Palestinian Activist Gets Fact Checked Repeatedly

Ajouté : 2026-05-13

[00:00:00]This part of the debate with a Palestinian woman is very argumentative.

[00:00:03]But you can start to see the holes forming in her narrative in the history that she learned because as Rudy proves her wrong again and again, she just jumps to the next topic and the next topic instead of trying to dig deeper and actually see if there's a misunderstanding or maybe there's can be an agreement. Um, but I think for the general audience who's watching this, you can see it's clear that Rudy is genuine. He's trying to educate and he's trying to find solutions. Let's have a listen. I'm going to start off with saying if historical connection and indigenous roots legitimizes um trumping sovereignty of nations then modern borders are meaningless and if it doesn't then Zionism is a political movement and we have evidence of this as Theodore Herzel himself is and was an atheist. We also have quotes coming from Gent Bengurian who said we want to expel the Arabs. We also had other people um who have referred to Arabs as rocks that needed to be moved throughout the land of Judea. I actually have the name of it right now. Whitesman. I also want to say, >> all right, some of these quotes are definitely taken out of context. Now, sure, there were some Zionist leaders who made bigoted comments about Arabs, and there were many Arab leaders who said horrible things about Zionists and Jews. In terms of Herzel, he was not an atheist. He was definitely Jewish. He did understand his culture. He was assimilated, so he might not have been observant of Jewish law, but he knew who he was. And in fact, he wrote in his book that because the Jews were going to be bringing so much prosperity and development to the region that the Arabs would be benefiting a lot. So there was no plan that they're going to show up and just start kicking Arabs out. That only happened because the war broke out.

[00:01:38]So let's just not pin the blame on the wrong place.

[00:01:43]>> That we wanted to look at the word of Palestine. I know you were like mentioning that this came from the Romans. Actually Hereditus, the father of history mentioned Palestine eight times. actually comes from a Greek word describing the coast. So this isn't a term that came from the Romans of colonizing. And we actively see Zionism was Palestine wasn't even the first option. Why did the Zionists Congress consider Uganda and Argentina? That is a colonial project.

[00:02:08]>> So let me answer to those things because you said a lot of things. Heretitus that you're bringing up is a Greek person.

[00:02:12]The pre Greek population in Cree were the Palestinians. So obviously the collective that is now the Greek Empire would like to call other territories as part of their territory and would call that land Palestine. But the the moment that that land really became called Palestine is the moment that the Romans conquered which is way let you finish way after the Greek empire is the Romans. And in order to insult the memory of the Jews, they called that name Palistine. Why? Because that's actually also a Hebrew word which means invaders. Now I don't consider you to be an invader but you should know that pistim Palestinian literally in Hebrew means invaders. Now you talked about colonization, decolonization, indigenous populations on the territory that was the indigenous population being the Hebrews, the Jews, the Israelites that was colonized by different empires.

[00:02:51]There was never a country that was built on top of it since it was always in the hand of foreign empires until it was revived to being the land of Israel. Now I do support indigenous liberations all across the world. The Tibetans, the Azidis, the Kurds, the Aboriginals. Now there's different types of indigenous liberation.

[00:03:04]>> And see the guy in the background is shocked. Oh my gosh, he actually supports other indigenous people too.

[00:03:10]Some populations want a state, some populations don't want a state.

[00:03:12]>> So there was a sovereign state of Palestine state and there was a British mandate of Palestine. But there were still identified themselves as Palestinian after you identify yourself as Palestinian.

