Dave Smith | The War Goes On | Part Of The Problem 1400

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[00:00:06]Hello everybody and welcome to a brand new episode of Part of the Problem. I am Dave Smith. He is Robbie the Fire Bernstein. How are you today, sir?

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[00:02:55]>> Hell yeah. All right. Well, let's get into some stuff. Rob, starting to think the war is not over.

[00:03:03]I've been piecing little bits of information together and it just hit me this morning. I was like, I don't think the war is over and I'm starting to suspect that it is in fact a war. I know this sounds like crazy talk, but I guess the major thing is that uh we bombed Iran last night. So, that didn't seem good. Now, the US is claiming that this was a uh a defensive strike, as they put it, which really stretches the layman's understanding of the word defensive, but you know what I mean? Like, it's kind of hard to launch a war of aggression and then claim you're being defensive. But anyway, the claim uh Rob is that the claim from Sentcom is that they struck like um a a ship that was putting uh water mines in the straight of Hmoose and that then they had to attack like a a rocket system that was aiding that, you know. So essentially they're saying they were blocking the straight of Hmoose. But then of course that Rob doesn't seem to jive very well with the fact that the president claimed way back this weekend. I understand it's as far as Tuesday now and then I got to go back to the weekend but this weekend he claimed that we were on the precipice of this major deal where the straight would be opening up and if Sentcom's claim now is that the Iranians were um you know putting water mines in the straight I don't know. It doesn't look great. It doesn't seem like we were about to have this thing open.

[00:04:39]So, it I don't know. It seems right now, but as the dust settles, we're right back to where we've always been. We're right back right back to the same [ __ ] spot.

[00:04:50]>> Um, look, these storylines are particularly tough to follow as every single week we get we're close to a deal and then a strike.

[00:04:59]So, it's unclear exactly what's happening. Uh if yesterday's reporting was true in terms of just how much Donald Trump was willing to give up in order to come to the end of this war, it does not make sense to me that Iran would then be out there laying mines uh when part of the agreement is that they're reopening the straits and reopening the straits with Iran able to sell oil is in Iran's best interest. So, it did not make it doesn't make a lot of sense to me that if yesterday's reporting was true uh with uh all of the walkbacks that Donald Trump had made that Iran would be out there uh mining the straits. Now, as to whether or not that is what happened, I can't tell you, but it just doesn't it just doesn't sound it sounds like Donald Trump was torching his own potential peace agreement here because uh he took enough flak from the right-wing the you know the war the war party hardliners.

[00:05:52]Well, you know, it's like um the Professor Pap guy who run runs the escalation trap Substack, which is very good and and absolutely worth reading.

[00:06:01]He's an interesting guy to listen to.

[00:06:02]You know, he's been saying this whole time that we will keep going up the escalation, you know, ladder. Um because essentially Trump's trapped into that.

[00:06:12]Now, I've been I understand the point he's making. I've been a little hesitant to really agree with that and and perhaps I'm wrong on this. I'm still a bit hesitant. We've talked about this, Rob, but I just broadly speaking, like do I see Donald Trump actually putting boots on the ground or using a nuclear weapon or like what? No, I don't think so. That still seems just too crazy cuz it's just such certain disaster behind door number two.

[00:06:39]But the thing that does like lend credence to that theory is that we've seen now Rob several different times where Donald Trump has come out and well like for example when he when he first announced the ceasefire and he said he accepts the 10point plan and we were all like yo the Iranian 10-point plan is essentially complete US capitulation to Iran. So that's kind of crazy. He's really saying he's going to accept that.

[00:07:07]And then he got so much heat from the Israel lobby that he and just, you know, in general from a lot of the the Iran hawks that he backed off of that and he went, "Well, no, I can't look like a [ __ ] like that." And it seems like that's kind of what just happened again.

[00:07:22]He again said, "We're real close to to negotiations. We we have, you know, it's not even like they have a deal here, Rob. No, no one's even pretending we really have a deal. There haven't been face-to-face negotiations since JD Vance and and Witoff and and uh Kushner met for 24 hours or or whatever in Pakistan and they said that led to nothing and those were the last time there were face to face negotiations. They're not even claiming we're coming up with a nuclear deal or anything like that. What they're claiming is that we're very close to working out a memorandum of understanding which will serve as the framework for negotiations to start again. and then hopefully months into that we could come out with a deal. So it's not like we're close to a deal, but that's the way Trump, you know, talks about it. But once again, Donald Trump kind of goes, we're close to a deal. The military realities right now, however you feel about it, the realities are making a deal with the Iranians is going to involve us not getting any of the war aims. Like that's just not happening.

[00:08:23]And so when he signals that again, again, he gets embarrassed again. people call him out on it and again he goes back to bombing and so again I'm not saying we're going to get to boots on the ground. I still don't think we are.

[00:08:36]I still if I had to call this I do think at some point Trump just quits. I I'm hoping that's the case but I got to say it does. As I said it lends credibility to that theory when you you're watching it. You're watching him try to get out and then get sucked back in, you know.

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[00:10:12]>> Yep. I'd also just like to if we could have a little bit more actual evidence of the fact that Iran was out there laying mines uh while these negotiations supposedly are taking place. And uh even if they were, you know, America did uh uh move into a blockade position during the last time that there were negotiations going on. So I don't know that there's I mean I guess there's a difference of a mind versus a blockade, but uh it just seems like Donald Trump is walking back yesterday's potential peace plan.

[00:10:41]>> That's my That's right. I think you're right. I mean, he got embarrassed and now he's trying to cover it up with, you know, Well, look, that's what we were saying yesterday. The the demand that everyone join the Abraham Accords is clearly just to sabotage the whole thing. I mean, this that's ins it's difficult enough to just get a a memorandum of understanding right now.

