This approach attempts to sanitize religious truth by reducing it to a checklist of scriptural technicalities while conveniently insulating the messenger from moral scrutiny. It ultimately fails to recognize that for most seekers, the ethical integrity of a prophet is the primary litmus test for divine authority.
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>> Hello.
>> Hello.
>> Yeah. What's up, man?
>> Good.
>> Yeah. You all right?
>> I'm doing pretty fine myself. How can I help you?
>> Yeah. You said why am I not a Muslim?
>> Yeah. Before you answer the question, can you just tell me what you believe in?
>> I'm a Christian.
>> No, you're a Christian.
>> Yes.
>> Okay. All right. Sure. Why are you not a Muslim?
Well, the reason why I'm not a Muslim is that I read a hadith and in that hadith, Allah loves those who sin.
>> Oh, it says he loves those who sin.
>> Yes.
>> Can you show me the hadith where it says he loves those who sin? Go ahead.
>> Is not what?
>> Oh, so it doesn't say that.
>> Yeah. This is what he says. Allah says >> right >> he's going to sweep you off if you do not sin >> based on >> so that you can sin and and Allah can >> yeah why why why >> do you want me to show you the hadith let me put >> it say so that he could forgive you right >> let me let me put the >> I know the hadith I'm asking you okay it says so that he may forgive you correct >> so it doesn't say he loves sin correct >> so why is he going to sweep away those who do not sin.
>> It says that he's going to sweep away all of humanity if all of humanity stops sinning. Okay?
>> Not meaning that he's going to unal alive them or anything of the sorts.
Rather, that he's going to replace them with a people who do it so that he can so that they could seek for his forgiveness.
>> Yeah. So why do Allah love us to sin and do that?
>> Okay, I got you. One second. Okay.
Okay. I want you to read something for me. Okay.
>> You are you going to answer my question?
>> I am. I am. I just want to see if you're going to be consistent. Can you read that verse for me?
>> Yeah, you can. right here. Verse three.
>> Wait, what vers what what's >> Luke 13:3? Read it.
>> Okay. I I have my Bible in front of me.
>> Luke 13:3. Can you read it?
>> Luke 13 verse three.
>> Mhm.
>> It says, let me read from verse one. Now at that time at the uh now at that same time there were some present who were reporting to him about the Galilean whose blood pilot had mixed with their sacrifice. And Jesus sat and said to them, "Do you think that these Galileans were greater sinners than all other Galileans because they suffered these things?" I tell you, no. But unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.
>> Wow. So unless you ask God for forgiveness and repentance, everybody's going to perish.
>> So So does Jesus Christ said you have to sin?
>> He literally says unless you repent, what are you repenting for? What are you repenting for, sir?
>> Yeah. Does he say >> what? What is repentance?
>> Okay. According to the hadith, let me read it.
>> Sir, I didn't ask you about the hadith.
I'm asking you what is repentance for?
What is repentance for? Why do you do repentance? Okay. Wrong dichotomy. I want to know what is repentance.
>> You repent because you sin.
>> Right. So he says unless you repent for your sins, you're going to perish.
>> Yeah.
>> Right. So God wants you to seek forgiveness from him unless what? Unless you want to perish.
>> Yeah. But he does not want to see what Allah wants to do.
>> Good. Good. It says the same thing.
>> I want you to say >> it's the same concept that's in the hadith, sir. It literally is. He says, "Unless."
Unless. Yeah. The hadith literally says, I already told you what the hadith says.
I don't know why you're panicking now.
>> Let me read.
>> You're panicking because of the Bible saying the same thing.
>> No. Let me read.
>> Why? Why are you Why are you panicking over the Bible now?
>> Because you don't want me to read.
>> You're ignoring the I already read what the hadith says.
>> No, no, it's not. It's not true.
Allah is it literally says, okay, >> Allah would certainly wipe out everybody if it's the case they were not sinning and he would replace them with a group of people who would seek forgiveness from him that would sin. Yes.
>> Okay. So, >> same thing here.
>> So, Allah want those who >> it's the same thing, brother.
>> Show me where Jesus Christ said he want people to sin.
>> Uh, did Jesus Christ create you with a sinning nature?
>> No. Show me where he says.
>> I'm I'm asking you. I'm asking you according to your theology. Stop. Stop.
Oh, you need to engage with the question I'm asking you. Okay.
>> Yeah. Because you are changing in your life.
>> Engage with the question, >> right? Very simply, did your God, who you believe is Jesus, create you with a nature of sin?
>> No.
>> He didn't. You don't believe in original sin.
>> So, did he create?
>> Do you believe in nature? Do you believe in original sin or not?
>> I believe in the original sin.
>> Is that how he created you? Oh, so you're not created with original sin.
>> Creator original. But where does the original sin come from?
>> With sin. My >> Where does the original sin come from?
>> From Adam, not from >> right. And did God create Adam?
>> So was it God that made Adam to sin?
>> Did God create? Yes. He created him with that sinful nature according to your Christian theology, sir.
>> Adam to sin.
>> Are you going to engage with the question?
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm engaging.
>> Right. So, did he create him with a nature that falls short? Yes or no?
>> What do you say?
>> Did God create Adam with a nature which falls short?
>> No. Oh, so the verse the Bible doesn't say all fall short in the glory of God.
>> That's Adam. That is Adam.
>> It literally says all. It says all fall short in the glory of God.
>> Are you part of all? Why did >> Are you part of all?
>> Yeah. So why did all So then God So then God created you according to your theology questions.
>> Yeah. No problem. Nobody could deal with questions. But you don't you literally started panicking.
Hello.
>> Oh, finally. Okay. First of all, to Are you Muslim, brother? I >> I'm not Muslim. I'm I'm a I'm a guy that was raised in Christian family. I'm trying to convert in Islam, but I I need some question. But if you can to answer me, that would be great. If if you can't, I will just drop.
>> Sure. Of course. Let's we'll do our best to answer. Go ahead.
>> I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. But I'm trying like to convert.
>> No problem. uh like last few years I've lost my faith in Christians because of the mistakes I found on Bible and everything.
>> Okay.
>> So I'm trying to like study the Quran and it's more well explained than Bible and bit more like uh makes sense more than Bible. All right. So why was uh exactly Jesus that will come and fight the antichrist and why was Jesus the only prophet that wasn't that was born without a father?
>> Okay. Uh first well let me answer the second question. He's not the only one quoteunquote born without a father. Adam is also created without a father. So the Quran it gives the verse it says yeah >> uh the example or the likeness of Jesus is like that of Adam. Allah created him from dust. Then he said to him be and he was okay.
>> Right. So it's the same thing Allah says. It's it's the same way that he would have created him essentially. The only difference is is obviously he did it through a woman. Um, in terms of your first question, why is it the case that Jesus peace be upon him is the one who's going to be coming back? Firstly, it's because he is the one who's instated by Allah to be the Messiah. Okay? And secondly, if we take a look at the time period in which he's coming, he is essentially the how would you put this like the the break between the Jews and the Christians, right? That's where a significant difference happens between the two theologies, right?
>> Yeah.
>> Right. The Jews reject him and the Christians accept him but they accept him in an incorrect manner according to Muslims. Okay, you understand so far?
>> But uh yeah yeah yeah but a lot of people said that Jesus was a Jew.
>> No Jew that that would be regarding his ethnicity. Yeah. He descends from the >> Yeah. Yeah. Sure. Sure.
>> Okay. So he is the uh essentially the cornerstone between the Jews and the Christians. Yet we believe both of them are incorrect. So what's significant about Jesus peace be upon him returning as opposed to anybody else right aside from the fact that this is what he was chosen for um the Quran says that there is none of the people of the book so the people of the book is the Jews and the Christians there is none of the people of the book who will certainly not believe in him before his death okay meaning they're all going to believe in him before he dies uh generally speaking in regards to the time period when he does return you understand >> so he is going to be that sort of sign for them that yeah you guys both got it wrong. The Jews got it wrong in the sense of rejecting me and the Christians got it wrong because they started worshiping me. Okay. So he is going to be the one that will gather those other people who will be true believers in him >> in order to bring them to Islam essentially in this time period.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah.
>> All right. And and does uh last question I think this add uh does does Islam u teach you or how to say like tells you to use violence or to kill someone?
>> Careful. Don't don't say the key word.
Say unal alive. Okay.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
I'm sorry. My bad. My bad.
>> So it's it's situation dependent. Okay.
So for example, if you're in a war and obviously >> I've read about the Yeah. Yeah. I wrote about the war, you know, as called like the sword verse. I wrote about the self-defense.
>> Yeah. Yeah, it's not it's not even just about self-defense or offensive def um you know uh retaliation or anything of the sort in the context of war in general right um people will become unalived rights but aside from a context of war there is also jurist credential rulings okay so for example if somebody commits adultery and this isn't just the Quran by the way right we we believe that the Abrahamic God was consistent with this somebody who commits a form of adultery uh where you know if they were married and they cheat on the spouse that they were with then that person should be unal alived for example. Okay.
Now these things it's not just somebody who can randomly go and do it. It has to be done via a Islamic court. Okay. Um obviously there's not really Islamic courts that are established today or a country which rules specifically and strictly by the Islamic laws. So it wouldn't be able to take place now.
Okay. So pardon to interrupt you. That means that God in Quran teach you to kill sorry to crush sorry >> to unal alive specific people who commit specific wrongdoings but it's not me specifically like I can't just go and do that myself right it's a court that has to go through the rulings etc. Yeah, but uh God uh in Quran I I I've I've read somewhere I'm sorry if you give me like some moments I I I can find like the verse that says if you unal alive my creation that is human that is the biggest sin right >> yeah that's spec that's only general okay so generally speaking people and this type of unaliving he's talking about is committing murder right is not allowed because that's an unjustified unaliviving okay whereas for certain jurist credential matters such as the one that I brought up to you, for example, or war or anything else of the sorts. Okay? Those are going to be justified because they transgressed a law of God and they knew what the punishment would be for doing that. You understand?
>> Okay.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. I got you.
>> So, it goes the same for the for the unbelievers, right? Like we should, you know, analy them or what? Wait, let me find the verse. Wait, wait, let me find the verse, please.
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Just just summarize. What does the verse say, bro?
>> Miss you too, Jewel.
>> It says it says it says uh like someone like like hold them to the throat and crush them, but I couldn't find it. I'm sorry.
>> There's there's no verse that says that.
>> Wait.
Anyway, anyway, anyway, uh I will I have like a after two days I will uh how you like contact like a masjid or a mosque or whatever said >> and I will ask them as well. But I'm trying to like find the people online like same as as Kora because I've seen her videos >> with one versus 20 Christians >> and that really impressed me. She's so smart. Mashallah. Same as you. You >> smart.
>> You You don't have to wait to go to a masjid to take your shout out. You know that, right? Like you could do it now.
>> But I'm trying to Yeah. But before I convert, I'm trying to like make myself clear. I am clear 99%. I'm just like just >> So what else is there? Tell me. Tell me what the 1% is and will help you out.
>> Yeah, this is what you tell me. But at the same time that like a religion that that that tells you to kill it doesn't seem just right. Alive explain to me I'm sorry. I'm so sorry.
>> Yeah. So this is this is there's a difference between something which is justified and unjustified. Okay.
>> So when we say the word the k i l word right >> that is we're we're referring to an unjustified individual. Okay. Whereas if we're referring to something which is justified, then this is going to refer to a form of punishment or transgression etc. Okay. Like for example, imagine right we have uh you know Epstein. Yes.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> Okay. Somebody like that. Okay. Who did all of these heinous things to individuals throughout his life. Okay.
>> That that's a that's a that's a really smart conversation like comparing.
>> Yeah. like somebody like that. Uh would it be the case that it should just, you know, he should just spend some time alive still, you know, um not face any sort of punishment? He's just going to end up, you know, sitting in a jail cell probably in a private jail cell where he would be, you know, perfectly fine, probably has a TV and all of these things or would would it be more just to get rid of him for the things that he did?
>> Yeah, but he will be punished after life, right?
>> Well, the punishment can go two ways, right? So if somebody here let's say for example in the adultery example I gave you rights if somebody admits to their faults okay and they choose to take the punishment in this world as a form of repentance towards God because repentance is not only asking or seeking forgiveness from God but also going through with the punishment uh if it's the case that you want to take the punishment in this life. So that person who committed adultery, if it's the case that they, you know, they recognize that they did something wrong, they sought repentance and they know that that repentance is for them to be unalived or anything of the sort for what they did rather than facing that punishment on the day of judgment. Um, then they would do that here. You understand?
>> Yeah. Sure. Sure.
>> Yeah. So it's it depends on when they want to do it. And if you do it on the day of judgment, it's obviously millions of times worse than it would be here because you don't want to end up, you know, risking some sort of um sin that you commit or anything of this sort on the day of judgment because it could be one little thing that would sway this way or that way, right?
>> Yeah, I I understand you. I understand you.
>> Yeah.
>> All right, sister. May God bless you.
May God bless you. I have to clear my mind as well and everything. And uh if God's wants or as you as Muslim says, inshallah, I will have my sh my first prayer in.
>> All right, man. Inshallah. Make sure you come back by all means. Okay.
>> Yeah, sure. Sure. Sure. I I I'll come back and uh hopefully a Muslim.
>> All right, man. Inshallah. Have a good night.
>> Yeah. Take care. Bye.
>> Hello.
>> Oh my god.
Oh my god.
>> Are you good, brother?
>> Huh?
>> I said, "Are you good?"
>> No, not at all. The level of stupidity, it's astonishing.
>> Yeah, it sounds like it. Anyway, are you Christian, Jewish, atheist?
>> Christian, obviously.
>> Okay. Well, I wouldn't know it's obvious from just knowing your name in a profile picture. Um, >> yeah, >> I did say God.
You didn't hear me say the name of your God, so it's kind of obvious.
>> All right, man.
Why? Why you got to be insufferable for?
Just Just have a normal decent conversation. Hello.
>> Hello.
>> Yeah. What's up?
>> What's up?
>> Nothing much. Um uh I'm 80. I want before I start speaking, I want uh I just want to tell um English isn't my first language. I don't speak that well.
>> Okay.
>> So I I hope I can talk good enough that you understand me.
>> Okay, that's fine.
>> I I have a question about the Islam.
>> Go ahead.
Um like is God is all knowing, right?
>> Yeah.
>> And God is all loving.
>> No, we believe God is the most loving.
>> He's the most loving.
>> Mhm.
>> He's he's the >> Okay. Well, is the most forgiving, most merciful. That's different.
>> No. No. Um he's aloud. Aladud refers to the most loving.
>> Yeah. And um God before creating humans, he knew that humans would suffer in hell.
Right.
>> Okay.
>> Right. Am I right or >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. So why do God like before even creating something that he would knew would suffer like he he knew that that when he created it it will suffer while creating it.
>> Okay. Uh because the individual also agreed to take this test. So we believe that a covenant was taken with God, right, between us and God prior to us coming into this world where we acknowledge the fact that there was two options either right and wrong and that we wanted to take this test. Now obviously we don't remember this but we have certain inclinations that can lead us back to that conclusion. Now God having the knowledge of who specifically is going to end up in heaven or hell does not make him the responsible one in that situation. We believe each person is responsible for their own actions.
Okay? He doesn't force you to do X, Y, or Z. Rather, you make those choices and that's what leads you to either going into heaven or hell based off of obviously the mercy of God. But um knowledge it doesn't correlate to anything in regards to him being responsible for it.
Um, did we know be like when we u you just said he asked us before if we want to have this test, did we know like if we would go to hell or uh to heaven?
>> No, we wouldn't know. Obviously, if we're standing there in front of God and we're taking a covenant for example, right, everybody's going to be under the impression, well, I'm certainly going to be the one to end up believing, right?
That's the reason why we all agree. But then obviously people become very obviously we forget the covenants and people stray even further away from that natural inclination that we're created with. Okay? That natural inclination is what leads you to an understanding of God and leads you to an understanding of what it would be like for God to send a revelation or a message to the people on earth. Understand?
>> Yeah.
>> So people could stray away from that and it will further cause them to stray away from the truth. Right. And people could get closer to that and it will cause them to embrace the truth.
>> Right.
>> And what I would like to ask is um you said God asked us before like what were what were the uh options he gave us like if you want to uh do it or not or what were the >> how specifically he asked us or what the options were. Obviously that's not something which is noted to us in detail but what he tells us is he took a covenant with the humans okay with the children or the descendants of Adam and all of them agreed and acknowledged this covenant okay so irrespective of what the other options were anybody who's on earth or was on earth or will be on earth acknowledged and agreed to this test what the other options were he never it's never detailed to us specifically the point is is that we agreed But um God those humans you say you're telling me he asked us >> but we didn't know what we are what we would get like if you would go to heaven or to hell >> correct knew >> God knew >> and >> but what's the issue with him knowing you're not you're not stating an issue with him knowing sir >> because a god a god wouldn't create something that would fail like um >> what's the evidence for that?