[00:03:21]>> So what >> I wish Rudy would have challenged her and asked her when you know okay so if there was a sovereign state of Palestine when from what year till what year did it exist if you believe that it exists because uh she wouldn't have an answer to that. I'm trying to say is that there were people who I actually you don't even need technically under international law you don't need to have a sovereign state in order for it to qualify as occupation an occupation can be imposed on people who are not a part of a sovereign state but of a collective identity who have had as you said earlier a continuous presence on that land I think one of the other [clears throat] >> had a continuous presence >> and so did the Canaanites and the people converted to I don't want to get into that debate but besides that there are people >> that was so good that was so good Rudy's quick you brought it up like what do you mean you don't want to get into who have been there continuously and actually there is >> plenty of ways to go about this but there is evidence that prior to 1948 and prior to the creation of the modern-day state of Israel that there's an incredible influx of people who have converted to Judaism for yes there is it's actually from South Africa multiple people after the fall >> I have no idea what she's talking about so I wanted to look up the article and even in the article that she was talking about it said like a small unknown number of people had converted So the amount of people who are converting and moving to Israel is a tiny sliver, a fraction. That is not the main thing that needs to be talked about because it's not actually impacting the population at all.

[00:04:43]>> This is they will fact check and it's written in harets that they after see Israel publication that posts an article. You read an article and you >> I don't want to get into I don't want to get into ad homonym. Let's focus on fact and to my >> what does she think the ad homonym is?

[00:04:56]because he said that the Haritz is a super biased one-sided media outlet like we know exists all over. Was that ad homonym?

[00:05:03]>> It is true and it has been documented pretty well that after the fall of a South African aparttheid state that people converted to Judaism and suddenly had a more legitimate claim.

[00:05:12]>> Oh, the partite state happened way after the creation of the state of Israel.

[00:05:14]What are you talking about?

[00:05:15]>> But I'm just saying that there there was an influx of people that came and converted to the state. Anyway, >> Jews who are returning home, there are not Jews who are converting in >> Why don't we have the Palestinian right to return, right?

[00:05:24]change the topic.

[00:05:25]>> But how come it hasn't happened? And if we had a Palestinian majority, I don't think >> that's that's a great question why it hasn't happened. The reason it hasn't happened is because my population and your population are raised to see each other as enemies. And when we have conversations, it's always the idea of Jewish indigenity and our access to the land and our liberation means the destruction of yours and I'm against the destruction of your people. I'm for the idea of your >> Zionism's earliest founders and it has been documented. If they're all about, you know, returning back home, why is every single one of their writing about colonialism? Yes, it is. You could look at >> Herzel and other individuals spoke about creating a civilization with the other inhabitants.

[00:05:58]>> Recognize my point about Uganda and Argentina. If >> okay, she's about to change the topic, but it's important to say that just because the early writers of the Zionist movement used the term colonization. It was during the period where that just referred to developing land. Now, Israel is not a colony of a larger empire. Like for example, the the British Empire is sending out colonies, creating colonies and all these places, taking the resources, sending them back to the motherland and having control of the region. But Israel is is the only place.

[00:06:27]It's not a colony of a of a bigger place. So it's totally not the same dynamic. The word doesn't make sense.

[00:06:32]Even the language, you know, there's no other place in the world that speaks Hebrew, whereas there's a lot of other places in the world that speak Arabic, English, French, and Spanish because those are the actual colonizing powers.

[00:06:42]Those are the people who colonized, spread their language, pushed it on populations. Whereas Israel just does not fit into that mold at all.

[00:06:49]>> Palestine, a Palestine, Palestine was not the only option, which goes to show that this is a colonial project because they considered other states despite not having um as strong of a religious claim.

[00:06:59]>> That's Thank you for reminding me the third claim that you made originally.

[00:07:01]So, there were other options.

[00:07:03]>> Everyone needs to learn to be as respectful as Rudy is when he debates.

[00:07:06]He just Yeah. Thank you. Thank you for bringing that back.

[00:07:08]>> It wasn't just Uganda. It was Argentina, Bilban, Angola, and Madagascar. And this is what the world offered to the Jews, not what the Jews wanted. The Jews always wanted to go to Jerusalem. That's why we pray towards Jerusalem. When we get married, where does the name Jerusalem come from? Where does >> she's trying to change the topic again.

[00:07:23]>> Smash the I'll answer that after. When we smash the glass in our weddings, right? I'm sure a lot of you have seen movies or I've been to a Jewish wedding.