[00:10:58]But to throw that in and and look, to be clear, he said it was mandatory that they join the Abraham Accords and that Iran has to do it as well. Just think about that. the idea that you're trying to get Iran to recognize Israel.

[00:11:12]>> I don't think it was actually hardline demand of Iran. I think it was more it would be nice if Iran did this, too.

[00:11:18]>> Yeah, I guess maybe you're right. Maybe it was a little bit. He said it was mandatory of the other Gulf states. And maybe you're right about that. Maybe I'm overstating to say it was mandatory for Iran, too. But even just the idea of Iran getting in the Abraham Accords is this is a non-starter, obviously. Then the other thing which of course um we've covered quite a bit of and that makes us very anti-semitic to uh to even talk about this uh we are obviously self-hating Jews. Um, but look, the the other major factor here is as we talked a little bit about yesterday, but this is just look and I guess the waters are a little bit muddied on this because the Trump supporters like the vocal Trump supporters at this point just have lost all, you know, certainly have lost all of my respect. Um, but they're they'll just defend him no matter what. And so if you remember, Rob, if you're old enough to go way back a few weeks ago, um when when the ceasefire was first announced, okay, and the, you know, the ceasefire, which most of this war at this point, we're going on three months, and it's the majority of this war has been in the ceasefire period. The it's the straight of Harmus and our blockade of their blockade has been the action.

[00:12:33]Obviously yesterday we went back to some bombing but we haven't gone back to the major bombing campaigns that we had in the beginning of the war but when the ceasefire came about as you remember Rob Lebanon became the big sticking point and um Israel uh attacking Lebanon that Israel was to cease attacking Lebanon as part of this ceasefire. The Iranians made this very clear. The Pakistanis confirmed that this was part of the ceasefire agreement. Then Rob, if you remember, Donald Trump came out and said, "Israel is forbidden to attack Lebanon." And oh my god, did all of the Trump supporters say, "See, this proves it. This proves that Israel isn't calling the shots because Donald Trump just stepped up and told them they are forbidden to attack Lebanon."

[00:13:23]and in the few weeks since then since then Israel has not only ramped up the attacks on Lebanon but at every opportunity publicly announced that they are escalating the campaign against Lebanon including again just this weekend restating that they're so again this is just the game that all the people who want to defend Donald Trump play they make this claim that turns out to be objectively wrong and then they move on none of them are coming back to that and going oh Yes, it proved that Israel isn't pulling the strings when Donald Trump said you're forbidden from doing this thing, but it doesn't prove anything that they just went and did the thing anyway. And by the way, the thing is putting this whole goddamn ceasefire in jeopardy. Like, how do you what do you what do you describe that as other than a foreign country dragging us into war?

[00:14:17]I think uh we're back to square one, which is the only way out of this is restraining Israel and uh giving Iran the victory of uh probably tolling the straits and uh uh being able to sell oil to other countries. But uh Donald Trump's not not willing to admit that defeat yet.

[00:14:35]>> Yeah. Yeah. And um I I guess the thing and this is what this this is uh why there are so many conspiracy theories and um this is why they will continue to persist is that nobody can exactly explain why it's there's just this inability to do that because you know like it it was clear let's just say at the very least at the point when we pivoted to a ceasefire blockade of their blockade.

[00:15:10]Okay, it was obvious that this isn't working, that what Netanyahu sold is not true. And Donald Trump clearly at this point realized that, you know, when the plan is we're going to bomb the crap out of them and then the people will rise up and overtake their government. And then you bomb the crap out of them and the people rise up and chant death to America, death to Israel. We support the regime. It's hard to say it worked the way you thought it would. And so he had realized already and he knew he had to get out of this because he knew it's a disaster. And clearly he's been trying to and Israel's thwarting that and it does just make you wonder like as as you said the only way out of this is we lose, we make a deal that's worse than the JCPOA. We don't achieve any of the war goals and we have to restrain Israel. That's obvious. And if you're Donald Trump, very clearly all the political incentives would have been like, "Dude, just rip that band-aid. You got to do that." And then you you got to count on the fact that it's a 24-hour news cycle and there's always a new scandal next week and this will fade into memory by the time the midterms come around. You know, that's like your best hope. Not saying that'll happen, but that's your best hope. Yet, they still just can't do that. It seems to be a political reality in Washington DC that it's impossible to reign Israel in. And that just leads to people speculating, well, why the hell is that?

[00:16:34]Why why is a tiny little country that the size of one of our smaller states halfway around the world with a few million people, you know, like how do they have this much dominance over our >> seedless watermelons?

[00:16:50]Yeah. I mean, I guess that's it. It'll go a long way. It is annoying getting those seeds out. It's nice to have a nice seedless watermelon. Um, all right.

[00:16:59]Let's uh let's go to uh Marco Rubio.

[00:17:01]Here was the uh Secretary of State uh and National Security Advisor's thoughts on the latest.

[00:17:13]>> So, I need to be open. What's happening there is unlawful. It's illegal. It's unsustainable for the world. It's unacceptable. Um, I don't know of any country in the world that does it because the Russians are not in favor of the tolling system. The Chinese are not in favor of the tolling system. And there's no country in the world that's in favor of the tolling system except the regime in Iran. So that's not acceptable. That need that cannot happen. The streets need to be open unimpeded without tolls and um and obviously that needs to happen immediately as soon as anything. Can you ask Lero? Um he said in the the readout that he's trying to uh encourage the US to withdraw staff from from Kev. Did you talk to >> Well, they sent a notice to all the embassies and I think he was just calling the person to tell me they've told all the embassies to keep going to be a very dangerous place.

