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The Living Emblems Michael Maier's Atalanta Fugiens
Added:Welcome back to the Occult Rejects.
Today we're diving into one of the most beautiful, mysterious, and influential books ever produced in the history of Western esotericism.
It's a work that blends alchemy, mythology, philosophy, sacred symbolism, poetry, music, and art into a single experience. It's a book that refuses to be read only one way in only one way.
Instead, it asks you to look, to listen, to contemplate, and perhaps even to transform alongside it. We're talking about Michael Myers at Atlantia Fugans.
If you spent any time studying alchemy, Rosacruianism, hermetic philosophy, or even the work of Carl Young, chances are you have encountered one of Meer's remarkable emblems without realizing where it came from. These images have appeared in countless books, lectures, documentaries, and discussions of Western esotericism. Yet, surprisingly, few people have ever explored the work they belong to or the mind that created them. This this isn't simply an old alchemical text. It is one of the earliest multimedia books ever produced.
Every chapter combines an engraved emblem, a Latin motto, an epig, an extended philosophical commentary, and even a piece of music written as a three-part fee. 400 years ago, before the internet made us think in combination of image, sound, and text, Michael Meyer was inviting his readers to learn through all of those senses at once. The question is, why? What was this simply an elaborate way to teach chemistry? Was it a coded Rosacruian text, a spiritual training manual, a memory system, a work of meditation, or was it all of those things at the same time? Those are exactly the questions we're going to wrestle with today and take a look at hopefully five of his emblems. And joining me today to do that, we got my man Maggus in the media.
What is going on, sir? How are you?
>> Sup, bro? I'm doing great. There's nothing better than on a beautiful Monday to be chilling here with the great Nicola Nickville cult rejects.
Woo! Don Marco.
Yeah, I'm doing great. Let's [ __ ] get it. What's fascinating about this is when you sent this over to me, I was all like, "Oh, I think it's exactly what you said. Oh, Michael Meyer. Okay, I've heard of this name." And then I was all like, "Wait." And then you look up all the emblems that you sent over and I was like, "Oh, we've seen this. You can if Yeah. Again, if you know Carl Young's work or anything throughout all the years, all of these emblems are in every Manly Phall book we've ever seen. You know what I mean?
>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. You So, yeah. I've definitely seen some of them before, especially the squaring the circle and stuff. Yeah.
>> The guy drawn on the thing.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Yep. Yep.
>> Yeah. No, it's fascinating. This is beautiful.
>> Oh, yeah. But, uh yeah, I have uh for listeners, I have covered this this guy before in the past. I highly suggest to you go check it out. It's a lot older, probably about a year and a half, maybe two years. Michael Meyer, I think it was uh probably a two episode thing. I covered some of his books. I did focus on this. I do think we might have even done a show with uh with Mario from Symbolic Studies on some of the emblems.
Maybe repeating maybe one or two of those here. Um but still, it's Maggus wasn't on the show then. And you know, I also just probably didn't add as much because there was more people then and I'm, you know, whatever looking at it differently now.
>> Yeah.
>> And this uh it's been a few years, so I think it's, you know, well worth bringing up again. Uh hopefully maybe even in the future if this goes well, we can get other rejects on and talk about other ones.
>> Um besides Michael Meyer, uh I do want to start touching on uh Oh man, I always forget this dude's name. Hinrich Kunra.
>> I wanted to do his emblems. Um, that's something that I have spoken to the rejects about and stuff and hopefully maybe in a couple of weeks we will do that one. There's seven emblems I'd really like to touch on and uh, one of them does kind of I think show a symbol that people normally know by a different illustrator, you know, but and I think it'd be interesting to see it a little bit older. But uh yeah uh before we I guess kind of you know before we start looking at the emblems themselves, I do think it's worth spending a few minutes getting to know a little bit about the man behind them.
>> Yeah.
>> Um Michael Meyer was born in Germany in 1568 during one of the most intellectually explosive periods in European history. Uh the Renaissance had revived interests in the writings of Plato, Hermes Tismagist, the Neoplatist and classic and countless countless classical authors. Um, the Protestant Reformation had fractured the religious landscape of Europe, while new discoveries in astronomy, medicine, and natural philosophy were challenging ideas that had stood for centuries. It was an age in which science, religion, philosophy, and what we now call the occult had not yet been separated into distinct disciplines. Scholars often moved comfortably between medicine, astronomy, theology, music, mathematics, and alchemy because all were understood as different paths toward understanding the same divine order. Meer Meyer embodied that Renaissance ideal. He studied medicine, eventually earning a doctorate and became a respected physician. His reputation brought him to the court of the Holy Roman Emperor Rudolph II in Prague, perhaps the greatest center of alchemical and hermetic study in Europe at the time.
Rudolph's court attracted astronomers, artists, natural philosophers, instrument makers, astrologers, physicians, and alchemists from across the continent. uh figures such as Johannes Kepler and Taiko Brahe work there alongside individuals searching for the philosopher stone to modernize those pursuits may seem contradictory but in Rudolph's world they were simply different approaches to uncovering the hidden laws governing nature it was in this extraordinary intellectual environment that Michael Meer developed many of the ideas that would define his career although remembered primarily as an alchemist today Meyer was much more than someone searching for gold. Like many serious alchemical philosophers of his era, he believed that the laboratory reflected deeper truths about nature, humanity, and the soul. The transformation of metals was never just about metallergy. It survived as a model for understanding purification, growth, balance, and the purification of both matter and the human being. Meyer was also closely associated with the Rosacrusian movement that emerged in the early 17th century. Whether he was formerly a member remains debated by historians, but he very much defended the Rosacrusian manifestos and shared many of their ideals. that wisdom was scattered throughout throughout ancient traditions, that nature itself was a sacred book waiting to be read, and that true knowledge required moral and spiritual transformation rather than intellectual achievement alone. And then in 1617, Mia published what many consider his masterpiece, Atlanta Fujian, calling it a book, Harley does it justice. It contains 50 emblems.
Every emblem begins with a striking engraving rich in mythological, biblical, and alchemical symbolism. Each is paired with a short Latin motto followed by a poetic epig and extended philosophical discourse explaining or sometimes deliberately obscuring the image. And finally, a threepart musical fugue intended to be performed rather than merely read. No other alchemical work combines these elements quite like this. Rather than presenting them presenting straightforward instructions, Meyer forces the reader into active participation. You cannot simply skim these pages. You have to compare the image with the text, notice recurring symbols, recognize mythological references, reflect on biblical passages, and even hear how the music interacts with the ideas. The reader becomes a participant in the work rather than a passive observer.
That may be the book's greatest lesson.
The emblems are not merely illustrations explaining alchemy. They are exercises in perception. He trained the imagination, strengthen memory, sharpen symbolic thinking, and encourage the reader to see relationships between ideas that would otherwise remain hidden. Whether one approaches them as spiritual allegory, practical alchemy, psychology, mythology, ordic philosophy, the process of contemplating the emblems is itself part of what Meyer appears to have intended. Perhaps that's why Atlanta fugians has never really disappeared.
Its imagery influenced generations of alchemists. Rosaian preserved and studied it. Carl Young later drew from works like Mayor's while developing his ideas about archetypes and individuation.
Historians continue to study it as one of the greatest emblem books ever produced. While practicing magicians still meditate on its symbols in search of insights that words alone cannot provide. More than 400 years after its publication, the book continues to ask the same question of every reader. Can you see beyond the picture? And uh yeah, that's enough out of me for now. Um there's a lot that I said in there that I do think uh I would like to even maybe touch on before we even get into the emblems. I mean, I said a lot right there. There's the Rosacruianism.
>> There's even I think uh even looking at how me and Brandon and even Kya have been talking about recently and I even think touches in with a lot of things they've even been talking about. Um you know you can start and you know I do believe that uh you start looking at these images and start thinking about certain things and the music you know you start to stimulate your senses you know could you be actually imprinting something on yourself >> you or is that part of the relationship you know >> is that why it seems so impactful is because it actually is like you know your ears your eyes you know and all this other stuff you know so there's a lot of stuff I think uh you know if you want to Brandon maybe we could talk about a little bit before we even get to the >> Yeah. No, I >> was with Rosianism actually, if you don't mind me asking.
>> Oh, it's a Yeah, a great that's a good place to start actually. Um so with Rosacrushianism I'm of the ilk that the Rosacrushianism was an actual order but the um the Ross himself um is it the whole story is a complete and utter mythology um and legend to stimulate um protect the the lost word not of Freemasonry but the Freemasons use it as well and it goes through this like adab ship through the ages. So it's to help um hold and protect uh the secret teachings of all ages really as manly pH talks about and the names change um but the secrets that it's trying to unfold which is the development of the human into as na says the ubber men are trying the alchemical principles of the western esoteric mystery schools. So the rose of Krishna is just one another to me an incarnation of these ancient esoteric teachings that have come to us from all the way I would state into from Babylonian Sumerian magic and whatever happened before then. And so for me it's again it's an institution um from those you know 13 14 1500s that then um held certain secrets uh throughout the inquisition and those time frames and initiated men into higher levels of consciousness to help protect these secrets both of the individual and the civilization.
That's how I would that's personally it's like we get caught up in the names um you know and then the story of Rosa CR and and how um >> yeah shout out to Freigher RC um >> what's going on but >> yeah some say we'll see how soon >> you know it's right I was just telling Brandon Pis actually I was like yo I should get him on to talk about the lesser banishing ritual of the pentagram because Brandon was telling me I didn't know that you have tons of information uh on on your channel. So >> yeah, >> if you're listening, Fra, hit me up. I'd love to get you on if you want to talk about that on the show.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you definitely should.
I was um Yeah, I was pumping you up here right before we were chatting about your brilliant uh lesser ritual of the pentagram um shows that you've been doing, especially the one back in the day, the three and a half hour long one.
I've been a longtime listener, Freder.
Not to, you know, not to jazz you up too much, but then to go back even to um the kind of the kind of That's beautiful.
Great. Um that's [ __ ] perfect. Um I just love these institutions that have h that have held these ancient secret teachings for such a long time and they're so beautiful and it's fascinating. It's how I think they they just make sure that we all have the secret knowledge through time and it doesn't get lost to the ages to you know these different um anti- anti-life ideologies you know >> and so I think this is a doing to go then to the symbols of from like the Rosacruians you know the golden dawn the masonry all the way back into even like the assassins and the templars all the way back to the neoplatanists and the hermeticists and you just continue to go back. Each one of these things were doing exactly what I think Michael Mayor is doing in his um Atlanta fugue works and that is having these sacred emblems and as you meditate upon them like you would any highlevel sigil to mandala or any of these pieces of work it they it changes you because you're taking in the archetypes of the collective unconscious.
It's so it's doing exactly what you're talking about. It is actually brainwashing you when you're putting yourself in the correct state of mind to contemplate um the secrets within each image.
>> Yeah, it's kind of like a it's like a his own not it's not tarot but it's kind of like the major arcana in a certain way. He's taking you through the process of alchemy through each um emblem.
>> Yeah. Yeah. And that's even you know is another thing too that I thought was very interesting about this and um when you talk about like you know the like taking you through a story.
>> Yeah. Um, I even wondered this about uh Hinrich Kunroth.
>> Hey, I was just looking that up. Yep.
