The Eddie and Jimmy podcast discusses the AFL's Round 14 fixture, addressing concerns about the five mid-season bye rounds, the future of State of Origin football, and the need for better umpire positioning and player protection, while also highlighting standout players like Jordan Dawson and discussing the importance of proper coaching transitions between teams.
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Welcome to the Eddie and Jimmy podcast.
I'm Eddie McGuire. That is Jimmy Bartell. How are you Jim?
>> Good to see you again, Ed.
>> Good to see you, mate. Missed you the last couple of weeks.
>> Yeah, I know. Uh we we spend so much time together and then when we have a week off, it feels like we haven't seen each other for a long time.
>> Exactly.
>> Well, it's actually was it two weeks cuz you did hurty the week before. I did.
>> So, we're back to the original cast today. Yeah, looking fit and well >> trying to be in middle of winter. Um, some people treat as a grind, but it's a chance to really accelerate.
>> This is this is the time when when I was a young reporter, I'd get off the grog.
I'd get myself fit and as everyone started to hit the wall. This is where the big stories happen. This where the coaches go, where the uh, you know, the backroom revolts start to happen, you know, the bit of take over, the knockoff the president, all that type of thing.
That was the the really interesting time of the year.
>> Damian Har calls it big boy month.
>> Well, very much so. We're going to have our big boy month now.
>> Well, we're going to get to him about his big boy comments as well. Uh, he might get a big boy fine.
>> Maybe.
>> He may well indeed. Or should we just listen to him rather than shoot the messenger.
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They've been working on these for over 20 odd years. So, just sensational. and Fiji Airways. Now, I might contradict myself here, Jim. Yes, >> good time to go away at the moment, too, isn't it? During the buy, visit fiji airways.com to book your flight to Fiji and beyond. Fiji Airways, where happiness takes flight. And I always say it's a great airline. You can fly into America, come back and uh have a couple of days in Fiji, get yourself right, no jet lag, back into Melbourne, Sydney, or Brisbane direct and away you go.
>> That's the way to travel. It sounds perfect. Working holidays, that's that's the way you say it. You can you can work wink wink, you know, while you're there.
Pull >> but you can actually work.
>> It's not a bad thing to do. You know, if you actually go to America, fly straight in >> from Fiji, you can go to Vancouver where the Aussies had the great win on the weekend, >> LA, and also into San Francisco, but also you go to Honolulu if you want to have a real holiday. But if you're doing business and things over there and then the rest of the world opens up for you coming back have those couple of days in Fiji just to get rid of the jet lag brand new when you come back to what it did >> or Sydney or Brisbane for that matter.
Right, let's have a look at round 14.
Jim, this was the third of five midseason buy rounds. Do you feel starved of footy or is this a nice way of elegantly doing things so that we can actually stretch the season out and make sure that all the TV responsibilities are taken care of?
>> Uh, a couple of questions there. No, I don't feel starved at football. Um, but I don't think it's elegant either. It'll be a total of nine rounds this season with buyers attached to it. And um I I think >> I think it was great that the AFL when they've had the CEOs and the presence CEOs are coming up, but then of course the presence before the Hall of Fame.
Come with all your big ideas. Sounds like they've been listening to the Eddie and Jimmy podcast. Big ideas. I I like that approach and um I floated an idea on 3 a couple of weeks ago regarding how, you know, and it's an idea and I want it picked apart. Like I'm not saying it's perfect at all, but how I'd >> um address the season. And the first bit would be to address the mid-season uh buy period. And I know you've been big and very successful of course in your time at Collingwood with that standalone game Collingwood and Sydney and then all the other teams obviously played the previous round. My my thinking is that if it's one game, okay, but if you were to do it a complete leaguewide buy, that I think that you can make it a festival football and you look at how great um you know, gather rounds been where um obviously and the way we can celebrate football and football is bigger than just AFL men's football. Now, the reason I say that is now we've got AFLW is thriving. We've got VFL football, Santa W uh Western Australian football, football around the country. We've got VAF who played, you know, the Sappa, hopefully got that right, the South Australian amateur football league.
We're right in the middle of talent league, Vic Metro, Vic Country, WA, all the under 18, National Carnivals, under 16. And people are getting more and more invested in players coming through before they land at their AFL club.
>> Okay. So, what's your idea?
>> So, my idea is that we make that week a festival of football. And you and I have been big like we've still got to support grassroots football and you know some traditional heartlands as well as growing areas. So the encouragement would be community round which actually means there's no no round of football.
So get back buy your hot dog, buy your pie, your soft drink, your beer, whatever it may be to your local football club. Can we put Australia versus Ireland in the AFLW on at Marvel Stadium? Can we have a Vic country versus MC Vic Metro at Marvel Stadium? Let's see the best. I'm just pick those two be South Australia. Let's see the best of the best there. Like let's have an actual festival of football cuz >> I I know you know the top filters down.
We know that drives money >> but would would we be that worse off if we didn't have an AFL game for one weekend.
>> Yeah. Um it affects the TV. I know I'm giving you the answers. All right. I'm I like I like what I like what you're saying.
>> Sip my coffee and listen.
>> I like what you're saying. Um, so I've had a similar idea to that that I have pushed up for a while, Jim. So I'm coming back to your idea.
>> Um, that that's where it should have been when we put the buy. If we put the pie back before say preliminary final or grand final week, you play all your community grand finals.
>> Get all that away.
>> Get the uh the VFL grand final away. Get all your local finals play. You can play the VFL grand final on the Saturday.
have all the local grand finals on the Sunday and turn it into something huge there. That that's a that's a way to go.
