In Indian state politics, leadership transitions often involve complex power-sharing arrangements and compromise formulas, where party high commands may require sitting chief ministers to resign in exchange for positions for their supporters, as demonstrated by Karnataka's Congress party replacing Chief Minister Siddaramaiah with Deputy Chief Minister DK Shivakumar while accommodating Siddaramaiah's son in the cabinet.
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Hello and welcome. Good evening, namaskar. You're joining us live here on the special edition of Super Six. I'm Axatan Gopal and as you can see behind me, I'm standing at the iconic Vidant Sa, the seat of power here in Karnataka.
Why am I here? Well, you've guessed it.
We've been covering it here on India today for the last 24 hours. The Game of Thrones reaching its climax in Karnataka. In the next 24 hours, Chief Minister Sidra Mayas all set to step down and that's our top focus here on Super 6. So the next 1 hour we'll have analysts we'll have our political panelists joining us to give you a sense of what they're making of the situation currently in Karnataka and the dikkesh of Kumar is finally poised to be the next chief minister of Karnataka. But that's not the only story we're talking about this evening. We'll also get you the latest of what's been happening in Keralum where early morning ED raids at former chief minister Pinerai Vijay's residence has sparked a huge huge political showdown from Keralum all the way to the national capital to Delhi where the left is up in arms crying political vendetta. It's also led to a number of CRP of officials being injured as ED officers were targeted while they were conducting those raids. So I'll get you a lowdown of exactly what's happened in Keralam Karnataka coming up. Keralum coming up. What are we missing out?
Tamil Nadu. Let me get you breaking news on Chief Minister Vijay in Delhi.
We've gotten you the first pictures of Chief Minister Vijay's meeting with Prime Minister Modi. And remember that the Chief Minister went in with a clear agenda. He's raised a number of issues.
And at this point we're getting you the inside track of really what's transpired in that 25-minute meeting that's taken place between Chief Minister Vijay and Prime Minister Modi. In that meeting uh Vijay raised the issue of the Tamil anthem being played after the national song after the national anthem. So in his petition in his request to Prime Minister Modi he said let the state song be played first and then the national song and then the national anthem.
Remember the norm is that when a governor a state governor attends an event it's set protocol that's come from the home ministry that the national song followed by the national anthem followed by the state song plays. Vijay wants that reversed. It's been one of the biggest political bones of contention since he's taken over as chief minister.
He's raised that issue as expected. He's raised Meatu as well urging for the Jal Shakti ministry to step in and ensure that Karnataka doesn't construct a dam on Meatu without consulting Tamadu. So those are two issues besides several others that Chief Minister Vijay has raised in his meeting with Prime Minister Modi. I'll bring in Pmote Madu for more details on that. Prammod give us the updates of what you've picked up on what transpired in that meeting between Prime Minister Modi and Chief Minister Vijay.
Well, it looks like the chief minister in his like almost 30 minutes meeting with the prime minister, he has raised four issues mainly. The first and foremost to start with the Tamil pride over here and that's the reason he has spoken about the Tamil anthem where he said like the recent home ministry circular has stated that the Vand matra must be sung first and but he has stated that like you know it should be the home ministry must be instructed by the prime minister to go ahead and allow the state anthems to be sung first. The second one is a scientific one where it's about the infrastructure development axa and this is about the DRDO's research about advanced medium combat aircrafts and cabs that is like airborne systems that kind of like studies has been happening since 1991 and he wants the prime minister to go ahead and allow the the you know infrastructure development in the state of Tamil Nadu establishment as well and the third one just discussed it's about the megaatu he very clearly says that bumi puja is against the supreme court's order and he also urged the prime minister to instruct the Jal Shaki.
>> I just interrupt you. My apologies promote. I'm going to come back to you so you can finish your point in just a bit. We've got Mr. Saran of the DNK joining us on this broadcast. Mr. Sarunan, this was an issue your party constantly raised about why in each of those events with the governor. We had the national song, national anthem followed by the state song. Now Chief Minister Vijay has raced it with the prime minister. Are you welcoming the fact that Chief Minister Vijay has taken your criticism and your contention and raised it with the prime minister?
See, we'll have to wait and see. It's not just the question of raising it to the prime minister. We'll have to see whether that will translate into action.
The actions of the governor is deliberate. She knows in the state of Tamil Nadu, Tamil national anthem is Tamil Tamil anthem is what that has to be played in the beginning. See if you look at the MHA order which says mandatory playing of one madam.
>> And what you expect an exception for Tamil Nadu first? to expect an exception for Tamil Nadu that only in Tamil Nadu state song will play first. There can't be different rules for different states sir first. Secondly, what can the state government do about it? They can appeal to the central government. That's about it. This is quite like the need problem which is that the state government can only promise do nothing beyond that.
