Evil Man Crushes Officer With His Truck - Real Cop Reacts

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[00:00:15]>> What's going on, internet, and welcome to Only Cops. We have a body cam breakdown, which a bunch of people have been asking for. We've been doing this for years now on our live stream, but we decided to make this in a more compact format and with a little less scope for you guys. I don't pre-watch these so that we can give them a kind of a fair assessment on this. And although we're going to be doing a little bit of armchair quarterbacking, the goal is to better understand what that officer is going through. I have responded to almost every single one of these types of calls so I can do that from some perspective. Have a bachelor's degree in criminal justice, plus years of very real law enforcement actual experience doing on the street. Strap in. Let's go check out this video. Shout out to Midwest Safety for providing it. January 8th, 2024, officers in Trotwood, Ohio were dispatched to Voyager Village trailer park after a woman was deliberately run over by her father. As officers arrived, the suspect circled back, now armed with a rifle and a shotgun, and took off fleeing, drawing in >> uh so right off the rip, if we know from context that this was an aggravated assault, there's going to be technically like or technically like vehicular assault and there's a couple of different charges depending on the state. Uh here in Texas, it would just be aggravated assault. That means you assaulted somebody uh and you used a weapon to do it. Vehicles do count as weapons here. Uh you could potentially articulate this as an attempted murder.

[00:01:28]This is a pretty serious scene. Uh I'm pretty surprised that EMS made scene that early. Normally they don't. I know that's slowly changing uh postaldi and stuff like that. There's been some training that has gotten EMS on scene with a police escort. Uh but you as law enforcement, obviously there's some factf finding objectives you have. You want to try to get as much information as quickly as you can, but everybody else is going to be seen safely until we have a suspect in custody. This is a pretty serious felony.

[00:01:56]>> Dayton police and Montgomery County deputies for a pursuit that would change the lives of Ohio officers forever.

[00:02:01]>> There he is.

[00:02:03]Like he's got a long gun. He's got a long gun in the driver's seat.

[00:02:10]You guys be careful. He's got a long gun.

[00:02:14]Okay. So, we're initiating a pursuit on a felony charge. We're not going to let this guy go away. There's most jurisdictions. There's some exceptions, but most jurisdictions are obviously going to pursue uh the suspect. This guy's already proven that he's motivated to want to hurt other people. He's armed himself for the attempt. Uh there there's a couple of things to think about. Uh normally, we'd like to not get in the pursuit because that kind of poses the most risk to the public. Uh there's going to be some Tennessee v Garner considerations here where we can use lethal force to arrest somebody, right? Uh deescalation technique is anything that minimizes uh the risk of uh danger to the public and obviously to officers and everybody involved and sometimes that that means a bullet unfortunately. Uh here obviously having either a grappler system uh which would kind of suck because if you grapple this car, you're now tied to what you know is an armed person um or a pit maneuver gets him off the roadway and you at least get to pick uh where this gunfight may or may not happen. But uh the deadly force is definitely on the table pretty quickly in this one. Uh but there's not a good uh playbook for this. They don't we can't practice this um in academy. We can't practice this in inservice. This is all of these officers probably first time seeing this. Uh, and all the pursuits and all of these shootings in progress that I had. I was lucky enough that if they were in a car, we didn't find them till afterwards. But, but actually trying to chase him while he's in the car is a pretty rare set of circumstances. And there's not great solutions here to be honest.

[00:03:53]is not going to do.

[00:04:00]>> Let's get it.

[00:04:08]really.

[00:04:21]So, all these officers have done a pretty good job of clearing intersections, putting on safety equipment like seat belts and stuff like that. Uh, this is a dual truck, which means you have a kind of a robust rear axle. It's got extra tires on it. Uh, it's going to weigh a lot more than most patrol cars. It's also kind of a lower center of gravity because it's got a lot more weight uh towards the bottom of the vehicle. Uh so pitting this is going to be hard. It's also going to be kind of a missile uh of a vehicle. So that's going to be pretty sketchy. Uh this guy kind of thought wiser of trying to go head-on with the vehicle, which is smart. Uh people that have homicidal ideations will continue to have homicidal ideations, unfortunately.

[00:04:59]So trying to stay uh and keep yourself safe is obviously really important because you got to stay in the fight to do the apprehension. But if he's already starting to veer off into uh oncoming traffic, this is something we need to be articulating to command staff. If you find yourself in this because you're like, "Hey, I need permission to do more stuff to try to get this situation to end." Um because this guy is actively trying to hurt people. Uh it's going to make it an easier decision for command staff to either you're going to get some people that are going to decide to terminate this for whatever reason. Uh but uh and or escalate force. Uh this could be trying to shoot the guy's tires out. Sketchy as that is, uh, if you don't have any training on stuff like that, that's going to be kind of a mixed bag. Uh, I don't I don't like the idea of spike stripping this guy, uh, just because you're going to have to put an officer in front of the vehicle uh, to do that, which this guy we have seen people hit officers or attempt to hit officers doing that. I think trying to be really aggressive about pitting the car makes a lot of sense uh, just to try to slow down the speeds of how these some of these collisions are going to go. Uh but mostly it's just trying to avoid him uh starting to create secondary and tertiary victims in the public. He's already victimized the lady. We'll be very lucky if she makes it. Uh I I think command staff needs to hear what's going on and start authorizing stuff and or trust your officers to make that call on the ground. So uh but either way, communicating that on the radio so that everybody's in the know is important.

