Christopher Nolan's film adaptation of The Odyssey faced significant backlash due to its modernization choices, including American accents, contemporary dialogue, and casting decisions that deviated from traditional representations, demonstrating how artistic reinterpretation of classic works can generate controversy when audiences expect authenticity in historical period pieces.
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After quitting the podcast, >> let's throw a penalty flag on the hospital monopolies and their abusive price increases. Four times the rate of inflation. That's 15 yards for price gouging. 500% markups on The backlash against the Odyssey continues to get worse, at least on social media, from the critics who have seen the movie so far. You can't exactly say the same thing. In fact, the critics are telling you that this is Christopher Nolan's best work ever. That despite the race, modern language, that they love it. They love that the Odyssey is a subversive modern work of an ancient epic all about it. And certainly over the course of history, both critics and general audiences have usually had good things to say about Christopher Nolan movies. But this one, it definitely feels like there might end up being a split when it comes out because >> chilling. Got the >> got the AC finally working at least in the past month. Might have to go back.
>> That's the ugliest Helen of Troy I've ever seen.
to see something that had this level of backlash because >> that trailer did not do her any favors.
>> At 656,000 dislikes back that got like 1.8 million.
>> Doing good. Too damn hot for me.
>> You preaching to the choir, man. Is too freaking hot. And our AC wasn't working properly. So, I would just been like simmering in my own juices. Pause for And there's a lot of things about regarding this one. The fact that the Greeks are mad as hell because not only is there no Greek people in this movie, which again would have been nice to do an ancient Greek historical epic and obviously we know it's a story, but it's an ancient Greek and for you not to cast a single Greek person seems a little strange. But at least if they're Greek, >> I've changed my format where I just watch YouTube while I'm waiting for like questions and stuff. that fills the uh >> fills the the uh the gap >> so I don't have to just keep rambling on.
What the [ __ ] are we doing? Right. And they're not even going to do a PR tour in Greece. Probably because the backlash is so bad. You have Christopher Nolan talking about one of the things he may come to regret from this movie, which is one of the things that stood out initially from the first trailer. Chris Nolan explains why he went for contemporary dialogue in the Odyssey, but amidst the decision might bite me on the ass. Yeah, it might when you got not only the American accent, which I thought was an interesting choice for a, you know, a historical piece like this because we're so used to hearing this kind of pro British accent, which isn't really a British accent, which kind of seems like gold in that time. Not only you got American accents and you got several British actors doing American accents, but the use of daddy in the trailer, all that stuff which they've doubled down on. Yeah, it might come back to bite you in the ass. But maybe more than anything else, the women of the Odyssey are making this thing significantly worse because they're verifying what a lot of us felt about this, what a lot of the warning signs were pointing to, that it had been modernized, that maybe in fact they used Emily Wilson's translation from 2017, Emily Wilson, woke feminist, who went out of her way to make sure that the women had more attention, that they she changed the language in Homer's Greek epic, you know, that has stood the test time for thousands and thousands of years because they wanted to make something more compatible with modern day.
>> Oh yeah, the ceasefires as well. If it looks like the situation in the Gulf is a hot zone again, >> oh well it seems to be >> I'm not I'm not mad at getting Iran bombed. They should have been bombed long [ __ ] time ago. ification of women and certainly who plays >> the Bush administration wanted to do it but >> they thought they were already stretched too thin which they were in Afghanistan >> Iraq and uh >> all little proxy conflicts that were going on >> that's a dumb [ __ ] >> how you got masters in fine arts and he's talking about you going to hold this hypothetical conversation with Homer Why is there not enough women from what has stood the test of time for millennia to now this >> when you read the Iliad and the Odyssey very little time is spent in perspective of the women.
>> Right. Right.
>> It was written two [ __ ] thousand years ago.
>> Even though for a story that was written that long ago, there's actually a lot of women >> and it's actually and yeah, there's a lot of women. There's actually a lot of female characters in it. film >> a lot of female characters >> takes time to read.
>> She obviously never read Elliot or a >> and so we see in Helen >> Elliot was literally started because of a woman >> both and we respond to it very differently because their experience of it is very different and so for me that was very enriching to to to take the time to >> got masters in fine arts and I'll guarantee she never read either one of those >> we had to read them.
>> I so >> we had to read them. a great job subverting and enriching it for a modern retelling.
And that wasn't the only one. We've also got Samantha Morton who's playing Cersei addresses the vilification of women throughout history and how this film is working to change that.
>> I wake up in >> Yeah, I'm not going to see that movie is going to be trash.
It's still going to do really well because it's a Chrisman film.
I'm not going to see it. I'm not spending my money on that.
>> Just like I didn't go see Tenant because Tenant looked like it didn't make any sense.
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in history women have been vilified whether you're a midwife whether you're a >> man women can make a bad situation stupid people can make a bad situation worse period like generally and I think that that was my take on it but also Chris's interpretation of the original text and then like kind of condensing it >> that's why you just should listen to actors and actresses they're stupid >> and I just work from the text It was all >> there. Stupid people who try to be political >> people in Washington.
>> Who's vilifying midwives?
>> Smart people who try to be celebrities.
>> Are you just talking about having your [ __ ] period? Is that what you're talking? Are you talking about witch [ __ ] >> Are you talking about witch [ __ ] I I don't even [ __ ] know. God said >> celebrities are pretty people who try to be political. I can't wait.
>> Stupid pretty people who try to be political [ __ ] movie >> people in Washington >> right what's going to happen at the >> sometimes smart political people who try to be a very interesting question you know I I could see because I I have such a poor way to judge how the general audience is going to receive this with all these changes is it will it It's not just the women, it's just the whole movie doesn't make sense. Like Christopher Nolan is known for like making grounded movies, but he's trying to make a grounded version of the AI, which is a mythical tale, but is grounded in an actual geographical and historical period of ancient Greece, of classical Greece.