[00:17:59]Ke dangerous place now for a number of years. But the danger in all these wars as they continue and they go on is that they always have the threat of escalation of spreading into something new. So I spoke to him yesterday about that and a couple other topics and u obviously the Putin wanted uh had asked him to call me to relay the message directly to the president which I did but obviously we had already seen the notice sent out to all the diplomatic facilities and I said you know right now there is no active like scheduled negotiations ongoing with Ukraine but the US is always prepared to play a constructive and helpful role that opportunity presents itself.

[00:18:35]>> What about these big >> Oh my god. All right, that's enough. We can cut this off.

[00:18:39]>> You know, Rob, I uh you know, my uh my four-year-old boy sometimes um you know, I'm cute little kid. Uh he'll he likes to uh put on my clothes like he'll put on like he'll get like a pair of my sweatpants and one of my shirts and you have the crazy baggie on him and then he says I'm the daddy. Uh and it's a game he likes to play. It's really adorable.

[00:19:01]Um and and that's it's not so cute when Marco Rubio does it is my point. Like it it is almost and and honestly they're about the same size, but they're it's just there's something that's adorable about a little kid doing it, but really not so cute when it's just like that literally like they're children, dude.

[00:19:18]Just children putting on suits and ties and playing adult. It it is Dude, it's so just fundamentally unserious to um for for your take on this to be uh like you're the [ __ ] national security adviser and your take is it's unacceptable.

[00:19:36]I don't think anyone wants tolls except for Iran. Like, yeah. Oh, okay. Um, I mean, yeah, you kind of are ignoring that they did this in response to the [ __ ] war that you launched and that you brought us to this place, but even leaving that aside, I mean, Rob, 80% 90% of the world lives under tyranny.

[00:20:02]Is that acceptable?

[00:20:04]Well, no. It's it's not accept. I don't know. Would we like it to be that way?

[00:20:09]No. But if the national security adviser to the United States of America is talking about that the what an adult would be talking about is what are our options? You know like yes most of the world is run by dictatorships and you know the their human beings are not guaranteed any sense of natural rights and there's horrific abuses of of you know humanitarian abuses all around the world and I could just say that's unacceptable but then you go yeah but what's the plan what are we going to do invade every country and and and then what then we have to occupy them and nation build and install all the Declaration of Independence, which by the way, we don't even live up to here in our country. Not even close, but we we right. So, it's like the question is what are the logistical realities?

[00:21:02]Oh, okay. At this point, this is what Marco Rubio still has to say. Well, we don't like it. We don't like that the straits closed. Okay. What can you do about that? Because your own Pentagon says it would take six months uh and you could only do it if Iran agreed.

[00:21:18]I think the uh the the part that was striking to me here was his second half when he's criticizing the Ukraine war and he goes, "The problem with wars is that you get strikes and that they continue to escalate." And I'm like, you know, you should really listen to that analysis and maybe apply it to this Iran situation. And I think he goes off uh if I remember correctly, a little bit more on the risk of war continuing. And I'm like, how do you not take that exact statement and now just apply it to this is why we got to walk away from Iran?

[00:21:47]Yeah. I mean, it's just unbelievable, dude. Like that just you even as you say something like that, you go, "Yeah, wow." Are like, are you just coming to that conclusion? Are you telling me that this wasn't so obvious that Yes, that's something you have to think about before every war. You don't know where this is going to go. Things are unpredictable.

[00:22:06]And even if you got some [ __ ] egghehead child playing grown-up who tells you, "No, sir. We've mapped it out and it's all going to go well." like it may not go that way. And man, if only we had 25 years of examples like that, you like that. It's it's I I remember Obama, I believe it was in his memoir, he wrote um about Libya and I believe he described it as his biggest regret and you know he he kind of went through how he was like 5050. It was like uh I forget exactly who Hillary Clinton was the one who was really pushing it. I think Biden was against it. Um, and I believe, if I'm remembering correctly, I think Gates was for it. I believe Gates was his defense secretary at the time. And um, and and he says in his memoir, he goes, uh, he goes, "You know, the big mistake that I made is not planning for, you know, what we would do the day after Gaddafi was overthrown." You know, like not thinking of that. I remember just Oh, it made my blood boil reading this [ __ ] because you're like, "Dude, we just did Iraq.

[00:23:14]Wait, you're telling me that didn't that you that was an oversight? You didn't ask the most basic question. Okay, we're going to topple this guy, but then what happens?" That wasn't a question. And by the way, the what happens is it turned into a failed state just at literally the most the worst result you could have had. like one of the richer countries in Africa turned into I think still to this day, Rob, they have those open air slave markets where they straight up just sell Africans.

[00:23:44]The most barbaric medieval [ __ ] ever is going on there. That's what happened the next day cuz Obama went, "Oh yeah, should Oh yeah, forgot to think about that."

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[00:26:03]Superpower.com, promo code problem for $20 off your membership. All right, let's get back into the show. Anyway, man, this is uh we're we're at the same place. We're at the same place that we've been, which is essentially that they have nothing.

[00:26:19]There's they're not any closer. You know, I saw uh Scott Jennings, uh the CNN guy, and he said, uh it's so pathetic the way these people debase themselves just defending this nonsense.

[00:26:32]Um but, uh he goes he goes, "Look, they have they have the deal. They've got 95% of it done. He's like, all that's left to figure out is the straight of Hermoose and the nuclear object. You're like, "Oh, is that it? It's just that.

[00:26:48]It's just the two main things." Like, okay, well, in that case, you have nothing. And to even say you're 95% of the way there, we just don't have the Straight of Hermoose or uh Iran's nuclear program figured out. And you're like, "Okay, but then what is the 95% exactly? What are all the other war demands that that uh Iran stops supporting Hezbollah and the Houthies and Hamas? That Iran what? I don't know.

[00:27:15]Because you're not getting any of that either. So, in other words, you gave up on all of that and now you just need to figure out these two things. Neither of which you can figure out.