>> I'm coming to that. See that's what I'm telling you. The MHA order does not specify that Mandai Madam should be sung first. It only mandates that Mandai Madam should be sung. It is the choice of the governor. The governor deliberately wants to play Madam first and push Tamit Anam to the last. The problem is with the governor's office.
So you are not standing up to the governor. You are not condemning the actions of the governor. But you are going and petitioning the prime minister. So we'll have to wait and see whether this translates into action.
>> Finally also Mr. Sar and your view on the fact that Mei Datu which is a big issue in Tamil Nadu has also been brought up uh by chief minister Vijay with the prime minister and there you know you've got Karnataka which is a congress rule state involved.
>> Yeah. Yeah. See Mega Tadu is very contentious issue the stand of the state of Tamil Nadu and when we were in power is that Megatadu dam cannot be built. It cannot be built there. So this uh whatever it is see probably the congress is in power in the state of Tamil Nadu they are in uh the government probably that has emboldened the government there in Karnataka the congress government in Karnataka to go ahead with the bumi puja they have no business they have no business to conduct bumi puja this is against the supreme court judgment this is against every agreement that we have signed with karnataka with regard to the kaviri water this is directly against the supreme court's judgment The TVK government should stand up.
Stand up to the Congress government there in Karnataka. When we were in power, this was not allowed. When we were in power, we ensured that there is no progress. Nothing proceeded in the Meditu project. But now tables are turned. So people of Tamil Nadu will not watch this quietly.
>> Okay. Mr. Salman and thank you for joining us here with your view on the fact that chief minister Vijay has raised a number of issues he's raised fisherman he's raised he's raised makeu and of course he's raised like I said the state song versus the national song which should be played first at governor events I'll bring in push mishra also for more details on this so push we've got details the memorandum that was submitted by chief minister Vijay any details you've been able to pick up on the PMO's response to the issues that the Tamil Nadu government that the chief minister has raised Well, the sources are telling us that PMO has received the memorial which was given by Vijay. As of now, they have not taken any any decision. It was a curious meet which happened between Vijay and PM Narendra Modi. And in that meeting a lot of issues have been discussed which includes MKatu issue which al also includes the playing of Wanda Matram song or the state song. At the same time the issues like fisherman issue these the the issue of center state relations all of these have been discussed but as of now a decision has not been taken by the prime minister's office most certainly yes there's no doubt that prime minister whenever he meets with the head of any state what he ensures that he listens to what the leader has to say and after going through the demands a decision is made by the prime minister so he will go through what vij has submitted because memorandum has a long list of demands which vijay has submitted to the prime minister's office after going through that memorandum itself a decision would be taken but yesterday it was a very important day in the politics of Tamil Nadu Vijay who has made his first >> it's going to take of course more meetings it's going to take more such updates and such meets for any headway really and you know can the central government really step in on an issue of saying state song should be played about the national song only in Tamil Nadu Well, we'll have to see if that actually happens, but Chief Minister Vijay has raised it nonetheless. So, we'll see what emerges. Remember 6:30 is when Chief Minister Vijay's meeting with Home Minister Amit Sha. So, we'll track that very very closely as well. Thanks, P.
Thanks for joining us with all of those details. Let's switch over now to what's happening in Karnataka.
Okay, let's get you the breaking update that's coming in right now. The Karnataka uh uh Game of Thrones has reached its climax. This is in fact the last leg of what we're seeing and that confirmation coming in for the first time as you've got a Karnataka minister confirming that Chief Minister Sidraaya will be resigning come tomorrow. He says it's going to happen after 300 p.m. that he's even taken an appointment with the governor. So this is the latest update and you've got a confirmation coming in right now that yes there is movement and the next 24 hours Sidra May has made up his mind he's going to be resigning.
Listen in first >> we went to CM house and we gathered nearly 40 MLS we are there just to courtesy we went there and we discuss so many things I think CM has maybe give his registration tomorrow after 3:00 he has taken already appointment with the governor also next high command will decide high command SJ is coming today night they will consult Sidra all the senior leaders and they will decide After after that uh who is the CM they they'll decide most probably DK going to be the chief get you all the latest updates that are coming in right now. Naga Junanat is with me on this broadcast. Naga confirmation coming in that the resignation is happening. No question of any lastm minute change really on that front.
>> Resignation will happen. We have got two confirm in fact three confirmation. one from the Lok Bavan, two from the Congress party and close associates of the chief minister. These are the legislators, senior legislators who have confirmed that the CM will not rebel. He will be tendering his resignation post lunch tomorrow by 3 p.m. You'll have it officially. We'll see the visual of the chief minister making his way through from his residence in Caviri and just 2 minutes away is the Lok Ban. He will be meeting Governor Tawar Chan Galot and giving his letter of resignation uh to Mr. governor himself at 3 p.m. and have a courtesy call and then come back post that the new development starts the chapter 2 of Karnataka Congress for the next 2 years.
