Stable republics survive disagreement because people believe peaceful correction remains possible; the danger begins when citizens lose trust in political institutions, which can occur through systematic manipulation of elections, erosion of rule of law, and the saturation of progressive ideology at local levels, ultimately threatening the legitimacy of government and potentially requiring the Second Amendment as a last resort when peaceful opposition becomes impossible.
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Hey everybody, welcome to another Full Spectrum Preparedness Show. Got a really good show tonight. Um, before we Well, let me introduce let me let me introduce the guests. Okay, first we've got the Wonder Twins, Bobby and Patrick from Midwest Preparedness Project. How you guys doing?
>> Outstanding. Outstanding. Glad to be here.
>> What's up, buddy?
>> The next Our next guest is an OG. He is He is one of the OG preppers from Kansas and Kansas City. As a matter of fact, it is the one the only Permaculture pimp Billy Bond.
>> Well, how you doing, Billy?
>> What's going on, fellas? I see me and Bobby are totally representing here, but um what's up with you guys? Looks like we got to get more shirts out. I'm representing. Yeah, that's right there.
It's right there.
>> That'll do.
>> My t-shirt My t-shirt got my Spreadshop catalog banned off of YouTube. I can't I can't do any any spreadshot stuff now.
>> Come on, YouTube.
>> Hey, they don't like they don't like the pew pews, I'm telling you. And we've got another guest. He's run he's running a little late. We hope he shows up. Um I'll I'll introduce him when he gets here. Hey guys, before we start, I'm going to throw I'm going to throw the topic out so everybody understands why this why this conversation is taking place and what it's about. So So I was watching the news back whenever the Virginia redistricting uh event was going on before the Supreme Court turned it over because it was illegal as hell.
And at the same time, uh, the lizard man, uh, James Carville was talking about how they need to they need to stack the Supreme Court. They need to get rid of the electoral college. And it struck me. I said I I thought to myself that the left in America, the Democrats, are literally trying to box their opposition out through legal means.
>> And I started pondering what happens after that. If if they manage to do that, h what happens? And so here's the here's the key thesis for tonight. Okay, it's it's sta stable republics survive disagreement because people believe peaceful correction remains possible.
The danger begins when they stop believing that they start losing trust.
And that's what that's what your guys' channel you guys put that up on your channels whenever you shared this out.
And and ultimately that's what this conversation is about. what what's causing this loss of trust and what happens when people lose lose lose that trust. I mean there's a huge community on both sides of the political aisle that have lost the trust, right? And so that's that's where the conversation's going. Uh little bit of housekeeping for everybody in chat. Hello and thank you for showing up. Um the only questions we're going to take from chat tonight are super chats. Uh, I should be able to see the super chats on the uh Midwestern preparedness channel and the the permaculture pasture uh or permaculture farm. I'm having a hard time talking tonight, guys. I apologize. Words are hard. I should be able to see the super chats and I will get them up there. Um, just know that that if you're on one of their channels and you super chat, it does get credit to them. I'm not taking their money, okay? I don't want to don't want to go get get into that hassle.
So, so here's here's the first thing I want to talk about uh before we before we talk about what happens if it's all if if the trust is completely gone or we need to talk about how it's being destroyed. Um, and I ran across I ran across something today uh on a Clayton Swood Substack and he posted this yesterday and it's it's it's about how the census the the census was misdone in 2020.
uh the the it was taken under the Trump administration, but the Biden administration is the one that coalated all the all the numbers and it ended up costing uh the Republicans about 15 House seats because because the way they they did the numbers, but here's here's what he said. I will say it plainly with with what data about the 2020 census permits saying. The errors ran systematically in one political direction where historically unprecedented in scale were concentrated in the states with the highest political stakes for appointment and occurred in environment where incentive structure for cheating was high and consequences were effectively non-existent. Whether that reflects deliberate orchestration or simple and predictable outcome of a broken accountability system, the political effect was identical. And and what he described right there is exactly what I'm I'm talking about. That that type of thing destroying people's trust.
You you guys want to want to make a comment on that? Um just just to say hi to everybody and and then get into it.
Bobby, about you Bobby and Patrick.
>> Yeah. Yeah. First and foremost, thanks for having us on the show tonight, Garen. We we appreciate you. We love you, Grumpy G. I just I have I do have a serious question, though.
>> Okay, >> so with all of the shenanigans going on in the YouTube sphere, with all of the, you know, words being bleeped, shows getting cancelled, our our homie Billy, he just got put on the naughty list, you know, for saying a word that was just completely like passive. Should should not have even been picked up by the sensors. I want to see if you've got the coahones to reach back behind you and wield that Scottish claymore like your ancestors and see if they cancel us.
>> Oh boy. Here we go. We're gonna figure it out real quick.
>> Right there.
>> All right. There you go, fellas. There you go, folks.
>> All right. Now, now I need you to hold it up in the air and say, "I have the power."
>> No.
>> Freedom.
>> Okay, fair enough. That works.
>> The power of Grey Skull. Oh, wait. Wrong crowd.
>> Thank you. Outstanding. All right, we're still on the air. That's good. That's good.
>> No, it's good to be here, man. Good to be here. My homie my homie Spags and I are we're holding it down here in the Midwest along with Grumpy G. So, yeah, this is a fantastic topic. It's very polarizing with the uh you know, the midterms coming up. A lot of seats. You, you know, you've seen what happened to Mitch McConnell and those crew um out east. So, what do you anticipate, Billy?
I'm really curious about what you and Bobby, you guys tend to be polarist when it comes to your opinion. So, like what what do you guys feel is going to happen here in these midterms?
>> Go ahead, Bobby.
>> Well, I know what I kind of hope happens and I know what probably will happen and it's probably going to be very very very uh very close. Um I my prediction is that the Democrats take the House. I think the Senate stays relatively split.
Obviously, the executive is not going anywhere and the Supreme Court isn't going anywhere. So, the best outcome we're going to get from the midterms is the Democrats taking the House and putting a check on I or on Trump's war policy. That's about the only good thing that I see coming out of it. If we get if the Democrats take the House, they can form committees. They can do impeachment process. They can do any of the stupid things they want to do. But the thing is, it will likely end the war powers going on right now in Iran to some degree, which is probably the best outcome we could ask for. I know in popular opinion, I'm not for the war in Iran. I think it's a horrible thing. Um, the only people who are for the war are people who have never fought in one and whose kids probably aren't on the chopping block to go over because there's no boots on the ground yet. Um, as far as the real concern, the real concern is 2028. What happens in 2028?
If you're going to hedge your bets on anything actually having real potential teeth to harm people like us, it's going to be what happens in 2028.
>> You know, on the heels of that, we just witnessed something that was really, really weird that just happened in Kentucky. And I'm I'm taking a backdoor kind of way of answering this. You know, if you lack the fidelity of your elections, then you live in a third world banana republic.
>> Yep. And you have a guy that supposedly won and there was 20 people at his rally. 20 people at his victory celebration. We're finding out and it's only a day removed. We're finding out that, you know, all types of crazy shenanigans.
I mean, this is this has been going on since the dipple dimpled Chad area.
Remember all that around 2000? Well, they can kiss my dimple, Chad, because tax on all this stuff. Honestly, the shirt I'm wearing and Bobby has on right now kind of says it all. And yeah, I'll say it. We all [ __ ] now.
>> Why am I saying that? Because honestly, the powers that shouldn't be. I don't think there's a dime's worth of difference as far as who wins and who doesn't. Go right back to Carol Quigley's book that he wrote, Tragedy and Hope. He spelled it all out for everybody years ago. He was Bill Clinton's mentor. He basically said in a nutshell, and I'll paraphrase, that it really doesn't matter who you put in there. They're all working together. It really doesn't matter. I mean, people are lamenting. They're having the lamentations of Job right now over Massiey's loss. But I got news for you.
If Massie was the only honest politician out of 535 members of the House, this country was already going down the toilet. So, as far as what I'm expecting in the midterms, it really it doesn't matter. But I do have to echo what what I think Bobby's going to say. Everybody thinks it's going to be a massive bloodletting and the Democrats are going to take over. I really don't see it that way. I think they're going to take the House >> far as the Senate. I think they're going to believe it. It it may go they could win both House and Senate and I promise you there will be no impeachment hearings that make it all the way to the removal.
>> It's not going to happen. They're all in it together.
>> Yep. So to narrow that down and kind of dial in to zero for all of our jumbo yellow crown eden marine friends out there watching tonight.
>> Sam, that's you, buddy.
>> I'm talking to you, Sam. That left wing, right wing, it doesn't matter. They're still attached to the same vulture, feasting on the carcass of what was once the greatest nation in the history of the world.
>> Yep. Right cheek, left cheek, and what comes out of the middle is not good for anybody.
>> I'm going to be honest. I'm I'm not a Massie fan. I I think he's contrary just to be contrary sometimes and in a non-productive way. Same thing with Ran Paul. Even even with saying that, looking at it after the fact, you know what did they were saying? $32 million worth of outofstate funds came into into the the his opponent's campaign. That's that's criminal. I'm sorry. that is that is just completely criminal, you know, and and I I find it hard to believe that that people that have elected him as many times as they have um changed their mindset or suddenly didn't show up.
>> Right. Right.
>> The political winds are leaning in his favor. like the the public sentiment is more leaning towards what Massie had to say than it is the mainstream Republican party. Like which just goes to show that they're grappling and grasping at power.