>> Why why would God >> Okay, why would is not the same thing.
Okay.
>> Yeah. Wait, wait, give me give me a second to uh uh think how how I ask you like why would God create some something if he knows that it would suffer? Like even because you're presuming >> he knows that it would suffer. The the the humans he asked didn't know that. He knew that they would suffer and uh created them.
>> Okay.
>> For what? So he like I just told you firstly knowledge does not prove that this is something which is right or wrong. Okay. Now you're just asking a question of why would he and the answer to that would just simply be that there could be some ulterior or ultimate benefit that comes out of it. Okay. So for example if there if it's a case let's say that there is a two parents okay who are very very bad they're disbelievers etc. Okay. and they give birth to a son who ends up because of his parents' actions, right? And the way that they act and the way that they talk and all of these things, he ends up becoming a believer because they push him towards wanting to be religious, wanting to do this, wanting to do that, right? There is still an ultimate good that comes out of that, right? It which is somebody acknowledging the truth of God irrespective of the fact that the other two, right? They didn't want to listen to the message to begin with.
Okay? Now, that doesn't negate the fact that these are still based off of their choices. Okay? The person agrees to something. If, let's say, okay, for example, if I enroll in medical school, I obviously don't know whether or not my uh I'm I'm going to end up passing, right?
But I still enroll and I pay hundreds of thousands of dollars in all of these different things in order for me to take the courses and such, right?
>> Mhm. and I can lose out on that money and the school is well aware of the fact that I could lose out on that money.
Right.
>> Mhm.
>> Right. But does that mean that the school is responsible for me, you know, failing my classes?
No. Right. I'm responsible for that.
Correct.
>> Is because you you know the uh you know the risk, >> right? And the school knows that risk too.
>> Yeah.
>> Right. But that doesn't mean that the school is in any way, shape or form responsible for me failing the class.
Right?
>> Right. So the responsibility falls on who? It falls on the person. Right?
The thing is >> what I'm trying to show you what I'm what I'm trying to show you essentially is that the like knowledge whether you know something or you don't know is not going to be you know some sort of issue with regards to this because irrespective of knowledge the knowledge is based off of the person themsself committing these actions in the future which leads them to doing this thing right or going into hell or anything of the sort that's not the same thing.
>> Mhm. Okay. Okay. Thank you for uh your answer.
>> Okay. Anything else?
>> No.
>> Okay. So, why are you not Muslim?
>> Huh?
>> Why are you not Muslim?
>> Let me let me actually read you a verse really quick in the Quran as well. Okay.
One sec. Let me just pull it up.
>> Let me just get it.
Okay. So this is chapter 90 verse 10. Okay. Or actually I'll start from verse uh verse 8.
All right. So it says uh so this is about God. He's speaking about the humans, right? Do they think that no one sees them? Have we not given them two eyes, a tongue, and two lips and shown them the two ways of right and wrong? So God has given us the means of being able to know the difference between right and wrong. What the person decides to do with that after right that is up to that person specifically. You understand?
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. The thing is why like I I understand that what you uh just said with the the all knowing doesn't disprove that like he isn't isn't his fault because he's all knowing.
>> But why why I don't believe in that because is because I know that I wouldn't want to do that.
I know.
>> You wouldn't want to do what specifically? I wouldn't agree to come on this earth if if the the the me like you said you you said you said before before like God the covenant we agreed we agreed and I know >> that I wouldn't agree like if >> why would you not agree because you have to imagine it this way right everybody that's there is already witnessing and speaking to God okay God is speaking directly to the souls of us okay >> naturally anybody who's witnessing that is not going to think to themselves that they're ever going to disbelieve. Right?
>> But did did God when when he asked us did he explain the circumstance?
>> Of course. Yes. Of course.
>> He explained everything.
>> Of course, everything would be explained. It's a a promise that is made between God and the humans. Yeah.
>> Okay. Then then I'm 100% sure. Like if if >> but Okay. But that's my point. That's what I'm saying is that you don't actually know. You're just claiming that that would be the case, right?
>> If the Yeah. No, because because if there is if if the version of me who who agreed on it, I can't if I can't relate to that version that that can't be me.
>> You can if you look at So, I'll tell you why. I'll tell you why. Because we're talking about something that we can't necessarily prove or disprove right now, right? We're talking about something from what we would consider as Muslims the unseen. Okay? So what he continues actually saying in that verse right or in that chapter he says if only they had attempted the challenging path of goodness instead right the people between the two ways of right and wrong.
If only they attempted the challen challenging path of goodness instead.
Okay. And it continues what will make you realize what attempting the challenging path is. It's to free a slave or to give food in times of famine to an orphan relative or to a poor person in distress. and above all to be one of those who have faith and urge others to pers uh sorry and urge each other to perseverance and urge each other to compassion. These are the people of the right. Okay, the people who would be granted goodness, right? As for those who deny our signs, they are the people of the left. Okay. So God as he stated in the pri sorry prior verses okay he allows for us or he gives us signs in order to be able to recognize okay what is true and what is false okay >> right so in order for us to actually determine what is true and what isn't we have to look at these different you know arguments that are being made and all of these things right but we also have to look at the proofs okay and the proofs for Islam are exhaustive to a point where it would lead a person like a person who rejects it essentially is just you know wanting to find some sort of um you know but it could be the case like this in the future or anything of the sort but if you look at it from a probabilistic perspective right the probability of Islam in comparison to any other belief system now is going to be the most probable and reasonable explanation for why it is that we're here okay atheism doesn't offer you a reason right atheism is a big I don't know question mark Right? Christianity has its own issues. Judaism is ethnosentric essentially, right? It's based off of just the people themselves.
Hinduism leads to polytheism. Not going to work. Right? All these other beliefs, they have issues within them. You understand?
>> Yeah.
>> Right. But when you come to Islam and the Quran and the teachings of the prophet, etc. Okay. All of these things are going to lead one to a conclusion such that they're going to recognize that Islam is what is sent from what would be considered God. Okay.
>> Mhm.
>> Right.
>> The thing is >> Go ahead. Go ahead.
>> The thing is like why why I believe that Islam isn't right is because it isn't um um Uh what is it called? Wait, give me a second. Um it isn't it isn't right. It um not not right. Equal. No.
>> What are you What are you talking about specifically?
>> Um like um equal one to another.
like people >> wait >> okay >> wait I'll translate it >> sorry >> appreciate you unknown >> fair >> fair in terms of what what is unfair >> what's unfair is that what if I I me I don't believe in it why can't I believe in it >> why can't you believe in what specifically I don't understand >> in Islam >> what do you mean why can't you you can believe in it if you want to >> I can't I can't no like look belief isn't something that you want or you don't want like you know you know you Yeah, you have to look at the evidences and the evidences are going to go and give you suggestions as to why it would be the case that you would or would not accept a particular belief. Right?
That's going to tell us the difference between something which is justified versus something that's not justified.
>> The thing is like I'm I'm not I wasn't always an atheist. I'm ex-Muslim. I was Muslim.
>> Okay. But did you hear what I just said?
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> Okay. So you understand the difference between a belief that is justified versus a belief that's unjustified, right?
>> Yeah. And they are all unjustified.
>> No, that's not true.
>> If you're saying it's unjustified, that means you're saying that there's absolutely no evidence whatsoever that could be uh granted or given towards the idea of Islam. To which obviously I would just take you. Okay. Okay. So then I will take you down an argument uh such that you would have to explain why it's the case that the probability of the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him you know stating all of these different prophecies and miraculous claims in the Quran etc. Uh these would essentially be near 0% for how accurate he would have been regarding all of these different claims if he was just merely guessing with each one. Okay, it is a near 0% probability.
>> Okay, give me one.
>> Okay. Uh for example, he talks about um in the Quran, it talks about the prophecy of the Romans, how the uh the Romans had been defeated in a nearby land. Are you aware of the story?
>> No.
>> So you're an ex-Muslim and you don't know the chapters of the Quran.
>> Like not every Muslim has knows the whole Quran.
>> Okay. What do you know about the Quran or some of it? You've never looked into prophecies or miracles or anything?
>> I looked into some of them. Yeah.
>> Like what?
>> And how do you refute them?
>> Um, wait, let me give me give you an example. Ah, yeah. One that's uh that I hear really often is with the so say miracle of how the Quran explained how the uh baby is built >> the embryology. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Abology.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah.
>> How do you refute that?
>> That's the Quran explains it wrong.
>> Really? How?
>> Yeah.
in the Quran he says um that the bones are c can you uh bring up the >> yeah sorry um I just put up one second I know the verse but you Notice how I said two different words, right?
>> Yeah.
>> So is not the same thing. Correct.
>> Oh, okay. What's the difference? Inform inform the audience the difference.
>> He says that >> No, no, no. I want you to tell the audience the difference between and >> is created.
>> Meaning one came before the other.
Right.
>> Is create. Yeah. He created something.
>> Good. What is kasona?
>> Um, what is it called in English? I don't know. But it's Yeah, it's to cover some something.
>> Does that necessitate the idea that one of them came before the other?
>> If you cover something, you can't cover something that isn't existing.
>> No, that's wrong. So, it can both of them. No, no, no. What I'm saying is, okay, your argument is one precedes the other. Correct.
uh >> according to the Quran, one of them comes before the other one according to the Quran.
>> Okay? But the Quran doesn't say that, right? Because if it was going to say that, it would use the word again. Okay?
But it very clearly uses a different word.
>> The reason why it uses because what we know in regards to bone formation and muscle formation scientifically speaking, right, is that the two can occur simultaneously. Okay? M additionally the word here can also refer to cartilage because you have the sorry the skeletal body okay is also formed initially from cartilage and cartilage does precede muscle formation as well. Okay. So either way you want to take it, the word already negates the idea that there is one that comes before the other because if that's what was being intended here, he would have just used the word again. But it makes a very clear distinction between the two. So he actually showed a miracle of the Quran, not a false statement to the Quran.
So you are telling me he he said um he said that he covered it with it but they both were in the >> they're simultaneous. Yeah. They come at the same time. Yes. And scientifically speaking that's that's what it is as well.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I know that this scientific but >> so you just prove the miracle in the Quran. Not not >> Well, can you admit that it's not wrong?
It is wrong.
>> How is it wrong?
>> Yeah.
>> You agree that it comes simultaneous, right?
>> Yeah. Yeah. But >> and the Quran doesn't talk about it coming before it, right?
>> How can you cover something that that both both are simultaneously like like >> Yes. It because one Okay. So, first of all, muscle is above the bones, right?
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. The bones. Okay. Since they're inside Okay. Naturally, if the bone, let's say the bone is forming this way.
Okay. We say this is this is one bone.
Okay. The muscle is also forming on top of it. Okay.
>> That's simultaneous.
>> Mhm.
>> That's at the same time.
>> No, no, no. But it's not the the same.
>> How is it not the same? That's what the word says.
>> Here because because here the bone is covered with the flesh here. He said >> that's the same thing.
>> No, no, no. Allah said he covered it with flesh. If if some >> Yeah. And the point that I'm trying to make to you is that if it was the case he was saying that one came before the other that means he would have used the same word that he was using prior which is to create. But he doesn't use that word. He makes a clear distinction.
>> It it it doesn't matter what word he uses.
>> Of course it matters what word he uses.
What are you talking about? The words are the whole point of Oh my god. Okay.
If I say, "Okay, I'm going to cover something." Does it automatically necessitate that one thing comes before the other?
>> Yeah, it necessitates that.
>> No, it doesn't. And even if even if it does, even if it does, which it doesn't, by the way, but even if it does, I already told you that when it comes to cartilage and muscle, cartilage definitely precedes both of them. And you have to have cartilage before muscle. And in Arabic could also be understood as cartilage.
>> You can't you can't sayam or bones. Or >> also refers to cartilage. Sir, I'm Egyptian. I I know Arabic.
>> I also know Arabic, >> right? And if you go to a doctor and you ask them regarding cartilage, okay, they can also use the wordam for it.
>> Here, let me show you.
One second.
One second.
Look.
So in classical Arabic the word for bone is sometimes used to encompass cartilage.
Thank you. So it can be used to refer to that to which the Quranic verse would still not be wrong. Both explanations I've given you would say that it's correct.
So you are telling me that something happened to exist having to exist before you cover it. You can cover something >> brother. Forget forget it. Forget the bone part. Okay. If it's cartilage is the verse correct?
Cartilage comes before muscle. Right.
>> Yeah. But he's not he's not talking.
>> It says and this is we're talking about classical Arabic. I'm not talking about modern Arabic. In classical Arabic, can Ivon be used for cartilage?
>> Yeah.
>> Like exactly. So if it can be referring to cartilage and it's talking about cartilage and muscle formation, is it still correct?
>> Yeah, but it's not talking.
>> So it is correct. Well, how do you know?
>> Yeah. How do you know that it's talking?
>> Because I gave you two explanations that you can't refute. I gave you where it would be bone and I gave you where it would be cartilage. To which both explanations are correct.
for for me it doesn't make sense to cover something that doesn't pre-exist.
>> It's simultaneous. Okay, they both happen at the same time. If we're referring to the word bone, scientifically speaking, they happen at the same time. Okay, nothing in the hold on. Nothing in the verse indicates one preceding the other. Okay. So, you will have to substantiate the idea that it comes before it according to the verse.
It doesn't say that.
>> It does say that. Oh my god. He he says he he says >> got so dishonest. It's not even funny.
>> Hello.
>> Hello.
>> Yeah. How are you?
>> Good.
>> All right, ma'am. How can I help you?
Are you Christian? I'm assuming.
Yeah. Um, >> okay.
>> I can't I can't Your microphone keeps going in and out. You need to get closer.
>> Not really. No.
>> Okay. Now, >> yeah, I can hear you now.
>> Okay. You said that Christian uh another religion is false only.
Um um only your religion is is true. I can prove you that uh um Christian is not false.
>> Okay. Prove it >> without uh using the Bible. Without using any book.
>> Okay. Prove it.
>> You're saying you're going to prove Christianity is true without using the Bible.
>> Without using the Bible. without using any book.
>> Go ahead. I'm waiting.
>> Okay.
Uh God is almighty. Yeah.
>> Sure.
>> Okay. Uh God give the power to to man.
Yeah.
>> What do you mean by that?
>> Maybe uh some extra sensorial uh capability or something like that.
>> Extra what?
um extra sensorial capability.
>> What is that?
>> Like uh I don't know how to explain in English.
It's not my my main language >> but just just to describe it. I don't I don't understand what it is.
>> The prophecy the power of prophecy or healing or something like that.
>> Uh he gave humans the ability.
>> Yeah.
>> Only specific humans. Yeah.
>> Yeah. the prophets.
>> Uh, I have I'll have a few question. They will not look like >> Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. You said you're going to do this and prove it without the scripture or anything. How would you prove that any human is capable of that without scripture?
>> No, no, no, no. I didn't say that. Have I said that?
>> You literally, you literally said you're not going to use scripture. You said he God gave humans the ability of extra sensorial abilities or something, right?
Yeah, because >> Okay, how do you prove that? Okay, prove it. Prove he actually did that.
>> It's It's a lot of uh Okay, the demon exist.
>> Without scripture, you wouldn't know.
>> They exist.
>> You wouldn't know without scripture.
>> You know, >> this is this is a terrible argument, bro. This is a terrible argument. What are you doing?
>> You'll know when the person is possessed. You'll see.
>> You wouldn't know if the person's possessed though. You wouldn't know what possession is without scripture.
>> He have a certain thing which which you can understand that the person is possessed.
>> How would you know what possession is without scripture? Sir, >> you catch me. Yeah, I need to use it.
>> I need to use the scripture.
>> Exactly. So, okay.
>> Okay.
>> Do you have any other argument you want to make? So, I guess we're not proving Christianity.
>> Uh we we are.
>> Okay. New argument.
>> Okay. Um what is happen? Uh what your religion doing with possessed? Wait, what happened to what happened to Christianity? You said you're going to prove Christianity to me.
>> Yeah, I >> could prove it. Why Why are you going to my religion? You need my religion to prove Christianity?
>> Just No, no, no, no, no.
>> All right. So, focus on Christianity, man.
>> Okay. Why only Christian um can cast the demons?
>> Prove it.
>> Jesus done it. Prove it.
>> You see how silly these? Okay. Why should I believe the Bible?
>> Because it's saying in Quran.
>> No, I don't I don't agree with your understanding. Why should I take your understanding?
>> The Christian, the real Christian can cast the demons.
>> Prove it.
