Pro-Palestine Girl Actually Listened to an Israeli

追加: 2026-05-14

[00:00:00]Another fascinating moment from the Jubilee debate where a pro Palestinian woman comes in and she's asking genuine questions to try to understand and Rudy is providing very nuanced, powerful answers that she's likely never heard before. But it doesn't take very long before the other participants in the group decide that they're not happy with what they're hearing. So, take a look.

[00:00:19]>> My next surrounded claim is that Jews are indigenous to the land of Israel.

[00:00:23]>> All right, if you would like to be the first debater, get to the seat in 3 2 1.

[00:00:31]What a run.

[00:00:32]>> Hi, it's nice to meet you.

[00:00:34]>> Likewise. How are you >> doing? Well, um yeah, so I'd like to know more about um why you believe that and where that comes from.

[00:00:40]>> Sure. So, when I make a claim about the Jewish people, it's never against another population. When I'm saying that the Jews are indigenous to the land of Israel, it's where we come from. If you dig in the land, you find our history.

[00:00:50]This is the land that our ancestors have come from. We've maintained a constant presence and thankfully we were able to come back to that land freely.

[00:00:56]>> Sure. Um would you identify yourself as a Zionist? So let's say that there are many different thought leaders that were involved in the modern political movement called Zionism. And that there are many different branches, the right-wing Zionism, leftwing Zionism, secular Zionism, religious Zionism, even Christian Zionism, which I'm completely against. But the fundamental idea of Zionism, which comes from the word Zion, which means Jerusalem, is the idea that the Jewish people should have a right to self-determine on their ancestral homeland of Judea/Israel. So do I believe that the Jews should have a right to come back home? Absolutely I do.

[00:01:22]>> Sure. Um, so I was also wondering why because this is a debate about pro Palestine versus pro-Israel. I was also wondering why you believe that indigenity plays a role in pro-Israel like actions.

[00:01:33]>> For sure. So to define indigenity first, if the United Nations actually defined it for what is widely accepted in academic spaces, which is that your identity is the pre-colonial identity that was born and rooted to a particular and specific piece of land that is essential to that people's identity and way of life. They've maintained a constant presence in that land and they collectively identify with this term.

[00:01:52]And the reason why it's so important to speak about this is because there are a lot of people who claim to be pro Palestinian who use Palestinian struggles in order to try to delegitimize my ancestral connection and my rights to live there. So, I'm for the right for other people to live there as well. But when people are trying to delegitimize who I am and the collective that belongs here as well, that's when I have a problem.

[00:02:10]>> We can see them starting to get their red flags ready in the background.

[00:02:12]They're like, "Oh no, he's speaking too much. She's not interrupting him. She's not cutting him off. I can't take it."

[00:02:17]Okay, so here's sort of where I'm coming from. From what I understand about indigenity, it is a concept just like intelligence, love, which means that it can be essentially defined by what it is, but not necessarily it's more difficult to define what it isn't. Um, my understanding of indigenity that it has relation against colonialism. Also, similarly, my understanding of Zionism is that especially through settler action, we know that it is a colonial project. So, it's very difficult for me to understand how you can be both indigenous and the colonizer. Mhm.

[00:02:43]>> Just a moment of giving this girl credit for genuinely coming in being open-minded, trying to learn and understand. She's not trying to get a gotcha moment. That attitude is not productive. So, she's coming in with a healthy mindset, and I appreciate that.

[00:02:55]>> So, I look at Zionism as an anti-colonial movement. A movement that the previous colonizers that were here were the British. Firstly, being the Romans that colonized the land, renamed it to Palestine and to kick out the majority of the Jewish people. Then we have the Byzantine Empire, we have the Caliphates, we have the Ottomans, and eventually we have the British. Does that have any say on the Jewish Palestinians who exist who are not afforded full citizenship? What happens to them? Because Palestinians are monolithinian are not receiving full citizenship. And I >> if you're a Palestinian then you don't have full citizenship in the state of Israel.

[00:03:22]>> Right. So we're talking about now the consequence >> their movement is so confused. They keep bringing up this idea of Palestinian Jew which historically existed before the state was reestablished but since 1948 there's basically been nobody who identifies as that. But they all kind of believe it and keep bringing it up. I don't know where they're getting it from, but clearly when he corrects them, they just kind of change the topic. They don't push back on it.

[00:03:44]>> Happened after the British were here and the way the British colonized.

[00:03:47]>> Do you think that >> Do you think that their citizenship is a direct uh action of the British?

[00:03:51]>> No, I think that the division of the land is a direct consequence of what the British did to our populations. Let me explain where that comes from.

[00:03:57]>> Okay, we have to pause there. You've been voted out by the majority. Please return to your >> Getting Good.

[00:04:01]>> It's so funny like he was actually making progress. He was actually breaking through her narrative, her world view. Everything that she had been taught about this conflict was slowly crumbling and the audience around it just couldn't handle it and they had to stop the show. But I'm here to continue the show and this information will get out there and it will bring about a better future. Peace.