>> And he wants to make it grounded by he made a actual like ancient Greek ship.
an easy billion dollar >> for Odysius and his crew.
>> He's using um music that sounds like it could come from like classical Greece.
>> So that's supposed to make the movie seem more grounded, but there's not one >> actor casted in in the movie who's actually Greek.
>> He race swaps characters for no reason.
Helen of Troy is not a black woman even though she was well known to be a white blonde woman >> in the Iliot and the Odyssey >> and now and her sister is now in her twin.
>> It doesn't make sense to say this is the face that launched a thousand ships and she has a twin which means she's not unique anymore.
>> Doesn't make sense. to race.
>> You use a transgender man to play a Greek soldier.
>> They're using modern modern day American English >> in that classical era type movie.
>> I see so many people saying this thing's gonna flop. It's gonna be pathetic. It's gonna be bad. like all this stuff. And >> um he takes an interpretation of ISC um written by a feminist author as inspiration for his movie.
The movie doesn't make any sense.
It it really doesn't.
Oh, and then Travis Scott is now like the bard because he thinks that hip-hop would be the the music because it's the music of today that in a retelling of of this period, a rapper would be the bard. Like, it's just it's [ __ ] dumb. It's not just about the women. just the whole everything he's doing with the movie just sounds completely com completely asinine.
So I'm not So this is not me women bashing. I just don't like Leita. I don't think I don't think she's remotely pretty and I don't care if people say, "Oh, you just saying because she's a black woman, blah, blah, blah. You're just a sellout.
You're self-hating." Blah blah blah. I'm sorry. She's objective. She's not ugly, but objectively she is not that beautiful. I'm sorry. Like, even if I was still into black women, she would not be my cup of tea.
She wouldn't. She's She's a five.
She is average at best.
And I'm sorry, a dark-skinned woman playing a Helen of Troy just it it it when it comes to movies or fictional uh any sort of work of fiction, there's supposed to be a suspension of disbelief.
But when things go so far astray from a certain fictional story, it is hard to suspend disbelief.
And and it's it's probably a it's a matter probably of psychology just how far people can suspend disbelief when it comes to certain fictional narratives.
But for a lot of people, they're not going to be able to suspend this belief on a tale that was written 2,000 years ago about ancient Greece, about ancient Greek characters being played by people who aren't ancient Greek characters. Not even not are they not only are they not ancient, not only are they not portrayed by Greek people to play Greek characters, they're not even played by people in that in the in the Middle East who would at least look Greek. So it's like so anyway >> due however to a heavy international box office now international box offices usually don't take too well to weird race swapping things in general. So will that still play with this? Who knows?
But the opening weekend for that movie is 82 million. So we are still in that range of around what open to my guess is the Odyssey opens higher than Oenheimer.
That's my guess right now. But remember and I >> Oenheimer was a good movie that was going to flop. It's going to be pathetic. It's going to be bad. like all this stuff. And I I hesitate to make a prediction like that because I know I can acknowledge that the algorithm that I live in and how much attention I pay to entertainment. Of course, I'm seeing this stuff. Of course, I'm seeing these stories. Has this story broken free of our area, our space here on YouTube. It absolutely has. A lot of political talking heads talking about this and a lot of people predicting this to be a massive failure. And I don't know if they're going to be eating their words for that. I 1,000% believe that the comments, the casting, the backlash, it will hurt the box office.
Will it be enough to make it fail? I don't know. And I also for a lot of people that are looking at the second weekend. I also think it should be noted that we do have a track record for Chris Nolan movies. Take Alenheimer for instance, having very good holds in the second weekend. And one of the reasons for that is because the amount of people who want to watch this on IMAX, Chris Nolan toys, IMAX. It's a massive [ __ ] deal. Don't be surprised if you see a lot of IMAX, even if a lot of regular showings aren't sold out, a lot of people waiting to see it for the second weekend on IMAX or a premium screen that they couldn't see the first weekend.
That helps bump that second weekend. I I don't [ __ ] know. I don't have a good prediction.
>> It's going to do great this first weekend. The second weekend, if that happens, it would be considered a disappointment. It absolutely would be considered a disappointment for this movie. not a failure and not a >> I'm not mad at Matt Damon playing Odysius. That's my best guess right now.
>> They mad that it's a maledriven story.
The whole thing is called the Odyssey Odysius has the comments locked like the [ __ ] they are. All of this stuff just continues to generate negativity. And yes, the critics, they love it.
Predictably, they love this movie. I can't say that I'm [ __ ] surprised, but are we really supposed to buy Black Helen of Troy? Are we really supposed to buy that this woman who has pretended to be a man, Ellen Paige, now known as Elliot Page, this woman cosplaying as a man walking? Are we supposed to believe that?
>> And Ellen Paige was cute when she was before she transitioned.
>> Now she just look Now she just looks like a creepy tiny little man.
>> For real. Look, I'll say this right now.
Thank you real dandy88 uh for the for the Jeff.
>> She does nothing. No one in the right mind would cast her even if it was a man. No one in the right in the right mind would cast this mythical man >> as a [ __ ] warrior in this movie.
>> Nevertheless, Ellen Paige now known as Elliot Page has been cast in this.
>> That's why this [ __ ] is ratio black.
Troy.
>> Yeah. And the trailer got ratioed to to hell and people saying it was bots. No, I'm sorry. That wasn't bots. That was just people actually just saying, "Man, [ __ ] this movie." The less likely some of those people will be. Even if Chris Nolan's their favorite director to go see this at the box office.
>> To buy or not to buy. That is their question.