They're they're doing everything they can to keep their people in and anybody who's an opposition voice, they're forcing out by any means necessary.
>> And and that doesn't necessarily speak to the legitimacy of the people or the non-legitimacy of the people who are being contrarian. And I agree that Massie is contrarian. I tend I tend to like contrarian people because they don't just go along with the flow, but most contrarians tend to be that way to their own detriment, which we likely just witnessed. Same with Marjorie Taylor Green. Same with Ron Paul in the past. I'm I'm not going to lie. I was a huge Ron Paul fan. Love that guy.
>> But the reason he never won is because it's very hard to have a political campaign and a political message where the only thing you ever say is no. Even if you're supposed to be saying no, you're not going to get any votes that way and you're certainly not going to win public favor. But today, the the political winds are shifting. Gen Alpha and Gen Z are checked out. They are completely tired of everything happening, which is why you're seeing the growing. You're seeing the numbers on the far right growing and you're watching the rhinos and the neocons and the, you know, the pro- uh I can't say that word. It'll get you canceled, but the proje of that is shrinking. and that particular group of Republicans are are about to go extinct. Um, Gen X and boomers are not going to be around much longer in the political sphere. And at some point, there's going to be a reckoning and there's going to be a whiplash effect when that happens, if it ever gets to that point, and we haven't melted down yet.
>> Hey, real quick, can I give a shout out to uh the Todd, our crew man, the Todd out there in the comment section tonight and our homie Sean down in Texas from Crunchy Mountain Farms. Good to see you all. Thank you very much for checking us out tonight.
>> Hey, a number of people are saying I don't know if it's something you have to do on your end, Garren, but they're saying that they're trying to do a super chat, but aren't given the option. It could be the nature of this topic.
>> Well, it has to be it has to be it has to be on it has to be set up on your channel. So, somebody I I've got it set up on mine. I don't I just assume that you guys have it. So, they may it may not be set up on your guys' channel.
>> No, it should be. I mean, if they break bread, I won't fake dead. I mean, I always got the super chat kicking.
>> There was an issue with sup with the software companies that were doing super chats there. A lot of them are out of Canada and there are some some of the number one streamers in the world right now. Uh people like Nick Fuentes and Tucker Carlson were having their stuff shut down where they could not receive super chats. Um and and they're fairly certain it was, you know, the company said it was a problem with the software, but they're pretty certain it was an attack on them to because that's how they make their money. The >> It's the lizard people. Yeah, the lizard people, you know, the the the nation state, whatever you want to call it, they're uh they don't like it when people are making money outside of their purview. So, >> Oh, absolutely.
>> It could absolutely that. It's just a problem with the super chat software right now because that's happening.
>> Okay. Well, if if that's the case, if you guys I'll I'll keep an eye out for really good question. If you're gonna if you're going to post a question, capital letters, please, so it stands out so I can I can see it. Um, and we'll we'll get it on there and we'll see if if we can't answer your question now. Okay.
So, here's here's my first one for you guys. The the the So, what allows people to peacefully tolerate the political losses, you know, because the the the fear isn't losing politically. The fear is losing the ability to oppose politically, right? So what what keeps people engaged in the system and and and keeps their trust and and and allows them to to peacefully change over? We saw we saw what happens when people don't trust with January 6th, right? And I'm I'm not going to that that's not a judgment call. That's not anything. I'm not endorsing or or unendorsing or whatever. Um I think you guys probably know where I stand on that. But we we saw what happens when people who normally follow the law and and use the trust lose it. So So what keeps people from doing that on a regular basis?
Rule of law. A lot of people are afraid right now, Gar or complacent. You know, one or the other. You look at the what was it? The truckers revolution. You look at the farmers revolution. You look at these different movements that people have tried to gather, whether it's whether it's, you know, uh, Black Lives Matter, whether it's um the guys that occupied the Chad, like look at all these different, you know, times where one side or the other chose to peacefully protest or march upon whatever it was they felt was their polarizing moment. It doesn't matter. I think it all goes back to what you guys said at the very beginning of this. You looking where we're headed. I think with the elections being either engineered or driven by some force unseen, it doesn't really matter. You've got people that are like obviously ultra polarized on either end of the spectrum. You got people that are like like my dad. He's like like red hat like all day long.
Like he lives, eats, sleeps, breathes, you know, Donald Jay is the 5G chess master. And then you've got people on the other side that think Hillary should have won. Like it's it's so surreal to think the time that we live in that we've been whittleled down to a two-party system where people are so so convicted in their beliefs that you you think this is bad. Wait till it's you know 2028. Wait till it's 2032. Wait till it's um you know more of that brown. What was it? What was the uh the Hitler's little right arm that he used?
The brown shirts.
>> Brown shirts. Yeah. Wait till it's brown shirts here in the United States.
>> Are you talking about Antifa?
I don't know that Antifa qualifies as brown shirts. They might be more like black shirts, but yeah, >> black and red.
>> Well, it's interesting you use the word trust when it comes to this because Western society was built and functioned for 200 years at least on what's known as a high trust society. you had you had a a mostly similar makeup of people and that makeup is dwindling and it's changing. The the landscape is is changing in the United States to now where you have people from lowrust societies being imported in mass into our society. So the H1B issue that's a real problem. Um illegal immigration that's a real problem.
the State Department feeling sorry for displaced groups of people from Ivory Coast countries or from Gulf Coast countries and importing them all to I don't know somewhere in Michigan. That's a problem. So part of the reason that there's no more trust amongst the general American population for the political system is because the political system is now taken over by lowrust factions which are weaponizing the systems that were put in place for us against us in their favor and there's no consequence to it. you know, they're all going to the Larrying Centers or starting a an old f person's home that has no tenants in, you know, San Francisco, whatever the case is.
>> And we see this being broadcast live and we see our elected leaders doing nothing. We see law enforcement standing down and and not doing what is needed to enforce the law. We see law enforcement at the state or local level fighting with the federal law enforcement, not backing them up, not sending ambulances and fire and EMS when needed.
So I think that's where a lot of the distrust comes from is we have gone from a high trust society which was you know what evolved from Europe and came over to the United States and that has been replaced with well replacements and it's not going very well for anybody.
>> Mhm.
>> Well if you think that's bad now wait till if you think the trust is eroding now let's consider what's right here in the front of the headlines right now. I mean we have the straight of Hermoose shut down. Okay. Everything you need for manufacturing. Like I've worked in my electrical career in at least four different tire plants. The Goodyear plant I think in uh Topeka, worked at the one in Oklahoma, worked in the one in Tex Arcana, and there's one more in a place that I can't remember. Do you know how you vulcanize rubber? Well, you use sulfuric acid.
>> And do you know where like most of it comes from? It's from the Middle East.
Okay. You know what else is coming out of there? Uh helium. You don't have you don't have condu you don't have super uh you don't have these chips that are going to be going in all these uh data centers that everybody's upset about right now. But here's the most important part. When nobody's going to stop to consider how many Africans are dying because the fuel needs that they need to run their countries and all over, you know, that part of the world when all of a sudden it's not arriving. Okay, that's going to create another thing. But when does it really start to affect us here at the United States of Amnesia? Because there are overtures right now of hm there's already been a shot over the bow, so to speak, quite literally right there at the Panama Canal. You shut that one down, you got problems, nephew. What about the biggest one that nobody's talking about and will almost certainly happen if this thing escalates? And that's the streets of Malika.
>> You shut that one down, folks. I got news for you. You think it ain't coming?
You think the chickens ain't coming home to roost? They are coming home to roost as it stands right now with just the straits of Hormuse shut down. You have AutoZone putting out letters the other day saying, "Hey, better get all the oil you need right now because uh we're about to run out."
>> Y >> this is motor oil. I'm having it changed in my truck tomorrow. So everybody, if you think the trust is a problem right now, I've said for years and years and years and years now, ever since I was doing talk radio in Kansas City, you let you're going to see a constant degeneration, depravity if you will, unfold in the United States of Amnesia until one thing happens >> and that's when the food gets compromised. When all of a sudden people are struggling to put that is the only known antidote to a decadent society is starvation. mass starvation. And sadly, I'm not trying to be the contrarian, but I got to tell it like it is. If this thing holds on, we're 80s some days into this thing at the streets of Hermoose.
They start shut down the streets of Malaka or the Panama Canal, hold on to your hat because if you think trust is eroding right now, you haven't seen anything. And honestly, I think that is the motive of the powers. it shouldn't be >> is to constantly there are too many like Bobby just said a moment ago and even Patrick to a certain extent >> you have people you're bringing in low trust society people to the coldest part of this country >> look right >> I'm kind of a Kansas boy man I know what it's like to be cold but we ain't talking Minneapolis cold I mean it's cold there but you're taking these people and dropping a bunch of banana eating bean farting Africans over in the middle of Minneapolis.
What do you think's going to happen?
It's about to get real. So, um I might have drifted a little bit too far, but I'm saying the trust is >> No, no, no.
>> No, no.
>> Bill, you said we're 87 days in. It's just 87 days to flatten the curve. Don't worry.
>> Well, no. And you you know, you you leaned into the the the loss of trust really, really well. And and that bring that actually brings us to the next thing I was going to ask about. You know, with the with the loss of trust, at some point I guess the question is with with the loss of trust, at what point does that turn into a question about the legitimacy of the government, right? Have we have we reached the point where enough pe where where a majority of the people are looking at the government and and I'm not saying the Trump the Trump administration. I'm saying that the the US government as a as an institution it is legitimate or not. And I'm not talk and again I'm not talking the the radical leftist where you know we're living on stolen land.