I should I should be a very good Christian and I should have a possessed demon and you should be near me. That's that's how it's proving.
>> So you have to be in front of me and we have to have a possession.
>> Are you saying are you saying I have a demon?
>> No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
>> I said wait, wait, wait. I said you have to be in front of me to prove it, to understand it. Like >> why?
>> By without without seeing is not proof.
>> Open your camera and show me.
>> I didn't have any possessed people around me.
>> Are there a lot of them? I I don't understand.
>> First thing to prove it. Prove it. Is that mean you have >> Okay. So then you can't Okay. So you can't prove it right now, right?
Yes.
>> Okay, good. So, can you give me something where you could prove Christianity right now?
>> Uh, I have a question.
>> Did Muslim cast the demons?
>> Brother, can you prove Christianity right now? Yes or no? You, that's what you came up here and told me.
>> Yeah, Christian cast the demons.
>> But, okay. You can't prove that right now. Can you prove to me Christianity is true right now?
Yeah, you can see a lot of video on the internet.
>> Oh my god. Yeah, you can see a lot of videos of Muslims uh doing and getting rid of demons as well. That doesn't prove anything. I'm not going to use that as an evidence for my belief.
>> I didn't see any video when Muslim has the demons.
Okay.
Can you see?
Wow. Is Sam is true now?
>> You'll say I can say that this is false.
You'll say my video is false.
>> Exactly. So it doesn't prove anything.
>> That's my way. That's literally the point.
>> Okay. I don't have arguments because if if if if I'll say something, you'll say another thing. And to prove it, you have to look.
>> So you can't prove Christianity to me.
>> You can prove uh uh uh this one uh Muslims to me. I mean uh this your faith to me because >> But that's not the prompt. The prompt is why are you not Muslim?
>> Not me prove it to you. rather you tell me why you're not and then we could talk about the reasons why you're not.
>> You say my religion is false, I can say yours is false.
>> That's not that's not conductive to the actual prompt. I'm asking you why are you not Muslim >> because the the Christianity is true.
>> Okay, but you've not given us any reason as to why Christianity is true.
>> Have you talked ever?
>> Oh my god, bro. All right, man. Have a good night.
What the heck?
Hello.
>> Hello.
>> Yeah. What's up, man?
>> I'm just saying it's a interesting debate you're having with people.
>> Oh, appreciate it. Are you Christian, Jewish, atheist, Muslim? No, I am Muslim, but um what I'm a bit confused about is >> obviously you put the all these other religions. Um >> brother, I'm trying to just talk to non-Muslims right now. I appreciate it though.
>> Guys, if you're a Muslim, please don't request right now. I appreciate it.
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Hello.
>> Hi.
>> How are you?
>> I'm good. Actually, let me take you off my phone.
>> No worries.
>> Can you hear me well?
>> I can hear you. Yeah, it's a little bit muffled, but it's fine.
>> Okay. Hi, I'm Natalie. Nice to meet you.
What's your name?
>> Nice to meet you, too. I go by Itachi.
>> Itachi. Awesome.
>> All right. So, what brought you to start doing this >> um >> on Tik Tok?
>> I've been doing this for quite some time now. About six years. So, >> Oh, wow. So, you must be a pro, huh?
>> I don't know about all that, but well seasoned, you could say.
>> Awesome. Awesome. Are you in the US or No.
>> Yeah, I am.
>> Okay, cool. So, see, do you have a prompt? Why are why are you not Muslim?
So, I guess the answer to that question for me, I've had a lot of supernatural experiences that I've witnessed and that I've experienced myself in my body, you know, like I before I knew Christ, I I was living a life that was really just, you know, what everyone in the world does. They go out, not everyone, but you know what people when they don't have direction or purpose, they go out to numb themselves with drugs, right? they numb themselves with things that you know, drugs or addictions or relationships and whatnot.
So, I was in a relationship with a drug dealer at one point and me doing this besides that there was a lot of doors that I had opened to demonic spirits unknowingly, right? So just the things that I was doing, the people I had allowed into my life, I was opening these doors to unclean spirits to the point that when I finally, you know, God brought people into my life to draw me out of out of the place that I was I was, the Bible says the wages of sin, it leads to death, right? So when you're walking outside of God's will and you're walking separate from Christ, ultimately you're spiritually dying.
Even though people might not notice it, they might look okay and great and smiling in the outside, but if you were to be able to see them by the spirit, you're able to see that they're spiritual spiritually is they're dying, right? And there's a lot of people like that out right now, right? They might look great on the outside. They might even have a smile on their face, but there's demonic things tormenting them internally. And one thing I could tell you and testify to you is that, you know, like I've experienced a peace. I experienced joy. You know, I carry a presence of peace and joy not because it's me personally, but it's because of who lives inside of me, right? And the Bible says greater is he that lives inside of me than he that's in the world. So, I don't really deal with the things that not to say that I don't that I live a perfect life, right? But I don't deal with depression and I I don't have suicidal thoughts even though that's something I dealt with at one point. Like I had moments of fear and anxiety that I dealt with and I had a moment where I I really thought I was going to do something crazy because the things that I was opening doors to in the spirit realm, it was demonic, right?
There was witchcraft, people that were in my life, people that were openly doing witchcraft that later on God showed me those people had done something to me in that regard. So these things are real, right? Just like in Africa, there's voodoo, santia, and all this stuff is very real. So now I have a question for you. Do you believe in demons? Do you believe in like demonic spirits or No.
>> Yeah. But I don't know how this any of that proves Christianity true. So um if if all >> I am going to get to that. Yeah.
>> Okay. One sec. If all other religions, right, let's say Islam and Christianity, let's forget other religions. We'll talk about just those two. If Islam and Christianity both talk about demons and all of these different things, okay?
And I'm asking you to tell me why Christianity is true or why Islam is false. Well, using this idea of demons or my personal experiences or anything of this sort doesn't actually give us any substance to the conversation, right? Because like even if those things did happen to you, I'm not going to say they did or they didn't, right? Um but even if they did happen, they could be explained away in some other way, shape or form. Okay, you understand? Whereas when we talk about >> when we talk about, you know, proving a religion to be true or false, we want to have a good foundation that's built for it. Okay? Otherwise, if it's just based on our own experiences, there's no actual way to go and propagate this message to other people such that they would accept or reject the faith based off of what it actually is teaching. You understand?
>> Yeah. Okay. So, I'm going I'm going to reply back to that part. So, even in the Bible, it's not it's not telling us that a person can save you besides Christ, right? I'm I'm a I'm I'm a regular person, right? I'm a child of God.
>> No, I'm I didn't mean I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I I didn't mean that another person can save you. Okay.
>> Yeah.
>> What I'm saying specifically is, right?
Uh for example, the prophets, they all come with the teachings of God. Okay.
They come to lead the people back to the message of God and what God wants of them to do and to worship the only true God. Right. Okay.
>> Right. So it's it's not them saving them, but rather they're coming to guide them back to the truth. Okay.
>> Mhm.
>> Right. The only one who actually saves and all of these different things is going to be God himself. All right.
That's that's fine. I I don't disagree with that. But what I'm saying is, okay, >> is that us, okay? We as humans, right?
We as Muslims, for example, we believe that we're able to go and go out and preach the message of Islam. Similar to how Jesus in the Bible, he says, "Go ye and preach the gospel to all nations."
Right?
>> Right. And he's not saying, "Go and tell them about your personal experiences."
Rather, he's saying, "Tell them about the things that I've done. Tell them about the proofs that I came with and all these things." Right?
>> You understand? So, those are the things that we want to talk about. We don't It's not that we don't want to talk about personal experiences. It just it doesn't get us anywhere in the conversation. He understands.
>> Yeah. Okay. I mean, I think the evidence and the fruit of your God being real is the fact that, you know, it's like you could testify that that is a real and true God because of the things that you now have bore fruit to, right? Think about when you're having a baby, right?
The fruit of that person, you know, h consummating, let's say, a marriage.
Let's say the fruit of it is them procreating and having a child, right? A man and a woman came together. That's how you know that that happened is because a baby was birthed. There is the fruit of what happened there. So in the spirit, right? What's the fruit that you bear in your life because you have your God, right? Your form of God. I want to know what you've experienced that shows me that you have fruit in your life that this that your God is true. Because I I have fruit. I know I have fruit because I've experienced it, right? Like my life is the fruit. The fact that I'm alive is fruit. The fact that I'm flourishing, growing in different ways is the fruit.
>> Why can't I say the same thing though?
>> Yeah. Yeah. So that's why I'm asking what would you say?
>> No, I'm saying to you, why can't I just say the same thing you just said and say, "Yeah, this is the reason why my God is true."
>> No, I'm just proving the point that like I by the fact that I'm testifying.
>> But Natalie, Natalie, you're saying these things, okay? Anybody else from any other religion can say these things and say, "Therefore, my God is true because of this." Okay, it doesn't prove what you believe to be true. Okay, maybe for yourself it gives you some sort of, you know, reason that you should believe, but it doesn't give you a justified reason to believe. Okay, justified meaning that it's grounded in some sort of evidential thing.
>> Yeah, but I I I will tell you there is evidence. Like I've >> Okay, what's the evidence?
Well, you'd have to come down here to Florida and I could show you, but unless you're going to do all that, I don't think you would.
>> That's not okay. But that's not what we're talking about. Okay. So, is can Christianity actually be proven to be true without personal experience?
>> I'll tell you, you do need a personal encounter from God yourself. Actually experience him. Yeah.
>> Okay. So, then why why hasn't God come and given me a personal experience? I I'll pray right now to God. Oh true God, please give me some sort of experience or encounter such that I know that you are the true God.
>> I still believe in Islam.
>> Yeah. So the fact so if you're asking him, right, God hears you. It's not like he's not hearing you. And I do believe that that he the more the Bible says seek him and you will find him. So even this the fact that you're seeking in some way even though you might not realize what you're doing right now, there's a form of seeking you're doing.
Why? Because you're seeking other people's answers. God is doing something. even though you don't even notice that you're in it. Right? God is using this to tell people tell tell people and other people to tell you about Christ, right? So in this >> most of the people that come here and watch my life end up becoming Muslim.
>> Oh, okay. Well, I know that's not my case here, but on honestly >> that's fine. But the point is is because I give them substance. I don't tell them just personal experience. I give them proofs and evidences that they can actually go and observe from the text. I mean, hey, if there was a way I could prove to you I had demons in my body and they only came out in the name of Jesus, I would be a I will prove it to you in a in a second.
>> Right. But then So that's that's my point. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Natalie, Natalie, that's exactly my point. Okay.
>> So, I wasn't done talking.
>> But but this is the whole point is that since it's the case since it's the case you can't do that, right? What is something that you can show right now?
Okay. Or tell us about etc. where you can prove Christianity is true >> or give some sort of basis or reason, something that you can actually present to us now.
>> Well, I can present to you that Jesus loves you and that he died on a cross for you, which is the truth.
>> Oh, now if you >> Okay. Wait, wait, wait. Okay. Prove to me he died on the cross. That's good.
Let's start there.
>> Prove to you that he died on the cross.
>> Yes. What evidence do we have to suggest he actually died on the cross as opposed to not dying on the cross? Somebody else was the one that died on the cross.
>> It's actually very historical and many people have confirmed that it's history in the evidence in in this in this world. Like it's it's >> but there's also people that didn't believe it.
>> Yeah. But just because they don't believe it doesn't mean it's not true.
>> Right. So I'm asking what's the evidence?
>> Believe a lie and they think that it's the truth. Right.
>> Right. So that's why I'm asking you what's the evidence?
Well, I can't give you the evidence because I'm not God. I could all I could tell you is that Jesus loves you. And >> okay, my God loves me. He says that he is the most loving.
>> Uhhuh. I could testify to you that the Lord loves you. The true love.
>> My Lord. My Lord, he is the only Lord of all the worlds and all of things which exist. And he says that he is the most loving and he loves those who believe in him. And I believe in him. Therefore, he loves me.
>> So, I do have a question then. Um, in regards to your you believe you're saved by what? By works. No, I believe you're saved. I believe I'm saved by the mercy of God. By the mercy of God.
>> Okay. So, the mercy of God. So, I do have a question in regards to that because I have heard I'm not, you know, I don't know everything about the Islam religion. So, I do have a question in regards to um I do I have heard that um they believe you guys believe in um pretty much that it's based off of your your actions that you're saved.
>> No.
>> Uhhuh.
>> No, we don't believe that. So, there's a verse in the Quran that makes it very clear. So, it's uh firstly, it's qualified by intention. Okay. Um but the verse it says uh except for those who repent, believe, and do good, it is they who will be guaranteed paradise. Okay.
Paradise which is grant uh promised in trust to them by the most merciful.
Okay. So he says three specific things that you have to do with the proper intention. Okay.
>> Mhm.
>> Which is repentance, right? Meaning you leave the things that would pull you away from God, right? We know repentance is >> belief, right? So you have to have faith in God obviously, okay?
>> And doing good things. Okay? So it's faith and your works. But the first thing that's being spoken about is leaving the bad things, enjoining belief and then your works. Okay? The person who does these things with the correct intentions, obviously the only one who knows our intentions is God and ourselves, right? Um >> so the person who does these with the right intentions, they are guaranteed paradise. They are promised paradise by God.
>> Okay. And what's your paradise in your um in your book, your holy book for you?
What is that?
There's a number. Do you mean like what rewards do we receive and stuff?
>> Yeah, I want to I want to hear the reward.
>> Yeah, there's there's a number there's a number of different ones. The main and biggest one that is, you know, given to the believers on judgment day and afterwards um is being able to see and speak to our Lord, right? That's the the biggest thing that we could get, the biggest and greatest um reward that we could receive obviously.
>> And then >> I did Okay, sorry.
>> No, go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. Um, so I have heard of this other one that is, you know, I guess the men will get I don't know how many wives and and then >> Yeah, that's that's not true.
>> That's not true.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay.
>> Um, the most authentic narrations that talk about the number of wives that a man were free or anything of the sort is two. Nothing of 72 or anything. Yeah.
Two.
>> Okay. So, why does a man need two wives?
>> Um, because you get whatever it is that you desire in paradise. So >> if that's what they desire, then they can do that.
>> So their desire is like a lustful based paradise. So like based off of the flesh and the things of >> it's called desire. We're not talking about lust. No. So lust is going to be an improper rights um sort of affection that you would have towards somebody.
Okay. Um in so far as looking at somebody that's not married to you lustfully. Okay. But if you look at your wife in that manner, there's no issue with that, right? Because you should want to naturally, you know, look at your wife with love and affection and want to be with her and all of these things, right? So, it depends on the type of lust we're talking about. So, your desires >> Yeah. Exactly. So, your desires, it's not a bad thing necessarily. It just matters uh in regards to how they're being, you know, sort of enacted or where they're supposed specifically being directed at. You understand?
>> Yeah. So, so I do have a question in regards to that then. So, why would a good God, a perfect God, >> considering he created us humans, right, to have one one partner? At least I believe that that's the natural way that we should, you know, >> I don't believe that the God of the Bible even teaches that. I believe that many of the people, especially the prophets, um, had multiple wives according to the Bible and that there's nothing in the New Testament that forbids you from having multiple wives either.
Well, in the beginning, Adam and Eve were were created because they were the first made them good. Exactly. So, he that was the intention for >> No, in the beginning. Yeah. In the beginning, he created man and woman. And it wasn't until what Eve uh what Adam fell into into sin.
>> No, you were right. The first time it says Eve came in. No, the Bible says Eve.
>> Sorry. Yeah, I confused because it was Eve that >> the Quran says Adam and Eve, but yeah.
Go ahead. Mhm. Yeah. So my point is when God created man and woman, he created man and woman in the image of God, right? And he created one woman to to create and bear the child and now procreate. So why would a good God need to add another aspect into that, you know, like think about it when you deeply into it. Yeah, >> I got you. Okay.
>> I'm wondering what >> very very simply, very simply because God allows it. Okay. He allowed it for Abraham. He allowed it for Ishmael. He allowed it for Moses. He allowed it for Noah. He allowed it for Jacob. He allowed it for Solomon. He allowed it for David. Do you want me to keep going with the list of prophets?
>> So So actually, have you read the Bible before? Have you read the story? I've read the stories many times. And yes, and in Genesis, in Genesis, it says that Hagar is called his wife.
>> Yeah. But you know what happened? She was born a child outside of the covenant. And that child was >> No, that's not true.
>> So the covenant accounts regarding Isaac doesn't come until after like way after Abraham writes is given a message by God and Ishmael is given a message by God and he's told and Hagar actually as well um they're all told that Ishmael is going to be blessed by God. He's not cursed or anything of this. He's blessed.
>> I can show you the verse if you'd like.