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And another thing, if I was a studio head, I would put a gag order on my on the actors of of an upcoming film so they don't tank this [ __ ] Stop letting Rachel Zgler, Lupita Niango, uh, and all these other charact all these other actors go out. They're supposed to go out and like stump and basically promote the movie, then they say stupid [ __ ] It It [ __ ] agitates half the country. like just give them as a studio head. I'll be like, "Look, we're just gonna give we're gonna give them out these talking points and aside from these talking points, they need to shut the [ __ ] up. Like, don't say anything outside of these talking points we give you." That's all they got to do. As a studio head, that's what I would It'll be like if you want to be in our movies, you going to sign a contract that you are not going to be just talking recklessly when we're promoting a film. Like if we have you under contract for our our studio, you know, to be in X amount of movies, when you're promoting said movies, you will stick to these talking points and that's it. You will not stray.
You know, when reporters come up to you and try to get you with these gotcha moments about how gay is your character or what do you think about the women blah blah blah, they look they they are to not answer these these these questions that people from Variety and the Hollywood Reporter and these other little gay ass uh liberal media wants uh wants to wants to do. That's what I would do.
I'm like, "No, they're not I'm not I'm not gonna let some some [ __ ] self-important actor tank a multi a multi-million dollar movie with their own thoughts and feelings." Like, no, you don't. No, you're paid to You're paid to You're paid to do make make believe. That's it. Shut up.
It's only been a few weeks since Supergirl hit the theaters, and just like so many people expected, it has been a massive bomb. However, the level to which it's bombing, that's something that surprised a lot of people, including the biggest naysayers of this movie. The people who looked at this movie and laughed and said, "There's no way this will be successful."
Even some of us didn't predict that this thing would only hit maybe $130 million globally by the time it's all said and done. Nevertheless, here we are after the first weekend abomination. After the second weekend had one of the biggest drops in the history of comic book movies, period, bar none. At a 77% drop, Supergirl is officially dead. And it looks like it's going to lose north of $200 million for this studio because let's face it, they invested at least $290 million into this movie. So nearly $300 million if this thing even got to $150 million at the box office. They'd only be looking at getting $75 million from the theaters. Right? That's how this works. I know a lot of people don't want to talk about that or don't want to think about that when judging whether a movie succeeded or failed, but The studio only gets about half the money from the box office, a little over half from United States domestic theaters, a little less than half from everywhere else around the world. So yes, this movie is set to lose 200 billion and very quickly >> they're going to pivot to digital.
>> Super digital. The idea that Superman was at the forefront of all the marketing for this movie when he's barely in the movie itself is so telling and also is very telling about the hype for the future of the DC universe which is almost nonexistent.
Nevertheless, >> right, there was more hype for the DCU under Zack Snider and >> the DC EU film suck.
>> The DCU film suck, man. Still, I I still can't stand that movie.
>> How they made a gloomy version of Superman.
>> But even still, >> there was more hype for those films than there was for for these James Dunes.
>> Mr. Alanberg.
What else did we get? DC is prioritizing the Death Broken Bane movie. No director of cast attached yet. Castings reportedly underway for Gorilla Gro in the upcoming Jimmy Olsen series, including the Batman rumor as well. Tom Britney rumored for Batman as Guns DCU Chaos Gross.
>> All of these announcements came out within days of Supergirl bombing. It's just a flurry of random rumors and reports and things like this that are 1,000% set out there from DC studios to try to take conversation away to try to direct conversation away from reality.
>> Yep.
>> That the DCU just bomb.
>> They need a hit. Man of Tomorrow needs man of tomorrow next year needs to do really well.
>> One of the only movies that will outperform probably is Madam Damn. It's not going to even make MorbiiUs money.
>> Oh [ __ ] >> Morbius is better >> sold better than Supergirl. That's sad.
And this was when I was traveling.
>> Morbius at this point is a [ __ ] meme.
This is very very important. A lot of us said that we thought James Gunn was the wrong person to be in charge of the studio because even though I I do like some James Gun movies and I think that you can take his kind of a little bit different eclectic style and put that into an existing universe for something that feels different and you can be a fan of that. I thought he was the wrong dude to run the studio and make all the creative decisions because he does have like rather specific tastes and that's going to be everything.
>> Every movie, every superhero he makes is just a version of Guardians of the Galaxy. You got the predictable needle drops. You got the unlikable heroes that come together to stop to stop the villains. creative clash with director Craig Gillespie. And this was not some >> They're always led by some misfitdit rumor. This is from the Hollywood Reporter, by the way. Behind the Supergirl bomb, competing cuts, creative differences, exclusive. So, let's get into this a little bit. A new bombshell report from the Hollywood Reporter details the behindthe-scenes struggles of Supergirl. reveals that James Gun's DC Studios took a much heavier hand with the film than previously known after creative differences emerged with >> Yep. When people say, "Oh, James Gun didn't direct this." Y'all just y just say James Gun.
>> He did take over creative control of the movie.
>> DC the DCU.
Doesn't this sound like a familiar [ __ ] story and DC executives? Man oh man, the past repeats itself. According to Supergirl suffer suffered through a difficult post-prouction process that eventually led DC Studios to create its own competing cut of the movie bringing in longtime gun collaborators and ultimately chose the studios version over the last piece. The report claims guns clash with one insider telling the outlet they were not creatively aligned is the polite way of describing things.
According to THR Supergot wrapped filming in May of 2025, but concerns reportedly started growing months later.
As early as the fall of that year, so a year ago, the studio in Gillespie knew the movie wasn't working.
>> After a December testing failed to deliver the results, here comes the blame game. The studio reportedly decided to take matters into its own hands and took charge of the post-prouction to make its own cut, which is certainly well within their rights. Now, let me be crystal clear based on everything we've heard about both these cuts. The Gillespie thing is about 10 minutes longer, includes a little bit more of the v villain.
Neither of them scored well. Neither of them tested well. Neither of these was ever going to be a success successful movie. It just wasn't. And that starts at the premise. Adapting Woman of Tomorrow, but not really adapting Woman of Tomorrow. Deciding to to portray the character of Supergirl in this fashion.
And this has >> an unlikable person.
>> She's a drunk. She made some comments that really >> she's an entitled drunk woman. This has nothing to do with that. It has everything to do with the movie they were doing. Period.