Yep. Yep. His Christian alchemy >> because uh the images in his book uh Hinrich Kunroth's images in his books don't go in the same order. There was two of them at Biki Library. So, I was able to because like I read online that supposedly, you know, the thing is is that they wonder if you have to put the emblems in the right order cuz you know there supposedly the books aren't the same.
>> Yeah. Wick library had two of them. So I was able to photograph both of them side by side in the same picture and prove yes they actually don't go in the same order. They are different in these books >> and they have question which would really suck in these 50 emblems if you actually got to rearrange them too.
>> That's fantastic. I like that a lot because that's very similar to um when when you read Alphus Levy's ritual of dogma or um right it's like or you read like I continually have high magic sitting next to me um and I will state this translated by John Michael Greer um is it's this is a brilliant take um it's doing the same thing I find out I think that you know we have to hide this the certain secrets from the profane um and because of that's how our consciousness protects itself self is so then once you go through the study and research and the practice the meditation and you start to unfold the mythological story the mythopo poetoic story it does imprint itself upon your nervous system and in your unconscious so then you can go through the anaesis the platonic remembering as we wash our you know wash oursel through the river of laith and and and to forget and then when we remember it's the story of going through the ri the river of nson we must we must have that that those those moments otherwise it's too much too soon too fast and all of a sudden you're [ __ ] like you're you know a burning man [ __ ] burnout who's like I got all the secrets of the teachings bro just follow me to the one you know it's like it's like what that means nothing to me you know like that's useless I Nick you should so I know we're going to do a whole show on the Henry Kunworth but I find this image I put in here interesting can we pull it up >> sure >> and we can then um I just want to briefly go over the beauty of this >> I Yeah, >> of this image right here because it's doing >> that from a cult research institute, >> right? Oh, it's on there. Okay, nice.
Next time, next time I will. But I like what it says under here because this is something very similarly that I've seen through my own um mostly done on like ritual and enthogenic usage um in my early years. But this kind of image is like it says underneath quote this is the portal of the amphitheater of the only true and eternal wisdom a narrow one indeed but sufficiently a august and consecrated to Jehovah. To this portal ascent is made by a mystic indistinally prologetic flight of steps set before it is shown in the picture. It consists of seven theosophic or rather philosophic steps of the doctrine of the faithful stone.
after ascending the steps the path is along the way of God the father either directly by inspiration or by various immediate means. Um and then it kind of goes on to talk about how the um contemplating upon these things investigating it in its Christian cobalistic the veno magical physical chem uh chemical manner the nature of wisdom goodness and the power of the creator to the end of that did not die sophistically but lives theosophically.
And so to me when we're looking at these things it's it's doing exactly upon the mind now upon the intellect. It's like placing it amongst a a field where you can align harmonically with these things that it can open up new levels of experience. And I think in our normal life, it's like going through an initiation because it's representing the path of initiation itself itself. Very similarly to um the steps of Freemasonry as you're going through each degree.
It's like rising in these steps to finally just becoming a master mason.
You must arise the shafts into the Assyrian temple, right? And die and be reborn. There's that the very very similarly to this image. It makes me feel that way because not only is it a cave with all these beautiful words and things that you're learning like God imprinting it on your soul. It also looks like a b it's like a burning portal, right? It's like what is that burning portal? It's the apocalypse of your life and then you're reconstituted a new man when you're done. It's mind it's it's purely mind-blowing. And so it's beautiful of what these um things we're going to get to here next are are doing as well. So that just want to pull that up. I thought that was great. Yeah, his images are amazing. There's like some of the images from his book. It's just like I mean you could like literally like just spend so much time just going bit by bit. There's so much detail like these little people and >> towns and everything around it. It's just like who knows what's uh like what's like what's not supposed to be a cult symbolism and what is you know is all those little people like even mean something you know it's [ __ ] >> No. And I think it does each person on a different step. I like what it says above it. Um uh it says for for hence remain oh ye profane at the at the portal because because once you step through it your life is forever changed and you are no longer the profane. You have been initiated into the adap ship of ages. Um it it seems like an infinite portal and each one of these things is almost representing that fire that it takes upon the initiate walking up these steps. It's it's it's just gorgeous. And this is what we've lost.
It's like who's making art like this anymore? I I can't even tell you that I think Alex Gray is even doing things like this, you know, because this is something so intricate with the Renaissance like miss like the the detail, you know what I mean? To really put things in here so you actually have to let it envelop you like completely.
Yeah. You know what's really interesting and I've looked into it and I thought about trying to maybe cover them. I don't know if there's like it's probably enough about all of them, but like even when it comes to a lot of these engravings, some of them were done by like the same like three or four people or like groups.
>> Yeah.
>> Like like a lot of the people didn't necessarily do their own engravings for their books. I wish I could remember names. There's a few of them that I that I noticed were even done by the same person. And it's like, you know, like for me, like I'm wondering, does even the engraver have an understanding too who's making the image or are you going solely on like every like is like you know how much details got to be relayed to even make this image >> so much.
>> Does the engraver have like something in that as well? Or do they or do they understand what they're making as well?
Like were they a cultist and >> Yeah.
>> just looked over because they were just the engraver, >> you know?
>> Yeah. No, I like that. It's um it it seems like a lot of the masters of the last hundred years even had proteges, right? So that's where you get this whole master protetéé walking up the steps of the adept into becoming the initiated master is a very it's actually goes back to you know hyramifan the um the building of Solomon's temple where a lot of the mythology comes of that or the the mason the masons as they move forward you have the the master mason is the guy who had the whole blueprints to the whole thing and then the lower levels had bits and pieces as they worked their way up to being their own master builder. So it's an allegory and a metaphor for something that is actually enacted in operative masonry.
So I can only imagine, you know, the the mythopoetic Brandon really wants it to be like, oh, I hope all the engravers were some kind of level of initi. They kind of have to be.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
you know, you kind of have. But then again, William Blake and and you know, Blake with all his beauty and writings and all his engravings that he did, his wife mastered his hand and what did a lot of the engravings for him and so William Blake himself had his own carver and that's his wife. So, uh >> Oh, that's right. He's going you're going on he's going on your show Thursday. Very nice. Yes, he is. I'm just saying bye for people wondering why we stopped working.
>> Oh, thank you. Thank you, Freigher.
Freigher RC. Um, yeah, have fun at that seminar. I want to get my hands on some of that Hermetica Litwa's books. That book is would be great. And Thursday, just so everyone knows, it's not going to be live, but Freigher RC and I are [ __ ] crushing Mayor James Keenan and all his projects in the oult aspects of what the hell is going on with Tulle, a perfect Perfect Circle, and Pussifur.
>> Nice. Yeah, like you just said just in the chat to talk all things made of James Ke.
>> Nice. Nice. I look forward to hearing that actually once that drops. So, I'm gonna actually listen to that.
>> Yeah, he's good.
>> Nice. Thank you. Yeah. You know, I've even thought about how you, you know, not to get off the subject, I really should get you on to talk about a little bit more about this tool and stuff.
>> Oh, bro.
>> Because I mean, it's quite obvious. I mean, again, I think we've even spoken about it. I mean, he's put magical squares on his drum sets, and you got to wonder if he's even like hitting the [ __ ] things to spell [ __ ] out or something like that.
>> Damn right he is.
>> You know, is he hitting different areas of the drum, the magic different parts of the square, you know?
>> Oh, yeah. No, for sure. Danny Carrey, the greatest drummer of all time. The [ __ ] magical octopus hands himself is everywhere. He captured a demon in a box and has it sit behind him. Uh, that's like one of the stories put out there.
Danny Kerry is one of the number one um holders of first publications of Crowley and Kenneth Grant's work.
>> Oh wow.
>> He has a massive library. Um yeah, it's it's so crazy and it's um and what's wild is and what I'm going to get into a lot when Freder and RC and I talk and we can do it here um when we do that. But my journey with that band has been so synchronistic. It's [ __ ] crazy. And I and I talk about it like one of those crazy Tool fans. They're like, "Oh, you know those Crazy Tool fans who like think of it's like a mystery school?"
Yeah, I'm a [ __ ] head high priest of that [ __ ] school. Just so we all know. Like, yeah, >> priest. He just said, >> "Fucking right. I love it, dude." Um, before we get into the emblems, there was one other thing I did want to touch on and, uh, you know, you bringing up uh, you even showing this from um, Kunroth.
>> Yeah. uh he was another one I think of the same belief where uh you know just like Meyer and there were other alchemists I think even Robert Flood who I think I'm pretty sure was a Rosian apologist that were considered >> um they you know I like those alchemists just for my opinion you know I I'm sure you know maybe there's some scientific way to start turning other you know metals into gold but uh they were very much into the whole spiritual alchemy.
>> Yes. Yes. And I do uh I do like that take on it. You know, I do think that's a little bit more of a you know uh it makes more sense to me that way, you know.
>> Oh, it's much more sense. And it goes along the lines of how alchemists would write would do all their work um in code and write them as cookbooks or whatever.
And that is again so the secrets wouldn't be led like have the profane lead them into like dabbling oultists are the worst thing in the entire world for that reason. It's um it's to hide the secrets from the profane because the secrets are total obliteration of all things that lightning bolt path the magic of the philosopher stone. It's the it's the it's again it's a tool line. Uh the universe is hostile so impersonal devoured to survive so it was so it always is. It's like looking upon the Ark of the Covenant and you don't have your being vibrating at the correct frequency, it will [ __ ] explode.
You'll you'll just blow up. You know what I mean? That's like the That's the mythosis of seeing the Ark of the Covenant. It's it's it's the idea it's the actual idea of having like a condundolini experience, but your body hasn't been prepped for it and your nervous system blows out. You know what I mean? Because of you weren't ready for the God the God experience.
>> Sure. No, I totally I totally get what you're saying. That's why I even think like uh that's my problem with I guess maybe some certain you know certain orders or problems with secret societies or I mean I guess most I don't know I I I just even the way most schools or even anybody pushing magic uh doesn't seem to like look at it to the effect to where it might actually be a shock on your system.
>> Yeah.
>> You know what I'm saying? Like maybe something actually really physically or scientifically going on with your body when you have a magical experience.
>> Of course it does.
>> That could put a heavy strain on you.
>> And that like in like oh because I contacted Hakante or [ __ ] you know you know I got a [ __ ] rash now or my life is turning to bits or [ __ ] or you know whatever.
>> No no I completely agree. It's >> Yeah. What what I've been kind of trying to get across over the last few videos I've done is this idea. I think it's actually just in the last two. Um, the dark knight of the soul is a lot different than and I think I saw Jamie Paul Lamb actually maybe did it or somebody on Substack was talking about it and it's that >> when the romantic poets talked about the dark knight of the soul, it was an actual like existential paradigm shift and anxiety angst like you were questioning your very the foundation and your existence. It wasn't just like I like I I >> staring into the face of insanity.
>> That's exactly what it is. And you have to restructure yourself.
>> Yep. Oh yeah. And so it's such a fascinating thing. It's like um the go through the dark night of the soul. It's almost like once you enter into that and Robert Anton Wilson talked about it with the tra he called it chapel perilous.
