Pro-Life Caller Trapped By His OWN Horrifying Logic!

Ajouté : 2026-05-15

[00:00:00]No.

[00:00:00]>> Okay. So, if they can't consent to, what makes you think that they should have an obligation to maintain the pregnancy?

[00:00:07]>> Uh, [music] >> do you support Trump?

[00:00:17]>> Uh, in some aspects, yeah, I would say.

[00:00:19]>> Okay. Like if the election were held today, Harris versus Trump, who would you rather vote for?

[00:00:24]>> Probably Trump. Yeah.

[00:00:26]>> Okay. Why do you support Trump?

[00:00:28]Uh mainly I'd say because of um abortion and things in that nature.

[00:00:33]>> Okay. And what about abortion?

[00:00:35]>> Um so actually I kind of wanted to test them lot. You and Dean hold like the same standards on that basically, right?

[00:00:42]>> Mhm.

[00:00:43]>> Okay. So, the other day I heard Dean talking to um somebody and they were saying that um basically 11-year-old girl shouldn't have to carry out a pregnancy, which I could agree with, you know, if they're going to die or whatever. But if you're going to say that and he's saying, you know, they can't make the choice to carry out this pregnancy, but then you want to say that these 11-year-old girls are boys.

[00:01:13]>> I have a question. Are you pro-life?

[00:01:15]>> Yes.

[00:01:16]>> And do you think that 10-year-old girls who get raped should be forced to go through a pregnancy?

[00:01:21]>> No. No. No. No.

[00:01:22]>> Okay. Okay. So, you think that there should be a choice or they they should be able to get an abortion?

[00:01:29]>> Well, let me rephrase. is I think that if they can healthfully carry the baby, well, not okay, not if they're graped.

[00:01:36]Not if they're graped. I'll say that if they if they consentually, you know, had intercourse with, you know, a kid around their age or whatever.

[00:01:43]>> 12-year-olds.

[00:01:44]>> Well, not consensually, you know, >> you see kids around those age getting each other pregnant though all the time.

[00:01:51]>> I don't I don't think if a 12-year-old is doing stuff with another 12-year-old, that means that they should be forced to go through a pregnancy. No, >> I don't think that they should be in that circumstance. Forced >> they didn't get forced to go through a pregnancy. If you >> you are you're quite literally saying that they should go through that pregnancy as a 12-year-old.

[00:02:08]>> I'm saying if they can healthfully carry the baby. Yes. Cuz that's another life that Yes.

[00:02:14]>> What are you talking What does it mean?

[00:02:17]Let me What does it mean to healthily take care of the baby? What does that even mean? Because there there could be medical risks outside of >> they have supports. They're not going to die from the birth.

[00:02:26]>> Let me test your logic. So, they're not going to die. So, so, so like they could have medical complications >> and you'd be okay with that. You'd be okay with a 12year-old having no. Can you please answer this question? You'd be okay with a 12-year-old getting medical complications because of the fact that they had to go through a pregnancy simply because they didn't die.

[00:02:41]>> Uh, what do you mean? What? Like they had medical complications? Like what?

[00:02:45]>> Like, okay, wait. So, you you need me to specify the medical complications? I'm just saying any type of medical complications, whether it affects fertility, whether it impacts specifically their mobility, whether it impacts specifically them, right? Uh in terms of organ function, um nutrient deficiency, like there's countless things I can point to.

[00:03:04]>> Yeah. Um you know, I mean, I think those things can be treated, right?

[00:03:08]>> Okay. You don't think any of those things uh you don't think any of those things are concerns?

[00:03:13]>> Infertility, that may be a concern.

[00:03:15]Yeah, that's the only thing that you said there. Basically, they can't be treated.

[00:03:19]>> Not mental health, not psychological develop, not psychological development, >> not physical um negative impacts, >> not the pain that they have to go through, >> but what about >> not the immense obligation that you're undergoing that you're making them undergo?