[00:27:24]>> I've also seen uh Scott Jennings spin it that we control the straits because we have the blockade out there. But controlling something usually >> would mean that your desired outcome is something that you can have because you control the situation. And if our desire is that the straits are actually just open and no one's tolling it and we can't have that, wouldn't that to me indicate that we do not in fact control the straits?

[00:27:48]>> Yeah, it's Oh, of course. It's the most it's the most um dishonest, manipulative like semantics.

[00:27:55]>> We're 90% one and we control the straits. So then I guess they're not much of a threat and the war is over and we can just bring troops home. I mean, if that if all that's true, then we're done.

[00:28:05]>> Yeah. Yeah. I'm sorry. Are we I guess we're crazy for assuming that if that were true, then that would mean the war is over. Also, we had the president of the United States of America told us the war was over last week. But anyway, no, I mean it's on the level of like if somebody if somebody was pinning someone down on the ground and you were like, I demand that you let that person up and they were like, no, we're not going to let the person up. So then you just got on top of the person who was pinning the person to the ground. And then you went, I have total control over this person being pinned to the ground. You're like, yeah, but if your goal was to get them up, then this is counterproductive.

[00:28:45]They're more down than they were before.

[00:28:47]And that's exactly what's happened.

[00:28:48]Fewer ships have been passing through the Strait of Hermoose since the US blockade of the blockade than we're passing uh just under the Iranian blockade. So, okay, we control it. Great job, Scott Jennings. And I know we've talked about this before, but that guy is such a great like little microcosm, like a great little example of how the dialectic works. You know what I mean?

[00:29:14]Like how the kind of they do this thing where you got you get um like five progressive retards and you put them around a table and then you have one Scott Jennings there just not being insane and then that gets him like this street cred. Oh yeah. Have you seen this guy?

[00:29:33]He's so it's I I mean over the years this always just drove me crazy because they were there would always be they got Ben Shapiro is is another example of this where there would always be this thing where even when you agree with them, right? know when we on on let's say culture war issues, we probably largely agree with both of those two guys, you know, but there'd be this thing where like you remember back in the day when Ben Shapiro used to like go to a college campus and then there'd be like some some trans kid would like, you know, like a dude in a dress who's 19 would get up to the microphone and be like, "Well, I heard you say really bad things about trans people. Why don't you recognize me as a woman?" And he was like, "Let me ask you a question. How old are you? And the guy would be like, I'm 19. And be like, okay, why aren't you 90? And he'd go, well, what? Because, yeah, why can't you identify as 90? And then you'd go, well, that cuz you're just objectively not 90.

[00:30:30]And they go, and you're objectively not a woman. And then everyone's like, yes, this dude's on fire. And like it, look, obviously I don't think you can change your gender. And I think the trans hysteria really was insane. But are we really going to celebrate this guy as some intellectual champion just because he could, you know what I'm saying? Like this is anything that like a 10-year-old should be able to do this. And so likewise with Scott Jennings, they get they put him up against these progressive insane people and then conservatives go, "Yeah, this guy is up there battling." But then when it comes down to it, he's just he's awful and he's completely dishonest. He's a total George W. Bush era hack just def just always on the side of launching stupid wars and then goes into complete propaganda mode because he can't just admit the obvious truth which is that oh yeah, we shouldn't have done this. Oh yeah, I was wrong. And why the hell did I think I was right? Why would I think after watching six disastrous wars in the Middle East that I bet this seventh one will be a good idea? I bet this will be the one time that it goes well. just I don't know whatever it's infuriating these guys. Um all right, let's why don't we because we haven't gotten to this. There's a couple things um that we have not given our take on that I suppose we have to uh but we should talk. Tulsi Gabbert stepping down as a director of national intelligence. Um I don't know what what can you say about it? You know when I first I first uh my phone started blowing up this weekend.

[00:32:05]you know, people texting me and and stuff uh that Tulsi stepped down. And I did I my first thought was really like now cuz I just assumed it was over the war, you know, and when you first heard it, it was like, well, I mean Joe Kent had stepped down from her office, but just made no sense to me. I was like, wait, but she didn't she waited all this time to now step down like this. And then of course I saw it had nothing to do with the war. Uh presumably um but that her husband is is very sick.

[00:32:34]Evidently has a rare form of bone cancer and is uh um I heard someone say it was stage 4. I'm not sure if that's accurate though. I didn't hear her say that. I think I I read that somewhere. Um but I I mean I guess first and foremost I'd say it's very sad to hear that. Uh my I lost my grandmother to bone cancer. Bone cancer is [ __ ] horrible. It's extremely painful. It's brutal. Would not wish that on anyone. Um, and so, you know, thoughts and prayers to Tulsi Gabbard's husband. Um, but I guess I can't I don't know. I mean, Rob, what can you say? I mean, so Tulsi Gabbard spent an entire political career, not just largely opposing um regime change wars, specifically opposing regime change wars against the Shiites because she knew the difference between Sunnis and Shiites, and she knew that Shiites had not been the terrorists who attack us. um that we've never had um that Iran has never killed an American on US soil ever. And so that was like she was like that that's not the enemies. And in fact, she even knows enough to know that they fight the terrorists who attack us in America and that Iran is not friends with al-Qaeda and that Bashar uh Bashar al-Assad was not friends with al-Qaeda.

[00:34:02]famously she went and met with Bashar al-Assad trying to prevent the disastrous regime change war that we had there and this war was the war she was against. I mean she literally there's just no she sold no war with Iran t-shirts when she was running for president. like she opposed this specific war and then sat as the director of national intelligence when Donald Trump not only launched the war but then launched another war like she was the director of intelligence uh of national intelligence during the 12-day war and through this one and then it's like this thing Rob where she doesn't she doesn't resign over them launching the war that she spent her whole career trying to prevent ostensibly and now she's resigned anyway. way and still hasn't said a damn thing against the war. I don't know. I mean, look, I'm sorry her husband is is sick and that's terrible and I I hope he makes a recovery or if that's not possible, I hope it's as painless as po, you know, as as possible. Um, but I'm sorry, I'm not going to not comment on the most blatant political betrayal perhaps that I've ever seen, perhaps ever. is even more so than even more so than Donald Trump or Barack Obama or George Bush or lots of people who have run on one thing and then governed in a different way.