Technically once you enter in you you you you only think you're out of it but you the idea of even Haidiger and and Kirkagard these fathers of existentialism when they started talking about things like existence and anst despair you that is actually what what makes life worth living and that's that's a that's a paradigm shift within yourself to finally understand that the suffering you're going through is part and in part and parcel of what it means to be human and I think that's really important because then Haidiger talks about how that's how we look upon the horizon uh and we are being there being there towards death and once we become okay with that that's when we can truly move forward into true being being the way it is and so um and I think that's what these glyphs are actually getting across in that alchemical dissolution and reconstruction is that you're going through something and It it is truly apocalyptic because it's your world is ending and you're being reborn if you have done the work to help your body go through that process.
>> I concur.
>> Yeah. [ __ ] yeah.
>> Yeah. Yeah. No, and that's like even I guess like you know what I was getting at like you know I think maybe even if they entertained a little bit more of like you know there could be some even out-of- body experiences that you know I think if if somebody really wants to entertain that that actually could be possible. I think like then you at that point like if you really believe like if somebody's hammering into you or like you take that on as a belief as actually something that could happen from magic.
I'm even thinking then like it may help a little bit because at some point you've had to have actually kind of maybe accepted it. So like when you had this experience like for me I guess what I'm getting at is that when I had my experience and I just I guess you know kind of snored how I thought it happened it seemed to defy what I thought was possible going by the way I have been brought up.
>> Oh yeah. and learned the world around me and you know religion shaped that a lot you know.
>> Oh yeah. Oh yeah.
>> And just you know even science in school or like the lack of science that we're taught in school you know made it seem like that that would be impossible. So I think like if you were to like kind of like maybe let people know prior that it could actually maybe be a little bit weirder than you think and it could really shatter like >> Oh yeah.
>> belief systems. Maybe it wouldn't shatter you as hard because you'd be going into it knowing. I don't know. I'm just wondering if that would help a little bit more.
>> You know, maybe, you know, Dark Knight of the Soul will be a little bit lighter, you know, not as dark.
>> Yes. No, I completely agree. And because a lot of times once you that's what in that's why Carl um that's why Joseph Campbell talks about initiation being um going through initiations as kids and going through ritual and having that movement from adolescence into being an adult is you would go out into the dark night with a weapon and try to basically survive and come back with like a like a the a dead king of the jungle like a leopard or a jaguar or something and showing that you can survive within the cathonic forces of night. And then it makes me think about you saying all that. It makes me think about exactly what Mark Booth is writing about in all his his trilogy of the secret history of the world into the secret sacred history of the world and now in the secret history of the universe is that these exact things are what are going on when we finally make this switch from seeing the world as scient as the scientific materialists see it as that mechanized world. And now you realize now when you have like a god experience of some kind of earthshattering psyche breaking thing which is important that's that's the blackening that's what's coming on in the nogrado in the alchemical pathway but now it's about if you've trained for it like in yoga yogic training um you you train your body you train your mind your breath so then when you go through the bardos or when you go through the different visions and realms that you can actually be protected in that journey because it's going to completely destroy you >> to rebuild you.
>> Yeah.
>> And people don't make it through because of I'm I don't know. I'm lucky. I barely made I'm [ __ ] just as mad as the rest of us, right? Um you know, it's like I just >> Yeah, exactly. I can just articulate it my madness, you know, it's like a lot different. And I think having a being grounded helps. Um but in in that thriving to I think that's one of the reasons Cwley took on the his um his na sacred name in the beginning purabo.
Purabo in Latin means I shall endure to the end whatever that means.
>> Yeah.
>> Let's go.
>> I like that man.
But yeah uh yeah let's get into the emblems now. Um, >> let's go.
>> Yeah, I'm going to pull up this one.
All right. See if I can even kind of like >> Oh, yeah. This it's beautiful.
>> Yeah. This is actually the first one.
>> Epogram of the wind or Yeah. Right.
>> Yeah. Uh, the It's called emblem one, the child carried by the wind.
>> Yeah. Child carried by the wind.
>> And the Latin motto translated into English is the wind carried him in its belly. And just real quick, if that sentence where that came from, this sentence is supposedly drawn from the emerald tablet where the mysterious alchemical substance is described through a cosmonic cosmic genealogy and it goes uh the sun is its father, the moon is its mother, the wind carries it in its belly, the earth is its nurse.
So um I guess you know I can even look at it as starting it off. Well, one just to add since it's not the first one in that list, I'm wondering if this isn't actually the first emblem because it's not the first one in that list, >> but it's even kind of I think even just the first emblem is already telling you this is an alchemical >> situ like you know you're going through an alchemical journey.
>> Uhhuh.
>> Already hitting on Hermes Trisistas if you're if you're taking it from uh if you're taking it from the emerald tablet.
So, I just, you know, I think that's something worth saying with the first image, it's already kind of like telling you that situation at least.
>> Yeah, it's beautiful. Do you have the um >> Let me see if I can uh >> the English the translation of the of the words underneath.
>> Uh I have Yeah, I have what they kind of got at.
>> Yeah, I found it here. If you >> Yeah. Yeah. Then you do it. You do it.
>> Yeah. Show the picture. I found the So, it says, right? It says, "If Borius can in his own wind conceive an offspring that can bear this light and live in art, strength, body, mind he shall excel. All wonders men of ancient heroes tell. Think him no Safo nor abortive brood nor yet a grippa for his star is good. It's beautiful.
>> That is awesome. I have to do I have to have you do the other ones."
>> Yeah. Yeah. Nice.
>> I had like breakdowns. I was only able to do so much in the amount of time that I had set it up.
>> Oh, this is beautiful. This is why we're a This is why we're a team. Magnus and the media and the cult rejects. We [ __ ] go deep >> cuz we're all mad here.
>> Yes, we are. Yeah. Yeah. Mad haters for sure. Just need a chest our cat.
>> Yeah, we do. I only have a Rico and he's a min doc chihuahua and he's with Kaiba so he's not even here. I don't even know what to do.
>> No, I might actually get a cat eventually.
>> You should. You should. They are the protectors of the night.
>> Oh, no. I'm like, you know, that's getting off topic, but I'm much more of a cat person actually than a dog person.
>> Well, I thought I was until the woman you love has their familiar and it's a dog and then all of a sudden you become best friends. So, I get it. But, you know, love changes you.
>> You know, it's funny. Any any any, you know, woman that I ever got involved with that was also into animals was never a dog. They always liked cats.
>> Interesting.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Huh. Doesn't mean we should think about that.
Some weird [ __ ] stuck in my head. Who knows?
>> So they say that the you you might say this, but the image shows volatile mercury composed of vapor joining with the strength of sulfur given form by the god Borius representing the male and the female elements whose union holds the seed of philosophical gold.
>> Yeah. And even wind I even like that I even wonder you know obviously is an attribution to Mercury.
Oh, for sure. And it's this vapor above his head and his how his hands move into the vapor. It's like making these clouds. Um, uh, they're always so stacked. You guys, you can tell this guy can do a double leg like no, no one's business.
>> Um, it says all day.
>> That's what I'm saying. This is saying and this is the beginning of the work in its embriionic state. Matter still unformed, carried in wind rather than resting in earth. The philosophical child has not yet been born. It's ex It exists only as potential inside a substance that has no fixed shape.
It's [ __ ] beautiful.
Yeah. To me, I wonder if that's like a almost like kind of showing you the uh which is why I wonder if it's not maybe the beginning one too. If this is kind of like um showing you when the magic's beginning to happen, >> kind of like you know the uh maybe dispersing into you know into air or kind of like your soul >> out. You know what I'm saying? In a sense >> like becoming one with air instead of of the physical body now.
>> Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Guess going from like a Yeah. Going from one state to another going into air now.
And um let's look up I'm going to look up Borius because that's what they're talking about here. Um Greek god Borius is the Greek god of the cold north wind storms and winter. Although he was normally taken as the north wind. The Roman writers Aluius Gileas and Ply the Elder both took Borius as a northeast wind equivalent to the Roman god Aquilo or Septrio.
Um, very strong with a violent temper to match.
>> That's that's that's great.
>> Yeah. Do you think I should uh There is music that goes along with this stuff. I could actually play some of it.
>> Oh, play it. I found something I can read that goes underneath this.
>> All right. Uh, yeah. Let me see. Let me see if you can hear it. I'm going to play it real quick.
>> Okay.
Could you hear that?
>> I don't know what it was, >> but Oh, I was supposed to be singing, but you did hear something.
>> I heard something.
>> Okay. All right.
>> Yeah. Um, what Lux says, I like what he said about his wind breath, the ruach, the spirit birthing gods. Yeah, that is beautiful. I agree. So, I found this thing underneath it. It's a discourse.
And so, I think this actually comes from the book that this comes from.
Um, and so it has a discourse underneath there.
And what it says for this one is it says discourse one, Hermes the Maft in indulous lechure into all Oh, indulous seeker into all secrets of nature. Doth in his smarine tablet. Yeah, the emerald tablets that you were talking about.
Equil equility thus succinctly describes the natural work when he slays wind carried him in his belly as if he should have laid that he whole father as soul and mother is luna before he can be brought forth into the light be carried by windy fumes even as the bird is carried into the air when it flies.
Yeah, that's beautiful.
>> What site are you using for all this?
>> I just found it. Um, what site am I using? Uh, here >> I was stuck on Furnace and Fugue and I don't think you can hear the music the way I'm playing it. So, unfortunately, I'm not going to be bummed.
>> Yeah, this is here. I'm So, in this it's I just put it in the um and it has all the images and then it has the thing that I wrote underneath it.
>> That's awesome.
Oh, nice. Yeah, that's great. You want me to uh Yeah, I guess we'll probably move on to the next one.
>> Yeah, let's go to the next one.
>> Oh, yeah. Let me see.
That is emblem eight.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah. And we'll uh let me go over to eight.
Emblem eight. That is the egg and the fiery sword. And the English motto is take the egg and strike it with a fiery sword. Some translations use pierce rather than strike. Both preserve the central image. The closed egg must be penetrated by fire.
Um, let me see. I'm going to check out this site that you sent me and see what they this thing that you sent me and see what it says on this one.
Yeah, I don't What's funny about some of these sites is they don't always translate all the stuff underneath it.
And if I if I spoke Latin or whatever this is, I Oh yeah, this one didn't translate this one, huh?
>> Uh-uh. Cuz Yeah, because then underneath it's like there are many a devere kinds of birds. Whole number is uncertain and their names unknown to us. Story tells us of a very great bird named Rrook or rock that appears at certain fifons of the year. Seasons that word >> of the year in small small lands of the ocean which can bear an elephant up with it into the air. India and America um send us crows and parrots of devere colors but it is not the philosophical intention to inquire after the eggs of the birds. Well, it's interesting because the um this egg is very significant to just mostly eggs like the orphic egg as it's cracked open and birthing new, right? The sword of the intellect can be translated with this.
But then you even in the background have that ever decreasing cave like feeling and I can only imagine he's standing upon a checkerboard with the the flames of the furnace of the alchemical furnace to his left and the doorway entered in from the right. Is that the right maybe the eastern sun? Um, and you walk in just like you would the Masonic Temple from the east. I if I if my understanding is correct, which is and he's stacked again.
>> Yeah. For people just like who might be listening, this is like basically showing some, you know, supposed to be a warrior or an alchemist, something that said uh stands before an enormous egg and directs a sword towards it. Like I guess, you know, could be, you know, cracking it. Um, I would even, you know, that, you know, sometimes I've even wondered about the whole egg symbolism in itself. I mean, just like it, you know, could this him cracking that is that necessarily a negative thing? No, I don't think so. I think I think it's it's meant to be part of the process and the progress of going through the alchemical pathways, right?