[00:03:37]>> What about the people that have went through that and they have a kid now and and they're more than happy with you're wait. forcing them to go through that.

[00:03:46]>> No, I'm not. Nobody's >> Wait, wait, wait. What? That is literally what you just advocated for.

[00:03:50]You just advocated for a 12-year-old to be forced pregnancy.

[00:03:53]>> No, you're going to answer my question now. You ready?

[00:03:56]>> If a 12-year-old can make the choice, if you're saying they can choose not to go through this pregnancy, they they chose to do that in the first place, you know, in a in a circumstance of it not being grape, right? But you're saying, okay, so they can't choose to go through a pregnancy. They don't have that choice.

[00:04:13]They don't have the capacity to make that choice. Somebody has to make it for them. Right. But these 11 and 12year-old boys and girls can be trans people doing hormone therapy and they can >> You're the one who wait by the way.

[00:04:25]You're the one who just said it should be picked for them. You're saying they should be forced to go through. And by the way, yes, through the context of a doctor, you should be able to get access to puberty blockers and if you need to later on be able to get access to hormones when you're when you're older, right?

[00:04:36]>> To make decisions like that.

[00:04:37]>> Yeah. Doctors, parents, and and the kids. Yes. So that's what happens. Like by the way when I was 16 years old I got access to Accutane right through the context of my doctor my parents right that impacts my hormones that can have side effects and it was for my psychological health.

[00:04:51]>> Yeah.

[00:04:52]>> Okay. Should I have not been able to get access to that age 16 years old?

[00:04:56]>> My whole the whole premise here is I'm testing the logic that Dean was I heard Dean using. He's saying that this 12-year-old doesn't have >> a 12-year-old cannot consent to >> Okay, but how can this 12y old say they're trans? You listen to them. They wait, sir. Do you agree? Do Do you think 12-year-olds can consent to?

[00:05:15]>> No.

[00:05:16]>> Okay. So, if they can't consent to, what makes you think that they should have an obligation to maintain the pregnancy?

[00:05:21]>> Uh, I'm not Well, I guess that's not even necessarily the logic that I'm testing there.

[00:05:27]>> Wait, wait, wait, that is your argument.

[00:05:28]So, you already said that if a if a 12-year-old was a they don't need to go through the context of a pregnancy. They should be able to get an abortion. So, I'm asking the question, if a 12-year-old cannot consent, what makes you think that they shouldn't be able to get an abortion? Uh, I mean, you can also die during abortions. Those things aren't 100%. Um, you know, it's also another life you're taking as well. Life begins at conception.

[00:05:49]>> Okay. So, so what is the answer?

[00:05:50]>> What? Rephrase the question and say it again.

[00:05:52]>> Yeah. Okay. I'll just I'll just play it back cuz I think I just got caught off guard by like you not >> and answering, I guess. Sorry. I apologize.

[00:05:59]>> Cannot consent to Oh, sorry. I remember.

[00:06:02]Uh, 12-year-olds cannot consent to sex.

[00:06:03]You agree?

[00:06:05]>> Yes, I agree.

[00:06:06]If they can't consent to, why do they have an obligation to maintain a pregnancy? Because you said earlier that if a 12-year-old was a they are not they do not have an obligation to maintain that pregnancy. Okay.

[00:06:15]>> Yeah. Because >> either way, it's because they don't have the consent to engage in, right? There's no consent to there. Okay. So, if in either circumstance, there's no consent to because they can't consent, right?

[00:06:25]Then that means they should not have an obligation to maintain a pregnancy.

[00:06:29]>> No. Yeah, I can agree with you there.

[00:06:31]Um, no. Yeah, I can definitely agree with you. I see what you're saying. Um, I guess really it's like, you know, it doesn't seem like the best ground to be standing on though because you're saying that these these 12y olds and 11year-olds can say, "Hey, I feel like a boy and I I'm going to decide I want hormone therapy. Bring me to a doctor.