I'm talking about your your NASCAR dads and your soccer moms that are seeing the effects of the the uni party as people call it affecting your children directly. Have we have we reached that point yet or or is there still room to go down that road?
>> Not even close, man.
>> I don't know. It depends how you define it. We have had less than 35% of the public voting now for decades. I think that the loss of trust in in the government has been there systemically for a very long time. The problem is is that it hasn't matched the starvation level.
>> So until you're cold and hungry and not trusting, you know, that that's when things get weird.
>> Yeah. when people are actually having to cancel their Netflix subscription and buy a bag of rice or beans, that's when I think we'll hit that rock bottom. But until we get to that point where people are not ordering their lattes from their their phone app and and having Door Dash bring them, you know, a $4 cup of coffee and paying $9 to have it delivered, we we're not even close. Not even remotely close.
>> A good a good hard reset before that happens.
>> You guys said it all right there. I mean, we we are a society that knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.
>> There was a guy with a whole lot of sense that once said that. And when you hit a level of depravity and decan, I mean, for crying out loud, we just found out in the United States of Amnesia that the ruling elite are eating children.
And everybody yawned. They yawned to the point that I was so upset and aggravated, my wife and I. We were going at each other. Couldn't figure out why or where this tension was coming from.
And it was the overwhelming maybe I should say the United States of apathy because the overwhelming apathy when they just discovered okay it didn't happen to their kids I guess they didn't care at the end of the day >> right >> and until you hit that point when you hit this history proves it in fact I challenge anybody in this listening audience to find me one case in history where depraved and yes we are in fact a depraved society and the metric of it the barometer was finding out that these willing and elite are eating children and everybody yawns. Until that point, until you hit a point of starvation, there is no recovery. Just like you guys were saying a moment ago, until dad is no longer able to keep his Chief season's tickets, >> until mom is not able to go out there and, you know, go out on a girls night out, and believe me, it's perilously close for a whole lot of people out there until you hit that point. And we haven't even, like Patrick said, we haven't even touched that yet. But you let that straight of Malaa shut down, you're going to see some problems, nephew. I mean, you're already going to see some problems in a big way. Gas is outrageous and it's about to go through the roof. The only reason it hasn't already is we're tapping into the strategic oil reserve. Well, when that goes dry, where are we then? This is I don't and I don't think for a minute that any of this isn't planned. Just like uh FDR said, if you're government, you better believe it was planned or you know, something like that.
>> Yeah. And I've always I've always held that that the the soccer moms and NASCAR dads hold the true political power in their hands. I mean, the the the Civil Rights Act was passed because middle American white middle Americans, the the traditional soccer moms and NASCAR dads of that time backed it and and they've always held the power. And I think at some place they lost the script and they they don't understand the power that they wield. And and you kind of hit on it and I I agree 100%. You know, true change will not come in this country until those people are looking at their little Susie and their little Bobby across the table and they're wondering how they're going to put food on their plate the next day. Yeah, that Bobby.
But, you know, I and so I you guys I think you're we're done with that, man.
Well, so I I identified I I came up with some things that I I think are part of the cause of this lack of trust and the the the lack of of the coming lack of legitimacy, if you will. And I I want to run these by and I want to see what you guys think about this. So the you know the the the issue here is is not whether people are angry and there are angry people. the the issue is is why an increasing number of them believe that the the normal political mechanisms no longer meaningful meaningfully change the outcomes. And so we've got the first category is elections without reversal.
Can you guys can you guys speak on that?
How how have policies really changed? I mean, I from where I'm sitting, I I'm not 100% happy with Trump, but I also I also can look at the small things that he's doing that are structural changes that most people don't see, like little little court rulings and policy changes that that are set in the record books, you know, in the the written down on paper now, not just executive orders. I see those things. But is there a big enough swing in policy whenever elections happen to to really make a difference in the in the outcome?
>> No.
No. I don't think that it's an issue of policy changes. I think it's an issue of saturation. So when you have a common tide of the same sorts of policies, it'll never work from a top down. They have to I'm going to use the word they generically. I think you can insert whatever lizard group of people you want into that. But as the popularity of the progressive mind virus spreads, it's no longer the president or the Congress. They're actually very inconsequential. Very little that they do touches you. But it's when now you have white guiltridden liberal women on your city council. It's when you have white guiltridden pacifist dudes who are now your your sheriff or your county commissioner or your fill in the blank. It's the saturation that matters, not the policy itself. The policy at one point LA was just a bastion of of of liberal fp pie. And we all knew it and it didn't touch us. But now it's saturating. It's migrating.
It's crossing into Colorado, into New Mexico, now into Texas. And we're seeing deep purple pockets pop up in red America because the saturation is growing of the same trend of the same.
They're always going to give you a little victory when your team's in power. You're always going to get little victories all along the way. It's how they keep the base pacified. It's how they keep you apathetic. Oh, look at that. That litard got owned. Or over on the other side that right-wing Nazi got punched in the face, right? Like, okay, everyone gets a little victory, but the saturation continues and at some point you reach that critical mass when you become a low trust society and the food runs out and the oil runs out where all of a sudden you're going to stand there realizing you're up to your waist in the swamp in the sponginess of that saturation and and that's really where it's going to hit.
>> Okay? you know, in the the late 1960s, a cat named Yuri Bezmanov, he was a social socialist uh media um I guess he was a uh what was it? I can't >> he was a KGB defector from the Soviet Union.
>> Yeah. Yeah. But his title he was like a a social handler. So his job was to um steer public opinion and kind of takes you know um uh people around the Soviet Union, show them this, you know, beautiful picture. Anyways, long story short, he came here and he pretty much nailed this. He he traveled all around the United States um talking about what this communist manifesto was, how they were going to do this, subvert these local politics, work their way up into the state houses and then eventually into, you know, the White House. And they were going to do exactly what you just described there, Garrett, a death by a thousand cuts. They put us in a position where we justify the ruling class and how we're being managed because that's what we're doing. We're being managed by, you know, justifying all these like like you said, well, I see these little microcosms of good that are going on while ignoring the babies getting eaten. Oh, but look, they're going to they're going to disclose aliens like any day now. They just they just admitted lizard people are real.
Oh, um, wait, Ebola is is threatening the country. Make sure you get your vaccine. So all of these little bitty minutia things that kind of come together and form this big puzzle picture, this jigsaw in the background, people are oblivious to. I think um the out ofdoors guy said it somewhere in the chat. He said u he believes we've got to this place through lack of conviction by apathy and um crisis fatigue. You know, Hillary said it best. Never let a good crisis go to waste. I think several people have said that throughout the the history.
>> Rah Emanuel.
>> Yeah. They they've all said never let a good crisis go to waste. And and look where we are. We just jump from crisis to crisis to crisis. We get so spun up.
And like Billy mentioned, like nobody stormed, you know, there was no January 6 over the babies getting eaten. There was no January 6 over the promise of releasing the Epstein files on day one.
There was no, you know, January 6 on any of the real things that we should have been polarized on. But yet here we are still ordering our lattes, still going and getting our oil changed. all of the nonsense.
>> There wasn't even a January 6 on January 6. Let's just >> There wasn't even January 6 on January 6.
>> They were practically tailgating.
>> Yeah, >> Billy. Billy, this this one's for you because because you you just suffered from this.
>> Hang on. That that's not true. Ashley Babbot actually experienced January 6.
>> Well, this is true. This is true.
>> That's true. That is true.
>> So So this question is for you. All right. This is the ne this is the next the next category. This is disscent without effect. You know, if elections occur and policy directions don't change.
Is your descent worth worthwhile?
Censorship, algorithm locks, things like that. Where in your opinion, where are we on that road? How far how far down are we on that road before that really becomes a structural issue?
>> Well, I think we're I don't think we're a step down that road so far because I mean, I'll put it this way. You know, when you have bums in Asheville with Netflix subscriptions and brand new sneakers, it kind of kind of sets things. You know, you you have got to have that crucible of really hard times to make any kind of reasonable change at this point. I think >> check the notes. Our our homie showed up.
>> Oh, okay. Cool. So, we got to the party.
>> Okay. Hey guys, listen.
>> This is going to add him to the stage.
Everybody say hi to to Dogman 88.
>> What's up, buddy?
>> What's going on? My apologies for being fashionably late. I always try.
>> Well, they they were talking, >> buddy. You can make it up to us by standing up and showing us you're wearing a shirt just like Billy's.
>> Uh, no, but I do love that.
>> Okay.
All right. Fair.
>> I can I can only claim 13%. That's That's what I'm good for.
>> Okay.
All right.
No, I was like, "Okay, man. This guy's in shadow, man. He looks like he'd murder somebody over a $ eight bet, so I'm not going to be talking any junk to him, man."
>> All right. All right.
>> I'm just using a hat to cover my big ass forehead. That's all.
>> It's a five head.
>> No, I I'm wearing my uh my Pineland Pineland shirt. So, yeah.
>> Yeah. So, my apologies for being late.
the organized opposition right there.
>> No, no, I'm I'm not the OP. I'm the uh I play one of the gorillas. So, I'm the gorilla camp sword major for one of the lanes.
>> So, >> that's cool. That's that'd be a fun gig.
So, >> it's cool.