>> I don't think whether you take Craig Gillespie's cut or James Gun's interfering cut, I don't think either of these becomes a successful [ __ ] movie because the premise was off from the start. Trying to do what they did with Supergirl was always a bad decision.
Making a Supergirl movie and spending almost $200 million on it was always a bad decision. Making Supergirl the second movie in your DC universe was always a bad You you took us where we are.
>> You took a Ctier superhero to be the second superhero film in your in your catalog in your cinematic universe.
>> This is the guy who is supposed to write the Authority movie. It got subsequently cancelled. So that was so bad they had to cancel that [ __ ] You bring him in to help with this. By the way, the person who wrote Supergirl also wrote for the Batgirl movie, which got [ __ ] cancelled. The person who has no credits for her name, she did help on the >> By the way, the person who wrote Supergirl also wrote for the Batgirl, >> the movie that was so bad they shel his sister in postprouction for re-shoots and things. Oh, isn't that interesting? This is the guy who was supposed to write the Authority movie that subsequently cancelled. So that was so bad they had to cancel that [ __ ] You bring him in to help with this. By the way, the person who wrote Supergirl also wrote for the Batgirl movie, which got [ __ ] cancelled. The person who has no credits to her name, she did help on the Batgirl movie. What a [ __ ] [ __ ] show. While the exact nature of Slater's involvement remains unclear, THR reports that he helped write. I think when Paramount >> completes their merger with Warner Brothers Discovery, >> uh next year if >> James Gun uh next films don't don't do well, Clayface and Mana Tomorrow, I think they're going to fire his ass.
>> James Gun has his hands on everything.
So for people that said, "Oh, you know, it's a different director." They could just keep Peter San as as the as the CEO.
>> He has a very specific eclectic some would say taste >> the soul instead of him being co if you don't like what James Gun likes, you're probably not going to like anything in this [ __ ] universe. That can be a major problem. This man never should have been put in charge of this [ __ ] studio ever. Ever. Ever. Right. And it does go on to list a bunch of stuff, differences they add, the differences between this cut and that cut. Like I said, it's about 11 minutes longer, includ time time, and more time with the villain, which could have helped because the villain was basically another worker. But none of it could have saved this movie from financial disaster. But it does show you that even this early on, there are massive cracks, spiderw webs of cracks all across this universe.
James Gun needs to be gotten rid of. And it's not going to happen until he's done with Man of Tomorrow. And I've said that for a long time. Even before this film, I said it's not going to happen till after Man of Tomorrow. That's when James Gun's officially going to leave the DC universe. Whether have his own accord and some like PR James Guns, he gave us so many good years at the DCU and building this foundation and now he wants to spend time doing better or whether they just [ __ ] fire his ass publicly. Whatever it is, there's no way you can have this man around that much longer. This thing is a complete and total failure in every sense of the word. And now we're seeing all >> I mean he's been in control for five years.
>> One of the biggest bombs we've ever seen for superhero movies.
>> Four years, four and a half, something like that.
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No. Well, actually, I want to see something else first, then I'll watch.
Oh [ __ ] it's for me >> when you shot the get money video. How was that? Like >> I mean, you know, again, I was so green.
Like it's weird because that's that's another I was just about um you know like in this day and age everything like social media and internet and people's perception or whatever like it's really like you don't really have a win in anything and I say that to say like I was just doom scrolling one day and I came across this post and it was just a random post on um you know somebody's page that was like yeah you know big head Charlie Baltimore portraying Faith Evans and give money video and you I've talked about this 9,000 times where you know I always tell people my story which is I didn't I wasn't portraying her in my mind I wasn't portraying her I just >> yeah she said that back in the 90s >> you know uh Big was trying to get me to dye it back but he wasn't telling me why to dye it back he's just like I don't think you should have blonde hair in a video I'm not even thinking about the song lyrics or any of that because I'm young I've never been in a video I don't know like how people like I'm not even thinking about any of that. I'm thinking about I'm about to be in a video and I have fine hair. But I say all that to say I comment on the the post and I just say no that's not true. Like I'm just bored.
I never really ever do that but I was just bored and I was like >> she got Yeah, she's definitely coloring the hair. When I tell you people was it was so many people going in like >> you can always see at the edges right here because I got you know you can see my gray I don't hide them but I do sometimes dye my hair black >> without somebody telling me you know >> as a guy I don't mind having grays >> all that social media stuff like >> you can always see them at the temples you can always see a little bit at the temple like it's hard to get all of that unless they unless you get it professionally done >> you can always see a little bit of trying to, you know, I mean, give a person their real version of any story because someone's always going to create >> I had a grades when I was in my 20s. So, >> like, um, I mean, as far as the get money video, like you said, it was it was fun. I didn't I had a good time. I had never been in a video before. So, you know, it was a new experience.
>> I didn't realize like years later because there was no social media back then. I didn't realize like years later people would be like, "Oh, she's, you know, she's being faith or whatever."
I'm like, "Definitely not what I was doing." But it is what it is.
>> And Biggie talked about that way back >> when the video came out back in the 90s.
He said she wasn't making fun of Faith.
>> Big He would have betrayed Faith, but he didn't tell.
>> No, he wasn't. Because if that was the case, he wouldn't have kept telling me to not to dye my hair dark. He was like, "De your hair, you know, back black or dark or whatever." And I'm like, "No, it's too hard to get it blonde." And, you know, I was just stuck on it.
Your local Michael Jackson fan >> then I probably would have did it. But I'm not thinking about any of that because I'm young and I'm green and you know, I don't know. I've never been in anybody's video. I'm just excited to be in a video. I'm not thinking about anything else. Not lyrics, not people's perception of it. I'm I'm just not thinking about that. It's just not what was on my mind.
>> So, >> was he open with you about how he was messing around with little Kenna?
