Kasparian’s attempt to prioritize class over race ignores the reality that economic hardship is often built on a foundation of systemic racism. Her "colorblind" stance is a simplistic retreat from the complex, interconnected nature of modern social inequality.
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Ana Kasparian BLAMES Black People For "Reverse Racism"— "I Don't Give A Sh*t About Race!"Added:
So you you don't think that race was a part of that? You don't think?
>> No, that is a problem.
>> Yeah, >> that is a problem. That is a problem. I honestly don't want to spend my entire life and career harping on race. Okay, that's where I'm at. I I'm an American.
We live in a diverse country. Everyone needs to be treated with equality and respect. I'm I'm going to be honest with you. I don't give a [ __ ] about race at all. At all. I don't think about it. I don't look at people and see them as a race. I see them as my fellow American.
And I know that that's very offensive to some. I know some people want you to be obsessed with race. They want you to be thinking about race 24/7. I don't do that.
>> Sometimes I forget Anna is actually Armenian, but hell, the way she speaks, I would think that this was a straightup Caucasian woman. Y'all, let's go ahead and get into this video. Hit that like button. Subscribe to the channel. Here we go, y'all. [music] >> [music] >> What's up everybody? It's your boy AT2 here. Now, I seen this clip on X, but I wanted to play it in full context.
Basically, Anna goes on this whole rant against identity politics. And essentially she starts out by saying that because of the death of George Floyd, there was all this reverse racism. You know, racism against white people. Y'all, you can't make this up.
Shout out to Miam Francois. I've never heard of her before, but she has a podcast called The Tea, and she's talking about different topics with Anna regarding politics, and she's trying to relate to her, but Anna keeps basically going like, "No, it's actually this and not this." And it's all like, "You cannot separate the class war from a race war. You cannot separate the two."
Yes, class war does kind of trump race.
However, when you look at it, when it comes to the class war, black people are always at the bottom because we do not rectify and we do not address the issue when it comes to black people. So, let's go ahead and get into this interview right now. Here we go.
It's what the goal in its essence of what we call identity politics today was meant to be, right, which was to highlight the ways in which our distinctions make us privy to certain forms of oppression within society. I don't think they were originally destined to pit us against one another.
How do you think that occurred? Like how did we go from sort of just understanding that your subjectivity as a black disabled woman, for example, makes you more vulnerable to a certain number of factors within society to sort of um creating sort of these hierarchies that separate us, I suppose, is what you're saying. Well, because the way that we talked about these issues kind of led to a form of grievance politics and calls for punishment toward groups of people who never carried out those bad acts against anyone. You get what I'm saying? So, >> he's talking about white people. It's never been they never carried out those acts even though they benefit from white supremacy. Right.
>> I'll give you an example. And like I'm personally not offended by this. I don't really care. Uh but I know how devastating and toxic it is to a society. So for instance, after the George Floyd uh protest happened and everything, you know, there was this culture of people openly saying some pretty horrific things about, you know, people with light skin. Um just open racism against white people. And I know that sounds crazy because historically speaking, white people have been of privilege, right? But we're also living in a country right now where it doesn't matter if >> Hannah when did that happen? There's open racism against white people. One, white people are in the position of power and they're the majority in this country. So there is no system oppressing white people. White people are not being hung. White people are not being discriminated against for jobs or for housing or for loans. like this whole concept that Anna is saying right now, she knows this is [ __ ] >> If you're white, if you are a working-class person, you're screwed.
And how is it helpful to now do the reverse of the terrible, you know, bigoted or biased comments that were said about other groups of people. Like, it's you're not going to change the culture unless you're willing to reject all of that, right? and you you don't want to see it directed at anyone. Um I even saw it directed at Asians uh during the affirmative action fights because uh there were a group of Asians who challenged affirmative action all the way to the Supreme Court. And so all of a sudden you you have a minority group in the United States uh that people on the left were saying some pretty horrific things about uh because of the fact that they're Asian. Oh, Asians think so highly of themselves. they think they're white and this how is that conversation helpful?
>> Now what Anna will take is a small take from certain people like she's not looking at the whole scope of the conversation. The reason why that that whole topic about affirmative action when it came to schools, why that was such a big deal is because we weren't addressing the real issue which were white people. and white people were using Asians to get affirmative action overturned because basically they were saying like, "Oh, you guys work so hard and you got all these black and brown people, you know, getting into colleges that you deserve to be in. You're the one that has the scores and so forth and so, you know, on and on." But what's funny about it is that we don't talk about legacy. We don't talk about how white people inherently are able to buy their way into these schools, you know, we don't talk about that. And what's so funny is that it it only really was about three particular groups of Asians.
I know it was Chinese and Japanese and I believe the third was Korean. when it comes to Cambodians, Filipinos, uh, Lao, you know, like those groups of people don't um, you know, necessarily have the best scores or they don't come from money. So, they actually fall into that affirmative action group where yeah, they might not have the best scores, but at the end of the day, they're able to still get into schools.