So yeah, I I agree with you. Um the reason why the Collingwood Sydney game just went so successful that the rest of the AFL had to drag it down, >> right? That's what always happens. Um so they had the year before where there was no AFL on and it was pretty much a disaster. Okay? Because what happens is the media go nuts. The media go nuts about the buy before the finals, Jim.
So, you know, it's all very well saying that, but all the shows that are predicated off the football, they love having continuity and that's why it was brought in to have these staggered buyers. Now, I agree with you. The buyers at the start of the year are just totally ridiculous and they're gone. All right? So, they're done.
>> Got them off the table finally. Um, so I don't mind the the the buys in June necessarily to get to what they're trying to achieve. I really like your idea though. Now, what we need to do is find the right home for it >> and work out where that is. Um, again, I would think if we if the AFL is quote the keeper of the code and you know that I've been um adamant that I've hated the way that the AFL just blew up the VFA.
>> Yes, you've been strong enough >> and that they were about to throw the VFL off TV earlier this year and over the 10-year period. and I declare an interest because my organization kept it on air. The Sandful and the Waffle were also nearly put to the sword as well.
Now, had you had that, you wouldn't have had a Tasmanian team coming through that is building to the crescendo of being the AFL. You've got to be careful that it's not just about the pointy end. So, I love the idea of having >> that situation. Now, don't forget if you have it, Jim, some competitions can play their grand finals on a Friday night.
You could play it at Marvel. You could play it at any of the grounds that have got the right facilities. Um there's all sorts of things you could do to turn this into a festival of football and then that builds the atmosphere for a preliminary final weekend or a grand final weekend. I think that's not a bad idea now to separate those last two weeks of football. Now, it's going to be interesting because there is discussions obviously about what happens next year with the draw because the CES centennial test is on in March. So, that shifts the season back into almost traditional football time.
At the other end, you've also still got the NFL that I'm sure is going to be announced for a second year and whether or not it provides a roadblock. You've heard me say it before. I would love to see the AFL push it back into mid October, have the grand final the second week and get daylight saving, get the Twilight grand final or even a bit later if we wanted to get clear air against Rugby League, have the two preliminary finals up against the Rugby League Grand Final and build that whole situation up.
And then as part of that, what I would do if I was the AFL is I'd demand that the government move the holiday from the Friday to the Monday.
>> Monday. Yeah. Yeah. I I think the Monday is better.
>> Yeah. Now they'll argue, but what about the grand final parade? I think we can still get the grand final parade away.
>> Yeah. Yeah. And going back to your point, I've always thought >> even better. I can tell we didn't have the grand final parade. Let me really blow people's minds up. You play the grand final on Sunday night and you have the grand final parade on the Saturday when everyone's got a day off.
>> That's not a bad idea.
>> Including teachers, including everybody.
Yeah. Everyone come in. Just imagine that. Saturday, big big parade, big celebrations, Sunday night, prime time grand final or Sunday twilight. Wouldn't that be something? And then day off the next day.
>> And from a real footy sense, um I've always preferred we know I I'll start with that. From a footy sense, having a buy before the grand final mitigates the disaster where we could have a concussion of course ruling a player out at least and they can still serve their 12 days and be available because you want the best players playing in the grand final as well. But just back to your point of, you know, TV shows will know what to talk about. We can we can be better than that.
>> But going into a grand final can because what you do >> Oh, no. I'm talking back to back to the midseason.
>> Back to the mid-season. Yeah, but but of course they can. They they survive now.
I mean, they winged and bitched and moaned, but they still got through the by week before the finals.
>> Yeah.
>> But that's where the but that's where all the negativity comes from.
>> It's like the negativity for the Twilight night grand final. A lot of that is because the papers want to be able to put their Sunday supplement out and get it to the presses early. And don't think that that's made up. That is absolutely legitimate.
>> Oh, I I know you you've promulgated this.
>> I have promulgated it. Yes, I'm hitting the table prom. Anyway, um so yeah, that's an issue there.
>> But but can we both agree that rolling five weeks of buy >> too much?
>> Too much.
>> Yeah, totally.
>> And we got nine rounds for the year.
Like there's >> it's too much. Yeah.
>> So we get rid of the ones at the start of the year and we look at tightening up maybe in in the June period.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. Because you can spread it over that period because you've got Queen's birthday so it stretches it out.
>> Get it worked out over maybe over three rounds, but just roll it through a bit better. Yep. Get all that. Um, can I ask you about your thoughts? There's some talk about uh the State of Origin, you know, a couple of injuries that happened there. Um, again, where would you play it? Now, I'm going to stick with preseason, but with the added incentive of this, the quarters were too long >> and the bench was too small.
>> How many they end up playing on the bench? I don't know if >> No, I think they played standard, didn't they? Or close enough to it.
>> I reckon it was a bit extended. Oh, extend it. Extend it more.
>> Yeah. Okay.
>> Yeah. And get everyone to play and then have a week off before the season starts and get going. We need more content >> and that type of content works. I mean, you know, we're going to see Wednesday night it's going to be 100,000 for the foreign code if you like. Rugby league at the MCG. Can't wait to go and see it.
Last game was absolutely spectacular. We need to do something with it. We can't just say no to everything all the time.
Can't listen to every coach. Every week a coach winges about something, okay?
You don't let coaches run your club. You don't let coaches run the competition.
Okay? Because they got one job, win, right? That's why I have a commission.
>> So, if it's not the period that it's currently in, what are our other options? So, we're just thinking out loud here and on the run. So, the other option is during that preg grand final buy that >> No, you can't. Too late. No one wants to play. They're all getting >> No, no. I'm I'm just throwing >> I' I'd rather I think the only spot you can have it is where it is.