I think it's an important aspect of all of it.
>> Yeah. Have you ever wondered like if you want to kind of put it to like the demi urge where it's like kind of stuck in its own bubble thinking it runs the show and it's like you're going to pop it, you know, pop his bubble and show him like you ain't the one in charge anymore. There's this other >> right >> [ __ ] beyond you.
>> Yep.
>> All right. Uh supposedly the the poem describes a bird hidden within the egg.
The bird cannot emerge by itself unless the shell is open through the properly applied heat of the yard. The egg contains the subject of the work, but the hidden life remains trapped until the operator acts.
Um, his his discourse compares the philosophical vessel and its contents to the generation of birds.
He calls it a fire. I think though in here though, there's some reason they might refer to it as a fiery sword.
Oh, really?
>> Yeah. But yet there is no flame in the image.
>> Interesting.
>> Yeah. Then it must somehow the fire on the left hand side must be like what they're talking about then.
>> Yeah, maybe. Let me pull. Let me see if I can go out now. Yeah.
>> I like the scales on his boots almost like or you know his chain mail.
It's very Aquarius.
>> Oh, yeah. Right. I was thinking that >> the floors on the [ __ ] David Lynch and uh >> Right, right, right, right.
>> Zigzag floor. The Charlie Brown shirt.
>> Yeah, exactly. That's hilarious.
>> Did you ever hear me go off on Charlie Brown about how I believe he's Saturn?
>> No.
>> Yeah. Yeah. He uh you know brown is a color for Saturn besides black is brown.
Um and the shirt that he wears does have the Aquarius symbol.
Um and Lucy even calls him like a blockhead.
>> Of course >> they call him a blockhead >> all the time. All the time.
>> Cube.
Think about that. I don't know. I just wonder like is that like some kind of reference to >> That's hilarious.
>> Yeah. to Saturn with Charlie Brown.
There was even other times I looked at other characters and started to attribute them to Planets and uh the Cabala tree.
>> Well, it's funny that you say Charlie Brown is the >> I don't have to start riffing anymore to make it.
>> No, but I like that it's iconic nickname the astronauts gave to command and service module on the Apollo 10 mission.
Charlie Brown.
They want you to zoom in on his belly.
Right.
>> Is it uh I don't see anything. I just see he's got a belly button and he's stacked.
>> Yeah. It's so intricate. It's like art like this doesn't get done anymore. I I you know what I mean? It's like I don't I don't really understand why not.
>> Yeah. right now >> cuz it's like perfect proportions and geometry and the um the etchings on how it's made is so beautiful.
>> Got people bedazzling grimoirs instead and they don't even know what the [ __ ] magic is.
>> Well, that's what I'm saying. Need to understand the sacred proportions and so the the so the sacred proportions can come out in their own magical practice.
You know what I mean?
>> Um there's some things that you know that you can even say with the egg. I did have some of that down. Alchemical meaning for that for some people.
>> Perfect.
>> Uh if you don't know much about it, the alchemical vessel, the sealed matter of the work, the total cosmos, prima materia, the philosophical seed, the conjunction of opposing substances or the contained process of generation.
Um some had wondered if maybe the even the sword is supposed to be kind of like the fiery sword maybe means it controls the furnace heat. M no I like that and even like I was saying before uh the shell can maybe represent a fixed identity which was kind of like almost like saying before like you know where you like how you perceiving the world and who you are in it like the demiurge then realizing like oh [ __ ] that's not really who I thought I was or what the situation was it's beyond me >> for sure >> you know like that fixed identity gets shattered like if you crack that egg, you know.
>> Yeah. No, for sure. And it's very Martian, you know what I mean? It's got that that warrior Mars.
>> Oh, yeah. The chaos. You're going to need the chaos for the change, I think.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Definitely.
>> Yeah. Could be. Yeah.
Revelation.
>> Yeah. And the philosophical egg, right?
The OAM, the philosophicum. Um it's it's in a lot of um the sealed vessel, the raw material that you must break open.
uh to be able to get mo both principles out, the two principles that are inside every egg. Um yeah, that's that's Mars and Vulcan combined cuz the forge with the Martian warrior right there.
Could the shell even represent the ego too? Shattering of the >> Yeah, definitely.
>> Which I guess that would probably even be your selfidentity.
Yeah. Transformation.
>> Yeah. Beautiful.
>> No. Can it can you know my opinion I don't think you I don't think there would be transformation without destruction. I hate to say it.
>> No, you need the Yeah, I agree.
>> It doesn't mean that it has to be like people are dying or houses are burning down you know like destruction like that but a destruction of psyche or uh habit or just whatever like >> transformation something is being going to change.
>> Yeah. And the structure is destroy >> is destruction of that past belief that or whatever that you're not adhering to anymore.
>> Yeah, definitely.
>> Uh I'm the mind which can be sometimes a little bit harder to take.
>> No, I Yeah, I know.
>> Much rather maybe take a black eye than have to deal with that [ __ ] trying to like, you know, wonder am I even, you know, am I in the matrix now or what?
>> Yeah, exactly.
That's funny.
No, it's true. Uh, I have to pee. I'll be right back.
>> All right, I'm going to go over to the next emblem. Why people are here?
All right, here we go.
And the next one I have is the uh dragon devouring its tail.
And the uh English motto is uh this is the dragon that devours its tail.
pretty self-explanatory.
Um, I am going to check to see if I can find the um translation of this one real quick so I can have a little bit more to add because the stuff I grabbed was not that detailed and everything.
No, of course not. That one doesn't have the translation either.
But uh yeah, for people who aren't, you know, who are listening and who are not uh watching the thing, uh that's for the people who might be uh doing the audio after it's dropped on audio. What the image shows is a winged dragon forms a circle and bites or consumes its own tail. Kind of resembles the oraorus, but Mario's discourse makes the image more specifically alchemical than the modern shorthand of eternity.
The epig. The poem presents the dragon as a creature consuming its own substance. It destroys itself, feeds itself, and changes itself through the act. Its hunger is directed inward. The dragon does not require an entirely foreign substance. The material of its death and renewal is drawn from its own body.
So I mean some things this thing could be focusing on that has been thought is self- consumption, circularity, internal transformation, death feeding life, uh the reduction of volatile substance into a new condition.
Uh his discourse begins with stories about enormous serpents and dragons including creatures believed to inhabit Africa and India. He notes that dragons were traditionally imagined as guardians of gold, treasures, springs, and sacred objects.
And like I'm pretty sure we've all seen at some point some of those things being uh you know done in movies and uh stories. Get the golden fleece, the garden of uh the garden of Hesper Hesperetes if I'm saying that correctly.
Hidden treasure, Sclepius.
Um, Meyer then states that alchemical writers use dragons as names for chemical or philosophical subjects.
So, if he does say that, that's some pretty interesting [ __ ] right there.
Um, the dragon because I do think like, you know, I do think it's possible that maybe these things exist. I know like when it comes to conspiracy theories, uh, you know, dragons could be a thing that's talked about and question about, you know, was that really not dinosaurs and was there dragons? But um just for me uh yes it's quite possible. I'm sure things like that might have existed in the past. But I do think a lot of times um it might be a kind of like an alchemical symbol or an oult symbol that actually supposed to be meaning something that's flying in the sky.
>> Yeah. No, I like that. I I am fully of the school that dragons are or dinosaurs are actually dragons.
>> Yeah. No, no. I've heard people say that and I believe it to me that makes most sense actually you know um and like I you know why I mean what would be the difference if like you know some of these I don't know like why is it not possible that we had birds that just didn't have feathers and had a little bit more of that I don't know whatever I just to me it's just I don't buy that we didn't have something crazy huge flying in the skies at some point >> and it completely goes to the idea even though Um, you know, it's getting into the speculative mythology of the mythopoetic understanding of like our past, but the idea of the flood taking out all of the different um the sons and daughters of the watchers, you know, so you get the fallen angels who mate with the daughters of man and the nephilim are born from this and in in doing so there's a bunch of different mythological creatures that are born in that time. That's that's that whole and he's in the mythoses right now or he's in this public spheres right now that Gary Wayne guy who I also think is a crank but he um himself is talking about gnomes and trolls and dragons you know and so that's when it gets into the spheres of the almost incomprehensible because it's like okay I think we're getting off topic here but at the same time >> you know it's bad like listen I'm whatever I had this guy on the show years ago and uh I tried to get into the occult and the guy just did not want to [ __ ] touch on.
>> No, cuz he's super Christian.
>> Yeah. Yeah. See, I didn't even know that, believe it or not, uh, back then.
But, you know, like I'm going to keep it real like like the way him and other people like look at the way like with this occultism, especially when it starts getting into that stuff.
Like, I'm going to keep it real. Like even like most woo woo people don't think the most absurd silly [ __ ] that these people come up with that are somehow representing the voice of us.
>> I completely agree.
>> Like what?
Like you have a big voice in the community and you just determine that that's what all of us think about this [ __ ] >> That's exactly it.
>> What the [ __ ] No, not me >> and not mostly anybody I know. Your stuff is garbage.
>> Oh yeah, it is. It is. Gary Wayne. It's crazy that he get such a big >> I just hate to say it. They actually make us look like [ __ ] idiots.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Because technically it's it's a myth.
>> What the [ __ ] they're talking about or they're being paid to say the opposite.
>> Yeah. The symbolism. It's like we forget about how important the symbolism on the psyche is. And to not add in Carl Young when we talk about this is a blasphemy because this his his understanding of the um mystical and mythical levels of the unconscious mind are so important because when we can understand that our psyche is the carrier of all like all the beauties in Aladdin's cave but also as Joseph Campbell says he calls it the ginabide and it's these these crazy creatures of the mind. Um, and that's where we get into the idea it's not all just psychological like it has real imple like implementations on our our actual lived perceived reality that when we understand the motifs of like the Aurora Boros of the snake eating its own tail or the dragon eating its own tail to understand what Merci Eliad was getting at in his um eternal recurrence this eternal movement of continually trying to understand that this life isn't this linear life that there's these circles that continue to come back in upon itself and our own consciousness can't see the back of its own head. It's so it's the Zen parables that are supposed to destroy the mental constructs that we've built these clip these clipas right these kipas um to be built and destroyed as our own understanding of reality is continually built and destroyed to help refine itself. And I think that's one of the many beauties of like this image is that exact >> that cyclical nature of our own reality.
And then you get, you know, you get you get retards out there like Gary Wayne talking >> like I had the wheels going in my head.
I was still stuck.
>> Yeah. No, I get it.
>> Like you're actually trying to teeter off into the image and I'm like still stuck on like this is just so absurd.
>> No, I love it. I know. That's a good >> You know what?
You know what I don't understand? It's like and I mean whatever. I'm probably knocking some people in the oult community, but like like first off, these people really, you know, this the way they're looking at these things, they're completely wrong. But like a lot of like of these other these [ __ ] Christians that some reason are determining what the [ __ ] the occult is.
Like if you want to look at things that they believe in, like they every [ __ ] crypted impossibility of some life falling from the [ __ ] skies, they all entertain and believe it. So like if you want to make fun of us for [ __ ] I mean for real there's such a small percentage are actually worshiping fairies and gnomes.
>> Yeah.
>> You know what I'm saying? Like >> Oh yeah.