[00:06:32]Probably the white do.

[00:06:49]So, one of the things I'm not hearing also is uh radio traffic. I'm not going to act like my very first pursuit I was perfect at it. Uh that there there's it's complicated. You don't get into a ton of pursuits. You don't get a lot of reps doing this in the real world. Uh but in a pursuit, the reason why it's important to give the big things you want to make sure you're doing is direction of travel, speed, and road conditions, right? The direction of travel and location tells all the other responding officers how they need to get and like how the how to get involved and how to stay out of the way basically. Uh but also like it kind of gives a heads up to dispatch on where this is going to go, what other jurisdictions they might want to go um and spool up to maybe help with the pursuit. And then if you have stuff like air assets and whatnot, they need to know if they're driving away from that air asset or towards that air asset. Uh so a lot of that does help.

[00:07:37]You also might be able to help other officers to like shutting down on ramps.

[00:07:42]Um try to shut down intersections so we don't run into like a t-bone situation where if this guy's going like 90, they won't see them if they're supposed to normally be going 30. Especially if these are blind turns and stuff like that. Um that can be really helpful in scene management. I'm not hearing it. It doesn't mean it's not happening. I'm just not hearing it very often. So, trying to provide those uh real-time location updates uh is is incredibly important. If you're a dispatcher seeing this, you need to start asking for it if they're not providing it. Same thing with command staff. Uh and most of it's a safety issue. And then deciding how or where we want to start setting up resources to try to get this guy stopped. Um but again, um that that's going to be really contingent on your ability to communicate that green light. Green light.

[00:08:50]So, right here at the guys slowing down, uh, once you get speeds to be a reasonable speed, now the downside is there's a catch22. I'm not pit certified personally, but what I know about pits is that typically you're going to have to do it under a certain speed, unless you're Arkansas State Police. Power to them or power to them. But, uh, as a vehicle slows down, they're less likely to be immobilized by it. Turns this basically into a fender bender. Uh, and especially in a vehicle like this, trying to pit this is going to be really, really hard.

[00:09:18]But you can do what's considered a VCT.

[00:09:21]Uh VCT is where you uh it's like vehicle um vehicle containment tactics, I believe it's what the acronym is. They can put it on the screen for me. Uh but VCT tries to do everything you can to immobilize the vehicle and to pin that individual inside of the car. So, it's going to require one car getting right up on its back bumper, another car getting right up on its front bumper, basically sandwiching that car because you are trying to add more tires so it doesn't have the umpmph uh to break the friction coefficient to get the tires to to spool. And then you'll have a third vehicle come in typically and pin the driver side door. Uh and then once you've getting you've gotten that car to stop moving and you feel pretty good about that, maybe you can start doing tire deflation devices and all that. um then you start trying to get people out of your back stop and whatnot. That's kind of the only thing I could see here.

[00:10:10]But with a regular patrol car like a a Ford Explorer or even like um anything smaller than a Tahoe is really going to struggle against like a a work truck like this that's going to have way more torque and like you said way more tires touching the pavement. Uh that's a tough ask. Uh, but here we have an opportunity to get into those collisions at much slower speeds, which is safer both for the operator and for the suspect. Again, our job is not to kill people here in police departments. It is to take people into custody uh unless they don't give us much of a choice. So, there's something to consider here.

[00:10:54]>> He's about South on third puppy acting very rude in the cab. Looks like he's screaming at someone. He does have a long window.

[00:11:22]>> So obviously he's in a lot of distress. I think it's good to start giving some of those updates because you're trying to explain that to the officers that are responding. Um, something that's a bit more, I guess, disturbing here is we're allowing this guy to point guns at people. So, he has hurt somebody. We're under the belief that he has a rifle, right? And he is starting to point that at somebody. Now, we're basically rolling the dice to see whether or not he's actually going to take that gun from pointing uh to shooting, right? I I personally don't feel terribly comfortable with that from a tactic standpoint. If he's already actively pointing this gun at somebody else or at us, if he wasn't in the car, we'd be shooting this guy by now, right? Um I get it's more complicated because he is in a motor vehicle. But since we're just we're disseminating that information out to third parties, um maybe it's important uh to start looking at some more lethal force options or more creative ways to try to get this vehicle stopped. uh pitting it is is making a lot more sense, especially if we can get them at a slower speed. Uh but taking a shot at a moving vehicle, as much as it would be a violation of most places general orders. Um which general orders are just like um things they want you.

[00:12:35]It's like expectations. It's not necessarily what's required by law because in this instance, deadly force is going to be authorized as long as we can articulate that he's posing a reasonable fear of serious bodily injury. pointing a firearm at somebody creates a reasonable fear of serious bodily injury. Also, the erratic driving of the vehicle. Um, and the fact that he's already hurt somebody is all going to go into that equation uh under the totality of the circumstances. But, um, I I don't like letting this continue.