>> Um, I mean, Faith obviously I knew about. He said they were separated, but Kim I didn't know about for a while.
I didn't know about that for a good good while.
>> How did you find out respectful?
Um, I'm trying to remember.
Huh?
Uh, I think we were um I think we were on a road or something.
I'm trying to remember exactly what happened.
I think I think this I think we're on a road or something and >> just let you know folks if your message is hell for review I'm not looking at it >> let you know that right now I stopped looking at the message hell for review it's never been rewarding to do so >> well that's not true every once in a while something be held for review that doesn't that I find it's fine but for the most part I don't need to look at them >> I'm If if it's if it's helpful review by someone that I that already know and >> trust, >> then I'll open it up. Otherwise, um >> he's got, you know what I'm saying?
So, of course, he's not he's not, you know, he's not logically knowing how to deal with these type of situations. So it was just always chaotic when it came to like especially women like you know again I really I don't hold bridges about any of this stuff. It was just stuff that we did. We were kids and it is you know I mean it is what it is.
It's really not that deep.
>> Yeah. When you look at it now it's like they were like in their early 20s.
>> The scientists and engineers that support the next mission to Mars.
>> We saw them as grown. Well, us Gen X's because we were kids too. We were teenagers watching this stuff unfold.
So to me, so to us it seemed like grown folk stuff. Now I'm looking at it. That [ __ ] was so juvenile.
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>> She's not objectively she's not that pretty. She's really not. And she is ghetto. I mean, she has a [ __ ] she has a she has [ __ ] criminal record.
What did y'all think about this whole situation? Normally I don't care, but a woman with a criminal record, that's a like a guy might I'm going >> if a guy has a criminal record, depending on what it is, who cares? Like he made a mistake.
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>> But a woman with a criminal record >> is like a twoart thing for me.
>> That's that's that's a nogo for me, son.
>> Of course she's ghetto thing. It's like >> people just mad because they thought Clay was gonna be another Russell Wilson and he's not. They thought he was going to be on some lightkinned [ __ ] but he's on the city [ __ ] >> Only degenerate women are these lowass women. But if you really look at like the Jasmine Crockett and Kla Harris and like I said, Megan Estallion, these women are educated women and they're very degenerate and they think because they're educated, because they have degrees, because they make money that they can act however they want and men should accept it. And they just don't understand that like those are not the standards of men. Those are the standards of the the government or or society that put those standards on you.
But those are not the standards of men.
Which is why like it it just goes right back into like feminism and how they have tricked they have completely tricked women when it comes to like how they're thinking about a lot of these issues, you know. So, um with the >> name the simple fact is Michael was I don't know if I can say that again, but men do not like, okay, they will entertain you. They will sleep with you.
They will might even make you a girlfriend, but when I tell you they won't make you a wife, they will not make you a wife. You will get discarded.
And it's because of your behavior. It's because of how you carry them yourself.
And men actually care about how other people think about their spouse. Believe it or not, they do. Okay? They don't want to have some girl that everybody think is a hook on their arms. It just don't work like that. and women want to think how they think things should be rather than how they are.
>> What about you, L?
>> Yeah. Yeah. You know, I think the issue with Megan Nest Stallion is that, and we said this in one of our um posts, but the issue with Megan the Stallion is that she has this image on like her professional image is of she, you know, she talks about she raps about tricking men, uh turning tricks, like being a pimp, pimping out women. She talks about prostitution culture, but then she's simultaneously trying to have a relationship with Clay, who's a standup guy who comes from a normal household with like a normal upbringing. And she's trying to also have her cake and eat it, too. She wants to uh scissor Cardi B on stage. She wants She wants to have her entire ass out all the time. She wants to dress like be completely butt crawling out of the mouth of a snake.
Ands to be, you know, who's unbridled and be this loud uh barbaceious woman in this feminist woman, but then on the same time she wants people to take her seriously as like a as someone cooking Thanksgiving dinner as you know some like housewife all of a sudden play can turn into a housewife and everybody knows that that can't happen. And so I think my problem with Megan the Stallion is why doesn't she just like curate her uh person or her image and her brand more.
>> Someone said me food messed up Clay's three-point shot. Lol down the road. I think she's like creeping up on say her food messed up this and the fact that she is still, you know, getting into her 30s. She's becoming an older woman and she's still not figuring out.
>> She also lied on Tory Lanes. That's why I don't [ __ ] like her >> because I was I believed her at first when that whole thing came out.
Seriously. And instead of going through that, >> I thought he was just a little loser hip-hop artist.
>> First of all, I like a lot of his music.
Two, >> she was she lied. [ __ ] that [ __ ] >> Big horse looking ass [ __ ] >> And taking shot wherever she was and doing this whole I'm back outside thing.
It was like this was so predictable.
Like when we assumed this like this old idea, she's going to turn into a nun now. Yeah. Okay. So I agree with y'all 100% that uh Louise Perry um she did a book is but she uh did a critique of sexual liberation movement and she was saying that what's happening right now what we're seeing with these type of situations are women are uh conflating men's sexual shortterm interest versus long-term sexual interest and and they're complaining those as one and the same. And I'm like, we know short time, not a long time. Like we we know fun for the night. Like, you know, only when I'm on vacation there. I think what it is is there are men, and Carmen may be right about this. There are some men that have lowered their standards where they there are examples where women have have married out after acting this way and behaving this way. Kanye's the worst example imaginable. But basically, what we're saying is there's a small small percentage of men that's created the illusion that this is something that other women can now follow. It's the fact that Clay was even in the relationship with her is what gave a lot of these ladies hope. If if if all men didn't if all men didn't move like that, then I think that maybe more and more women wouldn't see this as a viable option. But when you got guys that's willing to bail ladies out and ignore a lot of this stuff until they don't. When these ladies are in a relationship, a lot of young girls and women are like, "See, there's a payoff." Um, I've heard women I think I've even heard some of you ladies maybe say like we see what guys like. We see what they comment on.