>> So it has nothing to do with whether he's okay with the compromise formula or not. He's going to resign irrespective.
>> In fact, that's the high command decision that they have told him to resign immediately which means within 24 to 48 hours. So there's very uh less time to reconcile and renegotiate and have backdoor talks. And that's the reason why the chief minister is having such short time because they knew that the moment you give him this much of time there would be renegotiation pressure tactics all of it. They wanted him to resign immediately. So to send out a message that high command is strong and there's no muscle flexing time left. Chief minister will resign tomorrow post lunch.
>> Okay. Let me bring in Saga Raja also quickly on this broadcast for a word on the breaking that's just come in. What's also interesting Saga and you were highlighting this to me earlier which is that one of the last steps that Chief Minister Sidra Maya will take very very symbolically will be to accept uh the backward classes commission survey report and that's very important messaging by Sidraaya.
>> Absolutely. He want to send out a message to the people stating that when he entered politics when he became the chief minister he was a champion of backward class committee he was a champion of Ainda and even when he exit as a chief minister he want to retain the same identity stating that he worked for them and even on the last day of uh his working day as a chief minister he has accepted the report of backward class community. Why it is a checkmate for the new government? Because many Okalaga leaders, many Okala priests and Lingayat priests and leaders had opposed uh the initial report and thereafter the government ordered for a new survey to be done and this survey had completed but it was not been submitted. Now the commission has agreed and they have they asked they have submitted this evening to the chief minister. Now this particular report should be tabled in the cabinet and who who will be the new cabinet? the new chief minister who is going to take over. He will be the person who will who will take over this particular uh report which will be submitted by backward class committee.
We need to wait and watch whether a similar kind of opposition will come from the Okalika leadersh.
Just want to highlight that when chief minister Sidra Mayas Sagai entered here into the Vidan Sa very interesting images that came in contract employees who were in the Vidan Sa who work in the Vidan Sa broke down seeing Sidra Maya they all started getting very very emotional uh and that tells you really about a veteran leader the kind of support that he's enjoyed these are contract employees of Vidaman Sa who are used to seeing chief minister Sidraaya in action used to interacting with him getting very very emotional and so That's the footage on your screens as well. Shows you the kind of connect that he has and why it's been so h hard to really dethrone him as chief minister for the last many months as much as DK Shivumar tried. It's because of that support. It's because of that backing that right now you've got the Congress high command treading so carefully to ensure that whatever they offer him, whatever compromise formula it is, it's something that works for him. It's something that he's okay with. and his supporters very importantly also believe that it's a step up which is why they believe that it's ultimately Delhi he may be focused on the state but there's no bigger position than CM and that's something that they're already making him step down from so interesting to see what really plays out but those are the images on your screens right now let me get you a sense of all that's happened now in the last 24 hours Sidra Maya yes it's confirmed will be resigning come tomorrow but there's still a big question mark really on what will be the terms and conditions. What will he do next? He says he wants to focus on the state. The Congress high command says, "Look, we'll give you a Rajya Saba seat.
We'll ensure your son is accommodated in the cabinet in Karnataka." But so far, that stalemate continues. DK Shu Kumar surprisingly quiet in Delhi just waiting and watching to see what really happens.
Let's get you all the details in this report first.
After a six-hour closed door meeting at the Congress headquarters in Delhi on Tuesday, Karnataka Chief Minister Siddhraaya and Deputy Chief Minister DK Shivakumar stepped out with Party General Casey Venu Gopal to address the media. But their expression spoke louder than the statements. Even as the Congress insisted that there is no rift by night, the political narrative had already shifted into a full-blown thriller. Sources confirmed that Chief Minister Sidraaya has been asked to step down paving the way for DK Shiva Kumar to potentially take over as Chief Minister. When asked about the developments, Chief Minister Sidraaya chose not to clarify, leaving the outcome open to interpretation.
As part of a possible compromise formula, Sidra Maya son Yatindra is likely to be inducted in the cabinet in the new ministry. Meanwhile, the state congress is also expected to see a reshuffle with Satish Jarki emerging as a frontr runner for the party chief's post.
high command discussion.
However, the churn has also triggered resistance within the party with Sidra Maya's kuruba community demanding an ainda representation for the top post.
At the same time, close aids and loyal MLAs of the chief minister are urging him not to resign, asking him to reconsider any such move. The BJP seized the opportunity to target the Congress.
For Congress, power is a like a pawn where they can trade.
So they have traded this from the day one and the problem started in the roots of that and every day there was a discussion some MLA some office wearer some so it continued and ultimately culminated into the resignation of Sitraaya. It was coming.