[00:13:03]Either you need to terminate because you clearly don't have the tools to get involved with it or pin the ears back and get after this car. Uh, cuz he's going to start hurting people if he hasn't done it yet. But there there's still not great solutions. So, I'm not trying to criticize command staff here or the officers involved. I'm assuming because at my agency, pit pit tip maneuvers were not authorized at the city that I worked with. So, if we were hitting a car with our car, something terrible has to happen. Um, that's probably the case here. But, you can have command staff develop some courage and kind of say, "Hey, get that car stopped in any way possible." And you can let them kind of read between the lines there, but that's not common amongst command staff.

[00:13:53]OH, COME ON, BABY. Come on.

[00:13:58]>> Random Celsius.

[00:14:03]>> Let's get it.

[00:14:08]>> Have a long gun.

[00:14:11]Never kidding.

[00:14:14]the west hand of the driver's window like a four white boy traffic.

[00:14:40]>> Got to move him around. Huh?

[00:14:45]>> I don't like stop sticks.

[00:14:47]>> Crews know that.

[00:14:49]>> So, these guys using stop sticks. As long as they're on the other side of the guard rail, maybe. I I just don't like the idea of getting in front of this car. He's got a gun that he's pointing at people. I I It's better than nothing.

[00:15:01]It's better than what we're currently doing, which is just watching. Um, and I admire the courage of the officers that are willing to go put themselves in harm's way. But from a command staff standpoint, if I was the sergeant or the watch commander here, I'm going to be like, I don't want any part of getting in front of this car unless we're getting it stopped. Um, or we have a pretty good barrier. This is a pretty decent barrier, but that's a pretty big truck. Um, physics still apply here.

[00:15:34]>> Oh, no.

[00:15:36]Here too, we got a crossfire situation. Let's say this gets kinetic right now, right?

[00:15:45]We have individual here popping spike strips, which cool on him. At least he's kind of behind some level of protection.

[00:15:53]But if this guy starts shooting at these guys, they really can't shoot back and nobody can shoot at him. So like isn't a great situation in my opinion.

[00:16:05]Oh, it worked.

[00:16:10]>> Good on them.

[00:16:12]>> Hey, good on them. That That was way more effective than I could have ever dreamed of it being. So, they they the gamble oneoff that they had it there.

[00:16:19]One of those had to have landed. That should slow the car down a bit. That's excellent work by them. But good good job on them. For real. For real.

[00:16:27]>> Got a shotgun and highowered rifle in the vehicle.

[00:16:37]here.

[00:16:44]>> He's right there.

[00:16:48]>> Hold on. I got you. I got you. You're good. Right. You're good.

[00:16:52]>> Good job clearing.

[00:16:56]>> Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop.

[00:16:58]>> Moving back to eastbound. Sorry.

[00:17:01]Westbound 35.

[00:17:03]>> Go, go, go in front of you.

[00:17:16]>> I'll be honest. If this guy just shot at officers, if the second you hear it and he's still in the vehicle, right, and this is kind of why giving information to command staff live is important. All of these officers know shooting in a moving vehicle is a big no no. like a huge no no. Like it just something in most agencies are not going to bless. But he just shot a gun at officers from a moving vehicle. That gun that he's still armed with effectively and we had an opportunity here. The officers on scene.

[00:17:45]Had we been giving and they gave the information out there, right? Command staff was listening to this. They could be like, "Hey, get that car stopped even if you have to use dead lethal force."

[00:17:53]I've had sergeants that had the leadership to understand that, hey, my guys are in danger here. Let me give them some reassurance that I'm going to take on some of this vicarious liability and say, "Hey, deadly force is authorized. Get that guy stopped." Um, these guys got guns. What's great too is as he's passing your back stop would have been this nice basically natural burm here which would have been you would have been real hardressed to sail it over this burm which is way taller than a car is. Uh and if you're skipping it off the pavement cuz you're terrible at shooting and most cops are just it is what it is. Um you're skipping it into a safe zone. So this would have been the time to go do it without risking back stop issues and all that stuff. But that opportunity has passed us because we're not thinking about stopping him, right?

[00:18:41]I I'm not saying it would have fixed the problem, but they had an opportunity to do it. But because nobody's stepping up to start authorizing these things, and normally under normal circumstances, that's not going to be kosher. So, like, I'm not upset that that's the case, but it is what it is.

[00:19:04]>> He's thinking about it. He's thinking about it. There is eastbound.

[00:19:12]>> So, we're talking about shot cadence here. I'm not saying this guy's not that guy, right? Again, we got a pretty decent if we know what's behind this wood line and and we're pretty safe shooting into it, that's fine. But, uh shot cadence is going to dictate um what's called sight confirmation. And shot cadence is how fast you're shooting. Am I seeing my sights well enough to know that not only one, I'm actually on the target. in this situation with where he's driving, you're actually gonna have to lead the target just a smidge. Not by much, but just a smidge uh to hope to actually get effective hits on target here. Um that's a lot to ask out of a out of shooting that fast. Just trying to hit a not moving target that's 20 yards away, which this is anywhere from 20 to 40 yards away. You'd be hardressed to hit a not moving target. Uh I'd like to see just a little bit more sight confirmation. That that's not a criticism. Shout out to this guy for putting it on himself to decide, hey, I'm willing to wear these rounds because this guy needs to be stopped. I'm not upset about him taking the shots. Just from a training scenario standpoint, we need to be teaching officers what's reasonable uh from a skill set standpoint. Can I take these shots that fast at that distance and guarantee hits? It's it's we owe it to the public, also to everybody else that's there um to at least try. But good on him. Good on him for doing precisely what I was saying. And he's like, "Hey, I'm here.

