helps people uh check their own CEU submissions through our free CU service uh a little more quickly. Uh, and just another tool.

[01:08:11]>> So any C use that you do through us are still being put in every month. Uh, it does take a while for ISA to make to to get everything uploaded because it's so many CUS. Uh, so if there's something that you're not seeing, you think should be seen, or if you're wondering if there are any problems, this is a great way to do it. And it will tell you whether or not on the little report that it it sends you, it'll tell you whether or not it's been submitted through us. Uh, so if uh uh but more importantly, if it has been recorded by us, then we can say to them, yes, they did it at this point in time. There was some miscommunication on uploading it. uh and we'll we'll you know they'll >> and sometimes there are formatted >> you had that in time so uh it's a great resource if you have any questions check that uh first and uh you know let us know >> last but not least the YouTube uh updates Kale >> yes YouTube uh we are always posting on YouTube um we have bunches and bunches that's [laughter] bunches and bunches of uh of uh of >> click on videos for me, Kale, >> videos that are being uploaded um each week.

[01:09:32]>> This is where I always go on the channel. Um this shows you everything that was posted uh in a chronological order. Um there's a ton of customer video reviews on here. I know people always love to hear what I have to say about uh products, but I uh much prefer to hear what the customers have to say.

[01:09:48]Um there's a ton of video that we've built with our partners on location at their facilities uh which is something that we do uh really specifically I think that is a standout for us. Um there's uh stuff that we've done about building plant healthcare into your business. Um just a ton of stuff and we're publishing you know every few days uh a new video is coming out. So if you're not subscribed on YouTube check it out. Uh this broadcast is on YouTube uh so it's another way to get notified.

[01:10:17]What is that tree stuff? Oh my god. Uh the thumbnail uh that you just scrolled past in the top right of me this >> Oh, that that's your exercise video.

[01:10:27]Tree stuff.

[01:10:27]>> Yeah, that was a good one. Uh if you haven't seen uh my exercise video, you can check it out by checking out the YouTube channel. Kale, thank you again for a great week, a great show, and thank you for being deployed uh protecting our country uh and our our liberty. Um I mean that very seriously.

[01:10:46]uh your years of service uh in the military are greatly appreciated. I'm glad you're safely deployed right now um and and able to keep doing this. So, uh good stuff there. And uh we'll see everybody this weekend at the North American Tree Climbing Championship at the Davy Seed Campus in Kent, Ohio.

[01:11:05]>> Uh everyone, Friday, Saturday, Sunday.

[01:11:08]Uh you can come see us, get a photo, uh maybe do a video with us, or just say hi. We'd love to hear from you.

[01:11:14]>> Yeah. Great. Have a good one, everybody.

[01:11:18]We'll be back next week.

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