What we're talking about is is basically loss of loss of trust. And where that leads us whenever whenever one side or the other is is structurally changing the the government so that disscent is impossible and and what happens when we get there. And and right now we're talking we're talking about the the some of the some of the things that are happening that that cause people to lose trust which ultimately leads to a loss of legitimacy in the government. It's the the structure of the government, the institution of the government, not necessarily any political party or anything, but but just the the the government itself.
And and Billy just got done talking about the the disscent without effect.
I'll I'll throw this one I'll throw this one to you. Um, selective enforcement, selective enforcement of laws, selective punishment. I mean, that's that's a real thing in in today's America. Uh, how how far do you think it is uh it's developed and and how far do you think it has to go before people step back and go, "This doesn't work."
>> Well, as far as how high it goes, uh, today, I don't know that there's an actual limit. Um, and how far back it goes. I think it goes back probably a lot farther than any, you know, good normal American would actually be willing to to admit. And if you think about like the founding fathers, you know, we call them the founding fathers.
They were flawed men um trying to create a new system, but they're flawed men like we all are who tried to create a system that they thought at the time was was really going to work. You know, all men created equal, which if you think about it, that's the glorious dream, right? All men created equal, there is no difference. But in reality back then a lot of them did believe that there was there was a big difference between all of us. And that's I don't know if it I would say it was a pipe dream. I'd like to think that it still is 100% um available to this country. But if you take that and you compound it over time in space and distance to where we are now, um we have allowed ourselves as a country to get to the point where when elected officials go up to Washington or the state level or wherever, we just let them take those decisions and and run with it. Where it used to be, they had to seek our permission.
And it almost seems like the permission that they needed to seek from us back then, we're okay with them not seeking that permission anymore, >> right?
>> And because we're okay with not having them seek our permission, we have therefore given them a ticket um to continue to live that inequity.
And as long as there are good people who are unwilling um to actually stand up and say, "Hey, I want my money back or you're fired."
Because they work for us.
>> Every single every single elected official, regardless of what party or whatever it is, they work for us. And people have forgotten that. I I really do truly believe that they don't realize that we are their boss. We tell them what they can and cannot do. And the only power that they actually have is derived from that permission from their constituents. And 99% of the people in this country have forgotten that.
>> So and and you talking about the constitution brings me to the last category and the the and that's constitutional uh constraints as obstacles for governance. Um the first gay president alluded to the fact that he was frustrated that the government or that the constitution did not allow him to become a dictator.
Right. And and from where I'm sitting, I'm seeing a lot of a lot of activity predominantly on the control side of the political spectrum. you know, the people that want to control your daily life talking about doing things in in either to to circumvent the Constitution or actually change it like getting rid of the electoral college um stacking the Supreme Court. In fact, Virginia after after they after the the Virginia Supreme Court over overturned the the redistricting thing, uh the Senate or the House Minority Leader Hakee Jeff got on with the Dem Dems down there and we're talking about lowering the retirement age of the Supreme Court to 57 so they could just dump everybody and then stack the court with with uh left-leaning judges, >> you know. So, I'm going to throw that out to you guys. What are what are your thoughts on that and and where do you think that leads us when when stuff like that happens?
>> Well, I I'll chime in on something real quick.
>> Okay, go ahead.
>> The fact that the Democratic Party even exists at this point is actually pretty shocking to me. And the only reason that it does exist in the manner in which it does right now is the majority of Democrats have absolutely no idea about anything of to do with history, actual real history, and who the Democrats are.
And I don't know how that happened. And I don't know at what point in time in history, somehow or another, they took Republicans, or let's not even use Republicans, conservatives versus liberals, whatever you want to call it, how they flipped that thing around.
Um, >> well, it's it's the propaganda. Patrick mentioned BZ Bezmannov earlier, you know, and that was one of the big things he talked about how they subvert America. I mean, my my gosh, we got white people propagandized so hard that they're they're demonstrating against white people.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. The level of self-deprivation is ridiculous at this point. It's Look, guys, you have to take your own side.
you you got to stop taking a political side. Take your own side. Why do we care about, you know, honestly the the taking of the side of somebody else and and you you brought up where it started. Well, we probably can't pinpoint where it started, but we can certainly tell where it wound up. And it was the Bolevik takeover of American public education.
They stopped teaching civics. They stopped teaching math. They stopped teaching all of this stuff, at least in the traditional senses. And now everything is feelings based and method based and and everything is based.
>> It's all about questioning your own country, questioning your own past, you know, in the attempt to write perceived wrongs or real wrongs. We've gone to the other extreme now where we just we hate everything about how we are and where we came from. People are literally standing on the backs of giants and bitching about the view. And it's about the most disgraceful thing that you can have out of your own country. And at no point would any country do that to themselves.
This was this was calculated. This was a bolevik takeover of the education system and then furthermore a bolevik occupation of the higher education system. And it was you know again sewing circle like like like uh I think Andrew Wilson uses this term. He calls them the sewing circle Christians. the ones who were all high and mighty about not going out dancing on Friday night, not playing cards, who couldn't get who couldn't give two shits about the fact that their husbands were banging the secretary as long as he was bringing home the 120,000 a year, you know, like it started really there. I think the 60s were the most pivotal de decade that accelerated that saturation I was talking about earlier.
um and in those key areas specifically the lack the moral decay the lack of care about the people who are supposed to care and then the education system just completely abandoning education and embracing indoctrination. So is that coincidental that in that same time period where the most obvious degradation of culture in America spiraled out of control through the late60s into the 70s through the Vietnam War and where we have ended up now as a culture and a society is the exact same time my dog Yuri Besinov came over here and told us literally opened the playbook and said verbatim this is what their plan is and then here we are living in the nightmare of what that that painting that he painted all those years ago. And people are again, we're still having this debate about whether or not we can trust the government. We know we can't trust the government. We know that it's been since the Federal Trade Reserve founding, the sinking of the Titanic. We can go back to all of these different periods throughout time where something has happened and people just turned a blind eye because they took verbatim, you know, the the ringer that went through town handing out newspapers or whoever controlled the media at the time said, "This is what the facts are." And people read that [ __ ] and said, "Yep, that's what he said. Walter Kronhite said it. It must be true.
>> We really did land on the moon in 196 whatever." Billy, you wanna you wanna you wanna you want to wrap this this up?
>> Yeah. Yeah. I think part of it is the loss of our understanding of real history. I mean, everything that we know is, you know, like Napoleon said, a lie agreed upon when it comes to our history. But I'm glad you brought up Yuri Bezmanov because I'm a big fan. You know, it also goes back to our media.
And he had a lot to say about media. He said, you know, in in Russia, we had a media system that was every bit as corrupt as the one you have in America.
And then he goes on to say that the only difference between the Russians and the modern Americans at that time was that the Russians didn't believe it.
He he made that he made that parallel.
But then he also talked about history.
For example, whole lot of bad things happened in 1913. I won't list them all, but among them being that, you know, because I I think Patrick was just saying or maybe it was Bobby. I'm sorry.
All you guys look the same to me.
>> Hey, that's racism. You can't say that.
Hey, don't make me pull my card out of my wallet and display my privilege.
>> You go you go on ahead and say that. I I love that. That's awesome, >> bro. Bottom line is is that if you go back and look, everybody has kind of forgotten. We had once learned, remember that thing that they had back in the 70s and the 80s, you know how bill becomes a law? It was on like the Saturday morning cartoons, the whole nine yards. You know what else we forgot about is that how US senators were not elected by public by popular vote.
>> They were elected by states.
>> State legislators, >> state legislators were the ones that put them in there because they would always do what was in the interest of the state.
>> So you can see this dismantling happening in 1913, that being among some of the awful, dastardly things that unfolded there.
>> But because we don't know our history, as cliche as it may sound, here we are destined to relive it. And so it all comes together. I I I I I take the conspiratorial view of most history. Now, in fairness, I'm a political atheist. I see the Republicans and the Democrats. I don't know why anybody would ever claim to be either one of them at this point. I really don't. Um as a political atheist, I can crap on pretty much all of them. And at the end of the day, it's like nobody does, nobody remembers exactly where any of this stuff began and what it is wrought from all that time. So, they're playing a long game. This is why I think we're dealing with I'm not going to go too sideways here, but I think there are malevolent forces that are almost like puppeteers controlling a lot of these people because you see a continuity of the plan that goes from 1913 even further back. I think I can make a historical case for that. I think from the top of my head I could probably fill volumes of all the reasons why I think it went on long before then. But anyway, let's say it all started in 1913.
Somehow in the entropy of politics, the cohesion somehow of that plan that was hatched back then is we see it unfolding right now and it all ties in with exactly with what Yuri Bezmanov talked about. I'm not even so sure that it was a par striker policies that made all that happen. I think I think we're just falling apart from entropy in so many different ways.
>> Okay, you know what? That's a that's a we're going to change gears here because we've we've identified the problem and we've we've talked about the symptoms.
All right. The the thing that that led me to ask you guys to come on here is the fact that I see a trajectory where >> the the average people like us are going to be locked out of any opposition through legalized means. They're going to legalize us not being able to do anything. They're going to stack the courts. They're going to make it so we cannot we cannot disscent, right?