>> Let me I wish I had my iPad here. I'll get back on another day, but I >> I can I can pull it up on the on the on the screen. One second.
>> In the in the scripture, it tells us that Isaac was the promised child, right? Why? Because it was created in the confines of of the of the marriage that was between Abraham and Sarah. And because they took their eyes off of God's promise and and they chose to choose the works of the flesh and not listen to God, that's when the sin came in. And the sin was bore. or any unholy.
>> No, no, no. Okay. You have to bring me the verse that says sin. There's not a single verse that says it was a sin.
That's incorrect.
>> Yeah, but you you have to read keep reading and see.
>> I've I've read the entirety of the Bible a multitude of times, especially this Genesis story of Abraham. There is nothing that indicates that it was a sin.
>> There's I'll show you actually. Okay.
So, is God is God going to reward them if it was a sin?
Is God going to reward them? So, here's one thing about God, right? The Bible says he works all things out for the good of those who love God and are called according to his purpose. So, regardless of the fact that Abraham did step out on his marriage and they chose to do something that was outside of God's will because God told them >> to trust in him, right? And because they chose to not trust in God in that moment, they went and they said, "You know what? Go to Hagar. go ahead and and have sex with her and then have a kid because I didn't trust God in that moment. So, I'm going to go ahead and step out of the confines of what God's will is and do things my way because I think my way is better than God's way.
So, just like in in life, people do things their way thinking that that's what God wants them to do, thinking that that's the best option for their life, but it actually births death in their life. Right? Think about many times that people they end up going and they they do things based off of what they think is best. Right?
>> Okay. But Natalie, Natalie, God speaks directly to Hagar and he tells her that he has heard her cry for help or heard the boy's cry for help. Okay, here in Genesis 21:17, it says, "God heard the boy crying and the angel of God called to Hagar from heaven and said to her, "What is the matter, Hagar? Do not be afraid. God has heard the boy crying as he lies there. Lift the boy up and take him by the hand, for I will make him into a great nation." Okay. Do you know what the name Ishmael means?
>> Not specifically, but I know >> it means God hears, >> right? God has heard first of all, um, if you know the story of Abraham to begin with, right? And Sarah, the reason why Hagar ends up marrying Abraham is because Sarah couldn't bear children, right? She was old. Correct.
>> As she thought.
>> As she thought. Yes. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. That's not an issue. So Abraham, right, she ends up giving Sarah ends up giving Abraham Hagar to be his wife as Genesis says, right?
>> Mhm.
>> Okay.
>> He I don't believe he actually gave her.
>> No, she didn't.
>> He chose to do it. They they chose to do it outside of God's >> No, it says that she's his wife >> because Okay. Just because he made her the wife doesn't mean that it was in the eyes of God. People get married.
>> So where does God where does God punish him for it? of God's will.
>> So is he sinful for it?
>> The punishment is seen even in today's world.
>> One second. One second. Is he sinful for it? And if so, what is your evidence for that?
>> There is evidence. I I I will have to go back because I don't have my Bible with me directly and I can't search it up.
>> Okay. Yeah, there's there's no verse that says that though because I've read this ver I've read this story so many times. It's one of my favorite stories in the Bible. Right. There's nothing there. you still didn't really make the point where it was like okay like how is how is that still good to have another wife when even though she had he did choose to have a wife like I said people choose to get married that doesn't mean that's God's will people do it every day look at this world why do you think it's >> right so I'm asking you why in the next >> and it's not the person God really wanted you to get married >> so that's why I'm asking you in the next chapter okay so that's Genesis 16 where it says that she he was given to him as a wife okay >> in Genesis Okay, it talks about Abraham and the first covenant that was given to him.
Okay, the covenant of circumcision, right?
>> So if God was mad or upset with Abraham, why would he give him first of all a covenant, the first covenant, which is a covenant of circumcision. This is before Isaac is born. Okay? But Ishmael is born here. Okay? Secondly, he says that all of his descendants are included in it.
Mhm.
>> Okay. And thirdly, he says that he is going to bless him and bless him with a number of descendants as plentiful as the stars. And he says that whoever blesses Abraham will bless him. Right?
God will bless him. And whoever curses Abraham, God will curse him. Okay?
>> Right? So he's not he's not saying anything to punish him about it. Rather, he's giving him more rewards and more bounties is what we see. We don't see any instance where he's punishing him.
So you need to experience the punishment in order to realize that that's not something that was God's will.
>> Yeah. The whole point is that he doesn't give any he doesn't give any indication to say that this was something which was wrong. That's a conclusion you're coming to that's not found within the text.
>> So you you have to see the punishment in order to because there was a form of punishment and the punishment is still happening today.
>> Okay. But I'm talking about Abraham.
We're talking about Abraham.
>> Uhhuh. Yeah. But the the nations that are the the the descendants of Ishmael, think about those nations and what's going on in those nations.
>> Yeah, those nations, God blesses them according to Genesis as well. And he says that the descendants of Abraham, right? Uh sorry, he says that the descendants of Ishmael specifically, he's going to make them into a great nation. That's number one. Two, God also talks about the promised land from Genesis chapter 15 onwards, right? And he says that this land is from the Euphrates to the Red Sea. Do you know where the Euphrates and the Red Sea is?
>> Not exactly.
>> It's between Arabia where all of those descendants of Ishmael are found. So the promised land is given to the Israelites apparently according to the Bible.
>> Mhm.
>> Right. Well, I will say I still don't understand why a a god that's a god of order, a god that is a good and perfect god would want to >> uh why he would give the promised land to the Ishalites that according to you are born out of wedlock.
>> No problem.
Oh, brother. All right, let me bring Bernetti up.
What's up, man? Oh, I wanted I wanted to uh bring up uh David with that woman, but you uh >> No, it's okay. It's okay. Forget that.
Forget that. Do you do you have time or no? Are you able to talk?
>> Uh yeah, I kind It's just that I'm at work at the moment. So, I mean, if the chat's fine with my mic, then I'm good for speak. I don't mind.
>> Are you guys good with his mic or no?
Should I bring Bass in?
>> You can bring both of us.
>> I don't know. He's not even in here.
>> No. Uh, they said you're fine.
>> All right, I'll bring up the next person for you.
>> No, send the live to Basel as well.
>> Yeah, >> I might need to speak to someone or something. I might Hello, I >> Hello. Hello, everybody. Hello.
>> Hello.
you okay?
>> Yes, I'm here. I'm Hello everyone.
>> Are you Muslim, Christian, Jewish, atheist?
>> I am actually the the citizen of the orange planet planetia.
>> What?
>> I'm citizen of the orange planet Orangia.
>> Thank you for your time, brother.
What the hell happened?
>> What's up? What's up, guys?
>> Yo, there's 1.1K people in here. Damn.
>> All right, let's uh let's uh see.
Zach, >> how you all doing today?
>> Good, good.
>> Hello, Zach.
>> Yeah, I'm u the reason I'm I'm not Muslim is I'm concerned that the prophet Muhammad is not in line with the previous prophets.
>> Okay.
>> The reason specifically I'm looking at is he seems to restrict the name Yahweh for God.
He restricts the name Yahweh.
>> Restrict Yahweh.
>> Okay. So, anyone who restricts the name Yahweh or doesn't call God by the name Yahweh is not a true prophet.
>> Just the first statement.
>> Sorry.
>> So, you said two things. Just the first one.
>> Yeah.
>> So, you're saying that anyone who restricts the name Yahweh is a false prophet, >> right? It says that it's not a name.
Does the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam ever say that it's not a name?
>> Yeah, he makes an exclusionary statements about the names of of >> Okay, go ahead and show me where he said that Yahweh was never a name.
>> Yeah. So, he makes an exclusionary statement. So, in >> show me where he says he that God's name was never Yahweh. Denies it outright.
>> What? Do you know what an exclusionary statement is?
>> I know what an exclusionary statement is. You said that anyone who says that God's name was not Yahweh is a false prophet. Now, even according to the biblical standard, Abraham never called God by the name Yahweh. Right? So, therefore, you would have to concede that Abraham would be a false prophet as well. Right?
>> I just clarified to you this. You you said two things and I said just the first, >> brother, are you listening? Are you listening? You said that anyone who says that uh that God's name is not Yahweh is a false prophet. Now, the prophet Muhammad sallallahu alaihi wasallam never said that God's name was never Yahweh. What we do is since the Quran says s on it, we don't affirm neither we don't affirm that God's name used to be Yahweh. Neither do we deny that God's name used to be Yahweh. Just as the prophet Muhammad sallallaihi wasallam never affirmed that God's name used to be Yahweh or he denied it. He never affirmed it nor deny it. And that's what we do. Right? So now I want I want you to uh I want you to pay attention in the Old Testament, right? Abraham says or or rather God says that they that Abraham never knew the name Yahweh. So Abraham would have never known the name Yahweh and never called him by Yahweh. So therefore, according to your standard, he would have been a false prophet. Do you understand?
>> I just clarified to you what my standard was, which was not what you described. I can go ahead and do that again for you.
>> Is this is this guy okay? You said exclusionary statements, correct?
>> Yeah. Did Abraham make an exclusionary statement about the names of God?
>> No, but what he did >> Okay, so you just conceded your argument. So go ahead, brother. We're not going to talk. I'm just going to drop >> We're done with Abraham. Let's move on.
One second.
>> You just succeeded Abraham. Let's move on. I'm trying to make it.
>> What the hell? No, I'm saying that the prophet Muhammad wasallam when when the prophet Muhammad was rather the Quran says, "Do not abuse Allah's names, we only use what we know for Allah, what was given to us, what was ordained to us as a nation." Correct? But however there was a dua that the prophet Muhammad sallall alaihi wasallam made in an authentic hadith where he says um uh I call upon you Allah by your by the names you've revealed to me and all the names you have revealed to the past nations.
So there are names that were revealed to the past nations which we do not know about right which we do not know about.
Uh and if Yahweh was one of those names there would be no issue right but we neither affirm nor deny it right. So, so he never gohead sorry that just to just uh chime in here. You you do have no issue with God abrogating names for himself, right?
There is no issue here, right? Just to confirm that.
>> You'd have to be more specific on what you mean.
>> So when God has a name for himself, when God allows a name for himself, he can he can abregate said name and say don't call me by this name anymore. Right.
I mean we I can say sure God has the providence to do that just not a pro not a prophet I mean >> okay okay that's good so God can abregate names for himself right >> sure >> okay >> sense yeah >> uh yeah so again I'll go ahead and clarify my position a little bit for for the guy appreciate you uh mine if that's one be called >> what >> so because the prophet specifically says that we cannot use names that have not been revealed. He doesn't just say that we don't know names. It's that because we it has not been revealed, we cannot use it. So unless the concession here is that the name Yahweh was revealed, then we can talk about what the implications of that would be.
>> But if unless you can show that there's a an over like a specification, let me just finish my point, brother. It's almost done. Unless you can show Hold on, brother. Chill. Unless you can show that it was explicitly abregated or that it was explicitly revealed, then you run into this problem.
>> Why do I need to show that it's specifically abregated? Why don't I do that?
>> Because there's no such thing.
>> I can just I can just stay agnostic on it and say, "Yeah, God told God names in the past." What's the issue with that?
>> If you're going to be agnostic on it, then by calling God Yahweh, you're committing church.
>> What? How would I be commit? How would I be committed?
>> How would that how would that be associating partner? God. Go ahead.
>> That's what I said. Hold on.
>> A well.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Imitate has said that by associating names that have not been revealed with Allah to >> is sh.
>> Okay. Okay. And I can just say Yahweh was revealed in the past. Okay.
>> Yeah. If the concession here is that Yahweh was real in the past, you have to show me where in Revelation it was revealed.
>> I I don't No, I can just agnostic on it.
>> Okay.
>> I don't have to I don't have to I have to >> the the the cognitive diss you can't say that it was you you you're not being agnostic on it. The statement that Yahweh was revealed in the past is not agnostic.
>> I could I could say >> that's an active claim. That's a claim.
So you can justify that claim or you can say that you're agnostic and you don't know if it was revealed in the past.
>> This is [ __ ] so slow.
>> Oh, you dropped him.
>> He's slow, bro.
>> It just took me a bit to find it.
>> No. So he made a false claim, by the way. He said that um he doesn't just say we don't know but he literally the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam literally makes a dua um asking Allah by his names by his names that was revealed to him and the revealed names of the previous nations. So that's a lie. He just straight up >> anyway. Oh, he's okay. Never mind.
Different guy.
>> Let me seeah.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
Uh Okay, that guy didn't come up. He's not loading in.
>> Hello.
This guy's not loading another >> yo. What's good?
>> Hello.
>> How y'all doing today? Can y'all hear me?
>> How's it going? How's it going? Yeah, we can hear you. What's up?
>> I need to switch my other account.
>> I'm good.
>> Yep. Yeah, I can hear you.
>> Hey, what's up? So, >> what's up? What's up? Are you a non-Muslim? You a Christian?
>> I'm a Christian, brother.
>> Okay, beautiful. Uh, why you not a Muslim?
>> Cuz y'all don't believe in the Trinity and y'all can't y'all can't hear from God.
>> Sorry.
>> That's You can't hear from God directly.
Like God sees >> Muslims can't hear from God directly.
>> Yeah. Y'all told That's what that's what I heard from Muslims.
>> Muhammad.
>> Okay. So, yes, nonprphets cannot hear from God directly, right? Yeah. But >> how does this prove that Islam is false?
Because we can hear from God directly.
>> You can hear from God directly.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. What does God sound like?
>> What are you saying?
>> What does God sound like? You said you can hear from him directly. What does he sound like?
>> Hi, brother. Are you there? What does God sound like? I want to know.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Can you tell me? So, I can you hear me?
>> Yeah, I can hear you. What does God sound like?
>> Hold on. It says I got little bars. Hold on real quick.
>> I'm trying to fix it. What does God sound like?
>> Yeah. Yeah. So, so you said that you said it's not >> Yeah, I got you. So, what you said was that Muslims cannot speak to God directly, right? Therefore, you're not a Muslim. So, since Christians can obviously, you know, speak to God directly. Can you tell me please what God sounds like? Can you describe his voice to me?
>> You know what discernment is?
>> Do I know what what is >> discernment? To have discernment.
>> No.
>> You know what that means? Okay. That's what Well, that's what it sounds like.
>> It sounds like deserment.
Deserment. You know what the >> discernment?
>> Yes.
>> Okay. Okay.
>> I probably got to switch my I probably got to switch my profiles. Sorry.
>> Okay.
>> But go ahead. Let's Let's go. Let's go.
Let's do it.
>> So So God So So God sounds like discernment.
>> Discernment. Yes. He'll give you He'll show you.
>> Brother, what word are you saying?
Discernment. Discernment. What What does What does this word you're saying?
>> Yes. Discernment.
>> Okay. Discernment. What does discernment sound like? What does it sound like?
>> So like it'll be a voice be like Well, it be like your conscience, but you know it's the Holy Spirit telling you. You said it'll be your You said it'll be a voice, right?
>> Right.
>> Okay. What does that voice sound like?
What does it sound like? Is it your own voice or is it like a a voice different from yours?
>> Aka AK it kind of be like your conscious. I'm not going to lie to you.
I'll be straight up with you.
>> You take uh you take uh the green leaf.
>> The what?
>> You take the green leaf. Be honest.
>> See, that's why.
>> Yes.
I like it though. It's funny. It's funny though.
>> I'm not trying to No, the fact that I'm asking >> That's funny though.
>> Yeah. No, but but it goes to mockery though that that you you can't That's one thing you shouldn't do is blasphe the Holy Spirit.
>> Oh, does it always go to mockery in the past? Wait, does it always go to mockery? Hold on. Does it always go to mockery when you tell people God's voice sounds like discernment? Does it always go to mockery?
>> You said what? I didn't hear you, but you sound >> He said, "Is it mockery that you tell go you go around telling people that God's voice sounds like discernment?"
>> So, so basically, so Jesus sounds like discernment. Jesus sounds like, >> okay, let's speed this up. Okay. What's your best evidence for Christianity?
>> I just told you the Holy Spirit. It'll tell you >> the Holy Spirit.
>> Yes, sir.
You got to you got to uh >> Yeah, you got to experience you got to experience to see it.
>> Okay. So, until I experience Holy >> Guys, I'm get so happy. So, until I experience Holy Spirit, I can't know if Christianity is true.
>> Yes. Hey, then I got a I got a verse to back it up that God uh was human before he got on the ground.
>> Why Why should I believe what the Bible says about God?
>> I mean, that's your opinion, brother.
>> No. Why? No. Prove it. Why should I believe what the Bible says about God?
>> Cuz you got to test the spirit by the spirit.
>> What?
>> What?