[00:20:34]I'm going to make a use of force decision for everybody." Good on him.

[00:20:42]>> Some of them hit.

[00:20:44]>> Shots fired.

[00:20:49]>> Shots fired. Stop fired.

[00:20:54]>> Shots fired.

[00:21:01]Okay. Westbound 35.

[00:21:03]>> That's helpful.

[00:21:05]>> Right here. Right here. Right here.

[00:21:12]>> 335. We're going to have to stick 35 left.

[00:21:17]>> I don't feel good about sticks.

[00:21:23]>> Look like flat tires on right side. Get six. Gun is down in the roadway. I don't want to be behind you because he's going.

[00:21:33]>> So, keep an eye on him. Get your hands ready.

[00:21:35]>> Yeah.

[00:21:36]>> When we get out, we're getting out ready.

[00:21:38]>> Okay.

[00:21:39]>> About 68. No traffic right now.

[00:21:42]Westbound 35 right.

[00:21:45]>> Good traffic. Great traffic. Um, just as a pet peeve thing, if you got you're using your portable, which your portable is the radio that's on you, uh, turn down your incar because you're going to get a really bad echo. That echo makes it very hard for people to listen. Uh you already got a lot of stuff going on.

[00:22:02]Uh just get in the habit of either turning down your portable radio so that it's not walking on your traffic uh or turning down your inc car if you're going to be using your portable. Uh ear priestess help a bit on that but not by much.

[00:22:17]>> Speed about 65. Looks like he's losing his iPad.

[00:22:26]>> He still has a shotgun >> now. He's making a business decision here on not pitting the vehicle that that's they're making that call on the grounds. They're going to have to wear it. I'm I'm not upset that they're not doing it. I personally feel more comfortable with the idea of if we're going to do anything to the car to pit it rather than trying to get in front of this thing and spike strip it. uh just because I'd rather the gunfight happen between us or we get to control where it happens rather than getting the public involved. Every intersection is a potential death trap. Uh intersections are almost universally where these uh pursuits get into car accidents and those car accidents hurt other people.

[00:23:01]Um but I still don't feel comfortable with trying to spike strip this car.

[00:23:08]>> Here he comes. Here he comes.

[00:23:12]You know, I didn't do that. 35 with a 33.

[00:23:17]>> Oh, no.

[00:23:20]>> No, DUDE.

[00:23:26]>> DUDE, >> what's your location?

[00:23:36]>> Go, go, go.

[00:23:40]Get back. Get back. GET BACK. GET BACK.

[00:23:51]I'M NOT GOING TO REALLY CRITICIZE A LOT OF WHAT'S GOING ON HERE. There's going to be some conversations about back stop and we could talk about shot cadence and sight confirmation and whatever. They they probably just watched a homie get dusted here. I I don't know because like I said, I haven't read it. Um, the the only thing you really can try to do is to not have an emotional response to what's going on. I know that is a very tall order to ask. I'm not going to act like I'm immune to having an emotional response when you see something pretty terrible happen in front of you, but um, as long as you're doing your due diligence and working within your limitations, it's fine. I would just like to start getting someone to work a head count to make sure we know where everybody's at. Because if this guy was in the car or there was an officer that was pinned in this car or whatever it is, I don't want to be sailing rounds into this unless I'm being very deliberate about making sure I'm only hitting the suspect and not hitting uh my officer here that's potentially involved in this.

[00:24:57]All right. Yeah, I again, there's an emotional concept to it. I get it there. It's going to be real hard to not have an emotional response to this. However, one-handed shots at 40 yards is good luck. I I I'm not going to say there's zero way that you make that shot. Some guys are good like that. I just know 99.99999% of people are not. Um, these are things we need to be talking about in training circles of making a shot realistic for yourself, right? Um, not saying this guy didn't earn deadly force. I mean, clearly he did, right? But if we're going to be utilizing deadly force, we need to be using kind of like driving code, right? There are no speed limits for you when you're driving code. You just have to use due regard. I think that's that still has to apply with the application of deadly force. Um, it's a tough situation, but and I don't know that unless somebody gets hurt, I'm not saying that any of this is going to be like a write up for anybody given the circumstances, but this is definitely going to be a conversation I'm going to be wanting to have as an agency about training guys to slow down and take makeable shots and maybe not take one-handed shots if we don't have to with a rifle. We can easily sling this thing. And if we're out of ammo or if our rifle is not working for some reason, sling it or just dump it on the ground and put both hands on this gun if you're going to be taking shots with it.