Anything we do is just perform performative in nature. It does it does absolutely nothing to change the the what's going on. And that brings us to the hard stop. The hard stop in all this because because when that happens and people are locked out of the political process like that, they have no more options. All right? And the only the only recourse at that point is the Second Amendment. And and the reason why I I bring this up like this is because I see tons of people online, you know, we need to pick up take up arms. We need to take up In fact, I've got the I've got the freedom requires maintenance shirt on, you know, which you can get Spreadshop down below. Go buy one if you want one. Anyway, there's my plug. you know, it's the the the the violent action is the last resort and it it proves that everything else has failed, right? So, I think it's important people need to understand exactly what the second amendment is about. And I think that I think the the first step in doing that is let's talk about the uh the uh the philosophical role of the second amendment here if we would if you guys if you guys want to talk. I got a dog bumping my table.
Mine's Mine's downstairs. Absolutely.
>> Angie, >> knock it off.
>> Let's talk about the Let's talk about the phil philosophical role of the the the Second Amendment. And And is it >> was it is it for deterrence or is it for defense? And there's there's a distinct difference there.
>> Well, I I'd like to chime in real quick on that one.
Before you can talk about the second amendment, I think a quote from Thomas Jefferson needs to be brought up, uh, the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants, and it is natural.
Um, how many people have an actual understanding of what the real meaning of the Second Amendment is? Not many.
They think it just means that I get to have a gun because this thing says that I get to have a gun. It is so much more big than that. It means that we as a people have the right to stand up a wellarmed and regulated militia in order to not only dispose but replace a governance that has gone outside of its constitutional authority. But that right there, that part, that constitutional authority, that's what a mo because so many people are are, for lack of a better term, not informed or ignorant of the actual constitution because they, you're right, those back in the 70s and ' 80s when I was a kid, I'm just a bill, you know, that song with the little dude up on the court.
Yeah.
>> They don't watch that anymore. They don't preach that anymore. They don't talk about it. They don't talk about it in school. And because we have I mean what are we talking here probably three generations worth of people who are completely ignorant of the constitution.
How many people are actually willing to stand up and actually go tell the government stop what you're doing fix this or then we pull out the guns. How many people are actually willing to actually you know do that? And when you see movies um that romanticize that and when you see things in the media like we we you know the movie Civil War, >> I I watched that movie three or four times in a row to kind of pick up on the nuances of of different things. And I really do truly believe that is that a possibility? Yes. It would it be absolutely horrific? I think so also.
Yes. because nobody understands that it wouldn't just be a quick we show up to Washington and you know hey you guys suck at this we're replacing you. It wouldn't work like that. And the reason being is you go back to constitutional authority, you know, and um even though it may not be great, um those folks up in Washington are really good at conducting what they're doing under the guise of constitutional authority. And when something doesn't go their way or they can't do a particular thing, they sign another bill and they sign another executive order or they do these things over and over and over again. So if you were to look at the original constitution back then when it was written and you look at it now, the one now looks like a mountain compared to what it was back then.
>> Well, and you bring up you bring up a good point. you know, um, Americans, Americans when when we put our minds to something, we do it and we do it very hard and we do it very well.
If and and that's the real danger that in this this whole scenario that we set up to get to this point is, you know, the the the danger is not the violence itself. The danger is that people are getting to the point where they're there's more talk. You you've got newscasters, politicians talking about violence being the only remaining answer.
>> And and that's the danger there.
Oh my god.
>> Yeah. Yeah. The violence. The violence.
Yeah. We got some violence. Some dog on dog violence.
>> That's all I'm here for is violence.
>> Mom just got home and never an option.
No, but that's you know the the the is the real danger the violence or is it the fact that that people are getting to the point where they think that's the only option? We know that a large section of the political leftist part, the control part has decided that violence is the answer to the problem.
>> To the point where they're fan they're fangirling about it.
>> I think that's actually the bigger problem is what side is actually more willing to be violent? Is it the side that's been clutching their pearls about the Second Amendment for the last 50 years and there will never be another Ruby Ridge, there will never be another Waco and then we get another Ruby Ridge or we get another Waco and they don't do anything. Or is it the side that was anti-gun forever who now all of a sudden is not just espousing violence but committing it regularly at regular intervals. So that to me is the biggest part of the danger is it's not the people that you would have thought. It's the other side who you never would have guessed 20 years ago it would be this way.
>> Well, if I could throw I'm sorry. I I've got to throw in two quick points on that.
>> And and and I know we keep hitting history. Um have y'all ever read the book uh Color Communism and Common Sense?
>> No, I don't have that one. You got to read it because it was written back in the 50s and it uh it is a uh extremely terrifying and accurate uh description of everything that happened in between or actually at the beginning of the first Trump administration all the way through Biden until now.
>> Um and then >> color communism and common sense. Okay, >> it's a short read, but it literally describes everything that has happened now. Uh, and and if I'm not mistaken, it was written by Mason Weaver. I'd have to double check that, but and then if you look at that combined with the Communist Manifesto, they said they were going to take over the country without firing a single shot. That's exactly what they've done. Mhm.
>> And the fact that the I guess if you want to call him the left now, I mean, look at what they they elected Mandami into New York.
>> In our in our lifetime, did we ever at any point in time think that a man would be able to openly admit to being a socialist and be elected to the largest city in the United States of America. I I I never once in my lifetime up until that happened thought this is actually going to happen. I thought it was always going to be a threat. Um but we are actually living through it.
>> Bernie Sanders syndrome. They always got close but never close enough.
>> Buddy, you really have to question the legitimacy of all of that though. Did he actually get elected? Did Massie actually lose his election? Did these things actually happen? Did Did you know all of these votes magically appear at the ballot box, you know, 20 minutes to midnight? Did these things really happen? And Billy, for you, I need you to lean forward. Do me a favor real quick. Lean forward. Get real close to the camera. Look over your glasses like this. Look down over your glasses. Yeah.
And now look at Garrett and say, "Yeah, but what kind of American are you?"
For the record, for the record, I thought Civil War was a stupid movie.
Well, >> that but that the entire if you get a chance to watch it, that entire scene with Jesse Plankton that from the from the beginning of that scene to the end of it, the whole the whole transaction thing, >> that's one of the creepiest things I've seen on on well, it was on television because I watched it here at home, but that is one of the creepiest things I've ever seen because that was realistic.
that that outcome of that entire transaction there or that that scene is what's in store for people and I don't think people understand that and that's that's one of the reasons why I wanted to have this conversation. Billy, what what do you think the the philosophical role of the Second Amendment is in your opinion?
>> Well, I think it's already been stated largely and I wouldn't disagree with that at all. Um I think fundamentally you know the second amendment they were you know the first amendment people tend to forget the first amendment is not freedom of speech alone. There's five things in there. Freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of the press, the right to assemble peaceibly and petition to government. And then when we talk about the second amendment, I'm glad you pointed it out a moment ago where you know a a what does it say? A well-regulated militia. It kind of defines it. It lays it out there. it it puts more um respon it's not just hey just take a gun and have a nice day but if I could I'd twist off a little bit and say I think we're making a big mistake by thinking there's any distinctions between any of these two parties whether it's Mandami who's pure scum or Trump as I see him as pure scum he betrayed every last one of us sitting here did it the second day in office when he sat here and gave half a trillion dollars to um to um you know Bezos and all the others half a trillion dollars and then all the other things he's doing. I I think it's a mistake to think that there's any distinction between any of these people. If we go back and look at the fundamental message of people like G Edward Griffin um and even um if you listen to all of the statements that were made by um Bezmanov >> and then you take Carol Quigley and as I mentioned a moment ago, there is zero distinction. I don't understand how there's any belief that there is any distinction at this point.
>> Here's the here's the problem with Billy here. Here here's my counter to that. So there there's a difference between a nation and a and a country. All right? A nation is a group of people that are that are bound together through through either ethnic, culture, language, what religion, whatever. That's a nation. A country is a political unit that is governed by a government, right? That has has a formal government. There could be many many nations in a in underneath a government. And right now there are there are two Americas. There are two Americas that exist simultaneously in this in in the country. The first one is is the America that believes in the founding of the country. The the morals and ethos, the Judeo-Christian uh roots of the founding of this country and what the founding fathers espoused in the constitution and through the the federalist papers and all that. There's another America that is a postconstitutional America and it is Marxist. And when I when I talk about right and left, that's the type that's that's the the the dynamic I'm talking there. I think you guys 100% the United States government, Democrat, Republic, different wings on the same bird. That seriously, that's what it is. And when I start talking the the left and right, and I use those terms because it is what people understand. I'm when I'm talking about left and right, I'm talking about that po that postconstitutional America versus the the constitutional foundational America.
>> So traditional versus progressives.
>> Well, then to finish that then to finish that thought, I mean, at the end of the day, if we're looking for any, you know, you guys, if we're looking for any kind of synthesis in any of this, then it goes right back to that Second Amendment. Sadly, we are at a point right now, I I'll put it this way. What if the Epstein client list were released 150 years ago? There would have been public hangings out there. There would have been people there would have been blood in the street quite literally 150 years ago. There's a reason why I'm picking the time that time in particular. But I'm saying that's a demarcation point. We've hit a point of depravity right now that it doesn't even matter where the betrayal comes from, whether it's from the left, from the right, like and as I said a moment ago, I see no distinction between them. It's it's the Democrats and the Republicans as Jesse Ventura one put it and I and I tend to agree with him. But regarding that second amendment, let's see, >> there is nobody I don't see anybody standing up to do anything until they are starving and starving badly. There's only one time I didn't finish that thought earlier. There's only two times in history a decadent society has ever corrected itself without that crucible of really hard times. The first time was in the Bible in Nineveh. And guess what?
They still ultimately got dealt with.