Stop giving me hocus pocus replies and give me an honest answer. How do I know what the Bible says is true?
>> I just said you got to test the spirit by the spirit.
>> What does it mean to test the spirit by the spirit? What does that mean? How do I do that?
>> With the with with a pure heart, you got to be pure. Like don't be like, "Oh, well go do this or show me this."
>> That doesn't prove that God is >> Yeah. But that doesn't tell us what parts of the Bible are true or not.
>> You're breaking up.
>> You're breaking up.
>> You are breaking up.
All right.
Let me see what's Oh, never mind.
>> I think there's almost something that request.
>> Hello.
>> Yeah. Can I >> Yeah. How are you, Matthew?
>> Who?
>> I'm sorry.
>> And you?
>> I'm good.
>> Oh, okay. Good. Um, yeah, I'm good. Uh, are you a Christian?
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. Okay. Why are you not Muslim?
>> I'm not Muslim because I don't want to go to hell.
>> Well, if you remain a non-Muslim, you will go to hell.
>> No, but doesn't it say in the Quran that every Muslim goes to hell?
>> N surah 1971.
>> What's it say?
>> Yeah, you read it.
>> Oh, tell me what does it say?
>> I don't have the arm. I don't have a >> So, how do you know that that verse says that or doesn't say that?
>> Yeah, but you could you could read it.
>> No, but where'd you get that from if you don't know the verse?
>> All right, hold on. Hold on. I'm going to get >> I'm asking you where did you get that from if you don't know what the verse says?
>> What do you mean?
>> I mean, how do you know?
>> Okay, so the verse says there is certainly >> It says there is certainly none, but that they will pass over it.
>> All right.
>> Does it say anything about hell?
>> No, hold on. Hold on. Read 70 to 71 for your viewers.
>> I have it memorized to tell them that you're not going to hell. I >> already have it memorized. And yeah, it doesn't say that anybody's going to hell.
>> It doesn't say that Muslims are going to hell.
>> I'm going to get it for you.
>> I I got it. Don't worry. I'll put it on the screen.
I want you to read here first. Okay.
You're going to start reading for me.
Read.
Hold on. Hold on.
>> Read.
>> Hey, you're not Jibre and I'm not Muhammad.
>> Read, brother. Read.
>> Oh my god.
>> Cole is not read.
>> What doesn't Doesn't it mean say?
means say not read.
>> All right, cool. What's the difference?
Right. So, and we truly know.
>> Can you read?
>> Best is the most deserving of burning.
>> Can you Can you read what's on the screen?
>> Yet some people ask me after I die.
What does that have to do with what I said?
>> Just read. It's the context.
>> Okay, >> read it. Yet some people are mocking the after I die will re will it's I can't go ahead >> go up again.
>> Okay.
>> After I die will I really be raised to life again?
>> Mhm.
>> Keep going.
Do such people not remember that we created them before when they were nothing.
>> Mhm.
>> Keep going.
>> Lord, by your Lord or prophet, we will surely gather them along with the devils and then set them around hell on their knees.
>> Which people?
>> Who's them? Who's them?
>> Yeah. The people who ask mockingly, "After I die, will I really be raised to life again?" Do such people not remember that we created them before when they were nothing. By your Lord, O prophet, we will surely gather them along with the devils and then set them around hell on their knees. Keep going.
>> Okay. Then we will certainly begin by dragging out of every group the one. So who what's every >> Keep reading.
>> I am reading. I'm asking.
>> Okay. Read. Read. And it answers your question.
>> All right. The ones who the ones most defiant to the most compassionate. So, >> the disbelievers.
>> No, no, no, no.
>> Oh, Muslims are not Muslims are defiant to the most compassionate.
>> Hold on. Yes.
>> Really? So, it's talking about it's talking about people who disbelieve in the day of judgment.
>> It's talking about every group.
>> No, it's literally saying Hold on. Hold on. It says, okay, these are people who disbelieve in the day of judgment. Can you be a Muslim and disbelieve in the day of judgment?
>> I don't know. You tell me.
>> You can't because it's one of the articles of faith in Islam.
Okay. So then it continues. It says, "We will certainly begin by dragging out of every group the ones who most defiant to the most compassionate >> and we truly keep it's not the context."
Yeah, referring specifically to those who disbelieve in God. Now, keep reading.
>> So, so >> keep reading. Keep reading. Keep read.
Muslims disbelieve in God.
>> Yeah.
>> You have no Muslims. You have Muslims who are just born as Muslims. What?
What?
>> Muslims disbelieve in God. Guys, Julie, are you cursing on purpose or on accident?
[ __ ] If you go on purpose, I'll bring you up.
Hold on.
Put me up. Put me up. Say less, son.
>> Hello.
>> Hello.
>> I miss you.
>> I miss you, too. That's what you're here for?
>> Yeah. I'm like, I can't talk to this girl on a dayto day, so let me catch her on the live. By the way, guys, this girl literally has my number. She can message me whenever, but it's cool. That was good to hear your voice.
>> Too cool for me now, though.
>> Never, never, never. That was hilarious, bro. This guy's actually nuts. It's been so long and I'm actually like, how are people speaking like this still in this day and age?
>> They're always like this, man. It's It's tough out here. Not always. There's some good ones that come up, but Wait, what was her name? Jessica or something?
>> The other girl? No, Natalie.
>> Oh, Natalie.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Well, she was honest. I appreciated her.
Like, she was saying, "No, I don't know what that means." That was nice.
>> I don't know about all that. I don't know about all that.
Okay. Well, I'm gonna go um do your thing.
>> Text you. without texting.
All right.
>> How do I get out of >> I got you. I got you.
>> Okay. Let's see.
>> Hello.
>> Hello.
>> Yeah. How are you, sir?
>> I'm doing good. How you doing?
>> Doing pretty fine myself?
>> Yeah. Oh, well, thanks for letting me in. Uh, I'm still like somebody that's trying to search for the truth. I know a bit here and there, but my reason of not being a Muslim is totally on um Muhammad character, you know.
>> Okay. Are you Christian, Jewish, atheist?
>> I'm I'm a Christian.
>> Okay.
And yeah, just my reason of of uh not being a Muslim is because uh I don't think that Muhammad is a good moral or leader.
>> Where does morality come from, sir?
>> From God, you know, >> right? So if he's coming with the message of the true God and he's in line with the message of the true God, then his morality can't be brought into question. If it's a case that God says that those things are good, >> can I So you're saying that >> just because anybody can prof profess >> No, not because anybody professes it.
Obviously, you have to evaluate whether or not what they're saying is true. But you don't do that via the morality. Hold on. Hold on. You don't do that via evaluating morality. You do that via evaluating the truth claims that they make.
>> Morality, moral claims are not truth claims.
>> No, >> you evaluate character, right? This person is >> no do not know. You evaluate the revelation that they come with in so far as the truth claims that it makes.
>> That's not including morality.
>> So anybody can come up with a message and the only way >> Hey, track what I'm saying. Track what?
No. No. Track what I'm saying. Hey, you got to start tracking, brother. You got to start tracking. Okay. No, no, no, no.
Don't. The the plane the plane already landed in the Pacific Ocean. Okay. Pay attention.
>> It hasn't, though. It hasn't. You have not. Let me >> pay attention. Okay, I'm going to say it one more time. When it comes to evaluating whether or not somebody is telling the truth or not, okay, you don't look at moral claims that they're making. Rather, you look at the truth claims that they are making. Truth claims include things like prophecies or facts or historical basis, anything of the sort. Okay? They do not include moral claims. Right? So if it's the case all of the three things I stated to you above are true that Muhammad peace be upon him says then you have no reason to reject him as being a true prophet go the moral statements that he makes would be just now can you get to an actual argument because I promise you if you go into morality it's going to look 10 times worse for you from the Bible now you can speak if you address what I just Okay. I personally I'm not looking for an argument, you know. I have to be honest. It's more so uh me.
>> Hello.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. How are you, sir?
>> Yeah, I'm good. Um, can you read Can you read? Same guy. Same guy.
>> Oh my god.
Hello.
Oh, Andrew. Um, I tried to bring you up.
You didn't load in.
If you want to come, you got a request, man. All right.
No worries. No worries.
Hello.
>> Hello.
>> Yeah. How are you? Are you Christian, Jewish, atheist or >> Good. How are you? Please speak Arabic.
I am Muslim.
>> Okay, brother. I'm trying to speak to non-Muslims right now.
>> No, you speak Arabic.
>> I I speak Arabic, but I'm trying to talk to Muslims. Uh, sorry, non-Muslims.
If you're a non-Muslim, be sure to request up and let's talking.
>> Hello.
>> Hello.
>> Okay. Uh, where do I go? What do What do you want me to say?
>> Well, I just want to know, are you Christian?
>> No, I'm not Christian. I'm not Muslim either.
>> Have I spoken to you before?
>> No, I've never seen this live stream before. Okay. What do you believe in?
>> I believe in the vastness of space and the absence of a deity.
>> Okay. So, you're an atheist?
>> Yes. Yes.
>> Cool. Read the prompt next time.
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>> Hello.
>> What the hell?
>> That's destroyed by Sunday's little brother. I think you're getting too many troll guests. There's too many Muslims on the panel. I I'll drop so you can get more.
>> Appreciate you guys. Hello.
>> Hello.
>> Yeah. What's up, man?
>> What's up?
>> Are you Muslim? You say, "Why are you not a Muslim?"
>> Yeah. Are you Christian?
No, I'm not a Christian.
>> Sorry, I'm trying to speak to Christians right now, bro.
>> I I I am from the uh religion of the Alz.
>> I'm sure you are. Your father probably told you about that.
>> Hello.
>> Hey.
>> Yeah. How are you?
>> I'm good. I'm good. Um, I just, you know, can you, um, can I just make a statement or just ask you why you taking this approach?
>> Are you Muslim?
>> I'm I'm not religious. No.
>> What do you mean by taking this approach?
>> Why people need to come in here and prove their religion to you if you're so convinced of your own? And I'm not trying to like discuss or being offense of anything. I'm just trying to understand. They don't they don't need to. If they want to come up and talk about it, we could talk. Um I'm fine with my religion. I'm content with my religion. I'm just asking them why they don't believe in it.
>> Mhm.
>> Yeah. Because I'm commanded by my God to spread my religion. So this is the way that I'm choosing to do it. And >> okay. Um well the reason why I would say just from the top of my head why I wouldn't believe in Muhammad as a prophet and um the how do you call it like the prophecy that he was given by God um I think a God who's perfect got like a really good prophecy that is stable and can't be shaken off shouldn't be scared of criticism shouldn't be scared scared of reflection. Shouldn't be scared of being questioned. And um the reason why I would never ever >> But he experienced all those things in his lifetime though.
>> Say again.
>> He experienced those things when he was alive on Earth, right? He got beaten. He was, you know, >> Oh, but we weren't there. We weren't there. We don't know if that was true or not.
>> We do know because we have it historically recorded.
That's a bizarre skeptical claim >> external to the book as well. You have it in the writings of Christians and so on.
>> Yeah. I mean even the like even the Christian book who says >> no not in the Bible. I'm saying like people that are contemporary to the time like they they existed in that time period. They would write about Muhammad peace be upon him for example. They would write about the things that he went through and all of these different things. So it's not just about Islamic texts. Do you also find evidence for these things outside of Islam?
>> Okay. But the majority is following his prophecy. No.
>> No. Well, I don't understand what you mean by that. So, >> oh, well, the majority is um living according to the prophecy that he was passed on to by God.
>> Do you mean the revelation?
>> Yeah. Yeah. That's >> No, the revelation isn't in regards to his lifetime. The revelation is in regards to what people are commanded to submit to. Um, if you want to know about his lifetime, that's going to be in regards to his biography. That's different.
>> Oh, no, that's not what I mean. I mean like the Quran that is um >> Yeah, the Quran doesn't talk about >> Isn't about the revelation then? Is is that not about the revelation?
>> Yeah, but the revelation isn't talking about Muhammad's life.
>> But who wrote the who wrote the the um the Quran?
>> We believe the author is God.
>> Yeah. But who wrote it? Actually >> the companions wrote it down or transcribed it?
>> Companions of who?
>> Peace be upon him. Yeah. But it's not a biography of him.
>> Yeah. Nobody claimed.
>> I never said it's a biography of him. I said it's it's the revelation of God that was um >> Yeah, but nobody claimed that it was written by him anyway.
>> Okay. Does any of the um stories cuz I'm trying to like understand is this because there are there are rumors about him being in deaf on one ear or even both ears not being able to um hear properly. Is that somehow noted or been written about in one of the um stories of his companions who wrote about his life?
>> What are you talking about?
I'm just I'm just trying to like because see the thing is like I'm trying to find out if it's even possible that he got everything right. Um because he wasn't even able to >> if you're talking about it being possible from a natural sense, no it's not because the probability of it is near zero.
>> So why are you asking people to always prove things? Because proof for me is >> Do you understand what I just said? I don't think you understood. No, no, I don't think you understood what I just said. The thing is like the whole approach is about asking people to prove something that is based on belief.
>> I don't think that you understand.
>> If you want to believe something, you believe it because you're convinced that you want to believe it. It's not about proving something, right? And I can tell you one thing for me personally, every religion book based or not has proven that and especially the Quran which is very misleading because so many people consider themselves as Muslim but everyone is living it out or interpreting it so differently. I literally just came out of a stream where a person said it's um if someone is um committing crime sues like um murder or whatever if he asks um Allah to be forgiven for Allah forgives everyone and everything but then there is the idea of going to hell which is then not um applicable to that person because that person's got to be forgiven by God over and over again no matter What? So, I'm not talking about if it's right or wrong. I'm talking about I don't know. I I don't I don't care what you heard.
Hold on. Hold on. Oh my god. You're talking for like five minutes straight.
I'm not able to get like more than a sentence out.
>> Well, I'm here to talk obviously. So, >> yeah. You're here to talk but not talk the entire time, right? It's supposed to be a discussion. Oh my god.
>> It's possible that everyone >> get off my panel. There's actually no way. Like, I literally just said, "Yeah, you can talk." I didn't even get to finish the sentence.
Oh my god.
All right.
Hello.
All right. Goodbye. If you're a non-Muslim request up, I'm pretty sure this was the kid from yesterday.
>> Hello.
>> Hello.
>> How old are you? Just is it is it more than two numbers?
>> Like is it one or like two?
>> Yeah. Um >> two.
>> What is it backwards?
Like the second.
>> No. How old are you? Backwards.
What year are you born?
Hello.
Oh.
Oh, man. I'm just I have to ask because obviously like you sound very young and Tik Tok gets censored and stuff.
>> Hey, how you doing?
>> I'm good, man. How are you? Are you Christian, Jewish, atheist?
>> Uh, I'm not a Muslim. That's it.
>> Okay. What are you?
>> I don't believe religion. Nothing.
>> You're an atheist?
>> Well, not really. I believe in God but >> okay. So you're a theist. Okay, no problem.
>> Kind of.
>> Why are you not Muslim?
>> So I had a question, two questions.
>> The second question relates to the first one. So if I believed in Allah, will I go to heaven or hell?
>> Uh it depends.
>> So eventually will I go to heaven?
>> Uh again depends because if you just claim to believe in God but not, you know, follow what it is that God tells you in your I didn't finish the answer.
Cool. So if you claim to believe in God but don't follow the things that he commands of you, then you wouldn't be considered a Muslim. So if you're not a Muslim, then you wouldn't enter into paradise. You would remain in hell. So there are people who just believe in gods and you know they don't do anything that God asks of them. There go they're rejecting God.
>> So >> why are people telling me to drop?
>> Are you a blasphemer?
>> No, I'm not. Am I do I am I blaspheming or >> No, but I'm saying in past lives So, I'm not blaspheming. I'm not saying anything.
>> Get off my filthy.
>> Hello.
>> I'm a [ __ ] loving man.
>> That's the best that they got for their religion, man. Crazy.
>> Hey, Ank is on the panel, man.
Yeah, you can call me King Toot.
>> King Toot. No, I'm g call you an >> exactly. Anyway, uh I was listening before, but >> it's very hard to hear you.
>> No, yeah. Yeah, no problem. Make sure you follow I think I heard him say he was a Muslim before and then he left.
Yeah.
Hello.
>> Let me see your titties.
Is that right?
Hello.
Hello.
>> Hello. Hello.
>> Yes.
>> How are you?
>> I'm fine. How are you?
>> I'm doing well.
>> Okay.
Are you Christian, Jewish, atheist?
>> I am a little bit a Christian. I am a little bit Muslim and I a little bit of harch Christian devotey because I have read three books actually. It means I have those three codes.
>> Oh, so if I if I read Harry Potter, do I become a wizard?