[00:26:30]>> Uh here's a in the exact same instance, here's an example of someone who's clearly at least getting a good sight picture and and taking trigger pulls, right? Um, so he's he's at least being cognizant of of applying marksmanship fundamentals is what this going to be called. My only criticism here is that we're not really online with guys in situations like this. Even if you're not shooting, just drawing your gun, you will create what's called tunnel vision, and it literally looks like looking through a straw. Um, so you're going to lose a lot of situational awareness in the left and to the right. If these guys decide to move up and you can't hear them because a lot of gunshots going on and and now you guys all have tonitis effectively and you're going to get auditory exclusion just due to stress. You're going to get more auditory exclusion because your ears are trying to protect themselves from all these loud bangs that are happening.

[00:27:22]They might say, "Hey, moving up." And you don't see or hear them. And because your hands are covering up part of your eyesight and your your weapon's doing it, they might walk straight into a line of fire and you hit them and you not know it. So, typically, if you're going to do this, good training should dictate that you try to get online with everybody else. I'm not saying all huddle up in one spot to make yourselves an easier target to get shot back at, but at least be in line. So, you're buying them the most amount of time to to walk in a direct line. So, even if they walked straight, takes them way longer to get in front of your sights versus if you're behind them, any amount of deviation left to right puts them in your line of fire, and that could be very, very dangerous.

[00:28:02]ONE MORE. HEY. HEY. BACK HIM UP. BACK HIM UP. GO. BACK UP. BACK UP. Back up.

[00:28:09]>> He's still moving. HE'S STILL MOVING.

[00:28:12]>> RADIO FIRED. Out the window. I can see the gun on the ground now.

[00:28:19]>> Okay.

[00:28:22]>> Okay.

[00:28:25]Uh, I'm not a huge fan of uh I I know it's really common because I see a lot of agencies doing it, but having your patrol rifle in a bag, I know it's policy for them. It's got to be policy because of why it's there, but it takes a long time to deploy that rifle. Uh, when it's in a bag like that, uh, car ready is like the industry standard or is the norm. Uh, you're going to do it with your shotgun, you're going to do that with your rifle, which all car ready means you're not going to have a round in the chamber. I have no problem with that. Uh, but the the gun being in a bag in the back of your vehicle that takes forever for you to get. If you need the thing, you need the thing, right? You're not always going to have time to deploy it like that. In this instance, you're going to have it. But from a policy standpoint, if you're going to be issuing rifles, you need to be issuing rifles in a manner in which they could be retrieved quickly.

[00:29:11]Especially when you talk about a hot scene, you can imagine like a shooting in progress, a call like this. the amount of time I lose having to go to the back of my patrol car, open it up, find the bag, unlock the bag. I've seen some policies where they even require that you have the magazine outside of the gun. I have to get the magazine in, insert the magazine, rack around in, like I've lost seconds, and those seconds, especially when you talk about securing the scene so we can provide uh ancillary medical assistance, right? Uh we're going to be doing TC eventually we can clear this uh at least warm if not secure for EMS who can do a lot more than we can or attack medic uh and then obviously trying to get them to the hospital. seconds oftent times matter uh in in that kind of intervention. If we're losing that getting our equipment, I I I find that unacceptable from a policy standpoint, but that's done by command staff. That that's not on these officers.

[00:30:06]I don't know if he's in it.

[00:30:14]>> Dude, hang on. I don't know.

[00:30:17]>> He's moving.

[00:30:18]>> I watch him throw the rifle out.

[00:30:21]>> We still got movement, guys. Hold off.

[00:30:23]>> Do we know if there's a trolley officer in there?

[00:30:27]>> Someone get us a shield over here.

[00:30:28]>> DOES ANYBODY HAVE A SHIELD?

[00:30:30]>> They have one over here. That's it.

[00:30:32]>> Let's go. Let's go. Hang on. They're moving. They're moving.

[00:30:36]They're moving. They're moving. Go, go, go, >> go, go, go, go.

[00:30:41]>> So, it's a multi-jurisdictional response, right? So, we have lawn, we have PD, and we have the sheriff's office that are responding. So, you're going to get a little bit of confusion.

[00:30:48]That's perfectly normal. Uh, training standards are typically going to be different. Uh, SOPs or standard operating procedures are going to be very different. Uh, theirmies sometimes are even a different um way. So, so you're not going to have a uniform response to that. I have no problem with it. But uh what we call incident command uh or making an arrest plan should become a little bit more standardized. I know here in Texas we are doing alert training so that like in an emergency situation like this we have some sort of like unified or uni like uniform response to stuff like that. uh if we all have the same expectation, we all have the same training, we all speak the same language, it's very easy to do an ad hoc uh law enforcement response, which means like, hey, it's whatever posies the posies that shows up. If it's six different agencies, it's fine because we can all revert back to that alert language. So, I do think there's some value to that. Uh but uh senior officers, supervisors, somebody, a representative from each party here or each agency should probably step up, organize that arrest plan so that we're not kind of making it up as we go.

[00:31:53]That's not a criticism here. This is a complicated and chaotic situation.

[00:31:58]But from a training standpoint, again, we're looking at this and trying to think of a takeaway that we can have.