[00:07:28]It represents the destruction of Jerusalem and the promise that our kids will return back home and rebuild Jerusalem. Now, Uganda was proposed to the Jews by Herzel. He said, "Look, I know we're being killed right now in Europe, and we're about to be killed even more. If we don't get to the our land right now, at least we'll go to Uganda, and then we'll go to Israel."

[00:07:41]And the Jews rejected that. This was imposed by other people, not by what we want.

[00:07:45]>> The Uganda plan was always seen as a temporary solution to get out of the Holocaust, save as many Jews as possible, and then ultimately make it to Israel.

[00:07:53]>> And that would have been actual colonization if the Jewish people had built a country in Uganda and stayed there. That would be colonization. But that's not what happened. is inm which means to see peace. One day we will find peace in Islam.

[00:08:05]>> Means in the Canaanite language from and then shal like shalam is the Canaanite god of dusk and that name has been around for centuries. 6,000b you will see and shalm shalom being peace.

[00:08:15]>> Actually the Hebrew >> what point was she trying to make with the name thing you will see shalam peace. This this is the city where peace has to come from. It has to start here.

[00:08:24]language. Ben Yehuda, the father father of modern day Hebrew language, actually took many words from Arabic to revive that language because it has been dead for so many years. Hebrew continuous existence.

[00:08:36]No, that's the spoken language. There was Latino, there was Judeo, Arabic, there were other cre spoken today, but we learned the Torah. We learned all of our texts are in Hebrew.

[00:08:46]She just keeps jumping topics.

[00:08:48]Everything that she brings up, Rudy's like, "All right, we'll address that straight on. Let's get to the bottom of it." And then instead of actually trying to find what is the truth, instead of arguing to find what are we really getting at, she just jumps to the next topic.

[00:09:00]>> Judify the landscape by planting non-indigenous trees all throughout Palestine.

[00:09:04]>> Was Judifying planting something non-indigenous?

[00:09:06]>> No, no, no. I'm saying this is according to the JNF. They judified the landscape.

[00:09:10]They took committees to go around the Arabic villages of the names and give them Hebrew equivalent names. The same way Benjamin Netanyahu changed his last name from Milikowski to Netanyahu.

[00:09:18]>> His last names are 200 years old. Last names are the past 200 years. We did not have last names before. It was your name, son of your father and of your tribe. And there are other Middle Eastern peoples who have very similar culture to that. Last name are New >> the Jewish people were colonized. The fact that we were in the diaspora in the first place and our culture was different and we had assimilated and we had lost our language. That was our colonization. And so coming back to the land, taking on our Hebrew names, speaking our language again, that's all decolonization.

[00:09:46]to Netanya and why did they change village names and give them Hebrew equivalent names with the modern Hebrew revived the name of Israel like for example Nablas right you know what Nablus comes from it comes from Neopolis which is Greek and Latin which means new city right that the Romans renamed Arm which was the indigenous name to Neopololis. So when you have certain territories like alud going back to Jerusalem which actually is called Jerusalem or Safed going back to which is the original name were actually returning back to the language that your ancestors hold on they actually >> fact check.

[00:10:20]>> Hebrew was spoken in ancient Judah and the southern Levant before the region shifted to Aramaic Aramaic and later Arabic. Scholars note continuity between ancient Levventine populations and modern groups in the region including Palestinians. A 2020 study published in Cell found genetic continuity between broads age Levantines and later inhabitants. Uh so yeah, the Hebrew language is ancient. Yes, it needed to be revived. It needed to be brought back into the population and spoken dayto-day, but we didn't create it out of thin air.

[00:10:45]>> No, they spoke Aramaic as well. I Okay, can I get to my point first? Why would they hire a committee to judify the names of the town to if they had such a legitimate claim to it and take the equivalent Arabic names and then give it? So you're saying that the Arabs decolonize the Are you saying that the Arabs are colonizers right now?

[00:11:02]>> Colonized the entire Middle East and North Africa.

[00:11:05]>> You do not descend from the Arabs. You desend.