>> Yeah. Yeah. And >> but just do it properly. Yeah, do it properly is always a good good point.
>> And they sort of halfassed their way into it this year.
>> Do it properly. Set it up. Let everybody know what's happening. Play a full carnival. Give Western Australia that opportunity. Could be fantastic. Play it over, you know, two weekends. And don't forget at that state, that time of the year, it doesn't have to be Saturday to Saturday. It can be Tuesday to Tuesday if you want to.
>> Yeah.
>> And you can do whatever you like. You're the AFL. You own it.
>> It's still good if they just named sides as well. So what I'm saying is just say it's it's Victoria versus >> Western Australia.
>> I'd like them to still name a South Australian side and then >> yeah like the all Australian team extent of that ridiculous nation where we have 50 and then it's divided or it's cut down and all that sort of stuff. Have the state teams you the best player in your state >> and honor them >> and honor them.
>> Yeah, totally.
>> That'd be fantastic. Still my idea that I've said on here a few times and I think it' make amazing content and you love content. I love content >> and this is one for for your Jam TV crew out the back and I think the AFL could do something incredible and >> it's a good idea. Don't say it loud.
Okay, >> I clearly ripped this idea off um watching the NFL Hall of Fame. Of course, they get a jacket when they go into the Hall of Fame and there was some really special things done. So, I'll use uh you and I for example, you're currently in the Hall of Fame. I'm about to go in, but what they do is they interview you. They put all the package together and part of the package going together is you find me whether at work or on the golf course or whatever and you're the one who goes Jimmy welcome to the Hall of Fame. Yeah.
>> And you get some unbelievable content and then you get to actually see on different websites or how good you know the players were. But I think what we can do really cool is around the all Australian.
>> Yes. And you know, you know, Wayne Kerry, Rashido, all these guys who have had like eight all Australians and seven all Australians and and whatever. You don't have to give them seven or eight jackets, but just give them an all Australian jacket. That jacket is really special. So, when I was an all Australian, I got it's made out of the base of what this football was on.
>> Yep. Hold it up.
Yep.
>> It was a plastic plark.
>> Now, now I'm not saying that diminishes the feeling of being an all Australian.
>> You haven't got a jacket?
>> No. No jacket. Oh, well, you have to have a jacket, >> but and I reckon a lot of past players and what you could do is actually you could almost like a pass it on sort of thing and you could create an amazing amount of content for the AFL website.
>> You have to go far. You go back to the old school blazer.
>> That's what I mean. Get on a blazer and if you're an all Australian and you've got, you know, >> 2010, 11, 12, 13, you know, like Dangerfield or a Penelbury or somebody like that. I mean, it's fantastic.
>> Yeah. Yeah, you don't have to give them like five and six of them, but just give them one. But then it'd be so cool to then pass it on and then you could have find some great connection pieces.
>> But you got to keep your own. I wouldn't >> No, no, no. I don't mean pass it on. I mean like as in So now I've been presented it.
>> Yeah. Now then you present the next like the masters.
>> Yeah. Correct. And I reckon totally fantastic amount of >> all those things and and see I I one of my pet hates at the moment and this is probably a bit rich coming from me is having the same people all the time doing the same things, you know. So when Kane KS decided to not uh continue as a as a uh >> all Australian >> all Australian selector because he had his business with the the gaming companies which I've got no problem about that's what he's there he's a professional broadcaster that's his job make you money but there are so many great people in the game who aren't involved these days who have decided to go on to other things in life and you know just because they're not 35 doesn't mean they're washed up either. Go get the key people, get a nice balance of people, you know, get a a Mick Moltouse still involved in it and somebody from each generation who can actually pick it who would love to fly around the country and watch games and that's their job.
>> That's their job. Yeah. The all Australian selector. Yeah.
>> And it's an honor and you can rotate it.
Doesn't have to be the same every year and do those great things. And I love what you're saying. the more content we have, you know, there's there's players like say Gary Abot senior and Wayne Kerry who may not ever become legends of the game because of issues they had off the ground, but it doesn't mean they have to be completely banished from the game forever.
>> You know, the game has to bring people back.
>> And I think, you know, some of those legends who would have, you know, six, seven, eight all Australian jumpers and or blazers, like they could be the feature piece of say this year's all Australian. So, and then they come up on stage and and get their all Australian Blazer. Others, you know, who have got one, two, or three, they can be part of the content. I'd be just so cool for all those past players to get a Blazer.
>> Okay, let's move on.
>> I got sidetracked. Sorry.
>> No, it's you didn't get sidetracked.
That's the whole idea of what we're talking about here. All right, we've got here our next topic says the round was kickstarted by Jordan Dawson, who in the first quarter on Thursday night had the third highest rated quarter of any player on record.
>> And is he single-handedly dragging the Crows back into town?
>> I think ratings go back to like those sort of ratings 2005 maybe because like obviously there'd be some but incredible quarter and I I was there live at the game. He was he was everywhere. He was exceptional. He was marking the footy clearance, setting up teammates. He's got an absolute weapon of a left foot. And I think we spoke about this. Jordan Dawson already had um the respect of the football public before, but he's just being elevated for what he's going through, which would be incredibly difficult time for his family. So, >> and he's been a bit slightly out of sight, out of mind, hasn't he? From Sydney into Adelaide as far as the Victorian focus. But when you watch him play and the way he kicks the ball and the way he goes for his marks and reads the play, he is just >> he's a star.
>> He's the best player in the competition at the moment, isn't he?