We see who they follow on social media.
The problem again is a lot of that is short-term sexual uh instant gratification. That's not every woman that I like, every woman that I find sexually attractive, I'm going to want to bring around my mom around my kids or my church. And for whatever reason, I don't know why they're complaining that, but it's um it's sad to see. So, I want to ask you a much serious much more serious. Uh >> can I just respond to that?
>> I want to say something too.
>> Okay, you go first.
>> No.
>> Okay, I'll go. I got >> um what I wanted to say is you said like well you know what men respond to online like liking of like you know women that are more explicitly or like dressed in bikinis or whatever they're more provocative online that men like that. I think this is why fathers are important because fathers groom and teach their sons the difference between a and a house wife, right? He teaches their sons the difference between a woman what a woman that respects herself looks like and what a woman that doesn't respect herself looks like and how that's going to apply when you pick the mother of your children. But when men don't have fathers that are active in their life like Kanye, they start to, in my opinion, they start to conflate what femininity actually is and what a a true good woman actually is. Maybe they don't know exactly what that looks like. And and in and from my experience, it seems like sometimes when men are raised by a single mother, they have kind of like this tunnel vision where they can't think objectively about their single mother and like the decision she might have made to become a single mother or the way in which like her behavior was towards her father to why her father didn't or why their father didn't marry their single mother. And sometimes it's almost too hard to really go into because now now it's emotional. Now you're talking about my mama. So it's almost like a wall, a fire wall that's shut off in their own psyche that they won't break through that to analyze what's really going on in that.
>> People should look to the celebrities for normal when they're picking a mate and when they're picking out um the woman that's going to be like their live in their own little bubble. How they get like sexual >> the tide boosted test smell like work >> stinks.
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>> The teeth are sensitive cuz they're porous.
They need >> sexual arousal and how they get like that um that satisfaction from women.
It's it's very conflated when you don't have a healthy relationship with your mother and a healthy relationship with your father who can groom you and kind of teach you some of those things. So I would respond to that by saying um I think the men that marry like these and that marry these like Kim Kardashians for example are going through kind of like what I was explaining where they haven't really had a proper development or understanding about what true femininity is. Just like the women that might be their counterparts may not have had a good example of what femininity means or what it means to really be protected by a father type figure. You know what I'm saying? So they choose wrong.
>> Yeah. What about to say?
And I was gonna say and then on on part of the women not knowing the difference between um like men that will treat them like a whole versus wife them. I think just on the me men's part I think I'm starting to see a lot of men that are are falling victim to like their sexual appetite right where they are letting this this this like like looseness with in how they deal with their penis.
They're allowed. This is what this is why the Epstein files exist, right?
Because men are are are becoming like sexual deviants even with the red peel movement, right? I I like the red peel movement. I think a lot of things about the red pill movement, it's like it's like feminism, but much like feminism, what you're seeing happen with the red peel movement, it's turning into this like polygamous like movement where now men are talking about having multiple women. So now their way, >> you know, so like both parts. This this is why the the foundation of the family is important because even when you did like like a hoe, you wouldn't be publicly seen anywhere near her. You wouldn't like you wouldn't publicly like a photo. That's something you do in the dark while you were under your sheets, you know, >> where nobody is watching. And that's where men are going wrong because they're coming outside with these pores.
other women are seeing it and they're like, "Oh, so then like now >> I remember that in like the late 2010s when the music was like I'm in love with the stripper." Remember that song dropped? I remember that because I was like in college and I was, you know, out and, you know, going out and partying and stuff like in college and I remember >> when that song was playing, I was like it registered in my brain like it's almost like the industry had programmed men to be so overly sexualized with the music and you know whether it's you know does does art imitate life or does life imitate art. It's almost like the also the music that was strategically marketed to black America, black people, but really mass appeal in, you know, the nation in the world in general. But it has a certain destructive nature to it.
And it's almost like why is the industry pushing out this media and this material, the stimuli to curate a culture that is overly sexualized and that is encouraging men to be sexual deviants. And then you see the leaders of that movement come out like Diddy, like R.
Like these are people that were raised with single moms and are unable to um uh have any type of like refrain like refrain from any type of like sexual devian. You know what I mean? Like they they lack that ability to regulate themselves in that way which is telling when men are raised in my opinion by single mothers. Like a lot of guys that I know that are raised by single mothers also have this aspect of they're addicted to women. Um they're addicted to uh more provocative women that you know are more um sexual or that are more um seductive.
>> Yeah.
>> In comparison to men that grow in my from my experience men that grow up in uh nuclear families that may still be attracted to those women but they're not going to be seen in public with them.
>> Yeah. Yeah, that was always, especially historically, like y'all said, it was always a standard of kind of knowing where she fits behind the scenes. That wasn't someone you were kind of carrying around. Now, in today's world, especially with just the manosphere and guys, you know, putting out all this advice and feedback and recommendations and whatnot, um, I think the differentiating factor for guys that still choose to engage in the meallions and party of the world, um, most of them are just now deciding between if they're they're going to marry her or not. And if they're going to give her a kid or not. The sex is just a given. And I think that the guys who are kind of wisening up, they're either drawing the line at, well, I'm not at least I'm not going to do is marry her. Or most guys, or some guys are starting to be like, you know, I got to be a little bit smarter because, you know, I could throw my life away. This could come back to haunt me. Uh Shannon Sharp going through this. A lot of guys have gone through this when they're picking from a pool of women who's already selling the box. You got to assume at some point you're going to get one that wants more than just the money you offer. So I think that you know those examples in which all are talking about I'm starting to see a trend of guys starting to acknowledge and even publicly outing and saying like listen man this is our daughters the women in the culture the dating pool is changing because we are feeding into this only fans wouldn't be this big if men wasn't paying for it. So I I totally you know in agreement with you and the worst part is like when you've been a guy that's been on both sides of the aisle you can see how hard it is to get this to change. And what I mean by that is the average guy if it's available um he'll take it. I if she's attractive, if she's clean, uh he'll take it. And it takes a while. And usually is age, maturity, and even upbringing. That's a major factor to why guys will either not go into that or grow out of it. And I realize now the reason why at least when ladies are like, well, guys are sleeping with all these women and they're running putting up these crazy body counts.