Meanwhile DK Shivakumar is expected to return to Bengaluru for the crucial breakfast meeting with Sidra Maya on Thursday. Sources say the political script may reach a decisive turn after the breakfast meeting. If the transition happens peacefully, Sidraaya is expected to hand his resignation to the governor on Thursday itself. For now, Karnataka's political pot boiler is heading for a climax.
Bureau report India today.
>> Okay. So, a lot has happened in the last 24 hours, but the next 24 hours is crucial because you're going to see the last breakfast cabinet meet and I've said this before. If you've heard of the last supper in Karnataka, we're in the south. It's all about breakfast. So, it's the last breakfast cabinet meet that we'll see with Sidraaya right after which he will go ahead and summit his resignation. But let's get you all the details that we have right now of the six big scoops at 6 pm that we have for you. First is of course that Chief Minister Sudra Maya will be resigning tomorrow. There's still a bit of back and forth on exactly when but we understand post noon is when he sought an appointment. Also what we can tell you is that Sidraaya's son Yatindra Sidraaya who is an MLC could find a cabinet birth. That's one of the compromise formula that the Congress high command has spoken of which is besides Sidraaya in Delhi that his son will be accommodated in the cabinet.
Sidra Maya's aids interestingly and there was a huddle that took place at the official CM residence Kaviri earlier today where you had all of the MLA's ministers who are on his side coming together and urged him not to step down saying dig in your heels don't resign remain the chief minister but it looks like Sidra Mayos more or less made up his mind he said irrespective of what you think I've decided that what the high command says is my final order and so I will go ahead and step down but beyond that the biggest challenge perhaps for the congress is cast and ensuring that the ahindas don't feel sidelined at all. Already you have had demands coming in from the kuruba community saying we want a representative from the ainda grouping to be the next chief minister if not sudraaya and this is where it gets a little complicated for the congress which is why you will also see dhukumar take several steps to ensure accommodation in the cabinet. DK Shukumar will be attending tomorrow Sidraaya's breakfast meeting. He's catching an early morning 5:00 a.m.
flight to ensure he makes it in time for that breakfast meeting that will be happening at Sudraaya's residence. And finally, Congress chief, the Karnataka Congress chief who will be the KPCC chief considering that DK Shukumar will step aside from that position. We are hearing it could be Satish Jakiholi that he is the front runner right now. But we'll have to wait and see exactly which way it goes. You never really know with Karnataka politics who will ultimately get the prize. But let me open this up.
You've already of course met my colleague Naga Juno Kanat who's been getting you all the latest updates on what's really playing out. The front runner as far as Karnataka politics is concerned. 24 hours Naga resignation coming in. No twists no turns.
>> There will be no twist and turns.
Tomorrow afternoon uh chief minister will be making his way through to the local government and tendering his resignation. We have already got confirmation with uh two people, two legislators, senior legislators who are close associates of the chief minister come on record and say that chief minister is not going to backtrack on his decision. He's not going to renegotiate with the high command. So the party decision will be listened to and he would be going to lob at 3 p.m.
most likely is what we are told. Post lunch is the time that's told to look down also and uh he would be tendering his res resignation just a oneline resignation and then the further development starts that's calling off the new CLP resolution being passed in the CLP a new leader being elected and then signatures of all the 140 MLAs that letter has to be given to the Raj bhavan adulk bhavan and then the oath taking ceremony would happen so DK Shukma still has a long task cut out in front of himself it's not all done yet another 10 days or 7 days of hectic negotiation and reg negotiations will be happening.
>> My sense is that he's going to be in a hurry to take oath as chief minister with all of the drama that's been playing out. It's finally happening. So I don't think he's going to take any time whatsoever once the CP meet is complete. There's a possibility that by this weekend we will have the swearing ceremony. But let me open this up.
Joining me here right outside the beautiful Vidant Saud is Mr. JS Prashad of the BJP. Sir, every time I come to Bengaluru I meet you which is great also. Nice to have you with us sir namaskar.
>> Good evening. Thank you.
>> Good evening. Thank you so much. Uh we've got Mr. Sanju Shastri political analyst with us and we have Sahed Assad as Bengaluran as king joining us here on Super 6. Thank you all so much for taking the time out and joining us on the ground. Uh I'd like to begin with you Mr. Prashant. What do you make of all that's happening? Stability finally.
Last time around I remember when you joined us on a discussion you said what is with all of these you know back and forth take a decision. Why can't the Congress had come and take a decision?
They've taken it.
>> See Axita, they have taken it when in 2023 May when the Congress got the mandate of the people for governance and administration. What did Congress gave it to the people for 3 years? It was the greed and lust for power for 3 years which finally culminated in now the change of guard if at all it happens. So therefore for 3 years people have waited patiently for governance administration to even fill up portals. So therefore it doesn't matter to BJP as to who becomes the chief minister from the Congress but as citizens of Karnataka we are wanting to have that governance and administration and infrastructure which is crumbling to be stepped down. But you have to give it to them sir.