The second time nobody ever talks about.
It was the greatest generation or what some people call the greatest generation. But what forged that greatest generation? You had the 1920s, chicken in every pot, depravity that was really starting to blow up. What happened? 1929 depression. Nobody ever talks about it, but we lost 8 to 10 million people to starvation at a time where 90% lived rurally, 10% lived in the city. Those numbers are now flopped and we have a population of people that no longer know how to skin a butt and run a trot line. We don't have that population anymore. So until we get back to the point, I hate to say it, I mean it pains me to even say it. Until we hit that crucible of really hard times, the Second Amendment isn't even going to be considered. And by that time, it may be too late.
>> Well, and and you you dovetail right into what I was I was going to say. You know, the two Americas that I described cannot exist simultaneously within the country for for any amount of time. And at at some point at some point that crucible that you're talking about is going to come to fruition. It's going to happen. It's just it's just the the nature of human human beings. You know, they can't we cannot exist simultaneously in the same space and same time. I think another way that you can actually and I hate to use the word divide but if you had to use the word divide between u those two types of people that you're referring to it's the people who actually still refer to this country the the the famous word that politicians have been using way too much for the past 50 to 60 years democracy.
We are not >> we are not a democracy. We are a constitutional republic and there are way too many uses. Especially the my favorite this person is a threat to democracy.
>> Oh yeah.
>> We're not a damn democracy. We're a constitutional republic. We were never meant to be a democracy. A democracy is a styism of debate and actually coming to a rule >> and it's majority rules >> that goes back and touches on the the the historically ignorant people. I mean how many how many if you ask 10 people how many people do you think would know about the battle of Athens >> in America? How how many people do you think would know about that >> buddy? They don't they don't make those comments about, you know, this person is a threat to democracy for people like you and I and the rest of us in the comment section. Those types of statements are meant to polarize the people that that literally will be in this seat 10, 15 years from now when you and I are too old, we're too decrepit, we're too sore, our back hurts, whatever the thing is that we cannot actually pick up our our sword, our shield, our lynching rope, our pitchfork in and torches. By the point where we get so decrepit, those Soy Latoy boys right now that Gen what what you call them?
>> Gen Alpha and Gen Z. the Gen Alpha and the Gen Z kids when they are in this this position, they will not have a clue how to use the weapons of war that actually were defined in the the Second Amendment, they will not be able to organize a cohesive thought, let alone a cohesive battle for Battle of Athens or Battle of Topeka or Battle of um >> whatever >> Asheville. Battle of Asheville, the Flamingo Wars.
>> I'm glad you brought that up, Marin. I'm glad, so glad you brought that up because man, that is a piece of history that really should be taught. Man, there's a really solid video out there.
Like a dramatic version of the Battle of Athens, >> man. You talk about Americana at its finest right there. Right there. That >> good old boys.
>> Exactly.
>> Put a put a one in the Put a one in the chat if you guys don't know what the Battle of Athens is and we will we'll we'll go into it real real quick. But and and while we're waiting for people to respond, you know, um >> I got you, Sean.
>> I I was talking I was talking with somebody that that most most of you know, and he was he was begging on Trump and he was he was saying that that you know within two years he would have thought that the bleeding would stop.
Listen guys, I've said it before, it took us decades, multiple decades to get here. the the the bleeding is not going to stop. If we get if we get eight more years of of President Vance and eight more years of President Rubio, >> it's it's still not going to stop. It will not it will not have stopped by that time. You cannot because not only are they trying to to stop the bleeding, they're they're trying to stop new bleeds that are happening all the time.
And and it's it's yes, Trump Trump deserves a lot of the a lot of the hate that he's getting. He he definitely deserves it, but it's taken a long time to get here. It's going to take a long time to get back. My kid, my kid, it will probably probably not be resolved when he's done. My grandchildren maybe, but it took us 150 years to get here.
It's going to take us that much longer or longer to get back. Okay, so we got people that that do not know about the Battle of Athens. Does somebody want to give them the notes about the Battle of Athens?
>> Sure. In a nutshell, um, right there in was it Athens, Georgia? I know it was Athens. Okay. So, you had World War II vets that went off over there, gave everything they had. They came back and then basically you got boss hog as I remember it. I mean, I tell me, somebody correct me if I'm wrong. They basically got a boss hog. Ain't that funny? Jigs of Hazard did take place in Georgia anyway. Um, so anyway, they got Boss Hog down there, maybe that was kind of inspired by this that decided they didn't care what the people voted for and they, this guy just, you know, they took the, as I understand it, they took the voting uh, the ballots or whatever and wouldn't let the public see it. And a bunch of ward World War II vets said, "No, we didn't just go over there and bleed and die to come back here and deal with this." So, they got every good old boy they could. They stormed the castle, so to speak, right there. got the votes, come to find out that the guy that won didn't win and uh they set things right.
And that's I think I think Garen, that's a whole reason why that story is suppressed because you talk about the ultimate Robin Hood story right there, man. These guys set things right and people all of a sudden I mean this you talk about a story that should be told in a big way. I'm pretty sure there is a dramatic interpretation of this.
>> Athens, Tennessee is Gregory Kle says Athens, Tennessee. And yes, there there's a late 70s, early movie, early 80s movie on that which was it was a TV movie. It it was good but the reading up on it, reading the history about it is the the television version of it did not capture even one iota of what happened and and what it was about. But it, you know, it was it was a bunch of Americans standing up for their rights and bleeding on behalf of, you know, making a true sacrifice. Welcome to >> Who remembers about the uh the March of the Bonus Army after World War I?
>> You had the March of the Bonus Army and you had at the time I think it was Colonel Eisenhower who ordered the federal US military to fire on World War I veterans that were camped out in front of the White House.
>> It was in on it too >> several times.
>> It was MacArthur that did it.
>> Yeah.
>> Was it I thought it was Eisenhower.
Eisenhower was was involved with that somehow.
>> I think he was a young Eisenhower then.
>> Yeah. much younger than when he obviously became the president. But yeah, this this story has played out multiple times.
>> But but that will never be in your history book at at your public re-education center.
>> Well, I'm glad you brought that up.
>> You talk about the bar. Okay, so we're talking about lost history. I know we may be going a little far field, but it goes right back to uh right after uh the Revolutionary War. Those guys >> rebellion, >> thank you very much.
>> They weren't paid. I mean this goes all the way back to Julius Caesar not even paying the what was it the seventh I I can't remember what uh brig not brigade but >> guard >> no it wouldn't have been the ptorian guard it would have been one service >> anyway the one example that we can all know about I mean Caesar basically said okay yeah you guys help me in this civil war we'll get you paid well just like it goes all the way back then the soldiers get screwed every single time >> yeah we do Okay. So, we've we've we've identified the problem. We've we talked about the hard stop of the Second Amendment. And, you know, if it if it if it comes to it, why why it's important.
Anybody that's watched my channel for for a while knows that that I talk about black pills and white pills. And the black pills are all the negative stuff, all the stuff that brings people down and discourages them. And I quite frankly guys, I think you guys have done an awesome job at that. You guys have you guys have laid out a really good argument that things are screwed up and and that's exactly why I was asking the questions I was asking. Now it's time for a white pill. You know, personally, I don't think there's a political solution to politics right now. I the the we're not we can't vote harder to get our to vote our way out of this.
Period. It's not going to happen.
So I guess the I guess the in in this closing section, you know, what can we do? What can people do? What can the people in the chat do? What can they what can they share with their family to do?
>> Oh man.
>> Act as mechanisms to keep us from getting to the end of the road where the second amendment in being enacted is the only option that people have realistically not not in a bravado I'm on YouTube sort of way. you know, the the right the the Bugaloo culture and all that. I'm talking in a in a real legitimate way we get there because because that is the trajectory we're on.
Period. Full stop.
>> Go ahead.
>> What can we do? What what can people do?
And there's they've talked about it in the chat and Billy talks about it all the time and and I saw it at Midwest Preparedness Festival, but but what can we do? What mechanisms are are there out there to uh or actions can people take to derail this whole thing? Go ahead.
I'm let you guys round table it. Now, >> I would say the first thing that anybody who's actually willing or real, you know, to realistically um do anything is first they have to relearn everything. Stop stop taking the books that they're giving out in in education now. Go to a thrift shop. Go to a an antique store. Go to a place where you can find a book that goes back more than 50 years and start rereading to include the Bible that we're reading now >> and find old Bibles from say the 1800s, 1900s.
Start reading that >> preschool.
>> Yeah. And now and then take that and then look at what has changed the what we're we're teaching and preaching now versus what we were teaching and preaching when we were stronger. And the real reality is as as strong as we are now by force and by projection, we are weaker now than we have ever been in regards to a people actually standing as one. And that's the big that in my mind people standing is one is the second part of that because educating yourself in what reality is versus what's being preached now and then having a a willingness to accept the fact that we're all in this this ship together. If this boat that we are on goes down, that's it. We're the last. Like Reagan wasn't kidding. We are the last beacon of hope on this planet. When we fall, that's it, man. That's >> it. Game over. You know, it's that's what people have to realize. And if they realize that, they need to reinject themselves into the actual process. Stop sitting back and saying, "Oh, I voted and here's my sticker."
>> Right. Yeah.
>> Go do something.
>> Do something with your hands.
>> Yeah. Go talk to your politician. You have every right to show up at Congress.