>> Like like let's keep it real. There's like you're being leaving in the same stupid [ __ ] It's just got hair on it and it's in the woods.
>> That's hilarious.
>> You know what I'm saying? Like get over yourself. You believe in the same childish [ __ ] It's just handed to you differently. And you probably go out and spend more money [ __ ] looking for this [ __ ] than we ever would.
>> Oh yeah.
>> Like get over it, man.
>> Yeah. Is that like the >> silly [ __ ] It's just like realize the dumb [ __ ] they do and then they [ __ ] like I don't know.
>> Yeah. No, it's that hidden 411 stuff, right? The like going out and finding Sasquatch and all those strange like things that are interconnected.
>> Oh, man. This thing, that thing, everything's [ __ ] real. This and that. It's like, yo, you have like look at your belief system. You're not even a [ __ ] Christian, man.
>> Right.
>> Yeah. And I think >> about some demons more than we ever [ __ ] do.
>> No, of course. Well, I think then Yeah.
We're talking about the [ __ ] the nephilim the death squad themselves, the [ __ ] poofers, right? Because that's kind of a very similar thing where it's all like you want you you never really want to get in. Not you, but they like that mind. the con Christian conspiracy theorists are really tough because they take everything so literally you know so all of a sudden it's like everything becomes a literal interpretation and it's the exact talk about like why the profane shall not enter into the mysteries >> because they're going to read them in a literal way and then that's super damaging to their psyche which is then why a lot of these people go into Christianity so much and you get these questions >> it wasn't about that you want to take this [ __ ] in the literal way where are they making connections that aliens [ __ ] this and that and Nephilins and like where are you getting that from?
They're doing that themselves.
>> Yeah.
>> Tell me where there's some scripture that actually like says it. The [ __ ] aliens.
>> Well, yeah, there isn't. That's, you know, that's exactly >> No, tell me, you know, I just like, you know, tell me where it says it.
[ __ ] with big eyes and looks like a gray.
They're >> like, yeah, but says it with this connection themselves.
>> There's no [ __ ] scripture for that [ __ ] Yeah.
>> They twist their scripture to make up the stupidest [ __ ] >> Oh, yeah. It's the CIA. I That's what I think. I think that's where you get the three-lettered agencies intervening and pushing all kinds of different uh falsities into it to muddy the waters. I think that's like a major scop. And then people take it for real.
>> They twist their [ __ ] to [ __ ] on us and then they'll twist their [ __ ] to invent cryptids in the Bible. It's like, yo, what the [ __ ] is wrong with you?
>> That's hilarious. You're [ __ ] on your own book way more than any oultist would. It's disgusting.
>> Oh yeah. Especially because we take the Bible as being a sacred like grimmooire.
>> [ __ ] yeah, man.
>> Oh yeah.
>> That's what bothers me I think the most is that they're actually [ __ ] all over their own [ __ ] religion acting the way they are.
>> Oh yeah.
>> It's disgusting.
>> They don't know where the [ __ ] they came from at all.
>> Yeah. No, I agree.
>> Whatever. But believe it or not, I actually do have a, you know, I'm sure my old listeners would realize, but I actually do have a love for Catholicism and Christianity as long as what as weird as that sounds coming out of an occultist mouth because a lot of people don't or at least can, you know, uh, attribute Catholicism, you know, they can see an easy connection there. But >> yeah, >> you do think there is actually like a lot of [ __ ] in that [ __ ] book, man.
>> Oh yeah, I completely agree. I think it's one of the greatest magical toms there are when read esoterically. For sure.
>> I mean, and that's the point. I think that's one of the main points of then being able to understand the Cabala and the and and how to read it through the magical lens is going to elucidate a lot of the truths that are availed. It's like it's it's it's um unconcealedness.
Truth is unveiled to th those who can see and read between the lines.
>> All right, I had enough for ranting out of me, but >> it's beautiful rant.
>> It's beautiful rand love when I do a show with you.
>> Good.
>> But yeah, even this uh I'm pretty sure we even mentioned it somehow. Maybe we didn't. You know, I again I could even see this almost being very murial to an extent.
Um, could even kind of go back to like the shifting movement of Mercury's mercury. Um, I don't know, you know, even because of how I think of like the cadus, even though they're not, you know, it's not eating itself, there's still some sort of like reptile lizard involved in that type thing. So, I'm just wondering, but yeah, that's the uh, you know, oros.
>> Well, that and the dragon is the one who in, you know, in like Lord of Lord of the Rings. Um, and the hobbit. The dragon is one who hides the the treasure.
>> Gold is that doesn't he also sleep on gold, too?
>> Yep. Oh, yeah.
>> I think that's alchemical.
>> Oh, yeah.
>> Oh, yeah.
>> Even in uh I was going to say uh Oh, what the [ __ ] was that? Game of Thrones.
>> Yep. I even do think uh and I think in that that show regardless I probably could have left the movie out or that show out and gotten to the point sometimes they do look at either a dragon or a seahorse being I think the hippocampus or I could be wrong could be the corpus colossum. It's one part of the brain which they will sometimes also call I think the reptilian to an extent maybe I could be [ __ ] that up but there is part of the brain well they will sometimes attribute it to a seahorse shape and I've seen people say dragons as well or dragons or some sort of lizard thing. Um there is like I did wonder if even like sometimes that dragon or the reptile can even be something talking about parts of your brain. I mean that might be going a little bit too deep but you know for this back then but I don't know you know because a lot of these alchemists were even drawing like eyeballs brains and the nervous system and some of their [ __ ] so who knows.
>> Oh yeah >> but uh yeah no I've just wondered about that too.
Um >> well it's beautiful. Well, I mean the serpent as it rises up the spinal column to unite with the hyper, you know, the hypothalammus and the pituitary and the pineal gland to um basically give birth to higher mind. I, you know, is definitely the dragon guards the >> the gold, the alchemical gold that the alchemist is trying to, you know, merge lead with lead burn the lead away into the almighty gold.
>> Oh yeah. The reason I brought up the brought up Game of Thrones, just so I make like some sort of context back to that so it doesn't just seem weird that I brought it up. Yeah, I think it was the Targaryenss. They had the dragon. It It was in the second uh the second thing that came out, not the original.
>> The House of the Dragons, right?
>> Yeah. Sorry. I think the Targaryenss had a dragon on their thing and then they were very close with like this ship crew. this this other people that I think I think they were black with white hair and um they were kind of like very much of the sea like they were like always like out in the waters and their banner was a seahorse.
>> Oh, interesting. So, I just thought it was very interesting how you have the seahorse and the dragon can both be associated with the brain in a sense and then you have one group that is particularly white with white hair and then these group of people are like black with white hair. It just was just like what's going on? Like is this like some type of symbolism?
>> Yeah. Oh, definitely. Yeah. It's tough though because it depends on how much George R. Martin has written out for them to take for that symbolism.
>> Yeah. Like Oh, yeah. Could that even have been done like by the people who did the show and not so much him?
>> Yeah.
>> Who knows? Could have been just all coincidence possibly, too. Who knows?
>> All right. You want to go on to another one?
>> Let's do it.
>> All right. We'll go on to emblem I think 21.
Make sure I got that.
That is squaring the circle.
>> Oh yeah.
>> No matter what. Make of the man and woman a circle of that a quadrangle of this a triangle of the same a circle and you will have the stone of the philosophers.
This is supposed to be like one of his most famous one if not famous one in the book. I'm going to see if uh I can find that other thing you sent me.
Yeah, this is a beautiful one. This is, you know, it's in every manly pe hall.
So, this one um talks about how Plato, the the most excellent philosopher was of the opinion that the notions or ideas which are the foundations of arts and sciences are as it were actually engraved and imprinted upon the minds of man, and that by the repetition and the re remembrance of them, he can apprehend and know all manner of learning. to prove that he introduced a young lad rude and uninstructed and and alikeened to him such geometrical questions that the youth might be perceived to answer right where there he will or know although before he understood nothing to the matter yet by their answered seems to have penetrated into the adepts of the absolute science from whence he concluded that in children all discipline and doctrine is not yet first taken in and learned but called to mind and brought by the memory alluding by this to his master Magnus or great year of which he lays that 48,000 solar years ago before the revolution of the heavens and the same persons infringed in action wherein then being which are the present time whosoever that but every person may perceive that their things have no more foundations of truth in them than mere dreams. We do not deny that there are forms, sparks of notions and more powers imprinted in us which must be reduced in act by intuitions but utterly deny that they are such or so great as to be the summaries of arts and sciences without any precedent instruction.
It's beautiful.
>> You know you get the man and the woman unified in the geometrical figures of squaring the circle and the triangle and the great circle of good. That's the Platonic understanding as they're drawn the great 90 degrees with the compass as the magician squares the circle and ascends into the highest spheres of the good, the platonic forms, the great ideas of all sciences and man. And so inscribed upon the mind, you know, it's um as as we're trying to have the great anamnesis, the great platonic remembering into uh the divine mind of God.
Yeah, it's a man and woman in the middle.
>> Yeah, it's beautiful. And the the man and woman being merged from the demiurge, you know, as the demiurge creates the great man um which is the uh >> Oh, yeah. Right. He could be kind of the demiurge in a sense >> for sure. The great craftsman instilling all the great forms into the minds of man. That's exactly what's going on.
Exactly. As the metaphor is trying to be deemed.
>> Yeah. For people who uh just again for people who are listening it uh the image is showing a man and a woman stand together inside a geometric construction. Around them appear a circle, a square, a triangle and an outer circle. And then like we were just talking about here there's a figure outside the construction that is using a compass you know kind of like suggesting the process is being measured and contemplated deliberately produced through art.
>> Mhm. And that's where then yeah exa exactly the um that's you know with the two people uh the that's where the idea of the hermaphroditic character comes from of the soul of man that we are split upon being entered into the material forms and upon being split we pine for there the other existence which is the our like the opposing force the man and the woman then unite to create the great uh continuation of the higher Adam Cadammon.
>> I I didn't read that from anything that's off the top of the dome. Straight from [ __ ] the dome.
>> Nice. Nice.
>> Um I do have this stuff. You know, again, this is due to other people's interpretation, but uh you know, they say the poem the poem instructs the reader to unite the male and female into one circular form. The unity must then pass through the square in the triangle before returning to the circle. The movement is uh therefore not simply two become one. It is two become one, one becomes four, four become three and three return to one. The epig supposed to present the philosopher stone as a reconciliation of number, geometry, body, spirit and elemental transformation.
>> Yeah. Because you are becoming the philosopher stone. That's what this is like. This is the great work, the great arcanum. That is what we all as strive to upon the path of the magician is exactly what's being represented in this great image. Some some image that we've seen. We've all seen it. And the beauty upon it is when you look at it, you you are going upon a meditation. As you see there on the piece of paper, he's got, you know, it looks like either a circle, but it's that actually deems to be a docahedron.
um the the cube and the pentagram right there. One of the greatest or the the hexog, one of the greatest of all of all images. Um as the hexog is, you know, the six as we are but the five um and we are standing in between as we move forth up the tree of life, you know, um one of the golden dawns initiations into the higher degrees.
>> You mentioned something about Plato before, right? I think maybe >> it does say supposedly in his discourse, Mari begins with Plato's theory that knowledge may already be engraved within the soul and recovered through recollection.
>> Yep. And that's an amnesis.