Irrespective of whatever fight was happening. Sidra Maya and DK Shukumar always came together. Whichever event they had to attend, they were together professionally. It was almost as if they said business as usual. Whatever our ambitions, we'll keep that aside. We will continue to work.
>> See actually if you remember uh Pimra running a minority government for 5 years without majority. It was more like Sidraaya running a coalition with RK Shukumar and it was not a congressled government. You had this factions even now it's playing out the same uh in the same fashion. So we are not sure whether Cam Sidraaya would let Dhukumaru uh ascend the throne and perform his duties because you don't know as to what Sidraaya wanted and why he is being forced down. One thing we know he wanted to break Devaj's record he was accommodated. The other thing probably Sidra had in his mind is to never let probably Dicki occupy the throne which probably he has failed now. So therefore you never know what's going to happen and we only hope that governance or administration which has taken a backseat for the last three years would at least find some mention in the last two years of Congress government because we are sure in 2028 it is going to be the BJP uh which is going to form the government and it will be BJPCM.
>> You don't think this governance has been crippled?
>> Absolutely not Jakita. I'd be happy to share with you Karnataka under Sedra as a chief minister is the second largest contributor of the GDP of the nation.
When it comes to GST collection, we are number two. We have outpaced the national growth by 6.2%. Agriculture has grown by 4%. And our GDP has grown by 7.4%. Our beautiful city of Bengaluru continues to be the startup capital of India and we are the Silicon Valley of the east. The fact that you know for a Sidra Maya who been one of the greatest movements of Karnataka, Ahinda movement leader, a leader of the backward classes, Dalids, SCST, all of that and a greatest kuruba leader. It is definitely going to be a setback if he has to take down his step.
>> So then why is he being made to do it?
>> But let me tell you like like DKumar G said a promise is a promise and a word is a word. Therefore high command coming in with the next generation leader. Mind you if it was not for a Sidraaya working and a DK Shukumar Congress would not come into power of 136 MLAs. And a DK Shukumar is undoubtedly the troubleshooter for the Congress party.
He was called by Raji as a rain maker because he made things happen in 2023 elections and a rain maker plays the most decisive most imperative role. The fact of the matter is I as a I as a Canada would definitely want to see my state shining and thriving under the Congress rule and my dear friend Prashant of the BJP his dreams to remain a dream even after 2 years. I definitely say like you said in fact I agree with you Satish Jar Kiholi is undoubtedly the frontr runner to be the next adhak of the Karnataka Pradesh Congress committee. The fact of the matter we in Karnataka would want to see the best of rule. The fact of the matter is undoubtedly there are challenges when it comes to infrastructure. There are other challenges that we see here in Bengaluru. But of course if the Congress is able to maintain a stable government, if Sidraaya Gi's faction is taken care of, if his son is made a cabinet minister, >> there are there are going to be because let us understand let me complete my friend I didn't interrupt you at all. My dear this number is statements of Abas.
Can I just if this happens if that happens which means THERE IS NO CERTAINTY at any answer that means >> my dear friend certainty things but it is uncertainty. Yeah. Yeah. Without interruption sir I did not interrupt you. The fact of the matter is Axita BJP has a fading memory. They have forgotten how Yadurapra was dethroned from the chief minister and a Basaraj Bumay was brought in. There are fractions between the BJP itself. We know the fights which are taking place between a Vijayendra or an Narashoke. There is a camp which is also BJP. BJP is at its weakest right now because the formidable force of a DK Shukumar the troubleshooter and a Sidra Maya is belligerent but it's also been handed over at a platter. Mr. Shastri uh your view also what's playing out? Can a DK Shukkumar be a Sidra Maya? Sidra Maya is a veteran leader, huge support base, huge popularity. DK Shukumar has his strengths. There's no doubt about it but not the same as Sidraaya.
>> Yeah, I think both leaders bring very different elements to the table. Um I think and that's one of the success one of the reasons for the success in the Congress of the Congress in 2023 was that the two leaders with their own strength Sidra Maya with the mass grassroots support DK Shukumar with his organizational capabilities got together. Um so you know uh tomorrow I do not you know uh even if once the hand of officially the hand of guard takes the passing of the baiton takes place uh I think DK Shukmar is going to bring in his own strengths uh uh you know he but at the same time moving towards 2028 um the Congress will need the the the support base that Sidraaya had built Yeah, >> that's a question as has the Ahinda grouping been sidelined abas as a result of all of this? Uh I would definitely say it's not so because uh Sidra maya you know as per what our sources tell us it was supposed to be a two and a half years and >> he wasn't okay with that. Come on then it would have happened in November.