>> Yes, a little bit. I think some some part You didn't have to double down, man. You could have said no. I would have taken you seriously if you said no.
You're a hizard, Barry.
Hello.
>> Read her Bible.
>> Bible.
How do I >> uh I think I'm getting indications that I should end the live. Yeah. What's up, man?
>> I know you said no uh Muslims, but I should have quick uh 37 questions for you if you can answer them real quick.
Hello Naz Naz. Hello. Oh, okay. Accident.
Hello Neba.
All right. Goodbye.
A quick 37 then. Jolani this is Hello.
>> Hello.
>> Yes.
Hi. Um, sorry, I'm Muslim.
>> Okay.
>> Um, I have a quick question. Do you guys interpret uh dreams?
>> No, I don't interpret dreams.
>> That's fine. Thank you.
>> No worries.
Hello.
>> Yeah. Um, I would say thanks for having me. Um, can you hear me?
>> Yeah, I can hear you.
>> Yeah. Um I first of all I shouldn't say um uh I'm grateful for what you've been doing. I'm a Muslim but I do have a question though. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Regarding uh Kirat I'm not uh advancing or knowledgeable but I do want to have your opinion on this because of God.
>> They give us a question. Yeah, it's um just one sec. It's on surah because I usually have the opinion of the different kro has um different data but they carry the same meaning. Okay.
>> No, not all of them carry the same meaning.
So, >> so uh the general theme of the story can be the same but some of the words can be different and hold different meanings.
For example, and right um one of them can say go and unal alive. The other one is saying that you know they were unal alived right referring to the two different groups for example. You understand?
>> That makes sense. Well, I understand that context. But in terms of let's say for example um as uh one of my friends showed me this this >> what verse >> uh as >> yeah what verse I don't know but if you're familiar with the Egypt and Agyp in different kats >> yeah I was astonished and you were astonished what's the issue >> yeah it was like um in in in one kat it was I And >> the other user he was trying to say is Allah shocked because if you're shocked then obviously you're ignorant and >> no there's no issue because we know like there's other verses for example where Allah says that he is going to forget but when he talks about this type of forgetting it's contextualized in the sense where he says that he's going to forget about those who forgot about him meaning he's no longer going to pay them any mind right so here when he's talking about him being shocked is obviously not saying that he's shocked in regards to the fact that he learned something new rather that it is more in regards to the situation like why would the people do this right but he already knew about it obviously so >> so do you and I don't you think there's a contradiction to that I believe the Quran 100% don't get me wrong >> no there's no contradiction because they can both be shocked about the situation both the prophet peace be upon him and Allah there'd be no contradiction obviously that which would be, you know, wrong in the eyes of Allah. The prophet peace be upon him would also think that it's wrong, right?
>> Thank you very much.
>> Yeah, that's good.
>> That's >> okay. because you know because I had the I had the notion before that it was you know word for word like even if it's different to what it will carry you know delivery >> it still has the same okay so it still has a sort of it's not it wouldn't be a contradiction right we would say that they are complimentary in regards to what's being said okay meaning that each k is going to give us a full encompassment of the story okay >> he understands >> yeah yeah I get I get that It's like looking at it from different perspectives you could say. Okay.
>> I was on I was actually on Gemini trying to cope because you know I won't say cope because scope will be trying to justify before as well. So I was trying to you know have the concept around the you know you and I I couldn't even sleep yesterday because I was arguing with him. So I was like no I need to Well, I'm glad you you know you clarify that. No problem. No problem.
Hello.
>> I just have a really quick question. Um, we believe um, Prophet Issa, peace, blessings be upon him, is in in in heaven with God. I just came >> No, no, no, no. We don't we don't believe that he's in heaven with God.
No, we believe he's in the second heaven.
>> Allah is above all of the all of the creation.
>> Yeah.
>> But the surah surah al Iran chapter 3 verse 144 uh says that um all of the prophets passed away before prophet Muhammad. And so I'm having a >> Yeah, that's a general statement that's being made. It's not specific to any one particular situation.
>> Just a general statement. Okay. Okay.
Okay. Thank you.
>> Welcome to Hello.
>> Um, so I was trying to get in contact.
Um, there's a video floating around about 21 cops. Have you seen it?
>> Yeah. Well, I didn't see a video, but I don't know what you're talking about specifically. What's the question?
Um, so what's the context behind that?
That's what I wanted to know.
>> Behind what? Me saying for the people to say 21 cops yesterday.
>> Yeah. So, there's a video where you were laughing at the fact that there's 21 cops that >> Yeah. because a filthy guy by the name of Destroyer came up and said filthy things. Maybe go watch the YouTube live and you'll see for yourself.
Don't know why you're up here defending cross.
>> Hello.
>> Hello. Hey. Uh I don't know if you taking question from Muslim but >> sure what's a question.
>> Yeah I just want to ask about uh uh his life before his uh his propheththood. What what was his life before his prophet like his younger age you know that what was he doing? Is there any uh document about him like what was his life his teenage life anything about him? Um, no actually we don't have much information regarding his teenage life. Um, but we do have information regarding his birth in the Quran. Um, and when he was a little boy, >> that's about it. There's not much in regards to his um, teenage life or anything.
>> So there's no any life he lived the example that we can learn from him anything. We just we just known Isa from uh from you know when he became prophet and when he was born but in between there there's nothing that we can learn from him or anything he did there you know.
>> Yeah. No we don't we don't have anything from um in regards to his entire life or anything of the sort. Um but I mean that's the same thing regarding a lot of other prophets as well, right? Um, some prophets we have specific stories that are highlighted about them in the Quran and some prophets we have a very detailed account of them like Musam for example, right?
>> Yeah.
>> I appreciate you.
>> Thank you so much.
>> No problem.
>> All right. Who's a non-Muslim?
comment the number one if you're a non-Muslim and I will bring you up inshallah or God willing uh me one. Okay, I'll bring you up.
Hopefully you're going to be cordial.
Hello.
>> Hi.
>> Yeah, what's happen?
>> Yeah, this is I believe that all religions are silly. Like you think your religion is the right one. The Christian take the religions is the right one.
Every religion I'm not I'm not in the mood to be yelling again.
Hello.
>> Hello. Hello.
>> Yeah. What's up, man?
>> Um, I'm do I'm doing actually blessed nonetheless. How you doing?
>> I'm fine. Are you Christian?
>> Yes, ma'am. I am.
>> All right. Why are you not Muslim?
Um, well, I'm a sinner and um, but I tried to work against sin and Allah doesn't like that. So, I, you know, I just don't like how he would try to destroy me and wipe me out of existence if I didn't sin. So, now I'm closer to the faith of Jesus Christ more than I've ever been. And you know, it's just seeing that Muhammad is a false prophet. And that's just what I've read from your Quran and from my scriptures that he's not the true prophet. But um >> you've read in your scripture that my prophet is a false prophet.
>> No, about my Jesus and then I've read in your scriptures from looking in mine that he is a false prophet.
>> That Jesus is a false prophet.
>> Ma'am, I'm talking about Muhammad.
Uh, it's not very clear because you keep jumping all over the place. Why don't you stick to one claim in this talk?
>> That's That's what I did. Hold on. Let me let me refresh.
>> You really did it. You said like five things already. You said Allah likes sin.
>> Um, uh, Muhammad peace be upon him is a false prophet. Your Quran talks about Jesus. My Bible says Jesus is God. Like, can you can you stick to one thing and let's talk about it?
>> Yeah, I'm going in a list.
>> I I don't want a list. I don't want you to machine gun. I want to have a discussion.
>> An Islamic person. Right. Let's let's have a conversation about each thing.
Okay. So, what's the first thing you want to talk about?
>> Let's talk about your prophet. He says that he is description. Are you aware of this before I even bring this up?
>> Yeah.
>> Okay, cool. So, now that you already know where I'm going with this, are you able to find me where his description is inside the Bible?
>> Yeah. Deuteronomy 18, Isaiah chapter 21, Isaiah chapter 42, Song of Solomon chapter 5.
>> Oh, wait, wait. We're talking about the Torah, which would be the first five books.
>> The Torah can also refer to the entirety of the Old Testament, sir. Jesus refers to the entirety of the Old Testament as the Torah, right? So, let's not play games. Nice.
>> No, I'm not playing games at all.
>> Okay. So, are you worried? Are you worried that I'm going to find them in Isaiah?
>> No, ma'am. I'm not at all.
>> Okay. So, let's talk about Isaiah 21 then.
>> Okay, cool.
>> Do you know what Isaiah 21's about?
>> Very much so.
>> What's it about?
>> Well, let's let's look about it. Now, tell me real quick before you open it.
What's it about?
>> I cannot give you a >> Why did you say yes?
>> Right. Because I know what most of it is about. I'm not going to tell you something and then it's completely wrong. Then I'd be lying to you and I'm not.
>> So, you already lied because you said that you know when you don't. But that's fine.
>> I said for the most part I know. Yes.
>> Okay. Go ahead. I want you to >> You said Isaiah 21.
>> Yeah. I want you to give me an exogesis of Isaiah 21. I'm gonna sit back and listen to you explain it to me.
>> No, I want you to read it out loud.
>> Which verse would you want me to read out?
>> You know, let's skip the beginning. We could start from verse six. Okay, go ahead. Read from verse six.
>> This is what the Lord said to me. Go post a lookout and have him report what he sees. when he sees chariots with teams of horses ride on riders on donkeys our riders on camels let him be alert fully alert >> keep going >> where do you want me to stop at >> it's only till verse 10 >> okay cool alert and look out shouted >> and the lookout shouted >> okay and and Don't look out. Shut. I'm dyslexic. That's my fault.
>> No worries.
>> Day after day, the Lord I stand on the watchtowwer. Every night I stay on my post. Look here comes a man on a chariot with a team of horses. And he gave back the answer. Okay. Babylon has fallen has fallen. The all images of its god lie shattered on the ground.
My people who have crushed on the thrush flooring.
I tell you what I have heard from the Lord mighty Almighty from the Lord of Israel.
>> Okay. What's this about?
>> Well, this would be about people, right?
on a chariot and you know someone's doing a lookout and people on chariots it's coming.
>> What the heck?
>> And Babylon has fallen.
>> Sorry, bro.
>> Have a good night. You don't know what the heck you're talking about. Anyway, guys, I just got a restriction. I'm gonna end the live here, I guess.
What the heck?
Should I restart?
What the heck happened?
Restart.
All right. All right. I'll restart. Make sure everybody make sure to come back right away. Let me see. Is there any other Is there any non-Muslims requesting? I'm just worried. I don't want the account to get banned because I am trying to still go live on the weekend. But let's see.
Should I just restart?
All right. All right. I'll restart.
Everybody come right back. Okay.
comes in. My bad, guys. I don't know what happens. They just randomly gave me a restriction.
They didn't even give me a chance to appeal it or anything either. What the heck?
All right, let's get the other people back in.
It just said um hateful behavior. I don't know. And it was restricted in certain regions and stuff like that. I think it's the guy that came up and said the 21 thing.
>> Hello.
I just wanted you to explain uh what before he falls like the verses of that chapter in the Bible, the Old Testament about >> Yeah, I have I have a few videos on it on my YouTube channel. So, I have um a number of different videos about Muhammad sallallahu alaihi wasallam in the Bible if you want to look at those inshallah.
>> Okay.
>> All right, >> we'll do. Thank you.
>> No problem.
All right.
Hello.
>> Hello.
>> Uh, yeah. Sorry. Can I have a quick question?
>> What's the question?
>> Uh, yeah. For I think for the last two ayah, >> what's the Oh, okay. Yeah.
>> Mhm.
>> So, does it corresponds to >> scripture or revelation? No. No, it doesn't have to be physical copies.
>> Okay. Because uh I I learned a little bit of Arabic before in school. I think the teacher mentioned that suku is like maybe parchment that kind of thing.
>> Yeah. Linguistically speaking, yeah, it can be. But when we're talking in a Quranic context, it can just refer to revelation.
>> So it doesn't have to be a a physical copy.
>> No, it doesn't.
>> Okay. Uh maybe a second quick question.
like I normally move between countries to countries sometime within a year. So do I have to follow a specific mazab?
Because what I usually do >> just um you know follow whatever it is that your masjid follows inshallah.
>> So even like local masjid because let's say in in my country even though it's small like there are like hali masid.
>> Yeah. Just follow what your just follow what your local masjid follows >> the masjid that you frequent.
>> Okay. And it won't be like put as a burden upon me to find out which like for school for major school is soal the most correct one.
>> If you want to learn more about that in depth you could learn under a teacher and they could teach you more about it and you could decide then. But um till then you should go based off of what your teacher or what your masjid goes by.
>> No understood. Okay. And brother by the way I follow your suggestion.
>> I have started to look into the Egyptian dialect. Hopefully next time we can converse >> a dialect soon.
Okay. Thank you. No problem.
All right.
>> Hello.
>> Hello.
>> Yeah. What's happen?
>> Um, Islam is fake.
>> Nice. Are you Christian?
>> Um, I believe in more so of everything what the Bible says. Yes.
>> Okay. So, why is everything fake in Islam?
Well, first of all, that this religion was made up by a man who obviously had a demon.
>> What? What? What?
>> Make sure you stay respectful. Okay, >> I am I'm telling you it was made up by a man who had a demon.
>> Oh, kind of like how Jesus got carried up a mountain by Satan, >> right? He was fasting.
>> Dang. He got carried up a mountain by Satan. He literally got carried by Satan.
>> You can be carried but not have a demon.
>> So Satan touched your god.
>> He He touched his flesh. Of course.
>> Wow. Satan is able to come close to your god.
Thanks, man.
>> Hello.
>> Yeah. What's up, man? I'm >> good. All right. Are you Christian?
>> No. No.
>> Okay. What are you?
>> Uh, I'm theist.
>> Deist.
>> Yes.
>> Deist or theist?
>> Deist. Theist.
>> Okay. Why are you not Muslim?
>> Uh, I have some I have a question first.
>> Okay. Does it have to do with why you're not Muslim?
>> Yes. Yes, of course.
>> Okay. What's the question? Would you agree that Allah commanded the hijab university to protect all women's modesty and dignity?
>> Uh it doesn't specify that specifically.
It just says that he commands the hijab for the women and that there are different manners in which those would you know benefit them in terms of modesty and so on. Um but it also has to do with the fact that u you know uh modesty is going to go two ways. So modesty is going to refer to obviously her outward appearance as well as the inwards.
>> Yes. And it is for to like uh protect women from being objectified by men, right?
>> Not necessarily. But what's what's the question sir? What's the point?
>> Yes. So uh there is a hadith in uh >> what?
>> No, go ahead. What's the point?
>> Yeah. Uh reports from the would physically beat slave girls if he got them covering their hair telling them do not look like free women. The hijab was sent by God to protect the female body and preserve modesty. Why did the of >> I told you that that's not why it was sent. So >> yes it is.
>> Okay. Show me that that's where it says that it's sent for.
And I'm pretty sure in Quran, >> give me the verse.
>> Yeah. Give me the verse where it says give me the verse where it says that this is being commanded of you to protect your modesty and protect you from men.
>> Yes. Cuz u >> No, I don't want cuz I don't want cuz you said that the Quran says it. So I want the verse in the Quran that says it.
>> How did >> No, I don't want an explanation. How you said it's there. I want you to show me the verse that says that. He told Muham in the verse he told Muhammad that his wives and his daughters to >> to cover >> where is to cover >> right where does it say that you're covering because of the gaze of men and for modesty and all these things. What's the verse >> in that cont because in in that context it there was a lot of sexual harassment.
>> Really?
>> Yes, of course.
>> Wow. Give me the verse.
What do you think about this hadith first?
>> Can you give me the verse?
>> Yes, of course I can read.
>> Okay. So, go get it.
>> Sure. It was sort.
>> Uh, you're the one that's making the claim. I'm not going to know the verses for you. Go get the verse.
Remember guys, his claim was that Allah says in the Quran that women are commanded to wear the hijab to protect them from men.
>> Are you saying there is no reason?
>> Can you show me where it says that?
That's the claim you made.
>> That's the claim you made. Right. So get me the verse. So get me the verse. Get me the verse. Get me the verse. Get me the verse. Get me the No, get me the verse.
>> Freedom of speech.
>> Get me the verse. There's no freedom of speech on my panel. I'm a dictator. Go get the verse.
>> Really?
>> Yeah. Really? Yeah. You want to see what else I could do?
>> You and and you also made a claim that there is no >> Do you suffer from a lack of a father figure?
>> I am a dictator. There's no freedom of speech on my panel. Are you joking?
>> Uh uh I just had one question.
>> Sure. Uh before you ask your question, are you Christian, Jewish, atheist, Muslim?
>> What do you believe in?