You have every right to show up at the Senate. You have every right to go to Washington and say, "I want to talk to my employee." Go talk to your damn employee. Talk to your congressman. Talk to your senator. And if they don't respond, start bugging the [ __ ] out of them because I guarantee you somebody is going to answer eventually. And it's either because you've pissed them off or you might have an idea that actually works.
>> Okay, Bill.
>> I would rather piss them off.
>> Yeah. Y make them irrelevant. Like like I just posted up there. Billy Bill Mullison, the godfather of permaculture once said, if you want to start a revolution, just get 10% of the population to plant a garden.
>> What do you think about that?
>> Yeah. Um it was echoed also by Jeff Lton his um you know one of his students and um probably his most well without a doubt his most prominent student and he went on to say that you know all the earth's problems are solved in a garden >> and to a certain extent I I to a certain extent I agree with that but I would also echo that I would recommend I see there's so many overlay with my Christian faith even though it was never designed trying to be that way. Um, there are wow, I I guess I shouldn't get into it because there's so many overlays in which I could get into it, but the bottom line is like even in the Bible in Psalm 1, he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water that bringeth forth his fruit in his season. His leaf also shall not wither, and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper. So, there's so many different ways I can overlay permaculture with my with my faith. and also at the same time kind of use it as a road map to all the the ALS that we've talked about a moment ago. Now, if you're wanting the bright side of things, I have to say that there will be survivors on the other end of this. I mean, I know it's not the rosy picture that everybody wants to talk about, but going back to that what did I say about Nineveh? You know, they were one of the people that got a stay of execution for a while because they were penned for a while, but they were ultimately dealt with. But that greatest generation, the one that we call the greatest generation, I think it could be arguable that it may have been the founding father's generations, but let's just go with what it is. What made them so great? They were at the end of a fourth turning. Nobody ever talks about that.
>> Anybody ever read the fourth turning by Strauss and how? Every 80 years, you have what's called a saculum. This is a pattern that goes over every single you have four turnings. We're in a fourth turning right now. They were at a fourth turning in World War II. And the people that fought that war now remember the good guys don't always come out on top.
We are at the end of a fourth turning right now. That means there will be upheaval. There will be challenges.
There will be wars and like you know Matthew 24 says in rumors of wars, earthquakes and diverse places. I think we're going to see this stuff. But in every successive saculum, you know, every 80-year period, we notice that the intensity goes up and up and up. For example, um you know, it was 80 years between World War, the end of World War II, and where we are right now.
>> Go back 80 years before then. What does that take you to? The Civil War. What does it go back 80 years? What do you get? Um the Revolutionary War. Now, that's from an American perspective, but similar things were happening other places. If we use that pattern like Solomon talks about at the end of Ecclesiastes and the very last thing he says, you know, let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter. Fear God and keep his commandments for this is the whole duty of man.
>> And then he goes on to explain, you heard that Beatles song to everything turn.
Well, what he's talking about is a saculum there. I mean, I don't know for sure, but I suspect that's what it is.
Is that what you've seen before will overlay again, but we see it progressively worse. So, I think we're going to see a conflration.
This is, believe it or not, I'm going to put a happy bow on this. I think >> we're we're going to see a happy we're going to see a unhappy transition because it always happens in a fourth turning. Okay? And then when you get to the other side of that, if you were one of the fortunate ones to make it to the other side of that, you will see a renaissance.
>> You'll see a renaissance. And what does renaissance even mean? It means rebirth.
I'm gonna I'm gonna piggyback on something you just said. You know, how long ago did the Roman Empire cease to exist?
>> About 2,000 years.
>> About 2,000 years. Rome Romans still exist. Peop people that live in Rome are Romans.
>> Good point.
>> And talking about coming out the other end, American Americans will exist coming out the other end. You know, the the the foundational Americans will exist.
There's the there's the bow on that because the because everything that that Dogman was talking about is at the heart of of what those type of Americans are.
And as long as as long as they're educated, as long as as they they believe in the morals and ethics behind it all, they will come out the other end. Now, >> well, just remember remember those same Romans. If you read the fallen decline of the Roman Empire by Edward Gibbon, tough read, insane read, but I would suggest reading the a bridge version.
What did he describe that it wasn't even a generation later after Visigothths kind of you know the the aristocracy and it it's not wasted on me that when they knew they didn't pay the Visigoths they knew they were going to come looking for their money and they were going to come to Rome so all the Roman aristocracy said hey we're going to Diddy Mau on over to Constantinople we'll be back in no time knowing full well that they didn't pay the visod the northern barbarian hordes >> they were in there if you read Gibbwin Gibbon he describes it when they were trying to kick came in the doors of Rome. They were in there in the middle of gladatorial combat. They couldn't even get in. And they were yelling down from the stands, "How much for that meat?" Meaning the gladiator dead on that coliseum floor. And they were one.
They would They didn't even know how to clean fish. That's how stupid. They were snooky stupid 2,000 years ago. Right.
>> That's a t-shirt. That's a t-shirt, Billy. Snookie stupid.
>> I love it.
>> They were that snooky stupid back then.
the only time in history where they sacked a city and didn't steal anything.
You're like, >> you know, I I it's interesting that you brought up the succulum because I always go back to the old saying of hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men.
Weak men create hard times.
>> That is that is that is exactly what you are are referring to. And it's interesting that you brought up Nineveh.
I've been there. Um I've I've stood in the the ruins of Nineveh. I've stood at the ziggurat of and it's it's the the the the scriptures that you brought up are some of my favorites, but my absolute favorite is and it goes back to why people don't do anything to stop certain things. And they they don't remember Psalms 144:1, "Blessed is the Lord my God that trains my hands to fight and prepares my fingers for war."
>> They have no concept of what that truly means because they don't prepare for that kind of thing. They don't they don't, >> as the Bible says, gird their loins.
They don't have any concept of what it may take to actually go to a government official and say, "Stop [ __ ] around or we're going to dispose you immediately." They don't. But they're just not willing to because people's lives mean more to them than the overall freedom of an entire nation.
>> I I would piggyback on that to that.
That's a perfect point which would I guess lead to what my white pill moment would be on how we can avoid the potential really bad parts and that is to become well regulated.
>> So we need acoustic weaponry like they used in Venezuela.
>> Yes, we need all the space lasers but but become well regulated. That's that's that's something that Dogman touched on earlier and I think it needs to be to be met out. You can have all the guns and gear you want, but if you don't know what to do with it, if you stack it in the basement, then you're you're just saving it for the next guy who knows how to use it.
>> You're just a loot drop, >> right? Yeah. You're just a loot box. New achievement loot box. Golden loot box.
So So be get well regulated. And what that means is actually go shoot your guns. Maybe network with other like-minded people. get unfat, have a better diet, drink less, smoke less, all that stuff. It takes discipline to become well regulated. And you're not going to be well regulated banging out your Boomer con, you know, milktoast Boomercon opinions on politics on Facebook. You got to get out there and get your feet in the dirt. You got to bleed a little bit. Go, >> you know, you got to get a little sweaty, a little a little a little uncomfortable now because man, if you're if you're living that air conditioned lifestyle, >> you're not going to be worth anything if it really comes down to that.
>> Oh, yeah.
>> You want you want to you want to talk a little bit about civic action and and and being involved in in in that sort of thing?
>> Sure. I've spent the last 12 years of my life living the the scene from Braveheart where he realized not all of his countrymen want freedom. Like we're in that period right now where you've got all of this going on and and the majority of the people you have a conversation with, they just want to exist. They just want to go to work.
They just want to watch their Netflix series. They want to heat up their microwave oven meal. Like they that's all they want. They've been so we've been so conditioned to that snookie generation where people are more concerned with what's going on in you know the Jersey Shore than they are what's going on in Washington DC or their local state house or in their local county commission like all of these different like tiers of um I guess lack of a better term tyranny that have infiltrated our governments, infiltrated our societies. Like from a civil perspective you can you can build those concentric rings of networks. You can network with cats like Billy Bond. You can network with cats like you know Dog Man, Bobby, myself, Grumpy in your area of operations in your AO right now. you can begin building if not um you can join those concentric rings start building those groups and networks building out a community supported agriculture co-op some kind of way of bartering so that way when these these things do transpire it's going to happen like Billy said at some point in time we're going to reach that tipping point where there's no turning back and now like you know the the 10% that live out in the country versus the 90% that live in the cities where do you think they're going to turn when the Walmart distribution truck stop rolling. Where do you think they're going to turn when they can't go to Quick Trip and buy their sushi? Where do you think they're going to turn when?
>> They're They're going to look at you.
They're going to look at you like a Snickers bar at a weight loss convention.
>> Nice.
>> Become well regulated, guys.
>> Well, I tell you what, if these round tables don't work out, man, I tell you what, I just The capitalist in me is just coming up with all kinds of crazy ideas, man. You know, you got guys named Grumpy and Dog Man. Bro, we can have like a a rotating like stripper clown circus man that goes on the road and has these conversations, man. I mean, we'll have to come up with a dancing name for Bobby and Patrick. I mean, we can call Bobby Rumble Foreskin. And could be Gers Brooks or something. We could make you >> We can call it We can call it the skies out, eyes out tour. Yeah, >> there you go.
>> Yeah, man. We could we could we could special. I'll be you guys manager, man.
We'll work nursing homes. We This >> We should do it. We should totally do that. Take this show on the road.
>> I'm gonna I'm gonna >> college universities though. I don't want to get circ.
>> So, the the core of everything that you guys just talked about is preparedness.