[00:11:07]>> That was crazy. She's never even heard the idea that the Arabs from Arabia are the ones who did colonization. She's shocked by it. And Rudy just said it so clearly, looking her straight in the eye. Let's run that back.

[00:11:18]>> Colonized the entire Middle East and North Africa. You do not descend from the Arabs. You descend from the same family.

[00:11:24]>> I'd rather you not tell me. Okay. I would rather you not tell me where I come from. Deny that. No, I'm not going to. I just don't want to go into that.

[00:11:29]I'd rather focus on the fact you're going to ad hom instead of >> logic would be an attack. I'm not >> Rudy just went in. He just called her out so hard and she was not ready for it. And uh and I think he broke something a little bit. I think she realized whoa whoa whoa. Uh let me change the topic quickly cuz this is going to get too sensitive if we actually talk about her origins and maybe how her ancestors became Muslim in the first place.

[00:11:51]>> Talking.

[00:11:51]>> Let's focus right now. So we're talking about how they had specific committees to try and then why would they play >> deolonize the names of >> why? Okay. So you're saying that the Palestinians who had lived there because you're denying the NEPA right now because the Palestinians lived and called these homes. Tentura was a home.

[00:12:06]Okay. Awesome. I'm really glad that you're doing that. So Tentura and multiple other cities all throughout Palestine that the people resonated with when they were forcibly disa placed as you know 750,000 of them. Why is it that they built cities on top of them and gave them Hebrew equivalent names to the Arab? I don't call that de >> interesting that she brings up building on top of because the dome of the rock, the gold structure was literally built on top of the Jewish temple to show dominance as the Islamic conquest came in >> colonization that is textbook colonization and trying to legitimize whatever false claim that comes from Theodore Herzel and the entire rest of his group. And I'd also one more thing I said one time please remember they marketed Yafa as the land with no people for the people with no land. That wasn't Jews that marketed that. That was Christians that marketed that way.

[00:12:54]>> But this land was abundant with people and Palestinians have consistently been present. The Palestinian identity goes way back as well.

[00:13:01]>> I believe you should have a right to live in this land. And if we look at what happened in 1948, there were Jewish villages and Palestinian villages that were destroyed. That is what happens during war. Now, all the Palestinian villages that were destroyed were Palestinian villages that sided with the other Arab armies from the surrounding nations around Israel that attacked Israel in 1948 to ethnically cleanse and destroy Israel, bringing all the Jews from the river and into the sea. There are many Jewish villages that were destroyed as well. Most of the village was civilians were innocent. So many people were displaced that shouldn't have been displaced. Now we need to have a conversation of how to bring them back. But you're only talking about when Palestinians are suffering to war. I'm talking about when both are suffering to war. And when you take the name suffering from suffering to war from who? Arabs are from Arabia, right? Jews are from Judea. It is very simple.

[00:13:39]Arabic language poured into that land.

[00:13:41]Arabic names poured into that land is not from the land of Israel.

[00:13:45]>> Rudy is just dropping truth bombs and I think she can't handle it and she just wants to change the topic. us 1948 Israel was attacked by all the surrounding Arab countries from Jordan prior to Israel's existence prior to Israel's existence >> yeah there were many confrontations that we had between our peoples like in the 1930s the massacre where Husseini incited the population of to go and kill the Jews >> let's look at Palestine present Palestine proper whatever you want to call it the British man okay no from 1948 from prior to 1948 people live there and were forcibly displaced by a foreign entity that has come back. I would I view it as differently. I think that they have I think that there is a Jewish connection to that land and I don't think they cannot be foreign. But here's the thing. I said this earlier.

[00:14:28]If historical connection and indigenity alone trumps whatever people are already there, then all my trump [laughter] other people it just I'm just saying don't call it foreign. I'm saying it trumps the idea that we're colonizers and foreign people. And because you see me as a foreigner and other Israelis see me as a foreigner.

[00:14:44]>> Rudy's doing an amazing job of reentering and just fixing the terms.

[00:14:48]Okay. Okay, the terms have to be correct if we can have a productive conversation.