[00:35:29]She made this her issue. I this it would almost be like to to even get as big a political betrayal out of Donald Trump.

[00:35:39]It'd be like if Donald Trump had wide open borders right now like the border crisis under Joe Biden and he just wasn't going to do anything about it.

[00:35:46]And you'd be like, "Dude, this was your whole thing. this was her whole thing and she ends up resigning anyway and doesn't even even on the way out doesn't say a word a word about the war. I don't know Rob what that that's it's just crazy. It's like I I don't know that I've ever seen anything like this. You know, like even Bobby Kennedy even when he was asked recently about the um what's the [ __ ] chemical? I can't remember it.

[00:36:13]>> Yeah, that's right. when he was asked about that and he said something like well I wasn't happy about that one but well you know what I mean like even he said something about it um I don't know really I mean I don't know Tulsi Gabbard um yeah she just she really I I don't maybe she gets some cushy positions somewhere I don't see how she possibly can show her face to her like people ever again I don't know what are your thoughts Rob >> uh I'll be less classy than you And uh I'm not saying that her husband doesn't have cancer, that they're not dealing with a tough time, but uh this strikes me like uh hey Donald Trump, I can't stick around for this anymore. What's the easiest way for me to leave without creating a problem?

[00:36:57]>> Oh, husband's got cancer. Just uh say that it's that and we'll go our own way and uh either there's some cushy job for her. Maybe maybe she turns and uh tells tale, but I feel like she made a deal with the devil on this one and now she's walking away with nothing. uh she needed to oppose this thing at the start of it.

[00:37:14]She did not. It's only getting worse and uh I think she doesn't want to be there anymore and uh refuses to actually tell tale and so she's uh she she already did the she already served her part uh and no one's upset with her and she doesn't want to stick around for it. I'm just that that's what I'm speculating.

[00:37:33]>> It's possible. But I guess that in a way >> that's a good way of covering their tracks though of always uh never having to admit fault, defeat, apologize, anything. So, it's just too convenient of a storyline. But what do I know?

[00:37:46]>> Yeah, look, I get what you're saying. I mean, I guess who who really knows? But there is something to it where it's like, look, when Tulsi Gabbard when they launch this war that, you know, Tulsi Gabbard has been against her entire career and she doesn't say anything. I guess the assumption on some level if you're trying to be as charitable as possible, you know, as people would say, well, she's in a very tough position. Um, look, do you want her to step down and then someone much worse ends up getting in there? Or if you're Tulsi, then at least, you know, like people would make these arguments that it's like at least you still have one, you know, level-headed voice in the room. she can try to get the president good intelligence, you know, and so if you're being charitable about it, you go, well, she thinks she can do more good in that position than outside of that position, so she's going to take the reputational hit and, you know, hang on to the power because you could maybe do some good with that power. Now, I don't agree with that argument at all, but that was an argument that some people were making.

[00:38:53]And but then you go, well, hey, even if you have to step down for your husband or whatever. Well, now you're in a position where you can say whatever you want. You're already giving up the power. Someone worse than you will be replacing you. You're not going to be able to do any good with that power. But even then, she doesn't bother to say one word about the war. And like, you know, I don't know. I just I I don't know how you look at that as not like a fundamental betrayal. Like, god damn, man. you get there's just no honor in our political system whatsoever. Like you go around the country, you speak to millions of people, you you promise them that you're going to be here to try to avoid this war and then you just go along with it and don't have [ __ ] to say. I don't know, man. I don't know what the punishment should be for that.

[00:39:41]It shouldn't be your husband getting bone cancer, that's for sure. But there should be some severe punishment to you for that. I mean, it's just horrible. Just absolutely utterly disgraceful. I don't know what else you can say about it. All right, guys. Let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Ultra Pouches.

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[00:41:42]And oh god, I don't even know where to start. So, obviously, you know, we me and you, Rob, we were we got very involved in the Libertarian Party for a few years there.

[00:41:54]me a bit more than you, but we were both fairly involved. And um you know, I I I've I was at the previous two uh national conventions in DC and in Reno, respectively.

[00:42:08]And um you know, I was not at this one.

[00:42:12]There were there were a lot of people I know who were there. Um it was just really sad to watch some of the stuff happen. It's kind of heartbreaking. Um, I mean, the the state of the party is just an absolute mess.

[00:42:26]It's an absolute mess. Um, the state of the membership is really not good. Um, there's and there's there's some good people in the Libertarian Party. Um, but overall the the spectacle that was this last libertarian convention is just it's almost like all factions involved should be able to recognize that that was a gigantic embarrassment. just absolutely, you know, like so the worst thing you could do for the cause of human freedom is to wrap yourself in the name libertarian and then just humiliate everybody who who uses the term essentially and and the fact that there's an inability like okay all the the factional people in the Libertarian party are arguing like no you're the one who made it an an embarrassment. No, you're the one who made it an embarrassment. And it is like a thing is the Family Guy meme. You're like, "Kids, kids, you're both terrible." Um, like you're all embarrassing us. And like I mean I I don't know if you could just recognize that that this is pretty embarrassing.

[00:43:31]It's like well then just stop. Like you guys are not helping. Just stop. Um, I know there are good people in the Libertarian party and I understand that um that a lot of them still show up and still fight to try to get the thing to be better than it is because all things being equal, it'll be better. if that thing is better than worse.