>> You're right about that. Absolutely he wasn't okay with it. But why did the high command delay? Let us understand Keralum elections took place on Cherry of course Assam and other states. So therefore this was delayed due to this reason. Let us also understand that uh Keralm is easy for the high command but it's taken three years. We've been seeing you Axitan in India today you Rajep Nagarjun Singh Naka in Karnataka for the last 3 years and finally it took 3 years to really pacify this leaders.
Let me tell you what I hear is a large number of MLAs siding with the Sidraaya.
But if Sidraaya himself has accepted this decision and if it is going to lay out the red carpet tomorrow for DK Shukumar, I definitely want to know what has been offered to a Sidra Maya. What a little buddy told me was a lollipop like a Rajya Sabha. I think for a tall leader, a CM leader, Rajya Sabha is a no-go.
>> What do you do?
>> And a Siddhraaya is a grassroot leader.
>> This this is the problem. What I deputy chief minister just one point.
>> They want to make it a rehabilitation ground.
to dethrone Sidraaya. We are not bothered whether Sidraaya becomes CM or DKhukumar. But you can't say Sidraaya's son should be accommodated because Sidraaya is vacating his seat and then he goes to Delhi for what? It's not a rehabilitation center. So therefore this Congress adjustment politics to say that look Sidra will be accommodated here.
Why? If there was a deal done so be it.
We are not concerned about it. But I repeat the high command has also realized that 3 years has yielded nothing but misgovernance. So you're saying Sidraaya was a failure as a chief minister?
>> Definitely because you tell me the figures that Abbas was quoting doesn't need a Sidraaya anybody. Bangalore as such is growing independent of Sidraaya's policies because if you look at the loans that Sidraaya has made or the borrowings that Sidaya is a record in terms of the amount of borrowings by Sidraaya as the chief minister. So therefore he outpaces every other chief minister in the past. So therefore Abbas to say that Karnataka is growing. Yes Karnataka is growing, Bengaluru is growing. But to say that it is because of Yukumar or Sidraaya, it's probably insult to the intellectual capabilities of Bengalurians and Karnataka, you can't do that.
>> I will answer that. That's a very uh formidable point that my opponent has raised. Let me tell you Karnataka as a state undoubtedly India is a sovereign nation. It's a federal structure. But Karnataka as a state Axa there are debts there are no doubt. But the real question is Maharashtra is not under debt. Uttar Pradesh is not under debt.
Bihar is not under debt. I can list out a dozen BJP states which are also thriving in this debt but that's okay >> but the amount of capital expenditure which may wanted to spend visav what he's spending is at a dismal low he's not investing each other my friend he wants to toll out money for guarantees and not capital expend the fact the fact is Karnataka as a state is thriving and shining every fact statistics will answer >> but if everything is thriving what is the need to change the chief minister >> yes I will answer a big question that's a that's A very uh important question that you've asked the reason why the change of chief minister I will answer you why a DK shukumar was given a choice go to jail or come to BJP BJP tried Sam Dam dand 50 days this man was in jail this was the man who has come in jail does not mean my friend was in jail on corruption charges he was in jail on corruption charges Have you Abas is talking as he WAS IN JAIL AS NO >> HAVE YOU PROVED THE CHARGES?
NO. Doesn't it make sense? He was arrested on charis one of the politicians. One second. He's amassed illegal. Well, the cases are going on.
>> The cases are going on. He's on bail.
He's on bail. He's on fail like his leader Rahul Gandhi like his leader Gandhi okay let him ask let him ask my friend very honorably I did not interrupt you allow me just one minute to counter your points respectfully the fact of the matter let us let us look at the ED's conviction rate 2% it is used only against opposition leaders the fact of the matter DKar came back he became the president he became the president of KPCC >> my friend he is rattled this man is rattled just Because went to the prison came back as the president. Does it mean you remove someone who the state is thriving under? You saying he's given the welfare schemes, guarantee schemes, he's done all the development. Why remove the chief minister?
>> Just live images coming in right now of Sudra Maya. He is just leaving from the Vidan Saud. We just cut across live to No favor of him. Now just receiving after receiving the report the car census report he would be heading back but this report is quite important. Uh the timing is quite important. Remember together with the lingai who are the backbone of the NDA board bank they might be up to 25%.
>> Chanting right now I can hear slogans being raised by because of this. While going back people on the staircase of vidan sa asked you know saying sidraaya zindabad on the staircase of the vidan the states of the vidan sa and this past census report is quite crucial and important the 24 hours remaining as ccm he wants to send out a message that a hinda politics still exists he's still the mask leader for the 75% of OBC's dalits and the Muslims existing in Karnataka he wants to say that you are picking someone from within a 12% or 13% margin population while you're letting me go where I come and I support I get support of the remaining 75 that's the messaging that's there are my >> and it's a show of strength this is a power flex right now when you're seeing these kind of crowds gathered I'll bring in Mr. Shastri quickly on this as well Mr. Shastri uh this is the biggest challenge for the Congress high command that you know he's got the OBC card this is his calling card and the Congress high command will have to send out a message that whatever they've given him it's not a lollipop as Abbas puts it it's a proper you know position worth his stature worth his seniority >> yes I think that's going to be crucial as to how they deal with the fallout of this either ways if you hold on to Now that they decided there were going to be repercussions and I think one of the repercussions is going to be how are you going to deal with the fallout >> particularly amongst the OBC groups who may not be too happy with the decision taken by the high command >> but Mr. Shastri does Sidra represent only Kuruva community as a leader or does he have support from the Hidigas from the Maratas BJP seems to be having their vote bank. So is it enough good to say that Siddra is a large OBC leader or just a Kurbala leader?