So, it actually wasn't all Asians. It was only a certain group that it affected. But what's so funny that today Harvard they have seen an uptick in Asians but if you look at a lot of the other colleges there has not been this great mass integration of a whole bunch of Asians getting into these colleges because again legacy it's that's what's holding them back. It's actually the white people. And if we really want to talk about affirmative action we should talk about white women because you know who's the beneficiary of affirmative action when it comes to getting admitted to these schools? White women. Anna, even though you claim to be Armenian, but white women, >> I suppose, of course, and I and I hear you on that, but I suppose some other people might say, "But within that working class, yes, the working class is screwed, but actually black people are the most screwed of that group, right?
That that within that it's not equally screwed." And similarly with affirmative action, you know, your prospects as an Asian worker are not the same as a black worker. And that's, you know, statistically backed up that when you >> I like Miriam. Make sure you guys subscribe to her channel. I went ahead and shared it.
>> See the numbers on unemployment, when you see the numbers on people applying for jobs and actually being successful, that that reflects also race in addition to class. I mean, do you feel that, you know, because a lot of people, I suppose, on the right today are sort of within this idea of, you know, uh, white lives matter, that we shouldn't talk about race, that actually race is, uh, like you say, an impediment to a kind of coalesing around more important issues as they might see it. Like there's a sort of, I think, desire to go back to a colorblind world, which, you know, I'm not sure is going to serve the working class equally.
>> Well, let me ask you something. We did have affirmative action for many decades. Did it solve anything?
>> I mean, the question is, is it >> Here's the thing. That's the same as saying we have the Equal Employment Opportunity Act. Did it solve anything?
Yes, it did solve something. Now, was it the end all be all? No. Because obviously when it comes to, you know, civil rights, it was black people who fought for civil rights. Not saying that nobody else fought for civil rights.
Obviously, there were Filipinos, there were uh Hispanics, you know, like there are a whole bunch of movements at the time, but black people led the charge when it came to civil rights, but yet when you look at the beneficiaries of a lot of these different things, we are at the bottom of the total poll. So, this is why you can't avoid the topic of race and you know, you just want to make it a class thing. No, race plays a part in it too as well.
>> Affirmative action. the solution to racism right in society. I think that's what the question is here. I don't know that it is the same thing as saying that considerations of the ways in which race intersects with class should be removed from our considerations. Uh well, I never said that. I never said that.
Right. But what I do have a problem with is the way that suddenly the left used identitarianism and the differences in race, the differences in gender, the differences and all of these things that are immutable and we can't change. And honestly, the way that it was talked about pit everyone against each other.
So, we're not going to say that the right has used identity to demonize people, to demonize people of color, to demonize black people, to demonize immigrants. Why are we not talking about the white? The Oh, I said the white. The white. Hell, the whites. Why [laughter] are we not talking about them? Is she crazy right now? We wouldn't have to if there wasn't other people. And now you see with this administration, what they have done. Black unemployment has gone up. Now, it's stable. Like, it stayed the same this uh last month, but essentially it has gone up since Trump has been in office. Remember, it was over 300,000 black women who got fired from their jobs again.
So, you don't have a coalition even on the left. You have people who are obsessed with their own personal identity more than anything else. So, yes, racism does exist. That does need to be at the intersection of the class battle. Anyone who denies that is just living in a fantasy world. However, when you and this is this has been a really big problem. When you uplift or you prioritize how different and fractured we are from one another, when your politics becomes about not class war, but your own personal grievances, all you're going to do is cause fights.
And that's what you see on the left constantly. Every >> So basically, just ignore race. Just ignore it and it'll go away. This is what a lot of people think. If you don't talk about race, it goes away.
No, it [ __ ] doesn't.
Everyone's fighting each other. Broken coalitions, fracturing, and uh basically where we're at today, which is nowhere. Uh we have Trump, a complete buffoon, elected uh for the second time, destroying not just our country, but the globe as we speak.
And so I was warning the left in the leadup to the 2024 election. Guys, this immigration issue is really hurting the Democrats. They got to take it seriously. I got attacked. Okay. All right. Well, when you see the shift to the Republican party, >> hopefully you'll wake up to the fact that we've made mistakes and maybe we can change. Maybe we can do better moving forward.
>> We'll see.
>> Do but don't you see some of that identitarianism on the right as well?
Because I feel like there's a victimhood in the white identity narrative as well as that we see today. This like, oh, wo us. We have been neglected for so long.
We have been we're now the oppressed group. We're the real minority. We're going to be replaced. I mean, I personally see echoes of that in a lot of the right-wing discourse. It's just like a different side of the coin, but it happens to be the one that holds power. So to me it feels much more dangerous, right? One is kind of people who are disenfranchised calling for you know more power in society whether they are doing that in terms that you agree with or not but the other is literally cementing that power institutionally along the basis of race.
I mean didn't um uh the Trump administration just get rid of a whole bunch of uh black and brown senior military officials recently who were up for promotion? Wasn't this a thing?