[00:43:57]I would really say at this point people who are um I would say if you're if you're still involved in the Libertarian party and particularly if you're still like putting sweat equity in or you're you're still putting a lot of hours into your work in the Libertarian party, I really think you might just want to question whether that's the best use of your time or not.

[00:44:22]Like what really is the goal here? What is achievable? what are we going to do?

[00:44:28]Because, you know, I look at I I look at some of the stuff I saw this weekend and it's just, you know, Scott Horton gave a great speech there, an unbelievable speech. It was like perfect in the way that only Scott could do. Um, and then he introduced a motion and it failed.

[00:44:44]They didn't get the votes for it. We got our best guy on his topic and then these [ __ ] these members who literally half of them I mean, I don't know what to say. I to say like Scott's forgotten more than they know is an understatement, you know. Um, and then they just make they go, "No, we disagree." Like, "Oh, okay. Here you go." And anyway, I saw Justin Amash gave a speech. Well, I very much like Justin Amos. It It was the most embarrassing bluepilled speech I've ever heard. It's just like like Justin Amos is there to tell the Libertarian Party how to be political winners. And it's like Justin, like dude, you're not a political winner. You got you got chased out of the house. You ran for Senate and got absolutely blown out in your own state. Like you've you burned your political credibility and now you're trying to school these guys to how they should be doing it. And it's just I don't know. Just Anyway, the whole thing to me is really bad. Uh they they evidently put a really embarrassing guy in his chair now.

[00:45:51]What can I tell you? I just I I really, you know, I think let these guys who want to have the Libertarian Party, let them have their little femom. They are going to do nothing with it. They they're going to remain irrelevant. But I think for the good people, for the serious people, I'm not saying leave the Libertarian party, but I am saying maybe it's time to like reassess what you're putting your Listen, there is um and this isn't like a fixed pie fallacy, right? there are time and energy are limited resources and maybe it is time to just think what's the best use of yours because there's like one of the things that's fascinating watching the libertarian party right is that it's like it's almost like there's this book club and the book club studies freedom and revolutions and history and all this stuff and this book club is taking place in this very little room and then outside of this little room there's this huge world and in that world a revolution is taking place. And the people in this little book club who read about revolution all day don't seem that interested in the fact that they're [ __ ] living through one right now. It is it is amazing how removed libertarian party politics is from the country that they live in or the world that they live in. Like what's going on in the real world is that the Overton window has exploded. Every mainstream institution has lost all credibility. Um, our ideas are largely winning in many fronts in terms of public opinion and the foreign policy. The American people largely agree with us on government corruption.

[00:47:35]The American people largely agree with us on. We got our work cut out on economics. Don't get me wrong, but there's this huge movement taking place.

[00:47:43]There are huge voices in the liberty world. As Judge Npalitano's show is humongous, we're doing pretty good for ourselves. Scott Horton is on Rogan and Tucker and his book is is killing it.

[00:47:55]You know what I'm saying? There's all these people um Tom Woods and Clint Russell and and you know Ron Paul and Dan McAdams are still there's this huge like conversation happening with a lot of our ideas being inserted into the conversation and then there's a small group of freaks who you who use our word who are arguing about the latest drama on the LNC or which state party should be disaffiliated and it's like guys how can anyone one who really cares about human liberty decide in those two options, I'm going to get in here and fight with a pink-haired lady about who sits on the LNC. Like, if you're not a freak and you're an intelligent person, and there are lots of those in the Libertarian Party, really think about what we're going to do here. I'm not even saying it'd be the worst plan in the world to try to do something with the Libertarian Party, but we got to have some type of plan. Does that make sense, Rob?

[00:48:54]Uh, >> you're going to be meaner again. Rob's always just coming in to be a little bit meaner.

[00:48:59]>> I actually don't want to be I don't want to be meaner on this one. I kind of feel like >> these people these people are your fans.

[00:49:04]These are the people who buy tickets to your show. You don't want to be mean to them.

[00:49:07]>> No, I feel like uh I got a lot of things in my life I'm trying to get off the ground and grow. And I got a long way to go. So, I don't really like uh criticizing other people's uh passions, particularly if it's for freedom. It does make me sad that most of the clips that I see uh are not inspiring, but are more embarrassing. And so I do think that they need to figure that out. And uh some of these characters in the uh LP I I don't know why they're there other than feds to like thwart the movement. I don't understand why they're drawn to liberty. I don't know why they're not just far-left activists. Um yeah, the one the one cool thing that I did see was uh Joe Kent. I I saw I I didn't watch the speech, but I saw him giving some remarks in front of the uh rage again rage against the war machine.

[00:49:51]Yeah. And I thought that that was a smart pickup to potentially get him affiliated cuz he's out there with a good, you know, anti-forign intervention message. Uh but I it does it it it's saddening that there's people affiliated with freedom and liberty and when I see the clips I find it embarrassing.

[00:50:10]>> Yeah. No, that's right. And you know, you got to understand that and this is like, you know, Carnegie, how to win friends and and influence people [ __ ] But it's like, look, if you look, obviously there is nothing in the philosophy of libertarianism itself that says, hey, you need to not be a freak.

[00:50:33]You need to like grow up and be presentable. Okay, that's true. And in fact, the only thing that strictly speaking libertarianism would tell you about being a freak is that well, you have a right to. You know, as long as you're not initiating violence on someone else, you have a right to do it.

[00:50:47]But then again, just because you have a right to do something doesn't mean it's right to do that thing, right? So like it's the bottom line. This is something outside the scope of libertarianism and falls into this realm of uh common sense which many libertarians struggle with.