That's because that's the that's the that's the floor. That's the new baseline where it's like I don't you know I can get I can get you pregnant before I may even get you to even want to marry me. So that's the new standard.
So you know I do think that collectively as more and more women start to wake up and realize the bar actually can raise it. Women just want to raise it. But if you but if it's as simple as what you do in text, I mean then that's what the the guys that get away with it are going to use. if it's just a couple likes, if it's a if it's a steakhouse dinner and that and that's it, you know, I mean, there's going to be a percentage of men that's always going to take you up on that offer. So, I do think and again, this isn't as simple as one lady can change this. This is a you having your standard doesn't mean anything if the 99 women behind you don't have any. So, I think that there's there's there's definitely room for both sides to definitely change with this.
Um, but I appreciate what y'all have had to say up until this point.
meaning he disagrees with them. That was a nice way to disagree with them, though.
The University of the People who I'm partnering with for this video rethought a way to approach education to make it more accessible for people and to >> Dennis do a reaction video to O Jackson.
I'm going to watch this.
>> It's going to be enjoyable >> cuz they both like to roast people. like we're doing something.
>> This should be interesting.
>> This is not 1986, okay? This is not 1996 when we were walking around with Africa unite, fight the power. There's been a lot of growth that has happened amongst black Americans over the past several years.
And part of that growth is accepting the reality that a lot of these African and Caribbean folk but but you know Caribbeans share the same issue but specifically the Africans uh have been um you know they don't we're not >> Senor Squeaky says hey how was your fourth?
>> It was fine. I didn't I didn't do too much. I >> I I did what I stated I was going to do.
I was just going to binge watch the Captain America trilogy.
and had some food. It was too hot to cook out. So, >> she is really about using the word. I want you all to listen.
Black Americans don't recognize that we're different people. Listen to what this lady has to say.
>> Man, see you got to go through.
Unbelievable.
Damn.
You're right.
Oh, I was going to say uh >> I want you to understand you got this African from the continent who's sitting there insisting on being called calling a FDA are hungry anyway and you got a sense of thing that's not something that needs to be coming out of your mouth because you don't have the shared experience that we do.
>> Exactly.
>> We may unfortunately still use that word as a term of endearment but we don't want Africans or anybody else even for all the white people listening to this broadcast. You listen to a lot of hip-hop, especially that East Coast hip hop because I knew was popular. But you have to understand a lot of those East Coast rappers, they were either from the Caribbean or they had a lot of Caribbean or African influence. They were not foundational black Americans. They weren't black America. That is not a term that we use as a term of endearment. It was it only became popular because of that hip hop culture.
>> That's not true. Come on. Respectfully, >> black FBA have been calling each other [ __ ] >> They will treat it as man since at least the early 1900s.
>> It would be no different than um you know calling a Jewish person a slang name or Irish person a slang name or a racial epatal person a racial epat. They do not take kind to that. And that you guys know you watch old school maf know what I'm talking about. But for this African person from the African continent to refer to this black American >> but yeah respectfully I disagree with Dennis FDA black folk have been using the been using the inbomb to refer to each other since at least the early 1900s. I appreciate you're good sport.
>> Yeah, we just be [ __ ] with people. We do comedy, too. So, that's the main thing.
>> Yeah, I know.
We got to But it's inappropriate. It's inappropriate. It shouldn't have been used. I like the way she did that. I tell people all the time, don't we don't I don't operate like that. And the other thing you have to understand is that um you know not all black >> at the same time you should not be automatically triggered by the word. It is not there's not a magical word that that should automatically trigger a a fit of rage.
>> They don't move to places like >> unless you let it. They move to Houston.
They move to DC. They move to Dallas where they're already other black people are so that they don't have to try to build America like we did. Check this out.
We're turning up the temperature on big on our >> ninja. My ninja.
My ninja. My ninja.
>> When you need to pull over.
>> My ninja. My ninja.
>> After a day of pulling over, there's a window.
>> Where there's a window, there's a way.
>> My ninja. My ninja. You can't just ninja. You got you have little room for error. Look at the air return. What do the black Americans, the Caribbeans, the black British, what are they calling us to do when we come there? What exactly? And do what else? And build and train and to do what? Let me give you the Ugandan perspective. What are you what? What's the what's what's the stand? What are you adding on us?
What you going to say?
What if the South Africans had >> for you all who don't know this gentleman name is O Duke Jackson's very popular YouTuber in the black sector of YouTube and uh he lived in Africa different various countries in Africa and he has this program called the King Dang channel very informative I actually saw this clip I think it was on Instagram or I'm not sure Tik Tok but he goes into some great detail about the contrast between how black Americans are treated when we are in Africa and how uh Africans or their expectations when they come to the United States >> ask the question what's the question >> what are you adding on us and if you're going to say listen okay we failed the system you're right but what are you adding on us because when they look at me as a black American in Uganda even though Uganda is not South Africa what do they ask >> that's all they ask so our situation is what it is but you're foreign here so what >> I didn't add anything on what is there.
It is very difficult to say, well, you're looking at the wrong person because I don't see the wrong person.
What I see is you. And I may not be educated to see that, but I see you and I see that you're not adding anything on me. So now I see that cuz you're next to me. You're in here, bro, where I live.
See, me and TJ don't live. We don't interfere in African business. But if you set up a shop in my business, I see you. You're >> When black Americans go to other countries, we mind our business. We don't get involved in their politics. We we we don't get involved in what they whatever they have going on. We keep our head down mind our business. We're there for the food and sand and the beach and the chill environment. We're not there to change things. When Africans come to this country and Caribbeans also, they want to get all involved in our politics, run for office, etc., etc. Just really get off into our business.