[00:06:49]I'm going to cut my genitalia off." And that's all.

[00:06:52]>> You don't get to do that as 11. You don't get hormones and you do. They block puberty. They use puberty blockers.

[00:06:58]>> Stop. Stop.

[00:06:58]>> That is hormone therapy.

[00:07:00]>> Wait, that's that's different from HRT.

[00:07:02]I need I need to clarify quick. Um, so >> yeah. No. Either way, at that point at that hormotherapy, >> can I please explain this puberty blocker?

[00:07:08]>> Sir, you have no clue what you're talking about. Please let me explain this.

[00:07:11]>> I do.

[00:07:12]>> Then can I explain it, please?

[00:07:14]>> Yeah, go. [snorts] >> Okay. So, they're not giving gender uh affirming surgery to children. That's not happening. Uh you claiming that they're cutting genitalia off of kids is ridiculous. They're not doing that. No.

[00:07:26]>> Oh, they're not.

[00:07:27]>> They're not. So, like >> what are they doing? What are they doing?

[00:07:30]>> There's no source of that. You won't be able to find provide anything at that at very young right the latest the only thing you could possibly find if puberty has happened is that they could have puberty blockers right which would be the context of multiple years of talking to a doctor or multiple years of going through the context of your parents and it being perpetual continual and literally all the time right so I just want to clarify that there's a lengthy process for children to be able to get access to these puberty blockers in the very first place the effects of which are reversible right now if you want to talk about hormones hormone replacement Y I'm going to mute you if you don't be quiet. Hormone replacement therapy doesn't happen until later on. Typically 15 through 17, right, is when it typically starts for individuals. It can even start later. Plenty of individuals would go through hormone replacement therapy when they are an adult, right?

[00:08:18]They can go through puberty again when they're an adult, right? There are plenty of individuals at depending on the different time in which are going to have that sort of uh hormone replacement therapy at different times. But the time that you're referencing is they're not getting it like at 11 years old. That's not happening. No one's getting hormone replacement therapy at 11 years old, dude.

[00:08:36]>> But that's where it begins.

[00:08:38]It begins there for plenty of children across this country. You want to bet >> people do that at that age all the time.

[00:08:44]I've seen crazy people. Yes. I've seen crazy people saying that their three-year-old is a trans and they say that their three-year-old tells them they're trans.

[00:08:52]>> Can you Can you show me the source in either of those circumstances? for the three-year-old saying that they're trans and then also for the uh >> you think these parents don't exist. You think that doesn't happen.

[00:09:01]>> I want you.

[00:09:01]>> You're actually saying that.

[00:09:03]>> I'm saying you said a three-year-old said that they they were trans. I want to see this.

[00:09:06]>> I'm saying the parents said that. This the three-year-old said that.

[00:09:10]>> Okay. Can you just give me the source?

[00:09:11]Like in even one circumstance of that being the case, I don't think that's going to be evidence of that happening across the board or something that we're advocating for. We're not trying to push being trans on kids. This is a ridiculous thing that's being perpetuated as as like a sort of Please be quiet and listen. Listen to a full idea. Listen to a full idea.

[00:09:28]Listening ears on.

[00:09:30]>> Okay.

[00:09:31]>> Okay. We're not advocating to push being trans on kids. It's simply that if they're trans, they get the necessary support that they need.

[00:09:39]>> An 11year-old can make that decision.

[00:09:41]They they know they're trans. They can say that.

[00:09:44]>> Yes. 11year-olds can know that they're trans and can go through the context of parents and a doctor and can obviously right get help that they need right depending on the circumstances depending their needs at the time.

[00:09:54]>> So at what age does that does that stop?

[00:09:57]>> Well that's depending on the doctors.

[00:09:59]The doctors make these determinations based upon what's going to be impactful what's relative to the health uh the studies what the studies say uh what are the risks and benefits involved. Uh those are the all the determination that doctors make. All right, let's say a seven-year-old, what if a seven-year-old said they they thought they were trans?