>> Yes.
>> Plain and simple. It's it's preparedness. and and whether you live in an apartment building in a city or you live extremely rural like like uh Billy and I do, I don't know about you, dog man, and but it it's all the same thing. It's all the same continuum and and getting getting as far along that continuum as you as you can realistically is the most important thing you can do. You know, Dogman talked about becoming educated.
Uh Patrick talked about becoming engaged.
Bobby talked about becoming uh uh skilled bu building your skills. Billy talked about gardening and and understanding the the the the p the patterns the p that that's a huge the the succulum is is 100% a a permaculture ideal where you understand the patterns, right? And understanding the patterns is is half the battle. So, so if if I were to white pill you and and give you an off-ramp and give you someplace to start, look at becoming prepared. Go to Midwest preparedness festivals. Go to the festivals that that that Billy speaks at constantly and and go to these things and >> like Midwest.
>> Yeah. Learn about learn about this stuff. Learn about the the soil. learn about the educa because this one of the things I'll say this about the last Midwest preparedness festival that happened two weeks ago is it two weeks now >> two weeks ago >> two weeks ago now that was probably the most well-rounded group of speakers that touched on so many different aspects of the whole preparedness thing that I' and I've been to what Patrick I've been to all of them but the first first five six of them >> yeah G's OG just when it was just when it was five families out there camping twice a year >> when it was the survivalist boards camp out. Yeah.
>> I'm telling you I'm telling you that was the most well-rounded group of speakers that they've had. And and ultimately, you know, we talk about it all the time.
And and they they these guys hit on it.
This is why this is why I love this group of guys. They talked about food independence. They talked about modern self-reliance. And they talked about building community. And those those in my opinion are are the the three core three core things that you can do to fight everything that we talked about through the beginning of this this this this round table.
>> Yeah. And if you can't travel, pick up a podcast.
>> Exactly. Get >> I'm I'm I'm talking with Buddy right now about being a guest on Top Spunker.
>> Top Spunker. Yeah, man. Um I'm really glad I got involved with that. I I will say cuz I would have never in a million years thought that I would ever be on a podcast, but it's actually introduced me to like people like y'all. Um, and because you know, I know there's plenty of people out there that call themselves prepared and all those, you know, different sorts of things, but when when you grow up with that lifestyle and it's like literally how I grew up, um, and then you see the decadence of of life now and you start thinking to yourself, "Oh man, that that looks really great and that looks really nice and I want that and I want that."
And then you start looking at prices now. And >> I'm so glad we have a garden. I mean, the the garden and I I don't think any of our kids or grandkids really at this point in their lives understand how um important a garden is. It's not just growing your own food. It's not just that. It is a physical, spiritual, mental um I just it's there is a there is chemical compounds within soil that by touching the soil and actually playing in it and working in it, you get your own boost of of serotonin, you get your own drug right there just by playing in the dirt and the worms.
>> Billy, you need to you need to offline talk to him about Sun and his taint, how how good that is.
Hey, >> tell I'm mixed, man. I'm mixed. I can I can sunburn near a hot fart. I'm not kidding, man.
>> Hey guys, listen. We're getting We're getting towards the end of this thing and and it's about time to wrap up, but I want to I want to comment on something here. This one, this is this comment right here. If if enough people stop participating by proxy, stop propping up. Uh oh, no, that's not the one. Where is it? Oh, there it is.
This only works if a large majority of people opt out and create parallel networks.
Yes, but that that does not take place until we start having conversations like this. And I'm not talking about online.
I'm talking about in person with people that you do not know. Um, you get to know them so you can have these type of conversations. The opting out, people are not going to opt out. enough people.
Yes, there will be people that opt out, but not enough to to to gain momentum in this movement.
>> So, you have to you have to start these conversations. Okay, guys. Listen, it's about an hour hour. Actually, we're an hour and a half in and we're getting to the point where my my undiagnosed OCD starts kicking in and I start my mind starts wandering.
>> His saculum starts sweating.
>> Hey, they make a they make a cream for that.
Why don't you >> Why don't you want Why don't we start with with Bobby and Patrick? Why don't you give closing thoughts and then tell people about what you got going on, where they can see you and and and engage with you. All right. And then we'll work around Billy and then and then Dogman. Okay. Go ahead.
>> As my good friend Bobby Spags would say, turn off your TV and grow a tomato.
>> Like get outside your comfort zone because it's the only place you're ever going to grow. If you find yourself in a position where you are a one-man army, you're you're in a losing proposition.
The lone wolf mentality, like it's it's a bad place to be. So, community is where it's at. Finding your tribe is where it's at. Building your networks now while times are peaceful and easy are going to make your life, your children's life, your wife, your spouse, your house, all of those things much more sustainable when the flag does go up. when people do look at you like that Snickers bar, when people do realize that the veil of civility has fallen away and we are actually living in what somebody might say is the end of the time. So, I'm Bobby Spags, your MC from the MPP here with your preparedness PSA of the day. Remember, get off the couch, get out of your comfort zone, meet people, come to Midwest Preparedness Project.
Check us out on our website, midwestpreparednesspro.com.
All social media of the same name. And you will find us constantly online with great guys like this just making complete fools of ourselves. So find and network. Get off the couch.
>> Billy Bond from the Permaculture Pimp Cast and Perma Pastures Farm. That's a whole lot of peas. And I'm the permaculture pimp daddy. So uh with all that being said, you know, I saw a shirt a while ago where No, it wasn't a shirt.
Somebody said it. I don't know even know where it came from, but I think it kind of sums it all up is that I think everybody here to a certain extent or another conveyed that you got to constantly learn whether it's history, the real history, whether it's, you know, planting a tomato, whether it's doing this or doing that, but you're when you're green, you grow. When you're ripe, you're rot. That's really it. When you get to that point where you feel like you're not learning anything else, well, that's exactly where you're going to stay. So, yeah, constantly learn.
Don't be look I know we gave out some grim statistics or at least I did much to the chagrin maybe of uh other people out there. Um you know maybe I could have talked more about solutions. If you want to see those go watch my YouTube channel. If you want to get told what I really if you want to hear what I really think about things in the world that's where the podcast comes in. But anyway at the end of the day it was a joy to be on with these guys. I learned a lot and uh you guys make me feel a lot of less al you make me feel less alone in the world especially in a world where most people are content to be su snooky stupid. You know why?
>> We're all Polynesians now.
>> Showing there.
>> I don't think we're in the right >> We're not in the right one for that one.
>> Um well, I I would uh to to kind of carry on with uh uh because I I don't like using the phrase piggybacker. Um let me let me bounce off that one. Um to kind of carry on with what you were talking about. Um, if you have become to the point where you are in your lifetime that piece of fruit that's about to rot, be the one that's actually where you can gather seed from and give it to the next generation. If you don't think you have anything to contribute, which everyone does. Take what you know uh and pass it on. Start teaching other people, especially young people. Uh, our grandkids are out in that garden with us planting way too much, just way too much crap. But the point is is that we have another generation behind us that when my wife and I are gone, they're going to know how to skin a buck. They can drop a line, they can plant a garden, they can do those things. Of course, our grandkids are a little exceptional because they're quite feral. But the point is is that instead of being the piece of fruit or the flower that rots and falls and just hits the ground and just continues a negative cycle, take the seed, pass it on, and you can find me on Tops Bunker podcast, u Facebook, Tops Bunker, and um learn something. You know, you're never like, you know that phrase, you're never too old to learn.
learn something and get it done. Do the things do all the things that you can.
And y'all talked about not watching the TV and all that other crap. I have I stopped watching all sports and television 15 years ago. I I I'll binge on something every once in a while, but I don't do that anymore because I don't want to. And when you see the the same negative ugly cycle just over and over and over and over again, just turn it off, man. It's not doing you any good. It's not >> well said. And >> hello.
>> Yes. And for I want to I want to start by saying thanks for showing up, guys.
And thanks for showing up. I am Grumpy from Grumpy Acres Farm. Um you go to our channel um to do videos. I I do videos on on social political stuff, homesteading, preparedness.
My my latest endeavor, I just just just uh published a book. It's out on Amazon now. In fact, stick around at the end.
There's going to be a commercial on it.
I think I did a pretty good job of creating the commercial. I'm pretty proud of it. Anyway, >> don't break your arm there, bro.
>> I know. I'm just I'm I need I need a pat on the back. I I'm So, I'm giving myself one. Anyway, and I'm international I am an internationally published author now, too. I I sold a book in Britain. I'm I'm running with it. I >> There you go. Level up, buddy. Level up.
>> But, you know, Hax is in here and H and I went to Self-Reliance Festival years ago to to meet Billy, meet up with Billy and and be part of his entourage.
And we were driving back to Kansas and and Hack said something. He pointed something out that I thought was very very astute. We were going by the lake there in Tennessee and it was Sunday afternoon and all the boats were coming in off the water and he looked at them and he he brought it to my attention and he said, "Those people don't get it. They're still out there running their boats on on a Sunday afternoon. That's what's important to them, right?" And I was like, "Can't argue with that logic.
Cannot argue with that logic." All right. Again, guys, thank you for showing up. Hey, don't I'm gonna I'm gonna remove you guys when when we end the stream. Don't run away. Let's do a quick afteraction on this. Everybody, thank you for showing up and thank you for being part of this. I This was a great conversation. All right, so here we go. As always, guys, go out tomorrow and try to live a life done free. Take care.
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