[00:14:51]>> This is from John Hopkins says that not a a majority of the Jewish people in Israel do not have a connection to the Middle East. And I really hope I'm fact checked on this. His name is Elhake and he goes, >> "Okay, let's read the fact check. The claim that most Jewish Israelis have no connection to the land is not supported by mainstream research. Large genetic studies published in journals such as Nature and the American She's wrong."

[00:15:09]Okay. And she Oh. Geneticist Aaron Elhack has proposed alternative models emphasizing mixed Eurasian origins for some groups, but his conclusions are debated and not negate evidence of Levventine ancestry. So yeah, there's one geneticist who who came up with a study that contradicts all of the other research and that's who she wants to quote to try to make her claim, but she basically just fact checked herself incorrect.

[00:15:30]>> He's from John Hopkins and is an Israeli geneticist.

[00:15:32]>> Many geneticists that show that actually the Jews >> there's plenty of Israelis who say terrible things. It's not just because he's Israeli that that he's correct.

[00:15:38]descend from Islam. And Palestinians, we can go 60% of Palestinian genetics show that they descend from Jews. You can find you can find publications. Hold up.

[00:15:45]You can find publications in nature.

[00:15:47]>> She looks Jewish. Okay? Like they totally look like they could be cousins.

[00:15:51]Let's not even argue that. That's clear.

[00:15:52]>> In the American Journal of Human Genetics, you can find the scientists like Nebul Hammer and Beh. I suggest everyone looks at it and you can see that 60% of Palestinians descent from Jews. And if you go to places like that, East Jerusalem, places that are ancient Jerusale are being treated. They are actively being caged in by the illegal settlers on that land have their doors.

[00:16:14]>> If you go to the majority of Kavon is controlled by the Palestinians, the minority of they under a military occupation that is illegal. It was supposed to be temporary, but it's been made permanent and then settlers are imposing.

[00:16:25]>> So it's not illegal because it hasn't ended, but it needs to end. That on that we're agreed upon. I don't want the IDF to be controlling of people that don't have a right to vote for that army.

[00:16:32]>> Wait, are are you saying that the settlements are illegal or not?

[00:16:35]>> No, I'm saying that Jewish villages are not settlements.

[00:16:37]>> They are. They are even referred to Daniela White. Danielle White even refers to herself as a settler.

[00:16:41]>> Source you other individuals who say bad things about our Palestinian [laughter] government.

[00:16:46]>> Just because some Jews try to empower themselves with the word settler doesn't actually define them as a settler. In the same way that if a Native American was establishing his home on ancient Native American land, you couldn't call him a settler because his connection to that land is ancient and continuous.

[00:17:02]>> It communications the US government in this is the stator.

[00:17:06]>> So let me answer you and them.

[00:17:07]Settlements are built by settlers.

[00:17:09]Settlers are foreigners. Jews come from Judea. We are not the foreign population.

[00:17:13]>> Boom. Mic drop. That's just a clear way to break it down. I mean, you can't argue with that. don't agree with an American who just returning. They're not just converting to Judaism.

[00:17:22]>> Some of them do.

[00:17:23]>> That again, that is such a fraction.

[00:17:25]That's like a 0.001% of Americans who are converting to Judaism going through years of a process joining into the nation of Israel and then moving here.

[00:17:34]It's a fraction. But she wants to focus on that rather than talk about the real issues. A very small percentage of them and have a indigenous population controls their culture in a different way. The way that Jewish indigenous civilization controls itself is if you go through this many year process of adopting an identity, a history, a culture, a value system, tradition, you are now part of the collective. It is not individuals that are indigenous. It is collectives.

[00:17:57]>> A collective identity that agree that they want to colonize illegally. We have to pause. We're out of time. Thank you.

[00:18:03]>> [snorts] >> Look, it wasn't that productive, but I do think Rudy educated a lot of people here. And hopefully this girl watches this back, realizes that her behavior was not trying to find truth and rather just jumping from topic to topic. And hopefully she does some reflection and her perspective starts to change slowly but surely.