[00:10:15]>> You're going to take that as a viable thought and you're going to really go and and put, you know, start giving them medication to >> they're not they're not going to get medication at 7 years old, right? Unless >> not at seven, obviously.

[00:10:28]>> If they're getting medication process of it, that's sir. If they're getting medication at seven years old, it's because they have precocious puberty and that's the reason why they're addressing the needs of >> I'm not saying starting the medicine at seven. I'm saying they're starting that if they said that and you started bringing them to a doctor at that age, you're letting this seven-year-old tell you that they're a different gender than they were born. That is not a um a thought. Like that's not a normal thought. You could tell a seven-year-old, "Hey, you want $10,000 of this Oreo? They're going to take the Oreo."

[00:10:58]So, they don't have viable thoughts. You can't you can't do that. That doesn't make any sense. You don't support a thought that doesn't make that's not with reality. It doesn't make sense. So, if a kid tells you that they're trans and that persists and continues and that stays around for years upon years upon years, right, you go to doctors, right?

[00:11:14]And it's wait, by the way, they they still have that understanding. They still have that feeling, that's going to mean they're very likely trans, right?

[00:11:21]Kids are not going to just like for years, right? If they're not trans, right, literally have the feeling that they want to literally associate with the opposite gender, right? not in just within a mechanism of having some sort of expression, but in literally being referred to that way. I think that you you have to understand that there is going to be a persistency and a consistency, right, for individuals that are trans that are going to clearly identify it, right, as that they are trans. Yes, kids do plenty of things in their kids, but the insistence, the persistence, and the continuation of this continually all the time, right, is obviously going to be something that demonstrates that this is true. And there are plenty of people who are trans that talk about the fact that they literally did know, right? You obviously can make an understanding of what your gender is. And if there are people who are trans that experience this and they tell you that they have these experiences, why wouldn't you understand that or take that into consideration when it comes to a child in a certain scenario? Now, it is very unlikely that your kid is going to be trans. Yes.

[00:12:18]Right. Trans people make up less than 1% of the population. Now, that doesn't mean that if there is the consistency, persistency, right, and the continual drive to do so, that you shouldn't take into consideration that they're trans.

[00:12:31]Obviously, you should and you should respect them. Treat them with dignity.

[00:12:35]Let them find out who they are. Don't enforce this idea upon them of they need to be sis or they need to be trans. Let them figure it out themselves. And if they have the consistency, the persistency, and continue, well, then you know that they are trans.

[00:12:47]>> What does it mean?

[00:12:48]>> I don't think that's that complicated. I don't think it's that complicated. What does it mean to be trans?

[00:12:53]>> What does it mean to be to have commitments to be in accordance with certain sets of social and cultural norms that are typically associated with the gender not associated typically with the in which you are uh uh assigned at birth?

[00:13:03]>> Okay. So, you just want to you just want to basically you're saying you want to like well like yeah obviously like wear makeup whatever things like that. That's [snorts] what being trans is.

[00:13:15]It's Yeah. It's the It's the It's the gender identity, right? And the I was breaking down what the gender identity is to you.

[00:13:22]>> Yeah. So, like anybody that just puts on a wig and wears makeup like can go say, "Hey, I'm a trans. I can go."

[00:13:30]>> That's what it is. That's not >> People could do that though and you wouldn't know the difference.

[00:13:34]>> No, it's No, it's No, it's not at all.

[00:13:37]So, you you're say, "Oh, we won't be able to identify whether or not this person is lying to us in that circumstance. Is that what your determination is?"

[00:13:43]>> I'm saying that. Yes. I'm saying anybody say they say you have like want to get at people or things like that they can use that as a cover up like that's that's like you know it doesn't make any sense.

[00:13:56]>> Watch this one within [snorts] our society don't have to do that. They're able to get away with it and get into the position of the presidency.