>> Yeah, >> that is rec that is the recollection.
>> Yeah. He discusses the famous example in which an uneducated boy is guided through geometric reasoning. Plato used this to argue that learning is a form of remembering.
>> Yep.
Meyer does not completely accept this.
He argues that human beings may possess hidden sparks or capacities, but those sparks require instruction, labor, experience, and cultivation.
Knowledge does not become operative without work.
>> Well, yeah. No, for sure. And yeah, I think that's exactly what Plato would say as well is it's through work these things. So the remembering isn't just a a a one direct spark but through the initiation process of going through the alchemical um transfiguration and that is the that is the great work itself.
>> Some people look at the circle around them as uh kind of the most simple body without angles. Then it goes into the square which some people might think goes to the four elements earth, water, air, fire.
And then uh you know the square then is reduced to a triangle possibly representing body, spirit and soul.
>> Yeah. But uh no that's beautiful you know and I think these are things again as we talked about in the beginning before we looking at these these things are really important because these are these are as he said in this image itself things that are put within our own mind like the they are to be truly meditated upon to understand the secrets that are being told to us. This is sacred geometry at its finest.
Yeah.
Yeah. I've seen this used so many times that when I saw this in his book originally years ago, I was like, "Holy shit." I was like, "Yo, that's where this came from."
>> I even noticed that with a lot of Robert Flood [ __ ] >> Yep.
>> I was like, "Yo, a lot of Masons have reused like old ones have reused a lot of his images." No, I'm not, you know, trying to point the finger or whatever. Just saying like, you know.
>> Oh, for sure. You know, you know, it was interesting. It was funny before how you and I had no problem saying it. I don't even think like Ronnie Pontiac would disagree that uh probably, you know, uh Manley Ph.
Hall wasn't a Rosianism thought or idea, you know, whatever. And remember one time uh Jules was on the show, I can't remember who it was, and he implied that Manley Ph. Hall might have been a Rosian or into Rosacrusianism.
>> Oh, for sure. Oh, yeah.
>> Or Rosacruian. And like the person like who was the guest was like well where did you read that? When did he ever actually come out and say that? And he's like well he's like well I think he was into it. He kind you know pointing out the influences which was you know exactly the kid's right. Jules was right.
>> And then the person was like oh well yeah I can see the influence but he never came out and said he was one. I was like holy [ __ ] Jesus Christ.
>> That's hilarious. Well it's Yeah. Yeah.
>> I just think you know I think you know what he was getting at that he was highly influenced by the [ __ ] Come on.
>> Oh yeah. Well, and he doesn't have to say it. He's basically said it in all his work, his influence. I mean, let's get it straight. Even in um what we're coming to learn with the new work that's coming out in what is it light extension that the Golden Dawn people are coming out with, they're coming to understand that maybe you know the cipher manuscripts themselves. Who knows um where they came from, but a lot of people state that it's a Rosacrusian order. Um so one of the theories is that it comes from the um [ __ ] what's his McKenzie Kenneth McKenzie who was part of the SRIA the Rosacrusian order giving in you know and so who who the [ __ ] knows but it looks like a lot of this stuff is coming through the Rosacrusian orders at that same time. So of course Manley P Hall would be using you know in his the adups the books that he came out with a lot of it states how that you know the one of the holders of the secret keys were the Rosacrushians.
>> So yeah it's like why why push back against things like that?
>> No no yeah I just definitely think uh yeah definitely think he was highly uh interested in that stuff. Well, highly educated and you had to have been because the Rosacrushians were also, you know, holders of the secret keys through time.
>> There's, you know, that's even like a thing, too, where it's like uh like I know in the Otto there's like a certain it's like I don't know if it's necessarily like something you get from an initiation, if it's like these other things that you can addons before you whatever. Um, I'm pretty sure like they acknowledge like some sort of form of like Racusianism and I'm pretty sure like if you just start looking like at maybe certain degrees in other secret societies, you're going to find Rosaian something in there probably.
>> Oh yeah.
>> At least in in an order to where you know that like there is like actually people involved in that that society that do study that are interested in that idea.
>> Oh yeah. I mean, the inner order of the golden dawn is say a crusia, >> but I think like if it's going to even be listed as like something within your degree system, like that's showing me right there.
>> You're continuing that thought.
>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. I completely agree >> because it's theore itself. It's the agregor itself that you're tapping into of whatever this roseacron was trying to teach. The rose and the cross sits within the Golden Dawn's emblem to be unveiled as um an like an extenduation of you know the tarot symbolism the 22 paths the 32 wisdoms right of the 22 path and the 10 sephra as it unfolds within the Hebrew structures of all the letters that's that is the rose and the the rose petals mean that in the rosy cross symbol that the golden dawn uses.
So it's like that's why you learn the symbolism and then integrate it into your life so you it can change you so you can transform and then you can read a lot of these texts and understand them symbolically.
>> I really love this image though. So >> it's beautiful. No, it's beautiful and it it does hold all the keys. It's like what are we doing? We're making ourselves into a philosopher stone.
That's what we learn in Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood. For all you [ __ ] anime nerds out there, Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood is how is about changing yourself into a philosopher stone. The boys Edward Elrich is a you know, and what's fascinating about this, Nick, I'm actually going to I've been holding on to this video that I've been trying to edit for the last like few months, and it's Robert Flood's tree of life image.
And that image is >> awesome, dude. It's the exact image that is used in Full Metal Alchemist um that um Edward Eller has as his tree that when he goes and witnesses truth that is his door of truth and it opens and it basically um he goes through this experience where he has to sacrifice a limb because of he tried to do an unforgivable taboo of bringing his mom back to life. And so the whole story has that structure. They use um the writer, this um female writer uses Robert Flood's image of the tree as and she uses multiple different images from Robert Flood throughout the whole story which is beautiful.
>> That is wild.
>> Yeah. And it's Yeah, that's the idea.
>> Two of his images. I've uh had it applied to like uh I've used it to like influence or be like a involved in images that I've done for the cult rejects before.
>> Nice. Yeah. And yeah, >> this shit's pretty awesome, man. His some of his uh engravings.
>> Oh, yeah. I mean, this is a great engraving. I mean, it's beautiful. It should And again, it's to be used as a meditation technique >> and try to unveil it secrets.
>> This was done by Methaus Marion.
>> It's like M- A T H A U S I think. And then Marian.
>> M E R I A N.
Yeah, that was the one who did the engravings for this and I think a couple of them.
>> That's cool.
>> Yeah, I noticed it on the furnace and fugue site a couple of minutes ago. I got one more. You want to do one more and then we'll wrap it up? Are you good?
>> Beautiful. Yeah, let's do it.
>> All right, let's go. Last one >> for a second there. I was slightly over I've got these new knickknacks and that what they are is it's like healthy versions of nicotine losenes.
>> Oh [ __ ] >> And I may have overindulged in one for a second. And I was like, "Holy shit." And I was drinking coffee at the same time.
I was like, "Here we go."
>> Oh, yeah. There's been times when I've tried to use uh Yeah. use the gum or whatever on some sort of like Yeah. Like even the pouch [ __ ] um instead of smoking. This is a long time in the past. Yeah. Sometimes I feel like those will actually have hit me with more nicotine faster to where it's like you almost actually feel like you're >> floating.
>> Yeah. Like you you almost get like a [ __ ] like Yeah. Like a different type of buzz to where it's >> Yeah. crazy. And I only do it >> smoke three cigarettes.
>> I And I only do it for the neutropic effects. So I don't even smoke cigarettes. And so I was just like, I'm a little tired. I'm going to put this in. And all of a sudden, I was like, oh, I shouldn't have merged that with [ __ ] caffeine.
Oh yeah, right.
>> Beautiful one.
>> The dragon and the woman. Uh the English motto, the dragon kills the woman and she kills him. Together they are drenched in blood.
Together they are drenched in blood.
This and this is actually the 50th. This is the last one.
See even [ __ ] like this like those things like symbolic is this.
>> So that's beautiful. So, what do we got here?
>> And then again, like it like even if uh like how I was kind of getting at before and I meant to meant to even make a tie to it. Um let's you know, there's only so many of these books left too. Same thing with the the other guy, Kumra. Um so, I couldn't even I think his has more detail than these to an extent in some ways, but if there is almost some ninth gate type [ __ ] here too, >> right? Yeah. Nice.
>> There's even some of this [ __ ] some of some detail like even over here like with these windows or these openings be different on another one, >> right?
>> Not correct.
>> So what it says I think so one of the translations of the words let's see here.
>> Yeah. I was still scrolling in that book to try to get to the last one I probably >> Yeah. Yeah. But the but it's still not Yeah. They still don't have the translation for it. So I I threw it into a translator. says, one of them says, "Dig a deep tomb for the venomous dragon and bind a woman closely to him there.
While he tastes the pleasures of the marriage bed, she dies and with her the dragon is buried in the earth. His body is then surrendered to death and steeped in blood. This is the pathway of your work."
The other translation is a more normalized Latin and it reads, "Let a deep grave be dug for the venomous dragon and let a woman be firmly bound to him in her embrace. While he enjoys the pleasure of the marriage bed, she dies and with her the dragon is covered beneath the earth. From this the body is given over to the death and stained with blood, the true path of the work.
So, I mean that's super symbolic when it comes to the ideas of um the marriage, the wedding bed, the um the divine marriage, the dying to be reborn, the dragon seeding itself back into the earth and the womb after all of this dragon's been doing all kinds of other [ __ ] The seabed next to it. He's in like a like a [ __ ] rectangle. Um like a tomb.
And it says uh >> very interesting.
>> Yeah.
>> On this image just now.
>> The mansion of dragons is in caverns of the earth but of men upon the earth in the immediate air which two elements are contrary and yet are appointed by the philosopher to be joined together. It's like look how important the philosopher is. This is why I keep talking about the philosopher because the ancient philosopher is a combination of things.
You know the philosopher, king, warrior, magician, priest. It's more than just the analytic philosophers or the philosopher of our day and age. And so I think it's something important to understand like what is it? Why do they say call it the philosopher stone, right? The philosophia, the this love of wisdom. Why is it in a stone? So it continues to go uh that one may act upon the other but by the woman others understand the eagle as basil in sec in the second key for it is not convenient says he for an eagle to place her net upon the alps because her young ones would die by the coldness of the snow upon the tops of the mountains. But if you add to the eagle a cold dragon that that hath a long time had his habitation in the rocks and has crept out of the caverns of the earth and put them both into the infernal cell, then will Pluto blow and by his by his la last draws a fiery volatile spirit from the cold dragon. It's beautiful. M >> it says, "The eagle therefore and the woman as like is like wife, the dragon with almost all the several of the whole art as understood by their precepts, which by opening the bosom of nature, we have perhaps so far explained and declared by the sons of learning that to glory might be given to God." Amen.
Yeah. the the infernal beast, the Leviathan, as it like fully consumes the man so the man can transcend its lowest desires to be risen up into the highest spheres of God.
So hard. It's like a daily walk. That's why we that's why it's next to the infernal waters. Um is because of it's like continually chaos stems into the mind to take over the order and those lower desires will can take you over like demons being poss like you're possessed by demons. It's a real like this is as much as it like it's symbolic because you you go through it psychologically through your actual life. You know what I mean?
>> I do like how Tara just said it kind of looks like the pharmacy a medical thingy.