>> Yeah. And the numbers, using the rating things, the numbers say that he's >> I think he is. I mean, but you know, Heene is playing magnificent football.
>> Uh, you know, Tacos has been playing great. I mean, there's so many good players right at the moment, which we need to celebrate a bit more. Could we can I implore my colleagues in the media? I don't want to hear about some bloke who can't get a kick being offered a million dollar contract every five minutes. Let's start writing some stories about the BS who are absolutely setting the game on fire. Who are ripping stories? No bigger story than Jordan Dawson this year.
>> Did you just Palmer Thompson? All of you.
>> All of you.
>> All of you.
>> All of you.
>> No, no, no. I understand why. But you know, if I hear one more story about Jed Walters, >> can I hear a story about him getting a kick?
>> Yeah.
>> I want to hear stories about the guys getting kicks.
>> You'll be a good player, Jed Walter.
>> Yeah, I know. He will be >> speaking of >> I'd be a good player too if they're offering me a million bucks a year to get average of four kicks in a game or he'll be right.
>> Jeez, I could come back. I come back now.
>> He'll be all right.
>> If you stand in the one spot, the ball will hit your head four times.
>> Stop it.
>> Don't even have to move.
>> Stop it.
>> If you stand on the If you stand on the logo right at the 50, if you just stand there, the ball will hit you on the head 15 times a game without even moving.
>> Stop.
>> What do you mean?
>> You'd get three. you you you would get lethal poisoning these days.
>> Well, I'm I'm more so about the guys who don't register a tackle in a game >> with everyone moving around. Actually, someone would run into you, >> especially an umpire.
>> Yeah. Hey, they they get they're getting a little bit cranky with the umpire contact.
>> Yeah. Well, I'll come back to that in our deep heat segment.
>> Okay.
>> Right. Where we get to rub it in.
>> All right. I like it.
>> It is our segment when we say, "Told you I was right." M >> okay. And uh I think I could uh >> we'll get to that in a a few moments time, but I want cuz I want to talk to that and also bring in uh Damian Hardwick's comments about the umpiring and uh >> yeah, >> a bit of the free hit that everyone's having. Right.
>> So, while we're pumping up players, Liam Flying Ryan, his last two weeks have been so fun to watch. He's actually been very good all year for the Saints, but his last two weeks have been exceptional. Is that better?
>> I love watching you play. Yeah, that >> I'm I haven't quite got over 2018 yet, >> but he would have been he's always a nightmare to play on, but um yesterday against the Giants, >> if you're playing against him, you go, "All right, I'll play back shoulder so he doesn't get out the back." So, he leads up on me. All right, I'll play him a bit closer. Okay, he takes an overhead mark. Okay. Um let's follow him in. He goes for the hanger and as the ball hits the ground, he's already bounced back and snapped it from 40. you'd be going, I think I'm running out of things to do here. Um, he's getting me every single which way. He's just in red.
>> You know what I love about that? He's a playmaker >> and I think the the game has to get back to protecting playmakers. The rules have always have somehow got to Lee Matthews was saying this the other day, so I'm following in behind Lee. So, I'm in I'm on on in safe ground. You're very safe ground there.
>> Yeah. Although they don't listen to him.
Another Ber should be straight on the AFL commission regardless of age or anything else. just put him there or at least consult with him certainly on football matters. But um you know Liam Ryan and and the whole idea of a playmaker doing exactly what you said, not about how do we stop him, that's the defender's job, but the game shouldn't stop him. Let him play. Let him be able to play. So we mentioned on footy classified last week the two times the week before he was pushed in the back >> and got one free kick and didn't get another. whereas uh Pearl Tix got got a weak deservedly so I believe but he got a weak and Wix at Sydney didn't. So let's get the emphasis back on looking after the player making the play including the B going in for the ball.
>> Yep.
>> So then what do you think? I know it's a a pivot but it's >> Paul cops a three-we suspension for a dangerous tackle on West Coast Hamish Davis. He was uh injured pretty badly there. Hamish Davis. Fair whack. I I probably think North Melbourne might fire up the pie warmer and get the tribunal out.
>> Oh, I think they have to. I I don't think there's again I'm very much, you know, the ball player, but in that situation, I thought the tackle was just about right.
>> Was it I I'll use tribunal terms. Was it unreasonable in the circumstance?
>> No, there was nothing else he could do.
>> Did he show a duty of care? They just the >> I know he tackled, but at full pelt, he didn't know whether he had the ball. Um, you know, they're saying you have to try and twist. Well, it's a bit hard. You You're not an acrobat in mid midair.
You're trying to grab hold of somebody who's pretty tough and going and also left the ground as well, which meant if you leave the ground, if your feet leave the ground, there's only one gravity will only tell you you're going one way eventually downwards. Um, could he have twisted him? Don't know. Would it have made any difference? Probably not. We saw that with the the week before with Machek. If you're heading that way with the momentum, you're going to hit the ground. Um I I I can only say that the only thing that could have stopped that happening is if you ban tackling or if you ban pinning both arms, but that's not a tackle.
>> Well, yeah. They actually asked the players to release an arm. So what what actually the um the person who prosecutes the case for the tribunal, they often ask for things that are literally impossible in split second.
>> You know, hey, run flat out, ball going everywhere. Can you do this while you're at it?
>> Come on. So the the other thing we've mentioned this before that no one takes into consideration is the grounds are so good these days in the old days he would have got up with a >> mud in his >> mouth full of mud.
>> Yeah.
>> Or at least soft the ground. So maybe I don't know. Do we need to water the grounds more?
>> Yeah.
>> Do we need to soften the grounds up?