>> Uh I think he represents at a broader level the Ainda politics point that we have been discussing and uh the reality is that despite the change of guard I 2028 Ainda politics is going to be a important factor in the Congress's calculations. Did you expect any protest to erupt in the sense when the decision was made did you think that there would be organic protest from the community members saying we need justice >> because it's not happening as we speak?
>> Uh I mean it uh there is going to be some unhappiness. Uh you know the fact of the matter is Sedaraya is a leader who has significant grassroot support.
So when a decision like this is taken there is bound to be some uh unease. I think the challenge now is going to be how do you deal with it? And I think that's where the uh crucial what's going to be crucial is uh you know where do you accommodate Sedaraya uh I think uh he would prefer I think the indications are he would prefer to stay in Karnataka rather than go to the center.
>> So let me just break down why and I'll come across to you gentlemen let me just break down right now why Sidraaya is unhappy right now. There are of course a couple of factors beyond just the compromise formula which is that he's always sent across a message of being extremely loyal to the high command.
He's not been rewarded for it. Instead, he's been told, "Listen to us. Step down as chief minister despite the loyalty that he shown to the high command where he said that if you ask me to resign, I'll resign." That's exactly what's happened. And so that's been something that's got him rather earthked saying that just because I'm loyal to you, it's almost as if the situation has been exploited. He's also of course got an issue with the fact that while you have had for the last many months this uh you know fight playing out between DK Shivkumar and Sidra Maya DK Shukumar has won ultimately this round let's be very clear he's gotten everything he's wanted whereas Sidra Maya now is figuring out what exactly should be the compromise formula so he's feeling after delivering a victory after the governance that he's delivered he's feeling used he's feeling sidelined as well and whatever formula that the Congress high command has come up with of a Rajya Sabha seat he simply feels it's not good enough and that's why there is an emotional of respect deficit that if he says I want to be in state politics the Congress high command is unable to figure out a way of how to ensure it so that's the issue that he feels that he sent across several feelers to the high command and he's angry that a lot of it has been essentially ignored the Gandhi have ignored what he's had to say which is that he wanted to complete a term and so that is what's got him rather upset. I want to bring this back to DK Shu Kumar and what we were discussing just before Wayne went into that breaking update and Abuzz you may say that you know going to Thihar jail he's withtood all of that it's a corruption case >> it is a corruption case but uh the point that I was raising to my friend of the BJP is >> which NA does not have cases against him is there a conviction order which yes indeed >> Sidra Maya >> yes >> right up until recently no that's right Axa you need to be fair he's interrupting ahead Wait your turn my friend. Wait your turn. Thank you.
The fact of the matter let us understand with DK Shivkumar there is no conviction order of the ED court or the high court or the Supreme Court. There are cases against hundreds of ministers across the our country. The fact of the matter is he was a student leader a grassroot leader of the Congress party a five-time MLA from the Kakpura and this man over the last 30 40 years has given his life to Karnataka. Let us also understand that Congress party in back in 2023 this decision was amicably taken between all of them. The Congress high command including Surjaala Casey Venugopal the Gandhis Mr. Sidra Maya and Mr. DK Shukumar they all agreed that it is going to be a two and a half two and a half years and all those room one point of concern when my friend mentions all the names they don't even for respect and courtesy mention Malik's name which means the Congress president is a persona non grata for Congress leaders and its supporters we know we know what he had to go through when he had been through Mr. chief minister had to wait outside through imagine the humiliation to go through and now EVEN A POLITICAL ANALYST AND EVEN A CONGRESS WORKER EVEN A POLITICAL ANALYST would not take out name Imagine he would BE CRYING EVEN A POLITICAL analyst would not take NAME >> OKAY WELL SPOTTED MR. Prashant all say is well spotted leaders >> well spotted no I I have to wrap this up I don't have much time so Naga final word to you because I'm hoping you won't outshout me but uh >> definitely not actually >> what's the timeline we're looking at >> uh in next 4 to 5 days is crucial for DKumar uh so he would be taking oath along with few senior ministers is what I'm told uh the stage is set for it >> are there going to be three four deputy chief ministers >> that formula is still being worked out wants to ensure that he accommodates his supporters and followers but DK Shukumar knows that he doesn't want going to have multiple power centers. So the negotiation is going on. The first step is the resignation that has to happen and post that the next steps developments would start and uh to in all fairness it's a generational shift in Karnataka politics. There's no more DVA in state assembly. There's no more reurapa in state assembly and this is the last socialist leader at least in textbook per in the definition. He's take Shukumar 64 >> 64 >> and by Indian