>> That's beautiful.
>> It does almost kind of look like a Yeah.
Right.
Which one is it? Uh theius is the is the one with just the one snake on it.
Right.
>> Yeah. The Yeah.
Well, the because the kaducius has both.
Essipiuses has I think just the one.
Yeah. Crawling up the Yeah.
>> Yeah.
One thing I did want to say about this image and like you know this this could totally be a [ __ ] grasp, but um I only like just really noticed it now because of how I have tried to depict certain things on imagery my own [ __ ] >> Uh there has been times in the past where I will uh depict a woman Um, sometimes like almost kind of look like she might be doing a ballerina pose or is standing there and has like one leg kind of bent like almost almost very much like I guess if a person was standing doing the hanged man instead of hanging you know the way his legs bent almost like a ballerina pose. Uh I would I would have like a chick kind of um do that and that was to represent um showing that she can actually bend you know that her leg that she can change form >> and sometimes in the past I have tried to do it uh it was a little hard to do with chatbt because it seemed to be very like strict believe it or not with uh >> oh yeah it is >> certain guidelines with even images and like I'm asking this thing like I'm not even saying this lady to be half naked I'm asking her to be in like I forgot even what like Renaissance style dress some [ __ ] dress with this woman's clothes but I wanted to use a pole to where it was almost like doing ballerina like pole dancing but she was like kind of wrapped around the pole and I wanted to use the pole as like I've kind of shown this in the past a few times but it was hard to pull it off because it kept on telling me I was sexualizing it.
I was like Jesus Christ I was like no not really. I'm like, "This lady dress like how am I like what?"
>> You know, like I'm not showing any skin.
What the hell are you talking about?
>> But because I guess I'm throwing the pole in there, it screws it all up. But I have wanted to show that as kind of as the hyoid canal and that the female uh that it can bend and when it does bend, it looks like an S in the back of your eye. So I've always tried to use her as an image like that. A lot of times I've used Aphrodite because Apeticles had said at one point that uh there's like a flame that dances like Aphrodite in the back of your eye.
>> If you were to look at how your hyoid canal contracts when your pupil opens and closes, it would bend or go back to straight. So I mean if you did a bunch of, you know, would look like something flickering maybe. I don't know.
>> Yeah. Well, like I do use uh that image myself to try to represent the part of the you know the eyeball the pupil actually changing you know how much light it's taking in or whatever and uh you know that at the bottom of your eye like after you get the hyoid canal and where she's kind of um then you have like the ora on the lens underneath that then would be uh the ocuous humor and then before that would be your cornea And then you're outside your eyeball.
Um, and the cornea when you start looking at it underneath a microscope looks just like brick or sand.
>> Interesting.
>> And so like for me like what I'm I'm, you know, I could be totally wrong, right? Like I'm kind of seeing like for me I would even say I would use this for an imagery for the eyeball because I'm showing that something that you know might be looked at as can't change and is in stone can actually be broken or changed and the [ __ ] can bend. And then there's the ocuous humor which is the water around underneath her or in that bottom part of her eye. And then there's the cornea which is the bricks which is all the you know the bricks around it as well. That could be completely off, but that's how I >> That's fascinating.
That's crazy. That's a That's a cra I like that. I like that because if you know this is a another way to view vision and how to have a higher vision and then the eye is a great way to depict that >> this these things back here >> corneas even that just like it's not even like arcs you know like your light starts kind of going in and coming flipping out with like angles like that and [ __ ] >> Yeah. Right. And then underneath it it looks like little caverns or whatever it is that's leading into caves, whatever.
Yeah. What? What are those?
It's beautiful though.
Yeah. One time I had showed how uh Fox in the old eyeball series how when they used to like show those those light things on the side and they would make like those they go up into the air around the Fox uh logo.
And a long time ago at one point like they always did like they've changed actually what they do but at one point like they I think they were set up to where if you looked at the way that they were shining and crossing and then went and looked at like how light reflects off your eyeball lens. It was like literally like showing it opened and closed. They were literally showing you exact side the way reflect open and the way the light reflects closed.
>> Like it was legit. Like I even took the picture of how the lights went and crossed and then how it's like done.
Like if you were to like look at it online and they show you how the it's the same exact thing. I was like that's [ __ ] weird.
>> That's cool.
>> Maybe by accident. But still I mean who knows? I mean again knows this is something a big company that is captivating your eyes.
>> Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Definitely. And they're putting subliminal imprints onto all of the stuff to entrain you more and more every time.
Oh, I don't you know what? I don't even I'm sure we probably mentioned it, but uh I don't even know if I even said to the people like what the image even shows. It's a woman in a in a dragon engaged in mortal combat. I guess that's what it says. Neither emerg as a simple victor, but it's like showing like a like a statue. Would you almost consider that kind of like a statue of a woman almost?
>> I think it's an actual woman >> or it's a real person. Okay. Yeah, that's a real woman being engulfed by a dragon snake by a by a serpent figure as she's laying in like a coffin with a scenery of old temples and a water and she's on like the the a waterway, you know. Uh, and was there something even like a uh maybe there wasn't. I don't know. For some reason, I was thinking there was something even mentioned about an eagle, even though there isn't one in here.
>> There was something mentioned about an eagle, but yeah, there's no I don't I don't understand that either >> because then trying to make if you put an the bird in there, you would have um that's why like when I represented my imagery, when I try to do the one eye and the other eye, it's actually putting you in fight and flight mode at the same time.
>> Oh, interesting. That's cool.
>> So that's even sometimes where I wonder if you get that with Horus.
You know, he actually was a fighter though. He was a warrior and he flew.
>> Yeah.
>> So you went fight and flight mode at the same time.
>> It's true. And the two different horses, right? The crown of conquering child, the warrior Horus and the Horal Crates himself who was the different the second horse or the different differentiation of Horus.
>> Yeah.
I'm wondering about [ __ ] like that.
>> Yeah.
>> Uh yeah, pretty interesting one. That's the last one. And I do wonder like uh I mean maybe it would help if we if I would have went shown more or if I showed like the last one like if we did a couple episodes of this and showed the last one after a little bit more.
>> Um would we think that this deserves to be the last one? Like is this actually the ending image or not?
>> Oh, right. Right. I do wonder about that. Out of all 50, is this really supposed to be the ending or is this still >> or is this part of a [ __ ] >> part of the Yeah. Part of like story?
You have no idea.
>> Yeah. To re reassess and reassociate based upon your own knowledge and initiation level.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Like is there even like another is there another part of the story that still comes after this? Maybe even showing you like you know the after.
>> Yeah. Nice.
>> Who knows? But yeah, very interesting images. very interesting idea I think with Michael Myers or Michael Myer, however you want to say his name.
>> Yeah, it's beautiful.
>> 10,000 whatever street.
>> Yeah, I've covered that show actually the beginning. I thought it was like actually showing you cobalistic [ __ ] >> Interesting. Really?
>> Yeah. Yeah, I've done that. I've done I've done a cult symbolism. This was years ago with Halloween and uh Elm Street.
>> Oh, Elm Street. Nightmare on Elm Street is brilliant. Especially >> especially with the movies chasing them [ __ ] man.
>> Yeah. Dream. Yeah. Right.
>> You know, it's like a the [ __ ] same thing basically with uh with Ghostbusters with the beast and the [ __ ] chick.
>> Oh, yeah. I'm the gatekeeper.
>> Yo, you know, you know, and even admits, you could find an interview of him when he admits that that movie was supposed to be almost totally a cult.
>> Oh, yeah. But they had to numb it down.
And it was from beginning to end, nonstop action that they told him, first off, they told him he had to do the movie with that other guy. I forgot the guy's other he pitched it to him all alone.
>> Yeah.
>> He said, "We'll do it if you cut out like some of this action because it's going to be way too expensive and you got to include this guy in it." And it was just like, "All right, I guess."
>> But it was supposed to be way more cult and a lot more action, believe it or not.
>> Oh, that's cool. I Yeah. I mean those those two Ghostbusters the first and second one basically like are partially things that formulated my sense of humor like Bill Murray and Dan like the jokes in that it's like brilliant.
>> Oh dude I grew up kind of like on a lot of those comedians.
>> Yeah.
>> Bill Murray. Uh Dan Akroy Chase. A little bit of Steve Martin. Uh >> John Candy. No. No. Who's who's the Uncle Buck? Who played Uncle Buck again?
Oh, is it John Candy?
>> Yeah, maybe it was him. Yeah.
>> Yeah, I think it's John Candy. Yeah, Chris Farley and those characters. Oh, yeah.
>> True comedy.
>> I grew up a lot of that. Like a lot of that old [ __ ] >> And like Dan Erid is one of the highest I mean he owned a magical bookstore.
>> You know, he was deeply integrated into the oult magical bookstore in New York.
Um he yeah he's yeah I mean those movies if you know key master and gatekeeper pretty you know you you know and then what is it uh when they formulate don't think anything right don't think anything and all of a sudden you you see it and you're all like what' you do Bill Murray looks at him what looks at Dan what' you do and he's like I couldn't help it I just you told me to clear my thoughts and the first thing all I could think of was stay puffed marshmallow man you didn't and his volcano says stay you know your intention and imagination. And Dan Akroyd at that moment lacked the willpower to clear his mind. And then the demon took his intention and made the massive demon that they had to had to beat. And what did they do at the end to defeat it? They crossed the streams.
>> Don't cross the streams. What What did they cross the streams into? Into the portal >> that the demon came out of and then they destroyed it. And the stream crossing looks like the kaduciius snakes as it rides up into the portal. Um, and then they they beat the Staypuff Marshmallow Man on this top of the Empire State Building. It's [ __ ] brilliant.
>> Yeah, it's just wild. If you go back and look at it, like it's like holy [ __ ] It's my opinion. There's a lot of oult symbolism in that movie.
>> So much so much. It's It's beautiful.
>> Be cover one day. That'd be fun actually.
>> Yeah, that'd be a great video.
>> What's such with that? Like you can't even do it on YouTube. Like you or you'd have to like cover it without showing it. You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, I found that with um why I've stopped doing video essays currently was because I got so pissed off on my last two video essays that I put up. Then YouTube [ __ ] me on them and it was all like, "Oh yeah, you can't put that up."
And I'm all like, I just spent [ __ ] 15 hours editing that goddamn video and now I can't even use it. Okay. And so that's why I'm care less if it wasn't even like, "Oh, you just can't be monetized." A lot of times, you can't put this up.
>> Yeah.
>> I don't give a [ __ ] if you can't put commercials in. I just still want to do it.
>> Yeah. That's what I'm saying. And like >> won't even allow you.
>> It won't even let you. And I'm like, well, what the [ __ ] Just why? Because >> that's actually promoting the [ __ ] movie at any >> That's exactly it. And because some AI captures it and it's all like, oh, they you can't do that now. I'm like, okay, that's [ __ ] >> Yo, I got a strike and almost lost the channel. It was close because it I think I eventually might have lost that channel. Maybe not.
>> No, I think I did. Uh there was I had call Crusher and like we were showing stuff from his YouTube channel to like show the fans and stuff topics that he was covering and I got smacked with like some copyright a copyright strike. Actually, it wasn't even just like oh you straight >> you can't monetize it. They actually slapped me with a strike.
>> I remember even hitting him up. I was like, "Yo, I got hit for you showing your [ __ ] on my channel." I was like, "Is there anything you can do about that?" Like, >> yeah, that's awful.