>> Pretend to be the first black president.
>> The culture of the country that presents a problem.
>> So, you're here with me. Why are you not? Why are you not in what's the other neighborhood there? You're here with me, but you're not adding anything on me.
And then you're telling me I should be focused on somebody else. I don't want to hear that [ __ ] I don't want to hear that one African [ __ ] What the are you doing here? That's how I feel about you.
And again, both things can be true at the same time. And so what I'm saying at the same time is >> Oh sh let them have it. You know, it's like you come to the United States, you get off in our business, you come over there, you're not anything to us. But what you want to do is you want to um tell us how things should be run in our country. And you're just not equipped to do that because you don't understand the culture and you you you don't understand uh you don't understand what the forces are that you the political forces you're dealing with.
And so you make you're just making a bunch of missteps. But uh let's continue with you guys know this. This guy's name is uh Donald McConnell. This this gentleman I think one of his parents is from Panama. The other one is from uh I don't know what other countries, but he's running for governor of Florida.
And I want you to listen to what he has to say about reparations. And the first thing you should ask, why isn't any of this guy's business? But listen, listen.
>> Um my mother's Jamaican, my father's panameanian. You have a lot of black people in this country who are not descendants of the American slave trade.
>> So I already know off top there's a lot of black people in in America who aren't going to be able to get that kind of benefit.
>> Reparations for >> they're not FBA. They shouldn't get it.
>> If you're not foundational black American, you shouldn't be No, you don't get reparations.
>> You're not part you're not one of us.
>> So you got a a Caribbean first generation immigrant who's in this country.
uh walks amongst foundational black Americans.
>> I I love Caribbeans, love African folks, love Afro Latinos, >> but when it comes to our political interest, >> those are separate.
>> And this is why a lot of black, >> we are our own group with our own political and cultural interest.
>> And we're getting why we're delineating.
>> It's not just about whether you're black or not. We want to know what is your lineage. Nobody wants to hear a Jamaican panameanian talking about black people shouldn't get reparations >> because you don't get it. [ __ ] you.
>> You're not part of us.
>> Going on for a while.
>> You call me ignorant.
>> No. No. Cuz you don't you don't >> What makes you think you have a right to my birthight? Why are you even talking to me about it?
>> So why do you feel like I can't talk to you about it?
>> Because you really have no claim to it.
So if you if you're not contributing to the conversation and you're not helping and you're down to me, you should really shut >> because I'm African. I don't have a claim to it. Yes, you don't.
It's called American Descendants of Slaves. My G.
>> I was born in Texas.
>> My G. It's called American Descendants of Slaves. Your parents are not American descendants of slaves. Your parents are from Africa. Correct.
>> Yes.
>> That means you have no They didn't pick no cotton here. They wasn't brought over here slavery. They just got over here the last generation. What the [ __ ] are you talking about? You just turn this into whatever the you want to. Are you trying to disrespect?
>> So let me respond. So let me respond that >> the people you're talking about a large part of them were African.
>> Okay.
>> And they had children who are descendants of those Africans.
>> 400 years ago argument is that well their children >> it's called ethnogenesis. My >> children or their children were captive and sold. They should be compensated for losing their ancestor or their >> foundational black Americans or American descendants of slavery, >> okay, >> are a are their own group of black people because of ethno because of ethnogenesis which created a completely different lineage of black people.
>> As a matter of fact, we were known as black people before the others were known as black. Anyway, >> I want you. But you see the You see the nest this creates? You got all these Africans over here and all these Caribbean folk over here.
>> This is why we need to delineate.
>> They going to jump in and say, "Well, I'm oppressed, too. I've been My parents have been here since 1997 and we have an experience, >> right? Is that ninja blackjim on top of that they didn't fight in any war >> they didn't fight in the civil war they didn't have >> you know black people in America have fought >> since the have fought in every in almost every colonial skirmish in America except maybe two of them >> foundational black Americans to have to entertain >> because they didn't they obviously didn't want slaves fighting in and two of those skirmishes but in almost every conflict in in every colonial conflict in every colonial war in America we have fought including the very first one in modern day New Mexico.
>> Yeah, but it's offensive >> back in the 1500s.
>> Black Americans recognize it as nothing more than what it is. It's just a straight straight up scam. You see what I mean? And we don't like that. It's a scam. Can we all just admit that it's a scam? They they feel like black America, they want everything.
Somebody got destiny swap. It's like they want a destiny swap. Look, I know you got I know I know you have black African friends. I know you have >> Yeah, I got black African friends, Caribbean friends, Afro Latino friends.
>> It's about the collective group.
Ain't no harm in laundry.
>> Delineation doesn't mean >> fresh produce delivered daily to the >> delineation doesn't mean you you no longer like these people. Just means, you know, we're stating we're not the same folks.
Anywh who, uh I'm going to end this here. It's about 7:30 Eastern Standard Time and uh I'm going to go grab something to eat before I wind down for the evening because I get up early. So I use try to get to bed by 9 and I've been doing that pretty faithfully the last few days but because of the heat it usually still takes me a while.
Um but um till then guys talk to you later hopefully or know some of you might watch this on uh replay which is cool with me. I need more water too. The AC is still work is working now but the heat rises to the top of the house. So it's still hotter here on the second floor than it is on the first floor or obviously the basement where it feels nice. So, and the kids [ __ ] up the basement. So, the basement used to be my chill spot. Like, literally my chill spot, but you know, the kids [ __ ] that up. And their mom with all that junk. So, no one chills down there.
That was where the big TV was.
Sit there sit down there watch Game of Thrones or Walking Dead or MCU MCU movies or, you know, whatever.
Um, hopefully we get all that trash out of there and go chill in the basement again.
So, I'm out. Peace.
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