[00:51:02]But like if you if you seriously believe in a set of ideas or a set of principles, then it is incumbent on you to try to present those in a way that might be compelling to other people. And that I mean just look at those videos and and you tell me if you think any normal person is going to look at that and go this is something I could get behind. Now, the thing that's, as you said, what's painful about it is that there's so much of libertarianism that is common sense and is beautiful and correct and noble that a lot of people could get behind. Very serious people could get behind that. Like, if you were to get out there and say like, "We're bankrupting our country, fighting wars on behalf of foreign nations. This is ridiculous. Our country is falling apart. Washington corruption is out of control. government debt and spending are advocate. You know, there are messages here that almost everyone would be would look at and go, "Yeah, that's pretty undeniably true." And instead, it's being presented in this manner.

[00:52:06]Now, I will say this, okay, and this is I guess this is what what holds me back from just saying, you know, abandon this thing is that I I'll say this and I've talked about this maybe before, but just to put these thoughts together, right?

[00:52:22]In in 2024, there's something very interesting that happened. So, for people who who you know have followed the show for years and they're familiar, essentially there was this old horrible guard in the Libertarian Party and they started trashing Ron Paul and Tom Woods and Jeff Dice and all our Libertarian heroes. And so then we uh we like formed an insurgency and took over the party.

[00:52:45]Uh our caucus was called the Mises Caucus. Uh, you know, I was pretty outfront like I announced that we were going to take over the party. Um, and we kind of our this show was largely not entirely but largely was the engine that kind of took over the Libertarian Party.

[00:53:04]Like I made a call to action. We're all joining the party. We're going to take it over. We did and we did. And in Reno, we took over the whole party and with with super majorities, we got every single position. Literally, I I picked every single position on the LNC. Um, and uh, you know, with Michael Heis and Scott Horton and Angela Mardell and a bunch of those people. And uh, you know, the I had I had planned on running for president and then I backed out of doing that for a lot of reasons. I've explained before, but so then essentially so this happened in 22. We took over the whole party. So then the next con uh, convention, they're every two years. So the next convention was in 24. 24 happened to be a presidential election year. Now, I had already decided I wasn't running, but the state of the party was essentially like it was all set up for me to run, then I didn't, but our guys controlled the entire LNC.

[00:53:56]And I I was viewed, I'm not sure this is exactly accurate, but I was viewed by many as the leader of the party. Truth be told, I was never really the leader of anything because these libertarians don't much like being led, I've come to find out. But that was how it was viewed. And one of the things that was very interesting so in this presidential year I ended up becoming quite friendly with uh Vake Ramoswami and Bobby Kennedy and I think my status in the Libertarian party was a big reason of why they were so interested in being friendly with me and both of them would be calling me on the phone a lot um asking stuff about the Libertarian Party. Now, they were outsiders, so they didn't really get it.

[00:54:38]And I had to explain to both of them cuz they essentially both wanted me to support them as the nominee. Well, actually, Vav didn't want to be the nominee. Vav wanted me to deliver the Libertarian Party to Donald Trump, but that Vav was the one who got it delivered, you know. So, he wanted that credit with the administration. And Bobby Kennedy wanted to be the nominee because it he was running as an independent. He had switched from Democrat to independent at this point.

[00:55:09]And it's it's, you know, he's just killing himself spending tons of money just for ballot access. But if you get the LP nomination, you get all the ballot access that the Libertarian Party already has. So it was going to save him like $30 million to get the Libertarian Party nomination. And I had to explain to both of them that I was like, "Look, even though you view me as being like the leader of the Libertarian party, that's not really how this works." Like, if I go to the Libertarian, if I go to the members and I go, "Hey guys, I know I'm not running, but you should support Bobby Kennedy," they'll all just go, "What? No, he's a liberal. I'm supporting a liberal." you know, and so like anyway, but the point I'm making is that one of the things that was very interesting about that is that you you realize that there's like, hey, these guys who are like worth hundreds of millions of dollars who are famous guy or at least the Vegas, I don't know what Bobby's worth, but a lot. These guys literally from a political legendary family. um these guys really see a lot of value in the Libertarian party. And that's kind of interesting cuz sometimes there's many libertarians who don't see any value in the party, but then these guys really see value in the party. All right, guys. Let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Body Brain Coffee. And I got to let you know, Body Brain Creamer is finally here. And this thing was specifically designed to stack perfectly with Body Brain Coffee. This isn't some sugary gross store creamer loaded with garbage ingredients. This is a functional creamer built to actually do something for you. We packed it with MCT oil for clean energy, collagen peptides, cordicps mushrooms for endurance and stamina. It's just got a lot of good stuff in there for you and it's delicious. It tastes good with BodyBrain. I' I have a cup of BodyBrain coffee every day. I've been using the creamer as well. I feel great. Feel the best I've ever felt. Highly recommend people check it out if you're looking to naturally boost your testosterone.

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[00:58:06]A tool is not something like all political parties, they're they're instruments. They're tools. And now a tool is not something that you get emotional about or you fall in love with or you become a partisan to. Like I'm a wrench guy. It doesn't make any sense.

[00:58:22]You don't love your wrench. You don't cry. Your wrench can either get the job done or it counts. It's either the correct tool or it's not. Now, if you recognize the party as a tool, you go, "Okay, how can we use this tool? Is there a way to be effective?" And in theory, there really is. Like, for example, right now, look, Thomas Massiey's flirting with running for president. Would that be helpful to have the Libertarian Party under good hands right now? Sure, potentially. That could be really good. Um, can the libertarians play spoiler and get some bad Republicans? You know, we've been the difference before. We will be again or we could be again. Um, could they spoil some bad Republicans and then get some better Republicans in? Yeah. Like there are really cool things that a third party could do. The real foundational problem is that too big a percentage of the membership are just allergic to anything like that and they're essentially in it to to purity spiral.

[00:59:23]And so or either that or they've got like this worst form of pragmatism where it's like well let's be pragmatic and just run Bill Weld like candidates and you're like yeah but that'll never win anything. Um there there's like a good form of radicalism and a good form of pragmatism that could be merged together there. Anyway, the in order for that to happen, you would just have to get a bunch more people to join the party who were like-minded. It's not that impossible.