>> It's [ __ ] wild, dude. I was like, "What the fuck?"
>> Yeah. Censorship is every dude is literally on my show in the video. Like, it's the same person.
>> Yep.
>> What's the problem here?
>> The problem is AI. The problem is AI and the PC police going around. Censorship police all over the place.
silly stuff. But yeah, that was uh that was five of uh 50 of Myers's emblems.
Pretty interesting book. Again, I do think uh you know, and again, I wonder how much uh how much, you know, psychology and [ __ ] is going on the practitioner as well.
>> Oh yeah.
>> You know, how much are you doing to yourself?
>> I I think that's the whole point. I think that's the whole point is that >> I think a lot like even Bruno like going back to like it was this Brunoesque type of where you stayed at it and actually >> Yep.
>> did something you know does the music does the music tap into something as well? Who knows?
>> Yeah, definitely >> played correctly.
>> Who knows what's up with the notes?
>> Could could I mean there has been ciphers that have been done with notes.
>> Oh yeah. I forgot the name of it, but I mean I don't know if that's happening there, but I mean, who knows?
>> Well, I definitely think so. I mean, you think about the contemporary stuff to just go bring it back to Tulle. It's like when you're watching um parabola into or parable into parabola and Alex Gay's work that he does in there, you're watching an alchemical process go through and the music is all syncopated and and written in with sacred geometry with the Pythagorean theorems. The harmony of the spheres is within the music and as you go through it, it is unlocking like keys to doors your vision if you have the the prepared temple space to be able to uh read the the cues so to speak as they say.
>> Yeah. The reason I say that is I I think Brandon could even say back then the way again like I mentioned at the beginning the way they looked at [ __ ] they didn't separate all that stuff like you know.
>> No, it was integrated. Yeah, it was all integrated. So you even have to wonder how much, you know, the integrating the the notes with numbers.
>> Yep. Oh yeah, >> I do. I do. I do. And I think that's what like Schubar, Beethoven, that's what the classical composers gear.
>> I wondered about some of this [ __ ] I was like, yo, how do we know that isn't like some just ciphered [ __ ] that was like, yo, this sounds sick.
>> Mozart. Oh, they Yeah, Mozart. These these people were masons and rosacrruian and I think they were all hidden or temple you know initiates not all of them but a large portion of them and they what is the um niche's or vagner vagner's parcel is the alchemical journey and you're going through that opera you're you're watching and participating in ritual and so I think >> a lot of classical composers were [ __ ] >> yep >> in in the no whatever >> they're in the know oh yeah >> yeah they were they had an experience.
They're illuminated.
>> Oh yeah.
>> Bring it back. Let's go.
>> Dude, I'm hoping we're getting there, baby.
>> Yeah, we're getting there. One video at a time. One one awakening at a time. I think it is, you know, and I think the Black Iron Prison, as Philip K. says is these things like you know it can be seen represented through Palunteer and Oracle and this you know the the censorship that we do to ourselves is um that anti-life force that's trying to fight against what is it the arammonic spirit trying to fight against the the sacred and the divine that's trying to help illuminate the world I agree Beautiful.
[ __ ] crushed.
>> I definitely think within I think within our lifetime we're going to see a huge change.
>> I do too.
>> Especially when it comes to even science and the occult.
>> Yeah. Oh yeah.
>> A lot different understanding.
>> I I do. And that's what Mark Booth is getting at with his um Secret History of the Universe, which um is actually showing how all of Einstein and Plunk and Penrose and um Boore and all these characters, they were alchemists and magicians and sorcerers while well while while you know they made the atomic bomb. They split the atom. Talk about an alchemical process. And as he does so he you know as as he as Heisenberg splits the atom you know he quotes the maha brata I am but become a destroyer of worlds. I mean it's [ __ ] more of existential and alchemical than that.
>> Oh even splitting the atom. Well you know how you want to look at it. I mean you are destroying the world maybe. Oh, completely splitting the atom isn't you're creating you're tap you're going back into what the arc of the covenant represents is this this god force that is destroy is a destroying creating force in you know the prometheian fire on [ __ ] like on steroids >> you can really look at that some deep [ __ ] for sure >> oh yeah oh yeah Mark and just so everyone goes out knows if you haven't go check out my Mark Booth um interview because he goes deep into that and in his book Secret History of the universe.
It's fantastic. He he each chapter is going through a certain scientist in the last hundred or so years, if not farther back, a few hundred years. Um, and he talking he's talking about this is what they were doing in their like their science and their physics and things, but then this was what it was coming from and stemming from from the alchemical esoteric side of things. So, that's why that's why it's a such a great book.
>> Yeah.
All right. Well, I think we can wrap this up, man.
>> Yeah, let's talk.
>> You know, that's actually one guest, too, that you were saying that that guy, it's a guest that actually was like, "Yo, I got to ask Magus to get get in contact with that dude."
>> Oh, yeah.
>> I wanted to bite him off you if you didn't mind.
>> No, please. Yeah, I I'll reach out to him um and say we should he should come on the Rejects and promote his book.
>> Yeah, for sure. That book changed my life. The Secret History of the World is one of one of the most life-changing books I've ever I've ever read.
>> Yeah, >> that's great stuff. Yo, thank you for coming on. Uh, we were actually supposed to have a guest on tonight, but guy couldn't make it.
>> So, I was like, "Oh, [ __ ] it." I asked Brandon. Uh, Judith was gonna try to make it, too. But, >> uh, we changed the time to a little bit later, and she was like, "Yeah, she really couldn't do it." Plus, out in New York, they're supposedly dealing slammed with this Canadian smoke.
>> It was bad.
>> And she says like it's got her like [ __ ] up.
>> Oh, yeah. And it was bad where I'm from too in the upper Midwest for a while there. It's not as bad as it is in New York, but it was [ __ ] awful. It's the dystopic nature. And I think that they're destroying um that that on purpose so they can mine lithium and sell it off. That's my conspiracy fact.
>> Direct energy weapons are real and Pete Hegath come has come out and said so.
>> Um and they've been trying to gaslight us and saying that they're not real for years.
And then it just came out a few weeks ago. Oh yeah, direct energy weapons.
We're buying up um them by the buttloads for our military-industrial complex. No reason. We don't use them domestically.
Whatever.
>> Yeah. I remember someone covering that or showing that. They're like, "Yo, you just admitted that we have direct energy weapons."
>> Yeah.
>> I was like, "Look at that. We better get our blue houses."
>> That's exactly it. Yeah. That's exactly Oprah's doing it.
>> Got to get the blue roof.
>> That's hilarious. It's so funny. Isn't it so funny?
>> All this [ __ ] We are in the age of disclosure and it's just not coming the way we think. And then with so much information it just back to the [ __ ] memory hole. There it goes. No one cares.
Well, I think even uh you know sometimes I have heard that you know I don't know if this is like known or if it's just a theory, but sometimes like part of MK Ultra some of the techniques is to like have you so [ __ ] with information with just even wondering what's what anymore that you just actually stop even really [ __ ] caring.
>> Yeah.
>> So like now they could come out and say [ __ ] here was like what >> like whatever. Can I get gas?
>> It's like kind of almost like Yeah.
Yeah. It's almost like kind of like how there was nothing about the Epstein papers really.
>> Yeah. No, it's like what?
>> I mean, you know, I mean, there's some conspiracy theorists that, you know, covered the [ __ ] in some shows, but whatever. But like I don't think it got like I think the rest of the, you know, rest of society should been like, "Wait, what the fuck?" Yeah. we should then all of a sudden, you know, not that I'm calling for any French style, you know, liotines, you know, whatever. But, uh, you know, like, let them eat cake, as they say. I'm just like, what's going on? Like, no one's going to be put in prison.
It's crazy. We're just >> like TV news stations that like in my opinion that obviously are right, you know, for Republicans like they didn't even push talking about the documents too much on TV to like make an uproar about what was in >> Yep. No, they didn't.
>> I think it was like because they were still too scared about their people being in there.
>> Yeah, that's exactly because people are in it on both sides.
>> Yes.
>> Oh, yeah. And you know as we and it's the thing is as all these bad things are happening that's why it's more important to look into work like we just covered because these are the things that are actually they matter and we have to then understand that there this divine force is there for us to help guide us on our way so we can hopefully I don't know if there there's no such thing as winning you know or lo like winning and losing is such a mundaneed way of thinking about it because the earth is going to go through what it does. And we just got to hang on and try to heal ourselves from the sickness, whatever that is, you know? I don't know. It's such a f It's such a We live in such a fantastical world.
>> Really fantastical for sure.
>> You know, it's like, what the [ __ ] is going on? Oh, Epstein's Island's gone.
Well, there's like 20 more. What are we going to do about it? Arrest Andrew Tate. Okay. Like, good. Like, but what?
Let's let him go. Like, arrest him, but why not all of the other pedophiles that are in politics, people who are grooming people? What's going on?
I remember there was a [ __ ] I can't remember his name. There was some Republican I remember not too long ago.
I think it was before Trump uh got in. I can't remember his name. I think he was like a [ __ ] maggot dude. um where he even like got brought up on like charges of some sort of pedophile [ __ ] and it's like whatever happened with that.
>> Well, exactly. Um >> it was right before the elections seem like it was like some smear campaign.
>> Yep.
>> On the dude right before the elections and it's >> Oh, right. I remember that.
>> Well, the idea is >> the idea is again with Anthony Weiner.
He's going around on a [ __ ] like two.
He's like talking to all these places and supposedly when people saw Weiner's laptop, police were like killed and puked and every cop that saw the laptop is dead now mysteriously.
>> Yeah. Yeah, that's what I've heard, too.
>> And he's out and about just hanging out.
>> Yo, that guy like got busted twice, didn't he?
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> I remember hearing that [ __ ] in New York. And that's it goes back to that's why myth, magic, and meaning is more important than anything right now because it's so easy to fall in the the pits of despair and thinking everything is wrong. And it's like it, you know, um Kya always tells me, especially because of her Buddhist practices, it's like the house is on fire, but you can just walk out of the house >> and not worry about all the fire that's going on. It doesn't have to affect you, you know? just know that it's happening because by knowing it's happening, we can hopefully make decisions and talk about these things so people aren't doing these things in such droves.
I like that. Um that makes me think of something kind of close to something that David said that we'll begin to wrap it up after that.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> I think he was saying something behind like having like a real spiritual experience or what he might have said what a magical somewhat of a magical experience. I forgot how he worded it, but he said, um, basically, you're going to have to take your whole world and burn it into ashes.
>> And take those ashes and build the world that you want to live in.
>> I love that. That's alchemy.
>> Yeah, that is alchemy.
>> Yeah.
>> Totally go along with everything that this book is probably about.
>> That's exactly it. And no, it really is.
It really is.
>> But Brandon, thank you again so much >> for showing up. Like I said, Judith was supposed to make it, she couldn't, but it was great with you. Hopefully uh >> with more further planning we can get more prejects on but uh I do think we'll get a bunch of people on for the hinrauma seem like we're interested in that. That's like seven images. Might be able to do that in like a long two hour show with all of us there or a bunch of us there.
>> Yep.
>> But uh yeah again thank you and thank you everybody in the uh the chat. That is what's up. Everybody tuned in for the live and uh until the next one everybody be well later.
>> Peace.
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