>> I don't I'm not atheist. I don't like relate with any religion.
>> Do you believe in God?
>> Wasn't Muhammad's wife.
>> Do you believe in God, sir?
>> At the time that he married her? Do you believe in God?
>> Uh, yes.
>> Okay. But you don't hold to any religion?
>> I believe in God, but you know, I'm like, how do I explain it? I'm like in between religions at the time when I'm >> What religions?
>> On like a a Christianity and He left. What the heck? He's Christian.
Yeah, I know.
Pretty sure he's the kid that came up here before and baked himself on Numbers 3 or was it Numbers 31? Yeah.
>> Hello.
>> Yeah. What's up, man? Hello.
>> How are you doing?
I'm doing just fine. How can I help you?
Are you Christian?
>> Programming is really interesting.
>> Uh, one sec, sir.
>> Yeah, I'm also a Muslim.
>> Okay. You're a Muslim.
Muslim. I'm watching you from the Gambia.
>> Okay. Do you have a question?
>> No, I don't have a kick. So, >> I want to say something.
You're back.
Maybe.
>> Sorry about that. I disconnected there.
>> But um uh I was saying that um I was raised Christian, but >> I was raised Christian, but now um >> how do I explain this? I don't currently have a religion, but I was raised Christian.
>> Okay. But you said you're between religions right now. What religions are you looking into?
>> Uh Christianity again. Whatever. I can you just answer the question? Just answer the question.
>> I just want to know.
>> Was it true?
>> What religions are you between right now? Which mean >> Hey, don't get out of here, you little fanboy. What the hell? Your voice is higher than mine, and you think you could shush me? What the heck?
Hello.
Dada.
Okay. Good night. Dada.
I swear to God, these people be trying me so hard sometimes. I I try my best to be calm and cordial and they just come up acting stupid.
Hello.
>> Hello. Yeah. How are you?
>> Good. How are you?
>> I'm doing pretty fine. Uh what do you believe in?
>> I I am a Catholic. I believe in Jesus.
>> Okay. Why are you not Muslim?
>> Another thing I was telling the faith is uh depends on the people because they believe any religion has the right to people has the right to believe in any religion that they want to. And who are you to judge to tell that Jesus is false?
>> I don't believe Jesus is false. I believe Jesus is a prophet of God.
>> So I believe in Jesus. I respect everyone can believe any religion. I respect them all. You believe you are Muslim. You believe Muslims. I respect you.
>> That's fun. I didn't ask that though.
I'm asking why are you not Muslim?
>> I'm not Muslim because I believe in Jesus.
>> Okay. But I believe in Jesus too. So why are you not Muslim?
>> I don't want to be a Muslim. I believe in Jesus. Because I don't believe in Muhammad married 5-year-old or six-year-old. And I >> What does that have to do with the message of God?
>> Message of God. You believe Muslim believe in Muhammad. Muhammad >> as a prophet. He's not God.
>> I believe in Jesus. Why should believe?
>> I believe in Jesus too.
>> Good for you. But I'm not judging. I have a Muslim friend.
>> It sounds like you're judging.
>> No, you're telling me why I'm You just said why would I be a Muslim? I Your prophet Muhammad, he marrying five or sixyear-old. That's judging. This sounds pretty judgy to me.
>> Do you not agree? He's married six years old.
>> But are you not judging?
>> No. Do you agree?
>> Well, you are passing judgment.
>> I'm not judging. It's >> okay. So why did you mention that for?
Because you tell her why I'm not Muslim.
>> Okay. But why would that make you a non-Muslim though?
>> I'm not Muslim because I believe in Jesus. I want to I am >> No, no, I'm not asking you that. I'm asking you why would Muhammad peace be upon him, irrespective of who he marries, why would that make you a non-Muslim? Are you passing judgment on him?
>> I'm not passing any judgment. So why would you mention that?
>> I don't I don't want to be Muslim.
>> So why did you mention that?
>> I mentioned because you promoting so good about Muslim. I don't have nothing.
>> Oh, so you are passing judgment.
>> Yes, but it's not about I passing judgment.
>> Oh my god, bro. What the heck? What the heck?
What the actual heck, bro? What What's wrong with people, bro?
All right.
Hello.
>> Yeah. Can you hear me?
>> I can hear you. Amy, how are you?
>> I'm good. How are you >> doing? Pretty fine. Just dandy. Are you Christian?
>> Definitely >> Muslim.
>> No.
>> Oh, what do you believe in? Sorry.
>> I'm a Christian.
>> Oh, Christian. Okay. Um, okay. Why are you not Muslim?
>> I don't follow Muhammad.
Okay. Why not?
>> Um, I don't believe he's a prophet. I >> Why?
>> Because I don't believe that there would be another prophet after Jesus.
>> Can I show you for that the Bible says otherwise?
>> Okay, go ahead.
>> Okay, so uh we're going to go to John chapter 1.
What the heck is going on? What the heck?
>> What did I Okay.
>> No, no, not you. Sorry, it's me. It's me.
>> All right. Um, so this is John chapter 1. All right. Starting from verse 19.
Okay.
>> Read it. I can't really see it.
>> No, no problem. No problem. I'll read it. So it says now this was John's testimony when the Jewish leaders in Jerusalem sent priests and Levites to ask him who he was. He did not fail to confess but confess freely I am not the Messiah. They asked him then who are you? Are you Elijah? He said I am not.
Are you the prophet? He answered no.
Finally they said who are you? Give us an answer to take back to those who sent us. What do you say about yourself? John replied in the words of Isaiah the prophets. I am the one sorry I am the voice of one calling in the wilderness.
make straight the way for the Lord. Now the Pharisees who had been sent questioned him, "Why then do you baptize if you are not the Messiah, nor Elijah, nor the prophet?" Okay, so it talks about three figures that they talk about to him, correct?
>> Uhhuh.
>> Okay. So, we know who the Messiah is.
Yeah.
>> Yes.
>> Right. Jesus, right?
>> Mhm.
>> Okay. And we know who Elijah is, correct? Because John Well, no. Elijah, Jesus in another passage, he says that John is the Elijah who is to come. Okay.
>> So, whoever is this, what chapter?
>> John 1 John 1 verse 19 to2.
>> Okay. So, this is before John Before Jesus said >> before Jesus said what?
>> Before Jesus says that John is Elijah.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, so that's fine.
before that. So these people are asking him Elijah meaning from the old scriptures.
>> No, they're asking No, no, no, no, no, no. They believed that there was going to be an individual like Elijah to come who is going to pave the way for the Lord. Okay, that's a prophecy.
>> Jewish people, right?
>> Yes, the Pharisees. Okay. Okay. So, there's an Elijah who is to come which is fulfilled by John the Baptist according to Jesus. Okay. Okay.
>> So, we know who the Messiah is and we know who Elijah is. But the question is who's this last individual? the prophet that they're waiting for.
>> You're talking about the Jews.
>> Yeah, the Pharisees.
>> So, I'm a Christian. So, that would be a question for the Jews, right? They're going back the old >> But this is in the New Testament, >> right? It's in the New Testament at the beginning of John, right? At the beginning, chapter one before Jesus called them Elijah. From my understanding as a Christian, I would take that as Jesus, Elijah, and John the Bon.
>> Wait, wait, wait. What?
No, we know who the Messiah is. We know who the Messiah is. Okay.
>> Okay.
>> Elijah, Jesus tells us, is John the Baptist. Just because John the Baptist didn't say that he was or didn't know that he was, doesn't mean that it's not referring to him.
>> No, they're asking John.
>> Okay. But they're asking him about three specific people. Okay.
>> Three people that they're expecting to come, not people from the past. Okay.
>> Okay. So, it says the Messiah, Elijah, and uh and um the prophet. Okay. The Messiah is Jesus. Elijah is John. I'm asking you, who's the prophet?
>> I have no idea.
>> Well, that's the point is that there is a prophet that comes after.
>> But Jesus automatically told us that after him, the only thing that's coming, well, he didn't say the only, but he said the one that's coming is the Holy Spirit. So after that even if his let's just say Muhammad is a prophet he still contradict the Bible that I believe >> okay >> right like meaning you said that even if Jesus said that Muhammad is a prophet >> no I said even not that Jesus said >> even what >> even even if Muhammad is a prophet let's just say right >> but >> for me as a Christian you would have to align with the with Jesus and raising after third But he can't be he can't be a Hold on. Hold on.
>> But if he's a true prophet, you're supposed to accept what he says. You can't just reject it based off of what you interpret prior scripture to say.
>> No. For him to be a true prophet, there's two things in lines with that.
One, he has to align with the people before him.
>> Yeah, he does.
>> And two, two, he has to prophesize something.
>> He does both of those things. them.
>> I don't know about his prophecy. I can't speak on something I don't know.
>> But he cannot and lie. So as a Christian right now, if he telling me follow Muhammad, I'm a Christian already. I was born a Christian, right? For you to convince me that he is following the old that means he have to follow Jesus.
>> Okay.
>> Right. But >> so when he follows Jesus, >> wait, go ahead. Yeah, I was going to say >> you have to convince me that for me to even consider him as a prophet.
>> Yes. So if I show you for example that Jesus himself proclaims that he's a prophet or proclaims >> that he proclaimed that Muhammad is a prophet.
>> Yes. Jesus as well as the people from the Old Testament.
>> Okay. Go ahead. Show me.
>> Okay. So there's different This is one example of a prophecy, right? of the fact that >> you're showing me Jesus talk about Muhammad, right?
>> I know. Just give me a second. Okay.
>> Okay.
>> Jesus when speaking about the Pharisees.
Okay. He says that they know their gods and they know their books. Okay.
Correct.
>> Okay.
>> Right. So he says that they have the proper knowledge. They just don't do the things that they're commanded to do.
Right.
>> That's all of us. Okay. Go ahead.
>> No, no, no. But specifically the Pharisees, they're hypocrites, he says.
Right.
>> Yeah. You're right. You're right.
>> So he says that he they know what they say, right? The things that they say are correct, but the things that they do are the opposite of it. Okay.
>> So what they're saying here, right, and according to Jesus, they would be correct. What they're saying here is that there is three figures. Jesus, which is the Messiah, Elijah, which is John the Baptist, and a prophet who is to come after them.
Correct?
>> Okay. And Jesus is basically co-signing what they say. He says that anything they say is correct.
>> Is it Jesus or is it John?
>> No, Jesus says that in Matthew 23 if I'm not mistaken. If you want me to pull up the verse here >> ever.
>> Yeah. Matthew 23 me out on that. Okay.
Go ahead. Read.
>> So it says, "Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, the teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses's seat. So you must be careful to do everything they tell you, but do not do they what they do for they do not practice what they preach. So he says they know what they're saying but don't do the things that they're doing.
Right.
>> Okay.
>> Right. So in that passage in John chapter one when they say that they're expecting three people which is the Messiah, the Elijah to come and the prophet not a prophet the prophets.
Right. Then what they're saying is correct. Right.
>> Okay. Right. So, the question is, we already know who the Messiah is. We know who Elijah is. The question is, who's the prophet that comes after them?
>> Okay.
>> That's a question for you.
>> Well, that would be a question. You're telling me that's Muhammad.
>> That's basically what you're saying.
>> Well, yeah. Is there anybody who comes after? So, who comes after Jesus, peace be upon him? Okay.
>> To be honest with you, I don't know.
But, >> okay. How we use is Muhammad?
>> Okay, I'll tell you. I'll tell you. I'll tell you. I'll tell you.
>> You said Jesus said is Muhammad. So, how is it Muhammad?
>> Yeah, I I got you. Okay. Firstly, right, the criteria for a true prophet according to the Bible is that they come in the name of the true God. So, the God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Jesus, etc. And that they do not say anything which is false in the name of God. Okay?
So, if they make false prophecies or if they utter false statements, right? then that person can't be a true prophet. You understand? That's according to Deuteronomy 18 20-22.
>> They also have to prophesy.
>> Yeah. What? So that's that's what the second one is. Is that whatever they say has to be true. Meaning they can't make false prophecies. All the prophecies they make must be true.
>> Must come to >> what was it?
>> And it has to.
>> Yes. Yes. They have to come to pass.
Exactly.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah. So Muhammad peace be upon him, he fulfills both of those things.
How?
>> Because he comes in the name of the God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Jesus.
Okay.
>> But he changed their story.
>> He doesn't change their story. He corrects the >> Hold on. Hold on.
>> You can't correct.
>> Hold on. Hold on. Hold on.
>> One second. One second. One second.
Okay. If I write a story, okay, let's say about you, right?
>> I don't know that much about you, right?
But I just write a story and I say, "Hey, this is about Amy." And then later on, okay, let's say you tell your daughter or your son to write a story about you instead. Right?
>> Okay.
>> And they get everything different about you than I did, right? Does that mean that they're wrong and I'm right simply because I wrote about about you before them?
>> No. Right.
>> Well, no. But the problem is their story would be correct cuz my kids know me.
You don't know me.
>> Yeah, but they the people that wrote the scripture later, they don't know these people either. Okay.
>> What do you mean? Like let's just say Moses, right?
>> Yeah. But I don't believe I don't believe you have the Torah of Moses anymore. I believe it's corrupted.
>> That's That's you. You're new. So you have >> No, but I can prove it. Corrupted.
>> Yeah, we could prove it. Any book in the Bible, you have to prove since you're the new one that it's corrupted. For you to prove that it's corrupted, you have to bring me the book that was before that. That's different.
>> No, I can show you that I'll show I'm not going to use my book. I'm not going to use my book. Don't worry.
>> Okay.
>> I'm going to use your book and show you that it's corrupted. So, let me ask you quickly. Do you believe that God can inspire an individual to contradicts?
God does not does not contradict anybody any like he doesn't aspire he doesn't that's not his uh quality.
>> So if I show you if I show you so we know Genesis and Exodus are both written supposedly by Moses right?
>> That is what they say.
>> Okay. So if I show you a contradiction between the two books then it can't be from Moses who got it from God. Right.
Well, you can't really take a verse and show me because the Bible the way it works is is like how should I explain to you? Uh you have to uh excuse my English. It's my second language. Um but Okay, go ahead. Do it. Just >> Okay. Well, I just want to be on the same page first. I want to be on the same page as each other. If there's a contradiction in what Moses says, right, then it can't be from God's ergo. It wouldn't be the original text from Moses.
Yes.
>> Say it again. I'm sorry.
>> Okay. If I show you a contradiction in Moses's supposed teachings, okay, >> if the contradiction, if it's a true contradiction, right, it cannot be what Moses actually originally wrote because God would not give Moses >> a true contradiction. Yes.
>> Okay, good. So, let's go through it.
Okay, so this is Exodus 6:3.
So, we're going to read it in the Hebrew. It says, "And says, oh, sorry, wrong verse. One second.
All right. So, it says, "And I appeared." So, this is talking about God, right? "And I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob as God Almighty."
So, be El Shadai. Okay? That was the name that he revealed to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Okay? But by my name, Yahweh, not I was known to them. Right? So, he appears to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob bearing the name God Almighty. But he doesn't tell them the name Yahweh. Yes.
>> Do you agree?
>> What am I agreeing >> that this is what's being said?
>> I I heard what's I mean I can't see it, but I'm I'm a believer.
>> Okay. So, what all all I'm saying is do you agree that this is what's being said that he says that the name he told Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob was God Almighty, but he didn't tell them the name Yahweh.
>> I mean, yeah, that's what you're saying is saying. Okay. So, I'm going to agree with what you're saying even though I'm not reading it.
>> Okay. All right. So, now if we go back to Genesis, right? Uh verse 14. Genesis 22:14, >> it says, "And called Abraham the name of place that Yahweh will provide. As it is said, this day in the mountain of Yahweh it shall be provided." So the question is, how could Abraham have named the place Yahweh will provide if he didn't know the name Yahweh?
>> I have no idea.
>> Right. But that's a contradiction, right?
>> I mean, I have to look into it before I make that statement.
>> Okay. But now I have reason to believe that.
>> I could I could think of.
>> Uhhuh.
>> You said Exodus 6 and Genesis what?
>> Yeah. Exodus 6:3 and Genesis 22:14.
There's another instance as well.
>> Okay.
>> Uh let me see if I could find it. I don't remember off the top of my heads.
Um >> give me the idea. Maybe >> uh I am the Lord.
Jacob, Genesis, hold on.
Uh yeah, I think it's Genesis 28.
So in Genesis chapter 28 verse believe it's verse 10.
>> Oh yeah. So in Genesis 28:10 it says and went out Jacob from Bersiba and went toward Haron. Okay. Then the next verse says uh so he came to a certain place and stayed all night there because uh the sun had set and he took out uh he took one of the stones of the place and put it at his heads and he lay down to sleep in place. Okay. Uh and he dreamed and behold a ladder was set up on the earth and its top reached to the heaven and there the angels of God were ascending and descending on it. Now this is the part right and behold Yahweh stood above it and said I am Yahweh God of Abraham your father and the God of Isaac the land of which you lie upon to you I will give and to your descendants.