[00:32:03]having an arrest plan in place or having the methodology in place that everyone's going to look for, hey, who's taking charge of this so that we can go and make a call, having your guys on scene that are saying, hey, I'm the most senior here. I'll take charge. Let's go ahead and approach this vehicle. They did it relatively quickly. For it being as kind of chaotic as the scene was, this wasn't a huge amount of time uh passing between the obviously the accident happening, the probably thousands of shots that got fired in that. That was a lot of shots. Um to them actually approaching the vehicle to make sure that there's not another officer here and to also just secure it.

[00:32:37]We have no idea if this guy's going to start shooting at people here or back at them. Let's take control of this scene.

[00:32:43]Um this is actually pretty commendable.

[00:32:47]>> Watch crossfire. Watch crossfire.

[00:32:52]Go ahead. Go ahead. Swing around the car.

[00:33:27]So kind of kind of more to my point on the like arrest plan portion of it. So since we didn't have much of one, right?

[00:33:34]And this is I don't know if this is two different jurisdictions or the same jurisdiction. There's a bunch of them that say police. Maybe they're different ones. I'm assuming they're different ones. Now we have like three or four different work groups doing very different things. Uh in a serious accident like this, from my limited medical expertise, we really don't want to move that officer, especially if we don't have a C-spine if we don't have to to prevent danger. I don't hate the idea of getting him off the X, right? If another gunfight happens here, uh we'd like to not have him involved in it. Uh kind of brings back my point of when we're sailing rounds at this guy that we want to be a little bit more diligent and uh doing what's called uh rescue marksmanship.

[00:34:14]Uh and all rescue marksmanship is is owning every single shot you take. Uh shot cadence and shot capability of both the weapon system and the end user is going to be an important consideration there. Uh, so flinging rounds that can very easily rip through panels in this truck and end up hitting this officer is a very real possibility. I wouldn't have felt comfortable with one hand shooting from 50 yards away with a pistol knowing that my back stop was a fellow officer, not to mention traffic, you know. Um, be a little more harsh now that I know that there was an officer that was physically attached to this vehicle. Um, that should be something that's definitely discussed. I'm not saying I'm throwing paperwork out for that as as command staff, but I'm definitely making mandatory retraining on that because that that to me from a tactic standpoint is pretty unacceptable. Um, it's a hard situation. Like I said, I I I feel for the officers that are involved here, but when you have all this happening, we it's going to be very hard to to quickly solve this problem. Now, do they want to just rip this guy out of this car and get him secured?

[00:35:16]Absolutely. But really, as of right now, this is the only officer that can do anything to affect that. Not saying this isn't effective lethal cover, but it's not great. Um, given the situation, uh, I don't know that there's an excellent situation or or solution outside of maybe him crawling into this cab and maybe getting this muzzle to be pointing down rather than straight through the glass. This glass is going to have some effect on the ballistics at 5.56. Um, won't be a ton, but it's going to be some, especially if you're using frangible ammunition.

[00:35:45]Uh but having one voice and and uh a unified plan is more important than necessarily surprising violence of action here because the guy's not resisting anymore. He's either incapacitated, injured, or whatever. Um or at least passively or actively resisting. So this is no longer a gunfight, at least not yet. It could go back to being one. But not having an arrest plan is really hurting them here now because it's everyone's giving different orders. Nobody really knows what's going on. It it it's showing.

[00:36:20]That's a bad shot. THAT'S A BAD DRIVER'S SIDE.

[00:36:25]>> This isn't great lethal cover. This isn't great lethal cover. This is okay.

[00:36:29]I'm not saying this can't be done here, right? But there's a lethal cover by volume doesn't make you more safe, if that makes any sense. I don't know that I'm not going to criticize any of these officers of having a negligent discharge. Uh, but if you had one, this would be a bad time.

[00:36:46]But we definitely don't want like muzzles pointing at each other.

[00:37:07]I'll be honest, I don't feel good about removing him from that without fire, without a c-pine or anything like that.

[00:37:13]I I understand what they're emotionally what they're going through. Um I had two different officers get injured while I was on duty, one from getting shot and the other one from getting shot at. Uh same thing like like vehicle accidents and stuff like that. Like I I understand the stress that's happening, but we need to fall to a certain level of training here and have like a hey, is this car on fire? No. Then stop trying to move him.

[00:37:34]Well, the scene is secure. Let's let fire show up and do that with a c-spine and try not to exacerbate any injuries this officer might have. Now, that being said, we did just have a peanut gallery worth of a shooting happen. So, maybe we're worried about him having secondary injuries from the shooting, not just the accident, or if he's got like major bleeding that's occurring. So, in that case, pull him out. He's going to bleed to death way faster than he is going to get paralyzed for the rest of his life.

[00:37:59]We would rather save him. Uh, but most of those evaluations could be made without extracting him from the car.

[00:38:44]GO CARLA. Pull up.

[00:38:51]Let's make a plan. Let's make a plan.