>> And I have to do we >> No. Well, I have to put this in Ed because you know how people get We're not blaming Hamish Davis or anything like that.
>> Going on past that.
>> No.
>> Yeah. We're gone.
>> You got to say it's like a disclaimer.
We're just discussing H Davis's problem.
>> No, but people do. As soon as you make a case for the person who gets suspended, they go, "Oh, you're victim blaming."
>> Well, we're not buying it, so don't worry. I mean, Hamish Davis did everything right and he had an unfortunate >> head clash with the ground >> and there's nothing he could do about it. He did everything right. When I said his feet were off the ground, that wasn't because he was trying to. He was trying to get through a pack. Hey, >> do you know what?
>> Did everything 100% right. And that's why Curtis's tackle was as close to perfect as it can be.
Davis's cuz, you know, you've got to make sure you get around the body these days cuz if you go high, it's a free kick.
>> I reckon this time last year, the AFL set into one of these things. Hey, we need to review the matrix for Michael Christian because we can't keep having situations where it's either three weeks or no weeks.
>> Yeah. and they haven't they're still in this situation which was um the Billy Frampton my check and now Paul Curtis where they're sitting there going >> well we don't feel comfortable with him not getting suspension so we got to give him 3 weeks >> but we know the reason why the AFL have got to get to the position where they solve the legal imbrogia they have with concussion >> also at that that first little table of football and non- football >> yeah but also but the the AFL are putting everybody up for 3 weeks like they did last week with Frampton. Then the tribunal comes in and that's an independent tribunal away from the AFL and not one that can be held accountable in a court of law down the track on a group action class action for concussion. All right. So I understand what the tactics are. So I don't know do these things just go straight the tribunal and we bypass the Michael Christian point of view.
>> I don't know. All right. Melbourne story of the year. Yep. Uh into the top four.
Of course, we're going to wait for all these silly buy rounds to see where it actually lands. But um I like the fact that some people from Melbourne have acknowledged the good work that Simon Goodwin has done in the past. The reason why you can play some attacking brand of football is they've got still um some uh undertones of the defensive structures they had in place. And and that's what you can do is Luke Beverage has been a magnificent coach for the Western Bulldogs. Brendan McCartney did do some good stuff in his short amount of time teaching contest. You know, the previous coach can build off the next coach can build off the and that can be many other examples like >> well probably the best example is Paul Ruse when he went to Melbourne.
>> Yeah.
>> Who went there and said I don't care what the score is. I'm here for two years. I'm going to teach these bugs how to play football. It starts with defense.
>> And he built that team and you know the the lessons learned >> were handed on to Simon Goodwin. That's the whole idea of coaching. The the idea of I think we also again get caught up in the, you know, it's a it's a coach's team. No, no, your job here is to hand over the team as best you possibly can.
Don't run it into the ground. Keep it going as best you possibly can. And I think that that's great. And I think I think King has been >> he's been so good. He freed them up.
They're playing with some dash and dare.
And he encourages them to make mistakes.
I tell you what I've liked about his coaching this year is when they have had a bad week, >> they've bounced back, >> which means he has his coaching, he's got their minds right and all the rest of it.
>> Melbourne at the G is a fun place.
>> How do Christian Petra is feeling today with uh is all well in the Gold Coast?
>> He'd be feeling okay. Christian's form's pretty good.
>> Yeah, his form's okay, but he's left he left Belvaders.
>> Yeah, but once you make your decision >> Yeah. Okay. No, I'm just saying it's >> I wasn't >> I'm not drawing it saying that.
>> Please let me underline that. I'm not saying because Christian went Melbourne's better and Gold Coast >> Oliver is playing great footy for the Giants.
>> They are.
>> Yeah.
>> Well, while we're talking about the Gold Coast, >> it's a different place.
>> Hardwick and the Roman coliseum. He did think it was the Russian coliseum for a bit, but he got >> change it. He got there.
>> Um, >> he was particular critical of umparing on Friday night, suggesting umpires were being sucked in.
>> Did you do this game?
>> I did do this game.
>> Right. You were there. You had a good look at it.
>> Jalong won the free kick count 2420.
>> Yeah, don't worry about the count where >> Rory Sloan said it sets a really poor example for a lot of junior clubs who are struggling to get umpires just to field a game. That's regarding >> Yep. I get all that from Rory as well, but this is the big the big league.
Okay.
>> Um so you need to be able to be held accountable.
>> Okay. Now, having said that, if it's not fair and it's looking for an excuse when you've just been flogged by 40 points, then the AFL should pull him in today and roll up the newspaper and whack him over the nose with it.
>> Yeah, it was class. It was a bit of coach of, you know, look over there.
Well, you don't look at my team's poor defensive effort again and poor effort away from the contest. Yeah.
>> Which they've been battling with. Mind you, they're seven and six.
>> What did you think of the umpiring?
>> So, were mistakes made.
>> Well, see, this is going to be the problem. Whatever comment I say, they're going to go, "Are you just a a former Jalong player?"
>> No, but you No, you're not. I I don't ask you that as a Jong.
>> No, but that's >> You're an expert. You watched it. Jalong won by 40 odd points.
>> They got a couple wrong.
>> They got a couple >> and and it did go the rub of the green to the cats. The one on Jeremy Cameron where Oscar Adams went back with the fly.
>> Yeah.
>> The umpire's called front on contact.
And I get front on contact probably doesn't get paid as often as it should.
So the question comes back >> the home ground advantage >> but there's home ground advantages everywhere.
>> I know that >> I'm not don't get all defensive.