So again same issue right? Exodus 63 tells us that Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob didn't know the name Yahweh. Yet, what we see is that both Abraham, right, and Jacob, they're introduced to the name Yahweh in the book of Genesis.
>> Okay.
>> You understand?
>> I understand.
>> Yeah. So, this is the reason why I would be inclined towards the idea that the Torah we have today is not what was originally given to Moses because Moses wouldn't contradict himself.
>> Okay?
>> Right.
I'll look into it. Of >> course, >> you have me something. You gave me a homework.
>> No problem.
>> Okay. Thank you though.
>> Of course. Make sure you follow. Come back. Come back. And I mean, I could give you so many of them, but I mean, that's just >> Let's start with that. I'll definitely come back.
>> Okay. No problem, Amy.
>> I appreciate it. You have a day.
>> You, too. Have a good one.
>> Good night. I don't know where you have, but >> No problem. Have a good one. Bye.
>> Bye.
Hello.
>> Hi. Hello.
>> Brother, you have a question?
>> Yeah, I do. Um I did notice that uh he was saying um Matthew chap uh sorry uh someone John chapter something that was asking about a showing about a prophet and then there you were trying to show something reference I just need that reference so I can show other Christians >> reference for what >> uh to prove prophet Muhammad. I I I believe he was trying to show the proof that it is written in the Bible that >> uh if you Yeah, if you go to my YouTube channel, I have a bunch of videos about Muhammad sallallahu alaihi wasallam in the Bible. Um those should be more than enough to benefit you on the topic.
Okay, >> cool. Thank you very much. It's it's channel is in your bio or >> Yeah. Uh so there's a link tree in my bio. One of the links is my YouTube channel. Okay.
>> Thank you.
>> No problem. by accident.
Zizu.
Hello.
Hello.
All right. Goodbye.
>> Hello.
>> Hello.
>> Yeah. What's up, Mom?
>> Could you just um clear up all the stuff about Aisha?
>> Are you Muslim?
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. What do you mean clear up all the stuff about her?
>> Uh, there's obviously like a lot of things that say that Muhammad is a pedophile.
>> All right. You can't say that words on the panel. I don't think that you're Muslim.
Uh, all right. I don't think there's any non-Muslims requesting still.
Hold on. Let me see who this is.
Is there any non-Muslims that would like to come up? Otherwise, I'm probably going to call it here.
Let me see.
Okay, never mind.
Crest is here.
>> Hello.
>> How are you, sis?
>> I am good. How are you?
>> Alhamdulillah. Alhamdulillah. How's how's the list been coming along?
>> Good. I've been trying to implement it.
>> Good. Good.
>> Um I inshallah is definitely the easiest.
>> Which one?
>> My opinion.
>> Inshallah.
>> Oh, inshallah. Yeah, because you can use it as an excuse for everything.
>> Yeah, I basically just been using it instead of hopefully.
>> That's good. That's good. That's good practice. What's up, sis? You have a question or anything?
>> Well, no. I um well actually yeah I wanted to ask about um your personal journey with hijab >> um >> if that's okay.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I mean I've been wearing it for so long I can't really I don't know if I would be much help uh in terms of the whole story thing. But what what's what's up what's what's specifically about it?
Um, I mean I'm not in a situation where I can wear it now, but as I I think mentioned before in August, I'm moving to Ireland, >> right?
>> Um, so inshallah can start wearing it there.
>> Um, >> but yeah, I don't know. I also feel like I don't like as when you put it on, you represent Islam and its teachings and I don't feel uh I guess in a way worthy of that.
>> No, there's no one single Muslim woman or anybody on earth today or man or anything of the sort that's going to be, you know, uh a proper representation of a perfect Muslim or anything. We already acknowledge that.
>> Yeah, definitely.
>> Right.
>> But like even me personally, I feel like I don't know scared that like I would misrepresent things >> that we all literally everybody makes mistakes. We can't say that just because you're wearing a hijab that's you you're automatically like you have to be free of any issues or mistakes or anything of the sort.
>> Right.
>> Yeah. And like I actually like I've been thinking a lot about like my doubts and like I talked to my mom and like um um like how these doubts can be given by he says Shayan.
>> Mhm.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.
>> And I think that's like the last verse of the Quran is like the the whispers, >> right? The whispers of uh men and uh Jenny. Yeah.
>> Yeah. So, I'm like, is this what I like I for the first few weeks I was so nervous that like about telling my family, then I was nervous of that I wouldn't like I didn't believe enough. And like I've had these like personal worries, a lot of them about like myself, you know? Um, and now it's just like, is this like the next thing where it's like trying to pull me away from it when I should kind of like do the opposite?
>> No, but having having doubts and, you know, uh, losing like uh, faith a little bit or anything of the sort. These aren't necessarily negative things, okay? Uh, they can be seen as tests whereby Allah is, you know, testing the individual in order to see what they're going to do about it moving forward. You understand? Are you going to keep allowing yourself to persist in the doubts or are you going to pick yourself up and you know try to expel them in any way that you can? You get what I mean?
>> So it's a good thing that you're talking about it to begin with.
>> Um my being a mom from my school. So I actually graduated last week.
Alhamdulillah.
>> Alhamdulillah.
>> Um >> and >> we say Mabuk in Egypt. Congratulations is Mabuk. Yeah.
>> Oh, thank you.
>> Yeah, no problem. Um, so I'm not at in university anymore, but the imam there said that he would send me like a starter package with um like an actual prayer mat and hijab.
>> Mhm.
>> Um, so I I don't know when that's coming, but I'm hoping that it's a nice one. and my friend um she she um was born Muslim, but she has a complicated relationship with her faith. She identifies as agnostic now.
Um and she honestly like I love her to death, but she made me doubt a lot um a month ago when I first reverted. Like I she was like, "Oh, are you sure this is the right choice?"
>> Ironically, she's on Haj now. She's in Saudi Arabia. Um, and she's sending selfies of herself in the hijab. And I'm like, "Dude, you look so beautiful.
Like, you look like she's glowing."
>> So, is she still agnostic or >> um she's Yeah, I don't know. Um she says she's been she only she missed Aster today or I guess yesterday now because it's >> the next day there.
>> Um but she says that she's been doing every other prayer. She she's been going to the mosque. Um she's she's in Medina now. They're not in Mecca yet. But >> well um >> she >> yeah she has her own struggles with it.
Um, and she like psyched herself out and told herself she would have a bad time while she was there. And honestly, I'm jealous. I uh >> I'm jealous, too.
>> I would like um and her mom's treating as like her graduation gift cuz she also graduated last week.
>> Um but yeah, just like her fear and doubts with it I I feel like are kind of getting projected on like I'm kind of absorbing some of that. Um, >> so why don't why don't you tell her just not to talk to you about that stuff anymore if it's something that you feel is getting to you?
>> Because I want her still to be someone like I want her to be able to feel like she can talk to me about things and like we can talk through these things. I mean, >> yeah, but >> like she complicated, >> but this this type of thing like you're you're a new Muslim. It shouldn't be the case that you're you know, somebody's telling you about their doubts when you literally just embraced Islam like, you know, about a month ago, right? That doesn't make sense. Like there there's other Muslims she could speak to. Like for example, you go to the MM and you ask him questions and stuff, right? That would be a proper person to go to, not a new revert, right? That doesn't it doesn't make sense.
>> I recommended it for her, but she I don't know. Um and she she would like it kind of called into question some of the other things she said because she would talk a lot about her complicated relationship with her mom and like >> all the like her mom would do that.
>> Family stuff. Family stuff is different.
Yeah. But the the >> I met her mom in person.
>> She's lovely.
>> Like she she said like in she was going to get me gifts when she was now now that she's in Saudi Arabia. She said she invited me to her house when she gets back that she's going to cook for me.
She said she's going to buy me hijab.
Like she she said all these things and like she embraced me when I first met her. Like she's just a wonderful woman.
her mom.
>> Mhm.
>> And >> I mean, I'm I'm not I'm not in her situation. I would I would just, you know, >> me neither. So, >> I I won't keep it I won't say here or there on that's right. Um but again, like specifically regarding the Islamic stuff, like it's important for you to not continuously hear something that's going to give you doubts, especially when you're still first learning and it's like very fresh for you, right? Um it's not a good idea to to interact with her on a topic like that, right? If anything, if you want, come here. I don't mind. I'm not I'm not any ma'am or anything and we're like in the same age group. I think I'm a little bit older than you guys, but that's it.
>> Um there but to come and talk to you about it doesn't make sense to me.
Right. I think that she needs to talk to somebody who properly knows things about the religion who could, you know, help her out with those things. Right. If if it's just about venting >> Yeah.
>> Mhm. If it if it's just about >> reason why she let me sorry >> if it's just about venting to you about her grievances and all these things about the religion that's that's wrong like you you shouldn't have to listen to that to begin with but if it's because she has genuine questions or something then she should go and ask somebody who could give her genuine answers she understands.
>> Yeah. I wonder about like her intention when talking to these things. Um >> like the reason she hasn't gone to a mom is because she doesn't want to be convinced. Um, >> I mean, honestly, she hasn't brought up like my personal faith since like a couple months ago. We went out for lunch and I kind of shut it down and I said like she started questioning why I decided to take the shot and I was like, "Oh, >> it's too much for I can't say it in words. I'm sorry." Um, so I just I couldn't explain it to her and I didn't.
And she accepted that. She was like, "Yeah, that's fine. I like she got me flowers. She was supportive, >> right?
>> But her doubt like she still talks about her own doubts and how like the difficult time now that she's having >> during Haj and I do feel for her, but like I don't know. I like I kind of wish she was taking more advantage of it, you know?
>> Right. Well, um you still have you have the other friends still. Are you still in contact? You said that you were friends with like um your roommate was the president of the MSA and stuff, right?
>> Yeah, she's um she's busy right now. Her family came over from Dubai. So um she's spending time with them and I didn't really want I don't want to interrupt her with that. No, but I was going to say because if you guys have common like friends and stuff like that, maybe it's something that you know you should talk about with other like the other people in your guys's friend group as opposed to just you because you're not only are you not like um are you still fresh to the you know everything in regards to asm, but you're also not like acquainted with the the cultural norms that each of them may have or share with one another, right? So she should like it's it's very it's a very odd situation to put you in to begin with, right? Um, buds, you know, I mean, the best thing that I could say and I mean, may Allah guide her. May Allah keep you steadfast. Um, but obviously like you could ask whatever question you want or anything of this. You don't have to wait until I'm live at night. You can message me whenever I told you. Um, >> yeah, sorry. I know.
>> No, no worries. But, um, I mean, if you want to ask something now, you could ask. Otherwise, um, you know, I don't know, you could message me if you want in private if it's something you don't want to talk about in public or anything.
Yeah, I guess like a lot of it is just like my own personal doubt that I have to carry out. Actually, >> I do have one question that I asked some other people, but I got kind of a mixed response and similar from the internet.
So, I have pretty severe ADHD and >> um last month I got prescribed Adderall from my psychiatrist >> and I I have I asked for this smallest dose like I'm I was very nervous about it.
>> Um so, on what's let's what's say Thursday on Tuesday and Wednesday I took it for the first time >> and it helped but I'm also just nervous about it be because it is an empetamine it is a drug >> so like even though it does help it like I'm kind of nervous about that you know >> you mean in terms of uh being like halal or haram like permissible or impermissible yeah no um if you're prescribed described it by your um you know a physician, psychiatrist, what whatever it may be um there's there's nothing wrong with that. If it's a if it's a prescription then it's there's no issue.
>> It's if somebody is taking stuff right um and you know they're not being prescribed it's not something which is actually benefiting them in any way. It could end up causing them harm etc. But if this is something which is you know obviously prescribed to you it's something which is helping you benefiting you etc. and you're doing it in the right dosage and everything then there's there's no issue with that.
>> Okay. No that's good to know then. All right.
>> Yeah.
>> Um, this is just another thing. I kind of feel guilty. Um, I've missed a couple prayers since I've gotten home >> only because I don't feel comfortable doing it in front of my family.
>> Mhm.
>> Um, yet um I don't know. I was wondering like >> Yeah, >> I was I was going to say I mean you don't you don't have to pray in front of them or anything to sort you if you have like a separate >> No, I can't I keep my I have to keep my door open.
>> Okay. Okay. Um, >> the only reason my door's closed, the only reason my door's closed now.
>> But you, so you haven't spoken to your parents. Didn't you say you spoke to your mom? No, about um becoming a Muslim.
>> Yeah. Um, >> is it just because you feel awkward about it at first or >> Yeah, I do. Um, but like yeah, like my parents are pretty on top of me and my siblings. So, >> but So, are you worried that if they see you praying, they're going to say something or is it just like >> Yeah, I am. And it's funny. It's like I'm always more anxious in this like gray area than like if it were to actually happen, you know? Well, why don't you why don't you just talk to him about it? Maybe like, you know, I'm supposed to be praying, but I've been feeling kind of like >> iffy about it. I've been feeling awkward. I don't know how you guys would take it and stuff like that >> cuz like I mean, when you came here before at least, it seemed like your your mom was like pretty okay with whatever decision you were making, right?
>> Yeah, she is.
>> Yeah. So, I would just say just >> still he doesn't know.
>> Okay. Um, I mean, best thing I would say is like, you know, in your room, like maybe like I don't know where the door placement is or anything of the sort, but you can do it like behind the door, but it depends like the the angles and everything too.
So, um, whatever makes you feel comfortable, but as long as like you are and like you do end up getting them done through the day, it would be good, right? And just I mean, talk to your mom about it as well. Maybe she'll be able to help you talk to your dad about it as well or something.
>> Yeah. Right.
>> No, I mean we've definitely noticed some things up because I whenever I'm home I cook for my family.
>> Um but like my parents get like the meal boxes or whatever like um blue apron and stuff like that.
>> Um so I cook those dinners but they they apparently they eat more pork than I >> than you anticipate. So, a lot of the meals have like pork in them, >> right?
>> So, I'll still make it for my family, but then I'll make something separate for myself.
>> Um, >> like they're catching they're catching on for sure because I've been eating so much like ground turkey these last few days.
>> Um, I mean, but like I said, I think maybe it'll be better if you just talk to them about it in general because that way you don't have to like feel like you're tiptoeing around something. And I mean, like you already kind of like spoke to your mom about it in a sense.
So, >> yeah, she stole my second copy of The Clear Kuran. So, >> though there you go. I mean, maybe you'll maybe you getting into it will also be something that pull pulls her into it closer. You never know.
>> Maybe. I think she's been talking a lot about um needing guidance lately, >> right? I mean, it's always a good thing to talk about it. I think um you know, maybe maybe you'll find that it'll be more beneficial than you know, something to be worried about.
>> Yeah.
>> All right.
Anything else, Chris?
>> Um, I think that Oh, sorry. Somebody just made a good point in the comments like having my parents listen in too and like they can ask questions to you.
>> Of course. Yeah, they can always do that.
>> Would you ask why are you not Muslim to my dad?
>> I mean, it's it's the prompt. So, if I don't know which one is going to be your dad, I mean, what is he an atheist or a Christian or what?
>> Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
>> Which one?
Atheist.
>> Atheist. Okay. Yeah. I mean, we could we could talk about it. Um I guess I don't really need to ask him that question if you think that that's going to upset him or something, but um yeah. I mean, I >> That would make me that would um that would lighten the mood, I think.
>> Why are you not Muslim?
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Just bring him, man. Have him come. Have him come. I I'll talk to him, inshallah. And uh you know, we could see where his head is at with everything.
Yeah.
>> Okay.
>> I'll I'll try talking to them tomorrow.
Bring them on.
>> Inshallah. Inshallah. Uh um tomorrow I'm not going to be live. Actually, I'm not going to be live. Oh, >> okay.
>> Yeah. Friday, Saturday, Sunday. I'm not going to be live. Actually, I completely forgot. Um I'll be back Monday though.
Monday. Monday.
>> All right. Monday then.
>> Okay.
>> Well, have fun on your break.
>> Well, thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
Wait for something good.
>> Just stay in tune. Stay tuned. Okay.
>> All right. All right. Okay. All right, >> have a lovely night.
>> You too, Crest. Have a good night.
>> Okay, guys. I am going to end the live.
Ending the live because I've got to do some stuff. All right, guys. Allahh bless all of you guys for coming. I appreciate every single one of you.
May Allah you know grant you guys the best of statuses in this world and in the next uh YouTube appreciate all of you guys as well.
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