[00:38:54]So, part of this is going to be command staff. Somebody senior is going to have to make a decision and tell everybody shut up and everybody start moving out of the way. It's a lot of hands, a lot of people in the kitchen and not a lot of cooks is is kind of the discussion that we we've had about this. I'm not saying you can't help and I appreciate everybody's desire to want to help. I'm not saying I haven't showed up on a call like this a couple times, but again, training should kick in and say, "Hey, what's our plan?" Everybody should start asking, "What's our plan? Are we extraditing this guy right now?" So, if that's the case, dump everybody's stuff out of a car, get him in the back of a patrol car, and go, right? If we think that he's critical and he needs to get extradited now, we're going to beat the ambulance to the hospital easily.

[00:39:34]There's some considerations because we don't have a C-spine uh to protect him.

[00:39:38]He is We was in a pretty serious vehicular collision, right? So, there's definitely some injuries there. We also don't have any way of like checking vitals outside of I guess checking his his heart for a pulse or whatever. Um, we can't administer liquids. We can't give him blood. We can't give him any of that kind of stuff. So, um, unless you had somebody that had that medical expertise. Like I said, I feel weird about trying to provide aid to the guy.

[00:40:07]Um, but we need to start having a plan.

[00:40:09]Somebody's gonna have to start working the accident. Someone's going to have to start getting traffic out of the way.

[00:40:14]Someone's gonna have to start working the call, right? But a lot of officers here.

[00:40:29]This is that suspect's gun.

[00:40:39]>> Good job on somebody came up and was like, "Hey everybody, slow it down."

[00:40:42]Like, "We need to calm down." It precisely what a senior officer needs to be doing. That's a very good job of whomever that was that was on scene.

[00:40:48]It's like, "Hey, let's slow down. Let's develop a plan and then let's execute it. Let's not just be pulling ourselves into a thousand different directions."

[00:40:57]>> I know.

[00:40:59]Look at me.

[00:41:00]>> Look at me through your nose.

[00:41:02]>> Good job.

[00:41:09]>> The car back. I got you. Go. Go. Go. Hold up. Hold up. Hold up.

[00:41:29]>> All right.

[00:41:37]>> I GOT HIM. I GOT HIM.

[00:41:40]>> All right. Go.

[00:41:41]>> Open up.

[00:41:42]>> Uh, if he's ambulatory and able to move and stuff like that, I don't I don't hate the idea of of taking him, right?

[00:41:48]Ambulatory means that he's conscious and breathing, right? Uh, typically it also means you can move around a little bit.

[00:41:54]He didn't seem to be able to move around. They they moved him on his own.

[00:41:57]Uh again, no C-spine here, so kind of a big no no. I'm sure all the medical guys will go get mad in the comment section, but uh uh having some way to secure his head and neck would be ideal here, but >> Oh, yeah, bud.

[00:42:09]>> We doing all right?

[00:42:09]>> Yeah, we're good.

[00:42:10]>> We're doing all right. Arm hurts a little bit.

[00:42:12]>> Breathing, talking. That's good.

[00:42:19]>> Yeah. This is why it's good to tell everybody what's going on so nobody's standing out there. We don't have a secondary or tertiary injury out of this.

[00:42:30]>> We got you. We got you.

[00:42:32]>> Anything else hurt on you or now?

[00:42:34]>> That's my arm.

[00:42:35]>> Just your arm.

[00:42:35]>> Good on him.

[00:42:36]>> All right.

[00:42:38]>> I'm not seeing him.

[00:42:39]>> All right. You got tourniquet high.

[00:42:42]Anything else? Any better now?

[00:42:46]>> You guys GEAR UP. SWITCH OFF WITH HIM.

[00:42:54]The some of these rounds, these down here were on his way to that officer.

[00:42:59]Some of these don't inspire confidence from a marksmanship standpoint. I'm not saying I'd have done any better or worse, but you'd like to have taken better shots at that distance.

[00:43:24]We got shot, too.

[00:43:34]>> Good job.

[00:43:36]>> Yeah.

[00:43:38]>> So, if he's not remembering what's going on, you're you're looking at potential head trauma. Medical people, Dr. mic or whoever it is, go ahead and sound off in the comment section below on what fear you might have there. Obviously, you might have like a concussion, some sort of head trauma. But, uh, some of that information you might want to give to nurses, like, hey, what he was involved in or whatever. Normally, an ambulance is doing that for you. We don't have any subject matter experts on that. If you have a tac med, maybe that helps, but that's not going to be under our level of training.

[00:44:11]How long you been in trouble?

[00:44:13]>> 25.

[00:44:13]>> 25 years. Okay, let's get him in the car. My gun's in the car.

[00:44:21]>> Good seat.

[00:44:23]>> Start throwing a scene. Take >> good. That's a great supervisor. He's like, "Who shot? You shot. Sit in the car. Sit in the car." Cuz they don't need to be involved in the rest of this investigation. One from preserving the evidence of the investigation. They are theoretically all individually suspects in a shooting that they're later going to have to work. We don't want them contaminating that scene or preserving into the evidence of the scene. If there's a secondary investigation that has to happen, they should not be touching this at all. We have plenty of other officers here that didn't shoot guns. We need to have them work the scene.

[00:44:54]>> This is car. She wasn't in it. We're coming. He sees the two cars.

[00:45:06]>> Good job blocking my house. You got to go next or anything on your spouse's wife or anything like that. Get in your car. Okay.