>> She's trying to say he's not Jalong men he's fighting like he's no my point is >> it was like trying to play the Eagles in >> Sublingwood mate. There was never a free kick in front of the social club for 120 years.
>> Yeah. I'm not getting defensive. I was just outlining like realities. It >> Yeah.
>> Who who coined voice of affirmation?
>> Yeah. Which coach was that? That was a coach of a game out west, I think.
>> Yeah. Yeah. But it's been going on.
That's that's why you have that's why in soccer they used to give you >> two goals in the European Cup away cuz they're so hard to to come by.
>> That's part of the game.
>> But I'll I'll come back to the umpiring and where I think it needs to happen when we get to deep.
>> Okay. So, just >> Gez, you're teasing this beautifully.
>> I am. Yeah. World Cup shedling, >> right? I love Toby Green's comments.
>> I wouldn't be watching us play when I taking on the Saints.
>> Maybe not so helpful to uh >> But you know what? I I always laugh at this that as if um Toby Green saying anything one way or the other is going to make me change my mind about what I'm watching >> sitting on the couch on a Sunday afternoon when you've got the NBA final which is an historic win by the Knicks.
You got the soccer playing at 2:30 and you got the footy on. There is a thing also called a record button these days.
I don't know.
>> Have we remember when you used to have to do it with a cassette and you'd have to hold >> Oh yeah.
>> Yeah. You do the two to record.
>> Yeah. All that.
>> Make your mix.
>> There's catchup, there's there's shows, there's minis, there's all sorts of different things. Or you can do what a lot of people do and that is have two screens going at once.
>> You can do all that sort of thing these days. We just watch one.
>> Can I just say this?
The AFL have been absolutely fantastic in bending over backwards over the years to pate sports. The AFL moved its entire season in 2000 for the Sydney Olympics.
Moved it forward by a month. Okay. They have been wonderful partners with the NFL in relation to what's coming up in September with the NFL coming to the MCG.
They're going to have a sit and watch on how that works because the next week, next year rather, 2027, they are moving again for the cesi centennial test at the mcg and possibly possibly a movement in the o in September and October around the final series. But I think the AFL are well within their rights to say oi, you know, soccer's the world game. Rugby is the game they play in heaven, but AFL is the game we play here.
>> Yeah.
>> And uh 17,000 for that game wasn't bad.
Now, let me go another step.
>> Had I been sitting in there doing the fixturing >> and the draw, I would have played this and killed a game Sunday night.
>> Yep. Yeah. I I think it just speaks to like it's been a disaster the fixture this year. You need to have the game on Sunday a game Sunday afternoon going into the news. Yeah.
>> Okay. That's that's so important. That's why channel 7 pay all the money sells on free to air.
>> Mhm.
>> So >> the 3:00 game, >> one of them needs to be a 3:00 game and the other one >> Yeah.
>> I mean it's it's it's pretty simple.
What >> and especially during the buy round, you don't have as many games to fit in.
>> Exactly. And but my point is what I said a bit earlier about you moving maybe even moving the grand final.
>> Get free air. Get fresh air. get your own spot.
>> Yeah. I I just think >> the g the game's only played where it's played still, Jim, because of what happened in the 1890s, you know. Yeah.
We don't played at the Grand Final Island because they didn't have lights.
We play every other game.
>> We we play used to be April through to September because cricket had it from October through to March.
>> Yeah. So I I think they what they should do this year is grab that fixture and frame it and that that's the template of how the worst possible fixture we've ever done in the history of the game because I'll highlight the key issues areas. So we've had as we touch on we've had nine nine buy rounds. We've had Friday night double headers that no one's requested and they'll they'll do gymnastics to give you ratings sort of things on that.
We've also had two South Australian teams as an example on the same buy when you couldn't have one actually on one buy and then have a live game into South Australia. And there's other examples of that from different states as well.
We've got multiple teams doubling up already against teams before they've even played some other teams the first time.
>> So if you played everybody once >> and then had your exotics >> Yeah. So >> work >> um it it's just been every single week there's been an issue. It it kind of feels like they sent through the draft like you know when it spat out of that machine from the guy in Canada and they went there you go off it goes and then now all we're retrospectively going hang on what's going on there what's going on there what's happened here I get it it's never going to be perfect like it is never ever going to be perfect and I I do um have some like you know some I guess considerations for the AFL you're not going to nail it but it it has been it's been a >> but the days of um you know people will follow football and they won't follow you know W ball or you know GFL and all that sort of you know terrible things that used to be said about the various you know the bum sniffers and all that sort of stuff.
>> No one's into that. I mean I watched the um NBA, I watched the soccer ruse. I watched all the footy. I'm going to the state of origin this week now. I'm lucky that's what I do for a living. So, you know, I've got there, but if I wasn't going to the game, I'd be watching it on TV.
>> I I love it.
>> You know, the biggest story in the world today is a cage fight on the lawn at the White House.
>> The White House. You know why? Cuz sport is exploding. In an AI world, the one thing that brings everybody together is world sport. You only have to look at what was going on in New York City yesterday with all the people. Do you reckon all those people really follow the NBA or do they just follow the excitement of what it brings?
>> Well, because it's it's the only true live reality TV. Like actual reality TV is scripted. So it's like Yeah.
>> I've always said it's the greatest reality show there is. But Jim, if you So let me finish off my job as the the fixturer at the AFL >> fixturing boss.
>> All right. If I'd have looked at that and said, "Right, okay. Why don't we play this and killed a game?" You don't want to go too early on Sundays because you've got junior football going on everywhere. Okay. But if you had that and you said, "We're going to have a watch party for the soccer on the big screen." Okay, get Toby Green out the front. You can host it before the game before, after, I don't know, whatever.