[00:14:02]Secondly, secondly, if you want to reference this, right, um they're more likely to do so if you force people who are trans to go based upon, say, for example, the bathrooms based upon their biological because trans men are masculine presenting, right? And if you're forcing them to go into the women's restroom, well then cis men who are trying to portray themselves as trans to be able to like take advantage of people, right, could just portray themselves as trans men, right? And they don't have to change their presentation at all. So, is it more likely to change their presentation to make themselves uh uh uh like appear more uh feminine in order to be able to go into the women's restroom or would they just rather not do that?

[00:14:37]>> Well, okay. So, you're saying they could >> Hold on. Say that again. Sorry.

[00:14:42]>> If they don't need to change their appearance, would they prefer to not change their appearance?

[00:14:47]>> Well, yeah. But, um >> so under your system, right, they're not going to have to change their appearance at all.

[00:14:54]>> Right. And even so, by the way, let me just clarify. We would in any of these circumstances, whether they're going into a boys's or a girl's restroom or a woman's or a men's restroom, any going into any of these restrooms, we should have a response to it's not going to be okay that a is going into the the boys bathroom or the men's restroom. Like, are you serious? Does that make it okay that instead of going into the women's restroom, they go into the men's restroom? Like, I I just don't know how that makes it any better. it. We want to prevent from going to these spaces regardless of whether or not they're going to the men's, the women's restroom. Like, seriously, think about it for a second.

[00:15:28]>> You're saying a sis man wouldn't want to change his identity to be able to, you know, do that or whatever.

[00:15:36]Where did that come from? What did you say before that to make that that stand?

[00:15:39]I don't >> No, no. They they don't have to portray themselves as like more feminine than they are, right? um if they're not obviously that like we're talking about someone who's sis who's not trans we're talking about someone who's trying to portray themselves as trans to be able to take advantage of people right and I would say they'd be more likely to do so if they don't have to change the presentation in which they have right I think that makes sense and even so we want to prevent them from going into any bathroom >> well should be in jail the predators is a complicated thing that the should be in scale.

[00:16:14]>> Yeah, exactly. That's why that's why this whole thing saying, "Oh, there's 40 genders," you know, it kind of contributes to that people use this.

[00:16:23]>> How does how does the notion that there are other genders outside of the context of the typical onesated within our society is somehow going to contribute to anyhow man can say he is a woman. He can walk in a woman's bathroom with little children that are in there and he can be a in that woman's bathroom. Yes, that can happen and it does happen.

[00:16:44]>> Hey, sir, I I already responded to this.

[00:16:47]I said it would be more likely if you're forcing people to go into the bathrooms based on their biological because then they could just portray themselves as trans men rather than saying that they're trans women and they don't have to change their presentation to appear more feminine.

[00:16:58]>> Uh along the fact along with the Listen, please let me finish a thought. Please let me finish a thought.

[00:17:04]>> Along with the fact that they have to uh you're saying that you're okay with a going into the boys's restroom?

[00:17:10]>> No.

[00:17:11]>> Okay. Okay. So then, so then what's your point then? Cuz you want to restrict from going into either of those bathrooms.

[00:17:16]>> Yeah.

[00:17:17]>> So if your view doesn't do that, doesn't prevent them from going in either of the bathrooms, then how are you going to act like you have a morally preferable view?

[00:17:24]>> More preventative than than your view would be.

[00:17:27]>> What's your evidence of that?

[00:17:28]>> Well, I mean, you're keeping men out of women's bathrooms for one.

[00:17:31]>> Really? Did Did you do that by Did you do that by uh advocating for the guy that bragged about walking into the changing rooms who n women while they're changing without their consent?

[00:17:38]>> I I'll let it be known. I didn't vote for Trump. I I didn't >> You support him right now. You just said you supported him.

[00:17:43]>> I support I'll support him talking to you right now because I want to talk about abortion. Exactly. So you don't he doesn't