[00:45:14]So, so there's a car chase, right? And I crashed into your car.

[00:45:30]>> Jeez.

[00:45:32]>> So, if they if they block traffic, I'm not saying you can't go 101. Uh, you just want to make sure you get there.

[00:45:40]Um, I'm not going to say I wouldn't drive fast in this situation. It's a freeway. You got no traffic in front of you because they've blocked traffic, you know, so there shouldn't be really anybody ahead of you. But, um, just make sure you're you're using due regard if you're driving. Okay. We drive code all the time, so we're some of the best drivers out there because we get to drive fast all the time for fun. Uh, typically ambulances, I think they can top out at like 80. Like they're not allowed to really drive that much faster. So, we can get you there faster, but we have to get them there.

[00:46:09]>> What was that?

[00:46:11]>> What happened?

[00:46:12]>> Yeah, I mean, you got >> Slow down. Slow down.

[00:46:17]>> Chill.

[00:46:18]>> They pulled you out.

[00:46:22]>> All right. I got you. I got you.

[00:46:25]>> Yeah, I'm good.

[00:46:29]>> Thank you.

[00:46:31]>> Did you witness it?

[00:46:32]>> Yeah.

[00:46:33]>> Okay. I'm going to >> Oh, good job. They're breaking down the scene and everything. I'm going to skip ahead a little bit to see if we can get some uh some stuff on the back of him actually going to the hospital.

[00:46:55]>> Good job blocking.

[00:46:55]>> All right, we got a turn coming up right now.

[00:47:02]>> All right, you're right. Take that next turn slower. There you go. We're good.

[00:47:06]We're good. We're good.

[00:47:12]>> Good job, dispatch. Somebody called ahead. So, good on them to have uh medical staff like prepared to take him in as a patient. These are where the heroes kind of come in. Good on them.

[00:47:22]>> The officer inside the Trotwood cruiser that was crushed in the collision, officer Michael Richardson, survived the impact.

[00:47:28]>> The crash left him with severe injuries and lasting psychological trauma.

[00:47:31]Richardson developed PTSD from the incident and ultimately never returned to duty. The suspect was identified as James Michael Scurvan would go on to survive the incident as well. He was shot multiple times, pulled from the wreckage and given CPR by officers until medics arrived and transported him to the hospital. Scurvven was charged with a long list of offenses including multiple counts of felony assault on these officers, aggregated messing, vehicular assault, failure to comply, discharging a firearm, your prohibited premises, improper handling of firearm, aggravated possession of drugs, and the original felonious assault and domestic violence charges for attacking his daughter. In April of 2025, a jury found him guilty on nearly every count. The judge imposed a sentence of 58 to 63 and a2 years in prison, ensuring he will spend >> Well, good on them. Um, it it was despite the screwiness of the back end of it, I mean, it was a good outcome uh in that nobody else really got hurt. Uh, the officer getting injured.

[00:48:16]Unfortunately, there's some reality of that of every time you put on the uniform. Um, that can happen unfortunately. It's complicated. Um, these these scenes are chaotic. Every you only have one radio channel to get on and everyone's trying to get on it.

[00:48:29]Um, it's kind of why it's important to practice this kind of stuff and develop training around emergency management.

[00:48:35]Um, there's some stuff we're kicking around. I'm going back to reserve to hopefully try to develop some training for this. We see this as a very common issue. Uh, but there's not great solutions to this. I I I think overall I get all the agencies uh honestly like an A+. I I think I would have liked to have seen a pit attempt. It probably prevents some of this. Potentially turns it into a shooting. Sometimes you zig, sometimes you zag. It could have been worse, right? They took the guy into custody, provided medical aid because they want to take the guy into custody. They don't want to kill anybody. They managed to do that, which was excellent. Um, and ultimately, uh, nobody nobody died as those as a result of what was done, and they minimize the amount of injury. Um, this is overall, I think, a good call on them. I think there are some discussions on the back end about marksmanship fundamentals and and the realistic capabilities of of the individual officer to make a shot.

[00:49:28]that could very easily be um amended through training. Uh there's probably some of that where the training staff's going to look at it and evaluate it and curtail some training for it. I thought the vehicle driving was excellent by most people. I I have my reservations about spike strips. Although it was a successful deployment here, did likely slow this pursuit down a little bit.

[00:49:47]Unfortunately, you can't stop crazy from being crazy. So, uh from a suspect standpoint, mega scumbag points. a guy beat up his daughter, almost almost killed her and almost killed this officer. Uh, but they did great. There's there's a lot of heroes on this. Uh, I would like to see definitely also some like arrest planning and some inner jurisdictional uh training to try to clean up some of that to make sure that doesn't happen in the Please like, comment, and subscribe. If you watching this on mobile, you can also hype the video. Uh, if you want more people to see it, comment in the comment section below anything that you saw that I might have missed. And if you would like to give suggestions for videos you'd like us to watch, go ahead and join our Discord. You could do it by becoming a member of our YouTube channel or a member of our Patreon group. And for as little as a dollar a month, you can get direct access to that Discord. And that is how we coate all of these videos. And then I have uh moderators that kind of go through that. I'm also wearing merch.

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