But if you did something like that and you said, "Come here, have lunch. We'll put the big screens in all the all the facilities so you can come in. You're not going to miss it.
>> Finish your junior sports or whatever you're doing. Come in, watch this, and then we'll play the game when the game their game finishes into the news." And then you play the game in Tazzay that can be on after.
>> That's what I mean. Like I I feel like it came through ticked off it because it there some boxes like hang on let's just put it down and just actually let's let's try and pull it apart like who's playing who where is it at? Let's go through the rounds even around you highlighted around Grand Prix. What can we do there? You know opening rounds all that sort of stuff. Nine buy rounds.
Hang on. We've got both Port Adelaide and Adelaide not playing football. And again this happened for other states but I'm just using that example.
>> Yeah. Oh, that was the best example.
>> Yeah. Oh, hang on. Why don't we just have one of them playing this week and then one of them playing that week and play a home game.
>> Keep it going. That's why I don't like the buyers having nothing on. You got to keep people going and and keep the competition happening. Anyway, um there was an opportunity missed, but I can also understand the AFL saying we got to run our competition.
>> Yeah. Um you >> Yeah, you've been teasing this one throughout the podcast.
>> Okay.
>> All right. What do you say?
>> What do I say is this? They're running around too much. The umpires stand still.
>> Oh, you want the you want the year 10 PE teacher in the silky tracky pants.
>> I do.
>> Oh, or the authoritative figure looking like they're running the game rather than wearing the, you know, unflattering PE attire that would get you, you laughed at out of every gym.
Um, the idea of running around is is great.
They're fit. They're great athletes.
They're wonderful, but they're all over the shop. We have boundary umpires running up and down. Don't need that to happen now because of the the rule between the arcs. As I said, you put the two goies in. They take care of that.
You put the umpires and you just move across and you move up and you stand there. And when you're going to ball the ball up, you throw it few meters in front of you. It's not a bounce anymore.
That's why we got rid of the bounce.
>> Instead, they're running back right now.
This not blaming the umpires. The players should get the hell out of the way. But if you're out of the way and you're standing still, then anybody who hits you, give them four weeks.
>> Y >> Okay. Now, the one of the one I'm talking about is Toby McMullen will get a fine today.
>> Yes.
>> So, he's running through watching the play. Plays over here. He's running through the corridor of the ground. He's watching his opponent.
>> He's making the play and an umpire goes straight across.
>> Goes east west as he's running north south.
Now, that umpire has got a duty of care to have a look around as well. Okay. But if he's not running across, why was he running across? There was an umpire over there. Stand still.
>> Stand off the ball.
>> Can we get him in a in a grid or a diamond?
>> That's what I'm saying.
>> Yeah, cuz I I was at Marvel the the other other night, the dogs versus the crows. It might have just been that that one special case, so I'm happy to be wrong again, but there was another ball up in the middle of the ground >> and there was the umpire. So imagine they're all facing the interchange and it's right in the middle almost another a secondary ball up. So the umpire um balls the ball up and backed out the far away going away from the interchange.
But I looked actually the ground the umpire imagine if you drew a line straight down the middle of the ground.
>> Mhm.
>> Going you know long ways not width. So they've backed out to the far side. The umpire inside the 50 was on the far side. The umpire on the 50 was on the far side. And the only one who had sight on this side of the ground was another umpire down here.
>> Yeah.
>> But would wouldn't it just be better?
Well, they're balling up >> and we just go like, >> do you know how many times do you know how many times I've written and drawn on whiteboards house? No. No. But I've done this at AFL house. I've dime was for Jeff Gishian >> with the Gish unleash, >> right? At Harvey's restaurant, which hasn't existed for probably 15 years.
>> It was in Harvey's on Fitzroy Street.
>> No, there's the Harvey's. This was in South Sierra.
>> It was great. Darling Street, great place. It was anyway >> and with him and Tony Peak, the late Tony Peak was there. And it's exactly what you're saying. Stay in a grid formation. Be h a kick or half a kick off the ball and as the ball comes across you do that and as it goes up you do that. It's probably more like that.
It's more of an equilateral. So your description of a a diamond is a bit more apt and always the ball is coming to you. You don't have to you don't have to run. You basically patrol an area of 40 m at most >> and the ball goes up and down. And as I've always said, if if the goal umpires or umpires >> makes it even easier.
>> Yeah.
>> Anyway, but I apologize if they're already doing that, but that's just what I saw a couple of times.
>> No, I think they've doing it. I think they've done it a lot better this year.
>> Yeah.
>> But but at the moment, we've got a problem and I think the solution they're trying to get to, i.e. finding BS is not making it work. And I come back to your point or was it you or Jimmy heard who said it last? Yeah. I think you might have said it at some stage as well, but if you're going to find a club, you find that the only way this is going to work is if you take it off the soft cap, >> right?
>> You got to find the football department.
Then the coach says, "Don't stand there.
We'll come up with a different plan."
>> Yeah. Because if you find the club, what they do is when they put in their P&Ls and >> Well, there's no point finding Gold Coast, is there?
>> And they ask for their yearly distribution. Say if you need >> $20 million, you go, "Well, you've been fined 50." Hey, we need 20 million and 50 >> or if they're finding the Gold Coast, the AFL's taking one hand back and then giving it back again.
>> So, that's got to either come off the player >> and the and the coaching department.
>> Your pies are in danger of this, too.
And the Bulldogs as well for umpire contact. A number of clubs are.
>> Yeah. Well, again, it depends what you what the what the contact is, I suppose, isn't it? or the context of it.