politics standards that's a young politician >> min chief minister Sidra may 79 today >> so that's the reason why I'm saying not just that he he belongs to different ideology while he's he's a true socialist man he at times when you meet him you you genuinely feel the you know the connect that he has with people and the grassroot level that he's worked in he comes from the Msu district also so that's when I'm saying it's an end of an era for Karnataka politics noa no Sidaraya, no DIA in the state assembly >> and so you would believe that you know fitting his legacy there should be a position that he's happy with looking at what he served and how long he served for. Thank you very much gentlemen for joining us here. I'll hopefully have you with me tomorrow as well if we don't see already the climax getting over and this political thriller coming to an end. But thank you very much Sad Asa Abbas Mr. Shastri and Mr. Prashant for joining us today. What's interesting is that the Congress high command has taken a step on multiple fronts here. You know, we're looking at yes, a decision being taken in Karnataka, but it's interesting if you look at how the Congress high command has suddenly in the last few weeks decided to go all out and taking very swift important gamecher decisions.
Starting off with Tamil Nadu right after the mandate dumping the DMK joining hands with the TVK doing it in a matter of 24 hours when usually what you'd be used to hearing from the Congress is you know huddle after hardle months of deliberation till the opportunity is lost that didn't happen in Tamado they swooped right in of course uh at this point we'll have to see whether it was a win or not second Kerala again a conundrum that the Congress high command found themselves in there were a lot of questions of the delay 10 days and counting No decision taken but ultimately they chose the man that people wanted. It was difficult because there was Casey Vayu Gopal powerful influential close to the Gandhi but they took a decision based on what the public sentiment is and went with VD Satician and now you have Karnataka where they've decided and again this is a controversial move but one that many said was had to be taken but difficult to take. The Congress high command has bitten the bullet on that too and has made it very clear that yes uh they are telling Sidraaya to step down and giving DK Shu Kumar his fair chance at being the chief minister. So interesting developments that we've seen really is this a new Congress in the sense of how really they taking their decisions has Rahul Gandhi changed up his formula his strategy saying you know we're going to go ahead and take those risks take those hard decisions we'll wait and see but as of now in Karnataka much like a churn in Kerala much like a churn in Tamil Nadu in Karnataka too winds of change coming up I'm there's violence and chaos on the streets of Tiranapuram today as a result of ED officials conducting a raid at former Keralum Chief Minister Pineri Vijay's residence. So much so that ED officials right after the raid weren't allowed outside of Vijay's residence.
Huge crowds had gathered and while their vehicles were attacked, CRPF officials were injured. The latest update is that four CPIM workers were taken into custody by police in connection with the attack on ED officials. What we witnessed was unprecedented. It sparked protests in Delhi. But the fact that you had violence breaking out because of this ED raid has sent shock waves across the country and the Keralum police has now cracked down. Four CPIM workers have been taken into custody is the update we have for you because of their role in the attack on ED officials in the attack on CRPF officials as well. Unbelievable scenes that played out where the cars in which the ED officials came were vandalized were smashed their window the windshields were smashed by in fact the LD Fergus would gather there hundreds of them outside Vigan's residence right after the ED officials landed up there early this morning. They were conducting raids in connection with the CMRL corruption case in which Vigen's daughter finds herself in the dock.
Remember the Kerala High Court refused to quash the case and the ED probe yesterday which is what prompted the raids today and yet it's taken a an intense political turn with this kind of off drama. Shibi Mole is joining us from Thirvanatapuram with more details on this. So Shibi crackdown now underway against all of those who indulged in violence in Thirvanatapuram today.
Well, exactly the police have initiated action uh and uh the police have taken into custody. Four people, four four CPM workers and uh now there are eight more people to be taken into custody is what the police officers are saying. But the situation is not yet under control. Uh that's the main update that we want to give. We are outside the CPM office here, CPM area committee office and the workers and the police are still on two sides almost ready to have a clash because uh the police wanted to enter party office and uh you know take into custody the party workers but the party leaders and the party workers put out a barricade saying that we cannot uh you cannot enter. So now also the situation is not under control but the police have initiated action for people taken into custody. The home minister said that there was there was a constant >> tensions continue to simmer there in Kerala. We're going to continue tracking this but unfortunate turn of events uh and violent turn that's played out in Keralam. Shab we'll continue coming across to you for those updates. Thanks very much for joining
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