>> They got rid of a bunch of military officials that probably uh raised some red flags about what Pete Hexith wants to do in the Middle East. Definitely.
There's no question. Yeah.
>> So, you you don't think that race was a part of that? You don't think?
>> No, that is a problem.
>> Yeah, >> that is a problem. That is a problem. I honestly don't want to spend my entire life.
>> Why is she getting upset?
What Miriam was talking about was specifically remember when they got a rid of DEI? like they went after black generals and got a rid of them because they said they were DEI hires even if they didn't have DEI or anything about equality or equity because they were black they got a rid of them but Anna is not speaking to that this happened within the first couple of months you know after um Pete Huff got hired for the job you know so Anna is not even speaking to that and Miriam is giving her example like this is what happened. This was directly because of race. And she's like, "Oh, well, yeah, but it's really because they were trying to give red flags about Israel." [laughter] Is [ __ ] They annoy me with that. AND MIND YOU, I'M ONE OF THE PEOPLE be all like, "Yeah, I don't rock with Israel either."
But at the end of the day, when we are talking about black people, we are talking about something specific. Stop bringing up Israel. like what are you doing >> and career harping on race. Okay, that's where I'm at. I I'm an American. We live in a diverse country. Everyone needs to be treated with equality and respect.
But at the end of the day, what pits us against each other the most are the elite are those who steal money from every single one of our paychecks and funnel it to a foreign country so they can do atrocities, so they can expand their borders. Yes, I'm talking about Israel. I'm I'm going to be honest with you. I don't give a [ __ ] about race at all. At all. I don't think about it. I don't look at people and see them as a race. I see them as my fellow American.
And I know that that >> I'm going to say something before she finishes.
If you don't see me, then what? Well, let me say if you don't see my race, then you don't see me.
Because here's the thing, I can't be around you and feel safe because you will ignore or try to pacify racism against me. So that's why the whole I don't see color thing or I don't think of race. That's why that is dangerous to say that because that means that if I'm around you, you will let something happen to me. It's deep.
>> It's very offensive to some. I know some people want you to be obsessed with race. They want you to be thinking about race 24/7. I don't do that. Uh for the people on the right who are obsessed with their white race. Uh you're part of the problem. You're just part of the problem. No one's looking to replace you. You live in the greatest country in the world. It's being destroyed by these nonsense conversations that again pit work.
>> Well, hell, that's the only part I agree with that she said so far.
>> Americans against each other based on utter nonsense. That's how I think.
That's my honest opinion.
>> And I'm sure lots of people would say, you know, it's easy to move through the world as white women, which we do, uh, without thinking about >> skin. And yes, I mean, got it. Yeah.
>> Right. So, okay, let let me also ask you about >> Okay, that's enough of that. But I just love how this woman, Miriam, and I don't even know if she lives in the United States or not. I know um throughout this whole thing, she talked about compared to the UK and what's happened over there versus America. So, I think she's over in the UK, but I love the her perspective and the way that she challenged Anna without it being so combative. She was like, "Well, you know, what about this?" And like I love how like they put up the articles about what they're directly talking about and what they're referencing because a lot of times people like, "Oh, that's not true." Well, she pops up or she has like a little box that shows you the article of what she's saying and what she's talking about. So, she's very factual.
So, I got to give her credit for that.
Kudos to her. But Anna, [ __ ] you.
That's how I feel from bringing up everything about, oh, it's really class. Yeah, it is a class war, but it's also a race war. And when you have the right directly attacking you and saying that, oh, you don't deserve this job because you only got it because of your race. And Anna did not talk about this at all. and she like it was basically, oh, the left, the left, the left, the left. Well, if there wasn't something being done to us, we wouldn't have to talk about race. But here's the thing, the Great Depression, who suffered the most? Black people.
Every uh the housing crisis in '08, who suffered the most? Black people. every economic downturn that has happened, black people were the most hurt by it.
So yes, you cannot say that there is a class war without also mentioning race because if you look at the wealth gap, we are at the bottom.
So again, Anna, I want to say that Anna probably knows of this because again, prior to 2024, the commentary was a lot different on the Young Turks. It seemed like they understood, but at the end of the day, they're just like white people.
I don't care about nothing about that race. It doesn't affect me. I don't care.
We already knew TYT, Anna, and Jen were antilack. This just basically confirms it. But let me know what you guys think about everything from Anna, her rant against identity politics, her blaming George Floyd and practically blaming black people for, you know, talking about race or even reverse racism. You know, we're racist against whites, we're racist against Asians. Like, come on, man. Like, you got to stop all that.
Just weird. And I hope CNN don't have your ass back on panel either. They need to fire you. But anyway, love y'all for watching. Hit that like button. Also, subscribe to the channel and make sure that you guys hit that notification bell and press all, but also hit that like button and give me up the algorithm. I love y'all for watching, but we out of here. Deuces everybody.
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