>> So, I wouldn't be putting McMullen up as one of those. That was a >> that that wasn't McMullen looking or using a shield or anything else. That was an accident that happened with too many people running in different directions and uh an exit missile coming out of nowhere that cleaned him up or nearly got him. Luckily, he averted at the last second.
>> You did.
>> Right. That's my rub it in, by the way, because I've been saying this all year.
>> Okay. been saying the positioning the umpires for the best part of 25 years now I reckon >> deep heat >> such a good smell in it >> yeah you know what we should do >> we should find out the people who aren't making these decisions and put the deep heat in their jocks >> right >> that might be the fine don't worry about 2000 >> get the deep heat in your jocks at 40 >> although the cool stuff might be bad on a hot day >> about this ice gel >> yeah I've actually used that and that is not a promo that's not just I know uh certain newspaper apologizing for yourself.
>> No, no, cuz I know there's a certain newspaper for um when you represent a brand, they they get real hot under the collar.
>> Who's that?
>> Just a certain newspaper.
>> Say it.
>> No, it's all right. There's not too many to filter your way through. I actually used that cuz I I have a My left foot gets it a bit croo at times because that was an injury. I had nvicular stress fractures and things like that.
>> I I went and bought that out of my own pocket and I used it and it was fantastic. I got it in my car. I can prove it.
>> Yeah. Okay, but I believe you.
>> Don't fight me on this one.
>> You're fighting hard on your credibility today, mate. Take it for granted. We like you and we think you're an honorable person.
>> I like you too, Ed.
>> Until such time.
>> My rub it in, of course, because this is my first crack, so I didn't actually um last week. So, it's a retrospective one and I did this with James Herd regarding it's a very football one. We said the Western Bulldogs and we already highlight you know Jordan Dawson he he was best on ground against the cats and he can hit the scoreboard and things like that and I know teams go we don't run a tag and things like that but you've got to actually pay him some respect and um their plan and the bomb was very good post sometimes you have plans and players just break them but I don't think they sorted through enough plans for Jordan Dawson. He absolutely tore the dogs apart. You want to have plan A, B, and C for Jordan Dawson.
>> Correct. So, rub it in.
>> Um, >> deep heat. Extra strength. Feel it work.
Always read the label and follow the directions for use.
>> And that usually means don't put it in someone's jocks. Okay.
>> Put the icy one if you're going to do.
>> All right.
>> Bartel medal.
>> Right. The Bartell medal. Jamal has gone Jordan Dawson cuz he picket Will Ascrooft.
>> Pretty good.
>> Go from Will Ashoft, doesn't it?
>> Oh, he kicks one a year, I reckon.
>> Yeah.
>> Um, >> you know what I liked about that?
>> He went for it. Yeah, of course. He's all class. Plenty of BS for the one votes.
>> Is there ever?
>> Yeah, but do you know what happens at the end?
>> What happens on a non- bye weekend? It's like reading out the roll.
>> That's okay. I end up nailing it towards the end of the year. That's why I do it.
It adds up.
>> Plenty of guys McAdrew and Le uh Nor Anderson was Gold Coast best easily.
Jack Darling, >> love Jack Darling's play against his old team. He was fantastic. He got him going. He won the game for him.
>> Jeremy Cameron, Ollie Dempsey, the big silver was back in form. Lucky Joe Shanahan are lovers of football.
>> Waterman still gets votes.
>> Oh, no.
>> He's playing some really good football.
>> No, can't have it.
>> All right. Well, >> no. No, mate. He's cost him the game.
>> He didn't. They wouldn't have been Well, >> I know, but I'll have been an opportunity to win if it wasn't for his game.
>> Yes.
>> So, I'll take his 3-3.
>> As Shakespeare wrote, there is a tide in the affairs of men which taken at the flood leads onto fortune, omitted all the voyage of their lives, left wallowing in shallows and miseries.
>> I'll shorten it.
>> His moment came. hit the post. Bad luck.
>> He missed it.
>> Zack Taylor played a very good game on Bailey Dale. Smith and Holmes are good.
Gourne Heene Lad Wilmont Toranto Jasper Elga Young Tiger. They found one. Banged home some goals. Naz little Binger Shorty Daniels and Aaron Cadman.
>> He's a good player, isn't he?
>> But my three votes >> look like you should be given a million bucks a year, too.
>> Yes. You'll love this name. I know you're number one ticket holder. Sam Barry.
>> Sammy Bry.
>> Jeezy little brick ass.
>> Is he good?
>> Yeah, he's a good player. Flying Ryan, of course, Cosy Shasel, Will Ashcraftoft, and a special four voter this week.
>> Jordan Dawson, >> you're giving him four votes, >> mate.
>> It's not Sun Score. Did you remember Suncore?
>> No, hang on. I I'll quote someone a little bit early in the show. You know, you can record things these days >> and you can watch minis and things like that. Go watch the mini. Go record the game and and then come back to me and tell me he didn't deserve full votes.
>> I agree with you. Yeah.
>> So, our leaderboard looks like this.
Mhm.
>> 25 to the bond, 24 to Nick dos of course had the buy. Cozy on 19, Henny on 15, and Jordan Dawson on 15.
>> Well, there's five ripping players at the moment. They are worth the price of admission to go the footy. I I think the foot's been good.
>> It has been good. It's been really good.
We had some close results, some nailbiters, >> um you know, some couple of teams, plenty of talking points.
>> That's it. Imagine if they just put us in and we could sort everything out in couple of weeks and how much better it would be.
Everyone's got an opinion and that's why we love it here. And if you've got one, send us an email to Eddie [email protected].
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