[00:59:55]And I think that dude, there's something like 6,000 I think someone said on stage that there's 6,000 members now. The party is just like completely collapsed.

[01:00:03]It's falling apart. And so it's ripe to be taken over. Again, the thing is you got to have a real specific plan so that there's a real specific call to action to get people excited to do something like that. And as of right now, I don't see it. And I don't see how I could be helpful to that cause. So for me, it just makes sense. It's like I'm I'm in the business of communicating these ideas. I've been able to really insert myself on some huge platforms.

[01:00:34]Um, we've been able to build this platform up. I've been able to move the needle on on some some issues and it seems to me like that's what makes sense for me to put my time and energy into.

[01:00:47]Uh I just I do feel bad because I know there's still a lot of our guys, you know, behind en enemy lines, so to speak, uh in the party. And I think that, you know, if if there is if the Libertarian Party is to be utilized in a productive manner, it's going to take a plan and it's going to take a drastic change in membership and in attitudes.

[01:01:10]And straight up, like some of these people need to be kicked out of the party if you were going to do that. you need to just like get rid of some of these people. Um otherwise it's kind of unworkable. So I don't know. Again, I'll say this in the final thought. There was always kind of an asymmetry here between kind of like the people in the Libertarian party who really hate our guts and us cuz I don't really hate any of them. Now, there's a few people I know who are like really reprehensible people. I also still don't really hate them. Just don't really care. You guys take the party. Go do it. Go run Chase Oliver one more time. Oh, that's sure to move the needle. I' I've never seen anything I've never seen somebody run a presidential campaign and become a less visible figure as a result of it.

[01:01:55]Literally never. Including Joe Jorgensson. She still became a more visible figure off of it. I I I I don't know if Chase still exists. Um but anyway, I don't know. Any any other thoughts?

[01:02:08]>> He was always just a construct.

[01:02:10]He was always just a social construct that chase Oliver. He never really existed. Um anyway, you know, I wish I wish the Libertarian Party uh lots of luck, you know, best of luck to all those guys, but it just seems um it seems like the whole thing has become it it's not even a book club. A book club would be a substantial improvement over that. Book clubs are interesting, you know, like you might read a good book and have a good discussion on it.

[01:02:40]As are half the people in the Libertarian party, it seems like I don't even think they read books and have good discussions on them. I don't think they're interested in the ideas. They seem to be much more interested in the the Georgia vice chair race or something like that. You know, that that seems to be what it's about. Or maybe it'll just continue as a Looney Tunes cartoon where Jeremy Calfman comes in and yells and then they just uh slam the gauntlet anyways and he tries some new scheme and they just gauntlet anyways and just goes back and forth in an endless cycle.

[01:03:09]>> Yep, it was uh Yeah, there was Well, at least Jeremy got gave a little bit of a comedic, you know, uh uh break um you know, a little bit of levity from from him in the situation. But the whole thing is just embarrassing, man. And um I know there was an incident with like a guy punching a chick cuz she was stealing pamphlets from Yeah. It's just like a whole like oh my god what the [ __ ] Yeah. Guy got arrested at the convention and it's just like guys you just I don't know you >> I saw there was some article uh in the paper. I didn't even care to read it. Uh but it was about whether or not there should be a dress code. And I just started laughing that that's the way libertarian like I I mean it firstly in my opinion it's there shouldn't have to be a dress code libertarianism you should be able to dress however the hell you want. I know uh like even I I know you hated Vernon Supreme. I wasn't really following it but I kind of uh like the what would I call that? It's kind of an artist like a performance of it. Yeah, it's a performance artist and I kind of got I I kind of got the goof of it and I thought that there was a place for that kind of thing and I think that there is a place for, you know, the occasional person who wants to dress strange in a performance artist type way. I don't really believe that you need a suit and tie dress code, but I think when it's making the newspaper that that's the problem at the convention, uh, you missed your opportunity to share the message.

[01:04:34]>> Yeah. No question. Yeah. It's like there's also there there's a difference.

[01:04:40]Look, I never liked the Verdon Supreme thing. I thought it was stupid. But there's a difference between doing like a performance art bit and just being a freak. There's a difference between the two. And like yeah, you kind of can't have the ladder. And I like you I agree, Rob. Like um I don't really care if someone's wearing a t-shirt or a sweater or a suit and tie, but like you're like, "Yeah, there shouldn't need to be a dress code." cuz like I thought it was already like understood, you know? It's like where there's like a um that like no no uh no pants, no shoes, no business sign or something and you're like I thought we all just figured out we're supposed to wear pants when you go out to a restaurant. You know what I mean?

[01:05:23]Like you don't need a strict dress code to just be like but you will be wearing pants, right? That's that's where the Libertarian party's at. It needs to be explained that you have to wear pants.

[01:05:34]We got to change the bylaws.

[01:05:37]We gota have we got to do uh an hour and a half of you know Robert's rules of order or whatever. H god democracy is such a mess. All right. Anyway, I guess that's it. I'm sorry that I don't have like kind of more to say on it, but that's really just where I'm at. Um there a lot of our ideas are winning right now and um this this party is doing nothing but losing and it's occupied by a lot of losers. And I think even the good people inside the party know that that's the truth. And so either we're going to find a way to get a lot more people on board and we're going to take it over again. But if we do that, it's got to be with a specific plan. Um, and otherwise, you know, I can't just be in the situation where every couple years I'm telling my guys, we're taking it over again and then something's it's going to lead to something. We got to really have a plan if we're going to do that. And I'll be the first one to let you know if uh if somebody presents one to me that I like.

[01:06:28]All right. Thank you guys very much for listening. Appreciate it. Catch you next time. Peace.

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